36% of Americans believe victory in Iraq can be achieved (2980 hits)
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Submitted by Lisa (View user info) at 2007-04-26 05:10:19 EDT
Victory over WHAT?
http://www.cnbc.com/id/17523704
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Submitted by DasHeer (user info) at 2007-05-10 11:14:41 EDT (#)
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I believe you have a 36% chance of getting laid by a desperate hobo who has beer goggles and who has not been laid in a year
Submitted by BongZilla (user info) at 2007-05-01 21:52:59 EDT (#)
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wow. this post is total shit.
-BongZilla
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-01 21:39:27 EDT (#)
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actual insult material!
http://www.ubersite.com/m/101219#2399387
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2007-04-30 02:56:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2007-04-28 20:06:34 EST (#)
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You're right to question, Dalai, but I suggest you also take a class in statistics. There are very good reasons to accept that a sample of 1,000 are representative of a population of 3,000,000, provided the data are collected honestly (which can mean lots of things).
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This whole survey is nonsense. There is no way that 300 people is representative of nearly 300 million.
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It's not even meant to be.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-29 15:31:15 EDT (#)
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from now on...when referring to americans, every foreigner must mention all the little exceptions so that hidden doesn't cry.
Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2007-04-28 06:06:34 EDT (#)
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You're right to question, Dalai, but I suggest you also take a class in statistics. There are very good reasons to accept that a sample of 1,000 are representative of a population of 3,000,000, provided the data are collected honestly (which can mean lots of things).
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This whole survey is nonsense. There is no way that 300 people is representative of nearly 300 million.
Submitted by manic_impressive (user info) at 2007-04-28 05:55:16 EDT (#)
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Dudes what was that movie posted on Uber with the car going of the cliff taken from an aerial view???
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2007-04-28 04:32:59 EDT (#)
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"Will," it would be a lot more reasonable. But considering that the question is a matter of "can," it is quite eerily low.
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-04-28 03:47:16 EDT (#)
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You're right to question, Dalai, but I suggest you also take a class in statistics. There are very good reasons to accept that a sample of 1,000 are representative of a population of 3,000,000, provided the data are collected honestly (which can mean lots of things).
There's also, however, the very real possibility that reported results are the product of statistical shenanigans. Easy to do. But I wouldn't argue against a trick unless you know the solution.
Also, a big no-no is over-reacting when the results don't reflect kindly on you or your position. You'll lose all credibility.
Can't trust those damned scientists. True. Can't trust those Christians, either. Can't trust anybody. Best drink a beer.
ps, I'm a scientist, not a Christian.
Submitted by ooQueso (user info) at 2007-04-28 02:27:54 EDT (#)
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The opinions of 1,000 people are supposed to reflect that of 3,000,000? Surveys, statistics, and other related propoganda devices are such drivel. Why is it that when people hear a number and "percent" followed by "of", they tend to believe it and adjust their opinions accordingly?
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-04-27 16:48:51 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/101154
Uh...hello? Did you not realize that I posted this?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 16:45:48 EDT (#)
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good then.
just make sure you provide us with more youtube videos of fighting in iraq for the next decades of your occupation.
i like to be entertained
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-04-27 16:40:59 EDT (#)
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King Abdullah has openly said that he would aid the Sunni minority if US forces were to leave.
Iran has indirectly said the same thing.
So yes, Im pretty damn sure that would happen.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 16:38:52 EDT (#)
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as soon as we leave, civil war will erupt, which will evolve into a proxy war with Saudi Arabia against Iran for control of the Middle East. """
OH NOW YOU HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL, HUH?
you couldn't predict this quagmire, but you know how the regional powers in that shitty complex part of the world will react?
perhaps everything could be fine too. we don't know.
ALL I KNOW IS THAT ALL THIS WAR FOOTAGE GIVES ME A HARD ON!
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-04-27 16:35:27 EDT (#)
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I actually agree with you there caul...it would be absolutely foolish to pull out now...as soon as we leave, civil war will erupt, which will evolve into a proxy war with Saudi Arabia against Iran for control of the Middle East.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 16:34:37 EDT (#)
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actually, i don't even know what i'm saying anymore.
i haven't work a single minute today. :-P
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 16:33:21 EDT (#)
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oh and by the way, i don't know if you've been watching the news, but most Americans want Bush to pull the troops out because they realized how big of a mistake Iraq was. """
i have. but why pull the troops out? that's what i'm saying. in 2003, most people wanted the war. those people (NOT YOUR OR BOB, I KNOW) should at least support their own choice OR AT THE VERY LEAST, NOT BLAME THEIR GOVERNEMENT.
"hey world, iraq was just a joke! we're leaving now!"
no you don't. finish what you started please. that's all i'm saying. what's so wrong with that? i'm not even insulting americans. i just want people to be consistant.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-27 16:28:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 16:11:56 EDT (#)
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this problem is a lot more likely to get solved if people take responsability collectively and individually than if they just throw it in the hands of politicans who will just play political games with it.
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yes, you're right. every person in the US should have special intuition powers when it comes to choosing politicians. or better yet, we could just get rid of them altogether and live in an anarchy! that would totally solve that problem!
do you honestly expect 300 million people to all have the same amazing cognitive abilities that you believe you possess?
oh and by the way, i don't know if you've been watching the news, but most Americans want Bush to pull the troops out because they realized how big of a mistake Iraq was.
your responses are just getting too ridiculous to address. you're sounding like ETS now.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 16:19:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-27 16:17:09 EDT (#)
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i don't know why you continue to insist that a majority vote is an entire country's decision.
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 16:11:56 EDT (#)
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this problem is a lot more likely to get solved if people take responsability collectively and individually than if they just throw it in the hands of politicans who will just play political games with it.
perhaps then an actual serious leader would arise and the problem would be dealt with properly, whatever that entails, instead of just pleasing a public opinion that don't wanna hear about it.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-27 16:17:09 EDT (#)
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because somewhere between 70 and 80 million Americans DIDN'T want this war. THAT'S A LOT OF FUCKING PEOPLE.
i don't know why you continue to insist that a majority vote is an entire country's decision.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 16:16:46 EDT (#)
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so you guys are telling me that collective responsability doesn'T exist anymore?
that we can just find a scapegoat and wash our hands to turn our head away from tough problems?
and we wonder why we're in a 'sue-everybody' culture.
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-04-27 16:14:52 EDT (#)
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Consistantly wrong is still unjust, no matter what actions are taken.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 16:11:56 EDT (#)
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this problem is a lot more likely to get solved if people take responsability collectively and individually than if they just throw it in the hands of politicans who will just play political games with it.
perhaps then an actual serious leader would arise and the problem would be dealt with properly, whatever that entails, instead of just pleasing a public opinion that don't wanna hear about it.
Bush might have lied, but at least he has been consistent and has made moves (like the surge) that goes against what people want.
