John Kerry Admits Building 7 Was Controlled Demolition (5812 hits)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (View user info) at 2007-04-23 23:23:35 EDT
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rJsJjYwYOAA&mode=related&search=
You might call John Kerry less than authoritative on this issue, but I'll be willing to put money on him not being the last Senator or congressman to express this understanding of events.
Now what? Anyone care to go over this yet AGAIN?
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-05-01 02:27:48 EDT (#)
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i'm really starting to doubt you are serious. do you really honestly believe that linking to nutball conspiracy theory websites is going to make us see the light? this has to be a joke. i can't reply anymore. this has just gotten too ridiculous.
MUSLIM TERRORISTS CRASHED BIG PLANES INTO BUILDINGS AND THEY COLLAPSED. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-04-30 20:40:00 EDT (#)
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It's a bum link, Caul...don't start with your conspiracy theorizing.
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/300407freewaycollapse.htm
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-30 18:14:58 EDT (#)
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i love how ur favorite website says there is no comparison http://infowars.com/articles/sept11/freeway_collapse_bears_no_relation_to_wtc_buildings.htm (seems like took down their idiotic article) then they carry on to say that the pass below didn't pancake and turn into fine powder like the WTC...comparing the weight of a two-way to about 1/4 of one of the largest building ever.
your 130 iq doesn't seem to help you see through blatant bullshit, hmm?
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2007-04-30 17:54:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-04-30 22:42:15 BST (#)
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Hey man.
SF bay area. Bay Bridge ramp/overpass. Sunday April 30, just before 4am.
Tanker truck carrying 8600 gallons of gasoline explodes, burns fast.
Steel melts.
Overpass comes down.
Looky, pictures, and no thermite to be seen!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?o=6&f=/c/a/2007/04/30/MNGK8PI1CI1.CDN.DTL
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How very convenient!
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-04-30 17:42:15 EDT (#)
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Hey man.
SF bay area. Bay Bridge ramp/overpass. Sunday April 30, just before 4am.
Tanker truck carrying 8600 gallons of gasoline explodes, burns fast.
Steel melts.
Overpass comes down.
Looky, pictures, and no thermite to be seen!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?o=6&f=/c/a/2007/04/30/MNGK8PI1CI1.CDN.DTL
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-04-30 16:54:22 EDT (#)
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"I am ashamed to be an American. I am utterly and completely appalled at my government's actions."
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You don't have to be the first to be the second, man. Stop being such a pussy.
Submitted by beeltea (user info) at 2007-04-30 04:40:56 EDT (#)
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One of TTOM's butt buddies. Go on, suck his cock. I know you want to. I bet he makes you his bitch, does't he?
Courtesy is a two way street, buddy.
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well, I HAD a slight amount of respect for you, but the above comment proves without a shadow of a doubt that you are a sniveling whiny loser. Eat shit and die. And go to hell, while you're at it. If you believe in that sort of thing.
Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2007-04-29 18:10:49 EDT (#)
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pardon me for interrupting yet another ETS tirade about conspiracy.
I know what building 7 is, asswipe. I wasn't responding to the post.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-29 17:48:43 EDT (#)
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so many large blocks of text below...u guys almost killed the internet.
who the fuck brings up their high school iq tests in an argument?
u still can't prove shit even if u had an iq of 180 and jedi powers.
stfu ets
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-29 14:24:46 EDT (#)
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well, it's been fun, but i have a BBQ to go to where two hot chicks are gonna have a make-out contest in a giant vat of beer and the prize is sleeping with me and they're both gonna win.
PEACE
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2007-04-29 13:32:34 EDT (#)
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http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news/internet-argument-lose.php?page=1
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-29 12:47:47 EDT (#)
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"This is what I don't understand about guys like you... You're obviously intelligent, you know perfectly well why we're doing what we're doing, you know it's a farce, you know that because of us more people are dying than need to die, and yet you volunteer to serve at the beckon call of criminals like Cheney? I'm at a loss to explain to myself how you can do that. They count on heros like you to be able to do what they do."
i am a puppet of NO MAN. i understand beyond a shadow of a doubt what it is i do and how it defines me as a person. and i'm not helping ANYONE go to their death just because i go to see the war firsthand. i don't volunteer to be at the "beck and call" of Cheney. i volunteer for myself and for others in need (and to make a living for myself and further develop my passion for technology of course). i am under no one's command and am afforded the luxury of being able to do as i please. Cheney works for ME as does the President. they work for all citizens, not the other way around. the only catch is, a 2/3 vote is required for them to do our bidding.
and i am sorry you're ashamed to be an American, but i suggest you stop sucking off the teat of this great country and get the fuck out if you hate it so much. i don't want you here and neither do all the other good people that work so hard to make this a great place to live. you can just fuck right the fuck off.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-29 12:29:06 EDT (#)
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Once again, you utterly fail to argue specifics of 9/11, instead you glorify yourself by saying, "I'm risking my life for freedom."
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tell me where i said i was risking my life for "freedom". the people in that region have been warring since the beginning of time and they will never be truly "free", which i credit to Islam.
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By conservative estimates we've killed over 650,000 Iraqi civilians in this oil war, and you assert you are "out there risking your life to SAVE the [lives] of others." Nice cognitive dissonance. Or, if you like, double think.
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i opposed it before it started and i oppose it still. but the COLD HARD FACT is that we are there and i want to do what i can to help the situation instead of sitting on the couch smoking pot and then complaining about the people that are out there working their asses off to help. i have seen gruesome death and i have also seen it avoided as a DIRECT result of my job. what is so wrong with me wanting to help people? nothing can change the fact that we are there. instead of staying in country and ignoring the situation while i watch Lost and eat Doritos on the couch would be shameful. since the US started this mess, i feel obligated to help the Iraqi people and the soldiers that were forced to do the dirty work of evil men that claimed it was for "freedom" and to "protect us from terrorism".
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I find it a bit interesting though that you refuse to give specifics of what exactly it is you think youre doing that's helpful to mankind while insisting that in order to be credible, I must do so. Nice double standards to go along with your double think.
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i have good reason not to give specifics and it has something to do with protecting my livelihood. i could give two fucks less what you think you know about my job. you're some pissant on a website. while i enjoy boning up on my debate skills here, i don't exactly feel like giving away personal information to make a point.
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And what's this shit about me making a couple extra bucks by telling ubersite that 9/11 was an inside job? Let me set the record straight on that right now, I don't make a dime from doing this. Not a red cent. I do this because there is a propaganda war on and information, especially on government misdeeds, is rare and/or nonexistent in just about every form of media. I beat my head against this wall on my own accord. I do not take orders and I am - as of this date - still protected by the first amendment to add what I feel is right to the national political discourse, which I think is severely skewed to portray war as the only answer to our problems and an inevitable consequence of being "free".
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i don't remember saying you made money from doing anything. are you even paying attention to my words or just skimming my replies? SHOW ME where i said that.
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So, in closing, I urge you to get back out there in the desert and either look for Tim Osman (aka Osama Bin Laden (who is in Pakistan, by the way...our "ally") or find the WMD we were told was the justification for the war in Iraq. Otherwise, I'll be waiting to hear an actual response about what you feel you are contributing to mankind.
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i am going back. next month. i won't be looking for Osama or WMDs that don't exist. i'll be doing my part to help a terrible situation that Bush and Co. got the US and Iraqi people into after so many screamed it would turn out this way.
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Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2007-04-29 07:45:04 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/84762
We'll talk politics some time
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2007-04-29 07:43:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-04-29 07:36:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2007-04-29 06:55:07 EDT (#)
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Stop being a cock. It damages what little chance you have of being listened to. Courtesy and maturity, like hygiene, help in making people believe you. Pick up at least one of these virtues.
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One of TTOM's butt buddies. Go on, suck his cock. I know you want to. I bet he makes you his bitch, does't he?
