Hate crime? (813 hits)
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Submitted by Indoninja (View user info) at 2007-08-01 07:40:21 EDT
Do you believe they should exist?
Is a violent crime more heinous if my motivation is based on gender/race/religion? Personally I don't think so. I think people should be judged by their actions and to me a stabbing someone out of anger is stabbing somone out of anger no matter what the source of the anger is.
What about desecration of religious figures, or vandalism that targets a certain group, is that worse than regular vandalism? Once again I don't think so. People should feel free to express themselves however they want as long as it doesn't harm anyone else's property get in the way of their day to day life. If it crosses the line and does harm their property it should be treated as vandalism. to do anything else is a violation of freedom of speech and gives special protection to one groups beliefs.
No matter what you think on this most people should agree that at the very least we should have a standard that is applied fairly across the board to give every belief equal respect. Unfortunately we don't.
Not too long ago a public museum n NYC hosted an exhibit that included the Virgin Mary covered in pornographic images and covered in elephant dung ( http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0105/02/i_ins.00.html ) I didn't think it was tasteful, I wouldn't see it, I don't think public money should have in any way funded it, but it shouldn't and wasn't considered a hate crime by the police.
There was also the "Piss Christ" which depicted a crucifix dipped in urine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ ). This work of "art" recieved public funding. Once again I think people should be allowed to make crap like this, but I am upset my taxes help to fund it, but it was never labeled a hate crime.
Now lets look at pace university where a student is facingnot one, but two felony hate crime charges for putting a Koran in the toilet ( http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny--vandalismquran0727jul27,0,6882662.story ). Can someone explain this to me? By all means charge the kid with vandalism if the Koran's don't belong to him (a muslim group at the university has been known to hand them out so it may have been given to thim). This is the same university that didn't label desecrating a Campus Menorah or drawing a swastika on a Holocaust memorial event poster a hate crime ( http://www.democracy-project.com/archives/003059.html ).
Where is the standard here?
Why is one group more protected than another?
Most importantly. If this is going to be the standard, desecration of a book that a group holds dear by placing it in a toilet is a hate crime, who is with me in assuring that anyone who puts a copy of the "Zombie Survival Guide" in a toilet faces felony charges?
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Submitted by Sheba (user info) at 2007-08-23 14:34:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-02 18:18:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Lambchop (user info) at 2007-08-01 15:48:49 EDT (#)
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I agree that some of it gets out of hand, especially when the difference in race/ethnicity is completely coincidental. Like if i murder a black guy, and Sharpton runs around saying that it is a hate crime because i hate black people, then i agree with you.
However, if someone runs up to a jew's house and trashes the place while spray painting swastikas and "Heil Hitler" across it, then i think that should be considered a hate crime.
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So if someone broke into my house trashes the place and spray paints fuck you indo, you deserve to die, they didn't hate me? The crime is somehow less severe? I don't see how one is any more offensive or heinous than the other. The judge has sentencing guidelines and if the symbols spray painted are extra offensive then the sentence should reflect it, but an extra set of laws?
If you are going to make that distinction where do you draw the line? What symbols become offensive enough to what groups to warrant extra punishment? Laws are already in place to fight vandalism, harrassment etc. If we add any more to limit particular symbols or give them extra legal protection we are eroding freedom of speech and placing the rights of specific groups above those of average people.
Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-08-01 23:36:33 EDT (#)
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Submitted by gravitas (user info) at 2007-08-01 18:29:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-08-01 08:18:13 EDT (#)
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Blah, Blah, Blah... SUPER-ALTER strikes again!!!
I hate art and Muslims! I love teh flag and Christianity! Look at me, I'm an engineer!!!
Blah, Blah, Blah...
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He's no super-alter...you just described everyone I graduated with in May (mechanical engineering).
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-08-01 16:30:31 EDT (#)
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Interesting hate.
Submitted by DirtyHarry (user info) at 2007-08-01 16:15:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Lambchop (user info) at 2007-08-01 15:48:49 EDT (#)
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I agree that some of it gets out of hand, especially when the difference in race/ethnicity is completely coincidental. Like if i murder a black guy, and Sharpton runs around saying that it is a hate crime because i hate black people, then i agree with you.
