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Submitted by loki (View user info) at 2007-03-30 22:16:06 EDT
Unless you have been living under a rock, you know about the British service members who were accused of violating Iranian territorial water and taken into custody by the Iranian government. If you don't then I just don't know what to tell you Please don't tell me you have no idea what is going on because it would disturb me to hear that.
I've been following it with a growing sense of pessimistic foreboding. It's not just this one incident really, it's just that something about it is giving me a real 'sinking of the Lusitania' kind of vibe.
I've been trying to think through this logically. Making sense of things via set theory is the last bastion of ivory towerdom I retain from the comforting brick pillars of pure, unadulterated academic escapism.
There are exactly two possibilities: A or B where A ≠ B
Possibility A: The HMS Cornwall was in Iranian water and therefore the Iranians were justified in detaining the British service members.
Possibility B: The HMS Cornwall was not in Iranian water in which case either: 1. The Iranians thought they were at the time or 2: Knew they were not in Iranian water and took them anyway.
Assumption: That there is such a thing as internationally recognized Iranian territory defined in the usual sort of longitude and latitude military speak, denoted with a bright clear obvious line of contrasting color on maps that someone interested in that sort of thing would have readily available should he be so inclined to check.
But then perhaps none of that matters, what does matter is: Why did they do it?
1. Some overzealous commander went off grid and enforced the regulations to the letter because he thought it would bring honor and glory to the empire.
(was that a bit over the top?) moving on
2. They took them because fuck you we're not afraid of the powers of the west. We spit on the west. Death to America.
Say it with me, don't it just roll of the tongue, death to America. Oh hell what difference does it make British America death to the whole lot of 'em.
Isn't that quite the knicker twister, hey thanks for driving a wedge into a somewhat shaky relationship with the one country out there who continues to have friendly ties with the US.
I believe there was an incident some time back involving a supposed breach of Iranian water by the British. There was a considerable amount of public outcry over the Iranian government backing off. Are they trying to come off as badasses here?
If so then there are two ways to go:
They could gain the upper hand here by releasing them now and making a big show about how "they" are better than "we" are because they didn't mistreat them etc etc etc.
They could continue this little game of their until they manage to provoke the British into attacking and if there's anything we've learned from TV its that when your partner starts firing you start firing so Bishop captures Knight (E6) check.
3. They took them because they are irrational, fucking crazy, and just don't give a shit what happens. Maybe they think they really can win this thing. If that's true then there is no solution other than a military offensive. King to G6 checkmate.
In conclusion, I just don't know. It's just that watching this news story unfold gives me that eerie unsettled feeling that you get when you hear that music and know that there is danger lurking just under the surface.
In other news, I'm going digging for trilobites in the Utah desert this summer. I know my life is one action packed death defying thrill ride, but I don't care. I rather like fossils. Nothing says escapism like hiding out in the middle of the Utah desert cracking open limestone shale.
$20 we don't even break a sweat before someone starts in with Dune lines.
THE SPICE MUST FLOW
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Submitted by JohnGalt (user info) at 2007-04-04 12:30:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2007-03-30 22:35:37 EDT (#)
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I don't really even think it can be disputed that Iran didn't do this for anything other than a power move to prove they still can kick around the West like they've always done. I mean, even if the ship was in Iranian waters by a few hundred feet...would they storm the ships and then promote these soldiers on Television as a propaganda tool the way they have?
I don't think the UK has the guts to do anything about it and I believe 100% that the Iranians calculated with full accuracy that they could do this at will. And you know what? They can do it all day long.
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Iran will let these guys go on "their terms" and publicize this. Some kind of "guilty as charged" trial and a "amnesty" offering and release.
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I think Iran will put these guys through a quick trial, find them guilty, and then offer immediate amnesty and repatriation to the British. That's just a guess... I could be wrong.
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Stabkill FTW!
Submitted by FartSmeller (user info) at 2007-04-04 09:54:51 EDT (#)
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Old news, the GPS data proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that they were in Iraqi waters. This is just a play by ahmendinijad (spelling...) to show his power in front of the Iranian population, which generally hates the guy. Not to go with the cliche, but he is basically the hitler of our time.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-04-04 09:47:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2007-04-03 16:21:24 EDT (#)
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Relations between the west and Iran are about as bad as they can get without a war.
