Our need for Welfare/SSI reform, or, "Why I Hate Poor People" (1332 hits)
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Submitted by Stephie<mourninglory.at.lycos.com> (View user info) at 2007-09-12 21:23:44 EDT
I just read a story in my formerly local paper (www.democratandchronicle.com) about how Monroe County is going to be in debt 15-22 million dollars more than last year, and then immediately following is a story about how the fucking YWCA is getting a fund for 50k to help get women off drugs and through teenage motherhood and whatnot. I say, FUCK THAT.
I'm so sick of having these heart-tugging commercials and campaigns about helping the less fortunate when the less fortunate have done it to themselves. Did your house burn down and you're left on the street? Please, come and I will personally help you. You spread your legs when you were 15 and now need welfare to take care of you and your kid? Give the kid up to foster care and kill yourself. Your husband beat you and you finally got out of it? I'm more than happy to pay for you to start a new life. Dropped out of school and now you're an alcoholic and a crackhead? Once again, go kill yourself, because you're draining money from the people who NEED it, not to mention you smell bad and your twitches annoy me.
Same with these social security fucks. Even a schizophrenic can be a doorstop, and the majority of (mild) schizophrenics and depressed people and the fucking people with irritable bowel syndrome can still do tasks and just need some direction. Get a job at McDonald's. Fuck you. Social security should be for people who are old and retired, or severely impaired, like mentally retarded or have missing limbs. The rest of you, fuck off, it's called willpower. Get over it and fucking contribute to society. 95% of the rest of the population does it, so stop draining my fucking paycheck. People can make do working at McDonalds and grocery stores and such, it's called managing your priorities. Get rid of the WIC checks and stop smoking and get a landline, instead of that $100 a month cell phone bill you have, so you can get your kid some fucking food. Too depressed to get out of bed? Kill yourself, because you're not worth anything else. I mean, come on. There are people who SERIOUSLY cannot support themselves and do need DSS/SS. I'm okay with that. Really. But then there are the plethora of people who rely on SS because they don't FEEL like doing anything and just want to lay around the house and there are many doctors who are willing to sign people off on shit because they want to get them the hell out of their office.
You may have gotten the email asking why we don't drug test people who are on Welfare. I absolutely agree with this. Why DON'T we? To work at WALMART and make $7/hour, you need to pass a drug test, so why are freeloaders getting Government assistance while they smoke pot, crack, whatever else and watch soaps all day, and the rest of us are passing drugs tests and working our asses off so we can have 20% MINIMUM taken out of our paychecks to support these people?
I hate these fucking people who insist on taking total advantage of the system. Welfare is a good program...FOR THOSE WHO WILL USE IT EFFECTIVELY (and temporarily). Not these people who insist on staying on it and popping out more kids so they can get even more money per month while they live off food stamps and buy a Lexus and let US pay for their kids health care and clothes and food and such!!!
Furthermore, these people that like to live in the ghetto and think it's so great that they smoke pot with their kids running around the house, or even better, crack, or drinking 40s, while they're unemployed and whining about WHATEVER disability that's "hinderin' them from workin'," they make me fucking sick. I work my ass off at work. I don't even like my job, but I still get overtime, and even if I only get 2 hours of sleep, I still get up the next day to do it again, and it's because I have to. Living in NV, I'm lucky because I at least don't have to pay state income taxes, but I still have a portion of my paycheck taken out, which isn't for fixing streets or lowering property tax or anything else, but to pay for food stamps, WIC, and Child Health Plus or Medicaid or whatever else. The city of Buffalo, NY, for example, is in economic ruin because of AN OVERABUNDANCE OF MEDICAID CLAIMS. In the meanwhile, my grandparents are on a small fixed income and paying thousands of dollars a month for their prescriptions.
While these freeloading bums wait for their welfare check.
SO...yes, I totally support urine testing for people who choose to live off government funds. I'd be REALLY interested in seeing how many people are booted off the system and forced to get a job to support their nine babies instead of me and you and you and you. Instead, the Government likes to arrest people who work hard and might dabble in a little extra-curricular fun in their downtime.
So what can be done about this? Can the little people actually make a change? Or is this just going to end up like every other bitchfest that has been going on for years?
