Michael Vick is banned from training camp! Why?!? (1589 hits)
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Submitted by Fat Tony (View user info) at 2007-07-30 17:49:29 EDT
I just read that Michael Vick is banned from training camp. While some of you may be happy, I'm wondering why?
Yes, Michael Vick did commit a crime but since when does being a criminal ban you from training camp? If those were the rules then 50% of the players would not be eligible to put on a uniform. He didn't bet against his team or on his team, he didn't sell his playbook nor was he convicted of using illegal drugs. Lots of players were caught with cocaine and once they cleared it up with the local PD, they were allowed to play again.
What Michael Vick did was illegal and there is no doubt about it, but what happened to innocent until proven guilty. As far as I know he hasn't been charged yet. Michael Irvin was arrested for cocaine possession and the NFL only stopped him from playing in the first four games of the season.
The pussies at Upper Deck have pulled all of the autographed items from it's stores and will NOT include his card in the complete set. If you read this article: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/2007-07-28-2665339352_x.htm UD is quoted as saying ""Of course we appreciate the fact that Mr. Vick is innocent until proven guilty, but the allegations alone have resulted in an outpouring of very strong emotion within our organization and among the collecting community." Strong emotion? The man hasn't been charged or convicted yet! As of right now, he is innocent. Had they come to this decision AFTER he was convicted, fine, no problem.
I am trying to get my hands on that Michael Vick card right now. They made it, they're just not going to include it in the complete set. There is a chance MV will be found innocent (with that kind of money anything is possible) and if he is, that card is going to be very expensive.
Other football players get caught with cocaine, hookers, drive drunk and get involved in accidents and nothing really happens to them, IF they can get away with it from the local PD and/or FBI. If they are not jailed, then they get to play. Maybe a one or two week ban, but nothing more. We're talking about fucking up kids. Making kids think that it's OK to use women to drive drunk and to endanger the existence of every other person. Dog fighting does send the wrong message, but what would you want your kids to be? A cocaine addict, a whore monger, a drunk driver, a person who rapes women or a dog fighter? Personally if I had to pick one it would be a dog fighter.
Cocaine can kill you. Hookers have disease. Driving drunk endangers the lives of everyone around you. Rape isn't so bad. Of the list of "Normal" NFL behaviour, dog fighting isn't so severe.
Michael Vick should be allowed to attend training camp and his cards and autographed items should still be in stores UNTIL HE IS CONVICTED. Even after he is convicted, let the man play the game so long as he isn't in prison. Drug usage goes against NFL policy and a person can be banned, but they hardly ever are. Personal conduct isn't a part of the NFL policy. Wife beaters, drunk drivers, drug addicts, all play ball without interference of the NFL. Dog fighting is NOT mentioned in the NFL policy. Cruelty to animals is a crime, not something that should get you banned from playing.
The Atlanta Falcons, Upper Deck and Mr. Commish of Football are a bunch of fucking pussies!
Oh and if you want to follow PETA, then you need to set your pet free. PETA wants animals to roam free or not have owners. Having animals as pets/companions goes against PETA's rules. It's on their website, it's in their bylaws, go read it for yourself.
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Submitted by BubbaEarl (user info) at 2007-08-02 10:28:33 EDT (#)
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give it a fucking rest, asstumor.
Submitted by Worm (user info) at 2007-08-02 10:18:32 EDT (#)
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Michael Irvin was found with coke and was benched for ONLY four games... and you're complaining about Vick missing out on summer training camp?
(1) The NFL season starts in September. If he's found to be innocent, missing training camp won't do anything to his career.
(2) If you do coke, it'll only kill you. If you run a dogfighting ring, you're maiming / killing innocent animals (i.e. things that aren't you).
In summary: if you want to mess up your own life doing blow, be my guest. If you want to run an institution where you repeatedly injure or kill things that aren't you, I hope you and your infant children die in a housefire.
but grats on yet another sub-0 rated post.
Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-08-01 20:40:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2007-08-01 17:07:30 EDT (#)
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What Manda said.
