Where do you draw the line? (1327 hits)
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Submitted by Zeglamancer <Zeglamancer.at.gmail.com> (View user info) at 2007-06-19 21:10:13 EDT
So Earlier this morning I was at the commisary purchasing my usual grocieries (wheat bread, tuna fish, 6 pack of water, philly steak and cheese hotpockets that I am hopelessly addicted to no matter how much I am trying to get in and stay in shape) when I noticed two things occur throughout the duration of my trip.
First I noticed a small child running around to various shelves snatching toys and candies off them and bringing them back to the cart. He would wail loudly when his mother told him no and to put it back. Finally the embarassed mother told him he could have a single item if he stopped crying, after pretty much everyone within a 20 meter radius blatantly stared in her direction.
What has happened to us as a (enter title for collective group) when this sort of thing is allowed? With the threat of Social Services snatching your children from you and placing them in protective custody an omnipotent threat, I don't blame parents for not raising their children the way I was raised. I don't doubt many of you were brought up with belts and switches as well.
I never once would have dared to behave like that in a store with my parents. My father had no qualms what so ever about taking off his belt and whooping me right in aisle 6 at K-Mart, or where ever we were. When I was growing up people did not allow their children to act like that because you'd catch a beating from your parents if you did.
Where is the line drawn? Why are parents looked at as if they are bad parents for physical discipline? I of course understand there is an obvious diffrence between spanking your kid and striking him in the face w/ a clenched fist over and over again in a drunken rage, because he got a C- in English. I am not talking about honest to God abuse, I am talking about the assholes who cry abuse everytime someone takes a belt to their kid for disobedience.
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Submitted by Fey (user info) at 2007-08-20 16:36:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by scourge (user info) at 2007-06-20 10:03:10 EDT (#)
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I think if you have to result to physical violence to get your child to behave, you never should have had children in the first place.
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I wasn't beaten/spanked/slapped around/abused/whatever. And I'm a decent human being.
Submitted by Cakes (user info) at 2007-08-16 06:34:04 EDT (#)
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PAYINNG for water! Most bottled water is from the Detroit tap water system. (I get Abita Springs delivered, but now, even they have merged with Kentwood Springs, so they are now suspect.)
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2007-08-16 05:55:18 EDT (#)
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Right, yeah, here's the thing. Lots of you were raised with corporal punishment right? You're all on Ubersite! Look what you've all become! You're all degenerates! Pointing at yourself and saying "Never did me no harm" is not a compelling argument!
Submitted by beeltea (user info) at 2007-08-16 05:32:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Zeglamancer (user info) at 2007-07-01 22:41:01 EDT (#)
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Oh I don't have a right to the pursuit of happiness? simply type into google "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Pick and choose 1 of the hundreds of sites who have it and read up on it.
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actually, you ignorant ass-clown, "happiness" is a euphomism for property. Read a little Locke. Or better yet, read anything, and shut the fuck up. And I don't care whose nuts you think I'm swinging from. You are the biggest idiot I have ever seen on this site.
I have seen huge idiots on this site.
Submitted by Flack (user info) at 2007-07-02 00:42:13 EDT (#)
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I remember this one time I got in trouble and my dad laid out a wrench, a belt, and a stick and told me to choose one.
Most people would have gone for the stick. I chose the wrench.
Why, you ask?
Coz fuck him, that's why.
In all seriousness, my dad never did anything like that to me. If I acted up when I was a little kid, it was a quick few smacks to the ass. As I got older, it became 5 across the face. HE would try the grounding and loss of privledges but I would always ignore that bullshit. But when he smaked me in the face or charlie-horsed me in the shoulder, I got the message. He never jumped me and attacked me with vicousness or abuse, just a quick blow that let me know he meant business. He never used a closed fist. He never kicked me. he never put his cigar out on my arm. He never left a mark and really didnt hurt as much as most people would think. But I knew right then and there that I was fucking up and he wasn't pleased.
I think the last time my Dad ever struck me was when I was 16. After that, it got to the point where I was my own man and I could make the decisions regarding my own life and live up to the consequences of my actions.
I'm glad he did it, to. Otherwise, I'd probably would have ended up like all those heathens whose parents never showed any discipline.
Submitted by r1nce (user info) at 2007-07-02 00:20:27 EDT (#)
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Two words : Parent License.
Submitted by Zeglamancer (user info) at 2007-07-01 22:41:01 EDT (#)
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Oh I don't have a right to the pursuit of happiness? simply type into google "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Pick and choose 1 of the hundreds of sites who have it and read up on it.
