Where should papers draw the line? (1218 hits)
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Submitted by Indoninja (View user info) at 2007-08-28 13:10:18 EDT
We all remember the Mohammad cartoons a few years back that could arguably called inflammatory, and I am sure a lot of people would argue that US papers were right in not printing them (even though the US was still blamed for them), but where should the line be drawn when it comes to being "sensitive" to one religion?
Recently Washington Post refused to print the comic below. Can someone explain how this is inflammatory towards a reasonable person? How it is more offensive than regularly published articles on other religions? Does anyone really think this crosses some line where the paper is justified in not printing it? This comic has mocked major religious and political figures in the past, why is it now taboo to talk about one group?
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-30 08:12:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by haikumikoo (user info) at 2007-08-29 20:57:51 EDT (#)
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Didn't anyone tell you guys?
Natural resources are the new religion.
Duh.
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Well if green measures that tree huggers want get put into place world wide, it will cause more deaths then religious wars in the last hundred years too.
Third world countries, if constrained by "green laws" will find it even harder to gorw out of dirt farming and be able to support themselves.
Submitted by haikumikoo (user info) at 2007-08-29 20:57:51 EDT (#)
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Didn't anyone tell you guys?
Natural resources are the new religion.
Duh.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-29 09:22:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-08-29 08:57:10 EDT (#)
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Dear IndoNinja: the SuperAlter,
While I agree with the point you're trying to make here, ...
...as all about fuckin' cash...
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I was hoping you were commenting on the communism being worse than religion comment, much more interesting conversation.
If the washington post (or the "left" in general in the US) is more surrounded by christians than shouldn't they be more concerned with mocking them and losing their subscriptions?
It isn't about money. It is about a slow erosion of what people feel they can and cannot say about a particular subject. If newspapers refuse to come near commenting on issues like Islam how long until it is not allowed in schools, TV and public speech. It is about them having an extra filter for anything to do with Islam. They said they showed it to muslim staffers before deciding to run it. Do you think they do the same to things that may offend christians?
You know if it was a comic that pissed off christians and it was pulled or they printed it and apoligized you would be ranting how they were crybabies (I would agree). If they printed something about christians and refused to apoligize you would support them 100%. I am baffeled by anyone who can support this double standard.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-08-29 08:57:10 EDT (#)
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Dear IndoNinja: the SuperAlter,
While I agree with the point you're trying to make here, I must point out that very FEW satrical cartoonist of the modern day would dare attempt to mock the Born Again sects of Christianity either with the current power grip they have. Any strip that would have us laugh at "Rev. Billy Bob wranglin' a snake fer Jaysis" would be INSTANTLY pulled from a publication. Personally, I can think of no group better to be mocked or laughed at than those ignorant primates who have dedicated their existance to an imaginary man in the sky, REGARDLESS of what name they attribute to him.
I know, I know... you SAY you are convinced that we wacky Liberals only hate teh Christians, but once again: that's just who we are mostly surrounded by. Don't get me wrong, there are some neo-hippy, treehungers that want to adore everyone in their Hands-Across-America sensitivity... but not all of 'em. While I DO have a particular hate of organized religion, I'll never deny a man his faith - as long as he keeps it a private, personal thing.
That said, I don't think the issue here is ABOUT faith: it's about MONEY. Since the time of W.R. Hearst, reporting the news became less important than controling power and finance. In this century, it's even more prevelant. I don't think these papers really cared about the fact that they might offend a few Muslims... they were terrified that a few might stop BUYING that paper!!! Think about it - the sports & entertainment sections are BIGGER than the world news section anymore! These publications are marketed to the lowest common denominator reader to score the biggest sales numbers.
This was NEVER about faith, fear or sensitivity - it was all about fuckin' cash...
Submitted by ShapeShifter (user info) at 2007-08-29 08:06:01 EDT (#)
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Down the middle?