Submitted by FatTony (user info) at 2007-08-01 12:43:42 EDT (#)
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ScaryGuy: "I never said the Fed's are perfect, the fact that they supposedly didn't catch you in your particular case (*cough* Shenanigans *cough*)" What makes you think that my case was "Shenanigans"? If you read my Rise & Fall series you'll see that I explained this story long before I posted the link to CNN. If you read a few of my other posts you'll find that I was housed with Alex Avila who murdered two kids and then the inmates got back to him. Check the time lines of Alex Avilla and my rise and fall against the CNN link I posted.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-08-01 10:58:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Yozz (user info) at 2007-07-30 19:02:43 EDT (#)
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Fat Tony, the presumption of innocence (i.e., innocent until proven guilty) only operates in a court of law. It does not operate anywhere else - and that includes the board rooms of the corporations that are paying endorsement dollars to Vick. I, as an individual, am not obligated to presume Vick is innocent. Neither are the corporations. Only the judge and the jury are required to do so.
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This is truth.
In other news, one "friend" has turned on him and is pointing the finger straight back at Vick. The rest will follow.
Submitted by Lambchop (user info) at 2007-08-01 01:03:17 EDT (#)
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He's done anyway, his friend just ratted him out basically
Submitted by Zeglamancer (user info) at 2007-08-01 00:38:09 EDT (#)
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"Cocaine can kill you. Hookers have disease. Driving drunk endangers the lives of everyone around you. Rape isn't so bad. Of the list of "Normal" NFL behaviour, dog fighting isn't so severe" - Fat Tony
If this site allowed signatures. I'd sig this statement right now lmao. Solid Gold on that "Rape isn't so bad." comment lmao irl.
Submitted by General_Lee_Retarded (user info) at 2007-08-01 00:36:48 EDT (#)
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I consider it a nigger tax. Just being born black is punishment enough. He'll take it in his stride=)
Submitted by TheScaryGuy11 (user info) at 2007-08-01 00:14:02 EDT (#)
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ScaryGuy: "Being Federally indited isn't any different than being guilty" So what you are saying is that any time the "Feds" start their investigation and pass out an inditement that the person is guilty? The Feds thought they had me and I got away with it. They started the plea bargain at 20 years and I ended up doing six months of house arrest (pled guilty to a lesser charge).
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Just because you're guilty, (which he is) doesn't mean he doesn't have enough money to somehow weasel his ghetto fucking ass out of it going to prison.
I never said the Fed's are perfect, the fact that they supposedly didn't catch you in your particular case (*cough* Shenanigans *cough*) is proof enough that they have some fuck ups, IE the 5% of the cases they lose.
Submitted by MandaPanda (user info) at 2007-07-31 23:42:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Yozz (user info) at 2007-07-30 19:02:43 EDT (#)
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Fat Tony, the presumption of innocence (i.e., innocent until proven guilty) only operates in a court of law. It does not operate anywhere else - and that includes the board rooms of the corporations that are paying endorsement dollars to Vick. I, as an individual, am not obligated to presume Vick is innocent. Neither are the corporations. Only the judge and the jury are required to do so.
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This man said it all in terms of being innocent before proven guilty. Vick is guilty as sin to me, and always will be. No amount of money that he spends on a lawyer, fact-twisting, or support from his fans will change that.
Submitted by MandaPanda (user info) at 2007-07-31 23:37:27 EDT (#)
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Those crimes that the other players committed were victimless crimes. Who the frig really cares if someone decides to destroy their body/mind with cocaine? Who the fuck cares if Mr. Smith shoots jizz all over some hooker in a back alley? What Vick did to those dogs is inexcusable. I don't follow sports, so unless you give specific examples of someone wife beating or driving drunk (without killing anyone, because lord knows that that's what it takes for THAT crime to be inexcusable), and still being allowed to play, you've lost me.
Vick is a sorry excuse for a human being. Dogs were made to be man's best friend. You can tell a lot about a person by the way they treat their animals.
Pit bulls already have a bad enough rap because of dog fighting. People fear these dogs because of the stereotype (fueled by the media, by the "tough guys" that own and subsequently abuse their pit bulls because they are oh so tough or just don't know how to handle them, by the uneducated people that don't try to understand the breed and only know that they are used to maul each other in dog fighting, so therefore they must be horrible animals) that they are vicious animals. Breed-specific bans have been put in place against pit bulls (and other breeds, unfairly). Pit bulls that are taken into animal shelters are immediately put down for fear of being aggressive. They never give those dogs a chance. People like Vick take a wonderful breed and turn it into a monster all for the sake of some shits and giggles.
