No rights in america? What the fuck? July 4th the worst day... (7695 hits)
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Submitted by ? (View user info) at 2007-07-06 03:16:39 EDT
I had probably the worst Fourth of July experience ever. It was possibly the worst and my experience made me scared of the ways the laws in this country are changing of late. I'm going to tell you my tale.
After I wrote that post on uber exactly 1 hr later my friends and I made our way down to the Beach. It was a crazy day. Girls, parties, booze the works. We commenced to drink inside the kitchen as everyone we ever knew started to go to my buddy's house.
He lives on the beach. He owns this house. It is his private property. I go over the fence to the backyard to get to the alleyway to recruit more girls. Big mistake. Greatest mistake of my life.
I'm back there hanging out and I go back to the fence to hop it back over to get back in my friends patio. Out of nowhere a 30 something woman runs up and grabs my leg. Apparently she's his neighbor and she thinks I'm trespassing. I gave out a kind of Native American war cry "let go of my leg" in a manner of business and trying to calmly handle the situation.
I shake her off my leg to see about 9 cops standing there as they start to yell at me to get down off the fence. I could have run. I could have hopped the fence and ran into the sea of people in the streets. But being a college educated man. A soon to be hopeful attorney I thought I would just get down and calmly explain the situation. Mistake #2.
I get down to have about 5 cops swarm me. They start yelling at me that I'm intoxicated. I calmly tell them that I have only had about one drink at this time and also that I am over 21 and this is my friends property. They ask me my friend's name. I tell them. They claim that they are going to charge me with a drunk in public.
I asked for a Breathalyzer so as to prove how drunk I was. They refused. I asked them several times that If I was to be arrest for drunk in public I would like a breathalyzer to verify how drunk I am for the court case that would come in later months. They refused me one. When I told him that I wasn't drunk he claimed that he would get me on disorderly conduct. Basically they were taking me in.
I got thrown in the drunk wagon at about 3:30pm in the afternoon. Not drunk and only one shot of grey goose in my system. As I was driven to the patty wagon I wasn't asked any question for my arrest. Nowhere are you from? What state do you reside in? No Miranda rights. Nothing I was getting thrown in jail for them claiming I was drunk.
I get to the jail thinking that I'm going to be able to talk to a pig with a decent brain in his head and explain what happened. I wasn't allowed to. Every cop I asked question too would not talk to me because I was asking questions about my rights. I asked why if I was getting arrested they didn't read me my rights. Why didn't they give me a Breathalyzer when I requested one? The cops I was talking to were getting agitated because I wasn't the typical retard who knew nothing about the law.
I was booked in. I asked the lady if I could call my lawyer. When I said this she got very surely did the bitch-cop. She then began to tell me that I could not dial out to any business or cell phone number. When I told her my lawyer's number was in my cell phone she claimed she wasn't allowed to get my cell phone to look up the number. They took me into a little cell to be detained then they through me into my cell.
I was one of the first 3 people in this fucking place. I was number 3. The trace. I walked in and saw 8 bunks, a cell and a bench in the middle. I kept asking the officers if I could speak with someone but they ignored me and the other guys that were in for drunk in public. Some of the guys were truly drunk. Me on the other hand I was sober as soon as I got into the cell. They told me I would be out within 5 hrs they just wanted me to sober up.
I made myself comfy on the dirty mattress as a lot of people filed in yesterday. They were all typical rich kids that were a little too drunk. What pissed me off was the fact that I kept trying to talk to an officer about my booking about 8 hrs in. I had watched about 8 kids come in after me and get released before me. With later numbers. (We had ID numbers on our wrist). They kept ignoring me and this other kid as the barked "Wait your turn".
It was around 5 am in the morning when about the 60th person had came in after me and been let go. These kids had been screaming, kicking the cells, yelling for scrub uniforms, yelling for blankets. One kid was roaming around claustrophobic saying he had to get out muttering insanely. They all kept wondering why I was still in there. Finally at around 10am I get a guard to listen to me and ask him about my case number.
He replied.
Fat pig: Oh, don't worry about it we already got the paper for your release you should be out of here in about 10mins.
Another 2 hrs fly by and I ask the guard again what is going on. Then finally I tell one of the janitors to bring the guard as I started to demand how come I had been held for the last 19hrs on a Drunk in public charge. The new guard comes up and finally tells me that the haven't even started my paper work.
Then he said I would be out soon they had paper for my release. Here is when I decided that I hate fucking cops and they should all get impaled in there nut sacs.
As I was supposed to be released about 7 hrs earlier he told me he couldn't release me. I asked him why? He said that I didn't have valid I.D. I explained to him that my I.D. wallet credit card everything had been stolen about 2 days earlier at school. I had my wallet with my ATM and my fucking SCHOOL/COLLEGE ID.
He looked at me with the dumbest look ever and proceeded to tell me that he didn't trust it was me. I asked him again why wouldn't you believe that it what is on my school ID is me.
Officer dumb fuck: " look, I have heard every story before. How do I know that you didn't go out and make this school ID to hide your identity of who you really are? It has happened before. I need valid I.D. You don't have it? Well I can't let you go.
I then asked him to call someone I know personally or even call my baseball coach who is a former cop/chief in the area. He refused saying that I could just call someone to lie about who I was.
So they went and he ran my fingerprints through the DOS/ Plus the FBI background check with every crime imaginable. I told him I have never been arrested before but he just kept telling me he couldn't believe me.
I have a very unique last name. I have one of those last names where teachers, companies, schools spell my name wrong all the time. He couldn't find my ID in the computer so he basically decided in his fucked up brain that I had made and alias. I looked at him like the cro-magnumb he was and asked him why would someone like me who plays baseball for the local college going to go through all that trouble?
He replied he didn't know and that I should tell him. He wanted to lock me up for the next 3 days to see a judge when I had already been released for the supposed bullshit crime I committed. I started to wonder how legal all this was at that point. No Miranda rights read, held against will, no breathalyzer to even show that I was intoxicated, no police report.
He came into the room and told me that the cop who arrested me messed up and didn't fill out my report and that was why it was taking so long. He then proceeds to fill out my report and claim the events he felt happened. He even tried to pin the situation on me by saying that it was my fault for not having a valid I.D. or form of identification.
When I told him I gave him my social security number and I had a picture ID (School ID with my name and picture on it, plus an ATM VISA Card that stated the same name on the ID that it should be valid enough. He rebuffed me claiming that my Social security numbers aren't valid or reliable anymore. I just looked at him like he fell off his bike a lot as a kid. This was probably the most unbelievable time in my life.
After the FBI report, DOS, Warrant check etc... crap he did with my finger prints came back with nothing and no prior arrests. He then tried to tell me he had no account of me since my birth in my state. I told him I have never had a record before but he found it odd that they couldn't find my name in the system for fingerprints etc...
I explained to him if he would let me spell my last name again, or else spell variations that have been seen on forms that it might show up. He kept chirping back that it had already been done and the people doing it are specialists. So I was locked up for another 2 hrs.
He then came in when the reports came back all nice and said that they were going to let me go. (Yippee you fucking pig). He tried to make it seem like he was doing me this huge favor by letting me go 10hrs after I should have been released. He started saying things like.
Officer faggot: You have been really cooperative through this entire thing. You didn't kick or scream or do anything so I believe your school ID, and the computer says you are who you say you are. Were going to let you go. So how's baseball season coming along? How was this year?
I was pissed but just kept my mouth shut as they let me go. I was so angry I wanted to break down doors, walls and fucking to fat cop faces. I had been arrested without base, or merit, held without due process, had a botched police report and didn't even get to give a statement on my arrest or how they claim it happened. Basically they just wanted me off the beach that day.
They didn't read me my rights, or give me any legal Breathalyzer or anything. They know the case is going to be thrown out but they just wanted some people off the beach during the fourth of July. I don't know what to do. I thought about calling a lawyer and seeing what can be done with this case. I mean can I sue? What? I also thought about writing a letter to the chief of police detailing my arrest and the incompetence and bullshit his officers showed towards me. I mean what would you do? Is any of this shit they pulled legal? I mean this can't be legal right? Because if it is and this is where the patriotic and fear, and bullshit are taking us. Then I don't want to live in America anymore. This was probably the lowest point, and my shameful time I have ever had living in America after being born and bred here my entire life.
If this is what is happening to our civil laws, and cops are becoming gangs and no one will right the wrongs then I don't know what to do. I mean what the fuck? Was this bullshit or what?
