Do attractive people know less? (1675 hits)
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Submitted by St_Jimmy (View user info) at 2007-06-18 17:03:44 EDT
Inspired by: http://www.ubersite.com/m/109330#2445831
Not too many people would deny that attractive people have always had it a bit easier than everybody else. Numerous studies have proved this rather intuitive conclusion. For example, attractive kids are graded less harshly in school [1,2]. After prescreening, the attractive applicant gets the job more often than the unattractive applicant [3]. In mock trials, attractive defendants were found guilty less often and received lighter punishments than unattractive defendants [4]. This by no means constitutes all of the work done in this area, but you get the idea. I just hate when people say "many studies have shown..." and move on without mentioning at least a couple.
So, in short, attractive people can get by without working as hard since their looks tend to make up the difference. Indeed, since time is a scarce resource, it would be illogical for an attractive person to study more and know as much as his unattractive colleague. He wouldn't need it. It would be overkill and a waste of his time. In fact, additional study may prove detrimental if the additional knowledge is unable to offset the losses incurred by "letting himself go" (i.e. weight gain, skin blemishes, etc.).
Of course all of this applies only in the most general sense. Are there attractive people graduating at the top of their class? Of course, but it has been my limited experience that the more attractive someone is, the less useful, in a technical sense, they tend to be. For me, I'm never happier than when I'm put on a team with a bunch of other "less than attractive" people. The group photo's not much to look at, but we get shit done.
Am I way off base here? Anybody out there know a whole bunch of supermodel summa cum lauds?
[1] Clifford, M., & Walster, E. (1973). The effect of physical attractiveness on teacher evaluation. Sociology of Education, 46, 248.
[2] Rich, J. (1975). Effects of children's physical attractiveness on teachers' evaluations. Journal of Educational Psychology, 67, 599-609.
[3] Dipboye, R. L., Fromkin, H. L., & Wiback, K. (1975). Relative importance of applicant sex, attractiveness, and scholastic standing in evaluation of job applicant resumes. Journal of Applied Psychology, 60, 39-43.
[4] Efran, M. G. (1974). The effect of physical appearance on the judgment of guilt, interpersonal attraction, and severity of recommended punishment in a simulated jury task. Journal of Experimental Research in Personality, 8, 45-54.
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Submitted by runamukus (user info) at 2007-06-20 14:07:42 EDT (#)
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What if you are blind?
Submitted by Anansie (user info) at 2007-06-20 12:55:22 EDT (#)
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I have some lovely attractive friends that are rather intelligent, and I've met dumbasses of every level of attractiveness. It's kind of hard to say really. I see where you are coming from because in the case of women I've had a few hot girlfriends that played dumb do get what they want but they were actually being kind of smart if you ask me. My best friend, who is gorgeous and smart, plays dumb all the time and charms the shit out of people. I don't really know where I'm going with this review.
Submitted by PerkMan (user info) at 2007-06-20 03:04:28 EDT (#)
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Well I don't know. I was cute as a little kid. Ugly as a early teen, now handsome as a college age kid.
Basically looks do matter. People that are good looking have it good. But you can be "too" good looking where everyone just fucking hates you.
I'm a I guess "cute" (I fucking hate saying this shit) guy and I'm smart. So people assume I'm aroggant, cocky, asshole without even knowing me. It fucking sucks ass. So it's a double edge sword. I have to be very humble, nice, and bassically a bitch to make people like me at first. Or else i'm just seen as a cocky guy.
Being pretty and dumb could be easier. But fuck it. I want it all'
Submitted by PerkMan (user info) at 2007-06-20 03:04:28 EDT (#)
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Well I don't know. I was cute as a little kid. Ugly as a early teen, now handsome as a college age kid.
Basically looks do matter. People that are good looking have it good. But you can be "too" good looking where everyone just fucking hates you.
I'm a I guess "cute" (I fucking hate saying this shit) guy and I'm smart. So people assume I'm aroggant, cocky, asshole without even knowing me. It fucking sucks ass. So it's a double edge sword. I have to be very humble, nice, and bassically a bitch to make people like me at first. Or else i'm just seen as a cocky guy.
Being pretty and dumb could be easier. But fuck it. I want it all'
Submitted by St_Jimmy (user info) at 2007-06-19 20:41:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Crystle (user info) at 2007-06-19 18:52:05 EDT (#)
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the hours I have spent with her doing homework would indicate that she wasn't graded easier.
