Ron Paul TROUNCES Opponents in GOP Debate...Yet Gets Almost ZERO Face Time (2999 hits)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (View user info) at 2007-05-04 04:55:12 EDT
That's right, RON PAUL won the debate according to MSNBC's own online poll by an astounding 10% over Mitt Romney! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18421356/ Yet, predictably, the "spin zone" pundits, sadly including Keith Olberman, only seemed able to mention the names of...pretty much everybody BUT Ron Paul.
Imagine that. The only man on that stage who is a true constitutional conservative, the only man on that stage who voted against the war from the get go, the only man on that stage who didn't pander to this "war on terror" drum beating, who talked about changing American foreign policy to stop policing the world (an idea true conservatives should be 100% behind), who talked about trusting the internet more than American mainstream media, who talked about not only cutting taxes, but abolishing the IRS and Federal Income Taxes altogether (not that they really exist in statute anyway), is not getting face time, or even his name mentioned on MSNBC except to tell their viewers in passing, "oh by the way...Ron Paul is winning in our online polling but WE say Mitt Romney won the debate. What's this based on?
That's a very good fucking question. Just what are you basing this conclusion on MSNBC pundits? Could it be that it's just the "liberal media bias" that doesn't want Ron Paul, a true conservative with a one up on even Hilary Clinton in that he voted against the war from the get go? Well, to find out, I turned to Fox News. Guess what...no Ron Paul. More McCain (Bush 3), more Giuliani (Mr. Mobster), and more Mitt Romney (Mr. Polished Interference).
Here's the bottom line, my fellow Americans...
Ron Paul looked at those cameras and pulled no punches. Of course, he was only able to answer about 4 questions, as opposed to, say, McCain, who responded to about 10 according to my rough count. When Ron Paul said that as president he wouldn't tolerate National ID Cards, or unwarranted wiretaps on Americans, and wouldn't under any circumstances abuse or abridge the right of habeas corpus, Rudy Guliani visibly LAUGHED at him in a derisive snicker. When MSNBC announced the online poll results that clearly showed Ron Paul PWNED their asses, they audibly laughed. They ridiculed this man openly.
What kind of childish pageant is this? The so-called "top 3 contenders", which have been seemingly and arbitrarily chosen for us by the media, McCain, Guliani, and Romney, get the overwhelming majority of questions and STILL can't carry a simple online poll should be indicative of something. At one point during the questioning, Chris Matthews, the moderator, asked Mitt Romney ad question, then skipped about 5 people in line to ask McCain the same question, then, as if on cue, the camera turned to Guliani, who, assuming he was about to get his "top 3 contender" moment, looked dumbfounded when Chris Matthews asked the question of another candidate instead. Very awkward, there, dipshits. You could at least TRY to make this railroading, whitewashing, bamboozlement appear legit.
As I am writing this, I am both happy and appalled that while Ron Paul was able to do what I knew he would, which is slay the opposition with a truth that didn't have to mention Ronald Reagan profusely, or conjure Al Qaeda in order to prove his conservatism, he is being swept under the rug. He did that with a sensible, calculated, articulate barrage of truth...the kind that cuts to the core of the problems with which we are faced, the kind that illustrate just how far America has deviated from what the constitution actually says.
Judging from this debate, I don't see how any conservative or even liberal democrat could but conclude that Congressman Ron Paul has by far the best chance of beating Hilary Clinton. After all, he is a constitutional conservative, which should appeal to true conservatives, and he voted against the war from day one, whereas Clinton had her head up her ass with everybody else, and in most ways, still does when it comes to bringing our soldiers home.
Maybe that's why he isn't being mentioned.
Well...you got any better ideas?
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Submitted by Spooner (user info) at 2007-05-17 17:56:12 EDT (#)
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Caul your stress levels seem pretty high. If I come off as smug, then I'll live with the fact. There's a certain kind of smugness to anybody pretending to know what's going on, even if they really, sincerely, are just as curious as anybody else. I guess the main difference, then, is that you're being a pretty complete dick. I usually try to avoid being a dick, because it's really just not that much fun. You must enjoy it, though. Is this where you come to relieve your stress? I mean, you seem pretty stressed when you're posting multiple replies in a row taking potshots at people who annoy you on the internet, and if you're not really all that stressed, I don't see why you have to take on that persona. And I'm sure there are other, healthier methods like a squeezeball or something.
And to take shots at my sexuality as if I weren't completely secure in loving cock, and all the things you can do with it, as if you hadn't tried the cock yourself, and is you weren't the visual embodiment of LimpWrist Syndrome. Caul, darling, let's be frank here. I don't think anyone's going to find you to be less of a flamer than I am. You're french, you dress well, you style your hair, you throw hissyfits like the one below. You're catty, there's really no other way to put it. You're one catty, sharply dressed flamer. As a gay man I'm capable of thinking that's kind of cute, but as you at least claim to be straight, I have to ask if you're aware of the image of yourself you project.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-05-17 13:01:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-16 13:42:30 EDT (#)
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you didn't prove anything. you only did so in your head by rephrasing.
do you have any form of education?
bah, who cares...you already do a great job embarassing yourself (see your last post)
i must go back to work, my dear appliance
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hah...what a sore loser you are.
You keep mentioning 'embarrassing' myself. In front of who? You? The digital folks that infest this site? Unlikely.
I impress myself every time I crank out a reply. The only embarrassment I ever feel about my contributions to this site might be for the odd typo or garbled bit of proofreading. I showed you up - again - and you ignore it -again- change the subject - again - and attempt to bully me - again - yet I'm the robot? Does.not.compute.Does.not.compute.Does.not.compute.
One might think you get bored of this - but you don't. Luckily as boring as your input usually is, I always find my repartee delightful.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-16 13:42:30 EDT (#)
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you didn't prove anything. you only did so in your head by rephrasing.
do you have any form of education?
bah, who cares...you already do a great job embarassing yourself (see your last post)
i must go back to work, my dear appliance
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-05-16 13:19:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-16 08:30:10 EDT (#)
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if you can change meaning of words, i'm sure you can convince yourself the earth is flat if you try real hard, rob
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I changed nothing, I simply proved I was right.
I do that a lot.
I rock.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-16 08:30:10 EDT (#)
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if you can change meaning of words, i'm sure you can convince yourself the earth is flat if you try real hard, rob
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-16 08:29:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-05-15 20:12:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-15 19:45:17 EDT (#)
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ironic, if not in the literal sense, is an incongruity between what is EXPECTED and what occurs.