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-07-21 23:15:05 EDT (#)
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While I agree 100% that you got mistreated, try to understand the kind of lying, thieving low-life shitbags the cops have to deal with day in and day out, then multiply that by 1000 for any major holiday. Most of them become jaded after a while. That's not excusing what happened, but it is reality. You lost a day because of the doubt that goes with a cop's job these days. Most of them are probably good guys, overworked and underpaid. If you do go to court, instead of demanding any kind of restitution, just ask for a written simple apology. The cops/judge will likely realize that you are a decent guy who got caught up in an overloaded system.
Good rant, and GOOD for you for keeping your cool throughout all of that.
Submitted by PerkMan (user info) at 2007-07-11 23:24:12 EDT (#)
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zagamanlcer- I'm not black. I'm white with a lot of european shit mixed in. I'm american.
The fact that you feel that it was wrong for me to get arrested but if I had been black it is ok makes me want to choke you and shove culpeppers down your neck while I make you suck gay cock.
That just sickens me that it is ok for a black, asian, foreigner to get shit but I should be exempt because I'm white. I mean What the fuck is wrong with you? And you wonder why minorties don't trust the police or goverment. It's fucking douche bags like you who make it that way.
Fuck off you racist cunt.
Submitted by czwij (user info) at 2007-07-11 08:42:20 EDT (#)
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...and then you wonder why the rest of the planet loaths and fears the current USA.
I used to love visiting the country, but since all that 9/11 nonsense has happened, i fear entering it. the social fabric has changed and for the worse.
i think on a social level it is a little similar to 1930's german nationalism.
either you are with the program or an enemy of the state.
scary place, glad i dont live there.
Submitted by Zeglamancer (user info) at 2007-07-10 16:27:04 EDT (#)
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I suck ass at spelling so forgive me, but its called writ of haebus corpus. They can throw your ass in jail for spitting your gum out on the sidewalk if they want. They cant keep you locked up more than 24 hours though. You were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Go file a complaint if you feel like wasting more of your time. I doubt anything will come of it tho. They will claim that haebus corpus crap saying they didnt detain you longer than 24 hours and get off scott free.
Unless of course you're black. In which case I would have arrested your ass too. A black dude hoping fences after drinking... yea thats not happening on my watch.
Submitted by JulsInsane (user info) at 2007-07-10 11:00:41 EDT (#)
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Disclaimer: I believe the following information to be true, that does not mean that it is.
You do not have to carry ID with you, but police have the right to detain you until you can be definitively identified if you cannot produce an ID.
Public drunkeness isn't the same as operating a vehicle, there are specific Blood Alcohol levels involved in determining if one is impaired and cannot operate a vehicle. Public drunkeness is determined at the officer's descression to the best of my knowledge.
Arresting someone is a pain in the ass, if you ask any Police officer if they would like to go a shift without a collar most would say they would prefer it.
Bad cops, unfortunately much like any profession in the world and any group of people on earth you will find a few bad apples. If there a chance that you are leaving out the part where you gave the officer attitude or verbally abused him, perhaps you were paying for whatever bullshit hassle they had to deal with earlier in the night, or hell maybe you were unlucky and ran into one of those bad apples who ruins it for everyone. On average I love cops, mostly bc everyone loves cops when they need them, even ETS. They do a job that I am not physically nor mentally capable of doing, thus I give them a large amount of respect. Having some insight into what that job does to people has also changed the way I have viewed cop's attitudes. I have a lot of family and friends on the job, I have seen it change the way they veiw the world, the way they relate to their families and girlfriends, and warp their perception of humanity. This is not to say they are in gunfights saving little old ladies from thugs on a regular basis. Seeing the worst in humanity on a daily basis can really erode your perception of others.
I guess if you felt you had no role in what got you into this situation then I definately believe you should file a complaint as it is your responsibility as a member of your community to provide a checks and balances for the law enforcement. If when looking back on the situation you can see where you may have played a role in how the situation unfolded perhaps use it as a learning situation.
Submitted by Maddog (user info) at 2007-07-10 08:47:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-07-09 04:58:44 EDT (#)
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You know what...Maddog is right. They didn't have to read you your rights unless they were questioning you about the possible commission of a crime. But if they do, guess what...anything you say, like, for instance, "I've had one drink of vodka", is completely inadmissible as evidence in court as long as you were in their custodial detention, meaning if any reasonable person would conclude that you were not in a position to simply walk away from them without repercussion.
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This is patently incorrect. As in this situation you put forth. You are not mirandized, as you are not going to be questioned/interrogated. If you (as the arrestee) decide at this point to say you've been drinking or say anything else that would FURTHER implicate you, it CAN be used as evidence at trial. It's called a spontaneous utterance. It was not elicited through questioning, but through your own volition.
Submitted by Maddog (user info) at 2007-07-10 08:39:25 EDT (#)
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I'd be curious to know what happens with this case when it goes to trial. Here is what I think will be the outcome:
1. Found guilty of DIP. A statutory fine will be imposed unless you get a lawyer, then maybe a lesser fine and some community service.
2. Lawsuit? Never happening. You have no standing for any sort of lawsuit.
The End. Life will go on and you'll find something else to become the focus of the day.
Submitted by Zeglamancer (user info) at 2007-07-09 18:36:49 EDT (#)
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The LT was probably paid half of the stolen money to just talk you through and let you think it was being handled. I mean how would you ever know otherwise?
Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2007-07-09 18:24:24 EDT (#)
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i had a similar situation, where the cops clearly wronged me (by stealing the money that was in my wallet), and i was let go with no charges filed. i wanted to go file a report with internal affairs, but everyone told me to 'let it go.'
i did what i thought was right, and spoke with the LT on duty and filed a report.
do whats right.
Submitted by Zeglamancer (user info) at 2007-07-09 16:26:05 EDT (#)
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I haven't read all of the replies so I don't know if anyone has popped the big question yet, I will ask it now.
Are you black?
If so, a black man jumping fences is certainly probable cause enough to me to arrest you. Time and time again its not just some college kid jumping into his friend's yard. Its some crackhead robbing people.
Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2007-07-09 10:48:19 EDT (#)
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I've been there, and way too many times for "youthful indescretions".
When it comes to misdemeanors it's all about fucking with you, because they feel that you fucked with them first. It's all an ego thing, but small town cops rarely get the opportunity to make public arrests and will often jump at the opportunity.
Besides they know that even if it were an unlawful arrest, or fuck up in the chain of custody that 99% of people will be glad enough that it's over and not seek legal remediation. Those that do try and seek legal help often end up exasperated by the complex bureacratical system thrown up before them.
Alot of people here are telling you to litigate or contact the paper.
Honestly man, it sucks I know, but you're better off just letting it lie, and taking the experience to heart especially if you want to be an attorney.
Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2007-07-09 08:50:32 EDT (#)
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That sucks ass. Jail sucks and you're never there for less than 8 hours.
And if you want to be a lawyer you better take some English classes.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-07-09 07:41:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-07-09 02:36:11 EDT (#)
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When they asked you if you have been drinking, you should have said, "Am I under arrest?" When they said, "It depends on if you've been drinking," which they certainly would have, you should have said, "well, then I will not say another word without a lawyer present, and while you're at it, you can go get a warrant to do any testing on me because until you do, I refuse. You have no basis to suspect I've done anything wrong. You lack probable cause. Take me to jail if you wish, but I assure you you WILL have your ass sued for unlawful arrest."
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Climbing over a fence is probable cause.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-07-09 07:36:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Kaelic (user info) at 2007-07-09 01:16:58 EDT (#)
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And Indo, the correlation between drugs and crime is far shakier than the correlation between alcohol and crime. You forget that the majority of drug related robberies wouldn't exist if prices were regulated so that, like cigarettes, anyone who wanted it could afford it.
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The correlation between drugs like weed and crime are far shakier than the correlation between alcohol and crime. If you look at something like crack that is another story (I don't know if you are saying "soft" drugs should be legal or all drugs).
Cigarette prices aren't regulated, they are taxed. I know drugs cost more because they are illegal, but if they were made legal there is no promise they wont be obscenely taxed so they would be just as expensive. Look at alcohol, you don't think people ever commit crimes to get money for booze?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-07-09 04:58:44 EDT (#)
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You know what...Maddog is right. They didn't have to read you your rights unless they were questioning you about the possible commission of a crime. But if they do, guess what...anything you say, like, for instance, "I've had one drink of vodka", is completely inadmissible as evidence in court as long as you were in their custodial detention, meaning if any reasonable person would conclude that you were not in a position to simply walk away from them without repercussion.
Excerpt from the 5th Amendment:
"[No person shall] be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law..."
This is repeated in the 14th Amendment explicitly for the States:
"nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law..."