Submitted by kuroneko_sama (user info) at 2007-08-29 00:04:34 EDT (#)
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when did steve dalas get grey and a combover.... damn i feel old
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2007-08-28 23:21:43 EDT (#)
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Berk Breathed has been one of my heroes since I was about 9 years old. The man is, quite simply, a genius.
This strip doesn't seem so inflammatory to me, but each publication has the right to decide what they do and don't want to print, and they don't have to explain or justify it to anyone. If I owned the Washington Post, there's a good possibility I may print nothing but Berk Breathed cartoons and lolcats. Then again, I'm a baby sue comix fan, so what the fuck do I know about anything.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-28 20:48:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-28 14:17:44 EDT (#)
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Are you serious?
He is suprised by her sudden conversion, but after she lists how she will be obedient, won't be involved in western celebrity bs, etc he is happy. The he realizes he won't be able to pork her.
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and nobody got the "pork" joke.
get it, pork, muslims. HA i kill me.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-28 20:46:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bart (user info) at 2007-08-28 17:46:06 EDT (#)
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Fuck them all. Organized religion is the largest social cancer civilization has ever encountered. When every religious freak disappears from the face of the earth, maybe the rest of us will finally be able to enjoy our lives in peace.
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I could point to a few "communist" regimes that have been responsible for over 90 million deaths in the last hundred years.
USSR: 20 million deaths
China: 65 million deaths
Vietnam: 1 million deaths
North Korea: 2 million deaths
Cambodia: 2 million deaths
Eastern Europe: 1 million deaths
Latin America: 150,000 deaths
Africa: 1.7 million deaths
Afghanistan: 1.5 million deaths
Nothing to do with religion there. How many died for religion in the same time frame?
I am not trying to argue that this means all communists are a cancer and when they dissapear people will have peace because that would be short sighted, and ignorant. Just like calling religion the greatest social cancer in the world.
Any social "construct" can be twisted or used to kill and ruin peoples lives, this has been proven time and time again. Religion isn't the same as ignorance no matter how clever you think athiesm or whatever philosophy you adhere to is, and ignorance is the problem.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-08-28 20:30:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bart (user info) at 2007-08-28 17:46:06 EDT (#)
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Fuck them all. Organized religion is the largest social cancer civilization has ever encountered. When every religious freak disappears from the face of the earth, maybe the rest of us will finally be able to enjoy our lives in peace.
Submitted by Crystle (user info) at 2007-08-28 19:11:22 EDT (#)
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hahahahaha
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:57:59 PDT (#)
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wasn't the last truck bomb on US soil set off by some redneck who look liked AJ?
why did they execute that guy anyway? i'm sure you could've made a nice MTV reality show out of him.
Some oblivious guy would be about to choose a chick on Date My Mom and then BAM...McVeigh exits a limo and grabs his crotch.
Think about the ratings.
Submitted by i_can_get_you_a_toe (user info) at 2007-08-28 18:57:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by haikumikoo (user info) at 2007-08-28 18:41:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bart (user info) at 2007-08-28 14:46:06 PDT (#)
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I don't see why the papers should ever avoid printing something just because it offends the members of some cult. Can you imagine it going the other way? Is there any topic that a religion wouldn't touch on because it might offend people who don't agree?
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Perhaps the clan said it best, "Cash rules everything around me, C.R.E.A.M. get the money, dollar dollar bill y'all!"
I figured that as long as we're oversimplifying things, we might as well quote hip-hop from the early nineties.
Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-08-28 18:13:19 EDT (#)
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you may call it social cancer now....but we'll see who has the last laugh when you get reincarnated as a bean sprout - sucker!!
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2007-08-28 17:46:06 EDT (#)
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I don't see why the papers should ever avoid printing something just because it offends the members of some cult. Can you imagine it going the other way? Is there any topic that a religion wouldn't touch on because it might offend people who don't agree?
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Pope: I want to preach against masturbation and homosexuality, but I don't want to offend any of the homosexuals out there listening. Maybe I should just talk about Angelina Jolie's baby and the latest episode of Heroes?