I seriously despise people who don't discipline their children and allow them to annoy me in public. I shouldn't have to deal with you or your children being loud and obnoxious. I mean "They" started taking away my option of smoking in bars, on the grounds that sure its my right to smoke if I choose to do so, but its everyone else's right to not breath in my smoke. I don't think that banning smoking in every public building in the country is fair or the right thing to do, but thats a discussion for another time, I use it as an example of how I am not allowed to inconvenience others. Why is it that people with misbehaving little monsters are allowed to inconenience me with their loud noises and sticky dirty hands wiping laffy taffy all over door handles...
Submitted by Herpes (user info) at 2007-06-22 08:47:00 EDT (#)
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I think I'm going to get "fixed"
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2007-06-22 04:04:50 EDT (#)
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On the paper. Jeez.
Submitted by deelo (user info) at 2007-06-22 02:26:31 EDT (#)
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you like to judge
Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2007-06-21 18:38:46 EDT (#)
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You know you don't have a right to the pursuit of happiness, don't you?
Submitted by Director (user info) at 2007-06-21 18:31:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Circe (user info) at 2007-06-21 10:38:00 EDT (#)
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MANICMOTHER and Coyote -
You're both glossing over the real point of contention here.
What on earth is wrong with kids running into busy roads? You're debating how to stop them, not debating the highly relevant fact that if every kid stupid enough to run into a road was allowed to do so, there'd be a lot fewer stupid people in the world right now.
I raise my children on the Darwinian Method. Ok, I used to have a lot more of them, but the ones we have left now are the brightest kids you ever fuckin' saw.
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+2 for that alone. Personally, I say you keep having kids you don't want. The world is in dire need of more soylant green.
Submitted by pandora (user info) at 2007-06-21 18:02:08 EDT (#)
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Unfortunately, because there are so many fucked up/borderline imbecilic people in the world, the "corporal punishment" issue has become this black-and-white, all-or-nothing subject, just like so many other complex issues. The bottom line is that a lot of people should not be parents. It's one of the most important "jobs" in the world (if not THE most important), yet there are no qualifications or training required. Not even a piss test or a psychological exam! You have to have more training to work at Burger King than you do to raise a child.
Submitted by Zeglamancer (user info) at 2007-06-21 14:04:55 EDT (#)
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lmao circe that was pretty funny.
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2007-06-21 12:01:50 EDT (#)
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I will beat my kids senseless when they fuck with me.
Submitted by Circe (user info) at 2007-06-21 10:38:00 EDT (#)
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MANICMOTHER and Coyote -
You're both glossing over the real point of contention here.
What on earth is wrong with kids running into busy roads? You're debating how to stop them, not debating the highly relevant fact that if every kid stupid enough to run into a road was allowed to do so, there'd be a lot fewer stupid people in the world right now.
I raise my children on the Darwinian Method. Ok, I used to have a lot more of them, but the ones we have left now are the brightest kids you ever fuckin' saw.
Submitted by Zebra (user info) at 2007-06-20 19:03:18 EDT (#)
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Goddamn, if I knew my parents went on ubersite I'd blow my fucking brains out.
Submitted by Foolproof (user info) at 2007-06-20 18:24:11 EDT (#)
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yawn.
Submitted by Zeglamancer (user info) at 2007-06-20 17:20:31 EDT (#)
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"I don't give a DAMN what other people think when my youngest throws a tantrum, they can live with it just like I have to do every waking hour of my life. I'm not going to smack her just to shut her up for other convience " - MANICMOTHER
Up until now, I really must say I agree'd with alot of what you said. You seem pretty much on point and not foolish. However this line right here, makes me look down at you. You see, I was smart enough to use a condom every time I had intercourse so I wouldn't have children (Of course it is entirely possible you chose to have kids and actually tried for them, in which case I apologize for the I was smart enough portion of my comment)
One thing I did not choose is to listen to YOUR screaming crying child. If I may take this excerpt from the above quote "they can live with it just like I have to do every waking hour of my life." Why should I have to live with YOUR child's loud noise? Did I make the decision to have children? Nope. I wanted to enjoy my life and I can't go to a movie theater unless its the late late show and its a "R" rated film, because there is always some kids in the theaters being loud and obnoxious. I can't enjoy the film because they are talking loud, crying, running around the theater laughing and playing, kicking my seat etc. Thats denying my my civil right to the pursuit of happiness by defination by forcing me to deal with YOUR children.
I absolutely hate it when I am forced into even a moment of inconvenience because of some parent's kid. Would you put up with a moment of inconvenience from me, a perfectly random stranger if I wanted to talk on the cell phone in a movie? Nope you'd tell me to shut the hell up. So please explain to me how its fair that I be inconvenienced by you and your children?
Submitted by St_Jimmy (user info) at 2007-06-20 16:02:06 EDT (#)
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I've been pro corporal punishment kind of guy.
