Problems with Muslims in America (931 hits)
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Submitted by Indoninja (View user info) at 2007-07-11 20:25:49 EDT
I realize that most are hard working regular people (although polling does indicate there is a suprising large portion that see suicide bombs as justified).
And that there is no excuse for anti-muslim sentiment, that does occassionally happen.
But it could be fixed, or at least improved if American Muslims distanced themselves from terrorist groups and acts (I am looking at you CAIR for refusing to condemn Hamas) this would defuse some of the anti-Muslim reactions of certain quarters of our young people and that definitely will help. But it is up to the Muslims to decide what they want. My advice to them is to act American first.
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Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2007-07-13 16:16:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iambetteratit (user info) at 2007-07-13 01:32:38 EDT (#)
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haha nah man i travel alot honestly other than the spelling and grammer which i know is horrible i act nothing like this when it matters i just like pissing you guys off
Submitted by greEn_uGly (user info) at 2007-07-12 21:41:46 EDT (#)
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the Dhimmit is just a type of agreement between non-muslims and a muslim government, it means you pay tax and are offered the same protection and rights as a muslim. if the jews were treated unfairly it had nothing to do with the dhimmit. the only noticable discrimination was recorded after the creation of israel. before that, jews were allowed to buy palestinian land, so how was that comparable to the slaves?
'In another sense the left because arab leaders told them the jews would be wiped out in a few weeks and they could come back.'
i don't see how this has to do with anything, if there's going to be fighting, people will leave to avoid being killed, what their leaders say would be pretty irrelevant in my view.
is the excellent growth somehow related to the grants recieved? and following your arguments, no we cannot blame israel for shutting the roads, then no we cannot blame palestinians for blowing up israelis which are on their land illegaly (un resolution), and where does that leave us?
Submitted by UTOCKIN2ME (user info) at 2007-07-12 21:39:06 EDT (#)
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The PROBLEM with MUSLIMS in AMERICA is MUSLIMS in AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Submitted by greEn_uGly (user info) at 2007-07-12 21:26:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-07-12 16:00:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by greEn_uGly (user info) at 2007-07-12 10:04:18 EDT (#)
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jews and christians lived peacefully under islamic rulers for centuries before israel.
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why don't yous skip the bullshit and stop arguing about accords and resolutions and just say you don't recognize the state of israel, as pointed out in the above sentence.
there is absolutely no point to discussing settlements, peace accords, refugees and whatnot if your premise is that israel shouldn't exist.
you should argue for a new location or question the idea of a homeland for jews instead of trying to find which party is wrong when you don't even recognize one...that's just dumb
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well actually , that line was an argument for a one state solution, which i think is the right solution, just as long as all the exiled palestinian refugees are allowed to return and vote, i don't care if it's called israel or palestine or whatever.
the other bullshit is me arguing the actions of israel and palestine on a case by case basis. what is your problem again?
Submitted by SgtHartman (user info) at 2007-07-12 19:48:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iambetteratit (user info) at 2007-07-12 07:50:34 EDT (#)
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Fuck muslims those assholes are all working together to bring about worldwide sharia. that fucking hajji would have us all marching down the street beating ourselves with chains and shit to celebrate aushura with his dune coon ass. and hey i dont care if you dont like what i said hajj I killed a few of your cousins in 2005 if i murked you i could probably get off on a PTSD defence too
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Goddamn son, you are the type of dude that gives Americans an awful name in this world. America is not the center of the fucking universe man. Im an American and I recognize that the rest of the world will never be America, just let it go, mind your own business and take a class in spelling and grammar, my eyes are bleeding.
Submitted by iambetteratit (user info) at 2007-07-12 19:11:25 EDT (#)
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Yup I go to a community college University is fucking expensive. at least i have a future ahead of me you fucking losers are in your careers bitching about how much it sucks to people online the line to blow me starts to the left
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-07-12 16:00:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by greEn_uGly (user info) at 2007-07-12 10:04:18 EDT (#)
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jews and christians lived peacefully under islamic rulers for centuries before israel.
