Face of VTech mass murderer Wayne Chiang, 24 (4691 hits)
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Submitted by Axolotl (View user info) at 2007-04-16 20:43:04 EDT
http://www.facebook.com/p/Wayne_Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis_Chiang/6202368
- His facebook. I'd add him to see his whole profile, but he's dead in disgrace, along with 33 others.
It's hard to comprehend such blind, unfocused rage. Even harder to understand is how he shot his R.A. and a girl in his dorm, and the school knew about it and did nothing for two hours, costing 31 other lives. Someone will lose their job over this, but it's never going to bring back their lives. It's funny, I'm reading a book about a school shooting, "Nineteen Minutes" by Jodi Picoult. I recommend it, despite the morbidity, it's interesting look into the mind of a school shooter.
The pictures of all his guns were added two days before he shot up his school.
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Submitted by Jester_and_Traxx (user info) at 2007-06-18 15:09:57 EDT (#)
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<b> JESTER: </b> It seems so annoying that the first thing everyone wants to do when something like this happens, is run around and find someone else to burn at the stake as being responsible for letting this happen. You have to make a choice alright, freedom or safety. You can't have both. If I take 100 people to a small island, and I build a giant metal housing unit and each person is outfitted with magnets and whatnot, and at every single second of every single day I can instantly lock them all down to the floor. They are in a 100% safe enviroment. I will be able to secure them at 1.0 seconds notice. However they have no freedom as they are living at my control.
Our society is the exact opposite. We have large amounts of freedom at risk. Thats just how it goes. People say we need tougher gun control laws and stupid crap like that. Will that really help? The gun control laws will always be inadequate ok? Because regardless of what they are, some kid can simply observe the formalities until he has a gun then go off and do his thing. Thats just how it is.
<I> TRAXX: </I> two (2) semi automatic pistols carrying 18 bullets each, and 33? total dead. Man that guy must have studied under FPS Doug or something. BOOM HEADSHOT, every single hit. He basically killed everything in 1 shot. GG.
Submitted by Rawrg (user info) at 2007-04-20 02:22:32 EDT (#)
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The reason they didn't lock the campus down was because they thought it was a murder with a singular focus. Perhaps a love triangle or one victim plus a witness. There was absolutely NO reason to believe it was going to be a maniac gunman hell bent on killing indiscriminately.
Submitted by Miss_Collins (user info) at 2007-04-19 19:31:38 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Zoidberg (user info) at 2007-04-17 20:41:15 EDT (#)
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again, *already* debunked long ago as not his
good job internet detectiving though
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-04-17 20:03:32 EDT (#)
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One day of lost classes is fine, two are OK, but three will be a loss to your education?
If two are fine but three will hurt, you're saying a difference of one day of education is more important than the lives of over 30 people? Jesus, apparently Pentameter is the only other reasonable soul on this site...
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-04-17 17:39:23 EDT (#)
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All I know is that the bastard CEO's at all the news organizations must be erect with joy over this tragedy.
I mean, they've milked the Anna Nicole Smith's paternity bullshit dry... there's no other REAL news left to report in the world right now, correct???
Submitted by hairycoo (user info) at 2007-04-17 17:14:04 EDT (#)
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you cunts deserve it. no offense like
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2007-04-17 15:42:20 EDT (#)
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It's ironic that this happened at a University, where nihlism and hedonism are usually the accepted philosophy. Connect the dots...
Submitted by lechuza (user info) at 2007-04-17 14:18:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-04-16 23:16:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by lechuza (user info) at 2007-04-16 23:10:35 EDT (#)
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I'm with darko on this one
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Why? To go against me? Are you so stupid that you want kids to die? What if they were YOUR kids?
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Can you explain me how is this about yourself? me being with Darko only means that I share his opinion.
Hell, there are killers and crazy people everywhere, lock yourself in your house and never again go out. If you want to live in fear do it, but you can't force other people to do it.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-04-17 12:58:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-17 12:32:38 EDT (#)
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I think safety is a priority but it isn't, as you said, the number one concern for schools. """
that's why it was so crucial to bomb iraq just in case...right?
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Schools bombed Iraq!>!>!>
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-17 12:32:38 EDT (#)
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I think safety is a priority but it isn't, as you said, the number one concern for schools. """
that's why it was so crucial to bomb iraq just in case...right?
woohoo contradiction!
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2007-04-17 12:14:33 EDT (#)
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Do we have his corpse on hand? Maybe we could slice off his ear and send it back to his family. You know, for old time's sake.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2007-04-17 12:07:08 EDT (#)
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GOOKS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE
Submitted by NoMeD (user info) at 2007-04-17 11:43:25 EDT (#)
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Thats alot of GUNS!