To be deprived of liberty without due process of law - i.e. a reasonable suspicion based on tangible evidence - is a violation of your 14th Amendment rights, and to be arrested without probable cause is a direct violation of your 4th Amendment rights:
Read in 42 U.S.C. 1983 about civil recourse to false imprisonment: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode42/usc_sec_42_00001983----000-.html
http://www.grsmb.com/CM/Resources/Police-Liability.asp
An unlawful arrest and detention by a police officer effected under color of state law gives rise to an action under section 1983 for deprivation of a federally protected right. Monroe v. Pape, 365 U.S. 167, 81 S.Ct. 473 (1961);Pierson v. Ray, 386 U.S. 547, 87 S.Ct. 1213 (1967). A false imprisonment claim under ' 1983 is based on the protections of the Fourteenth Amendment against deprivations of liberty without due process of law as well as the Fourth Amendment's prohibition on unreasonable seizures. Baker v. McCollan, 443 U.S. 137, 142, 99 Sup.Ct. 2689, 2693-94 (1979). Where a police officer lacks probable cause to make an arrest, the arrestee has a claim under ' 1983 for false imprisonment based upon a detention pursuant to that arrest. Ortega v. Christian, 85 F.3d 1521 (11th Cir. 1996). Moreover, under certain circumstances, a detention following a valid arrest may present a viable section 1983 claim where the detainee protests the detention on the basis of misidentification. Cannon v. Macon County, 1 F.3d 1558, 1562 ( 11th Cir. 1993)(citing Baker v. McCollan, 443 U.S. 137, 145, 99 S.Ct. 2689, 2694-95, 61 L.Ed.2d 433 (1979)).
Plaintiff must show that qualified immunity does not apply in the case because the offending party did not have probable cause to detain you:
http://www.grsmb.com/CM/Resources/Police-Liability.asp
An arrest does not violate the Fourth Amendment if a police officer has probable cause for the arrest. See Lee, 284 F.3d at 1194-95; Ortega v. Christian, 85 F.3d 1521, 1525 (11th Cir.1996); Von Stein v. Brescher, 904 F.2d 572, 578 (11th Cir.1990). "For probable cause to exist, ... an arrest must be objectively reasonable based on the totality of the circumstances." Lee, supra at 1195. "This standard is met when the facts and circumstances within the officer's knowledge, of which he or she has reasonably trustworthy information, would cause a prudent person to believe, under the circumstances shown, that the suspect has committed, is committing, or is about to commit an offense." Dahl v. Holley, 312 F.3d 1228, at 1233 (11th Cir. 2002); Rankin v. Evans, 133 F.3d 1425, 1435 (11th Cir.1998) "Although probable cause requires more than suspicion, it does not require convincing proof, and need not reach the [same] standard of conclusiveness and probability as the facts necessary to support a conviction." Lee, 284 F.3d at 1195.
To claim that they had probable cause to make the arrest on you, they would have to show that they acted in accordance with the above guidelines, which they could easily do seeing as you were a) climbing a person's fence suspiciously, and b) had told them you had been drinking.
It is true, however, that since you were not Mirandized properly, any confessions you made to them in their custody (even while you were standing outside), including your confession of having had a drink, would be inadmissible in court under the 5th Amendment, thus weakening their case.
These facts in tandem with the fact that they verbally disclosed to you their intention of arresting you on another charge, (disorderly conduct), if you did not stop requesting a breathalyzer could constitute an aggravated circumstance and show that you were a victim of hostile and unequal treatment.
I'm not a lawyer, but it looks like you could possibly have a case here. Even if you do not, you should write your state representative and demand the laws be changed to mandate that a person who is arrested under suspicion of alcohol or drug intoxication be given the proper scientific tests when so requested for the purposes of future vindication. To deny this is to deny a person a proper redress of grievances and a confrontation of one's accusers.
It appears most states afford their citizens the right to such tests already, and some, Arizona and Wisconsin as examples, afford citizens the right to request an alternative test other than a breathalyzer, and a failure to advise a citizen of that right upon arrest is grounds for later motion to exclude the breathalyzer evidence from court.
In short, talk to a lawyer. You might even call the ACLU in your state and see if you have a case.
Good luck.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2007-07-09 02:45:54 EDT (#)
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I don't know what this "turning" into a police state issue is - there have always been dickhead cops. In fact, cops are far better now than they used to be, especially in the South, where a sheriff could very happily give you the rifle butt to your gut if he felt you were 'resisting'. No question, there are tons of low-browed mouth breathing police out there, but the fact is cops have more oversight than ever, and there is more legal recourse than ever to address existing issues.
That said, those cops were out of line and, if they were willing to tell the truth under oath, you'd have a decent lawsuit on your hands. Dick cops are, sadly, a fact of life.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-07-09 02:44:45 EDT (#)
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"You may be a terrorist for all I know...You've made threats."
Know your rights, people.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-07-09 02:42:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by PerkMan (user info) at 2007-07-06 03:46:22 EDT (#)
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Rob you don't even want to know. He was trying to pin something on me with this talk about. " I can't verify who you are. I don't know what you have done?"
" I have never heard of this name before in my life. It seems supscious"
"Why would I let your coach come here and verify who you are? He could just be lying any one could come here and say you are who you say you are"
It was fucking unbeliveable in every sense. I fucking hate america right now. And I really hate cops.
The only way to not get fucked by them is to become one or be a lawyer yourself. the laws here are getting insane.
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Wait till they start claiming you have "a bomb in your bag". When they start demanding you take your camera out of their face, when they are the ones accosting YOU on a public sidewalk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skJIxsjzs8Y
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-07-09 02:36:11 EDT (#)
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People who have yet to have such experiences cannot believe how badly cops can behave until they see it for themselves.
America is turning into a fucking police state. You're guilty until proven innocent. You could try to sue for unlawful arrest, but you'd probably get absolutely nowhere unless it was highly publicized.
Basically what it amounts to is those cops who arrested you violated your civil liberties. You should have told them that's what they were doing as they were doing it!
"Officer, I'll have you know that this is a serious breach of my civil liberties. I have not disturbed the peace, I was on my friend's property, he did not lodge a complaint on me, so you cannot charge me with trespassing, and you are detaining me in violation of my 4th and 5th Amendment rights!"
When they asked you if you have been drinking, you should have said, "Am I under arrest?" When they said, "It depends on if you've been drinking," which they certainly would have, you should have said, "well, then I will not say another word without a lawyer present, and while you're at it, you can go get a warrant to do any testing on me because until you do, I refuse. You have no basis to suspect I've done anything wrong. You lack probable cause. Take me to jail if you wish, but I assure you you WILL have your ass sued for unlawful arrest."
The best thing you can do is take this as a serious lesson learned and carry a tiny tape-recorder with you everywhere you go, and a copy of the Bill of Rights...I'm not joking...so you can read it aloud to them in the back of the squad car or in your jail cell.
They need to know that they cannot do what they did to you, whether they're trying to fill some quota or not. They need to know that it is against everything a free America stands for to arrest people willy nilly without evidence, without charge, without reading your rights, without a complaintant against you...
How fitting that it happened on the 4th of July.
Submitted by Kaelic (user info) at 2007-07-09 01:16:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Maddog (user info) at 2007-07-08 13:54:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Kaelic (user info) at 2007-07-06 11:50:02 EDT (#)
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"It's an industry, and it's big money"
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Wow, really? Then where is my six figure salary? Sorry, but you're full of shit. Have some facts before you spout off.
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Hahaha. So because some mailroom clerk at Microsoft doesn't get paid a six figure salary, I guess that makes the computer industry small business. Get real, dude. You're a bottom rung peon. There are judges and top DOC people that bank big money. You're deluded if you think otherwise. And just because you don't make a six figure salary, if crime rates went down you might not even have your five figure salary, jackass.
And Indo, the correlation between drugs and crime is far shakier than the correlation between alcohol and crime. You forget that the majority of drug related robberies wouldn't exist if prices were regulated so that, like cigarettes, anyone who wanted it could afford it.
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You are under the mistaken impression that "The Goverment", i.e.- courts, jails, etc., are a profit motivated business. Fines and costs are a byproduct of the system, not the objective. There is no incentive to generate "revenue" by arresting more people, or tacking more fines on to a person.
I'm sure you think you're an "expert" , as you probably took a CJ class in Junior college, or god forbid a pre-law class, but let me tell you something, junior: you don't know jack. I AM an expert on this. I'll stack my knowledge and experience base up against you or anyone anyone else and they'd be hard pressed to beat it. So, unless you have more than schoolbook rhetoric, just continue to nod and smile.
Oh, and as long as there are assholes like you out there, I'll never be out of work.
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Wow, Maddog, wow. You really are an asshole, aren't you? Because I disagree with your sorry doughy cake eating ass I deserve to be arrested by some butt fucking pig like you? Fuck off, dickweed. You just lost all respect from me. You, like Indo, are just some know it all prick wanting to look cool and sound smart to a bunch of strangers. Go back to jerking it to child porn you piece of shit. Damn that "schoolbook rhetoric" and things like "facts" and "evidence" ... you've been a sorry, poor cop for 18 year so hell if you don't know it all!