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-04-27 16:11:51 EDT (#)
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i have a problem with is putting all the blame on a tiny group of ELECTED leaders who had majority support.
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But you do realize that Rumsfeld, the primary architect of the war, intentionally isolated himself from the CIA and collective intelligence and defense community who did not agree with going to war?
I met a former CIA officer last night who said this exact thing, so don't blame my ignorance of the situaton on it.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 16:05:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:51:22 EDT (#)
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i love how Caul acts like Americans are all horrible people because our country is at war but then says he doesn't give a fuck about the country we are occupying.
how righteous!
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who said anything about 'horrible'?
stop reading things i haven't wrote.
all i want is people to admit their choice.
i admit i was excited prior to the war, in a media-driven retarted sort of way. i have no problem with that. what i have a problem with is putting all the blame on a tiny group of ELECTED leaders who had majority support.
what's so hard in saying: "we, collectively, wanted this war. let's deal with it" instead of washing your hands and acting like it's not your problem anymore.
that's all.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:58:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:48:22 EDT (#)
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what i was trying to say hidden, you Lisa rapist :-D, is that if you are so prone to generalize, why can't we?
if people are gonna label muslims based on a tiny irrelevant percentage, why can't we say you, as one entity, wanted war with a large majority?
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because generalization creates disdain for a large group of people BY a large group of people over time. i have no desire to be lumped into a category with Bush supporters and war mongers.
and stop crying like a baby. the only thing Americans generalize about Canada is that you all like to drink Molsen at hockey games, you have mounted police, and say "ay" and "aboot". actually, that's stereotyping and is a little different than generalizing, but still kinda the same.
fuck man, you really are a piece of work. you act like a girl with daddy issues.
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:57:55 EDT (#)
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ahhhh!!! see...you said largely, which gives room for the minority of intelligent people who did not approve of this war.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:51:22 EDT (#)
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i love how Caul acts like Americans are all horrible people because our country is at war but then says he doesn't give a fuck about the country we are occupying.
how righteous!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:50:37 EDT (#)
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and my fucking point is that you largely deserve to be lumped together. get it? :-D
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:48:22 EDT (#)
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what i was trying to say hidden, you Lisa rapist :-D, is that if you are so prone to generalize, why can't we?
if people are gonna label muslims based on a tiny irrelevant percentage, why can't we say you, as one entity, wanted war with a large majority?
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:47:28 EDT (#)
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thats the whole fucking point im trying to make...the america that im in right now is decidedly different from the america that contains the base of support for this war in terms of ideological thinking.
To lum us together is a huge distinction.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:45:33 EDT (#)
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hidden has a problem with english, i think
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:44:29 EDT (#)
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fuck ur distinction in its ass.
americans are the kings of stereotypes and generalisations.
why would i give a shit about ur slight distinction.
america wanted war. point final.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:44:14 EDT (#)
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"lol, why do we blame every single muslims for 9/11?"
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who is "we"?
i don't blame every single muslim for 9/11. stop saying "we" when you actually mean a small percentage of people.
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"why do americans want us to be nice and courteous and comprehensive when they shit on entire populations who doesn't suck their collective dick?"
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"the insults i get based on my first language back in 2003 are a good example of why they don't deserve the favor of not all putting them in the same basket"
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stop whining like a little girl just because you got made fun of, frenchy. you are a playground bully's dream. first you cry about a girl that fucked you over because you were stupid and niave and now you're crying about people making fun of you and saying *all* Americans deserve to be treated the same. what a goddamn pussy.
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:43:58 EDT (#)
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I was thinking lastnight that if we do suffer some huge economic crash it's not like the third world will suffer or be any less off.
Westernized areas will for sure, so out of maybe a billion or two we could survive a deathwave of say 3/4 of a billion. The ones that make it will settle the planet again and probably do it all over again with a new set of characters and liars.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:40:29 EDT (#)
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war is cool
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:38:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:37:24 EDT (#)
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it's still a pretty large majority. i doubt FDR had that support for WWII.
stop making excuses already.
your country, in majority, wanted a war badly. admit it and move on. jeez
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Of course my country did approve of the war overall...but when you say the entire nation, you are forgetting 25%, nearly 75 million people, who did not approve.
The distinction should be made.
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:38:46 EDT (#)
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The other thing I should add: I think muslims are a bunch of fucking idiots for having such an assbackward religion, or cult or whatever. I guess I hate both sides equally and just wish there was a way they could destroy one another without it bothering my day.
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:37:37 EDT (#)
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Its funny you bring that up Caul...A few weeks ago, Time had an issue where they filled the pages with writings from deceased soldiers in Iraq.
One of them brought up night fighting, and how it seemed like a video game since all he would see was a green blob, and then when he shot, the blob would just stop moving and how surreal it was to be fighting like in a video game.
That was a great issue.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:37:24 EDT (#)
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it's still a pretty large majority. i doubt FDR had that support for WWII.
stop making excuses already.
your country, in majority, wanted a war badly. admit it and move on. jeez
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:33:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:22:34 EDT (#)
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that's interesting, you know I've never blamed a single muslim for any of this war stuff--I guess I've always leaned to their side, and I actually root for them once and a while--when a major operation gets in gear anyway.
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i personally don't care.
they make it look like a video game so most of us are pretty detached about it.
to me it just feels like spectating a CS game...though i must admit the amount of footage we have access to is very poor.
I WANT AN IRAQ REALITY TV SHOW, RIGHT NOW!
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:32:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:29:42 EDT (#)
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Initial support of the war was around 75-80%, not 100%. """
lol, i hope that's not an argument.
"IT WAS JUST A LARGE MAJORITY, NOT TOTAL MAJORITY! IN THE MEAN TIME, LET ME CALL MUSLIMS BASED ON THE ACTIONS OF A HANDFUL OUT OF 1.3 BILLIOON PEOPLE! HEE HAW!"
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Its not an argument, its just stating the fact that Americans did not act with a single voice when the Resolution was brought to the Senate, especially in the Northeast where I live.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:30:05 EDT (#)
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MUSLIMS TERRORISTS*
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:29:42 EDT (#)
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Initial support of the war was around 75-80%, not 100%. """
lol, i hope that's not an argument.
"IT WAS JUST A LARGE MAJORITY, NOT TOTAL MAJORITY! IN THE MEAN TIME, LET ME CALL MUSLIMS BASED ON THE ACTIONS OF A HANDFUL OUT OF 1.3 BILLIOON PEOPLE! HEE HAW!"
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:26:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:19:59 EDT (#)
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Then again all 6 of the critereon for a just war have been violated by us (aka the US government aka Bush's isolated group of confidants) """
way to wash your hands, pilatus. the war was also supported by US congress. who the fuck elect those? are they like barons and dukes?
jesus christ...IT'S NOT A CRIME TO ADMIT YOU WANTED A WAR
fuck i wanted it too...i don't care about iraqis and i like battle footage.