Courtesy is a two way street, buddy.
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Sounds to me like you've sniffed out ANOTHER CONSPIRACY! Well thank you Quincy M.E. Whatever next for you?
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2007-04-29 07:37:10 EDT (#)
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I asked for nothing man, everyone gets the same level of TTOM based humour aimed at them, you are not special in that regard.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-04-29 07:36:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2007-04-29 06:55:07 EDT (#)
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Stop being a cock. It damages what little chance you have of being listened to. Courtesy and maturity, like hygiene, help in making people believe you. Pick up at least one of these virtues.
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One of TTOM's butt buddies. Go on, suck his cock. I know you want to. I bet he makes you his bitch, does't he?
Courtesy is a two way street, buddy.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-04-29 07:31:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2007-04-29 07:15:22 EDT (#)
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I appreciate all those -2s you gave me, theyve really taught me my lesson that you are correct and everyone else is a cro-magnon level fuck stick.
I bow to your intelligence and maturity in this whole matter.
Seriously Brad, what the fuck were you thinking? Can't take a bit of satire aimed in your direction? You DO realise that that makes you as bad as THEM!
If there was a them, which there isnt, you loony toon.
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Look at you you little fucking pussy. Take the hit and shut the fuck up.
"Mommy Mommy, look what HE'S doing!"
Fucking pussy.
You wanted this fight. You asked for it. Try to deny it and I'll link you to your reviews below to remind you.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2007-04-29 07:17:18 EDT (#)
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I believe the technical term for him is 'whiny fucker attention seeker.'
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2007-04-29 07:15:22 EDT (#)
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I appreciate all those -2s you gave me, theyve really taught me my lesson that you are correct and everyone else is a cro-magnon level fuck stick.
I bow to your intelligence and maturity in this whole matter.
Seriously Brad, what the fuck were you thinking? Can't take a bit of satire aimed in your direction? You DO realise that that makes you as bad as THEM!
If there was a them, which there isnt, you loony toon.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-04-29 07:15:01 EDT (#)
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Hidden,
http://www.ubersite.com/m/101013#2395518
I missed the second half of this review somehow. I think I got disgusted with the first parts of what you said and rushed to review... That being said. I can see how we agree on a whole heck of a lot. I know that I do not know everything that goes on behind the scenes of government, but I'm doing my best to pass on the things I discover through reading to the people I know so they can make more informed decisions. I resent the constant implication that any questioning of the official 9/11 story makes me a nutcase. Why can't we just go over the evidence like human beings and agree to disagree if that be the case?
Why does it have to be this incessant namecalling and mudslinging that distracts from anything resembling a real debate on the evidence? Case in point...how many lines in your response were dedicated to saying I cry in my mother's basement or I'm going to end up on welfare or in a mental hospital? Now how many were actually addressing anything to do with 9/11 evidence?
Let me give you an analogy... Look at a painting sometime. Put your nose up to the canvas and tell me what that painting looks like. It's not going to be easy. Sometimes when you're too close to something, you can't see the forest for the trees...or the painting for the canvas, as the case may be. Sometimes you have to take a step back in order to be truly critical of something of which you were once a part.
Let me set the record straight on this...I know there are good people like you in government. I know there are good people like you and the friends you mentioned in the military. I know the difference between following orders and giving them. I like to think that, in the same position, my moral fiber would prevent me from following certain orders, but you're right, I guess I'll never know until I'm in that position, which, by choice, will be never.
I have an IQ in the 130s, (that's school testing not internet) I finished in the top 1% on the ASVAB, and had a 27 on the ACT in high school even though I actually took the test stoned out of my gourd. For this, I got persistent calls from every branch of the military for well over a year. I told them I wasn't interested then, and I'm not interested now. This is what I don't understand about guys like you... You're obviously intelligent, you know perfectly well why we're doing what we're doing, you know it's a farce, you know that because of us more people are dying than need to die, and yet you volunteer to serve at the beckon call of criminals like Cheney? I'm at a loss to explain to myself how you can do that. They count on heros like you to be able to do what they do.
It's like how everyone waits till they get out of the military to tell about all the gruesome, slimy, and horrible things they saw, but few ever speak out and LOUDLY when the event is taking place... Why? Is it the pension? Are they just holding out for their piece of the retirement pie?
It seems like you are able to rationalize to yourself that you can do more good inside the system than outside it, which I suppose makes a twisted sort of sense, but come on man...don't you feel like making a statement sometimes? The choice I made not to go into military service was for the pure principle of it. Sure I probably could have gotten my college paid for, meaning I wouldn't have had to incur that debt right off the bat in life. I could have gotten a well paying job using military training and credentials...but that's not what I wanted. I did what I felt was the right thing to do for me. Fortunately for me, that was an easy descision to make. But the right thing is rarely the easy thing to do.
Look, either you can go to Iraq and Afghanistan for a year each to "to see the truth", or you can speak the truth as you see it NOW while something can still be done about it. None of us have to be told that Cheney is a crook, especially not at this juncture. What's missing is the critical mass of voices necessary to put an end to this.
Now, to answer your question about what kind of person I have to be to suspect my own people capable of pulling off 9/11... The really cynical kind who has read too many of his government's own incriminating words in the past concerning what it is capable of. Here's a short list of shit just off the top of my head...
MKUltra
The Tuskegee Experiment
Operation Monarch (aka Artichoke)
Operation Northwoods
The Vietnam War
I'm not saying it's average everyday people who are in on what's going on on 9/11. Whoever helped to do this was most certainly a skeleton crew of highly trained, highly paid operatives with high security clearance and a completely clueless group of patsies and unsuspecting corroborators helping them out. And yes, I think Cheney was the overseer of the event, but he was not the puppetmaster as it were. For that you must look much deeper into the lion's mouth. I believe it is as it's been since 1913...the international bankers control pretty much everything. How could you expect less from the people who control all the money.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2007-04-29 06:55:07 EDT (#)
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Stop being a cock. It damages what little chance you have of being listened to. Courtesy and maturity, like hygiene, help in making people believe you. Pick up at least one of these virtues.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2007-04-29 06:25:23 EDT (#)
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I also meant "bypass" as in "deal with", or "account for".
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2007-04-29 05:45:53 EDT (#)
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Sorry, I meant "being (exposed as impossible)", not "(being exposed) as impossible".
Will now read the rest.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-04-29 05:31:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2007-04-29 04:50:18 EDT (#)
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So your answer is: you speculate that they probably weighed up the risk of the attacks being exposed as impossible against the potential impact on the national psyche that could be created by a more iconic sort of attack.
Stop saying it's the "wrong question", I was asking it because I was curious how you managed to bypass a pretty large impediment to the plausibility of your theories.
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I didn't say they deemed the risk of exposure was "impossible". A loss doesn't have to be deemed "impossible" for an investor to sink his life savings into a risky venture if he thinks the returns would be beyond his wildest dreams. In everything there is risk. Smart people will take only those risks they believe represent the greatest yield to risk ratio. The thing is, if you're Dick Cheney sitting there in some dark room plotting this sort of event with all your PNAC and oil interest buddies, you're looking at your scapegoat, Osama Bin Laden and realizing that even if something goes horribly wrong... Even if one of the demolitions fails, you can STILL blame him for everything. At worst, you have to tell the American public that forces inside the country, forces very well funded, connected, and equipped are trying to destroy the American way of life from within. You still have an out. The risks, while we might perceive them as very scary and great, are not as great as you or I might think. Here it helps to remember what Joseph Goebbels said: "The bigger the lie, the more likely people will believe it."
"Stop saying it's the "wrong question", I was asking it because I was curious how you managed to bypass a pretty large impediment to the plausibility of your theories."
Bypass? You act as if I haven't ever considered that.