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Ayatollah Whoever: I believe capitalism and the Jews are going to lead to the downfall of civilization and eventual Armageddon. I don't want to offend anybody though, so maybe I should talk about tolerance and understanding instead?
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Fuck them all. Organized religion is the largest social cancer civilization has ever encountered. When every religious freak disappears from the face of the earth, maybe the rest of us will finally be able to enjoy our lives in peace.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-08-28 16:57:59 EDT (#)
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wasn't the last truck bomb on US soil set off by some redneck who look liked AJ?
why did they execute that guy anyway? i'm sure you could've made a nice MTV reality show out of him.
Some oblivious guy would be about to choose a chick on Date My Mom and then BAM...McVeigh exits a limo and grabs his crotch.
Think about the ratings.
Submitted by Crystle (user info) at 2007-08-28 16:47:19 EDT (#)
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ahem - they're afraid of being truck-bombed.
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-08-28 10:28:13 PDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:24:35 EDT (#)
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If it is all about sales they would print this comic.
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they're probably just being careful to avoid being lambasted and/or sued.
who the fuck cares anyway?
Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-08-28 16:08:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-28 15:45:34 EDT (#)
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http://www.cafepress.com/americaneagle04.53830052
I was reading more about this and found a link to these shirts.
I am sure the airport screeners will love them next time I fly...
Submitted by SgtHartman (user info) at 2007-08-28 15:22:50 EDT (#)
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fuck that, this was funny
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2007-08-28 15:18:53 EDT (#)
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Thats not all that offensive but then of course neither is it all that funny. Id class that comic a -1 in Uber terms.
Submitted by haikumikoo (user info) at 2007-08-28 15:17:35 EDT (#)
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Because they're afraid some crazy bastard is going to e'splode them?
The cartoon was just ok.
Submitted by Sinistral (user info) at 2007-08-28 15:10:14 EDT (#)
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The Atlanta Journal Constitution published this last Sunday. I found it hysterical.
On a side note, I just realized that the window to submit a review now has spell check. awesome.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-28 14:37:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-08-28 14:31:07 EDT (#)
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I didn't think the comic was funny or offensive.
However, this is capitalism folks. The Free Market is what it is.
Newspapers (should) do what ever appeals the the demographic buying their shit. Obviously there appears to be a market for 'religious sensitivity' - or at the very least a market for 'contentious censorship of art' - either way it all comes down to satisfying the bottom line and if the publishers think they can leverage the so-called moral high-ground and still make money - more power to 'em.
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There isn't a market for religious sensitivity. They trample any non-muslim religion whenever they want. That is my problem. Not that they showed "sensetivity" but that they only show it to one group.
In reading about this Washington Post decided to show the comic to some of its muslim employees, they didn't like it so it wasn't shown. Do you really thinkt he same courtesy is extended to any other religion?
And, not funny?!?! You didn't even smirk at the end when he realized he wasn't getting laid? Maybeyou saw it coming but for me it definately zigged when I thought it would zag, which makes me laugh.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-08-28 14:31:07 EDT (#)
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I didn't think the comic was funny or offensive.
However, this is capitalism folks. The Free Market is what it is.
Newspapers (should) do what ever appeals the the demographic buying their shit. Obviously there appears to be a market for 'religious sensitivity' - or at the very least a market for 'contentious censorship of art' - either way it all comes down to satisfying the bottom line and if the publishers think they can leverage the so-called moral high-ground and still make money - more power to 'em.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-28 14:17:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Naery (user info) at 2007-08-28 14:08:52 EDT (#)
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i don't get it...
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Are you serious?
He is suprised by her sudden conversion, but after she lists how she will be obedient, won't be involved in western celebrity bs, etc he is happy. The he realizes he won't be able to pork her.
Submitted by Naery (user info) at 2007-08-28 14:08:52 EDT (#)
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i don't get it...
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2007-08-28 14:04:44 EDT (#)
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If you sneeze wrong, someone somewhere will be offended.