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I never did want a war with Iraq.
I completely approved of the war in Afghanistan.
There was no link with Al-Qaeda, there was no uranium being bought from Niger. All you had to do is open up an International Affairs journal and you would have seen that.
Why do you think every American believed in the war? Initial support of the war was around 75-80%, not 100%.
Anyone who took the time to look into Iraq would have realized that sectarian violence was the most probable result of destabilizing Saddam. Nation breaking and building doesnt occur "in a matter of weeks" as Rumsfeld said.
PS: I couldnt vote when the war started.
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:25:06 EDT (#)
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I like the cockpit videos of US pilots when they've just dropped a load of explosive goodness on some friendlies in the area.
It's just like--you spent how much on that fucking aiming and information system and you still managed to completely fuck it up?
Should be a pretty good indicator for most Americans that they might be idiots.
Submitted by beauxjizzle (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:22:46 EDT (#)
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victory over your hairy stank cunt, thats what.
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:22:34 EDT (#)
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that's interesting, you know I've never blamed a single muslim for any of this war stuff--I guess I've always leaned to their side, and I actually root for them once and a while--when a major operation gets in gear anyway.
but yeah, I agree that America deserves a wicked spanking, collectively, for this war and the last 3 or 4 wars too.
What do you think of these new water transfer acts that are starting to come into play?
I say: USA keep your dirty hands off of our water.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:19:59 EDT (#)
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Then again all 6 of the critereon for a just war have been violated by us (aka the US government aka Bush's isolated group of confidants) """
way to wash your hands, pilatus. the war was also supported by US congress. who the fuck elect those? are they like barons and dukes?
jesus christ...IT'S NOT A CRIME TO ADMIT YOU WANTED A WAR
fuck i wanted it too...i don't care about iraqis and i like battle footage.
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:16:54 EDT (#)
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"are you saying that because 3000 americans died two years before, it justifies full out war?"
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Waltzer's scale of Proportionality definitely tips the scale towards an unjust war...
Then again all 6 of the critereon for a just war have been violated by us (aka the US government aka Bush's isolated group of confidants)
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:16:32 EDT (#)
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"WE GENERALIZE ABOUT YOU, BUT DON'T GENERALIZE ABOUT US, PLEASE!" - Joe Yankee
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:15:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:13:12 EDT (#)
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hidden's point is just as good--why does the ROW (rest of the world) lay blame on every single American for this war? It's not like Momma Bucktooth with her sixteen kids standing in line at WalMart and thinking about a bucket of chicken had any influence on the situation.
It's not like this mess is her fault.
But the world would probably be a better place if she got hit by a 757, right in the face.
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lol, why do we blame every single muslims for 9/11?
why do americans want us to be nice and courteous and comprehensive when they shit on entire populations who doesn't suck their collective dick?
the insults i get based on my first language back in 2003 are a good example of why they don't deserve the favor of not all putting them in the same basket
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:13:17 EDT (#)
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i use 'you' generally, here. stupid english and it's lack of plural pronoun
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:13:12 EDT (#)
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hidden's point is just as good--why does the ROW (rest of the world) lay blame on every single American for this war? It's not like Momma Bucktooth with her sixteen kids standing in line at WalMart and thinking about a bucket of chicken had any influence on the situation.
It's not like this mess is her fault.
But the world would probably be a better place if she got hit by a 757, right in the face.
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:10:53 EDT (#)
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At the beginning it was a truly good and noble start to the war. I remember the CNN footage of a few thousand tanks and what not that were all lined up ready to dive in. I love how the attack line is called the 'start line' like, ready, set go, and all of a sudden you're in a war zone where you can shoot as many babies as you like and claim it was accidental.
Fucking heroic!
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:09:54 EDT (#)
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"are you saying that because 3000 americans died two years before, it justifies full out war?"
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i know english is not your first language, but goddamn.... READING COMPREHENSION. try reading it again and making sure you understand what i am saying before you conceive any more hasty responses. like i said a thousand times already- i have been opposed to going to Iraq since it was proposed and i still am. nothing justifies going to Iraq and if there honestly is a perfectly good reason to go there, the public should know about it. currently, there is no valid justification for going there. the information presented to us was false and was meant to mislead. i knew that all along.
and stop using the word "you" when referring to millions of people i don't agree with. i had nothing to do with this war being waged. i did not fight in it. i got out of the military before they deployed me there. i went there to help save lives indiscriminately and learn more about what was happening there and i accomplished both goals.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 15:02:08 EDT (#)
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i don't know why amerloques are ashamed to say they wanted war.
i mean...who cares...it's true, the build-up to the invasion was exciting to me as well and it was like watching sports. EVERYBODY, that includes me, was rooting and screaming for their sides like morons. tensions were high. then BOOM! "hey...wtf, it's real!?"
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2007-04-27 14:59:13 EDT (#)
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Caul is right, anyone that actually believed a single word of the entire WMD, yellowcake, aluminum tube circus fucking sideshow, even for just a second, is blind. Totally blind.
It was so painfully obvious were this illegal war was going to end up, exactly where every other imperial campaign does--brutal quagmire.
So now you all get to suck on it.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 14:51:19 EDT (#)
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and wtf are u talking about hidden?
are you saying that because 3000 americans died two years before, it justifies full out war? 9/11 wasn't the only place on Earth where innocent died...if everyone rationalized like that, the entire planet would be burning.
i'm not on a high horse. i'm not telling you, you are all retards and i'm better.
what i'm doing here is defending Bush. yes, that's what i'm doing. because he gave you your war and now you spit on him. at least stick with it and clean up the mess you started.
all i'm asking is that ONE american out there admits he wanted this war in 2003, and that he's ready to live up to his choice.
that is all.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 14:46:26 EDT (#)
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was that supposed to hurt my feelings? wtf
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-27 11:56:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 10:36:22 EDT (#)
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you're british, stfu
and u don't know me. there are great things about the US.