The Iranians know this won't cause a war, and know that relations can't get any worse anyway....so they're just doing this because
A) To stir up a nice patriotic feeling amongst the populace
B) To unite the populace with a common enemy (the west) by claiming that we actually did trespass into Iranian waters (there was an incident a couple of years back where we actually did go into Iranian waters (either by accident or not), the prisoners were released after about a week, the equipment and boats were kept)
C) Local Revolutionary Guard Commander did it just because he felt like pissing off the British, and the Iranian govt decided to go with the flow rather than have it seem like local commanders are out of control.
D) We really did trespass, and the HMS Cornwall is lying about the coordinates.
E) The craft we were searching at the time had something on board that the Iranians really sdidn't want us to see.....there's already been trouble recently about Official Iranian Army weaponry getting into the hands of the Iraqi.....what to call them.....not the terrorists....not the smugglers.....the 'we want the americans and British out of our country' people.
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I would guess A, B, and C as most likely with a chance of E.
D I have a problem with. I can't see the British Navy having their head that far up their ass, they would be watching where they are like a hawk. Of course there is the chance that they deliberately crossed into Iranian waters, but I don't think Blair is buddy buddy enough with Dubya to order his navy to cross over and escalate things.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2007-04-04 09:45:16 EDT (#)
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"History allows us to see the obvious--but unfortunately, not until its too late." - Prince Raphael Corrino
It looks like Iran is going to let them go. They probably thought they were American when they took them and then didn't know what to do with them once they had them. Of course they could have checked their teeth, that would have helped.
Submitted by TuTs (user info) at 2007-04-04 09:24:07 EDT (#)
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The writing of history is largely a process of diversion. Most historical accounts distract attention from the secret influences behind great events.- The Bashar Miles Teg.
ANother dune quote that seemed rather apt.
Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2007-04-04 02:49:10 EDT (#)
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"have long abandonned debate"...
here
Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2007-04-03 22:27:09 EDT (#)
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trilobites are for queers.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-03 18:05:42 EDT (#)
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You ignore me because you cannot answer me. I 'selected' my argument because those are the points on which you were most obviously weak."""
in what way were my points weak? you said that the iran reformists was only disinformation to make us believe that the situation is not hostile. then i told you that if that is lies, then why is it ignored in the US media? then you implied it is purposefully ignored for obvious reasons and called me a dumbass, not realizing that you had just validated the information you had just called erroneous. wtf, indeed?
then you go back to say that the composition of the iran government (moderates, reformists and hardliners) is not real info because i don't cite my sources (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_reformists) despite the fact that this has been common knowledge for more than a decade (and you say i ignore history). are those parties inventions and this political movivement inventions of the CIA? What are YOUR sources to prove that, hmmm?
So let's see...you say this information is wrong, then you validate it by implying the US media ignores it for obvious reasons, then you go back to saying it's wrong and that i should cite my sources even though you make baseless over the top claims and that i ignore historical context even though that political movement has been occuring way before this crisis.
Can you even follow youself?
I could go back and argue with you over the rest of it, but you'd just ignore me anyway, right? Either that, or you'd pick your own selective argument. You're a pussy. You don't want a real debate with me. I'll tear you a new asshole...one that your head might more easily come out of. """
Even when you carefully select tiny bits of ppl's comments, you can't even make sense and follow a steady train of thought. Why do you think people ignore you? Did you ever asked yourself why people have long abandonned debate with you and replaced it with mockery or are you too obsessed with the delusion that you're a modern martyr, a messiah fighting against the mass?
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2007-04-03 17:29:15 EDT (#)
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I wouldn't want to argue with ETS because I wouldn't be able to stay awake during his "rebuttal" time.
Listening to "full of shit-ness" does that to a sane person.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-04-03 16:40:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-03 02:38:22 EDT (#)
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that's some great selective arguing ETS.
back to ignoring you.
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You ignore me because you cannot answer me. I 'selected' my argument because those are the points on which you were most obviously weak. I could go back and argue with you over the rest of it, but you'd just ignore me anyway, right? Either that, or you'd pick your own selective argument.
You're a pussy. You don't want a real debate with me. I'll tear you a new asshole...one that your head might more easily come out of.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2007-04-03 16:21:24 EDT (#)
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Relations between the west and Iran are about as bad as they can get without a war.
The Iranians know this won't cause a war, and know that relations can't get any worse anyway....so they're just doing this because
A) To stir up a nice patriotic feeling amongst the populace
B) To unite the populace with a common enemy (the west) by claiming that we actually did trespass into Iranian waters (there was an incident a couple of years back where we actually did go into Iranian waters (either by accident or not), the prisoners were released after about a week, the equipment and boats were kept)
C) Local Revolutionary Guard Commander did it just because he felt like pissing off the British, and the Iranian govt decided to go with the flow rather than have it seem like local commanders are out of control.