Look, nothing is ever perfect. There is no such thing as the "perfect crime". Beyond that, I think the "plausibility of my theories" could rest solely and comfortably in the fact that building 7 fell that day at all. Everything else, as Einstein said, is details.
When a smoking is gun is thrown at your feet, the last thing you tend to ask yourself is "why is it smoking?" That part should be self-evident. It's what it represents AS a smoking gun that makes it interesting.
When a crime scene investigator arrives on a murder scene one of the first things he asks himself is: "Who benefits?"
We have a couple choices here... Believe without question what Bush's people told us - that Bin Laden was behind it - or take a long hard look at the guys doing the finger pointing and ask what they had to gain from this and does it, in fact, fit with more of our evidence to hypothesize that they might have had something to do with it.
The overwhelming preponderance of evidence demands it, because in a court of law sometimes it takes just a single piece of evidence to cast sufficient doubt. If Bin Laden is such a "slam dunk" - excuse the WMD reference - why hasn't the FBI indicted him for 9/11? Well, we know why. As they themselves have already stated, they don't have enough evidence to get an indictment let alone a conviction. This leaves an interesting gap we must now account for, that being why we were led into war over evidence so flimsy as to not even warrant an indictment on somebody.
Cui bono. Motive. Once again, we could simply believe the government story that extremist Muslims did it because they are angry with America and they "hate us for our freedom", or we could take a deeper, more careful look at this thing and perhaps shed some real light on what's going on in our world that transcends this teet-suckling "war on terror" business that everybody and their mother is buying into these days.
Even the "left wingers" don't dare debate that issue openly, particularly if they are running for president. They will use this to their advantage however possible just like the neocons have.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2007-04-29 04:50:18 EDT (#)
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So your answer is: you speculate that they probably weighed up the risk of the attacks being exposed as impossible against the potential impact on the national psyche that could be created by a more iconic sort of attack.
Stop saying it's the "wrong question", I was asking it because I was curious how you managed to bypass a pretty large impediment to the plausibility of your theories.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-04-29 04:28:17 EDT (#)
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Oh, and Thorpe... Let's say for a minute Flight 93 wasn't either shot down by a rogue NORAD pilot refusing stand down orders or the scene of a fight between passengers and hijackers... Where was that plane going? Where was it supposed to crash? In either scenario I posed above something didn't go as planned. Something happened that wasn't expected that caused that last plane to fail to hit its target.
What if that plane was supposed to hit building 7? What if it was supposed to be some grand trifecta? The media would have told us, "We are receiving word that counterterrorsm experts at the Pentagon believe that the third plane was a backup or failsafe plane in case either of the first two planes missed their respective target, but when both succeeded, the next tallest building in the WTC complex was targeted. Our researchers are telling us that the building also contained government offices, making it a logical third choice for the terrorists."
Who knows... It could be that I am right on the money and some dickwad sitting a desk somewhere is sweating his breeches reading this thinking "he's onto us!" But it could also be that I am completely off base and the last plane was headed toward the Capital Building in Washington to decapitate the seat of American representative government, thus assuring that Bush could declare martial law and operate unquestioned long enough to get the neocon agenda rolling with enough momentum so as not to be stopped.
But again, both are speculation centered on a profile of behavior. That's why I said you're asking the wrong questions, because the question you asked can only be answered with specualtion. Which is good if you're trying to win a debate, bad if you actually want to understand where someone is coming from.
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Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2007-04-29 00:31:01 EDT (#)
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isn't a BIG FUCKING JET filled with VERY FUCKING FLAMMABLE FUEL flying at SUPER HIGH SPEED crashing and burning into the side of a REALLY FUCKING TALL building enough to collapse it?
Hey I'm no scientist but that's good enough for me.
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You don't even know the difference between building 7 and the twin towers... Why are you even part of this conversation?
Please...just forget you ever heard anything about 9/11 being an inside job and go back to your life, there's something obviously hypnotic about it. Might as well enjoy it uninterrupted.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-04-29 04:02:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2007-04-28 06:01:55 EDT (#)
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So answer the question. You just believe they didn't do their research beforehand? Or they didn't believe anyone would look into it?
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2007-04-28 06:01:15 EDT (#)
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It's not meant to answer anything, it's a question. Deciding to base a massive "facade" like this on an occurrence which is supposedly impossible, rather than simply carrying out the attack in a way universally agreed to be possible, isn't an oversight, or just them being "fallible". It's incomprehensibly ridiculous, especially when they have managed to pull off the rest of "the plan" so impeccably.
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I mean't to say that, you're asking the wrong question, so for me to answer you would not have led you any closer to an understanding of what I'm saying.
Look, all I can do is show you where they've fucked up, if you cannot or don't care to look into it further, that's your prerogative. And, no, the rest of "the plan" wasn't impeccable. That's what these posts are all about, showing you where they fucked up.
The fact that you THINK there are no holes in the official story of events is 'Exhibit A' in my submission that what you're saying makes no sense. It shows that, while they were far from perfect in covering up what really happened, they did a good enough job to fool most people.
All you should have to do is focus on building 7. Leave everything else out for the time being and really study how that building came down. The rest will become "incomprehensibly ridiculous" from there.
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I'm not asking "the wrong question", just because it's not one you're asking. I'm questioning YOU, not the 9/11 issue. You must believe one of the situations I mentioned. Why do you believe they chose to mask it as a plane crash?
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I hope this answers your question... I still think it's kinda a pointless question. Obviously, such a false flag event could have taken on many forms other than a set of very public plane crashes, but keeping with my trend of answering a question with a question, would it have done the job? Would it have been enough to get the public screaming for war? In a day and age when we hear about bombings and such in Africa or the middles east on a weekly basis through worldwide media, when we see extraordinary violence on TV all the time, when the public has been basically conditioned to accept a certain level of tragedy and mayhem as part and parcel of life itself, would another USS Cole have done the job? How about another Federal Building bombed? Remember, WTC was bombed about a decade before 9/11, by middle easterners even, so we were told. As we know, nothing in the way of war on a large scale erupted from these incidents. So, I ask you, what short of a 9/11-sized event do you think would have galvanized the public into a frothing war mode quicker?
Why did they choose the scenario we got? Because it worked, and they knew it would work before it was even carried out. They had had plenty of time to do market research on the subject. The cold war and an overzealous intelligence community had seen to that.
The idea of using planes in false flag attacks dates as far back (at least) to the early 1960s when the Joint Chiefs of Staff approved Operation Northwoods, which featured, among other things, a false flag Cuban attack on a plane full of American college students on vacation over the Carribbean. Also, airplanes are the most popular form of intercontinental travel, meaning that all sorts of tighter regulations and requests for personal information from otherwise uncooperative governments would be easier to acquire later on for international passengers coming in and out of the United States and other allied nations.
Mostly though, the sight of an airplane crashing into the broad side of a monumental skyscraper makes a rather large impression. Especially two of them back to back. If the first wasn't caught on tape, the second surely would be, and the giant fireball that resulted would be like a war fire around which we could all dance. And if that didn't quite seal the deal, the complete and totally UNEXPECTED collapses of both towers would solidify the shock and outrage needed to complete the agenda we're now witnessing.
My first words upon seeing the second plane hit live on CNN in 2001 were "someone just fucked up BIG time," meaning that war was coming. When the first tower crumbled to the ground in that exploding column of dust, which I also witnessed live on TV, all I could say was, "MOTHERFUCKER! NO WAY! OH MY GOD!"
We all expected war. We knew it would come, and we were not disappointed. Only in hindsight do I now know that both the wars in which we are overtly enganged and the ones we wage in secret are totally criminal in nature, having more to do with remaking an entire region of the world in our image through protracted genocide while we plant firm military roots around their oil fields than WMD, terrorism, democracy, freedom, or any of the other host of reasons our government has given for what we've done.
I am ashamed to be an American. I am utterly and completely appalled at my government's actions. Even if I didn't believe that 9/11 was a an inside job and a planned pretext for war, I'd still be hopelessly jaded with the current political direction we're heading in.