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yeah, you're right. there are great things about the US. here's a list of some of them- http://corporate.britannica.com/press/inventions.html
i wonder where Canada is on that list... oh, there you are- you made a little motorboat in the 60's. how cute.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-27 11:54:12 EDT (#)
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*cue claims that i'm defending my internet girlfriend*
Caul, you sound like a magnificent idiot, you know that? you know NOTHING about the US and you prove that over and over again with your ridiculous, unfounded assertions and assumptions.
i'll bet it feels pretty easy to critisize a country like the US when your country won't get involved in any international affairs whatsoever because it's the easy route. why don't you ponder this for a moment- your hometown is destroyed by terrorists. many people you know have died including a couple family members. the terrorists send a message to taunt everyone and let them know who carried out the attack. you have the sympathy and outrage of your countrymen. everyone wants revenge. it's human nature. someone punches you in the face, you punch back.
most Americans were too blinded by anger and pain to rationally think this war through. you may not understand that, but i do. i can't say i'm too happy about it, but what's done is done. now most Americans are kicking themselves and saying "if only we would have not let our anger cloud our judgement and allow us to be manipulated...". i said my piece at the beginning, before the war, and still stand firm to this day- the Iraq war is all lies and deception. it's an umbrella for the motives of this administration that will never be made public. i don't know what is going on, exactly, but we most certainly aren't in Iraq to liberate anyone. anyone with an IQ above 100 can figure that shit out for themselves. just like using "WMDs" as a buzzword because of it's ambiguity.
you may now dismount your high horse and take your foot out of your mouth.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 10:36:22 EDT (#)
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you're british, stfu
and u don't know me. there are great things about the US.
Submitted by snag (user info) at 2007-04-27 10:27:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 09:27:48 EDT (#)
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>> who said i hate america? who spoke of consumerism? there are a lot of things i like about the US. i might even move there one day.
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Oh dear God no.
Caul, due respect but you do NOT belong in the US. Not you, not ever.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 09:27:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Lisa (user info) at 2007-04-27 01:32:14 EDT (#)
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Does it bother you at all that you reviewed this post upwards of three dozen times today, Flamer? Your life must be excruciatingly boring. Maybe that's why you're a catty man-child."""
>> i'm too lazy to read posts so pick a shit post and use it for chatroom. my life is fine, i'm not the one who takes anti-depressant.
I never claimed to support the Iraq war. War is a stupid boys' game."""
>> where are those 80%+ of americans who supported the war? because that was the figure in polls at the time. where are they?
You can call Americans hypocrites for originally wanting it and act like you had all the answers four years ago, but the truth is that no one knows the truth except people in high places. Judging by the fact that your job allows you to have unceasing Internet arguments, you're not one of those people. We're fed all kinds of conflicting information by people with various underlying motivations and we choose what to believe and what not to believe; those of us not blessed with your powers of divine intuition and mental telepathy sometimes make bad guesses. Clearer information has become more available over the past few years, which is obviously why some people have changed their views on the war."""
>> lol, nice cop out. truth of the matter is that this war was largely opposed by entire world SPECIFICALLY cuz we didn't have reliable information. we didn't even have a half the results of inspections and troops were already deployed. that smelled like bullshit for everyone around the globe, except americans who were savvy for another war. do you think people have no memory, you stupid bitch? that we'll forget about the general attitude in the US media just prior to the invasion? how the MAJORITY of americans were slamming the anti-war camp (france, russia, germany) cuz they were in a hurry to pwn someone? everybody was so fucking proud and gung ho. now they made a 180 turn and slam Bush and act all oblivious. you can't change that 4 out of 5 people wanted this war badly and your pathetic little excuse isn't gonna cut it cuz when you're talking about war, you have to be a little more serious and careful than saying "oh well...i didn't know". fucking moron.
On another note, quit whining about how much you hate America, you dumb hypocrites. Hey, fellow Americans, let's all relocate to a utopia where consumerism is completely rejected, everyone lives in mud huts on organic farms, and popular culture is of the most refined quality, ...like, you know, Canada. Did someone say Avril Lavigne? """
>> who said i hate america? who spoke of consumerism? there are a lot of things i like about the US. i might even move there one day. what i detest is people with no accountability. two-faces asshole who don't even have the decency to step up to the plate and admit their error. instead they just blame the government (they elected) as an all-powerful being who controls the Universe.
Submitted by Barnymeinhoff (user info) at 2007-04-27 03:43:21 EDT (#)
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0nly read the bottom 10 but, good debate.
Submitted by Acarnis (user info) at 2007-04-27 02:22:57 EDT (#)
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"War is a stupid boys' game."
Bah, if the world were just women, there'd be so much more war. I'm not talking about the overused monthly bombing joke, either.
Submitted by Lisa (user info) at 2007-04-27 01:34:51 EDT (#)
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And "people" about a trillion. Time for bed.
Submitted by Lisa (user info) at 2007-04-27 01:33:04 EDT (#)
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I just used "hypocrites" twice and that bothers me.
Submitted by Lisa (user info) at 2007-04-27 01:32:14 EDT (#)
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Does it bother you at all that you reviewed this post upwards of three dozen times today, Flamer? Your life must be excruciatingly boring. Maybe that's why you're a catty man-child.
I never claimed to support the Iraq war. War is a stupid boys' game. You can call Americans hypocrites for originally wanting it and act like you had all the answers four years ago, but the truth is that no one knows the truth except people in high places. Judging by the fact that your job allows you to have unceasing Internet arguments, you're not one of those people. We're fed all kinds of conflicting information by people with various underlying motivations and we choose what to believe and what not to believe; those of us not blessed with your powers of divine intuition and mental telepathy sometimes make bad guesses. Clearer information has become more available over the past few years, which is obviously why some people have changed their views on the war.
On another note, quit whining about how much you hate America, you dumb hypocrites. Hey, fellow Americans, let's all relocate to a utopia where consumerism is completely rejected, everyone lives in mud huts on organic farms, and popular culture is of the most refined quality, ...like, you know, Canada. Did someone say Avril Lavigne?
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-27 01:14:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Snare (user info) at 2007-04-26 21:37:50 EDT (#)
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"...So the headline should read "We can say with 99% confidence that between 26% and 46% of Americans are so stupid they actually believe we can make this invasion work, despite ignoring all of Machiavelli's pre-conditions for the successful occupation of a foreign country."
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God fucking bless you brother Snare.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2007-04-27 00:20:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Snare (user info) at 2007-04-26 21:37:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-04-26 05:30:22 EDT (#)
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36% of Americans believe victory in Iraq can be achieved
36% of the survey surely............
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And this is only a sample of the sheer fucking ignorance on display here.
Listen up people, this is Stats 101.
When we are unable to measure a characteristic of a population, we measure the characterstic of a SAMPLE, and then develop a CONFIDENCE INTERVAL that what we have learned from the sample is true of the population.
What makes a good sample? Well first, the sample has to be UNBIASED which is achieved by taking the sample from the population at RANDOM.
Then the sample has to be LARGE. Note, large means large enough to display statistical trends, it does not mean a large portion of the population. Any sample size over thirty will do, although with a large, hetereogenous population you will want a larger sample to ensure the the sample is unbiased.
When applying the results of the sample study back to the population we apply STANDARD DEVIATIONS to the NORMAL DISTRIBUTION to allow us to make statements like : "We are 95% confidant that the true MEAN of the population is between x% and z%, given that the mean of the sample was y%."