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Well, after seeing this http://www.ubersite.com/m/65654
it's clear her mom's got it going on, so she's most likely pretty cute.
But wait, perhaps your daughter is the chosen one.
Crystle's daughter = smart + attractive > God
I just may start a cult centered about your offspring.
Submitted by Crystle (user info) at 2007-06-19 18:52:05 EDT (#)
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the hours I have spent with her doing homework would indicate that she wasn't graded easier.
Besides, she is in Grade school where all the answers are either right or wrong. No essays or things of that nature, really.
Submitted by St_Jimmy (user info) at 2007-06-19 16:10:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Crystle (user info) at 2007-06-19 15:30:18 EDT (#)
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my daughter just brought home straight A's.
Do I have to tell her she's ugly?
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Not necessarily. See [1] and [2]. If she's cute, the teacher may have just been grading her easier.
Submitted by Crystle (user info) at 2007-06-19 15:30:18 EDT (#)
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my daughter just brought home straight A's.
Do I have to tell her she's ugly?
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-06-19 14:46:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Orgasmatron (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:50:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Zebra (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:45:56 EDT (#)
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Fortunately, I am both good looking and intelligent.
Interesting post.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-19 14:31:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-06-19 14:14:29 EDT (#)
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Dance pretty little wooden puppet... dance!
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godamn guy, you are fucking delusional.
what a puppetteer! you answer to every single one of my comments. you mention my name more often than i even talk to you in your bitchy posts.
seek help
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-19 14:29:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-06-19 14:14:29 EDT (#)
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Ignoring them works the best.
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of course, in order for that to work, you'd have to actually ignore "them" and considering you mention my name in just about any of your posts and jump and down with yoru pompom like a cheerleader everytime i'm arguing with someone (such as in this case), you're not exactly ignoring "them".
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-06-19 14:14:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by CookieLass (user info) at 2007-06-19 13:06:39 EDT (#)
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Except that that is not what I am saying, Caul. You are not listening to the opinion I'm expressing. You are taking the words that I'm typing, erasing a verb here and a noun there, and replacing them with whatever comes to mind for you. I would love to have an actual discussion and exchange of opinions and ideas with you, but you always end up throwing a fit and putting words into my mouth. So I won't bother.
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hah!
You are handling "some users" perfectly. It is SO much easier to deal with them once you realize they are just trolling for a pointless scrap. Ignoring them works the best.
It sure is fun to watch them get all wound up an frothy like this though.
Dance pretty little wooden puppet... dance!
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-06-19 13:40:22 EDT (#)
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exactly juls.
ew to the body hair though :(
Submitted by JulsInsane (user info) at 2007-06-19 13:20:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:45:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:28:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:24:00 EDT (#)
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victoria zdrok: dr with two phds, speaks five languages fluently.
occupation: porn star.
exception to the rule most likely.
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Ron Jeremy is wicked smart too, isn't he? ;)
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dunno but he was very polite.
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He graduated from my HS, and was a High School teacher before he went into porn. Which in NYC means that he had a Masters Degree in Education.
Doesn't mean that he is a brainiac but he probably isn't that dim either, he managed to take an above average peener and below average looks and turn it into a money making machine for him.
Submitted by CookieLass (user info) at 2007-06-19 13:06:39 EDT (#)
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Except that that is not what I am saying, Caul. You are not listening to the opinion I'm expressing. You are taking the words that I'm typing, erasing a verb here and a noun there, and replacing them with whatever comes to mind for you. I would love to have an actual discussion and exchange of opinions and ideas with you, but you always end up throwing a fit and putting words into my mouth. So I won't bother.
Submitted by CookieLass (user info) at 2007-06-19 13:01:09 EDT (#)
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Caul, there were more people other than yourself using that argument. You just decided that I was singling you out because you wanted a fight because you're bored. I don't fight with you anymore, remember? If it makes you feel vindicated to think that I was speaking only to you, then you go right ahead and think that. It's no skin off of my nose.
kaos, I never expect less of him.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-06-19 12:59:35 EDT (#)
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June 19th, 2007
The day Caulaincourt's mind 'asplodes.'