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2007-07-09 00:19:01 EDT (#)
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"Submitted by pandora (user info) at 2007-07-08 17:26:04 EDT (#)
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Most people look at me incredulously when I tell them that they're required to by law."
i don't know where you picked up on this, and i'm sure it varies by state, but it's certainly not required by law here. it's required for it to exist, but you do not need to have it on you. not even when stopped for traffic violations
Submitted by Adam_Warlock (user info) at 2007-07-08 20:36:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by pandora (user info) at 2007-07-08 18:22:25 EDT (#)
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Oh sorry, Perkman, I missed the part where you explained the name misspelling. When I got my new driver's license, they entered all my info into the system, then printed it out and had me verify that it was correct. I hope this becomes standard practice.
Submitted by forthewin (user info) at 2007-07-08 17:41:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Kaelic (user info) at 2007-07-06 11:50:02 EDT (#)
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"It's an industry, and it's big money"
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Wow, really? Then where is my six figure salary? Sorry, but you're full of shit. Have some facts before you spout off.
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Hahaha. So because some mailroom clerk at Microsoft doesn't get paid a six figure salary, I guess that makes the computer industry small business. Get real, dude. You're a bottom rung peon. There are judges and top DOC people that bank big money. You're deluded if you think otherwise. And just because you don't make a six figure salary, if crime rates went down you might not even have your five figure salary, jackass.
And Indo, the correlation between drugs and crime is far shakier than the correlation between alcohol and crime. You forget that the majority of drug related robberies wouldn't exist if prices were regulated so that, like cigarettes, anyone who wanted it could afford it.
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You are under the mistaken impression that "The Goverment", i.e.- courts, jails, etc., are a profit motivated business. Fines and costs are a byproduct of the system, not the objective. There is no incentive to generate "revenue" by arresting more people, or tacking more fines on to a person.
I'm sure you think you're an "expert" , as you probably took a CJ class in Junior college, or god forbid a pre-law class, but let me tell you something, junior: you don't know jack. I AM an expert on this. I'll stack my knowledge and experience base up against you or anyone anyone else and they'd be hard pressed to beat it. So, unless you have more than schoolbook rhetoric, just continue to nod and smile.
Oh, and as long as there are assholes like you out there, I'll never be out of work.
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I don't pretend to have extensive knowledge on the subject, but I'm curious as to your opinion on why there are so many "click it or ticket" stops these days, and why they've been cracking down on minor traffic infractions more than ever, and also, why police make a habit of using minor traffic infractions to bust people for weed. These are all things that seem to be more money motivated than for the good of the people. And even if they still aren't money motivated, what is it then?
Submitted by pandora (user info) at 2007-07-08 17:26:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Maddog (user info) at 2007-07-06 09:48:29 EDT (#)
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Field sobiety is used for DUI, not drunk in public and yes, a "valid", as in state issued identification card or drivers license is what is needed to prove positive identity.
From reading this, he WAS charged, booked and eventually released. If he had had more than some bullshit college ID, I'm sure his stay wouldn't have been as long.
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It'd be so much easier if all police had computers connected to the DMV database. (I thought they did.) For whatever reason, a lot of people find it extremely inconvenient to carry valid ID on them at all times. Most people look at me incredulously when I tell them that they're required to by law. Recently, I lost my wallet with my driver's license, so I made an appointment at the DMV to get a new one. Since that was my only picture ID, I wasn't sure how I was going to prove I was who I said I was. It didn't occur to me that they had a picture of my old driver's license in their system (duh). They didn't ask to see anything else; that was all the proof they needed.
Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-07-08 17:13:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-07-08 14:43:17 EDT (#)
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i feel your pain and outrage. i've been arrested for shit like this when all i was doing was minding my own business and not breaking any laws. dirty cops are a fact of life and there's not much you can do about it. you can write a letter, but it will just get thrown away. you can get a lawyer, but you'll just be wasting your money. you can tell the judge all about it (i tried that one) and she/he will just tell you to pay the fine and be on your way.
there's nothing you can do about it and it sucks bigtime. you just gotta eat this one and chalk it up as a real bad day.
Submitted by Maddog (user info) at 2007-07-08 13:54:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Kaelic (user info) at 2007-07-06 11:50:02 EDT (#)
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"It's an industry, and it's big money"
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Wow, really? Then where is my six figure salary? Sorry, but you're full of shit. Have some facts before you spout off.
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Hahaha. So because some mailroom clerk at Microsoft doesn't get paid a six figure salary, I guess that makes the computer industry small business. Get real, dude. You're a bottom rung peon. There are judges and top DOC people that bank big money. You're deluded if you think otherwise. And just because you don't make a six figure salary, if crime rates went down you might not even have your five figure salary, jackass.
And Indo, the correlation between drugs and crime is far shakier than the correlation between alcohol and crime. You forget that the majority of drug related robberies wouldn't exist if prices were regulated so that, like cigarettes, anyone who wanted it could afford it.
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You are under the mistaken impression that "The Goverment", i.e.- courts, jails, etc., are a profit motivated business. Fines and costs are a byproduct of the system, not the objective. There is no incentive to generate "revenue" by arresting more people, or tacking more fines on to a person.
I'm sure you think you're an "expert" , as you probably took a CJ class in Junior college, or god forbid a pre-law class, but let me tell you something, junior: you don't know jack. I AM an expert on this. I'll stack my knowledge and experience base up against you or anyone anyone else and they'd be hard pressed to beat it. So, unless you have more than schoolbook rhetoric, just continue to nod and smile.
Oh, and as long as there are assholes like you out there, I'll never be out of work.
Submitted by Poots (user info) at 2007-07-08 12:29:55 EDT (#)
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0434409/
Submitted by lechuza (user info) at 2007-07-08 12:11:30 EDT (#)
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Sits and waits for ETS to come by
Submitted by Maddog (user info) at 2007-07-08 12:06:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2007-07-07 04:13:14 EDT (#)
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lol
For some reason I doubt that your side of the story is the whole truth.
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I'm guessing the same, but what do I know.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2007-07-07 04:13:14 EDT (#)
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lol
For some reason I doubt that your side of the story is the whole truth.
Submitted by KamiKrieger (user info) at 2007-07-07 00:00:05 EDT (#)
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My shiny internet friend, you have been deprived of your civil rights.
I say you were pretty lucky.
If our civil liberties have reached this level degradation now, just think of how worse it will be in, say, ten more years..
Submitted by Tom (user info) at 2007-07-06 21:30:28 EDT (#)
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Kick their asses. Hard.
Submitted by firefly (user info) at 2007-07-06 21:23:08 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Director (user info) at 2007-07-06 20:00:58 EDT (#)
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Interesting post. I've had my own share of problems with the law (though in my case I was actually wrong) but I feel for ya.
On a side note, please remind me never to hire you as my attorney, should you really pass the bar. Anyone who writes like this is bound to be a shitty lawyer.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2007-07-06 19:03:25 EDT (#)
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your country sucks. move or skate it off.
Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2007-07-06 18:31:09 EDT (#)
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represent, Maddog
Submitted by FatTony (user info) at 2007-07-06 18:06:45 EDT (#)
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A school ID is not a valid ID. It only works on school property.
A ATM card is not valid ID either. I can open an account, then ask for a separate ATM for Big Bird and it will say Big Bird on it. It's not a form of ID, it's a bank card that allows you to purchase shit with your pin number. In a lot of stores, they will ask you for ID when using a ATM, even if your pin number works.
I have an American Express card that says my company name then "Fat Tony" right above it. They did not ask me any questions, just asked how many cards would I like and what names would I like on them.
They could have easily held you for 72 hours (July 4th, Saturday & Sunday do not count), you would have been in there until Monday at 11:59PM and released without any paperwork.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2007-07-06 17:28:24 EDT (#)
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fuck perkmans, cops get what they want because they deserve it
Submitted by PerkMan (user info) at 2007-07-06 16:08:43 EDT (#)
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Sinsteral: I'm never going to speak to a cop again. I'm just going to dash into the sea of people like I did when I was 17. Funny I try to be an adult about something and then Bam!! locked up.
I just going to run from now on. I don't know what to do. I'm just going to sit on this for a couple days and then do something about it. But something will be done. I might call lawyer and see if I have a case or else I just might write the chief a letter and let him know how I was treated. I don't want to get my name around out here with a court case or something. Having cops in the area know who I am I know is not going to be good for me. At all.
Submitted by Sinistral (user info) at 2007-07-06 16:03:54 EDT (#)
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My suggestion is if you are going to write to a chief of police, you may want to clean up your grammar.