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Submitted by MouRNIngLoRY (user info) at 2007-09-15 02:42:26 EDT (#)
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This is just a copy and paste of my retort to FT's post:
There are TWO TYPES of people who are on Government Assistance. Type A, let's call them, are on it out of necessity and are WORKING TO GET OFF IT. People like your friend Scott, or Kaos-King, or a few other who have mentioned people in their family (including my own mom) who used it and got help and MADE A PLAN AND AN EFFORT to get off of it and (in your own words) "is a normal member of society who pay taxes and helps others."
Type B people are the people who seem to think this country OWES THEM. They don't think they should have to work and the Government should just be giving them a check and food stamps and they can just stay addicted to drugs and lay around the house all day, etc. These, obviously, are the people my post was directed toward.
For your information, I didn't grow up in "Candyland", as you like to refer to it. I didn't grow up in the ghetto, but that's because I was lucky enough to have been raised in a family who had their shit together and did a good job in the working class raising me and my two siblings and we weren't poor. We had our struggles, just like every working class American had. My step mother, for example, took a paper route during Christmas one year so my parents could afford to give us a good Christmas while my dad started his computer business and was in danger of being one of the thousands of minions who was laid off from Kodak (which he eventually was). But THEY didn't pay for college, we all took out the loans, which we're all paying back now. They didn't buy me or my siblings cars, they didn't pay for whatever proms/balls we went to, they didn't pay for my brother's wedding or honeymoon (I, in fact, paid for half of his honeymoon), hell, they stopped buying us school clothes and supplies when we were old enough to work. My brother and I had after school paper routes when we were in seventh grade. They don't give us money now, except birthdays and Christmas and every once in a while will give us something if we do something impressive, like when I lost a hundred pounds and they sent me some money to buy some new clothes. I moved out when I was 19 and working two jobs. I don't have Daddy's credit card, I drive a piece of shit 91 Buick because I can afford the insurance on that and I'm trying to save up for a newer car and pay back my student loans.
I have NO PROBLEM with people who do drugs. NONE. Everyone's tried smoking pot, a little coke, a little ecstacy, acid, whatever. HAVE FUN. BUT...why should you be buying weed while you're collecting money from the Government? And why, if YOU'RE addicted to crack or whatever the fuck it is you're on, should *I* have to pay for your mistakes? EVERYONE has had some kind of event happen in their lives that could easily be an excuse for being addicted to something. Death of a parent, abusive relationship, child abuse, rape, horrible car accident, [insert traumatic event here], but not everyone is non-functional and addicted to whatever else and sponging off the Government. Look at your OWN situation, Tony. YOU were addicted to pain kilers. But did you lose your businesses and your house and your family and end up on Welfare because of your fuck up? No. Why? Because you wouldn't fucking let it. You worked DAMN HARD to have what you have, with your businesses, your lovely family, your perfect house, your pretty cars, and you weren't about to let it go to hell because you couldn't control yourself.
As for these poor girls that you seem so intent on defending, it's not my fault. So maybe the saying, "If you're not ready to raise a kid, you shouldn't be having sex" isn't applicable any longer. But how about doing it the safe way. Condom and birth control, anyone? If you can't fuck your high school boyfriend responsibly then it's not MY fucking problem, and I don't to have to pay for your mistake. You CANNOT try to tell me that every single teenage fucking pregnancy out there was the result of that what, .1% of noneffectiveness? It's from girls who get all wrapped up in "love" and bullshit. And what the hell does being adopted have to do with being sexually or physically abused? NOTHING. You can be abused by your own parents, your babysitter, your teacher, coach, neighbour, siblings, whether your adopted or not.
I know how hard it is to get out of an abusive relationship, I saw my mom, I've heard her tell her story. You've misinterpreted my statement, though. I'm saying that THAT'S WHAT WELFARE IS FOR. TO HELP PEOPLE IN SITUATIONS LIKE THAT.
As for the Schizo line, well, that was mostly farce anyway, but it didn't really fit the rest of my post, and by the end I was on a rampage and didn't bother to read my post to see how the flow worked. But that was mostly pointed toward people like my sister in law, who is perfectly functional on medication, or people who aren't mentally CRIPPLED, just a little handicapped.
As for willpower, we all have it. It's discipline. It's doing what YOU have to do to get what you want. You, you started two profitable businesses in spite of the fact that you have a grade school education. You COULD have just said, well, I didn't graduate high school, so I guess I'm just going to flip burgers and collect Welfare. No, YOU wanted better for yourself, so you fucking did it.