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Irony is also an occurrence, result, or circumstance notable for such incongruity.
It works.
See you? You are smug. Now you calling him smug isn't ironic - you are absolutely right about that (glod star for you) - however, the fact you are annoyed by him being smug IS ironic.
But an excellent attempt professor - and all in ESL. Very impressive. I had to do research and everything.
I say many things of substantial worth - you just choose to ignore them. Willful ignorance certainly applies to you in that capacity.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-15 19:45:17 EDT (#)
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ironic, if not in the literal sense, is an incongruity between what is EXPECTED and what occurs. emphasis on the word expected here.
i'm not sure if you understand the nuance, but ironic doesn't work - at all.
a smug person being smug by calling others smug is not ironical at all. if anything, it's only the normal course of things.
loki made an actually good post, i don't remember the title in which she talked about people like you who don't seem to understand what irony means but use it for every sauce. you should read it, cuz you're embarassing yourself.
then again, you are not known for saying anything worthy when you venture out of your limited vocabulary about willful ignorance.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-05-15 18:03:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-15 17:40:17 EDT (#)
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the word you're looking for is 'hypocrisy', rob.
in literature, irony is deliberate...its synonyms are sarcasm or satire. in an argument, it is unlikely that someone would sarcastically demonstrate his alleged hypocrisy.
you've been misusing that word for so long, i think it's time we stop laughing at you and someone tells you.
i have a dinner...ciao fatty
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No, it's ironic.
It's also hypocritical.
Oh, and boring.
Enjoy your dinner poopsie!
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-05-15 17:59:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-15 17:25:44 EDT (#)
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rob, you keep saying i'm boring and how much you don't care yet you run around on that website, with your dick in your hand, trying to get my attention in conversation you weren't invited to.
so which is it?
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You do tend to get a bit boring - but I'm bored and winding you up is fun - especially cuz you are running out of crappy material and producing this kind of junk.
haha... when did we start extending invitations on Ubersite?
oh... and this whole time my dick was in my hand... so... uh... both?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-15 17:40:17 EDT (#)
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the word you're looking for is 'hypocrisy', rob.
in literature, irony is deliberate...its synonyms are sarcasm or satire. in an argument, it is unlikely that someone would sarcastically demonstrate his alleged hypocrisy.
you've been misusing that word for so long, i think it's time we stop laughing at you and someone tells you.
i have a dinner...ciao fatty
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-15 17:28:30 EDT (#)
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i think someone needs to know what irony means
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-15 17:25:44 EDT (#)
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rob, you keep saying i'm boring and how much you don't care yet you run around on that website, with your dick in your hand, trying to get my attention in conversation you weren't invited to.
so which is it?
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-05-15 17:25:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-15 17:05:28 EDT (#)
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"...what bothers me is your smug teenager attitude."
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I love the irony of 'smug' bothering this fuckin' guy.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-05-15 17:22:31 EDT (#)
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spaz below
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-15 17:17:26 EDT (#)
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so let me get this straight...because someone likes to talk about politics, though i'm not sure i said anything remotely political on this post, he his condescending?
what if i talk about sport? does that make me an ignorant?
or clothes? does that me a fag?
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-15 17:05:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Spooner (user info) at 2007-05-12 09:55:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2007-05-12 01:46:40 EDT (#)
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im confused: how are you responding to me there?
btw, fucking excellent points.
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Caul said I was having a "gay fit" and criticized me and others for, basically, being ignorant kids who pretend to know more than they do.
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i don't care about what you know...what bothers me is your smug teenager attitude.
- bob is the know all googlist wiki-researcher, always dropping us some historical facts.
- thorpe is the guy who has all the right opinions on controversial issues, apparently
- Tom is our moral barometer, our Solomon...whenever there's an argument or something uncool
happening, be assured he will pop out of nowhere to put everyone in their place. ALLO MAMAN!
- and you, Spooner well, you're the little bitch who can't read for shit and who writes long ass replies about x user that don't make any sense, like two chicks at the mall bitching for hours about other chicks.
you sheltered little cunts need a good dose of reality/humility.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-15 16:56:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Spooner (user info) at 2007-05-12 01:08:04 EDT (#)
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The fact that ETS, Caul, and certain other people think that their efforts here aren't just inane cheering. They think that this a highly intellectual pursuit that will, if only we'll listen, make this country a better place.
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I think that? I don't about ETS, but I know I don't.
I like to talk about politics, like I like to talk about sports or rape. I'm not on a crusade...why should I be? It's american politics, who cares?
However, that long ass rant of yours is an example of your gay fits. I remember, you once wrote me a ten paragraph reply/sermon about my intentions on sucking cock. I read it with a big wtf look on my face, like I read this one. Clearly, in real life, no one ever tells you to stfu when you're yapping with your high-picthed voice.
Not only that, but you act like the other uber kids who think they got everything figured out about life when their own is still largely managed by their parents.
Submitted by Spooner (user info) at 2007-05-15 16:12:05 EDT (#)
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"How's this for snobbish... GO FUCK YOURSELF!
It's people like you who are going to be simpering in the fetal position when the police state knocks on your door.
You are a blind little boy. Stop sucking cock and get with the program."
See, iddqd? Told you. =)
People like ETS, in spite of people like me, are fighting to prevent a complete police state. In my inability to see the COMPLETE importance that Ron Paul be elected to office, I am a blind man, creating my own fate.
Also I need to stop sucking cock and go fuck myself. Really, I think I'd make that trade. I've seen someone fuck themselves on pornotube and it looks fun.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-13 02:40:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Spooner (user info) at 2007-05-12 01:08:04 EDT (#)
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They carry an air of snobbish condescension that needs to be held in check with reminders that, really, in the end, it's not that big of a goddamn deal.
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How's this for snobbish... GO FUCK YOURSELF!
It's people like you who are going to be simpering in the fetal position when the police state knocks on your door.
You are a blind little boy. Stop sucking cock and get with the program.
Submitted by Spooner (user info) at 2007-05-12 09:55:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2007-05-12 01:46:40 EDT (#)
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im confused: how are you responding to me there?
btw, fucking excellent points.
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Caul said I was having a "gay fit" and criticized me and others for, basically, being ignorant kids who pretend to know more than they do.
It wasn't just in response to you, but I quoted your post because the way you replied made it look like you agreed with him.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2007-05-12 01:46:40 EDT (#)
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im confused: how are you responding to me there?
btw, fucking excellent points.