I'm glad that they caught Vick because now this is getting enough publicity to hopefully make people realize that it's NOT the breed, but rather the act of dogfighting that should be condemned.
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/sadreality.php
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-07-31 21:09:36 EDT (#)
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Because you wished me dead, I hope the person you love the most goes to sleep and never wakes up and you find them. Then when the coroner comes, he tells you, "Wow had you called us just two minutes earlier we could have saved this person. Oh well."
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...and you pretend to be Christian?
Submitted by a_little_more_time (user info) at 2007-07-31 20:24:03 EDT (#)
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A few things, Tony:
1. No, I am not "new" to Uber. A simple click on the "User Info" link next to my name should confirm that. Apparently you can't be arsed to do that.
2. Additionally, it seems you also cannot be bothered to read through the very reviews on your own posts. Had you done so, you might've noticed this gem:
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2007-07-30 21:21:27 EDT (#)
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Rape isn't so bad?
You fucking worthless pile of shit. Of anyone on this site, I thought you at least had a pair banging around down there, enough to say that a man who rapes a woman is a piece of shit. If you really think that, you deserve to have your throat slit and your corpse thrown to wild boars, you fucking grease-bearing cock gobbler.
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Your schedule must be frightfully busy for you to have missed that, what with all the wife beating, minority-demeaning, "oh god oh god theyre going to kill my dog zomg"-whingeing and general slobbing about you do. How DO you manage?
3. I'm well aware that rape is an oft-used source of humor on here. "Needs more rape", etc. I've been known to drop quite a few "Rape Rape Revolution" comments on many posts myself. But your comment? Not funny, so I called you on it. I still have that right, I believe. Don't like it? Leave. The comment you made was bullshit, but it's not like it made my balls shrink. It rubbed me the wrong way and, given your attitudes toward other issues, it did so more than had someone else I'm fairly neutral to would have.
Basically speaking, coming from you, it didn't seem like a joke.
Submitted by FatTony (user info) at 2007-07-31 19:28:55 EDT (#)
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a_little_more_time: You are obviously new to Uber. Rape was a normal thing to post about. It's an inside joke (no pun intended) for users of this site. Nobody else commented on the rape joke, only you.
Because you wished me dead, I hope the person you love the most goes to sleep and never wakes up and you find them. Then when the coroner comes, he tells you, "Wow had you called us just two minutes earlier we could have saved this person. Oh well."
Submitted by Maddog (user info) at 2007-07-31 19:02:01 EDT (#)
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No one is ever found "innocent". They are either "guilty" or "not guilty". It's a subtle difference, but a difference all the same.
My best memory of Vick was him and Va Tech getting their collective asses handed to them in the 1999 Sugar Bowl by Florida State.
Submitted by a_little_more_time (user info) at 2007-07-31 18:27:20 EDT (#)
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"Rape isn't so bad."
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If it were at all possible to -2 you to the depths of Oblivion itself, I'd dedicate my life to doing so to you for the above statement.
I hope you go to sleep tonight and never wake up, you hateful son of a bitch.
Submitted by FatTony (user info) at 2007-07-31 18:09:54 EDT (#)
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ScaryGuy: "Being Federally indited isn't any different than being guilty" So what you are saying is that any time the "Feds" start their investigation and pass out an inditement that the person is guilty? The Feds thought they had me and I got away with it. They started the plea bargain at 20 years and I ended up doing six months of house arrest (pled guilty to a lesser charge).
Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-07-31 14:22:39 EDT (#)
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Radical:
You make a good point. I agree Crumpler is all sorts of awesome, but in reality Vick has essentially no one to throw to on 3rd and longs.
I didn't know their defense sucks that bad...that's pretty damn shitty.
Submitted by TheScaryGuy11 (user info) at 2007-07-31 14:09:04 EDT (#)
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I like micheal vick. He's a damn good QB.
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You don't like Vick, you don't know Vick. You like watching him play a stupid game.
As for anyone who thinks he's innocent, where I'm from in Deeeeetroit his name was fucking huge in dog fighting while that ghetto fuck stick was still in college. Being Federally indited isn't any different than being guilty, if the Fed's have you, you're fucked just over 95% of the time.