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-04-17 10:57:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-04-17 10:37:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2007-04-17 09:51:58 EDT (#)
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It's obvious that you didn't actually read what I wrote. I work at a college, I know about the size issue, the issue of people constantly coming and going, etc.
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When I compared it to a small city I wasn't refering to the logistical problems of locking it down, I was pointing out that you don't close a city after one shooting, especially when there is no indication of a "spree".
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-04-17 10:37:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2007-04-17 09:51:58 EDT (#)
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It's obvious that you didn't actually read what I wrote. I work at a college, I know about the size issue, the issue of people constantly coming and going, etc. V Tech didn't need to cancel classes, but they should have locked the campus down. If they locked the ENTIRE campus down, there would have been no students in a classroom for that guy to shoot. V Tech should have enough campus security to direct students who were arriving by car to await further instructions. An alarm should have been set off campus wide alerting students that there was an emergency.
I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS. If you're prepared it can work.
What if the guy had grenades, a rocket launcher, a tank, exploding dildos? Speculating is pointless. You lock your doors at night so that people don't come in your house and gank your shit, right? Locks are for protection. So you're saying that because someone can shoot a lock off, that we shouldn't have locks? That's idiotic.
Learning cannot take place in an unsafe environment. Feeling safe is a human need, and it must be met. Disorder and chaos don't really make it conducive for a person to ace their history exam. Safety is a priority at all learning insitutions, whether you believe it or not.
As much as I'd like to exploit your ignorance, in this case, I'm pretty fucking busy preparing for a bunch of meetings I have this week.
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"V Tech didn't need to cancel classes, but they should have locked the campus down." What is the difference here?
Lets pretend that they did lock the school down, what would keep the kid from coming back in a few hours after lockdown was lifted, or do you think they should shut down a college everytime there is a murder until the person is caught?
I didn't say they shouldn't have locks, I just think it is stupid to think that locks would have saved 30 lives. I think simple common sense would tell you that automatically barricading your door in an emergency is not the smartest thing to do.
I think safety is a priority but it isn't, as you said, the number one concern for schools.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2007-04-17 10:10:55 EDT (#)
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Pent, excuse the boy, he's out new football. I think his brain got damaged while we kicked him all over the park.
Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2007-04-17 10:01:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by snag (user info) at 2007-04-17 09:56:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2007-04-17 09:51:58 EDT (#)
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As much as I'd like to exploit your ignorance, in this case, I'm pretty fucking busy preparing for a bunch of meetings I have this week.
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evidently not too busy to create a longwinded retort on a superfluous website.
kazowie!!
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It's called multi-tasking, douchebag! And, if I were going to be in my office for the rest of the day, I would actually be able to respond!
WOW! Imagine that? Not being able to respond because you aren't at a computer.
Einstein, you are not.
Submitted by snag (user info) at 2007-04-17 09:56:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2007-04-17 09:51:58 EDT (#)
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As much as I'd like to exploit your ignorance, in this case, I'm pretty fucking busy preparing for a bunch of meetings I have this week.
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evidently not too busy to create a longwinded retort on a superfluous website.
kazowie!!
Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2007-04-17 09:51:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-04-17 09:31:55 EDT (#)
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I am confused, you say they don't need to shut down the entire campus, then you say they have to lockdown the whole thing because of one attack? A university is like a small city he cops had no way to know that there was going to be more shootings, and it is unreasonable to expect them to have guessed that.
Even if all the doors had locks how hard would it be for him to shoot through them? What if they barricaded the doors and the guy had started a fire? This guy brought chains, he planned ahead, you can't out think every maniac out there who gets his hands on a gun.
The number one priority of college is an education. If safety is th eonly concern then they should keep the kids locked in padded rooms 24/7.
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It's obvious that you didn't actually read what I wrote. I work at a college, I know about the size issue, the issue of people constantly coming and going, etc. V Tech didn't need to cancel classes, but they should have locked the campus down. If they locked the ENTIRE campus down, there would have been no students in a classroom for that guy to shoot. V Tech should have enough campus security to direct students who were arriving by car to await further instructions. An alarm should have been set off campus wide alerting students that there was an emergency.
I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS. If you're prepared it can work.
What if the guy had grenades, a rocket launcher, a tank, exploding dildos? Speculating is pointless. You lock your doors at night so that people don't come in your house and gank your shit, right? Locks are for protection. So you're saying that because someone can shoot a lock off, that we shouldn't have locks? That's idiotic.