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why don't yous skip the bullshit and stop arguing about accords and resolutions and just say you don't recognize the state of israel, as pointed out in the above sentence.
there is absolutely no point to discussing settlements, peace accords, refugees and whatnot if your premise is that israel shouldn't exist.
you should argue for a new location or question the idea of a homeland for jews instead of trying to find which party is wrong when you don't even recognize one...that's just dumb.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-07-12 14:35:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by greEn_uGly (user info) at 2007-07-12 10:04:18 EDT (#)
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what? the settlements are the main reason for the palestinian unrest, wha do you mean expanding them was not forbidden? and while we are at it, lets hear your interpertation for resolution 242, because the whole world, even america before bush, understand it as for israel to get out of the settlements.
evicted is just a word i use. all refugees leave because war is happening around them. that is the definition of refugees. in a sense, they were forced to leave, because the surrounding war would have killed them.
you say the 2-state system is working just because for 1 year there was growth? that's a pretty weak argument. now most palestine refugees are in neighbouring countries and over 50% of palestinians are below poverty lines at the best of times. no one can blame israel for shutting down roads in a county that is not theirs? but we can all blame the palestinians for trying to get back their land?
jews were not kicked out of their surrounding countries. israel opened the gates to them. jews and christians lived peacefully under islamic rulers for centuries before israel.
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Read the Oslo Accords. Settlements weren't forbidden, but it is a moot point because they were taken down.
In a sense they were forced to leave. In another sense the left because arab leaders told them the jews would be wiped out in a few weeks and they could come back.
I don't know how it got cut out but there was significant economic growth in Gaza and the West bank virtually every year they weren't attacking Israel. And no you can't blame Israel for shutting down roads if they are being used to attack you.
Jews and christians lived peacefully?!?! Ever hear of Dhimmitude? Christian persecution was small simply because the Europeans in charge wouldn't tolerate it they had no such qualms about arabs trampling on the rights of jews. Saying jews lived there peacefully is akin to saying slaves lived peacefully in the US in the pre-civil war era. It wasn't quite that bad, and some countries were better than other, but there isn't a single muslim country where jews were treated as equals and there isn't a single muslim country in the world today that treats jews as well as Israel treats muslims. Not only were they second class citizens in the years leading up to israel declaring independence they periodically suffered pogroms and land confiscation. The arab league came out and threatened their lives if there was a two state solution in Israel, how do you not see them as refugees, how do you not see them as being forced out? Where on earth are you getting your facts about the history of the middle east about?
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2007-07-12 11:01:25 EDT (#)
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Just saw your other post.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2007-07-12 10:46:26 EDT (#)
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Boy oh boy, you stuck it to the man, Flack.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2007-07-12 10:45:35 EDT (#)
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By golly, I think you've solved it!
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-07-12 10:28:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Flack (user info) at 2007-07-11 23:25:28 EDT (#)
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I was at a Quizno's in Detroit and ordered a Honey Bacon Club.
Some asshole Muslim behind me said if I was going to eat it, I should do it out of his sight.
I ordered extra bacon and ham and made a point to loudly go "MMMMMMM" after every fucking bite.
Cocksucker.
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Flack just ruled my face off...
Submitted by greEn_uGly (user info) at 2007-07-12 10:04:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-07-12 07:03:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by greEn_uGly (user info) at 2007-07-11 22:23:36 EDT (#)
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israel signed the oslo accord, then expanded their settlements massively..
the reason, palestinains do not want to start negotiations with israel is because israel refuse to allow palestinians refugees back to their settlements. they have said this from the very begining, it is not even on the table. if palestinians start negotiating under these circumstances, that means they give up on the settlements, which are a huge chunk of palestinian land.
and if you check the map, the land israel gives back are in patches and not connected, not to mention infertile. israel gets the settlements and sole use of the roads connecting the settlements which are essential. the land israel have planned for the palestinians are not big enough to accomodate the refugees they have evicted from their lands, and not fertile enough to support the people living there originally let alone the extra refugees. simply put, the 2-state system proposed by israel is not physically possible.
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Expanding the settlements was not forbidden in the Oslo Accords, BUT they did bulldoze all their settlements once a more level headed party came to power (maybe naive is better than level headed because once they did that and gave Gaza back rocket attacks went through the roof).
Refugees they evicted? Wrong. The overwhelming majority of "refugees" left on their own accord. They weren't pushed out, they weren't shelled, and they weren't threatened by Israel. Most left to clear the way for invading arab armies.
If the two state system isn't possible why was it working for a time? Why was their economy growing in 99-00? the only roadblock to their continued success was Arafta keeping all money the govt collected (no taxes went to PLO finance dept, it went to his pocket), and after every attack Israel shut down travel for a few days (no reasonable person can blame Israel for this).