I hope this answered your question. Sorry for the rambling response.
Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2007-04-29 00:31:01 EDT (#)
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isn't a BIG FUCKING JET filled with VERY FUCKING FLAMMABLE FUEL flying at SUPER HIGH SPEED crashing and burning into the side of a REALLY FUCKING TALL building enough to collapse it?
Hey I'm no scientist but that's good enough for me.
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So answer the question. You just believe they didn't do their research beforehand? Or they didn't believe anyone would look into it?
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2007-04-28 06:01:15 EDT (#)
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It's not meant to answer anything, it's a question. Deciding to base a massive "facade" like this on an occurrence which is supposedly impossible, rather than simply carrying out the attack in a way universally agreed to be possible, isn't an oversight, or just them being "fallible". It's incomprehensibly ridiculous, especially when they have managed to pull off the rest of "the plan" so impeccably.
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I mean't to say that, you're asking the wrong question, so for me to answer you would not have led you any closer to an understanding of what I'm saying.
Look, all I can do is show you where they've fucked up, if you cannot or don't care to look into it further, that's your prerogative. And, no, the rest of "the plan" wasn't impeccable. That's what these posts are all about, showing you where they fucked up.
The fact that you THINK there are no holes in the official story of events is 'Exhibit A' in my submission that what you're saying makes no sense. It shows that, while they were far from perfect in covering up what really happened, they did a good enough job to fool most people.
All you should have to do is focus on building 7. Leave everything else out for the time being and really study how that building came down. The rest will become "incomprehensibly ridiculous" from there.
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I'm not asking "the wrong question", just because it's not one you're asking. I'm questioning YOU, not the 9/11 issue. You must believe one of the situations I mentioned. Why do you believe they chose to mask it as a plane crash?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-04-28 20:45:51 EDT (#)
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One more thing...think about this next time you're "out there trying to stop the next suicide bomber"... You are part of an occupying force that is only exascerbating the situation. You are in the middle of a sectarian conflict that was spawned from US and British meddling in the first place. You helped unseat and hang a dictator that was about the only force holding that poor country together.
Some might say you made your own bed, now sleep in it...but this isn't about just you. This is about all of us, especially the Iraqi people, who'd be a whole hell of a lot better off if we'd keep our noses out of their business, like we (the west) have done since the time of the British Empire.
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i don't feel the need to justify my work to you. i also have good reason not to talk about the specifics of it. and no, that does not mean i'm trying to hide anything, but keep thinking i'm a "spook" if you'd like. what do you think "spooks" do, anyway? do you think they spread propaganda and spy on the public and think up conspiracies all day? i bet you do. i bet you do and i think you watch too many movies. you think you know so much just because you listen to other nutballs and their nutball theories.
let me tell you something, son-
you. don't. know. jack.
but i'll think about you when i'm out there in the desert risking my own life to save the life of others. i'll think, "i might have almost died in a mortar attack today, but ETS is doing his part too, darnit! he's telling ubersite that the government murdered 3,000 of it's own people in cold blood to make a couple extra bucks! how noble of him! if only i was man enough to follow his example!" yes, when the 200 innocent people in a crowded Baghdad market live to see another day because i helped stop a suicide bomber, i'll think about you, doing your part on the homefront, bringing the truth to good American people via ubersite and say "goddamn, that boy is a hero!".
grow a pair of nuts, admit how silly you're acting, and man up and do something to contribute to society instead of bashing the people that do, you little shit.
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Once again, you utterly fail to argue specifics of 9/11, instead you glorify yourself by saying, "I'm risking my life for freedom."
By conservative estimates we've killed over 650,000 Iraqi civilians in this oil war, and you assert you are "out there risking your life to SAVE the [lives] of others." Nice cognitive dissonance. Or, if you like, double think.
I find it a bit interesting though that you refuse to give specifics of what exactly it is you think youre doing that's helpful to mankind while insisting that in order to be credible, I must do so. Nice double standards to go along with your double think.
And what's this shit about me making a couple extra bucks by telling ubersite that 9/11 was an inside job? Let me set the record straight on that right now, I don't make a dime from doing this. Not a red cent. I do this because there is a propaganda war on and information, especially on government misdeeds, is rare and/or nonexistent in just about every form of media. I beat my head against this wall on my own accord. I do not take orders and I am - as of this date - still protected by the first amendment to add what I feel is right to the national political discourse, which I think is severely skewed to portray war as the only answer to our problems and an inevitable consequence of being "free".
So, in closing, I urge you to get back out there in the desert and either look for Tim Osman (aka Osama Bin Laden (who is in Pakistan, by the way...our "ally") or find the WMD we were told was the justification for the war in Iraq. Otherwise, I'll be waiting to hear an actual response about what you feel you are contributing to mankind.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2007-04-28 19:06:17 EDT (#)
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OMG TEH TRUTHORZ!11!1! http://www.ubersite.com/m/101176
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-28 17:52:22 EDT (#)
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i don't feel the need to justify my work to you. i also have good reason not to talk about the specifics of it. and no, that does not mean i'm trying to hide anything, but keep thinking i'm a "spook" if you'd like. what do you think "spooks" do, anyway? do you think they spread propaganda and spy on the public and think up conspiracies all day? i bet you do. i bet you do and i think you watch too many movies. you think you know so much just because you listen to other nutballs and their nutball theories.
let me tell you something, son-
you. don't. know. jack.
but i'll think about you when i'm out there in the desert risking my own life to save the life of others. i'll think, "i might have almost died in a mortar attack today, but ETS is doing his part too, darnit! he's telling ubersite that the government murdered 3,000 of it's own people in cold blood to make a couple extra bucks! how noble of him! if only i was man enough to follow his example!" yes, when the 200 innocent people in a crowded Baghdad market live to see another day because i helped stop a suicide bomber, i'll think about you, doing your part on the homefront, bringing the truth to good American people via ubersite and say "goddamn, that boy is a hero!".
grow a pair of nuts, admit how silly you're acting, and man up and do something to contribute to society instead of bashing the people that do, you little shit.
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... And yes, you're a fucking coward in my eyes...
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And what, pray tell, have YOU done about all these travesties that you see going on?
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I'm informing the people I care about.
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Way to stick it to the man, you're the next Rosa Parks
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-28 13:39:36 EDT (#)
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i'll say it again, coward- if you honestly think our government and a massive team of specialist ghosts murdered some 3,000 people for a few bucks, man up and do something about it. what are you doing besides posting on this ridiculous website?
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I'm informing the people I care about. That's what I'm doing.
You know The Doors lyric in "Five to One"..."They've got the guns but we've got the numbers...gonna win yeah we're takin' over"... In order to get the numbers to do something about it, you have to first inform people on how they're being fucked over.
As for your work, I'm glad you feel like you're making a difference, but let me turn the tables and ask you...how? How are you making a difference, exactly?
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... And yes, you're a fucking coward in my eyes...
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And what, pray tell, have YOU done about all these travesties that you see going on?
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I'm informing the people I care about.
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Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2007-04-28 06:01:55 EDT (#)
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So answer the question. You just believe they didn't do their research beforehand? Or they didn't believe anyone would look into it?
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2007-04-28 06:01:15 EDT (#)
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It's not meant to answer anything, it's a question. Deciding to base a massive "facade" like this on an occurrence which is supposedly impossible, rather than simply carrying out the attack in a way universally agreed to be possible, isn't an oversight, or just them being "fallible". It's incomprehensibly ridiculous, especially when they have managed to pull off the rest of "the plan" so impeccably.
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I mean't to say that, you're asking the wrong question, so for me to answer you would not have led you any closer to an understanding of what I'm saying.
Look, all I can do is show you where they've fucked up, if you cannot or don't care to look into it further, that's your prerogative. And, no, the rest of "the plan" wasn't impeccable. That's what these posts are all about, showing you where they fucked up.