However, if someone runs up to a jew's house and trashes the place while spray painting swastikas and "Heil Hitler" across it, then i think that should be considered a hate crime.
Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2007-08-01 15:28:15 EDT (#)
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throwing chimichangas into the toilet is considered a hate crime in California
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-08-01 14:42:41 EDT (#)
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Do you believe they should exist?
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Submitted by Crystle (user info) at 2007-08-01 13:52:29 EDT (#)
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I agree, indo. And with the comments too.
also - I think I remember that Newty is a 13 yr old Brit chit? So she may not be able to follow the logic because she's too caught up in whatever the most prevelent "counter-gov/counter-culture" thought the kids are pretending to have these days.
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2007-08-01 13:32:21 EDT (#)
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What about Reginald Denny? Did they ever prosecute the brick-man for a hate crime?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-01 12:17:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Newty (user info) at 2007-08-01 10:39:27 EDT (#)
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I think it's screwed that someone can piss on a crucifix and call it art, and that someone can be charged with vandalism for putting a Quo'ran in the toilet, but it's hardly the group of people that those acts are meant to offends fault. So why blame them?
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I am not blaming anyone here (well the university and NYPD for a clear double standard) and I am not sure where in this post I implied I was blaming muslims.
My point is (and I thought it was pretty clear in the post) is once you say you can't do something because it is offensive to one group you have to apply that same protection to all groups, and once you do that all art, comedy, movies and TV will be a hate crime because it is all offensive to some people.
Submitted by monkeyswithguns (user info) at 2007-08-01 11:15:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2007-08-01 11:07:26 EDT (#)
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If someone were to scratch "Fuk U" into the paint of my car, I'd be pissed and call that a crime. If it reads "Fuk U Niggar" or "Fuk U Fag" or "Fuk U Joo", it might be considered a 'hate crime' if I was black or gay or jewish. But I'm white and hetero with no firm religious association, so it's still just vandalism. If it said "Fuk U Crackar", that might be considered a hate crime. But I'm not a 'minority', so how can I be hated? Rhetorical question. It's still just vandalism.
I agree with Indo that the act is the crime and the form of, or motivation for the act isn't too relevant. You scratch the paint, that's vandalism. You unjustifiably kill for a percieved difference, that's murder.
Submitted by Newty (user info) at 2007-08-01 10:39:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-01 10:19:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Newty (user info) at 2007-08-01 10:12:24 EDT (#)
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What's the point of putting the Quo'ran (sp?) in the toilet? All it proves is your lack of knowledge of Islam. It's a peaceful religion, the reason it has such a bad name is because of fundamentalists. Which every religion has. If Islam had been introduced to the western world at the same time as Christianity I'm sure there would be a very different view.
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Does a crucifix covered in urine prove the artists lack of knowledge of christianity? How about the virgin mary covered in shit?
I am not applauding the koran in the toilet anymore than I am applauding piss christ, or virgin mary covered in shit.
I don't see the point in any of them. However, I do see the point in protecting the rights of people who want to do it, or at least protecting them equally.
I don't think special treatment should be given to one. Can you follow that? Or is that not multi culturally sensitive enough for you? In your eyes does islam deserve some special treatment?
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I think it's screwed that someone can piss on a crucifix and call it art, and that someone can be charged with vandalism for putting a Quo'ran in the toilet, but it's hardly the group of people that those acts are meant to offends fault. So why blame them?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-01 10:36:01 EDT (#)
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sunny,
didn't see your last response, nevermind below.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-01 10:34:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-08-01 10:21:29 EDT (#)
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I agree with the no special protection clause.
Islam means peace. Fundamentalists =/= true muslims. Unfortunately all muslims are painted with that brush. I understand religion is not a race...I suppose its racist for me to say all muslims are middle eastern.
Fine, freedom of speech can include book burning, flag burning, and all that good stuff. But what is the point of doing it just to spread hate? Are you saying groups like the KKK should be able to recruit as actively as the US military? Should they be allowed to put ads on billboards, magazines, and run TV commercials?