Fuck them. I don't care if they get all pissy over some preceived slight because THEY'RE ALWAYS OFFENDED AT SOMETHING SOME EVIL WESTERN PERSON/COUNTRY/NEWSPAPER/ETC said or did.
It's old, tired, and boring at this point.
And, I may be wrong about this, it seems that the more they are placated, the more fanatical they become. Like the whole give an inch/take a mile thing.
I dunno.
If I walked around getting upset at everything that may offend me, I'd be spending a lot of time pissed off and crying in the corner. And that would be stupid. I got shit to do.
Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-08-28 14:03:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-28 14:00:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:40:15 EDT (#)
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Granted. You can make fun of my grandfather wearing a turban all you want, you're entitled to, and frankly I find some of the jokes funny.
It's when someone thinks he's a Muslim radical because "ONLY MUSLIMS HAVE BEARDS AND WEAR TURBANS LOL!!11" that it becomes an issue. Our religious beliefs shouldn't have to be altered because people can't tell the difference (yes, cue the people who say Y'all look alike). The problem here is ignorance in general. Jokes are fine, but ignorance that sparks violence is something else. I'm sure you agree.
It's not just one sided. Any white guy walking around with a Ralph Lauren shirt on in the middle east will be assumed to be an American/other assumptions put on him that might spark violence.
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I am not excusing violence. It is a fact that people are judged by their appearance. Expecting the world to not make any judgements on your appearance is unrealistic. If I see someone dressed like a ghetto thug, a self-cutting emo, a camel jockey, or in a business suit I am going to treat each one different, and so will you. Not to the point of rudeness, but there will be a difference.
I have been in th emiddle east, and in most places a nice button down didn't give me away as much as my hair and skin color.
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Point taken.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2007-08-28 14:02:48 EDT (#)
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STEVE DALLAS! ALRIGHT!
Submitted by creep_firebombing (user info) at 2007-08-28 14:00:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:54:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:45:08 EDT (#)
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my point is that every1 needs a great deal of stfu.
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There is a difference between "stfu" oh my god we can't mention them because they will be mad.
All I want is for people to stop walking on egg shells about it.
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All I want is to win the lottery. I think we'll be waiting about the same amount of time.
Submitted by Orgasmatron (user info) at 2007-08-28 14:00:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:25:53 EDT (#)
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good point Caul.
I believe it was Carlos Mencia who said, "America is one big game of tag where theres a group always getting fucked at the bottom. On September 11th Jamal and Miguel stepped aside, tapped Akhmed and said "fuck you puta, you're it!". "
Or something to that effect.
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Provided Carlos "Joke Thief" Mencia actually came up with that line himself.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-28 14:00:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:40:15 EDT (#)
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Granted. You can make fun of my grandfather wearing a turban all you want, you're entitled to, and frankly I find some of the jokes funny.
It's when someone thinks he's a Muslim radical because "ONLY MUSLIMS HAVE BEARDS AND WEAR TURBANS LOL!!11" that it becomes an issue. Our religious beliefs shouldn't have to be altered because people can't tell the difference (yes, cue the people who say Y'all look alike). The problem here is ignorance in general. Jokes are fine, but ignorance that sparks violence is something else. I'm sure you agree.
It's not just one sided. Any white guy walking around with a Ralph Lauren shirt on in the middle east will be assumed to be an American/other assumptions put on him that might spark violence.
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I am not excusing violence. It is a fact that people are judged by their appearance. Expecting the world to not make any judgements on your appearance is unrealistic. If I see someone dressed like a ghetto thug, a self-cutting emo, a camel jockey, or in a business suit I am going to treat each one different, and so will you. Not to the point of rudeness, but there will be a difference.
I have been in th emiddle east, and in most places a nice button down didn't give me away as much as my hair and skin color.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:54:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:45:08 EDT (#)
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my point is that every1 needs a great deal of stfu.
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There is a difference between "stfu" oh my god we can't mention them because they will be mad.
All I want is for people to stop walking on egg shells about it.