D) We really did trespass, and the HMS Cornwall is lying about the coordinates.
E) The craft we were searching at the time had something on board that the Iranians really sdidn't want us to see.....there's already been trouble recently about Official Iranian Army weaponry getting into the hands of the Iraqi.....what to call them.....not the terrorists....not the smugglers.....the 'we want the americans and British out of our country' people.
Submitted by hot_pocket (user info) at 2007-04-03 12:56:48 EDT (#)
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ive seen this post a million times and i never make it past the first sentence and, i beleive, i have been living under a fuggin boulder
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-03 12:54:54 EDT (#)
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the 2nd can :P
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-03 12:54:24 EDT (#)
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can should be cannot
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-03 12:54:05 EDT (#)
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you can only create a stalemate with a king. checkmate is impossibe as you can check in the first place.
don't try to explain simple things to the simple-minded
Submitted by forthewin (user info) at 2007-04-03 12:46:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by loki (user info) at 2007-04-03 09:01:12 EDT (#)
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**You realize that moving the king can never result in checkmate, right?**
Never? Ever? What if say you had a game that went like this:
1w. e4
1b. e5
2w. Nf3
2b. Nc6
3w. d4
3b. exd4
4w. Bc4
4b. Bc5
5w. c3
5b. Nf6
6w. b4
6b. B6
7w. e5
7b. Ne4
8w. b5
8b. dxc3
9w. Qd5
9b. Bxf2+
10w. Ke2
I didn't say who won. Just that there was a checkmate.
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I still don't see how it's possible. You can't move a king into check, making it so checkmate can't occur on the turn a king moves.
Now, stalemates, yes. But that's not a checkmate.
If I'm somehow wrong, please inform me as to how that's possible via english and not a whole game of chess moves. Sadly, I don't have that good a memory, and if I'm wrong, I'd like to be put in my place.
Submitted by richardcranium (user info) at 2007-04-03 12:12:33 EDT (#)
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Submitted by loki (user info) at 2007-04-03 11:33:53 EDT (#)
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English what?
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Suck.
Submitted by wookie (user info) at 2007-04-03 11:49:24 EDT (#)
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On a completely unrelated note... Are you familiar with Art Loeb Trail? The trailhead is in Waynesville, south of Asheville.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2007-04-03 11:33:53 EDT (#)
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English what?
Submitted by richardcranium (user info) at 2007-04-03 09:59:56 EDT (#)
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English.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2007-04-03 09:01:12 EDT (#)
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**You realize that moving the king can never result in checkmate, right?**
Never? Ever? What if say you had a game that went like this:
1w. e4
1b. e5
2w. Nf3
2b. Nc6
3w. d4
3b. exd4
4w. Bc4
4b. Bc5
5w. c3
5b. Nf6
6w. b4
6b. B6
7w. e5
7b. Ne4
8w. b5
8b. dxc3
9w. Qd5
9b. Bxf2+
10w. Ke2
I didn't say who won. Just that there was a checkmate.
Submitted by orph (user info) at 2007-04-03 04:01:41 EDT (#)
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paul_anthony is a retaliatory -2 bombing faggot
Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2007-04-03 02:43:52 EDT (#)
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Find me a Piddock! I still don't believe they exist...
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-03 02:38:22 EDT (#)
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that's some great selective arguing ETS.
back to ignoring you.
sigh
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-04-03 02:19:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-02 22:35:38 EDT (#)
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"actually, that information seems vastly ignored by US media who approach this diplomatic showdown with war on their mind."
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...why do you think that is, Caul? Why would the U.S. media be doing this? Take a wild guess, dumbass.
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"that info is based on Iran observers and the fact that the iranian government is deeply divided between moderates and the current enraged fuckheads in power."
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Says who? What "observers"? Journalists? CIA operatives? Western diplomats? Give sources for this alleged information, because wen you don't and when the media itself doesn't, it just looks like propaganda. In fact, without citing specific instances to back up these claims or offering an open forum for rebuttal from an opposing viewpoint, one can only rightly conclude that he is being deliberately misled.
Here's how the situation looks from where I stand: we've built up our naval presence off the coast of Iran and now find ourselves in a dangerous political standoff. It also appears to me that this is just what a few people want who have been trying for the past 3 years to smear the country and government of Iran any way they possibly can. It also is pretty darned apparent to me why someone would do this; to put it bluntly, it has everything to do with what lies beneath their feet.