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The word islam is derived from the Arabic verb aslama, which means to accept, surrender or submit.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=islam+definition
One could argue, after having read the koran with an open mind, that fundamentalists are the true muslims. Ignoring fundamentalists doesn't make them go away. They must be confronted (in any religion) and if the regular ones are really peaceful they won't get butthurt. But when millions of people violently riot over a cartoon, you have to question how peaceful they are. Newty had a good point about how long Islam had been around in western cultures. I don't think by itself it is more violent, just more backwards (in general, not all muslims are, but look where most oof the religion is located).
Who draws the line and says it spreads hate? Planty of people would look at the art exhibits I mentioned above and see them as just symbols of hate, why only prosecute one?
Groups like the KKK can recruit (not as actively as the military because they don't have access to public lands). They are allowed to put up billboards take out ads etc. Magazines just refuse to sell tot hem because it would hurt business. If someone wanted to open an art exhibit of torched korans they should be allowed to, but I am sure the backlash would ruin any chance of economic success, would get them kicked out of their building, etc. I don't think the law is capable of fairly deciding what is too offensive and should focus on when laws are actually broken.
Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-08-01 10:23:01 EDT (#)
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Alright alright, I'll agree.
"I don't agree with you, but I will die for your right to do so!"
Those words ring in my head.
Hate blows in conclusion.
Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-08-01 10:21:29 EDT (#)
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thw "west" isn't at war with Iraq. They are killing themselves. I agree the west, or America specifically is to blame for the disorder, but they are still doing it to themselves.
Nobody is at war with Afghanistan, they are at war with the Taliban.
Palestine has broken every peace deal it has ever made with Israel, has used land that Israel kicked its own people out of to launch rockets, has elected a govt that has a stated goal of eliminating all the jews in Israel, I wold hardly say their hands or clean, or that it is the "west" that is against them.
But even if all of the west was at war with several muslim countries the "west" still gives more rights to muslims than muslim countries do. The west still treats them as equals. so muslims living in the west deserve no special protection.
Islam is a religion of peace is highly debatable. I believe many practice it that way, but there are many that don't. Those that don't have solid arguments that support a violent jihad against any who don't agree. If you have analyzed the koran you know this (I don't want to go into the countless verses that advocate death to apostates and jews, dhimmitude, killing your enemy, you know they are there and it is no mistake of translation or taken out of contest). As it is practiced Islam is the most violent religion in the world today. If you have read the teachings of leading middle east scholars you would know this. I am not saying this makes islam bad, as a religion it hasn't "grown up" and still has to come to terms with western or modern life.
Putting a book in a toilet is not racism. Nevermind that religion is not a race. Freedom of speech has to include things that can offend, like flag burning, like books in toilets otherwise it is meaningless.
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I don't want to get into the 'which countries are we at war with' thing, because thats another issue entirely. Let us not forget who backs Israel.
I agree with the no special protection clause.
Islam means peace. Fundamentalists =/= true muslims. Unfortunately all muslims are painted with that brush. I understand religion is not a race...I suppose its racist for me to say all muslims are middle eastern.
Fine, freedom of speech can include book burning, flag burning, and all that good stuff. But what is the point of doing it just to spread hate? Are you saying groups like the KKK should be able to recruit as actively as the US military? Should they be allowed to put ads on billboards, magazines, and run TV commercials?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-01 10:20:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2007-08-01 10:08:25 EDT (#)
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What's the big deal, it's just a book.
Question: Is it a hate crime if you put a baby in a toilet?
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depends on if it was crying on a plane.
Submitted by CHR15 (user info) at 2007-08-01 10:20:02 EDT (#)
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Hate crime laws are pointless.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-01 10:19:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Newty (user info) at 2007-08-01 10:12:24 EDT (#)
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What's the point of putting the Quo'ran (sp?) in the toilet? All it proves is your lack of knowledge of Islam. It's a peaceful religion, the reason it has such a bad name is because of fundamentalists. Which every religion has. If Islam had been introduced to the western world at the same time as Christianity I'm sure there would be a very different view.