So the headline should read "We can say with 99% confidence that between 26% and 46% of Americans are so stupid they actually believe we can make this invasion work, despite ignoring all of Machiavelli's pre-conditions for the successful occupation of a foreign country. And we can say with 99.9% confidence that between 95% and 99% of Uberers couldn't tell a normal distribution from a chi-squared test. Nor their arse from their elbow."
rofl a bunch of retards just got DOMINATED by basic intro level stats
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2007-04-26 21:47:09 EDT (#)
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Victory is when Jesus Christ returns to the Mount of Olives and establishes the Kingdom of God on Earth.
Submitted by Snare (user info) at 2007-04-26 21:37:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-04-26 05:30:22 EDT (#)
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36% of Americans believe victory in Iraq can be achieved
36% of the survey surely............
________________________________________________________
And this is only a sample of the sheer fucking ignorance on display here.
Listen up people, this is Stats 101.
When we are unable to measure a characteristic of a population, we measure the characterstic of a SAMPLE, and then develop a CONFIDENCE INTERVAL that what we have learned from the sample is true of the population.
What makes a good sample? Well first, the sample has to be UNBIASED which is achieved by taking the sample from the population at RANDOM.
Then the sample has to be LARGE. Note, large means large enough to display statistical trends, it does not mean a large portion of the population. Any sample size over thirty will do, although with a large, hetereogenous population you will want a larger sample to ensure the the sample is unbiased.
When applying the results of the sample study back to the population we apply STANDARD DEVIATIONS to the NORMAL DISTRIBUTION to allow us to make statements like : "We are 95% confidant that the true MEAN of the population is between x% and z%, given that the mean of the sample was y%."
So the headline should read "We can say with 99% confidence that between 26% and 46% of Americans are so stupid they actually believe we can make this invasion work, despite ignoring all of Machiavelli's pre-conditions for the successful occupation of a foreign country. And we can say with 99.9% confidence that between 95% and 99% of Uberers couldn't tell a normal distribution from a chi-squared test. Nor their arse from their elbow."
Submitted by Dolson (user info) at 2007-04-26 21:07:13 EDT (#)
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What we're saying is that...uh...you see...if there's a deadline...the enemy...you see...they'll...they'll...follow us back to here...in America...uh...Daddy?
Submitted by Wildman (user info) at 2007-04-26 20:22:55 EDT (#)
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Reviews lacking ANY independent thought, below.
Submitted by deelo (user info) at 2007-04-26 20:14:41 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2007-04-26 19:33:03 EDT (#)
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I was sitting and clicking through my channels when Dubya came on the screen, smiling and waving and looking like the chimp he is.
I had to change the channel otherwise I would have put my foot through the screen.
Anymore when I see Georgie, I just want to kick him in the face.
Submitted by polyamorousaj (user info) at 2007-04-26 19:26:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2007-04-26 18:16:58 CDT (#)
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74% of those polled believe that I can get in your pants within 5 minutes past introductions.
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It's cheating if you crawl up the leg, Shlongy.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2007-04-26 19:16:58 EDT (#)
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74% of those polled believe that I can get in your pants within 5 minutes past introductions.
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2007-04-26 18:21:18 EDT (#)
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Shit, sorry for the spite, it's not average americans I'm aiming at...blah blah blah, you know what I mean. It's a fucking mess, that's what I think I should have said. It's a fucking mess.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-26 18:19:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2007-04-26 18:10:07 EDT (#)
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I remember a time on uber when I said the US will lose this war hands down and for the next three months I had nothing but hate emails and nasty -2's.
Now here we are a few years later and it's the yanks saying 'the US will lose this war hands down.'
Big surprise. Not to be overly offensive here, but did the US ever stand for anything? The more I think on it, Give us your tired is more poetry than substance. More propaganda than creed.
I don't give a flying fuck about america--you're all too full on prescription meds, McDonalds, shitty pop culture and gunpowder to ever think for yourselves--It makes me sick inside when I think of your country, as useless as it is, and as armed to the teeth as it is.
Getting to the point (because anti american sentiment will get me a free pass to gitmo) I think what the US needs is a 'gunday' you know--on monday every household with firearms should make sure to send their kids to school with some loaded weapons, all the kids will be instructed by the teacher to shoot any other students they might see (including themselves but only with their last bullet), when the final bell rings I'm sure all the dead kids and bloody classrooms would serve as a very effective visual lesson on violence, stupidity and the consequences of getting into situations that should never be gotten into.
Good idea for sure, but history proves that there's nothing more enticing to a yankee idiot than a hopeless, savage situation in a country 'begging' for american styled freedom. Who can resist?
On a side note, writing 'freedom' next to 'american' makes me want to throw up on your flag.
Not sorry.
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Legend.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-26 18:13:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2007-04-26 17:58:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-26 14:50:17 PDT (#)
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hmmm...
I will state for the record that:
"not just ignorant, but WILLFULLY ignorant."
...would have been funny and clever all on its own. You killed it by trying to hard.
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I didn't want to be 'lazy'.
Oh come on rob, you're just being negative for the sake of being negative, drop the pretense.
I guess I must have really hurt your feelings yesterday.
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Actually that was why I re-stated my case.
You certainly didn't hurt my feelings - but I admit I do find you to be a constant disappointment so it's clear I do care about what you have to say in some fleeting capacity.
I've often stated that we would get along just fine without all of the silly pretense, but you keep dragging it along.
Your tendency to be an opportunistic little prick annoys me - but that isn't as bad as your continued attempts to marginalize what it is I am trying to say.
So until you drop the bullshit - I'm going to keep on being snarky.
Your call.
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2007-04-26 18:10:07 EDT (#)
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I remember a time on uber when I said the US will lose this war hands down and for the next three months I had nothing but hate emails and nasty -2's.
Now here we are a few years later and it's the yanks saying 'the US will lose this war hands down.'
Big surprise. Not to be overly offensive here, but did the US ever stand for anything? The more I think on it, Give us your tired is more poetry than substance. More propaganda than creed.
I don't give a flying fuck about america--you're all too full on prescription meds, McDonalds, shitty pop culture and gunpowder to ever think for yourselves--It makes me sick inside when I think of your country, as useless as it is, and as armed to the teeth as it is.
Getting to the point (because anti american sentiment will get me a free pass to gitmo) I think what the US needs is a 'gunday' you know--on monday every household with firearms should make sure to send their kids to school with some loaded weapons, all the kids will be instructed by the teacher to shoot any other students they might see (including themselves but only with their last bullet), when the final bell rings I'm sure all the dead kids and bloody classrooms would serve as a very effective visual lesson on violence, stupidity and the consequences of getting into situations that should never be gotten into.
Good idea for sure, but history proves that there's nothing more enticing to a yankee idiot than a hopeless, savage situation in a country 'begging' for american styled freedom. Who can resist?
On a side note, writing 'freedom' next to 'american' makes me want to throw up on your flag.
Not sorry.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2007-04-26 17:58:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-26 14:50:17 PDT (#)
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hmmm...