I don't think it is fair for the palestenians, but it isn't fair for the jews in the surrounding countries that were kicked out (which outnumber the original number fo "refugees").
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what? the settlements are the main reason for the palestinian unrest, wha do you mean expanding them was not forbidden? and while we are at it, lets hear your interpertation for resolution 242, because the whole world, even america before bush, understand it as for israel to get out of the settlements.
evicted is just a word i use. all refugees leave because war is happening around them. that is the definition of refugees. in a sense, they were forced to leave, because the surrounding war would have killed them.
you say the 2-state system is working just because for 1 year there was growth? that's a pretty weak argument. now most palestine refugees are in neighbouring countries and over 50% of palestinians are below poverty lines at the best of times. no one can blame israel for shutting down roads in a county that is not theirs? but we can all blame the palestinians for trying to get back their land?
jews were not kicked out of their surrounding countries. israel opened the gates to them. jews and christians lived peacefully under islamic rulers for centuries before israel.
Submitted by beeltea (user info) at 2007-07-12 09:34:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-07-12 09:22:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iambetteratit (user info) at 2007-07-12 07:50:34 EDT (#)
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Fuck muslims those assholes are all working together to bring about worldwide sharia. that fucking hajji would have us all marching down the street beating ourselves with chains and shit to celebrate aushura with his dune coon ass. and hey i dont care if you dont like what i said hajj I killed a few of your cousins in 2005 if i murked you i could probably get off on a PTSD defence too
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well, what do you expect from a community college scholar?
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Honestly, a little bit more
Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-07-12 09:22:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iambetteratit (user info) at 2007-07-12 07:50:34 EDT (#)
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Fuck muslims those assholes are all working together to bring about worldwide sharia. that fucking hajji would have us all marching down the street beating ourselves with chains and shit to celebrate aushura with his dune coon ass. and hey i dont care if you dont like what i said hajj I killed a few of your cousins in 2005 if i murked you i could probably get off on a PTSD defence too
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well, what do you expect from a community college scholar?
Submitted by beeltea (user info) at 2007-07-12 08:26:23 EDT (#)
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Act American First?
HITLER YOUTH: 1933
FOR GERMANY!
Submitted by iambetteratit (user info) at 2007-07-12 07:50:34 EDT (#)
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Fuck muslims those assholes are all working together to bring about worldwide sharia. that fucking hajji would have us all marching down the street beating ourselves with chains and shit to celebrate aushura with his dune coon ass. and hey i dont care if you dont like what i said hajj I killed a few of your cousins in 2005 if i murked you i could probably get off on a PTSD defence too
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2007-07-12 07:33:31 EDT (#)
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you mean Hamas the democratically elected govt or Palestine?
I'm not really fond of Hamas, or any violent religious group, but I do think there's a massive double standard between the treatment/regard of Hamas vs the IRA.
This -2 is because your post is miserably short and uninteresting, it is not evidence that I support terrorism.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-07-12 07:03:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by greEn_uGly (user info) at 2007-07-11 22:23:36 EDT (#)
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israel signed the oslo accord, then expanded their settlements massively..
the reason, palestinains do not want to start negotiations with israel is because israel refuse to allow palestinians refugees back to their settlements. they have said this from the very begining, it is not even on the table. if palestinians start negotiating under these circumstances, that means they give up on the settlements, which are a huge chunk of palestinian land.
and if you check the map, the land israel gives back are in patches and not connected, not to mention infertile. israel gets the settlements and sole use of the roads connecting the settlements which are essential. the land israel have planned for the palestinians are not big enough to accomodate the refugees they have evicted from their lands, and not fertile enough to support the people living there originally let alone the extra refugees. simply put, the 2-state system proposed by israel is not physically possible.
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Expanding the settlements was not forbidden in the Oslo Accords, BUT they did bulldoze all their settlements once a more level headed party came to power (maybe naive is better than level headed because once they did that and gave Gaza back rocket attacks went through the roof).
Refugees they evicted? Wrong. The overwhelming majority of "refugees" left on their own accord. They weren't pushed out, they weren't shelled, and they weren't threatened by Israel. Most left to clear the way for invading arab armies.