Learning cannot take place in an unsafe environment. Feeling safe is a human need, and it must be met. Disorder and chaos don't really make it conducive for a person to ace their history exam. Safety is a priority at all learning insitutions, whether you believe it or not.
As much as I'd like to exploit your ignorance, in this case, I'm pretty fucking busy preparing for a bunch of meetings I have this week.
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2007-04-17 09:37:04 EDT (#)
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I blame the guidance counselors.
I know I wanted to go on a rampage after meeting with those incompetent fools when I was in school.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-04-17 09:31:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2007-04-17 09:09:41 EDT (#)
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I actually logged in just to throw in my 2 cents.
As a person who works on a college campus and who has been through training about this sort of thing, I can say that the administration at V Tech FAILED.
No, they didn't need to shut down the entire campus, but they should have been in lockdown from the second someone knew what was going on in the dorm. I read that the classroom where the shooter seemed to have concentrated his attack had NO LOCK on the FUCKING DOOR. So, if the entire campus had been placed on lockdown until the knew 100% what was going on, those 30 lives would have been spared. Even if students had been allowed to go to class, imagine that upon hearing gunshots, doors would have been able to be locked, and the students could have barricaded themselves in the room instead of sitting there, waiting to be shot like fish in a fucking barrel.
It was poor communication and planning that cost those 30 lives. Having been through a lockdown on my campus, I can tell you that within 2 minutes of the incident, we were grabbing kids from the hallways and taking them into our offices and LOCKING THE DOORS.
The fact of the matter is that even though students are adults, the college that they attend is still responsible for their safety, and they should regard that as their number one priority, and not anything else.
I sincerely hope that people's heads roll for this - I enjoyed how everyone immediately began covering their own fucking asses, but assuredly, the ax is going to fall somewhere, and whoever gets it deserves it.
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I am confused, you say they don't need to shut down the entire campus, then you say they have to lockdown the whole thing because of one attack? A university is like a small city he cops had no way to know that there was going to be more shootings, and it is unreasonable to expect them to have guessed that.
Even if all the doors had locks how hard would it be for him to shoot through them? What if they barricaded the doors and the guy had started a fire? This guy brought chains, he planned ahead, you can't out think every maniac out there who gets his hands on a gun.
The number one priority of college is an education. If safety is th eonly concern then they should keep the kids locked in padded rooms 24/7.
Submitted by snag (user info) at 2007-04-17 09:31:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2007-04-17 09:09:41 EDT (#)
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assuredly, the ax is going to fall somewhere, and whoever gets it deserves it.
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wow you sure have a lot of faith that we'll find the right person/persons to blame.
Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2007-04-17 09:09:41 EDT (#)
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I actually logged in just to throw in my 2 cents.
As a person who works on a college campus and who has been through training about this sort of thing, I can say that the administration at V Tech FAILED.
No, they didn't need to shut down the entire campus, but they should have been in lockdown from the second someone knew what was going on in the dorm. I read that the classroom where the shooter seemed to have concentrated his attack had NO LOCK on the FUCKING DOOR. So, if the entire campus had been placed on lockdown until the knew 100% what was going on, those 30 lives would have been spared. Even if students had been allowed to go to class, imagine that upon hearing gunshots, doors would have been able to be locked, and the students could have barricaded themselves in the room instead of sitting there, waiting to be shot like fish in a fucking barrel.
It was poor communication and planning that cost those 30 lives. Having been through a lockdown on my campus, I can tell you that within 2 minutes of the incident, we were grabbing kids from the hallways and taking them into our offices and LOCKING THE DOORS.
The fact of the matter is that even though students are adults, the college that they attend is still responsible for their safety, and they should regard that as their number one priority, and not anything else.
I sincerely hope that people's heads roll for this - I enjoyed how everyone immediately began covering their own fucking asses, but assuredly, the ax is going to fall somewhere, and whoever gets it deserves it.
Submitted by snag (user info) at 2007-04-17 08:31:07 EDT (#)
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Fake.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2007-04-17 07:56:49 EDT (#)
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LOOK OUT FOR CHARLIES UP IN THE TREES!
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2007-04-17 07:24:00 EDT (#)
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What is all this footage of a person being arrested?
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-04-17 03:56:36 EDT (#)
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For all the reviews...
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-17 02:07:11 EDT (#)
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I know he did last year, not sure if he had classes this year or not.
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2007-04-17 02:04:53 EDT (#)
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Also, I was sitting with my buddy talking about this today. He and his family were trying to get a hold of his second-cousin, who is a student at VaTech. My friend was the first to get through, and he let out a sigh of relief when he heard that his cousin was alright.