I will state for the record that:
"not just ignorant, but WILLFULLY ignorant."
...would have been funny and clever all on its own. You killed it by trying to hard.
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I didn't want to be 'lazy'.
Oh come on rob, you're just being negative for the sake of being negative, drop the pretense.
I guess I must have really hurt your feelings yesterday.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-26 17:50:17 EDT (#)
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hmmm...
I will state for the record that:
"not just ignorant, but WILLFULLY ignorant."
...would have been funny and clever all on its own. You killed it by trying to hard.
The defense rests.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-26 17:41:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2007-04-26 17:24:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-26 14:04:41 PDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 16:57:32 EDT (#)
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not just ignorant, but WILLFULLY ignorant.
See, that raises it from a Class B felony, to a Class A felony.
When Crown Attorney Rob Berg brings this case before Judge Rob Berg, don't be surprised when Judge Rob Berg instructs the jury of Rob Bergs to find you guilty and deserving the maximum sentence.
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Seems you have a little fan Caul. It's very cute - yet painfully dumb.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-26 17:27:39 EDT (#)
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"was" is the key word in that sentence, my man. "was".
then she met me.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2007-04-26 17:24:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-26 14:04:41 PDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 16:57:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2007-04-09 08:45:57 EDT (#)
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put up or shut up fuckhead
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um... no.
I've put up, you've ignored it - in fact you have declared you don't even read what I am saying.
Hardly my fault yer lazy, combative and (as a result) ignorant.
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not just ignorant, but WILLFULLY ignorant.
See, that raises it from a Class B felony, to a Class A felony.
When Crown Attorney Rob Berg brings this case before Judge Rob Berg, don't be surprised when Judge Rob Berg instructs the jury of Rob Bergs to find you guilty and deserving the maximum sentence.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 17:24:02 EDT (#)
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i thought she was a pure virgin
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-26 17:22:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 17:13:18 EDT (#)
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hey rob, i got the last word...CAN U RESIST, FATTY?
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nope.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2007-04-26 17:17:54 EDT (#)
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I support victory over humorless twats that think camwhores obscure their idiocy. Twats like Lisa.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-26 17:17:19 EDT (#)
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what are you talking about? she's kinky as fuck. we used to smear our shit all over each other and play slip n slide.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 17:13:18 EDT (#)
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hey rob, i got the last word...CAN U RESIST, FATTY?
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-26 17:11:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 17:05:54 EDT (#)
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you are full of shit then
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then you are full of shit
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 17:07:42 EDT (#)
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i bet you're talking about your turds to turn off lisa and stop her from calling ur house in tears every night.
i do that too but i just shit on their pillows
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-26 17:06:24 EDT (#)
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i've been eating more fiber lately and my poops have been awesome. some of them are so big and long that they go down the hole and are still long enough to stick out of the water. when i flush, you can see them struggle to go down. one of them was as big as my forearm. i had to break it up with a shovel before flushing.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 17:05:54 EDT (#)
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you are full of shit then
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-26 17:04:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 16:57:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2007-04-09 08:45:57 EDT (#)
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put up or shut up fuckhead
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um... no.
I've put up, you've ignored it - in fact you have declared you don't even read what I am saying.
Hardly my fault yer lazy, combative and (as a result) ignorant.
Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2007-04-26 17:01:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-04-26 21:02:29 BST (#)
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God, what did we start here!
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I preferred our retarded banter. Oh well.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 16:57:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2007-04-09 08:45:57 EDT (#)
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put up or shut up fuckhead
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-26 16:53:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 16:42:02 EDT (#)
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I know I'm not full of shit and I also know there is no convincing you of anything so what could possibly be the point? """
still waiting for that link...surely you must remember saying that 'same shit' somewhere.
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I remember just fine.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 16:43:28 EDT (#)
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hey, no1hasdis...my alleged alter!
how are u?
WHOA! I'M TALKING TO MYSELF!
SCHIZOWNED!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 16:42:02 EDT (#)
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I know I'm not full of shit and I also know there is no convincing you of anything so what could possibly be the point? """
still waiting for that link...surely you must remember saying that 'same shit' somewhere.
Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2007-04-26 16:12:10 EDT (#)
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Dear Robbie,
You are full of shit.
Your Pal,
no1hasdis
xoxoxo
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-04-26 16:02:29 EDT (#)
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God, what did we start here!
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-26 15:51:18 EDT (#)
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"i'm not curious, i just know you are full of shit."
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Which, by the way, is exactly why I don't bother responding in the way you'd like me to.
I know I'm not full of shit and I also know there is no convincing you of anything so what could possibly be the point?
Silly boy.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-26 15:44:37 EDT (#)
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"we all know you're full of shit"
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Who exactly is on your team?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 15:25:03 EDT (#)
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try not venture too much out of wikipedia next time you use google to make it look like you know you're talking about, rob
or better yet, just keep saying we are all stupid and don't know how wise and brilliant you are.
either way, just don't pull your head out of your ass, moron
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 15:21:29 EDT (#)
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i'm not curious, i just know you are full of shit.
you are not even up to date with news in your own country. haha, i tried to have a discussion on national unity with you and you used 'facts' from an article you pulled off from a MEDIA WATCHDOG website that points out IGNORANCE statements in the ROC to promote separatistm. fucking moron...i didn't want to mention it at the time cuz it was so embarassing to see.
i doubt you even know how the US governement and its branches work.
keep talking about ignorance like a 15 years old pothead, we all know you're full of shit
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-26 15:00:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 14:53:27 EDT (#)
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then enlighten me. i'm not talking about your vague crap about how we are ignorant and how the world would be a better place if we all lived like Ewoks. provide a link where you speak of that subject in particular and bring up those facts specifically.
then you can say we say the same 'shit'. in the mean time, shut your trap fatty cuz i don't want to be associated to you.
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I will not.
You have chosen to remain ignorant to what I have been saying this whole time - NOW (inexplicably) you are curious as to what I have to say?
HAH!
You are a delightful joke.
Submitted by whiskey_jack (user info) at 2007-04-26 14:55:05 EDT (#)
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The only chance we have for victory in Iraq lies with one man...Captain fuckin' Planet!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 14:53:27 EDT (#)
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then enlighten me. i'm not talking about your vague crap about how we are ignorant and how the world would be a better place if we all lived like Ewoks. provide a link where you speak of that subject in particular and bring up those facts specifically.
then you can say we say the same 'shit'. in the mean time, shut your trap fatty cuz i don't want to be associated to you.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-26 14:40:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 14:37:53 EDT (#)
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whatever you say, mr. vague
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whatever YOU say, cptn. ignorant.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 14:37:53 EDT (#)
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whatever you say, mr. vague
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-26 14:36:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 14:32:01 EDT (#)
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so you never said that
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I say that sort of shit all.the.time.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 14:32:01 EDT (#)
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so you never said that
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-26 14:26:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 14:13:15 EDT (#)
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I say that shit all the time.