Submitted by Spooner (user info) at 2007-05-12 01:18:48 EDT (#)
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By "Posts like these," I mean ETS' post, not iddqd's post. I'm just responding to his support of Caul's post.
Submitted by Spooner (user info) at 2007-05-12 01:08:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2007-05-08 01:44:34 EDT (#)
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oh man, im going to quebec to have gay relations with this guy.
by that i mean we will both get married and have sons and our sons will get married.
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Posts like these, and people like this, annoy me because there's a central characteristic to them that annoys me. It's not that I think politics are unimportant. I'm interested in politics. I read the news, I'm watching the races, I'm going to vote. I'm more politically informed than the average American. But I understand the actual effect this election will have on the government. I understand the actual effect the government has on my ability to lead a fulfilling and happy life. In both cases, it's not near enough to throw the entire weight of my body into a candidate, and choose to live and die with his poll numbers, as some people choose to waste their life doing. No matter who wins, all the people I love will continue to be. All my favorite books will continue to be. All my favorite food will continue to be. Essentially, all the things that I would say make my life a wonderful one are, at their root, wholly unaffected by this election or the government in general. They're not going to disappear if the wrong person wins. The reach the government has into these things, for myself, and for most people, is minuscule. Not non-existent, however, and sometimes more prevalent for others than for myself, and for that reason I do follow elections, I do follow debates on important issues, and I do vote.
Anyone who follows politics will understand the ability of some people to fetishize a candidate, and in their zeal turn what should be a discussion of ideas and policies into a debate over people, people who are essentially windsails or pawns, whichever metaphor you prefer. It's by this that politics becomes a pseudo-sport, and we all become sports fans. Worse than sports fans, because in this people think their blind loyalty really will make this country a remarkably better place and that their idiotic cheering is the height of intelligent conversation. It's conceited, and at the root, that's the thing that annoys me. The fact that ETS, Caul, and certain other people think that their efforts here aren't just inane cheering. They think that this a highly intellectual pursuit that will, if only we'll listen, make this country a better place. It's conceited. It demonstrates a curious sense of superiority that is completely unjustified. They carry an air of snobbish condescension that needs to be held in check with reminders that, really, in the end, it's not that big of a goddamn deal.
There are other little reasons, but that's pretty much the heart of it. And the thing is, ETS and others will respond to this by reiterating just how important it is that Ron Paul will win, and what an amazing different he'll make, and they'll condescend to me for not taking such serious matters so lightly, and in doing this they'll only prove my point.
Submitted by Anansie (user info) at 2007-05-11 10:52:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-05-09 16:12:56 EDT (#)
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Don't know if you have seen this or not... it's interesting.
http://www.duggmirror.com/politics/Yahoo_Answers_Why_is_Ron_Paul_being_excluded_from_Yahoo_s_Full_Coverage/
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-08 17:35:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-05-08 12:01:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-05-05 04:47:04 EDT (#)
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McCain seems al'right to me.
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you've been to Jersey too? crazy place, huh?
every republican running seems slimy as fuck except Ron Paul, who seems better than any candidate in any party right now.
i'll give you a +1 for Ron Paul, ETS, but you still get a point deducted for being completely insane.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-08 09:47:09 EDT (#)
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by that i mean we will both get married and have sons and our sons will get married. """
wow, that's almost as inbred as quebec.
i'm in!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-08 09:45:50 EDT (#)
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you are delusional
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-08 09:45:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-08 00:53:14 EDT (#)
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Caul, maybe everyone will stop playing their part in this pageant if you stop being the "guy who observes everyone else, therefore is most wise".
We can't excape who or what we are, froggy. We live and learn. No one is perfect. You cannot obscure your own shortcomings with those of others.
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oh yes i'm so wise...stfu
i don't claim to be politically enligthen like you do and i don't call everyone who doesn't have the same views as me "sleep-walking retards who deserve to die" like you do.
how ironic of you
why don't you have another violent outbursts about how we are nothing but sheeps that are inferior to you instead of telling us that no one is perfect?
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2007-05-08 03:46:09 EDT (#)
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jesus
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-08 03:19:07 EDT (#)
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http://abcnews.go.com/politics/beseenbeheard/popup?id=3135373&POLL288=4000000
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2007-05-08 03:03:57 EDT (#)
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Caul can't handle how much of a cool cat I am pretending to be. Just chill out, Alain. Let the good times roll.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2007-05-08 01:44:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-07 09:29:10 EDT (#)
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i think ETS is crazy in the head, but Spooner needs to shut his trap and stop having "gay fits"
there seems to be a trend with college kids to act like they are cool and collected (when they aren't), that they have perpective and that they have all the answers.
it's almost as aggravating than it was seeing jaypeg act like he's people.
whether it's thrope, Tom, bob or Spooner...the 17 years old need to stfu.
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oh man, im going to quebec to have gay relations with this guy.
by that i mean we will both get married and have sons and our sons will get married.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-08 00:53:14 EDT (#)
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Caul, maybe everyone will stop playing their part in this pageant if you stop being the "guy who observes everyone else, therefore is most wise".
We can't excape who or what we are, froggy. We live and learn. No one is perfect. You cannot obscure your own shortcomings with those of others.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-07 11:33:07 EDT (#)
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it wasn't intended to hurt. i'm voicing my observation. stop playing the laid back guy.
all those patronizing virgins who are still sheltered by their mom&dad need a lesson of humility.
i would recommend repeated punches to the face.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2007-05-07 09:40:49 EDT (#)
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Right where it hurts, Caul, right through the heart.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-07 09:29:10 EDT (#)
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i think ETS is crazy in the head, but Spooner needs to shut his trap and stop having "gay fits"
there seems to be a trend with college kids to act like they are cool and collected (when they aren't), that they have perpective and that they have all the answers.
it's almost as aggravating than it was seeing jaypeg act like he's people.
whether it's thrope, Tom, bob or Spooner...the 17 years old need to stfu.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-05-05 19:23:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-05-05 04:47:04 EDT (#)
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McCain seems al'right to me.
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Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-05-05 18:41:23 EDT (#)
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p.p.s i may be even drunkeer!!!!!!!!!!!!! or drunker, dunno which
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-05-05 18:35:22 EDT (#)
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YAY FUCK OFF CUNT FACE!! WE ARE GOING UP YAY PLUS 2 PRICK HEAD.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2007-05-05 18:28:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-05-05 04:47:04 EDT (#)
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McCain seems al'right to me.
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"I'LL FOLLOW HIM TO THE GATES OF HELL!"
And then he smiles at the camera.