Then he shot up and said, "No." I put my ear up to the phone to listen.
His cousin was down the hall in a computer lab finishing up some homework he had due that day. He heard everything and it was by luck that the kid didn't start at his end of the hallway.
Bubba, this kid was there when it happened. He experienced this whole thing firsthand. Guess whose side he took in this stupid fucking argument after piecing together the story.
In a related note, doesn't Cyst Master go to Virginia Tech?
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2007-04-17 01:51:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-04-16 23:03:54 EDT (#)
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No one else was hurt in the instances you state. If the one in Virginia would have been handled properly, no one would have been hurt. But it wasn't. So kids were killed. SHUT IT DOWN FOR TWO OR THREE DAYS AND MAYBE NO ONE WILL BE HURT!!
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They had just shut down parts of the campus a couple times in the past couple weeks. For one day, it's no big deal to cancel classes. For two days, it's no big deal. Three days and you're starting to miss out on your education. The people in charge at VaTech can't just keep shutting the school down repeatedly.
This sort of thing happens. There's a homicide every weekend at Northern Illinois.
A girl was kidnapped from my friend's dorm at Illinois State two years ago and found dead two weeks later in a shack in Alabama.
I was down visiting my girlfriend at the time at Eastern Illinois when an Army officer cut through a screen window and raped and murdered a girl who lived directly across the backyard from my girlfriend's apartment.
A man living in some apartments two blocks down the street from my home answered a knock on his door and got shot in the face.
A kid I knew in high school's mom picked up a paper bag somebody had left by her car and got blown to smithereens.
These were all isolated incidents. Nothing was shut down because the police (some of whom I know very well) made a judgment call and deemed it unworthy of extra attention. This appeared to be exactly the same sort of thing. It's not just you who has experienced this shit, but if you look at the situation rationally and dispassionately you can see why the campus police at Virginia Tech didn't find it necessary to shut the campus down. Would you be all up at arms if this dude just found his girlfriend and the RA in the first place and then just tore the fuck up out of there, as he likely would have done?
Submitted by Amontillado (user info) at 2007-04-17 00:32:45 EDT (#)
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I was visiting a friend earlier in the year at GA Tech when shots were fired elsewhere on campus. Everyone I saw knew about it within the next fifteen minutes. Did someone actually make the effort to keep everything quiet in this instance?
Submitted by manic_impressive (user info) at 2007-04-17 00:21:06 EDT (#)
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Have to say im with Darko. You cant close universities every time there's a murder. Situations like today are enough of the exception that its just not feasible, or reasonable.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-17 00:10:15 EDT (#)
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Yeah, bunch of brilliant people left death threats to a guy they thought was dead and guilty.
Submitted by Amontillado (user info) at 2007-04-17 00:06:07 EDT (#)
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So wait, he recieved death threats even though the shooter killed himself already?
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 23:54:58 EDT (#)
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16 April 2007 @ 10:29 pm
Coming out. I am not the shooter. Through this experience, I have received numerous death threats, slanderous accusations, and my phone is out of charge from the barrage of calls. Local police have been notified of the situation.
My original intention was to wait until I got AdSense on my site and donating all the proceeds to Charity. However, this situation has now spiraled out of control. I am now confirming that I am not the shooter. I will be available for interview by a news agency to clear my name, talk about the experience, and give my opinion on how the situation could have turned out better if other students were allowed to be armed. I will only speak with individuals who are interested in donating to charities resulting from today's events. Please e-mail all correspondence to null.at.vt.edu
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-04-16 23:16:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by lechuza (user info) at 2007-04-16 23:10:35 EDT (#)
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I'm with darko on this one
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Why? To go against me? Are you so stupid that you want kids to die? What if they were YOUR kids?
Submitted by lechuza (user info) at 2007-04-16 23:15:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2007-04-16 23:01:43 EDT (#)
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THE SHOOTER HAD AIMBOT, PLS IP BAN
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA you are so going to hell
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-04-16 23:12:51 EDT (#)
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You folks watching the news?? They just said they are shutting down the Virginia campus tomorrow.
A LITTLE LATE, DON'T YOU FUCKING THINK???
My God, you people and the cops are so FUCKING STUPID!!!
Submitted by lechuza (user info) at 2007-04-16 23:10:35 EDT (#)
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I'm with darko on this one
Submitted by madddonkey255 (user info) at 2007-04-16 23:08:24 EDT (#)
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We're not just talking educational process, we're talking hundreds of thousands or more of your tax dollars funding research, not to mention maintenance departments and all that. Most college campuses are small cities, you can't just shut them down.