If the two state system isn't possible why was it working for a time? Why was their economy growing in 99-00? the only roadblock to their continued success was Arafta keeping all money the govt collected (no taxes went to PLO finance dept, it went to his pocket), and after every attack Israel shut down travel for a few days (no reasonable person can blame Israel for this).
I don't think it is fair for the palestenians, but it isn't fair for the jews in the surrounding countries that were kicked out (which outnumber the original number fo "refugees").
Submitted by Fey (user info) at 2007-07-12 04:37:23 EDT (#)
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Seriously? No.
Submitted by CHR15 (user info) at 2007-07-12 04:02:23 EDT (#)
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Did you know that in, well... pretty much all of the world, it is frowned upon for a country to invade another killing enemy, civilians and allies alike? It makes it even worse when the country lies about its reasons for invasion and destruction and is only interested in financial gain/security.
If predominantly Muslim countries had invaded the US and the UK, killed our families, destroyed our homes and taken away the means for our countries to rebuild on their own, I'm sure we'd all be practicing a little terrorism.
In short stfu because, well... you're dumb.
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2007-07-12 03:22:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2007-07-12 03:07:46 EDT (#)
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I think a good hearty dose of terrorism is good for America. It'll help learn them in the ways of active politics and put an end to all that passive hippy crap from the 60's.
Black power.
Submitted by PukingDog (user info) at 2007-07-12 02:44:43 EDT (#)
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Duckhead.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-07-12 02:37:04 EDT (#)
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Insightful.
Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-07-12 02:28:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by particle_man58 (user info) at 2007-07-12 01:53:38 EDT (#)
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Lets just take all the muslims and put them in prison camps. Ya know, like what we did to the Japanease people during WWII, that seemed to keep them all in line....
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-07-12 00:34:33 EDT (#)
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the problem is that you have a problem with muslims
i mean, really, who gives a shit about a few fanatical douches that are nothing and irrelevant if they are ignored by the media.
more people will die of cancer or car accidents tomorrow than of terrorism this year in america.
who. gives. a. shit.
Submitted by firefly (user info) at 2007-07-12 00:04:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Flack (user info) at 2007-07-11 23:25:28 EDT (#)
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I was at a Quizno's in Detroit and ordered a Honey Bacon Club.
Some asshole Muslim behind me said if I was going to eat it, I should do it out of his sight.
I ordered extra bacon and ham and made a point to loudly go "MMMMMMM" after every fucking bite.
Cocksucker.
Submitted by greEn_uGly (user info) at 2007-07-11 23:13:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Wildman (user info) at 2007-07-11 23:02:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by greEn_uGly (user info) at 2007-07-11 21:28:15 EDT (#)
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most palestinians want to return to their homeland,the pre-1967 borders.
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Yeah I bet they do, but when you lose multiple wars you don't get shit.
Why doesn't Jordan break them off a little piece?
or Syria?
or Egypt?
or Saudia Arabia?
BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
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sorry dude, that kind of thinking went out the window with the formation of the united nations decades ago.
and it's always nice to see you americans sitting there sounding tough, when you guys are so afraid of suicides bombers that you have to send your troops all around the world to die for you.
oh and your second question is stupid
Submitted by Wildman (user info) at 2007-07-11 23:02:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by greEn_uGly (user info) at 2007-07-11 21:28:15 EDT (#)
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most palestinians want to return to their homeland,the pre-1967 borders.
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Yeah I bet they do, but when you lose multiple wars you don't get shit.
Why doesn't Jordan break them off a little piece?
or Syria?
or Egypt?
or Saudia Arabia?
BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2007-07-11 22:35:14 EDT (#)
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lets just do it ourselves (rather than pay the chinks), and then be the first to point fingers (at the chinks, logically)
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-07-11 22:28:03 EDT (#)
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*sigh*
Further proof that you're a "Super-Alter."
Personally, I say we pay the Chinese to nuke the entire 'HolyLand' out of existence.
Wipe 'em all out - the Israeli hardliners, the Islamic Palestenians, and even the Christian zealots.
I think we'd all be quite surprised at how peaceful the world would be without that feeble strip of land all the faithful feel they need.
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2007-07-11 22:26:26 EDT (#)
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fuckin cat stevens.
Submitted by greEn_uGly (user info) at 2007-07-11 22:23:36 EDT (#)
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israel signed the oslo accord, then expanded their settlements massively..