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:53:08 EDT (#)
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Known Muslim Michael Vick has recently come under fire for his gay marriage, as well as forcing his ex-wife into horrific coat-hanger abortion, proclaiming that Islam is the only true path, Allah is great, and terror against Great Satan is worthy.
Iraq is a gay.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:52:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:41:48 EDT (#)
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i would like to wake up one day and not hear any word related to terror or muslims once.
i'm sure that would solve a lot.
there are nonesensical laws everywhere. in my province, it's illegal for margarine to be the same color as butter. so what?
the only reason you are annoyed is because they are muslims and you're into that craze as much as you were into the War On Christmas and other media-driven dualities that harness your emotions.
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The butter laws makes sense, or at least did when butter was new.
No, I am annoyed because itis a funny comic. I am annoyed because it is a clear double standard. That comic has discussed everything from gay marriage, masturbation, birthcontrol, chrisitans, athiests, jews, but muslims are off the table?
"The strip came in and I knew we would have to send out an alert to all the newspapers. I do that fairly regularly with materials that might pose issues for local areas. ... We knew that because it was a sex joke, it could raise issues. And there is another client that has issues with any Muslim depiction whatsoever." - Amy Lago http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,294779,00.html
I don't think not hearing anything about muslims helps. I think treating them like grown ups and like any other religion does.
Submitted by creep_firebombing (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:50:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jamowilly40 (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:46:51 EDT (#)
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I like turtles.
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BAM! Now THAT is fucking gold right there.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:50:08 EDT (#)
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i'm going to follow my own advice and not give a shit about this.
the next time someone says the word "muslim" or "islam", i'm gonna do like i do for each instances of the words "terror", "abortion", "michael vick", "gay marriage", etc and think of delicious maple cream cookies.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Submitted by jamowilly40 (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:46:51 EDT (#)
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I like turtles.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:45:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:39:10 EDT (#)
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Are you saying that american attitudes about 9/11 caused the backlash over the danish comics? """
i knew you,d say that, but that isn't my point. my point is that because there is such hysteria over islam today, it is only normal that the worse elements on all side of the arguments will be at the forefront. my point is that every1 needs a great deal of stfu.
And you brought up 9/11."""
i brought it as a reference date when muslims, once considered as important as dirt, became the focus of our media. not the day where the world stopped revolving like americans percieve it.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:41:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:35:17 EDT (#)
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I really can't explain why, no it doesn't affect my day to day life but almost no changes in govt policy decisions, or in public norms does. But if left unchecked they eventually will. I don't want to wake up one day and see that I can be arrested for trashing a koarn (oh wait, that is a hate crime in NYC).
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i would like to wake up one day and not hear any word related to terror or muslims once.
i'm sure that would solve a lot.
there are nonesensical laws everywhere. in my province, it's illegal for margarine to be the same color as butter. so what?
the only reason you are annoyed is because they are muslims and you're into that craze as much as you were into the War On Christmas and other media-driven dualities that harness your emotions.
Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:40:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:25:53 EDT (#)
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good point Caul.
I believe it was Carlos Mencia who said, "America is one big game of tag where theres a group always getting fucked at the bottom. On September 11th Jamal and Miguel stepped aside, tapped Akhmed and said "fuck you puta, you're it!". "
Or something to that effect.
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Before 9/11 this would have been printed, no problem. Now everybody has big sopping sandy vaginas when it comes to anything Muslim, and I am sick of it.
If you don't like strange looks don't wear a fucking turban, the same goes for jews with their silly heavy black clothes and long ass sideburns, and people celebrating their "african heritage" by wearing robes and stupid hats. If you are different you will get attention, but there is no reason it has to be positive, and I should be able to mock you as much as I want, and strips that mock them in the paper, especially goodhearted ones like this, should be allowed.
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Granted. You can make fun of my grandfather wearing a turban all you want, you're entitled to, and frankly I find some of the jokes funny.