Submitted by Spooner (user info) at 2007-05-05 18:15:19 EDT (#)
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I can't say I do personally, no, but if you're not this high strung in real life, then I would avoid the computer. It does not bring out your best nature.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-05 18:06:26 EDT (#)
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Eh, you don't even know me.
Submitted by Spooner (user info) at 2007-05-05 17:58:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Spooner (user info) at 2007-05-05 04:41:23 EDT (#)
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Nooooooooo one cares.
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Speak for yourself. Better yet, go play with your hand-turkeys and let the adults speak.
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Oh, the adults? Oh yes, very important conversation, what with the politics and all. Why, if you don't make this post, the world might end. I'm serious. If certain people are not elected, it is entirely conceivable that rifts in spacetime will spread and, meeting with the rifts in timespace, obliterate us all.
Yes, discussing politics is VERY IMPORTANT.
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And I suppose a black hole would appear on earth if you stopped making your juvenile hand turkeys?
Shut the fuck up. Effeminate infant.
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Now I sure don't act like it would, do I? I mean I know I take joy in creating them and am just tickled pink when others seem to enjoy them as well, I've never used many grandiose terms to describe their superiority and importance.
Maybe you should relax a little. Don't let politics angry up your blood so much. Read some comics.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-05 17:51:26 EDT (#)
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effeminate infant...lol
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-05 17:39:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Spooner (user info) at 2007-05-05 13:03:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-05 05:03:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Spooner (user info) at 2007-05-05 04:41:23 EDT (#)
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Nooooooooo one cares.
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Speak for yourself. Better yet, go play with your hand-turkeys and let the adults speak.
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Oh, the adults? Oh yes, very important conversation, what with the politics and all. Why, if you don't make this post, the world might end. I'm serious. If certain people are not elected, it is entirely conceivable that rifts in spacetime will spread and, meeting with the rifts in timespace, obliterate us all.
Yes, discussing politics is VERY IMPORTANT.
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And I suppose a black hole would appear on earth if you stopped making your juvenile hand turkeys?
Shut the fuck up. Effeminate infant.
Submitted by Spooner (user info) at 2007-05-05 13:03:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-05 05:03:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Spooner (user info) at 2007-05-05 04:41:23 EDT (#)
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Nooooooooo one cares.
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Speak for yourself. Better yet, go play with your hand-turkeys and let the adults speak.
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Oh, the adults? Oh yes, very important conversation, what with the politics and all. Why, if you don't make this post, the world might end. I'm serious. If certain people are not elected, it is entirely conceivable that rifts in spacetime will spread and, meeting with the rifts in timespace, obliterate us all.
Yes, discussing politics is VERY IMPORTANT.
Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2007-05-05 11:00:14 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-05-05 10:20:44 EDT (#)
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Curious on your opinion...
UNAUTHORIZED LINKWHORE!!!
"Monkeys With Guns"
http://www.ubersite.com/m/101399
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-05 05:03:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Spooner (user info) at 2007-05-05 04:41:23 EDT (#)
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Nooooooooo one cares.
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Speak for yourself. Better yet, go play with your hand-turkeys and let the adults speak.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-05 05:00:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-05-05 04:47:04 EDT (#)
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That's not cool with me. However, I have to admit, I don't know how accurate any of that is.
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I believe he's pro life. He is an OBGYN. A doctor who has delivered more than 4000 babies. Stands to reason. But it's not a major issue with him. He doesn't even list it in his "issues" section of his presidential campaign site: http://www.ronpaul2008.com/html/Issues_fx.html
Besides, I will tell you like I told Loki:
http://www.ubersite.com/m/101402#2403697
I'll add to that review as well by saying that Ron Paul is about LIMITED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, meaning he's an advocate of state's rights.
You have to understand something very few people really realize because of media hype... The president has very little influence on this issue either way. The congress makes the laws, not the president. The president is merely the Commander in Chief of the military and directs foreign policy. He is charged, constitutionally, with "defending the constitution United States against all enemies foreign and domestic". He's not there to tell people whether or not they should have abortions or even the RIGHT to an abortion, a gay marriage, or whatever the issue may be. Now, he can appoint people to positions that may influence these issues such as the Supreme Court, but you're missing the forest for the trees if you're focusing on these intentionally divisive issues the media wants us to focus on.
Look at this man's voting record. Watch some of these videos I'm showing you, and keep in mind that the last thing Ron Paul wants to do as a libertarian is give the Federal government the power to make your decisions for you.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-05 04:47:44 EDT (#)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzFMo6w-hsk&mode=related&search=
There's a longer version of the previous video, Ron Paul on Iraq.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-05-05 04:47:04 EDT (#)
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I dunno, ETS... McCain seems al'right to me.
Not the BEST choice, but better than a lot of others.
Granted, I had never heard of this "Ron Paul" individual until the fine folks here at Uber started talking about him.
However, on Razors's Post, I read some stuff that bothered me about him...
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Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-05-04 14:16:31 EDT (#)
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...but he's socially conservative, and I will never vote for someone who wants to overturn Roe, refuse even civil unions for gay couples, dismantle welfare (Although the system definitely needs reworking), etc
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That's not cool with me. However, I have to admit, I don't know how accurate any of that is.
Submitted by Spooner (user info) at 2007-05-05 04:40:42 EDT (#)
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Nooooooooo one cares.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-05 04:39:28 EDT (#)
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Ron Paul, Texas Republican slams Bush "demented philosophy of conquest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZmPS0XmeBw&mode=related&search=
This is the kind of speech Ron Paul gives on the floor of the house of representatives on a weekly basis. Take a guess why you haven't heard of him before...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-05 04:18:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-05-05 03:12:26 EDT (#)
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Ummm, I kinda don't mind McCain...
**runs away and hides**
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hahahaha
Ironically, I just responded to Thorpe on this same issue on Razor's post: http://www.ubersite.com/m/101402#2403915
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2007-05-05 03:13:47 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-05-05 03:12:26 EDT (#)
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Ummm, I kinda don't mind McCain...
**runs away and hides**
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-05 02:41:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by manic_impressive (user info) at 2007-05-04 22:03:28 EDT (#)
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Ron Paul will be killed by means of a controlled demolition. Charges have already been planted in his body.
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heh. Now this made me laugh. :D
Touche.
Submitted by manic_impressive (user info) at 2007-05-04 22:03:28 EDT (#)
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Ron Paul will be killed by means of a controlled demolition. Charges have already been planted in his body.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 21:54:33 EDT (#)
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i'm not saying Ron Paul is another Alex Jones fad. I'm saying you seem to have only ONE source of info.
all right, i'm too happy to argue.