A simple look at the last 50 years of Iranian history should give you a clue, but of course, you don't see where history has anything to do with this. You're one of those who thinks that current events are the result of the localized events leading up to them and 'conspiracies', the kind that supplant entire governments for western gain, don't exist.
Submitted by greEn_uGly (user info) at 2007-04-03 00:17:10 EDT (#)
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i think the question that the media should be asking is what was found in the captured boat? was it spy stuff or just stuff for normal patrols. that would solve a lot of mysteries
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-02 22:56:19 EDT (#)
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i am drunk...BACK TO PLAYING CS!
HEADSHOT! :-D
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-02 22:55:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-04-02 21:16:22 EDT (#)
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Caul is not in the business of "shedding light", he's in the business of trying to discredit people based on mainstream assumptions spoon fed him by corporations and government entities."""
Not every media is owned by George Bush, the alleged anti-christ responsible for global warming and then some. Assumptions? Is the Iran government body, comprised of moderates and hardliners an assumption? ess tee eff yoo, my friend.
He will gladly pass along unverifiable information as "the REAL facts" and ridicule information that doesn't fit the mainstream accepted view."""
So is the fact that the earth is round unverifiable information? Why are you so willing to ignore a general concensus and just plain fact, if you look at iran political map, and accept over the top conspiracy theories? I have no problem with someone being worried with the increasing tensions in this particular issue. What I disilike is people jumping to ridiculous conclusions because they 're too lazy to look at the context at hand.
In short, he's trying to do whatever he can to make his world seem less hostile and more mundane in an effort to absolve himself of any responsibility, implicit or implied, of changing himself and his actions."""
No, the world IS very hostile. But all of that cannot be attributed to the US government and coorpations or whatever buzz word comes out of your fingers. You try to oversimplify problems by automatically throwing the blame on some evil government force instead of accepting the world for what it is, a complicated place with lots of confusing shades of gray. That my friend, is not being a responsible citizen. You might as well say it's the will of God if you're not gonna realize that you have it all figured out, like me or anyone else.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-02 22:35:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-04-02 21:12:16 EDT (#)
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CAUL: "Perhaps you didn't read that on your FoxNews report, but the government of Iran is under growing pressure from reformists within its own country and is getting more and more alienated with its current antics."
Pure assumption based on what western TV is trying to tell you...TV that is funded by the very people we should be questioning. You're so quick to believe them. Why?
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actually, that information seems vastly ignored by US media who approach this diplomatic showdown with war on their mind.
that info is based on Iran observers and the fact that the iranian government is deeply divided between moderates and the current enraged fuckheads in power. are these people, even iran, part of your US conspiracy attempting to frame Iran? the growth of reformists within iran is not disinformation that the illunati just pulled out of their ass to distract us from some kind of American set up to attack Iran, it's a phenonemon that's been getting media attention when I was in high school almost a decade ago.
you approach every single problem with in a paradigm of conspiracy, but unfortunately for you, the world is pretty boring and issues are mutli-facets so stop assuming everything can be blamed on some kind of high shadowy power like a religious tard in short of answers. yes, i like long sentences.
lest we forget: http://www.ubersite.com/m/98900#2318396
Submitted by forthewin (user info) at 2007-04-02 21:44:00 EDT (#)
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"King to G6 checkmate."
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I'm sorry, but this really bothered me.
You realize that moving the king can never result in checkmate, right?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-04-02 21:16:22 EDT (#)
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Caul is not in the business of "shedding light", he's in the business of trying to discredit people based on mainstream assumptions spoon fed him by corporations and government entities. He will gladly pass along unverifiable information as "the REAL facts" and ridicule information that doesn't fit the mainstream accepted view. In short, he's trying to do whatever he can to make his world seem less hostile and more mundane in an effort to absolve himself of any responsibility, implicit or implied, of changing himself and his actions.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-04-02 21:12:16 EDT (#)
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CAUL: "Perhaps you didn't read that on your FoxNews report, but the government of Iran is under growing pressure from reformists within its own country and is getting more and more alienated with its current antics."
Pure assumption based on what western TV is trying to tell you...TV that is funded by the very people we should be questioning. You're so quick to believe them. Why?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-02 21:12:00 EDT (#)
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SAS is the british Specail Air Service. probably the most well-known special force in popular culture, you ignorant fuckhead. i guess you thought it was rambo.
i gave you rebutals, but make sure you hide behind "i don't answer you because you're not worth it" everytime someone sheds light on your rampant idiocy.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2007-04-02 20:42:25 EDT (#)
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I read an interesting article today in MAXIM about how to eat hot broads boxes more succesfully.