I read the entire post, and I do completely agree with you that everything done was well out of line. Next time, run like your stealing home.
Submitted by PerkMan (user info) at 2007-07-06 16:00:15 EDT (#)
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Honestly my real problem wasn't with getting arrested. It was the incompetence shown in the jail. We had guys that had been in there for 24hrs on a "drunk in public charge" when we tried to tell the officer they might have missed our names or else what was going on they would ignore us. Or just yell back "Shut up", "Wait your turn".
When the cop told me he couldn't find my name in the computer and that it was odd. I tried to tell him I have never been arrested and that my last name (German decent) was hard to spell and has been misspelled by the DMV a number of times. He just gave me a look and kept saying shit like " You could be Joe Thomas from UTAH who has 3 warrants and a rape charge." "I just can't let you go. I don't know who you are" etc.
I then proceeded to say to him " So you're telling me I don't exist or that I haven't existed since my birth?" He kept saying he had no accountability for me since I was born. Basically he found it odd that I didn't have a prior record until yesterday. Claiming stuff like " I got arrested when I was 18" everyone has been taken in once before".
What pissed me off was when he was insinuating holding me until I saw a judge. It was insane. The deal with calling someone to verify who I was, Was something he brought up. I told him the numbers were in my cell phone but he claimed they could not get it for me and that I could not see it. He then asked me if I wanted to Bail out. He kept saying he couldn't release me because they didn't know who I was. Because my fingerprints didn't show up. It was the most agonizing experience in my life. I really lost a lot of respect for cops that day.
I was the second to last guy to be let go. There was a guy in there just about as long as me and he got the same crap. They arrested some Mexican guy and I knew he was gone. They couldn't find him in the computer but they found his ID as invalid or something. He was 40ty something years old and couldn't speak English. I think he got a trip back to Mexico.
I fucking hate cops I really do. My friends think I should just let this go and let it blow over. I'm thinking of writing a letter to the chief of the department and letting him know how shitty the experience was. They treated me like a criminal for having a "Drunk in public". He kept insisting I had done other things when I told him I had done nothing.
He kept saying "Why don't you tell me why I can't find your I.D. in the system? Are you lying? Who are you? Etc.
What the fuck people. What the fuck....
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2007-07-06 15:12:35 EDT (#)
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The ticket I got in college was in state. The fucker didn't even drop the speed for the ticket to make it easier on me. I was going 77 in a 65 and he wrote down 77. Who does that?
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-07-06 15:06:47 EDT (#)
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if it's out of state from where you're registered it's a waste to get a lawyer in most cases. some of them communicate but it's really rare and also usually only in metro areas. even then not always. i live in ct and i've had a speeding ticket in new jersey and new york (i'm speshul) and neither one got reported to the ct dmv so they're not on my record at all. and for the most part it seems insurance companies are not aware of things you don't tell them. i have had a few between moving states and with different cars and drivers and none of them ever found out anything i didn't tell them or wasn't explicitly on my record. and even things that were didn't always show up. the ct dmv even screwed up once and put a ticket on my record at a point when i didn't even live in the state and drive a car and the insurance companies never got that despite the fact it was directly connected to my driving record.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-07-06 14:59:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2007-07-06 14:34:55 EDT (#)
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I see that indoninja guy is still a tool.
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I wish I was a winner like you.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/84317#1999222
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-07-06 14:56:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Kaelic (user info) at 2007-07-06 13:59:39 EDT (#)
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And Indo, the correlation between drugs and crime is far shakier than the correlation between alcohol and crime. You forget that the majority of drug related robberies wouldn't exist if prices were regulated so that, like cigarettes, anyone who wanted it could afford it.
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Cigarette prices aren't regulated, they are taxed.
Do you really think that rock bottom prices for crack would have a good effect on society (if you are just talking about weed, I see your point, I personally think it will open a big can of worms but it might be better than the mess we have now)?
(get it ROCK - CRACK, ha I kill me!)
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2007-07-06 14:36:41 EDT (#)
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I learned back when I was in college to never, ever just pay a speeding ticket. I think it was a $65 ticket so I just paid it and then my insurance bill came in. It was seriously triple what it had been before and it was three years before it went back down. I don't think that one came with court costs but someone at work had one that he paid a lawyer to get out of. They waived the actual ticket but he still had to pay court costs but it didn't hit his insurance.
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2007-07-06 14:34:55 EDT (#)
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I see that indoninja guy is still a tool.
At least you learned your lesson...stay away from 30 year old broads.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-07-06 14:23:47 EDT (#)
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um, who in their right mind protests every speeding ticket you get? especially if you get them out of state. most states don't talk to other states when it comes to driving record.
why wouldn't you pay it? why would you call a lawyer, take the day from work to protest a speeding ticket that you probably really did earn. especially since most of the time if you go and contest it you'll still have to pay it and then pay court fees.
also, since when does the ticket fine not include court fees? i've never had to pay an added court fee for paying a ticket. once i had a $1 surcharge on a ticket cuz i paid it online and it was a "convenience" fee.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2007-07-06 14:09:16 EDT (#)
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I think that Kaelic has a point. I think about this whenever I hear about someone getting a speeding ticket. You get a ticket, it says oh say $65 on it but even if you pay it you'll have to pay court costs. This is even if you don't go to court. I don't quite get that one.
But the thing is, no one actually pays these tickets. Oh hell no because if you do then your car insurance triples for three years. So you pay $200 for a lawyer to make a few phone calls. He sends you to some high school like detention calling itself driving school that costs whatever it costs probably at least $50. Then the lawyer gets you off claiming that your late model BMW somehow has a faulty speedometer.
That's NOT a racket?
Submitted by Kaelic (user info) at 2007-07-06 13:59:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Maddog (user info) at 2007-07-06 12:06:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Kaelic (user info) at 2007-07-06 11:50:02 EDT (#)
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"It's an industry, and it's big money"
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Wow, really? Then where is my six figure salary? Sorry, but you're full of shit. Have some facts before you spout off.
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Hahaha. So because some mailroom clerk at Microsoft doesn't get paid a six figure salary, I guess that makes the computer industry small business. Get real, dude. You're a bottom rung peon. There are judges and top DOC people that bank big money. You're deluded if you think otherwise. And just because you don't make a six figure salary, if crime rates went down you might not even have your five figure salary, jackass.
And Indo, the correlation between drugs and crime is far shakier than the correlation between alcohol and crime. You forget that the majority of drug related robberies wouldn't exist if prices were regulated so that, like cigarettes, anyone who wanted it could afford it.
Submitted by PokeyMen (user info) at 2007-07-06 13:53:23 EDT (#)
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now you know how it feels to be a nigger
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-07-06 13:46:32 EDT (#)
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loki just rated to this post so she could talk about her a lot.
i bet she never shuts the fuck up at lunch hour and that all her collegues are aggravated.
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2007-07-06 13:43:25 EDT (#)
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none of it's legal. if true.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2007-07-06 13:28:40 EDT (#)
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Here's the thing a good cop has this instinct about things. I've seen this in action and it is rather impressive. They just somehow seem to know what to ignore and what to focus on. I've always thought that the problem with all the rent-a-cop security types is that they lack this whatever you call it - center say. By that I mean that a good cop can see something going on, some guy who appears drunk hopping a fence and within 30 seconds knows if a simple "hey cut it out" will suffice or if this person needs to spend a few hours in the drunk tank.
Of course you have the ones like this appears to be where you have cops who are overly gung ho and looking to bust everyone for the slightest little thing that may appear odd. Those guys get all kind of pissed off at the fact that they can't get any convictions because lets face it, if they had tried to press charges a first year law student would have made mince meat out of this guy.
The past couple of years we've had riots and general mayhem going on during the 4th of July. It was getting so bad that the major sponsor of the whole fireworks show moved it to the suburbs. Unfuckingbelievable really. I mean come on. If NY, Boston, Detroit... can somehow pull of a 4th of July show in the middle of their damn cities then why the fuck can't Charlotte the 20th largest city in the country pull it off. It was getting embarrassing so the powers that be essentially instituted a 0 tolerance for BS, brought in a whole platoon of extra cops, and things were quite peaceful.
The problem is that now the statistics on this have hit the papers and of the 143 adults arrested a whopping 122 of them were black. A few of these people were also arrested in previous 4th of July celebrations and now they are claming that they were profiled. I imagine that at least some of the claims of profiling were valid but don't come crying to me about how you get arrested every single 4th of July claiming bias. So out of the million or so people in the city somehow the police are targeting you? Well son in that case you might want to stop going to places where there are lots and lots of police like say uptown during the 4th of July.
Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-07-06 12:58:48 EDT (#)
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take names and kick ass.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-07-06 12:50:09 EDT (#)
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Plus this only happens to poor colored people who are high on crack cocaine, I know because I watch cops.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-07-06 12:49:23 EDT (#)
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i didn't read anything to be honest :-|
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-07-06 12:48:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-07-06 12:40:20 EDT (#)
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lol, look at indoninja panicking..."THIS CAN'T BE TRUE, WE'RE PERFECT!" :-D
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Were you talking about my response to Kaos, or to perk?
have you read anything else this guy wrote? he is a genius star athlete, who gets accepted and kicked out of colleges about as often as I shit, so I have toruble believing what he says. I did however say that if this is true he should sue, and it is pretty fucked up.
With Kaos about the cab's I can see his point, but people don't often realize the red tape they make cab companies go through as far as safety maintenance on cabs and proving they have trustworthy cab drivers (if they don't have a seperate cab driver liscencing system).
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-07-06 12:40:20 EDT (#)
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lol, look at indoninja panicking..."THIS CAN'T BE TRUE, WE'RE PERFECT!" :-D
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-07-06 12:29:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-07-06 11:03:08 EDT (#)
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There used to be one years ago, but it went out of business. Since then, various companies have tried to open, but the City Councils either finds ways to block them or the cops harrass them so badly once they DO open they don't last long. The eastern side of Portage County, OH has an astronomical DUI rate compared to the state average. Now granted, Kent State is here, but there are half a dozen Universities peppered throughout this area in driving distance. No, it's because they won't allow Taxi Services in, won't allow overnight parking and have constant DUI checkpoints at major intersections. It was discovered about a year back by the Akron-Beacon Journal (I think) that the "Portage County DUI Taskforce" was pulling in millions of dollars in extra federal aid due to their numbers.
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How does city council block them? I mean are any of their reasons for not allowing a taxi company to operate there really unreasonable, and how do cops harass them? I don't doubt they make a lot of money from DUI, but most cities like to cut the number of DUI offenses for public relation images, and as much money they make from it when DUI accidents do happen it is very costly.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-07-06 12:24:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Kaelic (user info) at 2007-07-06 11:58:39 EDT (#)
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It's theorized (and almost certainly true) that if drug use was decriminalized, the United States might enjoy the extremely low crime rates the rest of other first world nations with no "War on drugs" have. Now I personally do not use any controlled substances, but I think this makes a lot of sense. However, were that to happen, it would also cut down on up to 70% of incacerations. This would mean a lot of judges, lawyers, and officers (forgot to mention probation officers, too) would be out of work and a lot of lawns wouldn't be getting mowed for free.
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I think you over estimate how much labor is produced by the penal system. Most prisoners who work work to support the institution they are in.
It is hardly certainly true that legalization fo drugs would fix the crime problem in the US. While drug offenses are a big part of people in prison (not 70% like you said) it is a fact that people on drugs are much more likely to commit crimes ranging from assault and murder not just dealing or illegal posession. If drugs were legal use would surely rise and the negative behavior associated it would undoubtedly rise as well.
Submitted by Maddog (user info) at 2007-07-06 12:06:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Kaelic (user info) at 2007-07-06 11:50:02 EDT (#)
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"It's an industry, and it's big money"
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Wow, really? Then where is my six figure salary? Sorry, but you're full of shit. Have some facts before you spout off.
Submitted by Kaelic (user info) at 2007-07-06 11:58:39 EDT (#)
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It's theorized (and almost certainly true) that if drug use was decriminalized, the United States might enjoy the extremely low crime rates the rest of other first world nations with no "War on drugs" have. Now I personally do not use any controlled substances, but I think this makes a lot of sense. However, were that to happen, it would also cut down on up to 70% of incacerations. This would mean a lot of judges, lawyers, and officers (forgot to mention probation officers, too) would be out of work and a lot of lawns wouldn't be getting mowed for free.
Submitted by Kaelic (user info) at 2007-07-06 11:50:02 EDT (#)
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6. Be a man (or woman). Look you got arrested. For DIP. It's a fucking misdemeanor. Own up to your actions, and if you like, fight it in court, not on the street. You aren't going to win ANY battles or arguments with the arresting officers or booking deputies. Period.
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Uh, negative. This is a terrible attitude. Cops often arrest people to make themselves look good. Arrests are what fuels the system.
Here, not to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but consider this: We have an entire legal system built around the arrest of petty offenders. Don't believe me? Think about all the people the legal system employ's ... from the top down: Judges, prosecutors, public defenders, deputies, correction officers (for Jails and Prisons), police officers to do the actual arresting, secretarial and clerical workers. LOTS of them. Billions of dollars worth.
Now, in any industry, what happens when demand (arrests) goes down? What's that? Right, you lay people off. Which judge, lawyer, clerical worker, or officer wants to lose their job? I'm betting none. Also, they get probably millions (if not billions) of dollars of free labor from in-mates in the form of work-release and community service.
It's an industry, and it's big money. Believe me or not, but the quickest way to turn a social "lock 'em all up!" conservative into a "bleeding heart human rights protector" liberal is to get into the system just once, and have YOUR rights stepped on.
Submitted by Antioxident (user info) at 2007-07-06 11:27:57 EDT (#)
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Sometimes you get lucky like i did on the 4th of july.
I did 59 in a 45 and got a warning.
Probably the closest call in my entire life
Submitted by livEvil (user info) at 2007-07-06 11:05:16 EDT (#)
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That sucks. There's very litle you could do about it, though.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-07-06 11:03:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:35:02 EDT (#)
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Maddog - - I'll bet you're a cop in a relatively metropolitan area. You've probably see REAL crime. You come across as a level-headed guy, too. It's just that, back in my home town and here in my adopted town, the police force is terribly corrupt. Now, neither are exactly sprawling cities, so I think it's out of simple boredom. But when the police run Taxi services out of town and the City Council makes legislation so there's no overnight parking, then they set up DUI check points every other weekend so they can stay in the top 10% and get tons of extra funding...
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how did they run the taxi service out of town?
and where is this so I can open my own taxi service?
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There used to be one years ago, but it went out of business. Since then, various companies have tried to open, but the City Councils either finds ways to block them or the cops harrass them so badly once they DO open they don't last long. The eastern side of Portage County, OH has an astronomical DUI rate compared to the state average. Now granted, Kent State is here, but there are half a dozen Universities peppered throughout this area in driving distance. No, it's because they won't allow Taxi Services in, won't allow overnight parking and have constant DUI checkpoints at major intersections. It was discovered about a year back by the Akron-Beacon Journal (I think) that the "Portage County DUI Taskforce" was pulling in millions of dollars in extra federal aid due to their numbers.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:49:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:35:02 EDT (#)
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Maddog - - I'll bet you're a cop in a relatively metropolitan area. You've probably see REAL crime. You come across as a level-headed guy, too. It's just that, back in my home town and here in my adopted town, the police force is terribly corrupt. Now, neither are exactly sprawling cities, so I think it's out of simple boredom. But when the police run Taxi services out of town and the City Council makes legislation so there's no overnight parking, then they set up DUI check points every other weekend so they can stay in the top 10% and get tons of extra funding...
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how did they run the taxi service out of town?
and where is this so I can open my own taxi service? With cost of DUI's going up it seems like a good time to get involved with a taxi company.
Submitted by Maddog (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:42:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:35:02 EDT (#)
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Maddog - - I'll bet you're a cop in a relatively metropolitan area. You've probably see REAL crime. You come across as a level-headed guy, too.
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Right on all three counts. Thanks for the last one, too. After 18 years of doing this, I like to think I have my shit a little bit together.
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:39:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:37:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:28:21 EDT (#)
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Maddog, I don't know about you but personally I see this as rather shoddy work on the part of the arresting officers.
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HEY!!! Drogo, weren't you a cop once???
Granted, a British Officer, so barely anyone of importance, but still...
**runs away**
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Well Mother fucker! Again I come across a defamatory statement by Kaos. I'm getting my arm rings on and swimming across to get you boy.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:37:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:28:21 EDT (#)
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Maddog, I don't know about you but personally I see this as rather shoddy work on the part of the arresting officers.
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HEY!!! Drogo, weren't you a cop once???
Granted, a British Officer, so barely anyone of importance, but still...
**runs away**
Submitted by Maddog (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:35:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:28:21 EDT (#)
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Maddog, I don't know about you but personally I see this as rather shoddy work on the part of the arresting officers.
Surely any officer worth any amount would have checked the suspects story out there and then, i.e gone and knocked on the door of the house he was supposedly about to trespass in and check out the story. No one wants to have to do unnecessary paperwork and this whole sorry episode sounds like an unnecessary and pointless excersize from moment one.