The fact that you THINK there are no holes in the official story of events is 'Exhibit A' in my submission that what you're saying makes no sense. It shows that, while they were far from perfect in covering up what really happened, they did a good enough job to fool most people.
All you should have to do is focus on building 7. Leave everything else out for the time being and really study how that building came down. The rest will become "incomprehensibly ridiculous" from there.
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... And yes, you're a fucking coward in my eyes...
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And what, pray tell, have YOU done about all these travesties that you see going on?
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that statement is rather misleading, TTOM. he hasn't, in fact, "seen" any of these travesties. he read about them on a website. don't attack his sources, though. they are credible. his websites have scientists, no shit.
CNN LIES! ONLY THE INTARWEB CAN BRING US THE CRITICAL TRUTH NOW!
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i can and will acknowledge the possibility that 9/11 could have been an inside job. however, i don't believe it due to lack of supporting evidence. conspiracy theory websites and youtube are not credible sources of factual evidence. sorry, bud.
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Ad hereing lies the problem...will ALL of you, it seems...
As long as you're waiting for Wolf Blitzer or Bill O'Reilly to announce it on cable news, you're going to probably be SOL.
9/11 Truth has made plenty of strides into the mainstream. People from all stripes have questioned it, including scientists, and appearances in what you might call "credible" (aka Ad-Driven) venues are of course going to be limited since the military industrial complex is so closely married with just about everything we buy these days.
The short of it is...you don't have a clue what your goverment is doing even though you're in it. You've got your head down focused on what's in front of you, which is at the moment me. And yes, you're a fucking coward in my eyes. You see enough to know how fucked up it is, yet you refuse to make that last little leap because you know that that might entail you becoming disillusioned with your precious job. Am I wrong?
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dude, i don't even OWN a TV. people come in my place and say "where's your TV??" like i'm supposed to have one. i also hate Bill O'Reilly. i've seen his show and he's the worst. i don't know a goddamn thing about Wolf Blitzer, so i can't comment there.
thank you for giving me the short of it, now let me give you the long of it- i do INDEED have a clue what the government is doing. and calling me a coward is rich, coming from you. i'll say it again, coward- if you honestly think our government and a massive team of specialist ghosts murdered some 3,000 people for a few bucks, man up and do something about it. what are you doing besides posting on this ridiculous website?
to answer your question, yes, you ARE wrong. there are plenty of jobs i could be doing that pay more that have nothing to do with the government, and i can't say i haven't been tempted to take them. but the truth of the matter is, i feel like i make a difference. i DO see how fucked up a lot of the things the government does are, however, i fail to see how quitting the work i do which directly saves the lives of innocent people caught up in this war they never wanted will solve anything. what, am i supposed to start smoking pot and move in with you so we can talk about how much The Man is bringing us down? yeah, that'll show 'em....
FIGHT TEH POWAR!!!1
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... And yes, you're a fucking coward in my eyes...
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And what, pray tell, have YOU done about all these travesties that you see going on?
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i can and will acknowledge the possibility that 9/11 could have been an inside job. however, i don't believe it due to lack of supporting evidence. conspiracy theory websites and youtube are not credible sources of factual evidence. sorry, bud.
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Ad hereing lies the problem...will ALL of you, it seems...
As long as you're waiting for Wolf Blitzer or Bill O'Reilly to announce it on cable news, you're going to probably be SOL.
9/11 Truth has made plenty of strides into the mainstream. People from all stripes have questioned it, including scientists, and appearances in what you might call "credible" (aka Ad-Driven) venues are of course going to be limited since the military industrial complex is so closely married with just about everything we buy these days.
The short of it is...you don't have a clue what your goverment is doing even though you're in it. You've got your head down focused on what's in front of you, which is at the moment me. And yes, you're a fucking coward in my eyes. You see enough to know how fucked up it is, yet you refuse to make that last little leap because you know that that might entail you becoming disillusioned with your precious job. Am I wrong?
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2007-04-28 13:00:31 EDT (#)
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Thats why I wear my tinfoil hat at all times, to deflect TEH SPACE LAZORZZ!11!
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-28 12:44:38 EDT (#)
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(rant continued)
i have a healthy mistrust for many parts of the government. what you have is called insanity. i think every American should mistrust their government to help keep officials in check. afterall, this country is not the government, it's the PEOPLE. the citizens like you and i, NOT the government. Bush has done an immense amount of damage to this country and to our promised liberties. i would love to see him impeached, but only as long as Cheney goes with him. if you think Bush is bad, think about his replacement....
you talk to me like i have blind faith in the government and am one of those people that think being a patriot means no questions asked. for shame, for shame. i honestly hope you don't actually consider me to be a spook. the government is not run by cyborgs grown in Haliburton labs. it's people like you and me that mean well and want the best for this country and it's people. well, maybe not you because you're fuggin' NUTS, but you get the point.
what kind of moral universe do you have to inhabit to be able to believe that your own people - airline personnel, demolition experts, police and security forces, faked witnesses and all the rest - are capable of such a thing? how much hate for your own society do you have to carry in order to live in such a desolate and ridiculous mental hell? what psychoses must a mind be riddled with in order to negate what was perfectly obvious and instead believe a theory of such monumental fantasy? how much pure constant hatred does that take? it makes me sick that you would believe so many people conditioned to the American way of life their whole lives would be capable of something like that.
i know what goes on at the higher levels of government with the exception of the office of the president, because i've participated in it and have seen it with my own eyes. i've talked to the top generals face to face and worked with them daily. my best friend was *in the room* with the generals when Bush announced the Iraq war. he's also in Tommy Franks' book. they had to follow orders from Bush and Rumsfeld and Cheney and let me tell you, they didn't agree with a lot of them. i remember sitting in the office of the commander of the 3rd Infantry Division in Baghdad and asking him what he thought about the way things were going and let me just say he didn't have anything good to say. so there you have it, these "higher ups" are just men like you and i. they aren't evil government drones like you think they are.
and to revisit your statement, if you think i'm "scared of the consequences" of learning that 9/11 really was perpetrated by the Bush administration, you've got another thing coming. i don't know a single soul that owns any type of weapon that wouldn't be marching on Washington for revenge if we found out it was an attack by our own government. you say that i'm fooling myself because your version of the truth is too much to swallow, but i think you are casting around for an explanation that matches the magnitude of events on that day. i think events that seem to be inexplicable cause you to look harder for the reason behind them until you are satisfied. but you never will be. you will continue to spin ever more elaborate webs in order to get to a place you need to be emotionally.
i want to continue to tell you what a worthless, failure of a human being you are for reading website made by people you don't know anything about instead of manning up and getting involved for real, but i have a meeting to go to. and yes, it's about Iraq. oooooohhhhhh, isn't "hidden101" a perfect codename for a spook?!
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-28 12:44:04 EDT (#)
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"I bet you make a pretty penny these days doing "intelligence" work, doncha?"
actually, yes. are you jealous? i worked my ass off to get where i am and i continue to work my ass off while you sit at home doing drugs and reading conspiracy theory websites. i enjoy participating in major government activities because it gives me an insight on what is really going on as opposed to just having to take the word of the media. and go ahead and tell me i'm selling my soul to work for The Man. i could care less.
"All I can say is, if you don't believe the guy to be credible, EMAIL HIM."
hahahahahaha. yes, as if sending an email to scottforbes2002.at.hotmail.com is going to validate the largest and most complex conspiracy in American history against it's own people. do i really need to expound on how abso-fucking-lutely redonkulous that is?