And yes I am on allmsu but I think I've posted about twice in my 3 years, use it more for capa.
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-04-16 23:04:37 EDT (#)
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I just want to know how he was able to hit over 50 people before the cops got to him...dont they have university police with guns too?
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-04-16 23:03:54 EDT (#)
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No one else was hurt in the instances you state. If the one in Virginia would have been handled properly, no one would have been hurt. But it wasn't. So kids were killed. SHUT IT DOWN FOR TWO OR THREE DAYS AND MAYBE NO ONE WILL BE HURT!!
Does it hurt your educational progress if they shut it down for a few days? No?
Then STFU!!!
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2007-04-16 23:01:43 EDT (#)
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THE SHOOTER HAD AIMBOT, PLS IP BAN
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 22:56:46 EDT (#)
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you on allmsu madddonkey?
Submitted by madddonkey255 (user info) at 2007-04-16 22:45:00 EDT (#)
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I agree with darko on this completely. I go to MSU(same as his) and my freshman year there was a drive by shooting in front of the building next to mine, they didn't close campus, no one else was hurt.
The next year was the gasoline incident, they didn't close campus, no one else was hurt.
Late last year there was a woman murdered in a hotel next to my apartment building, they didn't close my building down or even the street by the hotel, no one else was hurt.
Earlier this month a woman was murdered in the apartment complex next to my brother's apartment, they didn't close that down, no one else was hurt.
You can't just say that you should close down campus because of an what was rightly thought of as an isolated incident. You say that they should've closed campus because of this but people have been murdered on campuses before and this is one of the few incidents like this. Now you could argue that none of them would've happened if the police were good at their jobs or something lame like that but you might as well say that cops should have ESP.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-04-16 22:23:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 22:20:51 EDT (#)
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Bubba, this is tiring. How about next time I get to play the role of ets, and you try to be the reasonable one?
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It's already that way, kid. Can't you see that. YOU ARE WRONG OR AN ASSHOLE!
<you make the choice>
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 22:20:51 EDT (#)
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Bubba, this is tiring. How about next time I get to play the role of ets, and you try to be the reasonable one?
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-04-16 22:16:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 22:04:42 EDT (#)
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What am I trying to change? You state that you don't think people 23 years or under should be allowed to make life choices, because they are incapable of making good life choices. Now if you don't think that any of those actions require someone capable of making a good life choice to make it, then I will take those back.
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There you go again, Darky, trying to put words into my mouth. I said college kids just HAPPEN to be aged about 18 to 23, and most of them are fucking idiots. (run that one through your misconstruing machine).
Age has nothing to do with it, Darko. All I said was that the cops FUCKED UP and should have shut the place down so the kids didn't have to die. Argue with that and you are a moron...
Submitted by Zebra (user info) at 2007-04-16 22:12:05 EDT (#)
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I hope you got your facts straight before you posted this guy's picture.
It seems a little convenient some Asian guy is pictured with a bunch of guns.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 22:11:51 EDT (#)
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It's not real, but it's being passed around a lot as if it were. The guy decided to stop doing anything to DEBONK! the rumor and is letting people run with it.
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-04-16 22:08:49 EDT (#)
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...i remember that method found this...is this for real or just a play of method's find?
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-04-16 22:05:54 EDT (#)
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GODDAMN YOU, AXOLOTL, You started this shit and left me to carry on.
"Carry on, My Wayward Old Coot, "
Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2007-04-16 22:05:01 EDT (#)
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From my cold dead hands?
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 22:04:42 EDT (#)
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What am I trying to change? You state that you don't think people 23 years or under should be allowed to make life choices, because they are incapable of making good life choices. Now if you don't think that any of those actions require someone capable of making a good life choice to make it, then I will take those back.
Submitted by I_love_Kracka (user info) at 2007-04-16 22:03:08 EDT (#)
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just finished 19 min. - last night
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:59:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:49:35 EDT (#)
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"You apparently think college students are capable of making good life choices. I, on the other hand, do not. 18 to 23 years of age constitutes a bunch of FUCKING KIDS!!!"
Bubba wants the voting age, drinking age, age of consent, marriage age, draft age, age to be tried as an adult, and driving age to all be changed to 23.
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Don't try to put words in my mouth/review, ya fuckin moron. You think I can't see that?
Do I think you are a kid? Yep. Do I think you are a moron? This time, yes.
Please respond in an adultlike manner, and stop trying to change what I say. You cannot get away with that with me, because you ain't that fuckin' smart, kid.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:56:49 EDT (#)
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????? Why in the fuck would Bart take ANYTHING down? Because YOU don't agree with it??