But the reviews in this post have really made some excellent points. I'm not so sure now.
God damn I'm glad I don't have any kids!
+1 for reviews.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2007-06-20 15:33:33 EDT (#)
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I find the Ludovico Treatment to be the most effective...
Submitted by Coyote (user info) at 2007-06-20 15:18:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MANICMOTHER (user info) at 2007-06-20 13:37:18 EDT (#)
Yep there goes the respect, coyote. It was nice while it lasted.
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The funny thing is I wasn't even arguing with you, I was pointing out the idiocy of the "smacking your kids solves all of their problems" crowd, and you chose to interpret it as some kind of a personal attack. I said below that instilling a little fear now and then is a necessary thing, and that if you needed to emphasize things a certain way that's fine for you. But, what-- just because I say hitting them's not the only way to do that I'm suddenly not worthy of respect anymore?
For me, personally, I've found it very effective to let my kids take the lumps and bumps that I think they can survive, explain to them why it hurt and how they can avoid it in the future, and either keep them away from the stuff they can't understand or explain the stuff they can. I'm sorry you don't find that a respectable choice.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-06-20 15:10:37 EDT (#)
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you sound like sicosemen.
retarded.
Submitted by maf54 (user info) at 2007-06-20 14:30:00 EDT (#)
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I want MANICMOTHER and/or Anansie to spank *me*
Submitted by Anansie (user info) at 2007-06-20 14:02:25 EDT (#)
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I was a horribly stubborn, evil little brat as a child, disrespectful in the face of most forms of discipline, including spankings, and I probably deserved more spankings than I got, though I got plenty.
That being said, I don't think I could give a kid a spanking, but then I don't have any yet, so I can't say for sure. I don't like the idea of hurting anything that is smaller/weaker than me.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-06-20 13:51:07 EDT (#)
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Why are you talking about your girl?
BUT GOOD GOOD!
Submitted by MANICMOTHER (user info) at 2007-06-20 13:49:48 EDT (#)
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If there's anything my girls know, it's how to behave in a restaurant. They've spent their entire short lives in them. If you have a problem in a public space like that you remove them and yourself from the place until it's over. No one should have to listen to someone else's kids for too long.
Besides, after 5 minutes mine get bored and find something else to do, I don't react. They don't get what they are demanding out of turn, they find something else to do when they see the yelling doesn't get them anything. If I had to respond to every challenge to my authority in the last several years I'd be crazy. Sometimes the battle is just not worth it, so why acknowledge it. They'll move on if they don't get the result they want.
Submitted by MANICMOTHER (user info) at 2007-06-20 13:37:18 EDT (#)
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Yep there goes the respect, coyote. It was nice while it lasted.
It has nothing to do with putting the fear of YOU into the kid. It's caution of the situation you instill in them. They remember how you reacted before and react to that by responding properly. You can tell a 3 year old 30 times not to walk away from you in a praking lot. You can sit them down and give a goddamn disertation on the dangers with diagrams and graphs and it won't make any sense to them. We keep them safe from all dangers as small children, they respond first and foremost not to our words but tone of voice from the very beginning. Understanding on a self conscious level takes a long time, for any of them. They may not understand that a 2 ton truck won't stop if they're in front of it, but they DO understand that they'll get in trouble with mommy if they wander off. Learning why is cemented as the child becomes more and more aware of the world around them. That takes time, my friend. We aren't born with a coherent view of life, you know.
And what of your bullshit about dogs? Dogs as humans have a family pack. Instinctually we respond to reprimand as children as do puppies. Growls, a paw swipe, picking them up and removing them from percieved danger. How is that any differnt from us? Just because we have higher thought patterns doesn't change the way we were built to raise our offspring. A mother wolf will bite back if the pup nips too hard. Not hard enough to hurt but just enough for the pup to remember. Are we really all that different?
No I didn't think so. Just because we THINK differently doesn't change that we are infact, just another mammal continuing the species.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-06-20 13:36:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MANICMOTHER (user info) at 2007-06-20 12:29:53 EDT (#)
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I don't give a DAMN what other people think when my youngest throws a tantrum, they can live with it just like I have to do every waking hour of my life. I'm not going to smack her just to shut her up for other convience.
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You chose to have an ankle biter, people didn't choose to be subjected to animals who don't belong in public.
I realize shit is going to happen, kids are going to cry and yell, and you can expect it in a mall or store. But there is nothing I hate more than some parent who lets their prescious scream their head off for half an hour at a restaurant or theatre because they listen it to all day and are used to it. If you can't smack her, then take her outside, or better yet keep her at home.
Disregard everything above if you aren't the type to take a kid to settings like that. I am still pissed about having to yell at some dumb cunt to shut her kid up at a theatre.