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Does a crucifix covered in urine prove the artists lack of knowledge of christianity? How about the virgin mary covered in shit?
I am not applauding the koran in the toilet anymore than I am applauding piss christ, or virgin mary covered in shit.
I don't see the point in any of them. However, I do see the point in protecting the rights of people who want to do it, or at least protecting them equally.
I don't think special treatment should be given to one. Can you follow that? Or is that not multiculturally sensitive enough for you? In your eyes does islam deserve some special treatment?
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-08-01 10:17:07 EDT (#)
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I agree with you, and I'm a pinko commie fag...none of which is true. That's just what I get called.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-01 10:14:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-08-01 09:59:15 EDT (#)
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Lets see...Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, and a handful of others who, when it comes down to it, would go to war against us.
Iraq and Afghanistan have not been conquered. We are still very much at war with them.
Ok fine, we can't give special protection to a group because of world events, I can agree. But really, is putting a Quran in a toilet creative freedom of speech, or is it just asking for a reaction?
Analyze the Quran, realize Islam is a religion of peace and has been manipulated by radicals. Publish something about that if you want freedom of speech. Don't put the thing in a fucking toilet. That won't accomplish a damn thing, it's just racism at that point.
Just like burning an American flag. Americans don't like it so much, but hey, freedom of speech!
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thw "west" isn't at war with Iraq. They are killing themselves. I agree the west, or America specifically is to blame for the disorder, but they are still doing it to themselves.
Nobody is at war with Afghanistan, they are at war with the Taliban.
Palestine has broken every peace deal it has ever made with Israel, has used land that Israel kicked its own people out of to launch rockets, has elected a govt that has a stated goal of eliminating all the jews in Israel, I wold hardly say their hands or clean, or that it is the "west" that is against them.
But even if all of the west was at war with several muslim countries the "west" still gives more rights to muslims than muslim countries do. The west still treats them as equals. so muslims living in the west deserve no special protection.
Islam is a religion of peace is highly debatable. I believe many practice it that way, but there are many that don't. Those that don't have solid arguments that support a violent jihad against any who don't agree. If you have analyzed the koran you know this (I don't want to go into the countless verses that advocate death to apostates and jews, dhimmitude, killing your enemy, you know they are there and it is no mistake of translation or taken out of contest). As it is practiced Islam is the most violent religion in the world today. If you have read the teachings of leading middle east scholars you would know this. I am not saying this makes islam bad, as a religion it hasn't "grown up" and still has to come to terms with western or modern life.
Putting a book in a toilet is not racism. Nevermind that religion is not a race. Freedom of speech has to include things that can offend, like flag burning, like books in toilets otherwise it is meaningless.
Submitted by Newty (user info) at 2007-08-01 10:12:24 EDT (#)
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What's the point of putting the Quo'ran (sp?) in the toilet? All it proves is your lack of knowledge of Islam. It's a peaceful religion, the reason it has such a bad name is because of fundamentalists. Which every religion has. If Islam had been introduced to the western world at the same time as Christianity I'm sure there would be a very different view.
Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2007-08-01 10:08:25 EDT (#)
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What's the big deal, it's just a book.
Question: Is it a hate crime if you put a baby in a toilet?
Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-08-01 09:59:15 EDT (#)
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The "situation" won't get better if people insist on walking on egg shells when it comes to islam. Unless they want to liv oppressed lives in third world countries they have to accept what comes with freedom of speech. You will and can be offended. I refuse to live in a society that rejects freedom of speech that took hundreds of year to reach just to appease a small group of immigrants who refuse to become acclimated to their new country (or to appease ignorant bible thumpers who assign more importance to the "divinity" of a book than to the freedom man should have).
I am baffled by your second statement. What several muslim countries are at war with the west? You can't give special protection to one group because of world events. and if you are going to why not apply the same standard to christians now seeing as how in some muslim countries they aren't treated as equals? either way you look at it you are applauding double standards, which is never right.
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Lets see...Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, and a handful of others who, when it comes down to it, would go to war against us.
Iraq and Afghanistan have not been conquered. We are still very much at war with them.