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-19 12:55:05 EDT (#)
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that's because most users are fugly, seriously.
and because you aren't listening to yourselves:
"beautiful people being attracted to beautiful people = snobbish and/or superficial"
"assuming that people know less and are less competenent based on their looks = not superficial and full of sense"
only fugly people reason like that.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-06-19 12:36:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by CookieLass (user info) at 2007-06-19 11:28:48 EDT (#)
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One day, Caul, I am confident that you'll be able to get over yourself long enough to have an actual discussion and exchange of ideas with someone without throwing out a petty schoolyard insult every 5 words. You've proven yourself to be relatively coherent (barring occasional issues due to the language barrier) and it's clear that you're not a complete idiot. So why is it that you're incapable of exchanging ideas and differences with a person without pulling punches?
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Notice how just about every single user is laughing good-naturedly about this post and its content except for Caul.
Hmmm...
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-19 12:33:40 EDT (#)
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next time you address someone...please be direct
"I FIND IT REALLY INTERSESTING THAT IDIOTS WHOSE NAMES START WITH "C" AND ENDS WITH "AULAINCOURT" WHO THINK OF THEMSELVES AS BEAUTIFUL BLAH BLAH BLAH"
i don't know what's more insulting, petty name calling or that kind of passive-agressive bitching à la rob_berg
Submitted by CookieLass (user info) at 2007-06-19 11:28:48 EDT (#)
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One day, Caul, I am confident that you'll be able to get over yourself long enough to have an actual discussion and exchange of ideas with someone without throwing out a petty schoolyard insult every 5 words. You've proven yourself to be relatively coherent (barring occasional issues due to the language barrier) and it's clear that you're not a complete idiot. So why is it that you're incapable of exchanging ideas and differences with a person without pulling punches?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-19 11:23:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by CookieLass (user info) at 2007-06-19 11:03:50 EDT (#)
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It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the way that you treat people that you feel are less attractive than you, could it?
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Submitted by CookieLass (user info) at 2007-06-19 10:05:52 EDT (#)
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The less attractive individual my work harder to be accepted by and excel in society because they don't have pretty going for them.
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hypocrisy
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-19 11:17:38 EDT (#)
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oh, she didn't mention my name! nevermind the fact that i'm the only one who refuted his argument and used the pretty=dumb comment, eh? pathetic...
lol, that guy you talk about seriously embarassed himself. you should've seen the look on my collegues' faces. i am nice to everyone i work with, i'm not stupid. he assumed i was an asshole cuz i dated some hot hr chick for a couple of weeks and these women, according to people like kaos king, only fall for snobbish stupid superficial assholes..yawn.
besides, that was just an example. for the record, i'm not taking this personally. i am simply disgusted that people make a simplistic reasoning that pretty = less knowledgeable.
you could make the same kind of arguments that ugly people know less based on other factors. for instance, the stigma that comes with ugliness can hinder education. that's just one out of a hundred.
my point is that there is more to one's knowledge than how one looks, you two-bit loser. but hey, keep making that little equation of yours so that when you look in the mirror, you can tell yourself "at least i'm working harder than that girl with pant size 0"
im out
Submitted by CookieLass (user info) at 2007-06-19 11:03:50 EDT (#)
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Funny to me, Caul, that I never once called you a name, yet you sling the mud like we're running for the presidency. You can call me what you like, I don't care. You don't know me and you never will, and the people who do know me don't feel the need to act the way you do. You're not going to pull me into one of your kindergarten playground pissing matches.
I still think you're misinterpreting what Jimmy is saying. Nevermind the fact that he has actual research that he cited, actual studies done that support his argument. Just because someone called you a snob, you think it's because you're attractive and they're jealous? It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the way that you treat people that you feel are less attractive than you, could it? Something which has been put on display multiple times on this post alone, not to mention your vast history on this site.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-19 11:03:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by CookieLass (user info) at 2007-06-19 10:05:52 EDT (#)
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The less attractive individual my work harder to be accepted by and excel in society because they don't have pretty going for them.
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utterly disgusting.
do you realize that if you said exactly that outside of this online nucleus of ugliness, in real life, that you would be laughed at and called jealous losers?
just try it...go to a place that uglies tend to stay away from. like a nice club or some beach where you'll find plenty of normal folks and go explain that to them.
what a fucking loser...i think imo follow method's sound advice.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-19 10:46:51 EDT (#)
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"i think of myself as beautiful" should be "i don't think..."
i wouldn't want to anger that fat pig cookielass (voir: episode with cornnugget volume: siloh)
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-19 10:45:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by CookieLass (user info) at 2007-06-19 10:05:52 EDT (#)
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I find it really interesting that all of the users who think they're the "beautiful people" keep referencing "pretty=dumb".