Submitted by Coyote (user info) at 2007-06-20 13:05:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MANICMOTHER (user info) at 2007-06-20 12:29:53 EDT (#)
I'll give you your props coyote, you've always been the level headed type, but the last few lines are really bothering me. There's a difference between a regular routine of corporal punishment and doing it to make a point. There's a difference between disiplining your child for a major transgression and kicking his ass because he won't live up to what YOU want him to. I don't give a DAMN what other people think when my youngest throws a tantrum, they can live with it just like I have to do every waking hour of my life. I'm not going to smack her just to shut her up for other convience. That's a response, good or bad it acknowledges the the action and reinforces the behavior simply by giving it attention. But I'll tell you what, my girls are very VERY careful crossing a street or in a parking lot now and it took very little physical reinforcement for a very short time to get it across to them. I rest easier knowing I can help the little one out of her seat without the older one wandering 6 feet into the parking lot short, ALONE and UNPROTECTED.
A child with a smacked butt is a lot better off than one bleeding and broken in the street.
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Whoah there, why don't you just back up and get down off your high horse there for a minute. The overwhelming tone of the post and the poster's comments below was "git a belt and whup 'em, that'll learn 'em some manners". That's brainless and stupid. The post is about parents who let themselves get bullied in public, and someone taking exception to that.
Emphasize whatever you like, but my daughter has no trouble staying put in parking lots or holding hands crossing the road. It's pure habit, it's not even a question, and we didn't have to smack her to get the point across. The boy is too young to reason with... he doesn't get "if then" clauses yet, consequences are a fuzzy idea. If he doesn't understand "unexpected car can kill me", why would he learn the lesson I want him to learn from "daddy hits me when I take a step at the wrong time"? He knows that shit we warned him about (like dogs, deep water, and high playgrounds for big kids) can fuck him up, but until he can generalize the lesson to "when daddy warns be about shit it's worth listening to because I don't want to get fucked up", then whatever reinforcement I try to apply is just going to be superficial anyway. You keep a sharp eye on 2 year olds; after that you can reason with them.
Kids have way more cognitive ability than a dog. Why would you apply the same training techniques? Obviously you need to emphasize certain things, and a little fear is a helpful part of the mix sometimes. But the people who are falling over themselves to say "lay an ass-whipping on your kids to teach them respect" are one hundred percent wrong. If you've blundered as a parent so badly that you haven't managed to instill any respect in your kids, then ass-whippings are probably your last viable way to teach them obedience.
Submitted by MANICMOTHER (user info) at 2007-06-20 12:29:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Coyote (user info) at 2007-06-20 11:59:27 EDT (#)
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Pretty clearly, corporal punishment or lack thereof is not the problem in this case.....
Bottom line... corporal punishment isn't necessary to raise good kids. Of course, if you're lazy, and embarrassed to be outwitted by a toddler, it'll at least shut them up long enough for you to save face in public, and that's what being a parent is all about, right?
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I'll give you your props coyote, you've always been the level headed type, but the last few lines are really bothering me. There's a difference between a regular routine of corporal punishment and doing it to make a point. There's a difference between disiplining your child for a major transgression and kicking his ass because he won't live up to what YOU want him to. I don't give a DAMN what other people think when my youngest throws a tantrum, they can live with it just like I have to do every waking hour of my life. I'm not going to smack her just to shut her up for other convience. That's a response, good or bad it acknowledges the the action and reinforces the behavior simply by giving it attention. But I'll tell you what, my girls are very VERY careful crossing a street or in a parking lot now and it took very little physical reinforcement for a very short time to get it across to them. I rest easier knowing I can help the little one out of her seat without the older one wandering 6 feet into the parking lot short, ALONE and UNPROTECTED.
A child with a smacked butt is a lot better off than one bleeding and broken in the street.
Submitted by Circe (user info) at 2007-06-20 12:05:36 EDT (#)
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I read as far in the reviews as "My rebuttal is the Bible" and realised that debating anything with you is not worth my time.
Submitted by Coyote (user info) at 2007-06-20 11:59:27 EDT (#)
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Pretty clearly, corporal punishment or lack thereof is not the problem in this case.
The problem is parents who don't set clear expectations for their children, in terms a child can understand, with easily understandable consequences. Equally if not more so, the problem is in setting limits and then giving in when challenged, whether it's due to soft-heartedness, embarrassment at having attention drawn in public, or the parent realizing that they made a stupid restriction and then changing their mind seemingly arbitrarily (i.e., without a rational debate and explanation).