It's when someone thinks he's a Muslim radical because "ONLY MUSLIMS HAVE BEARDS AND WEAR TURBANS LOL!!11" that it becomes an issue. Our religious beliefs shouldn't have to be altered because people can't tell the difference (yes, cue the people who say Y'all look alike). The problem here is ignorance in general. Jokes are fine, but ignorance that sparks violence is something else. I'm sure you agree.
It's not just one sided. Any white guy walking around with a Ralph Lauren shirt on in the middle east will be assumed to be an American/other assumptions put on him that might spark violence.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:39:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:36:01 EDT (#)
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if americans would stfu about 9/11 and not make such a big deal out terrorism, muslims wouldn't always targetted and percieve harmless comic strips as subtle attacks. or at least, they'd look like idiots if they would.
there are no arguments to be made in this kind of hysteria.
everybody needs stfu and take a long nap.
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Are you saying that american attitudes about 9/11 caused the backlash over the danish comics?
And you brought up 9/11.
All I am saying is that papers, especially papers that claim to be champions of free speech, need to stop listening to people who get extra butt hurt over their religion, or at the very least need to have a policy that tries to give equal respect to all religions.
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:38:15 EDT (#)
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I always have trouble discerning the difference between this comic and Doonesbury. Probably because my local newspaper doesn't run either strip anymore.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:36:01 EDT (#)
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if americans would stfu about 9/11 and not make such a big deal out terrorism, muslims wouldn't always targetted and percieve harmless comic strips as subtle attacks. or at least, they'd look like idiots if they would.
there are no arguments to be made in this kind of hysteria.
everybody needs stfu and take a long nap.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:35:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:28:13 EDT (#)
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they're probably just being careful to avoid being lambasted and/or sued.
who the fuck cares anyway?
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Because it is a double standard, and it annoys me to no end.
I really can't explain why, no it doesn't affect my day to day life but almost no changes in govt policy decisions, or in public norms does. But if left unchecked they eventually will. I don't want to wake up one day and see that I can be arrested for trashing a koarn (oh wait, that is a hate crime in NYC).
But mostly I think the comic is funny.
Submitted by creep_firebombing (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:35:10 EDT (#)
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Axo's was way hotter Caul.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:31:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:25:53 EDT (#)
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good point Caul.
I believe it was Carlos Mencia who said, "America is one big game of tag where theres a group always getting fucked at the bottom. On September 11th Jamal and Miguel stepped aside, tapped Akhmed and said "fuck you puta, you're it!". "
Or something to that effect.
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Before 9/11 this would have been printed, no problem. Now everybody has big sopping sandy vaginas when it comes to anything Muslim, and I am sick of it.
If you don't like strange looks don't wear a fucking turban, the same goes for jews with their silly heavy black clothes and long ass sideburns, and people celebrating their "african heritage" by wearing robes and stupid hats. If you are different you will get attention, but there is no reason it has to be positive, and I should be able to mock you as much as I want, and strips that mock them in the paper, especially goodhearted ones like this, should be allowed.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:28:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:24:35 EDT (#)
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If it is all about sales they would print this comic.
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they're probably just being careful to avoid being lambasted and/or sued.
who the fuck cares anyway?
Submitted by monkeyswithguns (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:27:34 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by wookie (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:27:16 EDT (#)
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I'm with Christopher Hitchens (and you, apparently) on this... if Muslims don't want to be seen as fanatical nutjobs, perhaps they should stop taking to the streets and burning shit when they perceive a slight against their no-more-or-less-important-than-anyone-else's-god. Especially when the "slight" comes in the form of a fucking cartoon. And maybe the more liberal of the Allah-chasers could be a bit more vocal in their denouncement of their fanatical brethren.
http://www.slate.com/id/2171371/
http://www.slate.com/id/2169020/
Submitted by creep_firebombing (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:25:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:23:59 EDT (#)
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Creep_firebombing - http://stuff.ubersite.com/1169140003963215069/1/20060309210434-5539-0-L.jpg
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FUCK YEAH
Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:25:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:22:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:19:55 EDT (#)
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Lets not forget that the washington post, the Los Angeles Times, and the Boston Globe did publish pictures of the piss christ.