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i find it really interesting that you're referring directly to me but adress me as "users" to take a litlte shot that i think of myself as "beautiful"
aren't you the pig that said somewhere that you had an "ass made out of perfect"? lol!
first of all, i think of myself as beautiful. though here and in my line of work, the people are so fucking ugly, it's hard not to feel that way.
i know jimmy is talking about being knowledgeable. i'm boiling it down to "pretty=dumb" because i find that the idea that pepole are knowledgeable based on their level of beauty is fucking retarded. there are so MANY factors that come into play when it comes to education and work performance that assuming that a person is not competent/knowledgeable because he/she is good looking is superficial, simplistic and reeks of jealousy.
i've seen that kind of "logic" happen in my work. especially with women. beautiful women that are more competent than any of their peers but that get treated like stupid secretaries who are only good at batting their eyes.
even personally, i once had an interview for a job which requirements fit me like a glove. they could've hardly find someone with my profile. but as soon as i enter the meeting room, an old fat fuck frowned and didn't even listen to half of what i said. almost foaming at the mouth, he told all kind of bs to the guy that sent me there, twisting my words and outright lying.
some nerd once lashed out at me in front of everybody at a work lunch that i was a snobbish asshole since i've started dating the hot bimbo that worked in HR and that i was trying to fuck my way up the ladder for being friendly with female collegues. it was embarassing to watch.
i deal with these people ALL day long. i know how they reason and the assumption that people who look better than them are not knowledgeable is nothing new, and in a working environment it qualifies as discrimination.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-06-19 10:20:27 EDT (#)
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actually come to think of it jerry springer and jeremy kyle are pretty much advocates for brains is directly proportional to beauty. on a large scale too.
Submitted by CookieLass (user info) at 2007-06-19 10:05:52 EDT (#)
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I find it really interesting that all of the users who think they're the "beautiful people" keep referencing "pretty=dumb". That's not what Jimmy is saying at all. He said very specifically that beautiful people have just as much capacity to learn and be intelligent, they just don't bother to in general as a rule. Because they are put on a pedestal by society for their looks, they don't have to work as hard to get the same things as the more average or unattractive human being. It's just like you mooks who say that fat girls have to have a personality because it's the only way people can keep themselves from vomiting every time they go out into public. The less attractive individual my work harder to be accepted by and excel in society because they don't have pretty going for them. Therefore, they must become more knowledgeable to beat out the competition.
I can say from personal experience that I will take more crap off a hot guy than I will of a non-hot guy. Hell, I dated a total and complete bastard for nearly 2 years based solely on the fact that he was pretty.
Pretty does not equal dumb. Pretty equals "WTF, I'm not reading all that!"
Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-06-19 08:59:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by CHR15 (user info) at 2007-06-19 05:02:18 EDT (#)
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The post was interesting but also seriously dumb, the comments are worse. The ugly users have no idea what it is like to be attractive and seem to be actively encouraging the thought that attractive people are stupid, I would guess because they really have nothing else to make themselves feel good about being unnatractive.
Of course the truth is that this post highlights a stereotype and says have at it, but we all know that it's not really the way it works in the real world, there are plenty of attractive intelligent people and even more dumb ugly people.
Submitted by Stagger_Lee (user info) at 2007-06-19 04:24:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2007-06-19 16:53:22 EST (#)
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Jessica Simpson is completely hot now that she has pro-active dripping from her face.....
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WHAT on her face?
Submitted by JoeyG (user info) at 2007-06-19 04:13:47 EDT (#)
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Now thats research...
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-06-19 04:12:25 EDT (#)
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I can imagine (just about) getting Jessica Simpson into my bed ravishing her and then her tearing her face off to reveal a werewolf. Therefore I shall never be sleeping with Jessica Simpson.
Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2007-06-19 02:53:22 EDT (#)
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Jessica Simpson is completely hot now that she has pro-active dripping from her face. I'd blow my premature ejaculate all over her thigh and so would all of you so don't pretend like you think she's gross.
Keep it real, internet losers.
Submitted by particle_man58 (user info) at 2007-06-19 02:47:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Stagger_Lee (user info) at 2007-06-18 21:54:27 EDT (#)
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MAN CHIN SHE HAS MAN CHIN
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That bitch is practically a robot
Submitted by i_can_get_you_a_toe (user info) at 2007-06-18 22:06:07 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2007-06-18 22:00:51 EDT (#)
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Not in my case.