Ok fine, we can't give special protection to a group because of world events, I can agree. But really, is putting a Quran in a toilet creative freedom of speech, or is it just asking for a reaction?
Analyze the Quran, realize Islam is a religion of peace and has been manipulated by radicals. Publish something about that if you want freedom of speech. Don't put the thing in a fucking toilet. That won't accomplish a damn thing, it's just racism at that point.
Just like burning an American flag. Americans don't like it so much, but hey, freedom of speech!
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2007-08-01 09:55:00 EDT (#)
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I'm really not seeing how it would even be a crime to put a Koran in a toilet.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-01 09:47:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-08-01 09:31:55 EDT (#)
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I didn't say I was offended, but given the current situations around the world, that's just gonna bring a shit storm if some radical came across your post. Not that it matters.
Yeah, if the western world was at war with several Christian states and you posted a bible in the toilet, it'd be equally fucked up.
Just sayin'.
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The "situation" won't get better if people insist on walking on egg shells when it comes to islam. Unless they want to liv oppressed lives in third world countries they have to accept what comes with freedom of speech. You will and can be offended. I refuse to live in a society that rejects freedom of speech that took hundreds of year to reach just to appease a small group of immigrants who refuse to become acclimated to their new country (or to appease ignorant bible thumpers who assign more importance to the "divinity" of a book than to the freedom man should have).
I am baffled by your second statement. What several muslim countries are at war with the west? You can't give special protection to one group because of world events. and if you are going to why not apply the same standard to christians now seeing as how in some muslim countries they aren't treated as equals? either way you look at it you are applauding double standards, which is never right.
Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-08-01 09:31:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-01 09:29:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-08-01 09:17:46 EDT (#)
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Quran in the toilet, wow....I'm not even muslim but don't get me started.
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You are offended by a koran in the toilet?
Unless you are equally offended by a bible, torah, or my zombie survival guide in the toilet then you believe that muslims are a special class of people and deserve better treatment.
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I didn't say I was offended, but given the current situations around the world, that's just gonna bring a shit storm if some radical came across your post. Not that it matters.
Yeah, if the western world was at war with several Christian states and you posted a bible in the toilet, it'd be equally fucked up.
Just sayin'.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-01 09:29:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-08-01 09:17:46 EDT (#)
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Quran in the toilet, wow....I'm not even muslim but don't get me started.
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You are offended by a koran in the toilet?
Unless you are equally offended by a bible, torah, or my zombie survival guide in the toilet then you believe that muslims are a special class of people and deserve better treatment.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-01 09:27:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-08-01 09:17:46 EDT (#)
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Stabbing someone because you're pissed at them is one thing. Stabbing someone purely because of who they are and what the colour of their skin is, even if they did nothing wrong is something totally separate.
I.e. I stabbed Sunjay because he fucked my girlfriend vs. I stabbed Sunjay because he wears a turban
Equal crimes? Yes. However the symbolic gesture of a hate crime triggers more hate and the backlashes are worse.
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People aren't responsible for the backlash. If I stabbed someone who did nothing to me, weather I did it for kicks, because he was wearing blue and I was a blood, or because I don't like his racxe it is all the same and should be treated the same. If it isn't you are saying that one race/group/religion has more protection under the law.
When you bring up sleeping with a girlfriend as a reason you are comparing apples to oranges.
Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-08-01 09:17:46 EDT (#)
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Is a violent crime more heinous if my motivation is based on gender/race/religion? Personally I don't think so. I think people should be judged by their actions and to me a stabbing someone out of anger is stabbing somone out of anger no matter what the source of the anger is.
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Stabbing someone because you're pissed at them is one thing. Stabbing someone purely because of who they are and what the colour of their skin is, even if they did nothing wrong is something totally separate.
I.e. I stabbed Sunjay because he fucked my girlfriend vs. I stabbed Sunjay because he wears a turban
Equal crimes? Yes. However the symbolic gesture of a hate crime triggers more hate and the backlashes are worse.
Quran in the toilet, wow....I'm not even muslim but don't get me started.