Like some people on this thread have already mentioned, permissiveness is a huge problem. Kids need limits, and they appreciate having them. But there's a big difference between responsible, effective parenting, and simply breaking out the whupping stick when things don't go your way. There's a LOT of work that goes into parenting, but an adult shouldn't really be letting themselves get so outmaneuvered and outwitted by a child that they have no recourse than "I'm bigger and stronger than you".
Bottom line... corporal punishment isn't necessary to raise good kids. Of course, if you're lazy, and embarrassed to be outwitted by a toddler, it'll at least shut them up long enough for you to save face in public, and that's what being a parent is all about, right?
Submitted by MANICMOTHER (user info) at 2007-06-20 11:50:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by scourge (user info) at 2007-06-20 10:50:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MANICMOTHER (user info) at 2007-06-20 10:27:48 EDT (#)
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Well....you may be right, and you may be wrong.
Only time will tell.
I hope I caused no offense to you with my review, as you seem to be an entirely thoughtful and caring parent. At least inasmuch as I have interacted with you. I just get on a roll and let the words out, you know?
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No worries, man. Everybody does different due to their experiences and situations, both past and present ones. And no 2 kids are EVER alike, even siblings. All I can say is good luck in the next couple of years because when they start interacting with one another on a personal level all sorts of weird shit comes up.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2007-06-20 11:34:47 EDT (#)
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I like to spank my monkey.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-06-20 11:21:02 EDT (#)
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I quite like being spanked.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-06-20 11:19:02 EDT (#)
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actually most parents that let their kids get away with that crap are just kind of retarded. i know loads of kids that are well behaved that aren't spanked. i still believe spanking is needed sometimes though.
Submitted by sexualchocolate1984 (user info) at 2007-06-20 11:17:45 EDT (#)
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Good point but sorry bud, we live in a pussy ass cotton woll wraped world now. They'll see in a couple of generations time that all they've done is created a whole generation of respectless cock sucking little bastards!
Discipline is no longer allowed.
Submitted by runamukus (user info) at 2007-06-20 10:59:50 EDT (#)
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That's right, let the little booger pick whatever they want out of the basket. Then they choose the Jolt Cola and drink it. And people wonder why they act like possessed demons! It's the Jolt Cola!
Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2007-06-20 10:59:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Zeglamancer (user info) at 2007-06-20 03:22:42 EDT (#)
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personally, I see nothing wrong with laying down the law on your children. A good old fashioned ass whipping never once spawned a serial killer.
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And just how the fuck would you know what never once spawned a serial killer? I mean really..I'm not saying every kid that gets spanked goes murderous, but you don't think violence can breed violence?
Submitted by Lambchop (user info) at 2007-06-20 10:55:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Zeglamancer (user info) at 2007-06-20 03:22:42 EDT (#)
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personally, I see nothing wrong with laying down the law on your children. A good old fashioned ass whipping never once spawned a serial killer.
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"Childhood trauma has also been linked to serial killers. Studies have revealed a number of significant statistics supporting the idea that mental and physical trauma may have long lasting effects upon an individual (Aynesworth 1999). 42% of convicted serial killers suffered from physical abuse as children"
I know you mean that one should not abuse a child, but the -2 is for +2ing your own post
Submitted by scourge (user info) at 2007-06-20 10:50:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MANICMOTHER (user info) at 2007-06-20 10:27:48 EDT (#)
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Just wait scourge, you've got 2 now and your oldest is still very young and I doubt rarely out of your sight. EVERYTHING changes with age and addition. And when you've got two running in different directions, you're just one man against unlimited energy and curiosity. They can dissapear in a heartbeat and you'll know FEAR like you've never known before even if it's only a few seconds. Spanking a baby is pointless and cruel. They don't understand enough, are usually over eager to please and at 2 your son is still a baby. At 5 or 6 with a 3yr old bro tagging along you might feel a bit different about the subject. Especially if the older one puts the younger at risk.
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Well....you may be right, and you may be wrong.
Only time will tell.
I hope I caused no offense to you with my review, as you seem to be an entirely thoughtful and caring parent. At least inasmuch as I have interacted with you. I just get on a roll and let the words out, you know?
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2007-06-20 10:47:42 EDT (#)
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I believe in public stonings for the parents and public beheadings for the children.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-06-20 10:44:50 EDT (#)
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loser
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Submitted by lover101 (user info) at 2007-06-20 10:29:32 EDT (#)
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I agree with MANICMOTHER's review!
Submitted by MANICMOTHER (user info) at 2007-06-20 10:27:48 EDT (#)
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Just wait scourge, you've got 2 now and your oldest is still very young and I doubt rarely out of your sight. EVERYTHING changes with age and addition. And when you've got two running in different directions, you're just one man against unlimited energy and curiosity. They can dissapear in a heartbeat and you'll know FEAR like you've never known before even if it's only a few seconds. Spanking a baby is pointless and cruel. They don't understand enough, are usually over eager to please and at 2 your son is still a baby. At 5 or 6 with a 3yr old bro tagging along you might feel a bit different about the subject. Especially if the older one puts the younger at risk.
Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2007-06-20 10:07:10 EDT (#)
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meaning scourge's review.
Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2007-06-20 10:06:40 EDT (#)
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EXACTLY RIGHT below
Submitted by MANICMOTHER (user info) at 2007-06-20 10:06:15 EDT (#)
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And just for the record I do spank, but I've reserved serious laying into them for dangerous situations.
EXAMPLE-They bolt from me in a parking lot or into a street without me there, that's an automatic. They're both still too short to be seen by drivers and people drive like assholes. Got excellent results and now I don't have to worry about them getting squished.
A good smack in the ass only stings for a few moments but for some kids it's what makes them respond. Talk untill you're blue in the face but a 5 year old is going to repeat the mistakes unless you put some emphasis on it.
I have had merely moderate success with taking things and time away but at this age their little minds have such short attention spans, they just go find something else to do. That will work later when their time is REALLY their own.
Parents today are trapped by their own minds, memories and their sense of guilt. We ALL got our asses kicked, our parents literally got beaten by theirs. We got moderate ammounts of things we wanted, our parents got their needs covered and anything else was special. We all want to do better for our kids but we often find ourselves trying to right transgressions done to us by our parents through our kids. Bad move, you can't change the past and giving your kid anything they want only creates another self absorbed, immediate satisfaction on demand individual. Life doesn't work that way and they enter the REAL world (read "adult life") handicapped by it.
I'm trying to raise my girls to be strong, independant and can take society by the sack when they have to enter it on their own. Being their best friend for the next 15 years isn't going to cut it.
I'm a PARENT, and I'm not going to apologize to ANYBODY for being one.
Submitted by scourge (user info) at 2007-06-20 10:03:10 EDT (#)
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I think if you have to result to physical violence to get your child to behave, you never should have had children in the first place. My boy is two, and he's very well behaved and respectful, and has never had a hand raised to him, nor will he.
I realise that stupidity and the desire to remain ignorant about everything but your local sports team and the best place to pick up some disease ridden whore takes up a lot of the brain's storage space...but pick up a few books on child development and social interaction once you get that whore pregnant/become a pregnant whore, and you can avoid having to result to base human actions/reactions when dealing with your kids.
For those of you who say, "Well I got beat and I turned out fine, so...", you should get your heads out of your asses. Some of your great-great-grandparents owned slaves too, should you too? I mean, it was good enough for THEM. You know, repeating the mistakes of the past and whatnot...
Here's the thing, it doesn't even need to be a question of being morally right or wrong, it can be an issue of doing something in a more efficient, effective and less stressful way. If you can get the same results without all the screaming and crying, isn't that more the better?
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-06-20 08:42:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-06-20 07:18:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JoeyG (user info) at 2007-06-20 04:54:07 EDT (#)
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But hitting a child with anything other than your hands shows some serious weakness of character and ability to deal with a situation without resorting to what is tantamount to sadism.
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I don't know, an old fashioned wooden spoon doesn't hurt anymore than an open hand across the butt, However it probably adds a certain amount of respect for punishment, because it isn't immediate. you have to sit there and think while the spoon is brought out, giving you more time to realize how bad you fucked up. when I was spanked as a kid the knowing I was going to get spanked was much worse than the actual spanking.
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HA! My parents used to use the wooden spoons!!! My dad would make them in the wood shop class he taught.
We would always try to hide those fucking things, and here would come dad... home with another handful of wooden spoons.
Bastard and those fuckin' wooden spoons... **rubs butt with painful memories**
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-06-20 07:18:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JoeyG (user info) at 2007-06-20 04:54:07 EDT (#)
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But hitting a child with anything other than your hands shows some serious weakness of character and ability to deal with a situation without resorting to what is tantamount to sadism.
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I don't know, an old fashioned wooden spoon doesn't hurt anymore than an open hand across the butt, However it probably adds a certain amount of respect for punishment, because it isn't immediate. you have to sit there and think while the spoon is brought out, giving you more time to realize how bad you fucked up. when I was spanked as a kid the knowing I was going to get spanked was much worse than the actual spanking.
Submitted by Sinistral (user info) at 2007-06-20 05:38:47 EDT (#)
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manic where the hell have you been?
Submitted by orph (user info) at 2007-06-20 05:15:16 EDT (#)
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I got smacked sideways many a time as a kid, but always following me being a little shit.
Its not wrong to smack your kids.
Wrong is feeding them bullshit food so they grow out rather than up, leaving the tv to babysit, and NOT disciplining them.