I would have to say that there was probably a bit of verbal to make the cops take it to the level they did, but even then what would you rather. Drag someone in on a pointless charge like this or just put him back in the premises with a flea in his ear and bugger off to find a more meaty job to do?
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Well, only having one side of the story, it would be wrong of me to second guess anyones actions. I wasn't there. Neither were you. I can only go by what was written here. Certainly, there are many options other than to take someone to jail in some situations and just as many variables that influence that decision. I have found that many people end up arresting themselves by their actions that do nothing but amplify a calm situation. Did this happen here? Maybe, maybe not.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:35:02 EDT (#)
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Maddog - - I'll bet you're a cop in a relatively metropolitan area. You've probably see REAL crime. You come across as a level-headed guy, too. It's just that, back in my home town and here in my adopted town, the police force is terribly corrupt. Now, neither are exactly sprawling cities, so I think it's out of simple boredom. But when the police run Taxi services out of town and the City Council makes legislation so there's no overnight parking, then they set up DUI check points every other weekend so they can stay in the top 10% and get tons of extra funding...
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:28:21 EDT (#)
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Maddog, I don't know about you but personally I see this as rather shoddy work on the part of the arresting officers.
Surely any officer worth any amount would have checked the suspects story out there and then, i.e gone and knocked on the door of the house he was supposedly about to trespass in and check out the story. No one wants to have to do unnecessary paperwork and this whole sorry episode sounds like an unnecessary and pointless excersize from moment one.
I would have to say that there was probably a bit of verbal to make the cops take it to the level they did, but even then what would you rather. Drag someone in on a pointless charge like this or just put him back in the premises with a flea in his ear and bugger off to find a more meaty job to do?
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:28:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Maddog (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:19:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:02:26 EDT (#)
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Maddog, I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything here...
But even though you say this is "THE LAW," do you still actually think it's right???
'Cause, eh... it seems to me that most people so far look at this situation as pretty fuckin' wrong.
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Yeah, I see the majority of the opinions here think this is a travesty of justice, but I have to take the opposing view. Having arrested many, many people for exactly the same charge, I know from experience (and from the one side of the story presented here) that what was done what nor outside the boundaries, laws or procedures for most jurisdictions.
Getting arrested is no fun. I've been on both sides of that fence (hey, I wasn't always a cop). As bad as it seems, people don't get arrested for no reason. If you are unhappy with the laws as they stand, call your legislators, congressman, councilmen and try to have them changed. The law is what it is. You don't have to agree with it, you just have to follow it.
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Wow.
"The law is what it is. You don't have to agree with it, you just have to follow it."
I'm almost speechless...
Submitted by Maddog (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:24:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:18:40 EDT (#)
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I see...
So the Officers of THE LAW in this country never, ever abuse their power?
They never twist the rules to meet their own agendas?
They never ignore regulations to make their jobs easier?
We should quietly & meekly accept all THE AUTHORITY granted to them by THE LAW without question?
They are without flaw, merely performing a civil duty to serve & protect at all times?
WE are the ones to be feared & mistrusted, while they are shining beacons of morality?
**sigh**
I know a lot of cops, by the way. The Ex's dad was a cop.
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Settle down there, cowboy.
I can't vouch for every cop, only myself. I'm sure there are "bad" cops, just like there are "bad" postmen, lawyers and trashmen. They are people, with the same attributes as everyone else. I was merely trying to shed a bit of professional insight and a view from the other side of the fence on this issue. I do know a bit about this.
Submitted by Brdn_Nkd (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:20:52 EDT (#)
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entertaining tale regardless of whether or not it's true.
I question the truth of the matter though when you make the statement that you hope to be a laywer and use the phrase "college educated" and then whip out the grammar and word misusage you've got here. If nothing else I can say that if you truly aspire to be a laywer you'd better take some english classes asap cause writing like that will not stand.
I don't claim to know the letter of the law but those who are saying this sounds on the up and up I think have got to be crazy or else things really are far worse than i thought possible in regards to our rights. I'm sorry but a DIP should not allow them to put you in a cell indefinitely without any right to contact anyone, without any right to request a breathalyzer to disprove the "charge" being laid, essentially without due process whatsoever. Basically what you're saying is if there's any inclination whatsoever that you've had any adult beverages then they can haul you in whenever they want and don't have to do anything to support thier claim that you are a nuisance or danger. they certainly have no cause or ground to lay trespassing on this kid since again they did nothing to verify that he was indeed trespassing. eh, whatever.
Submitted by Maddog (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:19:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:02:26 EDT (#)
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Maddog, I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything here...
But even though you say this is "THE LAW," do you still actually think it's right???
'Cause, eh... it seems to me that most people so far look at this situation as pretty fuckin' wrong.
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Yeah, I see the majority of the opinions here think this is a travesty of justice, but I have to take the opposing view. Having arrested many, many people for exactly the same charge, I know from experience (and from the one side of the story presented here) that what was done what nor outside the boundaries, laws or procedures for most jurisdictions.
Getting arrested is no fun. I've been on both sides of that fence (hey, I wasn't always a cop). As bad as it seems, people don't get arrested for no reason. If you are unhappy with the laws as they stand, call your legislators, congressman, councilmen and try to have them changed. The law is what it is. You don't have to agree with it, you just have to follow it.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:19:15 EDT (#)
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why does not having a valid form of id mean he can't call someone? to get a passport in this country if you don't have id you can bring in a relative with their id to sign a piece of paper saying you are who you say you are.
why wasn't he allowed to do that with the cops? why wasn't he allowed to have someone bring what id he did have?
maybe you don't get a breathalyzer, maybe you don't get miranda rights, but if you are arrested you probably have the right to call someone and say "hey i'm in jail".
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:18:40 EDT (#)
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I see...
So the Officers of THE LAW in this country never, ever abuse their power?
They never twist the rules to meet their own agendas?
They never ignore regulations to make their jobs easier?
We should quietly & meekly accept all THE AUTHORITY granted to them by THE LAW without question?
They are without flaw, merely performing a civil duty to serve & protect at all times?
WE are the ones to be feared & mistrusted, while they are shining beacons of morality?
**sigh**
I know a lot of cops, by the way. The Ex's dad was a cop.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:17:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Maddog (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:09:49 EDT (#)
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2. Don't start demanding your miranda rights, drug tests, field sobriety, or breathalyers. You aren't gonna get any of these for a drunk in public arrest. Ever.
4. Carry a valid form of identification. Look, without knowing WHO you are, you aren't gonna get out of jail. Your "Almost-a-Bank" check cashing card, Blockbuster video rental ID and Mensa membership card will do nothing to speed your exit from the big house.
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I have gotten them for drunk in public. If I hadn't got them I wouldn't have flipped out, but I think it would have been incredably easy to get a lawyer to win that case.
My only point about the ID was if they didn't charge him for the drunk in public they can't hold him indefinately unless they have a reason to believe he committed another crime.
Submitted by Maddog (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:09:49 EDT (#)
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Okay. Enough. Here is the definitive guide guaranteed to help you totally avoid this situation:
1. Don't be a drunk and/or a drunk asshole in public. Especially around cops.
2. Don't start demanding your miranda rights, drug tests, field sobriety, or breathalyers. You aren't gonna get any of these for a drunk in public arrest. Ever.
3. Saying "My rights have been violated!" only shows your ignorance to the laws and procedures that are in place in your jurisdiction. It's nice to think you know more than the cop arresting you, but you really don't. Trust me, they do this for a living.
4. Carry a valid form of identification. Look, without knowing WHO you are, you aren't gonna get out of jail. Your "Almost-a-Bank" check cashing card, Blockbuster video rental ID and Mensa membership card will do nothing to speed your exit from the big house.
5. Be polite. You don't need to be a kiss-ass, but a bit of manners goes a long way to gaining a bit of good will. It's a nice change of pace from the constant stream of assholes cops deal with on a day to day basis.
6. Be a man (or woman). Look you got arrested. For DIP. It's a fucking misdemeanor. Own up to your actions, and if you like, fight it in court, not on the street. You aren't going to win ANY battles or arguments with the arresting officers or booking deputies. Period.
Follow these simple rules and you won't have to write a rant about how you live in a fascist state and how hard done by you are.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:02:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2007-07-06 09:37:22 EDT (#)
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What Maddog said below. I'm not sure there's much you can do if you were technically trespassing - it sucks but c'est la vie.
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It isn't trespassing if he was an invited guest of the owner.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:02:26 EDT (#)
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Maddog, I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything here...
But even though you say this is "THE LAW," do you still actually think it's right???
'Cause, eh... it seems to me that most people so far look at this situation as pretty fuckin' wrong.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:01:56 EDT (#)
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yes...but at least you're safe from terrorists....LMAO
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-07-06 10:01:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Maddog (user info) at 2007-07-06 09:48:29 EDT (#)
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Field sobiety is used for DUI, not drunk in public and yes, a "valid", as in state issued identification card or drivers license is what is needed to prove positive identity.