VOTE FOR THE JIG! http://www.ubersite.com/m/101416
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-05-04 21:38:47 EDT (#)
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Le +2 is because ETS is a sharp dude. None of you know a fucking thing about politics, so STFU.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-04 21:12:36 EDT (#)
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http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/05/debate_wrap_up.html
Read the reviews to that post, Caul. It's not just me endorsing Ron Paul. And, no, it's not some Alex Jones marching order. To suggest so is to suggest that I am incapable of my own opinions, and that pretty much insults me.
All I've done here is expressed my approval of the man and asked others to take a look at him.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-04 20:54:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-04 20:03:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 19:54:37 EDT (#)
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i wondered why ETS was suddenly interested in something else than 9/11.
so i went to his favorite website, which he's been pasting articles almost word for word for more than a year and SURPISE! http://infowars.com/articles/us/vote_08_gop_debate_ron_paul_speaks_truth.htm
does alex jones pay you ETS?
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No one pays me dude. I just love my country and I am aware that we are being screwed. That said, I do listen to Alex Jones Quite a lot and consider him a kindred spirit of sorts. He endorses Ron Paul as a true conservative (NON NEO-CON) who is talking about making a real difference, namely stopping this nation-building foreign policy and this big government, welfare state created by and necessitated by the Federal Reserve System.
Don't take my word for it. Just listen to the man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji_G0MqAqq8&mode=related&search=
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 19:54:55 EDT (#)
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i wondered why ETS was suddenly interested in something else than 9/11.
so i went to his favorite website, which he's been pasting articles almost word for word for more than a year and SURPISE! http://infowars.com/articles/us/vote_08_gop_debate_ron_paul_speaks_truth.htm
does alex jones pay you ETS?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 19:44:32 EDT (#)
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seriously ETS, for a guy who claimed to be badly treated by the Uber crowd, I have to say that you are perhaps the user with which Uberers have the shortest memory. i know the syntax of that sentences sucked ass, but i find Uber's "forgives" you a lot quicker than it has with others who still can't shake off an image because of one or two comments.
Eric Rice would beeen happy to have that pardon.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 19:09:46 EDT (#)
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Obviously you guys need to resurrect FDR.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2007-05-04 19:06:36 EDT (#)
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This may have been mentioned earlier, but is it possible that Ron Paul only did so-so, but no one had heard of him before? That's the way the poll seems to be set up. I've seen numerous polls and none had Paul higher than #3.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 19:06:18 EDT (#)
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the liberal party is the conservative party here, so wtf, eh?
in the end, all parties claim political affiliations that they rarely follow cuz once in the driver seat, they realize the car is already doing 200 mph and that it's not so easy to steer in another direction so out the windows goes their pretty initinary and they just concentrate on avoiding immidiate obstacles.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 19:02:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-04 18:42:48 EDT (#)
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Listen to me now, because I think a lot of people need to understand this...
"Conservatism" and "neo-conservatism" are two TOTALLY different things. You shouldn't confuse the bought and paid for politicians like Bush and co. with true conservatives who call for less nation-building and less government interference in our personal lives.
There is a vast difference.
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we don't need to understand this. it's just a label. there isn't much meaning left in 'conservative' or 'liberal' nowadays. it's pretty much a designation of parties. we know what type we're referring too in the end.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-04 18:48:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by polyamorousaj (user info) at 2007-05-04 13:52:43 EDT (#)
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Per your voter registration question below, they should allow you to change your party affiliation at the door. I do it almost every caucus depending on who's running. Sometimes I'll swing across party lines to try and steal votes away from a candidate I don't like.
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Each state is different. I suggest anyone doing this as I am do it now instead of later.
You all know me, I am probably the most cynical and suspicious person there is when it comes to politicians and the political system, but I think if true republicans really take a look at Ron Paul, they'll realize he really is this country's best shot at real progress and by far their best chance of beating the pants off the corporate-run democrats.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-04 18:42:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-05-04 14:14:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 14:05:08 EDT (#)
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they won't listen to him, Bob. most of them will go vote and we'll have a new TRANSATLANTIC SECURITY TAG TEAM!!!
Bush got elected at the wrong time...the G8 leaders seem to become more and more conservative and pro-american.
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Yea its not cool. Why is Europe become more conservative? Sweden voted out the democratic socialists, france might elect a Bush-type...STOP IT PEOPLE. Europe needs to be the bastion of liberalism until the US gets smarter.
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Listen to me now, because I think a lot of people need to understand this...
"Conservatism" and "neo-conservatism" are two TOTALLY different things. You shouldn't confuse the bought and paid for politicians like Bush and co. with true conservatives who call for less nation-building and less government interference in our personal lives.
There is a vast difference.
Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-05-04 16:47:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 14:40:17 EDT (#)
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i went to pensylvania when i was a kid. i don't remember anything about it.
i remember more about detroit and i was younger.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2007-05-04 14:29:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by polyamorousaj (user info) at 2007-05-04 13:52:43 EDT (#)
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Per your voter registration question below, they should allow you to change your party affiliation at the door. I do it almost every caucus depending on who's running. Sometimes I'll swing across party lines to try and steal votes away from a candidate I don't like.
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Must be an Iowa thing. We have a deadline to register in Pennsylvania, which is like 6 weeks before the election in question.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2007-05-04 14:26:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 13:46:06 EDT (#)
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so if you're registered a republican to pick a candidate...you can't vote democrat when comes the actual election?
WHOA!
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Yes you can. A democrat can vote for a republican, and vice-versa - but only in the general (fall) election.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 14:23:10 EDT (#)
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even Canada is getting more conservative.
though that could be attributed to the decreasing quality of liberal leaders.
Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2007-05-04 14:15:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 14:07:52 EDT (#)
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and there are lightyears between le pen and sarko, btw
le pen is fucking nuts.
IT'S ALL THE BROWN PEOPLE'S FAULT! AAAAAAAAARGH!
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I know, I'm just fucking around. Le Pen was hilarious, I can't believe he got as far as he did last time. Le Pen would have been right at home in Vichy France during the forties. Actually, he probably would have stuck around the occupied North.
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-05-04 14:14:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 14:05:08 EDT (#)
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they won't listen to him, Bob. most of them will go vote and we'll have a new TRANSATLANTIC SECURITY TAG TEAM!!!
Bush got elected at the wrong time...the G8 leaders seem to become more and more conservative and pro-american.