They grow up into fat, egotistical want-it-all's, but not ready to do anything to get it, just like when they were kids.
Fuck, discipline your kids for fucks sake. Or I will for you, for a small fee.
Submitted by JoeyG (user info) at 2007-06-20 04:54:07 EDT (#)
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I agree in part.
I took many a whuppin when I was a kid, and it didn't do me any harm. But if you feel the need to use a weapon on a child (belt, slipper, chainsaw etc) then you gotta be a sad, sad muthafucker.
These are little children, for fuck's sake - fair enough, a little discipline is neccessary at times, and a slap is a good a way as any.
But hitting a child with anything other than your hands shows some serious weakness of character and ability to deal with a situation without resorting to what is tantamount to sadism.
In some ways, as a child the worst punshments I had were non-physical.
I remember one year on the very first day of the summer holidays I called the old lady who lived nextdoor a stupid fucking bitch.
I was grounded for the entire 6 weeks of the summer holidays, and only allowed out of my room for meal times. My bedroom window looked right out onto the streets where I could see all my friends playing without me.
It sounds a bit harsh, but by fucking god, I never spoke to grown ups like that ever again.
A beating is over fairly quickly, and soon forgotten. Psychological punishments stay with you for a long, long time.
Submitted by Zeglamancer (user info) at 2007-06-20 03:22:42 EDT (#)
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personally, I see nothing wrong with laying down the law on your children. A good old fashioned ass whipping never once spawned a serial killer. Have you ever read about, or known a person who grew up in a household that put a belt upside the ass of every kid who misbehaved, everytime he did it? Did they grow up to be serial killers / rapists / anythingFuckedUp? I rest my case.
Submitted by ilikesteak (user info) at 2007-06-20 00:15:47 EDT (#)
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What parents don't seem to understand is that you're supposed to be a parent first and foremost. To do what's best for your child, not the fastest and easiest way to get by. People don't seem to realise is that there must be a balance. There is time and place for everything.
Submitted by Stagger_Lee (user info) at 2007-06-20 00:01:07 EDT (#)
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On the ground. If they step over it, BAM MOTHERFUCKER BAM.
Submitted by MANICMOTHER (user info) at 2007-06-19 23:46:51 EDT (#)
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I don't resort to bribes.
I don't give in to whining.
And if anybody wants to have an attitude because I'm ignoring a 3year old's unwarrented tantrum driven demands they can go fuck themselves.
I'm not reienforcing that kind of behavior by responding to it.
Parenting 101, bitches.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2007-06-19 23:44:10 EDT (#)
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I see nothing wrong with the drunken beating you suggested. Kindly proceed.
Submitted by i_can_get_you_a_toe (user info) at 2007-06-19 23:39:58 EDT (#)
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know what you mean, my country has just made smacking your child illegal. fucking assholes.
Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-06-19 23:25:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by experima (user info) at 2007-06-19 23:03:57 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by whiskey_jack (user info) at 2007-06-19 23:01:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Lambchop (user info) at 2007-06-19 22:13:14 EDT (#)
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Not to say your argument is wrong, but I'm sure a lot have used the bible to justify their motives including but not limited to slavery and prejudice.
But that's a whole argument on its own.
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Beat children with Bibles I say. The kid starts screaming in the cereal isle? He gets a good ol' smighting when the King James smokes him in the temple.
Submitted by Lambchop (user info) at 2007-06-19 22:23:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2007-06-19 22:07:19 EDT (#)
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My folks used corporal punishment. I think the grand total of ass whoopings I got was 3 my entire childhood.
I did everything in my power to prevent getting an ass whooping, so yeah, in my case the fear of a whooping usually vetoed whatever mischief I was planning.
There is BEATING, which is wrong. A full grown adult hitting a child with full force is excessive and frankly, abuse.
SPANKING on the other hand, doesn't do any physical damage.
I study psychology and the prevailing attitude in the field is one of no corporal punishment, as it is psychologically and emotionally harmful.
This is where a few like-minded future colleagues and I disagree with the field.
In my opinion, permissive parenting leads to the creation of little monsters who will grow up to be adults with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement.
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From the psychology books i read, an Authoritative style is generally regarded as the best style of parenting.
However, I'm a strong believer in that biology and inherited traits has a stronger role than the experts say.
Submitted by Lambchop (user info) at 2007-06-19 22:13:14 EDT (#)
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Not to say your argument is wrong, but I'm sure a lot have used the bible to justify their motives including but not limited to slavery and prejudice.
But that's a whole argument on its own.