Submitted by RadicalEucalyptus (user info) at 2007-07-31 14:03:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-07-31 09:07:39 EDT (#)
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Bad QB? Are we watching the same player?
Vick is by far one of the most athletic players in the NFL, BUT he is on a team where he has to do everything himself. He has absolutely nobody to throw to. Team up Michael Vick with a decent WR corps, and he'll win a superbowl.
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Umm, no.
What is a quaterback's best friend? A good wide receiver corps, as you suggest? No - a solid running game. A routine check on NFL.com cofirms my memory: Atlanta has had the top rushing game in the NFC for the last 3 years straight! True, Vick himself has a lot to do with that - but a lot of his yards are on designed runs. The team is a great running team, yet they have gone 11-5, 8-8, and 7-9 in the last three years, repsectively? Why?
For those same look at Vick's Passer Rating:
2004: 78.1 (21)
2005: 73.1 (25)
2006: 75.7 (20)
Not too good when people like Billy Volek and Tim Rattay are besting "One of the most athletic players in the NFL" at the job he is expected to do most: pass.
ANd How about Atlanta's Overal Defensive ratings?
2004: 14
2005: 21
2006: 21
Hmm, any correlation between Vick' passer rating + Atlantas defense and their record? It seems that the year in which Atlanta had the best defense, and Vick his best passing year, the team performed the best it has since Vick joined them. It's worth mentioning that Vick basically had the same #1 receiver the whole way through (Alge Crumpler). Get them a defense, and improve Vick's actualy QB skills - then you might see the Falcons actually competing with teams like the Bears, Saints (not a fluke, you just watch), and other NFC top-tier teams. If you just try to throw receivers at the problem - it will not go away.
Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2007-07-31 13:30:33 EDT (#)
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Like Vick? Watch out for Vince Young in the next few years. That kid's got talent.
Submitted by PerkMan (user info) at 2007-07-31 13:12:15 EDT (#)
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I like micheal vick. He's a damn good QB.
Submitted by UnderDog (user info) at 2007-07-31 12:55:51 EDT (#)
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I think dog fighting isn't such a bad crime when compared to drugs, hookers, driving drunk, and the rest of the normal every day stuff professional football players get caught doing.
Who is the crime against? Animals? Big fucking deal. We can eat them. We can devour their flesh. We can use their skin to keep us warm or to make us look fashionable and we can even use their skin for recreation (football, baseball, etc.) and we can test our drugs and shampoos on them. Yet we can't fight them?
Driving drunk is far more serious then dog fighting. Drunk driving puts the everyone in danger and kills innocent people. Dog fighting doesn't hurt innocent people, just dogs.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2007-07-31 11:07:12 EDT (#)
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Why don't we just sentence him to death? Then no one would care.
Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2007-07-31 10:54:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wookie (user info) at 2007-07-31 09:29:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Yozz (user info) at 2007-07-30 19:02:43 EDT (#)
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Fat Tony, the presumption of innocence (i.e., innocent until proven guilty) only operates in a court of law. It does not operate anywhere else - and that includes the board rooms of the corporations that are paying endorsement dollars to Vick. I, as an individual, am not obligated to presume Vick is innocent. Neither are the corporations. Only the judge and the jury are required to do so.
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aLSO HE'S blACK
Submitted by Fey (user info) at 2007-07-31 10:23:32 EDT (#)
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Don't have a pet.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-07-31 10:22:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2007-07-30 21:21:27 EDT (#)
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If you really think that, you deserve to have your throat slit and your corpse thrown to wild boars
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thats cool
Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-07-31 09:34:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-07-31 09:16:31 EDT (#)
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Ummm....Sunny? He couldn't hit a barn at 10 paces. He sucks. Make him a running back and I might agree with you.
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Well...I see what you mean, albeit he has had many, erm, miscues in the pocket. But lets be realistic, if he didn't have retards for receivers, don't you think he'd have a shot? Coaching is an issue as well, he needs a QB coach to teach him discipline in the pocket...at the moment he seems to be just running the show.
Submitted by wookie (user info) at 2007-07-31 09:29:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Yozz (user info) at 2007-07-30 19:02:43 EDT (#)
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Fat Tony, the presumption of innocence (i.e., innocent until proven guilty) only operates in a court of law. It does not operate anywhere else - and that includes the board rooms of the corporations that are paying endorsement dollars to Vick. I, as an individual, am not obligated to presume Vick is innocent. Neither are the corporations. Only the judge and the jury are required to do so.