You'd best hone your argumantative skills, Darky, because you are wrong and come across as one who writes simply to forward his own presence. You are wrong, as always.
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Because there are two posts on here calling an innocent guy a murderer that include his full name, copy righted pictures, and links to other contact information of his. If your family/future employers started typing your name in google and kept coming to pages dedicated to calling you a mass murderer, I'm sure you'd take some action to have the pages removed.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:54:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:45:30 EDT (#)
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Also, I wouldn't be surprised if this and the other two posts are taken down by bart.
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????? Why in the fuck would Bart take ANYTHING down? Because YOU don't agree with it??
You'd best hone your argumantative skills, Darky, because you are wrong and come across as one who writes simply to forward his own presence. You are wrong, as always.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:50:01 EDT (#)
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But what would I know, I'm just a fucking kid.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:49:35 EDT (#)
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"You apparently think college students are capable of making good life choices. I, on the other hand, do not. 18 to 23 years of age constitutes a bunch of FUCKING KIDS!!!"
Bubba wants the voting age, drinking age, age of consent, marriage age, draft age, age to be tried as an adult, and driving age to all be changed to 23.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:46:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:33:40 EDT (#)
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You agreed with my statement that ALL schools should close, not just college. And every student pays to go to college, and because it is not mandatory they do no have to go. All the university had to do in this case was inform the students of the situation within a timely matter of the shooting in the dorm. Now I'm not sure if they managed to fire off an email during those 2 hours to students informing them of what happened, but they should have, and included in their that the police were still investigating. That would be the only fault to have with the university, that it failed to inform the students/professors of what happened in a timely matter. (has no clue if students were ever made aware or not).
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Fine. Tell me what I agreed with. We were speaking of the college in question, and you fucking know it.
"Inform the students in a timely manner." Right. You apparently think college students are capable of making good life choices. I, on the other hand, do not. 18 to 23 years of age constitutes a bunch of FUCKING KIDS!!!
You won't listen. THE COPS ARE FOOLS!!! SHUT THE FUCKER DOWN AND SAVE LIVES!!!!
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:45:30 EDT (#)
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Also, I wouldn't be surprised if this and the other two posts are taken down by bart.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:43:47 EDT (#)
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same article http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/campus.security/index.html
"Virginia Tech Police Chief Wendell Flinchum said his office will investigate to see if the shootings were related to two bomb threats that were called in recently.
In the first, on April 3, university officials closed down Torgersen Hall and a main gateway to the campus after a written note threatened the 100,000-square-foot building, according to the Roanoke Times.
The school canceled classes in the building and sent bomb-sniffing dogs in to check it out. No device was found.
The second incident took place Friday, according to WTVR in Richmond, which reported that a bomb threat forced closures of Torgersen, Durham and Whittimore halls. The buildings were closed over the weekend and reopened only in time for classes Monday morning, according to the New River Valley Times."
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When notified of a threat to a building, the university shut down those buildings. Now the first shooting occurred in a dorm, and I still don't know if residents of that dorm were made aware of the shooting or warned before hand, but they had no reason to think that more shooting would take place at a different building.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:40:34 EDT (#)
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Via cnn
"At about 9:15 a.m., more than 30 shots were reported in nearby Norris Hall, he said.
One student told CNN that he was upset with the way the university notified students about the shooting.
"I'll say on the record I'm outraged that someone died in a shooting in a dorm at 7 in the morning. The first e-mail about it, no mention of locking down campus, no mention of canceled classes, they just mention they're investigating a shooting a few hours later at 9:26," said student Jason Piatt."
According to The Associated Press, the e-mail read:
"A shooting incident occurred at West Amber Johnston earlier this morning. Police are on the scene and are investigating. The university community is urged to be cautious and are asked to contact Virginia Tech Police if you observe anything suspicious or with information on the case. Contact Virginia Tech Police at 231-641. Stay attuned to the www.vt.edu. We will post as soon as we have more information."
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Now it is up to each individual to determine if notifying people of an incident 2.5 hours after it occurred is within a timely matter or not. While clearly in this case an earlier warning would have been better, the university seemed to be hoping to have as many details as possible before sending out the email.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:37:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:27:53 EDT (#)
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Bubba, no offense, but saying somebody's crazy for believing the cops at a time when there's little other information available and instead building theories based on your own speculatory ruminations makes me think you're a little bit of a lunatic.
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Assholy, when Kent State happened in 1970, I was about 21 years old. Not old enough to be president, but not young enough to be a fool. My point is, the cops are the LAST people I would believe. Look it up on any website concerning IQ. Cops are basically stupid.