It had nothing to do with this post, or with you and your pseudo-intellectual psycho-babble but I thought it was important to note, nonetheless.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2007-04-02 20:08:44 EDT (#)
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What is SAS?
Of course they are forcing them to confess. I think they're doing the right thing by doing whatever they need to do to survive at this point, but does anyone really believe this forced confession is how they really feel?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-02 18:45:19 EDT (#)
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i also read an interesting article today in the globe & mail.
the british are complaining that the US government and media are contributing to worsening a crisis they are trying to solve quietly and diplomatically.
apparently, Iran is splitted in factions that are so divided that they rule their own police. the hostages are probably held by moderates who see no gain in holding them any longer. it's also new years day in iran so information is coming back slowly while the US is forcing iran into a position it might not be able to back down from, says the british officials anyway.
but hey, let<s just panic and assume that everyone is fucking crazy.
Submitted by yhywstudios (user info) at 2007-04-02 18:41:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-02 15:45:28 EDT (#)
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maybe i don't give a shit if you respond or not to my prattle because i find your generalizations and outlook on the world beyond retarded.
it's just my opinion. and other's too.
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Pretty much sums it up
Submitted by Montucky (user info) at 2007-04-02 18:05:22 EDT (#)
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The Iranians are forcing them to confess. I believe this because it is not the job of low-ranking sailors to know where they are: that is why they have a captain and navigator
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-02 17:48:33 EDT (#)
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so let's add this post the big list of loki's wisdom bits.
"men hate me because i am strong woman"
"i'm not really mentally ill, i just have ADD but i will argue that it's a condition that justifies heavy drug use"
"smoking pot every night is no different than using drugs once or twice a year"
"bisexuals people are gay"
"women who like sex are slores. p.s. i'm a feminist"
"all muslims hate america"
"black people cannot be trusted"
and our new addition:
"iran must be bombed"
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-02 17:40:13 EDT (#)
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but if you want one exmample in this post of why i think you are a fucking idiot:
"They took them because they are irrational, fucking crazy, and just don't give a shit what happens. Maybe they think they really can win this thing. If that's true then there is no solution other than a military offensive. King to G6 checkmate."
Now that might makes sense to a retarded southerner like yourself, but the truth is, there are more than one solution to this than a military offensive. There are more factors to this than 'they are fucking crazy, we have to go to war!" (wow)
Perhaps you didn't read that on your FoxNews report, but the government of Iran is under growing pressure from reformists within its own country and is getting more and more alienated with its current antics. It's pretty much a question of time before the hard liners we see today get replace. I assume the US government is not completly retarded like yourself and knows that easily verifiable information and will keep exercising pressure on Iran to contain it and buy time because a. the US doesn't have the strength nor credibility to open a new, and much larger theater of war b. there are no significant actions that would justify escalating to full out war except mediatized muscle flexing like this that make morons like yourself think that the next step to a (possible) hostage crisis is wWIII c. it can be solved diplomatically, especially with the context within iran and that for once, the US and it's partners are on tune. The US has completly cut off ties and ignored that country for decades. It might not be abnormal that renewed talks with egomaniacs at both end of the table lead to some tensions.
now that's only a personal simplified GLIMPSE of this multidimensional problem, which i really don't have the pretention of fully understanding but i am pretty SURE it's more complicated than saying "THESE GUYS ARE LIKE, CRAZY, YO!? BRING ON DA BOMBS! LOL!!111eleventy1"
you have the right to find the situation worriesome and i know diplomacy is not as exciting and cool as war but crisis like these are usually detailed in fucking TOMES so take your little 10 years old commentary and shove it up your husky dogs' ass.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2007-04-02 17:18:37 EDT (#)
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3. They took them because they are irrational, fucking crazy, and just don't give a shit what happens
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They guys that took them are not regular Iranian navy, they were the Revolutionary Guards - that's the tip-off right there.
Where's the SAS when you need them?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-02 17:15:00 EDT (#)
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who says i was talking about my comments?
a number of arguments were thrown at you and you simply ignored them or posted n00bs' user info because that's the only thing you can do.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2007-04-02 17:12:17 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/100242#2366159
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-02 16:58:40 EDT (#)
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we've seen what happens when you're debated http://www.ubersite.com/m/100010 , you 'strong woman' you. that's just one example out of the hundreds of redneck posts we've all had the pleasure of -2ing.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2007-04-02 16:20:44 EDT (#)
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Good show, run and hide behind what "other" people think because you don't have the balls to take me on all by your little lone self. How cute, why don't you come back and play some other time like perhaps when you grow a pair, get some kind of backup for an actual debate, and decide to stop crying about what other people think.