From reading this, he WAS charged, booked and eventually released. If he had had more than some bullshit college ID, I'm sure his stay wouldn't have been as long.
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There isn't the same burden of proof for drunk driving and drunk in public? If it comes to court and it is my word verse the cop wouldn't they need to say they gave some type of test to prove the condition of the alleged drunk?
I have had drunk in public and the officer said he thought I was drunk, I politely disagreed saying I hadn't had much to drink, he gave a field sobriety test and asked if I would give a breathalyzer (I think I did ok on the field sobriety because he had me do about 10 tests and I thought they stopped after they were sure you were drunk), I then blew a .24 and he gave me a written citation and he let me walk home with the girl I was with.
Public drunkedness (a misdemeanor or summary offense) is enough to keep you in jail until they can prove who you are? What if he had no id they keep him there indefinately? I thought when the cop said they were letting him go they weren't charging him.
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2007-07-06 09:58:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-07-06 09:44:01 EDT (#)
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I don't know one way or another, but does not having ID doesn't give the cops the right to hold you longer if they don't have probable cause to think you committed a crime, especially if they aren't going to charge you with anything?
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I dont know about america but in the UK you can hold people indefinately if you can't prove ID. It falls outside the Police and Criminal Evidence act. I would imagine you guys have a similar thing.
You don't release until you confirm who and where they live. Well thats if you are charging them or giving them bail.
If you arent doing either of those things then why the hell are you holding them anyway?
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-07-06 09:53:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2007-07-06 06:59:03 EDT (#)
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I know in the UK officers don't have to actually breathalize people if they suspect they are drunk in public. For some reason the law states that the police in this country are 'Experts on drunkeness'
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i could believe that.
very sorry dude.
Submitted by lover101 (user info) at 2007-07-06 09:53:04 EDT (#)
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I say you need to make it public also. These types of things happen all the time. The police impounded my car once by mistake while I was at work and it was in the parking lot. They claimed it had been used in a crime? I had to wait 3 days before everything got sorted out. Nothing will be done about it though, unless you are black.
Submitted by Maddog (user info) at 2007-07-06 09:48:29 EDT (#)
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12 hours in jail where no charges were pressed and he wasn't given a field sobriety test is SOP? I doubt his story, but if it is true they are definately in the wrong.
I don't know one way or another, but does not having ID doesn't give the cops the right to hold you longer if they don't have probable cause to think you committed a crime, especially if they aren't going to charge you with anything?
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Field sobiety is used for DUI, not drunk in public and yes, a "valid", as in state issued identification card or drivers license is what is needed to prove positive identity.
From reading this, he WAS charged, booked and eventually released. If he had had more than some bullshit college ID, I'm sure his stay wouldn't have been as long.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-07-06 09:44:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Maddog (user info) at 2007-07-06 09:12:56 EDT (#)
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I know you feel your "rights" got squished a bit, and I'm sorry you had a bad experience, but technically, it sounds like everything was done as usual and per standard operating procedure (though I don't know personally the burg or town you live in.)
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12 hours in jail where no charges were pressed and he wasn't given a field sobriety test is SOP? I doubt his story, but if it is true they are definately in the wrong.
I don't know one way or another, but does not having ID doesn't give the cops the right to hold you longer if they don't have probable cause to think you committed a crime, especially if they aren't going to charge you with anything?
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2007-07-06 09:37:22 EDT (#)
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What Maddog said below. I'm not sure there's much you can do if you were technically trespassing - it sucks but c'est la vie.
Submitted by Maddog (user info) at 2007-07-06 09:12:56 EDT (#)
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Let me shed a bit of light on your "experience", from a "pigs" point of view:
A: Miranda rights are only needed for interrogation and questioning of a person about a criminal act. You were arrested for DIP (drunk in public), thus no "questioning" beyond basic personal information is needed required, and for which Miranda is not applicable.
B: Breathalyzers are not given for DIP. It's simply not done and certainly not a requirement.
I know you feel your "rights" got squished a bit, and I'm sorry you had a bad experience, but technically, it sounds like everything was done as usual and per standard operating procedure (though I don't know personally the burg or town you live in.)
Lastly, I can understand your frustration and anger over the situation, but you made one smart move by not talking and shit to the officers who arrested you or the ones who booked you, even though you probably wanted to. This, in MY experience, would have resulted in some pain compliance and possibly some new charges.
Good luck in court. Get a lawyer, you'll have a better chance of getting out of this charge.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2007-07-06 08:28:02 EDT (#)
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call the paper and tell them this story
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-07-06 07:45:42 EDT (#)
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While I think far too many people sue for far too many things in this country...
... YOU have a valid reason.
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2007-07-06 06:59:03 EDT (#)
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Holy fucking shit. That sucks in a major way.
I know in the UK officers don't have to actually breathalize people if they suspect they are drunk in public. For some reason the law states that the police in this country are 'Experts on drunkeness'
All they have to do to make a drunk and disorderly charge stick is make sure they put ' His breath smelt of intoxicating liquor, His speach was slurred, His eyes were blood shot, he was unsteady on his feet in my opinon the man was drunk' as long as that is there it will go through. It sucks in my view, but then the law has definate sucky moments all round.
These police need a good kicking in my view.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-07-06 06:58:20 EDT (#)
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If this were remotely near the truth you have a lawsuit on your hands, but I think you are 100% full of shit.
Submitted by CarterPFly (user info) at 2007-07-06 05:57:14 EDT (#)
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That was one day and yet I bet you still cant fully accept the fact that your government is picking up people and bringing them to places for weeks and months on end without charge or any of the stuff you just wrote about. Try distancing yourself from teh reality of what your nation has become now that its not "somebody else".
The war on terror? Doctor heal thyself.
Submitted by messmind (user info) at 2007-07-06 05:48:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bart (user info) at 2007-07-06 05:40:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by sexualchocolate1984 (user info) at 2007-07-06 05:13:19 EDT (#)
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That is disgusting and disgraceful! - I cannot believe you were treated like that. The police forces job is to protect the public not to harrass them like this.
I would certainly get in touch with local papers / TV news, lawyer solicitors, police cheif as soon as possible, make your story known, create an outrage and fucking stick it to the filthy pig bastards!
Hang on a second.... Are you black?..... That could explain a lot.
Submitted by Progr3ss (user info) at 2007-07-06 05:09:33 EDT (#)
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That's sucks donkey balls
If that had of happened in Aus, it would be all over the news, current affairs programs and comedy sketches before the week was out.
But question...
Why did you ask us about your rights in the eyes of the law if you want to be an attorney? Shouldn't you have some understanding, or are you a 21 year old high school student?
Submitted by PerkMan (user info) at 2007-07-06 03:46:22 EDT (#)
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Rob you don't even want to know. He was trying to pin something on me with this talk about. " I can't verify who you are. I don't know what you have done?"
" I have never heard of this name before in my life. It seems supscious"
"Why would I let your coach come here and verify who you are? He could just be lying any one could come here and say you are who you say you are"
It was fucking unbeliveable in every sense. I fucking hate america right now. And I really hate cops.
The only way to not get fucked by them is to become one or be a lawyer yourself. the laws here are getting insane.
Submitted by particle_man58 (user info) at 2007-07-06 03:40:35 EDT (#)
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Holy shit dude.... thats like.... dude!...
It's shit like that, that makes me embarassed to be an American. There's no reason for that kind of shit.
You should seriously get on line with some lawyers, there's probably no point to sueing for money. But you could try to bring him to court for wrongful arrest, maybe get that pig bastard's badge.
Write to the city counsel, the mayor, police chief, put an article in the paper.... if you really want to get them, you have to make sure everyone knows what happened, thats the only way anything will get done.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-07-06 03:38:08 EDT (#)
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...oh, and prolonged bitching about it (especially on this particular website) is certainly not one of those proactive things... but lets face it - it's good to purge.
Just don't fucking wallow.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-07-06 03:34:30 EDT (#)
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Total fucking bullshit.
I read the whole thing - shameful.
I can't imagine feeling that helpless - If you want to be an attorney I suggest you diligently answer you own questions. Research your rights. Talk to lawyers, local and state politicians, get police statements, do everything in your power to document your ordeal.
I mean, lets face it - you wern't beaten or physically abused in any way - you were inconvenienced so suing people is not going to be fiscally worth it, but if you are passionate about the eroding civil liberties that your nation is most certainly experienceing there are far more proactive ways to fight this kind of injustice.
Heck, you might just learn something along the way.
Submitted by PerkMan (user info) at 2007-07-06 03:25:10 EDT (#)
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worst day evar.