"The fact that you can't even acknowledge the possibility that 9/11 could have been an inside job, or that there is, indeed, an awful lot of very damaging circumstancial, if not scientific, evidence pointing in this direction tells me that you are fighting to maintain this semblance of normalcy in your world, because, frankly, you're scared of the consequences."
i can and will acknowledge the possibility that 9/11 could have been an inside job. however, i don't believe it due to lack of supporting evidence. conspiracy theory websites and youtube are not credible sources of factual evidence. sorry, bud.
why do you think i'm "fighting to maintain this semblance of normalcy in my world"? i never even had a sense of normalcy. not now, not ever. i've seen more fucked up shit in a few years than you would see if you lived two lifetimes. then again, i guess it's hard to see anything when you spend all your time smoking pot and reading conspiracy theory websites. you know why i've seen a lot of fucked up shit? because i go out there and get my hands dirty when i want answers. i don't read websites made by some sheltered little shit that thinks he knows a goddamn thing about this world.
i chose to go to Iraq for a year to see the truth. i'm choosing to go to Afghanistan next month for the same purpose. i don't have to go, i want to go. i can tell you right now that KBR/Haliburton is most certainly doing some very shady things out there (even things you haven't seen reported) that i have seen with my own eyes. i can't tell you how much under the table stuff is going on between them and Cheney, but i just wanted to give an example. i sought answers like those and i got a great deal of them.
i care very much about this country and if you read my posts, you will see i don't trust the government as far as i can throw Dick Cheney. so call me a lapdog, but it's the furthest thing from the truth. you should be grateful that people like me actually get engaged instead of doing what you do- read websites. but again, i care very much for this country and i believe in it's people that want to make this a better country and a better world. if you think you'd be better off in an anarchy, by all means, pack your bags. if you like all the things the government provides with our tax dollars (roads, schools, police, etc) then get involved like a real man instead of crying in your basement about how evil the government is. i don't think you have it in you. i think you are a pathetic excuse for a human being and i can easily see my tax dollars paying for either your welfare checks or your mental health treatment in the future.
(to be continued because bart is ghey and my whole reply won't go through)
Submitted by Plus2 (user info) at 2007-04-28 07:34:27 EDT (#)
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Forgot to say that my point was in response to your first comment, ETS.
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At least you are firm on your position, even though I don't agree with it.
Just a few random thoughts somebody has probably brought up, but I can't be bothered to search through all the relevent posts:
Has anybody pointed out yet that the metal may not have been steel (or at least not pure steel)? When connecting beams to stuff, civil engineers may have used other metals to save time and work. The welding is more important than material type in most applications. Make a mini-bridge out of manila paper and wood glue to reinforce this idea. I am not sure amorphous metals were around when the WTC was constructed, but they are very strong and flexible because they are made of several types of metal. One disadvantage is a low melting point. They are slightly bouncy, at least on a microscopic level, so they resist scratching. They would be perfect for critical building points, but not the whole building because they are expensive.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2007-04-28 06:01:55 EDT (#)
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So answer the question. You just believe they didn't do their research beforehand? Or they didn't believe anyone would look into it?
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2007-04-28 06:01:15 EDT (#)
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It's not meant to answer anything, it's a question. Deciding to base a massive "facade" like this on an occurrence which is supposedly impossible, rather than simply carrying out the attack in a way universally agreed to be possible, isn't an oversight, or just them being "fallible". It's incomprehensibly ridiculous, especially when they have managed to pull off the rest of "the plan" so impeccably.
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ETS, answer me one question:
Why did the conspirators choose to mask the attacks as planes crashing into the WTC, if that couldn't have brought the buildings down?
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That's a stupid question that answers nothing. You are distracting yourself from the real question which should be: "why are we believing the impacts could have brought those building down at all?"
The fires weren't raging infernos like we're being led to believe. Firefighters can be heard calling for hoses to knock down the fires they've found on the floors where the impacts occured, so where's the fire capable of weakening steelto such a degree that the cores of the buildings will be blown to smithereens, with pieces of I-beams flying hundreds of feet and embedding themselves into neighboring buildings?
You've seen the pictures of that woman standing in the very scar through which one of the planes had struck the tower...was she buring alive in 1800 degree heat? The answer is 'no'.
So again, I am compelled to point out the insignificance of your question, Thorpe. Even if...and this is a stretch...even if the steel was weakened at the impact site by this "raging inferno" that lasted all of 15 seconds, do you really think the buildings would have fallen that way? Watch the collapses again... Notice that the upper stories ABOVE the collpase zone just get pulverized into dust before your eyes. Why?
You might ask me: "Brad, if this was a conspiracy, then why would they do such a shitty job?" This seems to be what you're trying to get at with this meaningless line of questioning. My answer is only this: "Why are you expecting them to be infallable?"
Just like a criminal can't change his fingerprints or his DNA, the perpetrators of 9/11 cannot hide their glaring mistakes. They might have thought that everyone would be so enamored by the flag-waving orgy they wouldn't notice...but I notice. And anyone with two eyes and a brain has the necessary equipment to notice. But will you?
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ETS, answer me one question:
Why did the conspirators choose to mask the attacks as planes crashing into the WTC, if that couldn't have brought the buildings down?
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i'm still laughing. i'm sorry, this is just too much fun for me. i should go to bed, but i just can't resist.
hahahahaha
THERMATE.
hahahahahahahahahaha
i've used thermate before, and it ain't for cuttin' steel in a controlled demolition.
i love how all the internet investigators have sites up talking about how thermate brought the towers down and swear they are a credible source when they don't even know what thermate is. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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You're giving yourself away with your phony laughing.
You know as well as I do that no one said its use in demolition applications was common practice. But you also know as well as I do that thermate can and will cut through steel like butter.
http://www.supportthetruth.com/videos/Jones_Italian_S.wmv
Did you read Steven Jones' paper and write a retort, or do you just enjoy fake laughing like a dumbass with nothing better to say because he's too fucking weak-minded to face facts?
Kinda reminds me of some brainless jock in high school...you'd insult his intelligence and he'd pretend to laugh to himself in a feeble attempt not to look like the dumbass he actually is.
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hey look, i can pick random websites and claim they are credible sources too!
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/ben-fountain-meet-scott-forbes.html
http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_power_down.html
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All I can say is, if you don't believe the guy to be credible, EMAIL HIM.
As for the Screw Loose Change BLOG you linked me to...he doesn't have an argument either because no one ever said the entire 9/11 Truth Movement or ALL ideas about how it was pulled off hinged on these two guys being in complete agreement about every single quote. Even if Ben Fountain was taken entirely out of context when he was quoted as saying there were "unusual drills" before 9/11, that is such a miniscule facet of the body of accumulated evidence, both of the circumstancial and scientific variety, that it's hardly even noticable.
Your argument is a red herring. The "Screw Loose Change" people, in fact everyone who seeks to discredit 9/11 Truthers, act as if the documentary "Loose Change" is the end all be all of the movement, presenting every single piece of evidence as if the filmmakers are stating at every turn that "this is exactly how it happened", when in fact, all they do is expose a lot of very fishy evidence - not all of which is completely taken in context, granted - and ask you, the viewer, to insist that an INDEPENDENT formal investigation take place.
This rabid ATTACK mode that people like you and the dipshits from Popular Mechanics get in says more about your desperation than anything else. The fact that you can't even acknowledge the possibility that 9/11 could have been an inside job, or that there is, indeed, an awful lot of very damaging circumstancial, if not scientific, evidence pointing in this direction tells me that you are fighting to maintain this semblance of normalcy in your world, because, frankly, you're scared of the consequences.
Either that or you are a paid spook. How many billions was that Bush paid for propaganda again? And that's just the administration...nevermind all the senators and congressmen of both stripes. I bet you make a pretty penny these days doing "intelligence" work, doncha?
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-28 04:42:40 EDT (#)
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you're really not the smartest peanut in the turd, are ya, ETS?