"Other" have jumped off the Golden Gate bridge, maybe you should try that too.
jesus what a little pussy
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-02 15:45:28 EDT (#)
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maybe i don't give a shit if you respond or not to my prattle because i find your generalizations and outlook on the world beyond retarded.
it's just my opinion. and other's too.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2007-04-02 15:18:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-02 15:03:16 EDT (#)
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what a great analysis
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What a stunning rebuttal. Maybe you can bookmark this for later when you wonder why I don't bother reading or responding to your prattle.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-02 15:03:16 EDT (#)
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what a great analysis
Submitted by NoMeD (user info) at 2007-04-02 14:06:55 EDT (#)
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noOOOOOOOOOooooOOOO nukes you fuck. By the way this was news to me. I don't have television.
Submitted by Cyrus (user info) at 2007-04-02 13:20:25 EDT (#)
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Trilobites, the holy grail of fossil hunting. Found one once when I was a little nerdlet out rock hunting with my bros. That was 40 years ago and I'm still the king to this day.
Submitted by precision (user info) at 2007-04-02 13:10:33 EDT (#)
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I say nuke tha bastards and get it over with.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2007-04-02 12:29:50 EDT (#)
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My safety? I'm not worried about my personal safety. What I'm worried about here is the potential for this to escalate into that lovely world war that W has been wanting for so long.
Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-04-02 11:11:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2007-04-02 09:31:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Stagger_Lee (user info) at 2007-04-02 01:05:28 EDT (#)
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Apparently I live under a rock.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2007-04-02 08:22:57 EDT (#)
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Nostradamus predicted that the antichrist will come from Persia and he will wear a tan Members Only jacket.
Submitted by Stagger_Lee (user info) at 2007-04-02 01:05:28 EDT (#)
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Apparently I live under a rock.
Submitted by Fey (user info) at 2007-04-01 13:02:05 EDT (#)
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There's a comic I like. I'd link you the strip, but it's in a language (I assume) you don't understand (no insult, just fact). The general gist of it is, a guy and girl sitting at a bar. Guy tries to start a conversation, several times, in several different ways, and gets escalating versions of "shut up" from the girl. When the guy just won't quit, she turns to him and says "If you want to discuss current events in this day and age, you're going to have to pay for my therapy."
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2007-04-01 05:23:19 EDT (#)
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utter prat below
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-04-01 03:24:32 EDT (#)
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"In conclusion, I just don't know. It's just that watching this news story unfold gives me that eerie unsettled feeling that you get when you hear that music and know that there is danger lurking just under the surface."
Don't worry. Your government is in control and will save you from the demons. They will quell this "danger" that seeks to threaten your world. Just remember...WE are the good guys. Not them. And pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
Fucking morons, all of us. I'm sick of counting myself among the ranks of humanity. Lord, save me from this madness once and for all. Save me from myself! Please tell me my work here is done. Just let me back into the fold...into the dirt...where thoughts trouble noone.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-04-01 03:06:02 EDT (#)
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I warned you. Few of you listened. Fewer of you understood. Now sit back in your chairs and watch. Watch while the people, instilled with false fears and false outrage, demand to see the spectacle our producers have been dying to show us.
Fuck it. Let's end it. I'm ready.
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2007-03-31 23:45:09 EDT (#)
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Bang-on Loki. Fight those concrete-bound morons.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2007-03-31 22:24:43 EDT (#)
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Exactly what point have I ignored here sport?
As for who fucking cares, please tell me that you are not so stupid as to think that this is really just about those 15 individuals? There are bigger issues at play here, think of where this could lead.
Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2007-03-31 20:03:19 EDT (#)
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who fucking cares what happens? OMG! Their lives are in danger?
Well don't sign up for active duty, you fucking idiots. That's what happens.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2007-03-31 18:31:33 EDT (#)
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Shut the fuck up, for once.
Submitted by whiskey_jack (user info) at 2007-03-31 16:17:29 EDT (#)
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Hunters of Dune is literally in my lap right now.
Submitted by Still-Life (user info) at 2007-03-31 15:55:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by loki (user info) at 2007-03-31 13:40:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2007-03-31 10:38:09 EDT (#)
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You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
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HOLY SHIT I have never in my life seen such a more effective argument. It has everything, fully documented support, line by line rebuttal of the original assertion, and a conclusion that is so elegant and poetic that it makes me weep. I only wish I had used arguments like this back when I was in high school debate but alas our debate coach just never let us use the "oh yea" defense.