Submitted by Stagger_Lee (user info) at 2007-06-18 21:54:27 EDT (#)
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MAN CHIN SHE HAS MAN CHIN
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-06-18 21:23:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:41:55 EDT (#)
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kaos_king is also a proof that attractive people can be hurt by their own looks when it's time to be serious.
i heard about a study on radio, they said that being good-looking helps tremendously cuz people will tend to assign you good qualities. if you're TOO good-looking however, people automatically assume that you are dumb, unfaithful, snobbish, arrogant...etc
imagine you look better than most people, surely you'll get a lot of sore losers like kk who'll despise you.
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I so love the way you take a single sentance and twist it all around until you have ammunition for a new lil' faggotty whine-fest.
Keep babbling Caul... it just makes you look even more stupid.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2007-06-18 21:17:40 EDT (#)
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"The law of minimum effort for maximum return requires that beauty and intelligence be combined." - Jubal Harshaw (Robt. Heinlein)
It is possible to combine the two; it's not even rare. I know - I married that girl. Also: clearly what is judged to be "beautiful" and "intelligent" differ by the gender. I'm pretty smart, but I am admittedly not pretty.
Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2007-06-18 20:54:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by experima (user info) at 2007-06-18 18:08:43 EDT (#)
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this is completely ridiculous. Marilyn vos Savant is very attractive. and if you don't know who she is, then you aren't very "knowledgable."
here, I'll save the googlists some time. http://www.marilynvossavant.com/bio.html
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hey, isn't that Frasier's ex wife?
Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2007-06-18 20:38:01 EDT (#)
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supermodel summa cum laud = natalie portman. me.
Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2007-06-18 20:04:14 EDT (#)
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No wonder I'm so smart.
Submitted by SgtHartman (user info) at 2007-06-18 18:21:07 EDT (#)
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alright, alright I will concede, she's not bad for an older lady.....damn I am such a softy.
Submitted by experima (user info) at 2007-06-18 18:12:13 EDT (#)
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oh, now she's not skeletor...she's older, but she's pretty for an older lady :)
Submitted by SgtHartman (user info) at 2007-06-18 18:10:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by experima (user info) at 2007-06-18 18:08:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:55:09 EDT (#)
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PS: There is a negative correlation between attractiveness and IQ if I am not mistaken...dont have time to find it though.
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this is completely ridiculous. Marilyn vos Savant is very attractive. and if you don't know who she is, then you aren't very "knowledgable."
here, I'll save the googlists some time. http://www.marilynvossavant.com/bio.html
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why did you put up a link to skeletor's website??
Submitted by experima (user info) at 2007-06-18 18:08:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:55:09 EDT (#)
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PS: There is a negative correlation between attractiveness and IQ if I am not mistaken...dont have time to find it though.
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this is completely ridiculous. Marilyn vos Savant is very attractive. and if you don't know who she is, then you aren't very "knowledgable."
here, I'll save the googlists some time. http://www.marilynvossavant.com/bio.html
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-18 18:07:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by St_Jimmy (user info) at 2007-06-18 18:00:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:33:01 EDT (#)
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you and people like kaos king make looks some kind of simplistic barometer of intelligence: pretty = dumb, which is seriously stupid.
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Actually, that's not what I'm doing. I very specifically avoided using terms like smart, dumb, intelligent and stuck to knowledgable.
Smart and dumb are terms which speak to one's ability to learn. Knowledgable is concerned with what you know. For example, look at the ten year old with excellent grades. He's probably pretty smart (has the ability to learn), but he's not very knowledgable since he's only been around ten years.
I'm saying that it's been my experiance that pretty people don't know as much. That only relates to what they have already learned, not to their ability to learn.
They haven't learned as much because they can get similar results while knowing less.
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well i'm by far the prettiest guy in my office (i work in IT, it's no great feat) and i know more technically than any of my collegues. :-Þ
not because i'm particularly smart but because i wasn't too socially awkward to use opportunities.
personally, the most successful, sane, educated and overall great peole i know happen to be good-looking. i don't know if taht's a coincidence but i know that for having worked with hundreds of fat nerds, ugliness does seem to affect someone's psyche over time.