Submitted by lover101 (user info) at 2007-07-31 09:29:27 EDT (#)
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He SHOULD be banned from footbal and then thrown to his pack of fighting pit bulls to be eaten alive.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-07-31 09:16:31 EDT (#)
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Ummm....Sunny? He couldn't hit a barn at 10 paces. He sucks. Make him a running back and I might agree with you.
Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-07-31 09:07:39 EDT (#)
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Bad QB? Are we watching the same player?
Vick is by far one of the most athletic players in the NFL, BUT he is on a team where he has to do everything himself. He has absolutely nobody to throw to. Team up Michael Vick with a decent WR corps, and he'll win a superbowl.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-07-31 08:49:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FunnyAsCancer (user info) at 2007-07-31 05:13:40 EDT (#)
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It's one of those cases where the public has not sinned, therefore they can throw the stone.
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i never heard it presented like this. Good point.
Submitted by FunnyAsCancer (user info) at 2007-07-31 05:13:40 EDT (#)
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The reason people give a shit this time is because it's a weird crime.
People do cocaine all the time. People get hookers all the time. Hell, people even use guns illegally all the time.
But how many cases of illegal dog-fighting do you read about?
It's one of those cases where the public has not sinned, therefore they can throw the stone.
Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2007-07-31 02:18:23 EDT (#)
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There's a no tolerance policy now in the NFL. If you're hanging out with crimiinals on a daily basis, you're not the kind of person the comissioner wants playing. Look up Pacman Jones cases recently. You don't have to be guilty, numbnuts. You're associating with guilty parties and it brings bad publicity to the team.
You really are a fucking idiot, aren't you?
Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2007-07-31 02:16:00 EDT (#)
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I saw this under the MRR and just fucking KNEW it'd be your fat ass spouting off like an asshole.
Submitted by Fatterrific (user info) at 2007-07-31 01:33:03 EDT (#)
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Two questions:
Who the fuck are you talking about?
Also, Why the fuck should I care?
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-07-31 00:58:02 EDT (#)
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Actually, he has been charged, you piece of shit. His trial starts in November.
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-07-31 00:17:28 EDT (#)
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That's more like it. It was just weird +2'ing your last post.
Submitted by Sinistral (user info) at 2007-07-30 23:56:57 EDT (#)
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A) He committed several federal crimes. That's a bit different than being caught with weed.
B) Pacman Jones didn't get convicted but he's sitting out most of if not all of the year.
C) Kobe Bryant wasn't convicted but Sprite and McDonalds dropped his endorsement deals.
D) Arthur Blank likes to win. Vick doesn't win. Arthur Blank is using this as a way out of his gigantic deal with Vick.
E) stfu
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2007-07-30 23:47:10 EDT (#)
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What will save Vick in court is the severe lack of credibility of his co-conspirators, who will inevitably turn states' evidence against him. The people Vick was associating with are lowlifes (just like him), which, ironically, may cause the jury to discredit their testimony. I'm sure that's what the defense team is hoping for, anyway.
If only being an arrogant, overpaid, overrated piece of crap were a federal offense. There's more than enough evidence to convict him on a dozen counts.
Submitted by Wildman (user info) at 2007-07-30 23:31:34 EDT (#)
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Conduct detrimental to the "wholesomeness" of the NFL...or words to that effect.
Doesn't matter if he's even proven not guilty because he's, at least, hang'n around with the wrong crowd.
Them's the white-man rules.
wholesomeness?????
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha! what a word
Submitted by Flack (user info) at 2007-07-30 22:46:20 EDT (#)
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For pissing people off.
Submitted by haikumikoo (user info) at 2007-07-30 22:12:47 EDT (#)
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I refuse to feel sorry for rich jocks.
Plus, I like dogs more than people, dogs are rad.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2007-07-30 21:34:36 EDT (#)
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Kid... I'm a computer!
Stop all the downloading!
Help computer!
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2007-07-30 21:26:56 EDT (#)
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Vick should have been banned from training camp a long time ago for being a shitty quarterback and a raging retard. The federal indictment is just gravy.