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Yea its not cool. Why is Europe become more conservative? Sweden voted out the democratic socialists, france might elect a Bush-type...STOP IT PEOPLE. Europe needs to be the bastion of liberalism until the US gets smarter.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 14:07:52 EDT (#)
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and there are lightyears between le pen and sarko, btw
le pen is fucking nuts.
IT'S ALL THE BROWN PEOPLE'S FAULT! AAAAAAAAARGH!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 14:06:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2007-05-04 14:02:06 EDT (#)
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OR THE TERRORISTS AND HOMOSEXUALS WIN
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i look arabic and i suck dick so that doesn't scare me.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 14:05:08 EDT (#)
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they won't listen to him, Bob. most of them will go vote and we'll have a new TRANSATLANTIC SECURITY TAG TEAM!!!
Bush got elected at the wrong time...the G8 leaders seem to become more and more conservative and pro-american.
BUSH IS A MARTYR! GIVE HIM A THIRD CHANCE PLEASE!
Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2007-05-04 14:02:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 13:51:20 EDT (#)
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!!ALL VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2008!!
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REPENT YOU IMMORAL, DEGENERATE HEATHENS!
VOTE BUSH/JESUS 2008!
OR THE TERRORISTS AND HOMOSEXUALS WIN
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-05-04 14:01:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2007-05-04 14:00:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 13:48:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2007-05-04 13:44:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 13:03:36 EDT (#)
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VOTE SARKOZY!
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HE LIES! VOTE ROYAL FOR CHANGE!
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BANLIEUE SCUM! SARKO FTW!
SARKO + BUSH = WORLD SECURITY!
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SARKO IS A LE PEN WANNA-BE! ROYAL OR REVOLUTION!
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LE PEN TOLD HIS 4 MILLION VOTERS NOT TO VOTE BECAUSE HE KNOWS SARKO IS A CHEAP RIP OFF!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 14:01:51 EDT (#)
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you're ontarian no1hasdis...how do you all that caca?
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-05-04 14:01:03 EDT (#)
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Yea I watched the debate...Ron is a very interesting fellow. Although he is socially conservative, he seems to have a head on his shoulders, which is suprising since 3 of his fellow republicans dont believe in evolution.
Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2007-05-04 14:00:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 13:48:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2007-05-04 13:44:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 13:03:36 EDT (#)
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VOTE SARKOZY!
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HE LIES! VOTE ROYAL FOR CHANGE!
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BANLIEUE SCUM! SARKO FTW!
SARKO + BUSH = WORLD SECURITY!
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SARKO IS A LE PEN WANNA-BE! ROYAL OR REVOLUTION!
Submitted by polyamorousaj (user info) at 2007-05-04 13:52:43 EDT (#)
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Per your voter registration question below, they should allow you to change your party affiliation at the door. I do it almost every caucus depending on who's running. Sometimes I'll swing across party lines to try and steal votes away from a candidate I don't like.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 13:52:33 EDT (#)
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why change Bush...i got used to him.
fuck it...BUSH FOR KING!
Submitted by FartSmeller (user info) at 2007-05-04 13:52:27 EDT (#)
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This just in:
The media is selective in who they give airtime to. Last week it was Hillary and Obama, this week it's Mitt Romney and Juliani. Next week it will be the emu and Captain Kangaroo. You know how fickle the media can be.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 13:51:20 EDT (#)
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!!ALL VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2008!!
Submitted by polyamorousaj (user info) at 2007-05-04 13:51:14 EDT (#)
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well put
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 13:48:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2007-05-04 13:44:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 13:03:36 EDT (#)
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VOTE SARKOZY!
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HE LIES! VOTE ROYAL FOR CHANGE!
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BANLIEUE SCUM! SARKO FTW!
SARKO + BUSH = WORLD SECURITY!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 13:46:06 EDT (#)
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so if you're registered a republican to pick a candidate...you can't vote democrat when comes the actual election?
WHOA!
Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2007-05-04 13:44:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 13:03:36 EDT (#)
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VOTE SARKOZY!
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HE LIES! VOTE ROYAL FOR CHANGE!
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2007-05-04 13:41:17 EDT (#)
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TTOM: Every year we have two elections. A primary election in the spring (the date varies from state to state) and a general election in the fall.
The primary elections are the party elections. This is where all of the Democratic candidates go up against Democrats, and Republicans go up against Republicans. The winner from each party moves onto the fall election to face off against the winners from the opposite parties.
Our third parties are so small, that it's rare that they have primary elections. They usually only pull 2%+/- of the votes in the general elections, which is usually enough to hurt one of the big-party candidates.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2007-05-04 13:35:31 EDT (#)
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Meant to +1 this so this +2 does so
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2007-05-04 13:34:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2007-05-04 17:46:50 BST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-04 05:27:45 EDT (#)
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I'm changing my party affiliation to from Independent to Republican to vote in the primary. Can I do that now I wonder?
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So...what, you guys have to register to vote with a party and then have to vote for that party? I dont get it.
Over here we just turn up and put the x wherever the hell we feel like it, if we can be even arsed to turn up. Most people dont.
Scottish Parliment elections were yesterday, I voted Green. Not that I think theyll ever get in or would even do a good job, its just that Labour are corrupt, the Conservatives hate anyone that makes less than 50gs a year, the Liberals are wishy washy useless twats, I wont vote Scottish National becuase independence is a BAD idea and the Socialists are fucking mental. So Green protest vote it is.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 13:03:36 EDT (#)
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VOTE SARKOZY!
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2007-05-04 12:50:04 EDT (#)
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I would venture to say that Paul would be a viable candidate for vice-president. Romney & Rudi are both northerners. They would need a southerner on their ticket to carry the south.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2007-05-04 12:46:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-04 05:27:45 EDT (#)
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I'm changing my party affiliation to from Independent to Republican to vote in the primary. Can I do that now I wonder?
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Yes. The presidential primary isn't until May of 2008, so you have a lot of time. I don't know how your state's election laws go, but in PA you have up until like 6 weeks before an election to register to be elegible.
You may want to contact his campaign, through their website, to see if workers are needed in your area. If you get onboard early, you could be a chief rather than an indian.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2007-05-04 12:17:09 EDT (#)
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"I don't think this is at all correct. I heard about Ron Paul on the internet. I've been following him for about the past 2 years because of the internet. So, at least in my case, this is wholly inaccurate. The only reason I watched the debates was because I knew he was gonna be on there. I am going to, if possible, change my party affiliation so I can vote in the primary. I'd say the internet had a pretty powerful affect on me.