Submitted by LisaD (user info) at 2007-06-19 22:09:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by LisaD (user info) at 2007-06-19 22:07:09 EDT (#)
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useless cunt
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2007-06-19 22:07:19 EDT (#)
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My folks used corporal punishment. I think the grand total of ass whoopings I got was 3 my entire childhood.
I did everything in my power to prevent getting an ass whooping, so yeah, in my case the fear of a whooping usually vetoed whatever mischief I was planning.
There is BEATING, which is wrong. A full grown adult hitting a child with full force is excessive and frankly, abuse.
SPANKING on the other hand, doesn't do any physical damage.
I study psychology and the prevailing attitude in the field is one of no corporal punishment, as it is psychologically and emotionally harmful.
This is where a few like-minded future colleagues and I disagree with the field.
In my opinion, permissive parenting leads to the creation of little monsters who will grow up to be adults with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement.
Submitted by Zeglamancer (user info) at 2007-06-19 21:27:19 EDT (#)
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I understand that. I have several rebuttals for that, including but not limited to
A.) The Bible (A very common and world-wide recognized religion) specifically states "Spare the rod, spoil the child" Which broken down into laymans terms means, discipline your children so they learn.
B.) Its commonly acceptable in today's world to discipline with spanking. Utilizing a belt, wooden spoon, your hand etc. Its not reasonably acceptable to use things like a tire iron, a torque wrench, a deadblow mallet etc. So I understand your basic point of "Belt" and "Child" However I feel your level of extremity is lower then average.
C.) While I do not doubt there are plenty of people who do not fit the stereo type I am about to use, as one cannot rightfully make/use a stereotype if there wasnt people who didnt fit into it. That being said. I've never met people who grew up with good old fashioned discipline their whole lives, who grew up to commit crimes. 99% of them grew up to lead constructive socially acceptable lives in their communities. Where as these little thug wannabe kids who grew up without discipline watching their rebel heroes on MTV or whatever, grow up and rob and murder people trying to prove how hard they are.
I realize my reasons have several broad sweeping generalizations that are not 100% true, and I apoloize for that. However there is some basic statistical truth to it, and that is the focus I am shooting for.
Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2007-06-19 21:27:03 EDT (#)
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ubmitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2007-06-19 21:21:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2007-06-19 21:15:04 EDT (#)
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A "belt" to a child is not "discipline," it's a BELT to a CHILD. No matter how many of us got it, doesn't make it effective or the right thing to do.
You know they make those in lean pockets,too.
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Fuck that, it's CAUSE and EFFECT to kids. You behave like a little asshole, and you get a one way ticket on the ass-whooping express.
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There are ways to teach cause and effect without using physical discipline, is what I'm saying. If I ever talked that way in my house, I would have gotten one of two things: from Mom, 5 across the whatever she feels like today. Dad would use different methods- no allowance ($2/week), no bike, no skates, etc- for which the consequences had a longer effect, AND didn't leave me in fear while still teaching me the lesson.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2007-06-19 21:21:31 EDT (#)
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Children are not little adults and should not be treated as such. If you kill one of them as an example to the others, the others still don't get it. They're just not that smart. Obviously, the answer is to get a competent babysitter when you must go out, and lock the kids and the babysitter in the basement. They'll be fine until you get back from the Bahamas or the food runs out. And if not, hey, they'll Donner Party until you unpack and get settled in.
Seriously, <winks> I kid on the kids because they're not my problem.
Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2007-06-19 21:21:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2007-06-19 21:15:04 EDT (#)
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A "belt" to a child is not "discipline," it's a BELT to a CHILD. No matter how many of us got it, doesn't make it effective or the right thing to do.
You know they make those in lean pockets,too.
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Fuck that, it's CAUSE and EFFECT to kids. You behave like a little asshole, and you get a one way ticket on the ass-whooping express.
It's a pretty simple concept actually.
I've known people who'll talk to thier parents in ways that I talk to people here. Bitch this, Asshole that, blah blah fuck, and without a flinching moment that what they're doing might be disrespectful and wrong.
Growing up, I'd be lucky to get out bi- before I got hit.
It's all about the respect.
Submitted by ghola (user info) at 2007-06-19 21:17:36 EDT (#)
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not that this post is that interesting (well, cause it's not) but I see no problem with beating the shit out of a kid with a belt. I got the shit beat out of me with a belt. It didn't cripple me emotionally or otherwise.
Submitted by ooQueso (user info) at 2007-06-19 21:16:34 EDT (#)
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America is sorely lacking in discipline. Most parents try to be their child's friend. The child has plenty of friends, what the child needs is a parent.
Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2007-06-19 21:15:04 EDT (#)
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A "belt" to a child is not "discipline," it's a BELT to a CHILD. No matter how many of us got it, doesn't make it effective or the right thing to do.
You know they make those in lean pockets,too.