I'm pretty psyched about it because now maybe Shockley will get the chance to throw a few passes.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2007-07-30 21:21:27 EDT (#)
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Rape isn't so bad?
You fucking worthless pile of shit. Of anyone on this site, I thought you at least had a pair banging around down there, enough to say that a man who rapes a woman is a piece of shit. If you really think that, you deserve to have your throat slit and your corpse thrown to wild boars, you fucking grease-bearing cock gobbler.
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-07-30 20:37:51 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by beer-turtle (user info) at 2007-07-30 20:04:25 EDT (#)
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The NFL and other organizations have clauses put into contracts usually stating that they will not act in such a way that will "embarasss" the company they represent. Call it a morality clause, or whatever.
Whether or not the allegations are true regarding Michael Vick and what went on on his property.
What did go on there has been decried as barbaric. Dogs mauling eachother at the behest of their owners for the sake of gambling.
The fact that dog fighting took place on his property is not in dispute.
Now that we have that established...So whether or not Mike Vick is guilty or innocent of being present during the dog fights, companies will distance themselves from him...he is tainted goods.
Always remember folks I am the custodian of a beautiful pitbull myself, he is not my pet (PETA can fuck off) he is my friend, I look out for him, and he protects my stuff.
Submitted by ilikesteak (user info) at 2007-07-30 20:02:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by IntangibleHands (user info) at 2007-07-30 19:05:48 EDT (#)
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Michael Vick HAS been indicted already.
Guilty or innocent, it's pretty hard to justify having a few dozen dog corpses in your backyard. What's his excuse for that?
Feds: "Holy Jesus! would you look at all those dog corpses in the backyard!"
Vick: "Uhhhhhhh.... Those aren't mine..."
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You know why the man has a few dig corpses frozen in his backyard?
Because they're delicious, and if you don't freeze them, they'll rot, making them much less enjoyable.
Submitted by Fartman (user info) at 2007-07-30 19:49:55 EDT (#)
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Fuck off Jonny, and quit insulting my race you fucking inbred hick.
Submitted by UnderDog (user info) at 2007-07-30 19:48:04 EDT (#)
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MV sucks! Yet he does not deserve to be banned.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-07-30 19:34:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Yozz (user info) at 2007-07-30 19:02:43 EDT (#)
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Fat Tony, the presumption of innocence (i.e., innocent until proven guilty) only operates in a court of law. It does not operate anywhere else - and that includes the board rooms of the corporations that are paying endorsement dollars to Vick. I, as an individual, am not obligated to presume Vick is innocent. Neither are the corporations. Only the judge and the jury are required to do so.
Not only do I think Vick is guilty (which I am free to do, contrary to your assertions), I think he is ugly, stupid and a waste of human flesh - just like you.
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Now THIS?
Awesome.
Nice work Yozz-man.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2007-07-30 19:30:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Fartman (user info) at 2007-07-30 16:02:50 PDT (#)
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Why? I'll tell you. All NFL player contracts now include a "morals clause" which gives the team or the league the right to suspend the player or even terminate the contract for "immoral conduct". It has nothing to do with the law and whether he is found to be guilty or innocent under the law.
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you dumb fuckin moolie
Submitted by IntangibleHands (user info) at 2007-07-30 19:05:48 EDT (#)
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Michael Vick HAS been indicted already.
Guilty or innocent, it's pretty hard to justify having a few dozen dog corpses in your backyard. What's his excuse for that?
Feds: "Holy Jesus! would you look at all those dog corpses in the backyard!"
Vick: "Uhhhhhhh.... Those aren't mine..."
Submitted by Fartman (user info) at 2007-07-30 19:02:50 EDT (#)
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Why? I'll tell you. All NFL player contracts now include a "morals clause" which gives the team or the league the right to suspend the player or even terminate the contract for "immoral conduct". It has nothing to do with the law and whether he is found to be guilty or innocent under the law.
As a quarterback, he's a fucking fraud anyway, so who cares?
Submitted by Yozz (user info) at 2007-07-30 19:02:43 EDT (#)
Ranking: -1
Fat Tony, the presumption of innocence (i.e., innocent until proven guilty) only operates in a court of law. It does not operate anywhere else - and that includes the board rooms of the corporations that are paying endorsement dollars to Vick. I, as an individual, am not obligated to presume Vick is innocent. Neither are the corporations. Only the judge and the jury are required to do so.