I have cerebral palsy. I could very easily get SSI/SSDI/Welfare and not work at all, and let the Government pay my rent and such. But I choose to work. I don't WANT to sit around and do nothing and let my body and mind atrophy. I'm smarter than that.
The rest of your post I've pretty much always addressed, so I'll spare you the redundancy, besides me saying ONCE AGAIN that this was NOT directed toward all people on Government assistance, only the people who take advantage of it.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2007-09-15 02:31:57 EDT (#)
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I`m pro-welfare...
...anti-government-welfare.
I say take the gov out of welfare. If people want to pay welfare let it be voluntary; through a charity (which could work as a tax write-off). If you want the recipients to be drug-tested then choose a charity that only pays out to people who agree to be tested.
Problem solved.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-14 20:17:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2007-09-13 19:02:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-13 02:21:32 EDT (#)
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I like the way you rationally defended and explained your position(s).
So I'm flip-floppin'. Sorry Jeannnneeeee.
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I could give a fuck, Rob. Everyone's entitled to his (or her) own opinion. I just thought this post was a hot mess and I strongly disagree with its central themes.
The author did do a nice job of defending her point, though. If the post were half as rational and well-thought-out as her explanations in the reviews, I would have given it a +2 and a bravo.
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Well of course you could, darling.
I was just bein' silly, cuz I loves ya.
Submitted by FatTony (user info) at 2007-09-14 19:21:18 EDT (#)
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Dan Akroid: "Stephie your miserable cunt!"
http://www.ubersite.com/m/111741
Submitted by AccidentalPerfidy (user info) at 2007-09-14 03:46:33 EDT (#)
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1. Scary photo
2. I laughed. Good hate.
3. I agree. I'm all for helping those who need it. I have one or two friends who DO need help. My sister works in psych nursing and she's made me abundantly aware of the sort of people who need help. And also the people who sponge off the system, who use their cheques to pay for their next hit of [insert drug of choice here] so that they can get all fucked up and wind up back in a psych ward.
4. I'm of the left leaning variety of the human animal.
5. Yes, things are worse in other countries. Go to China and see what the poor have to deal with. Fun fun fun. But I really object to freeloaders, people who don't bother to work because they're too fucking lazy and because the money is better being on welfare. Arseholes.
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2007-09-13 21:13:30 EDT (#)
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you are uninformed
Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-09-13 19:09:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2007-09-13 19:02:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-13 02:21:32 EDT (#)
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I like the way you rationally defended and explained your position(s).
So I'm flip-floppin'. Sorry Jeannnneeeee.
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I could give a fuck, Rob. Everyone's entitled to his (or her) own opinion. I just thought this post was a hot mess and I strongly disagree with its central themes.
The author did do a nice job of defending her point, though. If the post were half as rational and well-thought-out as her explanations in the reviews, I would have given it a +2 and a bravo.
Submitted by DangerPants (user info) at 2007-09-13 18:21:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by seanfogy (user info) at 2007-09-13 00:39:12 EDT (#)
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You must be retarded to think that the only people who use Medicaid don't pay taxes. Do you think that everyone who has a job can afford to pay for their own insurance?
Also, how the fuck could a single city be thrust into economic ruin because of Medicaid? It's a state managed, federally funded program?
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SuperGirlfriend worked for Texas Medicaid in the call center for a year before she and I met. Medicaid is NOT federally funded. Federally funded entities have to stick to a federal guideline. It's state funded, by state taxes such as property taxes and whatnot. There is often a different budget depending upon the need in each city that is being funded. It would be difficult, and would depend on alot of incredibly stupid city and state officials, but a single city could be driven to financial ruin due to the high need of Medicaid.
That is all. +2 to shake off the haters. I hear what you're saying.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2007-09-13 16:24:47 EDT (#)
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i like your camwhore
Submitted by Yaotzin (user info) at 2007-09-13 15:38:17 EDT (#)
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This struck a nerver for me.
I have a friend that just bought a 2007 Impala, who gets SSI.
The reason he gets SSI is because he has a learning disability, yet all the classes he is taking at community college, he gets A's.
It's a bullshit system when people who need SSI and welfare can't get it, but idiots who are too lazy to work can get free money every month.
Submitted by Lib (user info) at 2007-09-13 14:46:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-09-12 23:39:57 EDT (#)
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For the record, I would like to own a cotton farm with Mormon slaves.