"speculatory ruminations" Awesome phrasing. You say no offense, and then call me a lunatic.
Pretty cool.
The point is, the cops could have saved lives by erring on the side of caution. What difference would a few hours or a day or two make if those kids were still alive?
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:33:40 EDT (#)
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You agreed with my statement that ALL schools should close, not just college. And every student pays to go to college, and because it is not mandatory they do no have to go. All the university had to do in this case was inform the students of the situation within a timely matter of the shooting in the dorm. Now I'm not sure if they managed to fire off an email during those 2 hours to students informing them of what happened, but they should have, and included in their that the police were still investigating. That would be the only fault to have with the university, that it failed to inform the students/professors of what happened in a timely matter. (has no clue if students were ever made aware or not).
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:29:07 EDT (#)
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Bubba, what is your experience in law enforcement or the military? Just wondering.
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:27:53 EDT (#)
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Bubba, no offense, but saying somebody's crazy for believing the cops at a time when there's little other information available and instead building theories based on your own speculatory ruminations makes me think you're a little bit of a lunatic.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:24:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:17:52 EDT (#)
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Well hell Bubba, let's get rid of mandatory schooling all together. I mean clearly all students are better off being home schooled, and this preposterous thinking of paying for others to teach students is an old an outdated concept, especially since no school should actually do what they are being paid to do whenever a questionable circumstance occurs.
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Darko, college is NOT MANDATORY!! Who said anything about home schooling? Stop trying to introduce bullshit into a logical argument.
QUESTIONABLE CIRCUMSTANCE???? People were DYING out there! What does a day or two mean when it can save over 30 lives??
Arguing for fun is fine, but if you expect me to take you seriously, you are full of shit.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:17:52 EDT (#)
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Well hell Bubba, let's get rid of mandatory schooling all together. I mean clearly all students are better off being home schooled, and this preposterous thinking of paying for others to teach students is an old an outdated concept, especially since no school should actually do what they are being paid to do whenever a questionable circumstance occurs.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:13:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:08:58 EDT (#)
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Ok bubba, everytime there is a shooting within a 5 mile radius of a school that occurs within the 2 hours before classes start, all schools will be shut down.
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FUCKING A YES!!!! How many kids do you have, Darky? <---- Heh!
They can't come back from the dead! WHY KEEP THE SCHOOLS OPEN?
Does it make you/I more money? NO? Well then, WHY?????????????
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:10:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:06:04 EDT (#)
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Bubba, I wasn't there, but that was the conclusion that the on campus police officers made, and they haven't said that the two shootings were connected yet.
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And you believe the COPS????? Ever hear of May, 1970, Kent State University??
Jesus, Darko, the average cop has an IQ of 99-101. They are robots.
"The subject attempted to exit his vehicle and was informed by the officer that..."
They are fucking fools at best!!!
SHEESH!!
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:08:58 EDT (#)
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Ok bubba, everytime there is a shooting within a 5 mile radius of a school that occurs within the 2 hours before classes start, all schools will be shut down.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:07:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:04:26 EDT (#)
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Ok Ax, are they supposed to do the same thing whenever there is a shooting at an apartment near the university? I mean, there are quite a few apartments/houses that are closer to buildings on campus than dorms.
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FUCKING A YES!!!! You can always recoup a couple of days of education; you cannot bring back the dead...
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:06:04 EDT (#)
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Bubba, I wasn't there, but that was the conclusion that the on campus police officers made, and they haven't said that the two shootings were connected yet.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:04:26 EDT (#)
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Ok Ax, are they supposed to do the same thing whenever there is a shooting at an apartment near the university? I mean, there are quite a few apartments/houses that are closer to buildings on campus than dorms.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:04:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 20:58:25 EDT (#)
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Bubba, you are asking reasonable people to think of unreasonable situations. Crimes happen at universities everywhere, and a shooting in a dorm isn't that uncommon. Last year at my college two guys came into a dorm room, poured gasoline on a guy, threatened to light him on fire and threatened him with a gun. Then they left the dorm. Should my university in this case shut down the campus because there was a known instance of someone with a gun on campus, but said person no longer appears to be on campus?
This looked like a specific case where the shooter had something against the victims in the dorm, why would you then think he would go and open up on random people?
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If someone gets shot on a campus, what is so devastatingly cruel about shutting the place down for a few hours or even a few days? Maybe it would save lives. It is always better to err on the side of caution than on the side of the mortician. A day or two out of the education of today's college kids wouldn't make a bit of difference, other than that they might be alive to finish their degrees...