Not only do I think Vick is guilty (which I am free to do, contrary to your assertions), I think he is ugly, stupid and a waste of human flesh - just like you.
Submitted by FatTony (user info) at 2007-07-30 18:44:21 EDT (#)
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I don't like Michael Vick and I hate Atlanta. Fair is fucking fair, give the nigger a chance and wait until he is convicted. Why demolish his career ahead of time? Wait and see what happens before you (NFL, Upper Deck, Donrus, Commish, etc.) react.
Submitted by Prime36L (user info) at 2007-07-30 18:36:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by UnderDog (user info) at 2007-07-30 18:29:51 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Over rated? Over priced? Piece of shit? Doesn't matter. The NFL and Upper Deck, Donrus, etc. are all letting emotion get in the way. You can't fuck somebody over on emotion alone.
Did they pull Michael Irvin's cards from Upper Deck and Donrus when he was convicted of cocaine? Now if they really gave a shit about children and young adults (their target demographic) then they could have pulled his cards and any other player who was involved in drugs for personal reasons.
This isn't the Christian Football League! It's the National Footbal League.
It's not Upper Deck Moral Cards! It's Upper Deck Sports cards.
It's not the Atlanta Chapter of Animal Rights! It's the Atlanta Falcons.
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See, here's the thing.....I don't care, because I'm amused.
Submitted by UnderDog (user info) at 2007-07-30 18:34:04 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
forgot to +2
Submitted by DudeThatsBOSH (user info) at 2007-07-30 18:33:00 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
i hope his sentence includes having to shit pine cones for the rest of his life
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-07-30 18:32:52 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
didn't read it, as usual
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-07-30 18:31:45 EDT (#)
Ranking: -1
I = It.
I, obviously wouldn't make any money... unless the idea became a reality, then I expect dividends.
Submitted by icanbecool (user info) at 2007-07-30 18:31:18 EDT (#)
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1. The rules were changed, so yes he can be banned.
2. I agree he shouldn't be, innocent until proven guilty.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-07-30 18:30:24 EDT (#)
Ranking: -1
I say he gets lathered up in meat sauce and thrown into a pit filled with rabid dogs.
Get that shit on film... heck sell tickets to the event. I would make a killing on Pay Per fucking View!
All proceeds go to the SPCA.
That is the kind of justice that this world needs to see, in my un-humble opinion.
Submitted by UnderDog (user info) at 2007-07-30 18:29:51 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Over rated? Over priced? Piece of shit? Doesn't matter. The NFL and Upper Deck, Donrus, etc. are all letting emotion get in the way. You can't fuck somebody over on emotion alone.
Did they pull Michael Irvin's cards from Upper Deck and Donrus when he was convicted of cocaine? Now if they really gave a shit about children and young adults (their target demographic) then they could have pulled his cards and any other player who was involved in drugs for personal reasons.
This isn't the Christian Football League! It's the National Footbal League.
It's not Upper Deck Moral Cards! It's Upper Deck Sports cards.
It's not the Atlanta Chapter of Animal Rights! It's the Atlanta Falcons.
Submitted by SgtHartman (user info) at 2007-07-30 18:25:55 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
what an asshole vick is
Submitted by DudeThatsBOSH (user info) at 2007-07-30 18:24:30 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
ya he really is a terrible QB
and a faggot villain
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2007-07-30 18:18:38 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Because he stinks. Worst QB in the NFL.
Submitted by Lambchop (user info) at 2007-07-30 18:10:01 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
I'll give you a +1 because you make a fair point, but Vick and his brother are both horrible human beings outside of football
Submitted by Prime36L (user info) at 2007-07-30 18:08:47 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
+2 Innocent until proven guilty
-2 I get a sick pleasure out of Vick getting career-raped because he's an overrated piece of shit
Submitted by ilikesteak (user info) at 2007-07-30 17:59:59 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
You said the same thing I would have said, but you said it differently.
Submitted by FatTony (user info) at 2007-07-30 17:57:21 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
A person is innocent until proven guilty. You can be caught with a smoking gun in your hand right next to a dead body spurting blood out of 7 different holes and in this country you are innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent.
I guarantee you that MV will be found innocent and he will end up taking Upper Deck to court for damaging his name and not promoting his cards and memorabilia.