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media sells. since when is it supposed to be rational?
i demand that we go back to the pre-9/11 era, when nobody gave a rat's ass about muslims whatever they did.
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good point Caul.
I believe it was Carlos Mencia who said, "America is one big game of tag where theres a group always getting fucked at the bottom. On September 11th Jamal and Miguel stepped aside, tapped Akhmed and said "fuck you puta, you're it!". "
Or something to that effect.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:24:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:22:34 EDT (#)
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media sells. since when is it supposed to be rational?
i demand that we go back to the pre-9/11 era, when nobody gave a rat's ass about muslims whatever they did.
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If it is all about sales they would print this comic.
But you have a point. I want to go back to pre-9/11 because they made great bad guys, now every bad guy is euro trash.
I like a little variety in my stereotype bad guys.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:24:33 EDT (#)
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my jihadist is a lot hotter http://www.ubersite.com/m/97826
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:23:59 EDT (#)
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Creep_firebombing - http://stuff.ubersite.com/1169140003963215069/1/20060309210434-5539-0-L.jpg
Submitted by creep_firebombing (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:23:14 EDT (#)
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Needs more Jihad.
...and tits.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:22:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:19:55 EDT (#)
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Lets not forget that the washington post, the Los Angeles Times, and the Boston Globe did publish pictures of the piss christ.
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media sells. since when is it supposed to be rational?
i demand that we go back to the pre-9/11 era, when nobody gave a rat's ass about muslims whatever they did.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:21:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:14:40 EDT (#)
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Fatima Struggle = Fatima Jihdad
God Willing = Insh'allah
They censored those too.
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I don't think they censored those, the artist translated them this is his work that the post wouldn't carry.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:19:55 EDT (#)
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Lets not forget that the washington post, the Los Angeles Times, and the Boston Globe did publish pictures of the piss christ.
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:18:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Yozz (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:16:30 EDT (#)
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There are no heaven? Bummer.
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probably not, at least in the traditional sense. I think there's something though.
Even if not, oblivion is cool with me, since I wouldn't be conscious to experience it. It's like before you were conceived.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:17:37 EDT (#)
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i tried, but i'm not sure i care to be honest
Submitted by Yozz (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:16:30 EDT (#)
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There are no heaven? Bummer.
Submitted by TechnoRatty (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:15:39 EDT (#)
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Ah the world has gone mad due to political correctness, which is the practice of preventing people from calling other people names and telling funny jokes.
Submitted by Zampano (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:15:34 EDT (#)
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+2 Berkeley Breathed.
And what is this? I haven't paid too much attention to the Opus-canon since 'Bloom County.' I thought there was some storyline in which Steve Dallas was gay(?), and is Lola Granola showing up out of the blue, or has she made other cameo appearances since the 80s?
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:14:40 EDT (#)
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Fatima Struggle = Fatima Jihdad
God Willing = Insh'allah
They censored those too.
Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:13:53 EDT (#)
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The Post is full of a bunch of sycophantic pussies.
This is the kind of stuff everybody needs to see and I'm glad it is online in at least 2 or 3 places now.
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:13:37 EDT (#)
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haha, I must have missed that one. I love B.B.
Any attack on fundamentalism is appropriate in my opinion. Treading on eggshells around "those people" only serve to heighten a culture of fear. In any case, as Caulaincourt said:
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Chances that you will drink my blood:
0.000000000001%
Chances that you will spend your life marginalized, jobless, under the constant scrutiny of authorities, with a itchy beard, married to a smelly woman, hearing news of your relatives getting blown up, etc:
100%
Chances that you will fuck 72 virgins in Heaven:
0%*
*Statistic provided by the fact there are no heaven. And if there were, your dick is scattered around the market in which you blew yourself up.
( http://www.ubersite.com/m/97826 )
Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-08-28 13:13:22 EDT (#)
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I think it's pretty funny.
Especially the 'American Idol' line. Really I see no reason not to hold it from printing.