Submitted by St_Jimmy (user info) at 2007-06-18 18:00:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:33:01 EDT (#)
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you and people like kaos king make looks some kind of simplistic barometer of intelligence: pretty = dumb, which is seriously stupid.
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Actually, that's not what I'm doing. I very specifically avoided using terms like smart, dumb, intelligent and stuck to knowledgable.
Smart and dumb are terms which speak to one's ability to learn. Knowledgable is concerned with what you know. For example, look at the ten year old with excellent grades. He's probably pretty smart (has the ability to learn), but he's not very knowledgable since he's only been around ten years.
I'm saying that it's been my experiance that pretty people don't know as much. That only relates to what they have already learned, not to their ability to learn.
They haven't learned as much because they can get similar results while knowing less.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-18 18:00:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:55:09 EDT (#)
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PS: There is a negative correlation between attractiveness and IQ if I am not mistaken...dont have time to find it though.
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go for it, googlist
Submitted by scourge (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:58:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:55:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Zebra (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:45:56 EDT (#)
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If a child is taught by word and deed he or she is good looking, and such attractiveness is a desirable trait, the natural inclination is to use that as a tool to achieve one's goals.
It's nurture more than nature, and education is key to proper development.
Just as larger, stronger children are likely to use their physical advantage without restraint unless they are taught otherwise, a good looking child needs to be taught to develop their intelligence regardless of physical appearance.
When one relies too heavily on a particular atribute, it's easy to neglect the development of others.
The 'dumb/beautiful' stereotype can become a self fulfilling prophecy when the attractive child's reliance on their looks combines with the lowered expectations of those around them.
For everyone who excels in spite of such circumstances, there are others who sink because of them.
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Sounds good to me.
PS: There is a negative correlation between attractiveness and IQ if I am not mistaken...dont have time to find it though.
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your googlist powers fail you today, eh?
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:55:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Zebra (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:45:56 EDT (#)
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If a child is taught by word and deed he or she is good looking, and such attractiveness is a desirable trait, the natural inclination is to use that as a tool to achieve one's goals.
It's nurture more than nature, and education is key to proper development.
Just as larger, stronger children are likely to use their physical advantage without restraint unless they are taught otherwise, a good looking child needs to be taught to develop their intelligence regardless of physical appearance.
When one relies too heavily on a particular atribute, it's easy to neglect the development of others.
The 'dumb/beautiful' stereotype can become a self fulfilling prophecy when the attractive child's reliance on their looks combines with the lowered expectations of those around them.
For everyone who excels in spite of such circumstances, there are others who sink because of them.
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Sounds good to me.
PS: There is a negative correlation between attractiveness and IQ if I am not mistaken...dont have time to find it though.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:50:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by St_Jimmy (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:39:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:33:01 EDT (#)
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some people make the weirdest correlations.
the fact that attractive people get free passes is unrelated to their knowledge or skills.
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I disagree. If they're getting a free pass, why should they push themselves to know more or increase their skills?
If you can have a mediocre knowledge of the subject matter, take a test, and receive an excellent mark because you're so pretty, where's your motivation to attain a superior knowledge of the subject matter?
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first, one's looks, especially when you're a kid in school change continually. the hottest girl i know was a fat fucking pig when she was 6. second, there are other factors that can build a kid's confidence or hurt it such as friends, his own IQ, initial grades, home education...etc
you and people like kaos king make looks some kind of simplistic barometer of intelligence: pretty = dumb, which is seriously stupid.
being superficial doesn't only mean loving pretty people. it means judging by looks only, which is what you're doing.
what i argue with kaos_king is that he shouldn't call women superificial bitches when tons of his posts consist of hot celebrities.
Submitted by Orgasmatron (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:50:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Zebra (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:45:56 EDT (#)
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Fortunately, I am both good looking and intelligent.
Interesting post.
Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:49:17 EDT (#)
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I have to disagree. Jessica Simpson was smart enough to take out a restraining order on me.
Submitted by St_Jimmy (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:46:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:41:55 EDT (#)
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i heard about a study on radio, they said that being good-looking helps tremendously cuz people will tend to assign you good qualities. if you're TOO good-looking however, people automatically assume that you are dumb, unfaithful, snobbish, arrogant...etc
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Good point. I suppose you can always have too much of a good thing. The optimum usually lies somewhere between the extremes.
imagine you look better than most people, surely you'll get a lot of sore losers like kk who'll despise you.
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I suppose that's also true, but I'd bet for every kk, you'd have 20 guys/girls trying to buy you a drink.