And how many of you already knew about Ron Paul because of my crazy posts?
Honestly, man, please don't profess to tell me what kind of affect I can and can't have in a given medium. I happen to think the internet is the present and future of communication, especially mass communication. For Christ's sake, I met my wife on the internet!"
Good point, I take what I said back.....I just mean don't start acting like you do with the wtc crap if all you're doing is posting about the guy on ubersite
Submitted by MidnightToSix (user info) at 2007-05-04 12:11:40 EDT (#)
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I'd like to believe there is some hope for sane candidates at this point in time, just because hope is necessary to keep a good outlook on things. I'd support this guy, however, my voting life has shown me that it is nothing more than a farce to keep the people pacified.
Let's be honest. Why do the other candidates sneer and laugh? Because it really is humorous to them. They know that he can't really think he could end up President, and if he does, then he really is loony. Call me jaded. I know I am. The fact is, the corporations and 'elite', the oligarchy that runs America, will determine who the next president will be. That's all there is to it. The 'process' of elections in America is just a flashy show to let the people believe they live in a democracy.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-04 10:53:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2007-05-04 10:44:14 EDT (#)
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PS there is nothing, absolutely nothing*, that you can do online that I would consider helping him in any serious way.
*apart from donating money to his campaign.
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I don't think this is at all correct. I heard about Ron Paul on the internet. I've been following him for about the past 2 years because of the internet. So, at least in my case, this is wholly inaccurate. The only reason I watched the debates was because I knew he was gonna be on there. I am going to, if possible, change my party affiliation so I can vote in the primary. I'd say the internet had a pretty powerful affect on me.
And how many of you already knew about Ron Paul because of my crazy posts?
Honestly, man, please don't profess to tell me what kind of affect I can and can't have in a given medium. I happen to think the internet is the present and future of communication, especially mass communication. For Christ's sake, I met my wife on the internet!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-04 10:48:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2007-05-04 10:28:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2007-05-04 09:22:07 EDT (#)
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I bet you have to wipe down your screen 8 times a day from all the excited spittle/jism you launch at it.
online poll?? You must realise how epistemologically flawed that is?
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So is an arbitrary assertion by the pundits at MSNBC that Mitt Romney was somehow the "break out candidate" of the debate. My question would be, what the hell are they basing THAT on? They don't even have so much as an online poll to go by, however flawed. And if they didn't think it was worthwhile, why would they endorse the poll in the first place by placing it on their website? Why put it there if you're not going to try and use it in your analysis of home viewers and their reactions anyway?
See what I mean.
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Coz it's a good way of getting people to go to their website and feel like they're interacting? All the while, taking in the adverts.
I don't think you say 'well - we didn't have a good measure - so we just used any one - it's better than nothing'
If you draw data from a flawed source, it's still invalid and/or unreliable.
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Again...all I can do is direct you to my previous review. Nothing more I should have to add to that for you to get it.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2007-05-04 10:44:14 EDT (#)
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1. I would be real fucking suprised if 'they' assasinated him, though they will probably all gang up on him politically if he starts to do well.
2. Online polls, especially in the usa, don't mean much.
But, it seems you may have acutally got a decent candidate, so don't let him lose....I hoe you of all people will be trying to help him out.
PS there is nothing, absolutely nothing*, that you can do online that I would consider helping him in any serious way.
*apart from donating money to his campaign.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2007-05-04 10:28:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-04 15:25:55 BST (#)
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Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2007-05-04 09:22:07 EDT (#)
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I bet you have to wipe down your screen 8 times a day from all the excited spittle/jism you launch at it.
online poll?? You must realise how epistemologically flawed that is?
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So is an arbitrary assertion by the pundits at MSNBC that Mitt Romney was somehow the "break out candidate" of the debate. My question would be, what the hell are they basing THAT on? They don't even have so much as an online poll to go by, however flawed. And if they didn't think it was worthwhile, why would they endorse the poll in the first place by placing it on their website? Why put it there if you're not going to try and use it in your analysis of home viewers and their reactions anyway?
See what I mean.
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Coz it's a good way of getting people to go to their website and feel like they're interacting? All the while, taking in the adverts.
I don't think you say 'well - we didn't have a good measure - so we just used any one - it's better than nothing'
If you draw data from a flawed source, it's still invalid and/or unreliable.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-04 10:25:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2007-05-04 09:22:07 EDT (#)
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I bet you have to wipe down your screen 8 times a day from all the excited spittle/jism you launch at it.
online poll?? You must realise how epistemologically flawed that is?
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So is an arbitrary assertion by the pundits at MSNBC that Mitt Romney was somehow the "break out candidate" of the debate. My question would be, what the hell are they basing THAT on? They don't even have so much as an online poll to go by, however flawed. And if they didn't think it was worthwhile, why would they endorse the poll in the first place by placing it on their website? Why put it there if you're not going to try and use it in your analysis of home viewers and their reactions anyway?
See what I mean.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-05-04 10:13:05 EDT (#)
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the salient line here is 'top 3 candidates arbitrarily chosen by the media'.
100% agree.
Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2007-05-04 09:55:56 EDT (#)
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I felt the same way while watching
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2007-05-04 09:42:42 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2007-05-04 09:22:07 EDT (#)
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I bet you have to wipe down your screen 8 times a day from all the excited spittle/jism you launch at it.
online poll?? You must realise how epistemologically flawed that is?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-05-04 09:11:20 EDT (#)
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Ru Paul?
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-05-04 08:54:37 EDT (#)
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with ya
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2007-05-04 07:58:52 EDT (#)
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Didn't catch the debate. Not that it matters in the big picture.
Paul seems like a half-decent candidate. His biggest problem is that he lacks $$$.
One thing to bear in mind with the online polls: 1/2 of the people voting in them are NOT Republicans, therefore they will vote for the weakest candidate in order to queer up the poll.
Submitted by messmind (user info) at 2007-05-04 07:58:37 EDT (#)
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this was very informative :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4kxTkhwR_Q&mode=related&search=
Still, no opinion to share on this, i'll keep reading. greetz!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-04 07:41:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2007-05-04 07:35:06 EDT (#)
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"Anyway, I really wish this guy could be our president. I swear none of you would never have to hear me bitch about politics again. "
people dont get to positions of power like that without being completely owned
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I know that with every fiber of my being, but I am gonna throw caution to the wind this time. I have to have some bit of hope somewhere.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-04 07:37:05 EDT (#)
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Ron Paul EXPOSED! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8Ze0zNF9a0&NR=1
If this is the best they've got...well this and Bill Maher...they're gonna have to assassinate him.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2007-05-04 07:35:06 EDT (#)
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"Anyway, I really wish this guy could be our president. I swear none of you would never have to hear me bitch about politics again. "
people dont get to positions of power like that without being completely owned
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-04 07:04:16 EDT (#)
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Ron Paul on Lou Dobbs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF37-9OGblw&NR=1
Ron Paul speaks out against Federal Reserve: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4kxTkhwR_Q&mode=related&search=
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-04 06:58:00 EDT (#)
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iddqd and Foolproof...