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-28 04:35:28 EDT (#)
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i'm still laughing. i'm sorry, this is just too much fun for me. i should go to bed, but i just can't resist.
hahahahaha
THERMATE.
hahahahahahahahahaha
i've used thermate before, and it ain't for cuttin' steel in a controlled demolition.
i love how all the internet investigators have sites up talking about how thermate brought the towers down and swear they are a credible source when they don't even know what thermate is. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-28 04:17:06 EDT (#)
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hey look, i can pick random websites and claim they are credible sources too!
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/ben-fountain-meet-scott-forbes.html
http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_power_down.html
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-28 03:57:51 EDT (#)
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hahahahahaha
do you even know what thermate is???
what a fuggin' RETARD.
ahahahahahahahahahaha
and he called me a spook! ahahahahaha
dude, you're more entertaining than this kid!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bybmhr8REkM&mode=related&search=
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-28 03:53:58 EDT (#)
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"Google "WTC power down", or just go here: http://killtown.blogspot.com/2005/12/scott-forbes-interview.html and read an interview with senior Database Administrator for Fiduciary Trust, Scott Forbes, who used to work in the South Tower of the WTC."
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oh, so all i have to do is google the answers?!?! oh, Mr Bush. you thought you had us, didn't you, you clever son of a bitch... but you forgot about one thing-
the cat's out of the bag now, Mr Bush. you severely underestimated the Internet investigators and now you are going to pay.
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-27 10:57:59 EDT (#)
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ahahahahahahaha
propaganda? what are you talking about? oh wait, you meant "common sense". ok, gotcha.
so let's say the building was wired with explosives before 9/11. you also mentioned that support beams must be cut prior to the explosives going off. basically you are saying that the planners and the people that did the wiring and cutting of the beams are being quiet about it? what, did Bush hire Al Queda Wrecking Company?
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One word: thermate. Thermate was used to cut the steel supports prior to the use of conventional explosives, which were obviously used during the main collapse of the first two towers. Anyone interested in how they most likely pulled off the demolition of the first two towers -which were intentionally blown outward, against traditional thinking for obvious reasons - read Steven Jones' paper on the use of thermate in the towers.
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let's also take into consideration the THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WORKING IN THE BUILDING. are you telling me no one noticed any of this going on?
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No, they noticed. It's just that we have a bit of a problem getting many of them to testify since they are dead. The ones that didn't go to work that day or by the grace of God managed to escapse will tell you about the unprecedented POWER DOWN that occurred in the days leading up to the false flag event.
Google "WTC power down", or just go here: http://killtown.blogspot.com/2005/12/scott-forbes-interview.html and read an interview with senior Database Administrator for Fiduciary Trust, Scott Forbes, who used to work in the South Tower of the WTC.
Of course, being the obvious spook you are, you'll link us to something like this: http://www.911review.com/errors/wtc/forbes.html which claims that the Scott Forbes story is unlikely and it lacks "journalistic integrity" when the writers of the page neither bothered to contact Scott Forbes, whose email address can be found on the page I linked to, nor realized in their co-called "critique" of his email to John Kaminski that he never said the cabling work that was taking place was for networking purposes. In fact, the best attempt (and I use that phrase loosely) at a smear job they can muster is the following gem:
"It makes no sense that the perpetrators would do something so obvious as powering down half of a tower so shortly before the attack. This would create a profound disruption of business for dozens of companies, and would be noticed by thousands of people. Thousands of e-mails would have been broadcast and a great deal of work would have been done by scores of employees to prepare for the outage."
Well NO SHIT, Sherlock! That's what Mr. Forbes is trying to tell you if you care to pull your head out of your ass long enough to listen! He's trying to tell you that the power down DID take place and was unprecedented in nature. He's trying to tell you, if you care to listen to or read his interviews across the internet, that it DID cause a lot of unnecessary work for him and his collegues. What kind of a retort is that anyway? Isn't that the almost adult equivalent of going "NUH UH! LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!"
Give me a fucking break. That site must have been written by someone from uber. I don't think I've run into too many other people thst fucking stupid.
But again, most of you will ignore me. And everytime I cut off your silly verbal barbs and fallacious logic with cold hard facts, you will dig yourselves a little deeper of a whole, ensuring that the only way out of the mental prison you're placed yourself in is by digging yet deeper.
Good luck with that.
Submitted by beeltea (user info) at 2007-04-27 12:52:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Acarnis (user info) at 2007-04-26 20:54:11 EDT (#)
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Did you read anything I just typed?
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Nah.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-27 12:05:59 EDT (#)
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haha, i typed "rediculous" because i was thinking "reeeeee-diculous" in my head.
actually, it's more like REDONKULOUS!
ps: -2
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-27 10:57:59 EDT (#)
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ahahahahahahaha
propaganda? what are you talking about? oh wait, you meant "common sense". ok, gotcha.
so let's say the building was wired with explosives before 9/11. you also mentioned that support beams must be cut prior to the explosives going off. basically you are saying that the planners and the people that did the wiring and cutting of the beams are being quiet about it? what, did Bush hire Al Queda Wrecking Company?
let's also take into consideration the THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WORKING IN THE BUILDING. are you telling me no one noticed any of this going on? like, no one heard steel beams being cut? i'm no expert on cutting steel beams, but i'm pretty sure it would make quite a racket. or maybe they used LAZER BEEM GUNZ!!! and can you really leave a building wired up to explode with many of it's support beams weakened while people work?
seriously, do you ever think things through before you speak? do you honestly believe your youtube videos are factual?
i challenge you to refute anything i say with facts. not heresay from a nutball conspiracy theory site. FACTS. are you up for the challenge? you have yet to logically and factually refute anything that anyone has had to say. your "debunking the debunkers" post was laughable and rediculous. not once did you refute any statement made by the PM article with anything remotely resembling a fact.
if you can't even make an honest attempt to do so, then i'm going to consider you to be fucking with everyone because i am honestly just floored that you believe this stuff. honestly, though, i'm seriously wondering if you really are just fucking with everyone for your own entertainment. so i'm either right or you are just fucking looney tunes crazy.
well, i have to go poop yet again. i've been eating these fiber crackers and it's been making me poop so much that my ass is bleeding a little. welcome to my nightmare.
Submitted by chipolatte (user info) at 2007-04-27 02:27:27 EDT (#)
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wow there's 1984 hits when I responded to that.
IT'S CLEARLY A GOVERNMENT PLOY TO TRY AND MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE ACTUALLY TELLING THE TRUTH, WHICH WILL MAKE THE REST OF US DOUBT YOU, WHICH THEN LETS THE CORRUPT GOVERNMENT OFF SCOTT FREE.
IT ALL MAKES SENSE!!!!!!
"WELCOME TO MY NIGHTMARE!"
Submitted by chipolatte (user info) at 2007-04-27 02:24:42 EDT (#)
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"Eh, I'm done. Some of you will never get it. For those that do, welcome to my nightmare. "
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HAHAHAHAHAHA
You finally respond to a post, and it doesn't contradict any of the logical shit that me or Hidden or anybody else has said! The closest you come is calling Hidden's words "propoganda". For what?
You aren't real, you are a dumb alter, because the shit that comes out of your mouth is too surreal to be real.
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-04-26 21:13:15 EDT (#)
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Also...hidden101, you can go fuck yourself.
Spread your propaganda while you can, spook boy.
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The only thing 'hidden' by Mr. 101 is his IQ....
Blow this, Charley.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-04-26 21:13:15 EDT (#)
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Also...hidden101, you can go fuck yourself.
Spread your propaganda while you can, spook boy.
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Submitted by Lisa (user info) at 2007-04-26 05:20:44 EDT (#)
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Maybe someone can explain this to me: what conspiracy theory does the demolition of building 7 prove? If there's a giant hole in a huge building and it's in danger of collapsing, why not destroy it in a controlled fashion?
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I've answered this question I don't know how many times, but if you agree that building 7 was destroyed by controlled demolition, then serious doubt is cast over the entire official government story of events because there is NO WAY that building could have been rigged with explosives between 9:00am and 5:30pm on the same day.