Submitted by Zebra (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:45:56 EDT (#)
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If a child is taught by word and deed he or she is good looking, and such attractiveness is a desirable trait, the natural inclination is to use that as a tool to achieve one's goals.
It's nurture more than nature, and education is key to proper development.
Just as larger, stronger children are likely to use their physical advantage without restraint unless they are taught otherwise, a good looking child needs to be taught to develop their intelligence regardless of physical appearance.
When one relies too heavily on a particular atribute, it's easy to neglect the development of others.
The 'dumb/beautiful' stereotype can become a self fulfilling prophecy when the attractive child's reliance on their looks combines with the lowered expectations of those around them.
For everyone who excels in spite of such circumstances, there are others who sink because of them.
Fortunately, I am both good looking and intelligent.
Interesting post.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:45:41 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/109330#2446049
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:45:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:28:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:24:00 EDT (#)
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victoria zdrok: dr with two phds, speaks five languages fluently.
occupation: porn star.
exception to the rule most likely.
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Ron Jeremy is wicked smart too, isn't he? ;)
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dunno but he was very polite.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:41:55 EDT (#)
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kaos_king is also a proof that attractive people can be hurt by their own looks when it's time to be serious.
i heard about a study on radio, they said that being good-looking helps tremendously cuz people will tend to assign you good qualities. if you're TOO good-looking however, people automatically assume that you are dumb, unfaithful, snobbish, arrogant...etc
imagine you look better than most people, surely you'll get a lot of sore losers like kk who'll despise you.
i work in the IT world...when ugly people unite against someone it's...well, ugly. women get a particularly bad treatment.
"OMG! SHE DIDN'T LOOK AT ME! WHAT A BITCH INCOMPETENT SNOB WHO WAS ONLY HIRED FOR HER ASS!"
Submitted by St_Jimmy (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:39:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:33:01 EDT (#)
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some people make the weirdest correlations.
the fact that attractive people get free passes is unrelated to their knowledge or skills.
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I disagree. If they're getting a free pass, why should they push themselves to know more or increase their skills?
If you can have a mediocre knowledge of the subject matter, take a test, and receive an excellent mark because you're so pretty, where's your motivation to attain a superior knowledge of the subject matter?
Submitted by SgtHartman (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:36:17 EDT (#)
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Photo filename kills me, but somehow turns me on too,
cause Id have to show her.....
Submitted by scourge (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:33:47 EDT (#)
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is this why i don't do shit, but i keep getting promotions, raises, and blowjobs?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:33:01 EDT (#)
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some people make the weirdest correlations.
the fact that attractive people get free passes is unrelated to their knowledge or skills.
you could argue that ugly kids have learning disabilities due to a lack of confidence or being distracted, as we see so often in schools, by all the teasing.
since you conveniently provided no reference to your "additional study" that attractive people won't study because it equals to "letting themselves go", i will provide none to the well-known study that attractive people are far more successful than ugly people.
in a world where social skills and bullshit prones, ugliness - with all it entails - is likely to make you miss a lot of opporutinities and therefore...competence.
Submitted by Crystle (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:30:07 EDT (#)
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so you're saying I spent too much time studying?
and that I now spend too much effort actually working?
Hmmmmm
Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:28:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:24:00 EDT (#)
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victoria zdrok: dr with two phds, speaks five languages fluently.
occupation: porn star.
exception to the rule most likely.
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Ron Jeremy is wicked smart too, isn't he? ;)
Submitted by Wompom (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:25:45 EDT (#)
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well, duh. I sure dint get by on my smarts.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:24:00 EDT (#)
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victoria zdrok: dr with two phds, speaks five languages fluently.
occupation: porn star.
exception to the rule most likely.
Submitted by experima (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:18:37 EDT (#)
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gah?
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:15:55 EDT (#)
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I really don't know the answer
^IRONY ABOVE^
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:09:11 EDT (#)
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References?! REFERENCES?!?! What do you think this is?! A serious writers forum?! Just wham down some website URLs you got when you googled them. Dont read the whole article, just skim the bits that agree with your point of view and then claim you know everything about the subject!
THATS how we do things on Ubersite, youre with me, right Brad?
Submitted by LittleMonster (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:06:39 EDT (#)
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She can't do up zips either
Submitted by HateMudkips (user info) at 2007-06-18 17:05:13 EDT (#)
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for citing references