In fact, you consistently make fun of me for saying such things. """
where did you actually say that specifically? link please.
all you do is state the obvious like that we are ignorant and think that will magically solve everything. let's just talk about food, i'm sure famine will solve itself on its own! woohoo!
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HAHA!
If you are 'actually' curious about what I have to say all you have to do is:
(..are you ready for this?)
(...seriously, it's tricky so prepare yourself...)
Start reading what I have to say.
But you won't. You've already made up your mind about me AND you are on some sort of self imposed mission so why would I bother doing a tap dance for you?
That's silly.
Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2007-04-26 14:21:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Life101 (user info) at 2007-04-26 17:26:45 BST (#)
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Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2007-04-26 05:12:52 EDT (#)
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The survey, which polled 1,004 individuals in late April, has a margin of error of three percentage points.
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What a balanced survey.
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Polls for the most part are correct if done right...
That 37% would be who though?
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I'm not disputing the rightness of the poll or whatever. All I'm saying is that any arguments on this post are all bullshit since the title is based on the opinion of 300 people.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 14:13:15 EDT (#)
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I say that shit all the time.
In fact, you consistently make fun of me for saying such things. """
where did you actually say that specifically? link please.
all you do is state the obvious like that we are ignorant and think that will magically solve everything. let's just talk about food, i'm sure famine will solve itself on its own! woohoo!
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-26 14:06:52 EDT (#)
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"you're misreading on purpose"
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HA!
Welcome to my world. At least I bother reading it, sunshine.
Submitted by FartSmeller (user info) at 2007-04-26 14:06:17 EDT (#)
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Counter-argument
Submitted by FartSmeller (user info) at 2007-04-26 14:06:03 EDT (#)
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Argument
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-26 14:05:30 EDT (#)
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oh, and before you blow a gasket - of course I agree with you that EVERYone is accountable for enabling Bush to rush off to war. I say that shit all the time.
In fact, you consistently make fun of me for saying such things.
Irony at its best.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 14:05:08 EDT (#)
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You know just as well as I do that to say that Bush (and by default his administration) has been accountable for his (their) actions is stupid"""
NO SHIT!
if i only said that, that would be the case but the sentence was a comparison with the very people who elected and supported his policies and now shy away from the responsability of their choices.
you're misreading on purpose, you clueless baboon.
Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-04-26 14:02:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-26 14:00:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 13:47:57 EDT (#)
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"you can call me dumb all you like but that is a fact."
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Again with your suspect comprehension. I never called YOU dumb... only that:
"Someone is lacking accountability and it's not the president." Was a dumb statement.
You don't need an argument as to why that statement is dumb - you spent the last couple comments 'qualifying' it.
You know just as well as I do that to say that Bush (and by default his administration) has been accountable for his (their) actions is stupid.
Period.
Oh, and I do agree with Apollo about your summary, you make some great points. You just had a particularly dumb one in there that I thought I would highlight.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 13:50:10 EDT (#)
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you must be dumb and ignorant like me, apollo.
rob said so. you won't know why cuz you don't know shit about him cuz if u did, u'd be like "whoa!"
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 13:47:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-26 13:39:06 EDT (#)
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I just thought I would be opportunistic. That was a dumb statement - and taken out of context it looked even dumber.
I know you know actually think that - at least not that simplistically but it made me smile.
hehe, and really - why pretend you have any idea what I will or will not elaborate on? You know fuck all about me - yer too busy being a smug combative dick to learn.
Carry on.
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haha, typical laughable rob_berg comment.
"I have no argument to provide or leg to stand on so I'll just call you dumb and say you know fuck all about me"
the president isn't an all-powerful god. he has even less powers than our prime minister and his governmetn is actually more transparent than ours. he has to have support. he didn't go to war alone and if 80%+ were against it instead of for it, i doubt the situation would be what it is today.
you can call me dumb all you like but that is a fact.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-04-26 13:40:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 13:23:44 EDT (#)
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2000, america is divided...bush is supported by only a small majority
2001, after 9/11, bush has record support for a president for obvious reasons
2002, still banking on 9/11...starts talking shit about Iraq, people are excited
2003, everyone is gung ho. he invades Iraq with support FDR wouldn't have dream of having. lands on aircraft carrier, america celebrates.
2004, iraq is not going as well as planned. mmmm, maybe it wasn't such a good idea. it might be just a lull, bush is reelected
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2007 BUSH IS HITLER. HE LIED TO US AND PLANNED 9/11 AND PROBABLY GLOBAL WARMING TOO!
Someone is lacking accountability and it's not the president.
LET'S CRUCIFY OUR CHAMPION! WOOHOO!"""
that's the most intelligent summing up of this mess i've seen since I spoke about it.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-26 13:39:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 13:33:30 EDT (#)
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of course u won't elaborate and will jsut say i'm ignorant.
i mean, it's obvious the guy got elected on his own and that all of his policies weren't supported by other elected officials. he's a fucking emperor and we can't do anything about it.
i'm not saying he's an angel, i just wonder how millions people can wash their hands and blame it on a man who's submitted to a democratic process they proud themselves of.
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I just thought I would be opportunistic. That was a dumb statement - and taken out of context it looked even dumber.
I know you know actually think that - at least not that simplistically but it made me smile.
hehe, and really - why pretend you have any idea what I will or will not elaborate on? You know fuck all about me - yer too busy being a smug combative dick to learn.
Carry on.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 13:33:30 EDT (#)
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of course u won't elaborate and will jsut say i'm ignorant.
i mean, it's obvious the guy got elected on his own and that all of his policies weren't supported by other elected officials. he's a fucking emperor and we can't do anything about it.
i'm not saying he's an angel, i just wonder how millions people can wash their hands and blame it on a man who's submitted to a democratic process they proud themselves of.
Submitted by FartSmeller (user info) at 2007-04-26 13:32:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Lisa (View user info) at 2007-04-26 05:10:19 EDT
Victory over WHAT?
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I'm shocked that with all the news about the war in Iraq that you don't know what's going on. Brief summary:
After the capture (and eventual hanging) of Saddamm Hussein, Iraq's brutal former dictator, a power vaccuum left by his removal from power has opened the way for anyone with a gun and a following to take the reigns. This is unacceptable for two reasons: one, because the average Iraqi citizen does not abide by nor should they be forced to live under such oppression, and two, because a stable democracy in the Middle East would benefit the entire world in innumerable ways.
However, establishing said democracy is exceedingly difficult in that region. The reason for that is that the nation of Iraq is comprised primarily of three major sects of the religion of Islam: the Sunnis, the Shiites, and the Kurds. Each group decrees that if a new government is set up in Iraq, they should be the ones to have complete control and religious authority with respect to said government. That sounds like a fair trade, but each group's interpretation of the "true" moral code of Islam is different, and so no one group will conced full power to another.