Submitted by greEn_uGly (user info) at 2007-07-11 22:14:46 EDT (#)
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the reason, palestinains do not want to start negotiations with israel is because israel refuse to allow palestinians refugees back to their settlements. they have said this from the very begining, it is not even on the table. if palestinians start negotiating under these circumstances, that means they give up on the settlements, which are a huge chunk of palestinian land.
and if you check the map, the land israel gives back are in patches and not connected, not to mention infertile. israel gets the settlements and sole use of the roads connecting the settlements which are essential. the land israel have planned for the palestinians are not big enough to accomodate the refugees they have evicted from their lands, and not fertile enough to support the people living there originally let alone the extra refugees. simply put, the 2-state system proposed by israel is not physically possible.
Submitted by PukingDog (user info) at 2007-07-11 22:09:52 EDT (#)
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Bring it, Eurofag.
Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-07-11 22:05:59 EDT (#)
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So Americans are somewhat more morally justified because when they kill civilians, they don't mean to?
Come on, throwing a bomb into a city with the intention of killing bad guys is pretty much purposely killing civilians. You have to be stupid to think the bomb isn't going to kill anyone else.
Yes I realize that 'Muslims blow up school children omg', but America can't say shit after Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and using agent orange on the Vietnamese villagers.
America needs to fuck off and learn to take it in the ass the way they give it sometimes.
Submitted by PukingDog (user info) at 2007-07-11 22:04:02 EDT (#)
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This is a pathetic post. Duckhead.
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-07-11 22:03:06 EDT (#)
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"act american"
what the fuck does that mean?
there is no singularity in a nation as large and diverse as this.
come on.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-07-11 21:47:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by greEn_uGly (user info) at 2007-07-11 21:28:15 EDT (#)
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most palestinians want to return to their homeland,the pre-1967 borders. the UN resolution supports this. fatah dropped that demand when they started to negotiate with israel. they droped the gun in a sense, hamas picked up the gun.
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The verbage of resolution 242 is debatable. Fatah, to my knowledge, never rejected claims to any lands in the middle, but the did recognize the right of Israel to exist (which hamas hasn't).
If you were Israel would you really give that land back? Everytime they have returned land, authority, anything they get attacked from it.
Have you also ever heard of the Oslo Accord? that was supposed to be a step in the direction of 242. Do you remember who threw a monkey wrench into that after he signed it? Arafat with the second intifada. No country in the world would give back land to people that have a history of using it against them like the palestenians have tot he iraeli's.
It is amazing to me that when russia was slaughtering chechneyans and not allowing journalists in the british press was silent. Now it seems they want to boycott israel, even though it extends more freedom to reporters than any other middle eastern country.
Submitted by greEn_uGly (user info) at 2007-07-11 21:28:15 EDT (#)
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most palestinians want to return to their homeland,the pre-1967 borders. the UN resolution supports this. fatah dropped that demand when they started to negotiate with israel. they droped the gun in a sense, hamas picked up the gun.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-07-11 21:06:08 EDT (#)
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If killing civilians is killing civilians how do you justify the allies bombing any cities in WWII?
How do you justify fighting back in any war?
If you really look at killing civilians as alway being wrong, why no condemnation for hamas for breaking truces? For using Israel's olive branch of giving Gaza back and bulldozing their own people's homes as a platfome to strike back at them with rockets?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-07-11 21:01:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2007-07-11 20:37:56 EDT (#)
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So basically, you want them to distance themselves from one form of murder, and align themselves with another more efficient form of murder. Yep, your moral standpoint is untouchable.
Killing civilians is killing civilians. Suicide bombers are just another weapon, due to lack of options and desperation.
Israel has killed far more civilians than Hamas has.
What is acting American anyway?
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Hahaha...
Really? Lets ignore for a second the fact that Hamas gunmen have targeted israeli children and celebrated when they killed them.
There is a huge difference between having civilian death be the goal (hamas) and civilian death happening because gunmen and terrorists lobbying rockets use them as shields (Hamas and Hezebullah).
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2007-07-11 20:37:56 EDT (#)
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So basically, you want them to distance themselves from one form of murder, and align themselves with another more efficient form of murder. Yep, your moral standpoint is untouchable.
Killing civilians is killing civilians. Suicide bombers are just another weapon, due to lack of options and desperation.
Israel has killed far more civilians than Hamas has.
What is acting American anyway?