Also, you said it "looks like a specific case..." You weren't there, and neither was I. I think they should have shut it down and perhaps saved lives.
Submitted by manic_impressive (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:01:38 EDT (#)
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My first response to this was "I hope he didnt beat Martin Bryant". He didnt. Marty got 35.
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:01:01 EDT (#)
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Because you don't want to take the chance. In your situation, no one was hurt, but at Vtech two people were killed. That's reason enough to shut down classes, at least for a day.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 20:58:25 EDT (#)
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Bubba, you are asking reasonable people to think of unreasonable situations. Crimes happen at universities everywhere, and a shooting in a dorm isn't that uncommon. Last year at my college two guys came into a dorm room, poured gasoline on a guy, threatened to light him on fire and threatened him with a gun. Then they left the dorm. Should my university in this case shut down the campus because there was a known instance of someone with a gun on campus, but said person no longer appears to be on campus?
This looked like a specific case where the shooter had something against the victims in the dorm, why would you then think he would go and open up on random people?
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2007-04-16 20:54:27 EDT (#)
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Cool! +2 for another Psych person.
When stuff like this happens, I look at it as another opportunity to study mental breaking points.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-04-16 20:53:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2007-04-16 20:50:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-04-16 20:48:55 EDT (#)
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I guess I just don't understand that type or person. If you wanna off yourself, do it.
Why take innocent people with you? If you believe in Hell that's a sure way to get there...
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Did this stuff happen when you were my age? I know Charles Whitman did pretty much the same thing at UTexas, but it seems this is more widespread, with Red Lake and Columbine and this. Whatever happened to personal responsibilty
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I think Whitman did his thing in 1966, when I was 17.
Darko, you agreed that the school officials did the right thing. You wanna explain that bullshit reasoning to the families? Huh? Again, BULLSHIT!!!
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2007-04-16 20:53:34 EDT (#)
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It still seems that they're a recent invention. Maybe it's just the publicity.
Submitted by Progr3ss (user info) at 2007-04-16 20:52:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2007-04-17 10:47:31 EST (#)
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Am I a bad person for getting excited when something like this happens because I take a clinical interest in instances of abnormal behavior?
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No. Look at the Port Arthur massacre. Whole damn country got excited. Now we have bugger all guns. But that's a good thing.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 20:52:40 EDT (#)
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One school shooting every 2 years isn't exactly widespread.
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2007-04-16 20:51:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Amontillado (user info) at 2007-04-16 20:50:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2007-04-16 20:47:31 EDT (#)
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Am I a bad person for getting excited when something like this happens because I take a clinical interest in instances of abnormal behavior?
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If you are, so am I. This is why I'm studying psychology.
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It is all pretty interesting. It's why rotten.com etc is so popular, strange and bizarre things attract people.
Submitted by Amontillado (user info) at 2007-04-16 20:51:17 EDT (#)
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But you must always expect the worst and plan for it.
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2007-04-16 20:50:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-04-16 20:48:55 EDT (#)
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I guess I just don't understand that type or person. If you wanna off yourself, do it.
Why take innocent people with you? If you believe in Hell that's a sure way to get there...
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Did this stuff happen when you were my age? I know Charles Whitman did pretty much the same thing at UTexas, but it seems this is more widespread, with Red Lake and Columbine and this. Whatever happened to personal responsibilty
Submitted by Amontillado (user info) at 2007-04-16 20:50:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2007-04-16 20:47:31 EDT (#)
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Am I a bad person for getting excited when something like this happens because I take a clinical interest in instances of abnormal behavior?
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If you are, so am I. This is why I'm studying psychology.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 20:50:16 EDT (#)
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And I think the school did the right thing here. Someone was in the Dorms and shot two people, then leaves the dorm. I'm sure most people would think here, "he's fleeing the scene so he doesn't get caught", not "he's going to find a spot and then open fire again in 2 hours".
Submitted by Amontillado (user info) at 2007-04-16 20:49:35 EDT (#)
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The school "had reason" to think he left campus. I can't imagine how terrible they feel now.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-04-16 20:48:55 EDT (#)
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I guess I just don't understand that type or person. If you wanna off yourself, do it.
Why take innocent people with you? If you believe in Hell that's a sure way to get there...
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-16 20:47:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Zoidberg (user info) at 2007-04-16 20:35:41 EDT (#)
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already debunked as not his, check his facebook
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2007-04-16 20:47:31 EDT (#)
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Am I a bad person for getting excited when something like this happens because I take a clinical interest in instances of abnormal behavior?