The United States, and its allies, are attempting to facilitate the integration of the three sects. Meanwhile, another presence in the area is disrupting those efforts: several terrorist groups, most notably Al Quaeda (spelling varies). Oddly, though terrorists number only several thousand among a population of 29 million, the capacity of a handful of people to cause huge civil disruption is very great when you factor in that they hold the civilian population of their own country to have no value whatsoever.
In conclusion, when individuals speak of "victory" in Iraq, they are referring first and foremost to the establishment of a free and STABLE democratic government in that country, because a stable form of government would prove to be the ultimate defeat for the aforementioned terrorist groups.
Now you know! Unless you were simply attempting to be sarcastic with your "Victory over what" comment, in which case I would submit to you that attempting sardonic wittiness by employing uninformed-sounding one-line quips based on polling that is half-assed at best is no way to get a point across.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2007-04-26 13:31:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by loki (user info) at 2007-04-26 09:43:38 PDT (#)
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Don't something on the order of 60% of the population believe that the planet has been visited by aliens?
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Not to mention that they think Elvis is still alive....AND HE IS BECAUSE I SAW HIM LAST NIGHT ON TEH AMERICAL IDOLZ111!!!!!!!!
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-26 13:26:39 EDT (#)
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"Someone is lacking accountability and it's not the president."
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Probably one of the stupider things Caul has ever said.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 13:23:44 EDT (#)
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2000, america is divided...bush is supported by only a small majority
2001, after 9/11, bush has record support for a president for obvious reasons
2002, still banking on 9/11...starts talking shit about Iraq, people are excited
2003, everyone is gung ho. he invades Iraq with support FDR wouldn't have dream of having. lands on aircraft carrier, america celebrates.
2004, iraq is not going as well as planned. mmmm, maybe it wasn't such a good idea. it might be just a lull, bush is reelected
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2007 BUSH IS HITLER. HE LIED TO US AND PLANNED 9/11 AND PROBABLY GLOBAL WARMING TOO!
Someone is lacking accountability and it's not the president.
LET'S CRUCIFY OUR CHAMPION! WOOHOO!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 13:10:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-04-26 12:42:33 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 12:38:02 EDT (#)
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oh poor little public who was presented established facts?! :~( as pointed out before, that argument didn't work at Nuremberg. "we were lied too...it's not our fault, boo hoo".
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No, in Nuremberg it was established that genocide is not ok even if your superiors order it.
That has nothing to do with believing in bad intel.
I can't believe I just responded to yet another comment comparing (in a round about way) Bush to hitler. I guess I must be a gigantic fan of primiere bush.
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i never compared bush to hitler. i just told you it's retarded.
let me use another simplier analogy...if someone jumps off a bridge, will you too?
you have no proof it's bad intel. on the other hand, thorpe is saying the public was lied to, that it's all the governmetn fault. what i'm saying is that politicians lie all the time, that the public is responsible and that saying "i was lied too, Bush is evil" is not an excuse for a war you wanted. if anything, i'm DEFENDING your government and asking all those americans who were so gung ho in 2003 to step up to the plate and stop hiding behind false excuses.
what's so hard to udnerstand
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-26 13:07:47 EDT (#)
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51% voted for Bush.
36% think this...(cough) 'war' is winnable.
I guess on the bright side America seems 15% slightly less retarded.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2007-04-26 12:43:38 EDT (#)
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Don't something on the order of 60% of the population believe that the planet has been visited by aliens?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-04-26 12:42:33 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 12:38:02 EDT (#)
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oh poor little public who was presented established facts?! :~( as pointed out before, that argument didn't work at Nuremberg. "we were lied too...it's not our fault, boo hoo".
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No, in Nuremberg it was established that genocide is not ok even if your superiors order it.
That has nothing to do with believing in bad intel.
I can't believe I just responded to yet another comment comparing (in a round about way) Bush to hitler. I guess I must be a gigantic fan of primiere bush.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 12:41:09 EDT (#)
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i have to jet...what we can learn from thorpe is that those poor innocent american people who were all gung ho for war were lied to and that Bush is Evil cuz he manipulated THE ENTIRE WORLD!
*cue Darth Vader theme*
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 12:38:02 EDT (#)
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oh poor little public who was presented established facts?! :~( as pointed out before, that argument didn't work at Nuremberg. "we were lied too...it's not our fault, boo hoo".
how many times in a year do you think your own politicians mask their real intentions with 'established facts'? how about...all the fucking time? in the end, it's up to the public to make its choices. governments don't move with zero support.
"""if the public had been so obviously lied to, heads would've been cut off." Now you're the naive one. How do you explain the election results then, unless the majority of the public has actually adopted your idea that they are responsible because they were gullible, and have therefore decided to let the politicians responsible for exploiting their gullibility off the hook? """
that not evey what i said and your conclusion doesn't make any sense. i know that at 16 years old you think everything is simple, but it's not.
can you pls stop embarassing yourself?
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2007-04-26 12:30:36 EDT (#)
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I am disappointed in myself, I have been fairly successful recently in avoiding stupid pissant conversations like these.
Submitted by Life101 (user info) at 2007-04-26 12:26:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2007-04-26 05:12:52 EDT (#)
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The survey, which polled 1,004 individuals in late April, has a margin of error of three percentage points.
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What a balanced survey.
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Polls for the most part are correct if done right...
That 37% would be who though?
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2007-04-26 12:26:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-27 02:19:13 EST (#)
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Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2007-04-26 12:13:32 EDT (#)
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No, I thought you may have been quoting it in the semi-sarcastic *finger inverted-commas* way, which would have been ridiculous when it's a completely black and white issue, when it comes to what was told to the public.
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it's not black and white. if the public had been so obviously lied to, heads would've been cut off.
the public wanted to believe this. the nuance is...it's not the governments fault, it's ours collectivly for being so gullible.
i clearly remember when a reporter asked Rumsfield "sir, you lied to the population...what are you gonna do about it?" he bluntly retorted was "what are YOU gonna do about it?"
we will all miss donald.
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It's not black and white in the sense that no-one can prove Bush and the rest knowingly misled the public, though it can come pretty close. It is black and white though in the sense that what came out of their mouths didn't come close to the truth - this is what the public had access to, and it was presented as established fact.
"if the public had been so obviously lied to, heads would've been cut off." Now you're the naive one. How do you explain the election results then, unless the majority of the public has actually adopted your idea that they are responsible because they were gullible, and have therefore decided to let the politicians responsible for exploiting their gullibility off the hook?
I can't even tell what you're trying to prove anymore.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-26 12:22:13 EDT (#)
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ah...i see....well then, fuck it. let's just blame jewish bankers or something.
Submitted by indoninja (user info)