It could only perhaps be second to this as a rebuttal:
Submitted by yhywstudios (user info) at 2007-03-31 12:49:34 EDT (#)
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No Comment
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I feel so so very put in my place. How will I ever recover from this sort of virtual ass kicking.
The trilobite website is pretty sweet.
I'm a little afraid that we're going to get out there and find nothing, but maybe not.
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I like how you pick and choose your arguments, like the random passerby with a -2 to drop, yet you completely ignore anyone with a point.
And THEN you bitch about how you're arguing with morons.
lulz.
Submitted by jojo747 (user info) at 2007-03-31 15:07:55 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2007-03-31 14:47:55 EDT (#)
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I just went through the giantest mindfuck of all time. +2 for everybody on the front page whose name i recognize.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2007-03-31 13:40:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2007-03-31 10:38:09 EDT (#)
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You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
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HOLY SHIT I have never in my life seen such a more effective argument. It has everything, fully documented support, line by line rebuttal of the original assertion, and a conclusion that is so elegant and poetic that it makes me weep. I only wish I had used arguments like this back when I was in high school debate but alas our debate coach just never let us use the "oh yea" defense.
It could only perhaps be second to this as a rebuttal:
Submitted by yhywstudios (user info) at 2007-03-31 12:49:34 EDT (#)
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No Comment
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I feel so so very put in my place. How will I ever recover from this sort of virtual ass kicking.
The trilobite website is pretty sweet.
I'm a little afraid that we're going to get out there and find nothing, but maybe not.
Submitted by yhywstudios (user info) at 2007-03-31 12:49:34 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-03-31 12:35:19 EDT (#)
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Loki, in case you haven't seen this:
http://www.trilobites.info/Utah.htm
Submitted by ampersand (user info) at 2007-03-31 12:25:21 EDT (#)
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all that for the conclusion that you "just don't know"? Well then leave this stuff to the people who do know and take more pictures of your dogs.
Submitted by JMG114 (user info) at 2007-03-31 12:21:22 EDT (#)
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Lucky. I wish I could go fossil hunting in Iran.
Submitted by sicosemen (user info) at 2007-03-31 11:41:20 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2007-03-31 10:38:09 EDT (#)
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You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
Submitted by Snare (user info) at 2007-03-31 08:02:37 EDT (#)
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You fuckin' morons.
It's called a PRETEXT
Picture youself as a Blair, or a Bush. If you are embroiled in an outmoded, unpopular power structure that spans the Atlantic, with elections coming up in which you WILL get tossed out on your arse, and your paymasters firmly believe in destabalising the middle east as a path to personal power and riches, not to mention wars make the incumbants immensely popular, would you...
a) graciously accept defeat (fuck it, lets turn our backs on a lifetime of successfull political grasping and backstabbing and fucking people over because this time, it looks like the game is up. And those memoirs won't write themselves.)
b) spend your last few months in power ramming through domestic legislation that your paymasters want, I mean, that you deeply believe in (ohhh that's right, the common legislature houses are dominated by your factional rivals, your bills ain't going anywhere.)
c) manufacture a reason to kick off a war. (how we gonna do that? All we've got is these elite forces that the people respect and admire, not tarring them with our stained reputations, who will do ANYTHING WE SAY, regardless of how stupid it is, cos keeping their oath is part and parcel of what makes them great, and an enemy we've been pushing all over the political map, who re built on a fundamentalist support base who demand dirent responses to direct action...)
How do you think the commander of the boat felt, when his orders read "Incur into Iranian waters, patrol a five square mile area and await further instructions?
How do you think the ship's commander felt when he read his orders "Launch vessel as instructed. Await further instruction. Break radio silence if, and only if, enemy contact is made."
Like shit, is how
And the men still went and did their jobs.
And dragged us all step deeper into our eternal war.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2007-03-31 07:59:06 EDT (#)
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$20 says you all get eaten by graboids
Submitted by Barnymeinhoff (user info) at 2007-03-31 07:39:17 EDT (#)
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"Pluz 2 this post!"
"He's using the voice!"
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2007-03-31 03:58:27 EDT (#)
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nerd
Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2007-03-31 01:41:13 EDT (#)
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suck my trilobrite
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2007-03-31 01:12:44 EDT (#)
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roxanne, turn on the red light
Submitted by Fartman (user info) at 2007-03-31 00:18:25 EDT (#)
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+2 for the title.