I am aware that it's all rigged and one sided. No I am not naive to that fact just because I express a bit of anger even at seeing my predictions about what would happen come true.
As much as I prepare myself for it, it never ceases to amaze me. I just hope that people see through it. I'm with Rad though...he'll be assassinated if it starts looking like he'll win, or they'll just bust out plan B. Rig the election.
Anyway, I really wish this guy could be our president. I swear none of you would never have to hear me bitch about politics again.
For the first time in my pathetic existence, I'm considering donating some money to a political campaign. I've already volunteered for any work they might have. It's exciting to think that maybe America will finally discover this guy who I've been secretly idolizing all this time.
*muses* He really did stick it to 'em.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2007-05-04 06:42:01 EDT (#)
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upon futher review of this candidates platform I have come to the conclusion that he will be assassinated, either politically or physically, before he ever sees that office.
I move to organize a milita of the people and declare martial law on washington.
Submitted by Foolproof (user info) at 2007-05-04 06:37:14 EDT (#)
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I don't watch any debates as it doesn't really say anything about the people. It just reinforces their personal agendas.
With that said, you will never find an unbaised event that has been televised because the network that runs it has to meet obligations to their stockholders, thus making money in the end. They have to make sure people will tune in for the drama, not the politics.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2007-05-04 06:36:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-04 05:22:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2007-05-04 05:11:23 EDT (#)
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calm the fuck down.
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I'm calm. What gives you the impression I'm not?
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what you mean aside from the tone of the psot, riddled as it is with bold and caps and the usual histrionics?
nothing at all.
why are you surprised by the one-sided reporting of the media? are you that naive? surely not.
you think the internet is any better?
all journalism is worthless.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-04 06:06:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by messmind (user info) at 2007-05-04 05:45:10 EDT (#)
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I'm not taking any side here, just like to read and say thx for the info...
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nah, there's no debate here. Just me venting a little bit. And you're welcome.
You should really check out some of the videos of Ron Paul. He's exactly what the doctor ordered. Excuse the pun. (He's a doctor.)
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-04 06:04:44 EDT (#)
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You wanna know why Mitt Romney was touted as the "winner" of this debate...
Investment. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2007/04/17/GR2007041700112.html
Buys a LOT of ass-kissers.
Submitted by messmind (user info) at 2007-05-04 05:45:10 EDT (#)
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I'm not taking any side here, just like to read and say thx for the info...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-04 05:35:49 EDT (#)
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Bill Maher tries to railroad Ron Paul here, and gets his ass handed to him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJzfS8ZhRSg&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJzfS8ZhRSg&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJzfS8ZhRSg&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJzfS8ZhRSg&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJzfS8ZhRSg&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJzfS8ZhRSg&mode=related&search=
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-04 05:27:45 EDT (#)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZmPS0XmeBw&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2amRHWhF0o&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-M5dWXAaic&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe-kZm3mJzw&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRf6C-w0gRE&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF37-9OGblw&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewghSVp-GIk&mode=related&search=
I'm changing my party affiliation to from Independent to Republican to vote in the primary. Can I do that now I wonder?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-04 05:22:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2007-05-04 05:11:23 EDT (#)
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calm the fuck down.
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I'm calm. What gives you the impression I'm not?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-04 05:21:36 EDT (#)
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Quoting from: http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_anthony__070503_a_clear_choice_for_a.htm
"The hypocritical moment of the night though came when the question was asked about whether Scooter Libby should be pardoned. The same republicans who bemoaned the "rule of law" when President Clinton lied under oath in a civil proceeding suddenly reversed themselves. One candidate claimed prosecutorial misconduct for even interviewing Libby. Another said that "no crime was committed." One said that Libby was convicted for having a "poor memory." Apparently they forgot what they stood for when Clinton faced impeachment. The concept is simple. The prosecutor was conducting an investigation into a federal crime of outing a covert CIA operative working to protect us from the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. We are talking about treason folks. In the course of that investigation Scooter Libby LIED to the prosecutor while under oath. Because of those lies, the investigation was damaged to the point that Fitzgerald ultimately could not charge anyone. That is why it is illegal to LIE under oath. The stench of hypocrisy was overwhelming from everyone but again, Ron Paul. Paul correctly pointed out that the true issue is that Libby's lies protected people who used faulty intelligence to justify this failed war. Kudos again to the only true conservative on stage."
I'll also add that, during the little "spin zone" punditry that followed the debate, the moderator Chris Matthews, while talking to Keith Olberman UNBELIEVEABLY said, "Not one of the candidates wanted to touch the Libby issue"!!!!
My jaw dropped at that point. The balls of these people. It's astounding how little they think of the American people's intelligence to turn around not an hour after someone had shockingly stated, as a GOP contender, that it was Libby's lies that protected the White House's unjustified warmongering.
Throughout the evening, when given a chance to speak, Ron Paul stuck out like a sore thumb from the pack...sounding like a man more concerned with telling the truth than mere posturing, a man on a mission to inform the people rather than sway them. Still, everything you see or read out of mainstream media already, even with Paul's bombshell statements of revolutionary and MUCH NEEDED truth, are saying that everyone "towed the party line on the issues".
It's surreal to watch this machine at work.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2007-05-04 05:11:23 EDT (#)
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calm the fuck down.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2007-05-04 05:06:41 EDT (#)
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I have no idea what is going on half of the time.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-04 05:05:59 EDT (#)
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Keep an eye on Ron Paul, guys... They might have to assassinate him to stop him.
Either that or just fix the primary elections.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_anthony__070503_a_clear_choice_for_a.htm
RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT!!!
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2007-05-04 05:04:04 EDT (#)
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I'll try to watch it this weekend.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-05-04 05:02:55 EDT (#)
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I urge anyone who didn't see the GOP debate check it out in its entirety and see if you concur with me.
This is unbelievable, yet so predictable it hurts.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2007-05-04 05:01:07 EDT (#)
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its coming.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2007-05-04 05:00:50 EDT (#)
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