The preparation alone for controlled demolition takes weeks. The standard procedure also involves going in in and precutting some of the supports to facilitate an even collapse that will not disturb surrounding structures. If the building was destroyed with explosives, as anyone with eyes can see it appears to have been, then we must conclude that the explosives were put there PRE 9/11!
I shouldn't have to step you through the ramifications of that.
Look at the footage of that building falling. There is no doubt in my mind that is a controlled demolition. Larry Silverstein admitted it on PBS when he said he told a fire chief to "pull" the building.
You will hear a plethora of retorts trying to explain these facts away as 'no big deal', but it is a VERY big deal.
All anyone on this website can ever do is attack me personally, it seems. When they're not doing that, they are parroting the official story as if hearing it for the 1,000,000th time, I will suddenly 'see the light'.
The problem is, there aren't just inconsistencies with the story of how building 7 collapsed...the government story has inconsistencies at every turn, it seems. Just tracing the funding of the hijackers back to Pakistani intelligence, a supposed "ally" in the war on terror and long time CIA money funneler, should be enough to make anyone with a brain seriously question what the hell is going on here...but of course...
Eh, I'm done. Some of you will never get it. For those that do, welcome to my nightmare.
Submitted by Acarnis (user info) at 2007-04-26 20:54:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by beeltea (user info) at 2007-04-26 19:00:30 EDT (#)
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sorry. i just don't buy it. you're taking a tiny clip that ends with a cliffhanger, and given the circumstances, the building was hazardous to rescue workers. hundreds of them just dying hours earlier during the collapse of tower two. controlled demolition makes perfect sense.
Excuse me? What is it that you don't buy? You're addressing different things. I didn't deny that controlled demolition made perfect sense. It DOES make perfect sense. Yet the federal government and the owner of the building deny that it was controlled demolition. Did you read anything I just typed?
I guess the conspiracy theory comes into play when one starts to realize that it'd take some time and/or preparation for a controlled demolition. It'd be as if they were prepared.
Submitted by beeltea (user info) at 2007-04-26 19:00:30 EDT (#)
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sorry. i just don't buy it. you're taking a tiny clip that ends with a cliffhanger, and given the circumstances, the building was hazardous to rescue workers. hundreds of them just dying hours earlier during the collapse of tower two. controlled demolition makes perfect sense.
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Submitted by beeltea (user info) at 2007-04-26 13:28:08 EDT (#)
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Yes Lisa that point was already made, but being that it is a good point, ETS will ignore it.
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Submitted by Lisa (user info) at 2007-04-26 05:20:44 EDT (#)
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Maybe someone can explain this to me: what conspiracy theory does the demolition of building 7 prove? If there's a giant hole in a huge building and it's in danger of collapsing, why not destroy it in a controlled fashion?
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Uhh no. I'll explain to you how that's not a good point. If building 7 was really destroyed in a controlled fashion, it contradicts with the official explanation. That means that the federal government or at least someone is lying to the public. Whoever is lying is showing off their dishonest character.
If it's the government who is lying, who already has a bad reputation with examples like Pat Tillman and the exaggeration of WMDs, then what else are they lying about? It doesn't give way to any "conspiracy theory" exactly, but it would certainly demand a closer look at what else is not true.
Now let's be frank, here... If building 7 was really destroyed in a controlled fashion, it would be the most insulting lie by this administration, to date.
Submitted by beeltea (user info) at 2007-04-26 13:28:08 EDT (#)
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Yes Lisa that point was already made, but being that it is a good point, ETS will ignore it.
Submitted by Lisa (user info) at 2007-04-26 05:20:44 EDT (#)
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Maybe someone can explain this to me: what conspiracy theory does the demolition of building 7 prove? If there's a giant hole in a huge building and it's in danger of collapsing, why not destroy it in a controlled fashion?
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-26 01:12:10 EDT (#)
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ETS has yet to refute any logical and factual argument against his views. i really can't say i'm surprised in the least bit.
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Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2007-04-25 08:51:29 EDT (#)
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He never answers me. :)
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that's cuz you turned into Stabkill.
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Nigga please.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2007-04-25 10:15:45 EDT (#)
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what was the point of this?
Submitted by FartSmeller (user info) at 2007-04-25 09:51:54 EDT (#)
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Meh.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-25 09:16:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-24 13:11:52 EDT (#)
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http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=1
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Here was my response to that piece of shit smear job article: http://www.ubersite.com/m/85963
By the way, the "senior researcher" for that article was Benjamin Chertoff...COUSIN of Michael Chertoff, Homeland Security director. If that means nothing to you, try googling "Hearst Corporation" (owners of Popular Mechanics magazine) and "yellow journalism" and see what comes up.
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yeah, you're right. that was stupid of me. i know if i asked my cousin to help me cover up the murder of over 3,000 people he'd be all like "sure, i have no qualms about that at all!" too. dude, seriously. think of how insane the stuff you're saying is. if everything you have said is true, it would take an IMMENSE amount of resources to pull it off. do you really think the government is full of people who have no problem killing thousands of people in their own country and then thousands more in other countries just for a few bucks? seriously, here's what i want you to do- take that meditation thing you were talking about and just think about what it would take to carry out a conspiracy like this and all the people it would require. try to wrap your mind around that. also, don't do any drugs that day.
you should start a company- ETS Internet Investigations. i'd bet people without computers everywhere would be lining up to get some answers from a world renowned private dick.
i find it funny how you won't ever believe anything any government official says but you have no problem believing things on any random website you googled. yes, government officials don't always tell the truth. such is the case for the Iraq war. there's plenty of shady, underhanded things going on that we're all lied to about. but you seriously gotta calm down before you turn into the dude that makes plots to assissinate government officials. what makes you so untrusting, anyway? daddy didn't love you?
ps- i gave another link besides the PM one. how come you had nothing to say about that? also, i read your post about the PM article. you refuted absolutely nothing they said. nothing. i'm not even going to explain why because i have to go poop and that's more important than typing another paragraph right now.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-25 08:53:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2007-04-25 08:51:29 EDT (#)
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He never answers me. :)
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that's cuz you turned into Stabkill.
Submitted by Scott_James (user info) at 2007-04-25 08:52:37 EDT (#)
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Oh, and indeed, dear.
God fucked up big time when he put you on this Earth. He must have got held up and dumped you in America when you were meant for East Germany after the Berlin Airlift.
Don't worry, I was born into the wrong generation too. I should have been a dinosaur.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2007-04-25 08:51:29 EDT (#)
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He never answers me. :)
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-25 08:38:50 EDT (#)
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i love how ETS ignored dozens of replies only to answer the ones he could.
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-24 13:11:52 EDT (#)
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http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=1
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Here was my response to that piece of shit smear job article: http://www.ubersite.com/m/85963
By the way, the "senior researcher" for that article was Benjamin Chertoff...COUSIN of Michael Chertoff, Homeland Security director. If that means nothing to you, try googling "Hearst Corporation" (owners of Popular Mechanics magazine) and "yellow journalism" and see what comes up.
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/101013#2390178
Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2007-04-25 08:02:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2007-04-24 13:33:31 EDT (#)
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ETS.
I'd actually like to do a bit more reading on this whole subject, can you post a few links to your main sources?
Or you can shoot me an email, which you can find by looking at one my first posts
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Check your email.
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thanks
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2007-04-25 07:32:08 EDT (#)
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You know what is funny?
This:
http://www.ubersite.com/m/85963#1912659
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2007-04-25 02:46:20 EDT (#)
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i am smarter than everyone
Submitted by Bohme (user info) at 2007-04-25 02:17:43 EDT (#)
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The fact is, we have no facts. Sorry about that.
Submitted by chipolatte (user info) at 2007-04-25 02:13:42