-2 for oversimplifying a very complex effort to manipulate world opinion.
-2 more for the cutesy chess references.
Just shut it, will you?
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-03-30 23:39:18 EDT (#)
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(btst-dt SE Asia)
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Secret stuff, requires decoder ring...
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2007-03-30 23:36:43 EDT (#)
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i have no idea what is going on
Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2007-03-30 23:29:28 EDT (#)
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the frigate was in Iraqi waters but the inflatable, with the boarding party, was in Iranian waters
the British are lying
while 15 members of his crew were being taken prisoner,"nicky" had to call mommy (Whitehall) for instructions on what to do next
just the fact that he had to make that call tells me everthing i need to know about the situation even though i wasn't there
(btst-dt SE Asia)
no matter what the snakes say in Cobra, he should and will lose his command
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-03-30 22:47:33 EDT (#)
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Wait. You like fossils but you despise Shlongy? It does not compute...
Submitted by The_Drake (user info) at 2007-03-30 22:44:31 EDT (#)
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Auto Beatles +2
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2007-03-30 22:39:34 EDT (#)
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no good will come of it.
BTW, when in Utah, walk without rhythm so you won't attract the worms.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-03-30 22:38:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by greEn_uGly (user info) at 2007-03-30 22:28:00 EDT (#)
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by the way, the beatles suck
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Frogface, you don't know shit about music. The Beatles were the best EVER.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2007-03-30 22:35:37 EDT (#)
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I don't know where in Utah you are going, but you should check out the Dugway Geode beds for some nice rocks. It is a nerd thing, yeah... But so is fossil hunting! NERD! NERD!
Anyway, the waterway between Iraq & Iran was hotly contested and was part of the reason for the Iran/Iraq war.
I don't really even think it can be disputed that Iran didn't do this for anything other than a power move to prove they still can kick around the West like they've always done. I mean, even if the ship was in Iranian waters by a few hundred feet...would they storm the ships and then promote these soldiers on Television as a propaganda tool the way they have?
I don't think the UK has the guts to do anything about it and I believe 100% that the Iranians calculated with full accuracy that they could do this at will. And you know what? They can do it all day long.
If Jimmy Carter had balls, we wouldn't even be in the mess that we are today. Worst president ever.
Iran will let these guys go on "their terms" and publicize this. Some kind of "guilty as charged" trial and a "amnesty" offering and release.
Iran, like Iraq, continues to live under the illusion that their military is powerful and can defend the nation. Acts like this reinforce it. F-15's, F-16s, Stealth bombers, B52s, cruise missiles, Apaches, MK-6 little birds, and AC130 Spectres can remove this false belief real fast.
I don't think the act is enough to provoke war, but think about this "conspiracy theory". Iran grabs 16 soldiers and the price of oil rises to record highs. Who cashes in on this? The oil connection is certainly there in this situation.
I think Iran will put these guys through a quick trial, find them guilty, and then offer immediate amnesty and repatriation to the British. That's just a guess... I could be wrong.
Submitted by maiorano84 (user info) at 2007-03-30 22:29:26 EDT (#)
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$20 says it's you.
Submitted by greEn_uGly (user info) at 2007-03-30 22:28:00 EDT (#)
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by the way, the beatles suck
Submitted by Dolson (user info) at 2007-03-30 22:27:14 EDT (#)
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As Jon Stewart said yesterday: "Iran, what are you doing?"
Submitted by greEn_uGly (user info) at 2007-03-30 22:26:59 EDT (#)
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that's a pretty simplistic view of things,
what the fuck is the british battleship doing in the middle-east?
it's not to use in iraq,
it is used to threaten the iranians
to both sides, this is a game of positioning
and they both deserve what they get
Submitted by UberSavedMyLife (user info) at 2007-03-30 22:23:53 EDT (#)
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you put across a fair point, the one thing that makes me wonder, if the Iranians are really forcing the Brits to make the statements they have, then they are gonna run a hige risk in letting them go, lets face it, the British media are no pussy cats when it comes to pay outs, and those servicemen will be offered enough money at some point or another to sell their story, at which point the Iranians lose any good will they may have gained from the west for treating "enemy" troops well, so they're faced with option A) kill em and have done with it or B)let em go and further an increasingly rocky situation - in short a no win situation....it just all seems a little too cold war to me. I can't get my head round what's going on.
Submitted by moneyshotforyou (user info) at 2007-03-30 22:19:09 EDT (#)
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loki=auto+2