But a 0 because you bring up a good argument.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-01 09:05:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DudeThatsBOSH (user info) at 2007-08-01 09:04:29 EDT (#)
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"Someone here has committed a hate crime"
"..umm Michael that's not really a hate crime.."
"WELL I HATED IT"
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what is that from?
Submitted by DudeThatsBOSH (user info) at 2007-08-01 09:04:29 EDT (#)
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"Someone here has committed a hate crime"
"..umm Michael that's not really a hate crime.."
"WELL I HATED IT"
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-01 08:55:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-08-01 08:47:13 EDT (#)
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What's wrong with the way I draw a fist!!!
**runs away crying**
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Only thing that popped to mind to mock your work....
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-08-01 08:47:13 EDT (#)
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What's wrong with the way I draw a fist!!!
**runs away crying**
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-01 08:39:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-08-01 08:28:01 EDT (#)
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1 - I did read it all. It's the same nonsense you always write about. You do it for heat & hits.
2 - I don't think you're a Govt paid troll. I think you're a regular Troll. I think you created a character, and while you play it well, it's not really you. As I've said before - No human being could be as intelligent as you've proven yourself and still have all the opinions you claim to have. Nope, it's all an act. That's why I don't bother with you much anymore...
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1- Don't care about heat and hits, I care about amusing myself. I would love to see someone that couls justify this being a hate crime, and honestly agreeing it whould be extended to the zombie survival guide being put in a toilet.
2 - I am getting called an act by a guy who has about a hundred pictures of himself in the same pose? You are a two dimensional caricature of an overweight smoking guy who is into goth chicks, smoking, and horror. I think you are a troll because nobody could spend that much time drawing and still not be able to make a fist! Everybody on here is made up or just showing one aspect because we are entertained by different things.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-08-01 08:29:46 EDT (#)
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hate crime is idiotic...all that labelling sets precedents for double standards
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-08-01 08:28:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-01 08:22:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Stagger_Lee (user info) at 2007-08-01 08:21:31 EDT (#)
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Super alter? What?
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Kaos took some of ETS's kool-aid and thinks I am a govt paid troll.
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1 - I did read it all. It's the same nonsense you always write about. You do it for heat & hits.
2 - I don't think you're a Govt paid troll. I think you're a regular Troll. I think you created a character, and while you play it well, it's not really you. As I've said before - No human being could be as intelligent as you've proven yourself and still have all the opinions you claim to have. Nope, it's all an act. That's why I don't bother with you much anymore...
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-01 08:22:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Stagger_Lee (user info) at 2007-08-01 08:21:31 EDT (#)
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Super alter? What?
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Kaos took some of ETS's kool-aid and thinks I am a govt paid troll.
Submitted by storm (user info) at 2007-08-01 08:22:15 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/6768#33938
http://www.ubersite.com/m/6768#33986
My how ubersite has changed.
Submitted by Stagger_Lee (user info) at 2007-08-01 08:21:31 EDT (#)
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Super alter? What?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-01 08:20:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-08-01 08:18:13 EDT (#)
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Blah, Blah, Blah... SUPER-ALTER strikes again!!!
I hate art and Muslims! I love teh flag and Christianity! Look at me, I'm an engineer!!!
Blah, Blah, Blah...
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You didn't finish reading it did you?
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-08-01 08:18:13 EDT (#)
Ranking: -1
Blah, Blah, Blah... SUPER-ALTER strikes again!!!
I hate art and Muslims! I love teh flag and Christianity! Look at me, I'm an engineer!!!
Blah, Blah, Blah...
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-01 08:00:59 EDT (#)
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To clarify he put two korans in the toilet, one for each felony.
Didn't mean to imply he got two felony charges for putting one Koran in the toilet, after all the NYPD isn't unreasonable.
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2007-08-01 08:00:26 EDT (#)
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I was just thinking about this. I disagree with Hate Crime legislation since, as you mentioned, it mgives some classes of people more rights than others.
Submitted by hour_man (user info) at 2007-08-01 07:53:38 EDT (#)
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I've been away for a while. I can't remember if I think you're a dick or not... however, this i liked.
Submitted by mikethescottish (user info) at 2007-08-01 07:48:42 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Yes.