Submitted by MouRNIngLoRY (user info) at 2007-09-13 13:01:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by mikethescottish (user info) at 2007-09-13 05:26:03 PDT (#)
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Simplistic and reactionary. The majority of your arguments are either unworkable or thinly disguised vitriol against the working class.
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Mike, I AM the working class. The WORKING class. I get up every morning, I put in my 8-10 hours a day, take my half hour lunch in the middle of my day. I get out, go to the market to get dinner, and go home and watch porn. I might make it to the gym at some point. Sure, I get to fuck around during the day and play on Uber and other non-work related websites instead of say "Welcome to McDonalds, how may I help you, please drive thru", but this doesn't mean that I'm stepping on the working class.
What I AM stepping on, instead, are the people who choose NOT to get up and go to work.
But I will agree, this was quite scattered. I did it while I was trying to keep the boss placated as well. That sounds dirty, and if my boss wasn't such a scary woman, I might like it.
Submitted by Maddog (user info) at 2007-09-13 12:31:19 EDT (#)
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I went to a call in the projects a while back where there were three generations of women living in their "gub-ment" subsidized property. "Grandma" was maybe 30, "mama" was 15 and "bay-bay" was an infant.
Grandma was taking her kid (mama) to Social Services to get her signed up for "disability" so she could get SSI, (and never have to worry about getting off the goverment teat). It seems all you need are two ailments, one physical, one mental. The popular choices are asthma and slow reader.
This was these peoples mission: to get free money and crank out more niglets while using their foodstamps to buy beer at 50 cents on the dollar from the corner store.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-09-13 11:33:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MouRNIngLoRY (user info) at 2007-09-12 23:09:32 EDT (#)
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Depression is a mental health issue, sure. However, what percentage of people who are on anti-depressants hold down a stable job? I know I do, and yes, I am on anti-depressants myself.
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if you just belittled depression you have no idea what it is. you're probably one of the millions of overmedicated americans that really just need a longer night's sleep and a better diet.
fucking doctors hand out zoloft like tictacs instead of prescribing a lifestyle change that would fix whatever is probably making you a little sad now and then.
Submitted by Brdn_Nkd (user info) at 2007-09-13 11:26:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-09-13 11:08:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2007-09-12 21:52:23 EDT (#)
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A LITTLE ignorant?
Die in a fire, you judgmental cow. You should pray that you, and/or your loved ones, never have to go through the shame of having to draw government assistance.
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Did you read it?
He came out and said welfare is a good thing for people who use it temporarily to get off their feet. People who live off it and plan on living off of it for the rest of their lives could all die in a fire as far as I am concerned.
Submitted by RyuFu (user info) at 2007-09-13 10:42:25 EDT (#)
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Much ranting, not much solutions. On the other hand, why would you be offering solutions to an internet community of people that are probably not on welfare?
Help should only be temporary.
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-09-13 10:30:19 EDT (#)
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The main problem with this is that your argument is horribly constructed. That, and we've heard it all a thousand times before.
Submitted by monkeyswithguns (user info) at 2007-09-13 10:22:45 EDT (#)
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I'm all for a systematic liquidation of the ghettos and trailer parks. SCHNELL!!!
Eugenics, forced sterilization, and forced abortions for all!
The future will belong to the Ubermensch!!!...........or something.
Submitted by Anansie (user info) at 2007-09-13 10:21:14 EDT (#)
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"YWCA:
Young Parents Support Services
As a teenager, being pregnant, or being the mother of a young child means accepting responsibility and making difficult decisions.
The YWCA Young Parents Support Services (YPSS) program helps pregnant and parenting teen girls succeed in life by encouraging them to complete their education, while learning how to manage the responsibilities of parenthood and making the right choices. We support them as they plan for tomorrow, while also stressing the delay of repeat pregnancies. YPSS is open to any pregnant or parenting girl 13 to 21 years of age.
Schoolage Parents Program (SPP)
Case managers work with girls who are enrolled in a Rochester City School District high school, individually, or in group sessions, to develop a plan that will positively affect their lives. Case managers also offer group and individual support, including home visits, or provide support at the hospital when they deliver.
The program also provides one-on-one support and after-school group sessions to help girls improve their independent living skills, problem-solving, goal setting, and follow-through abilities; and link them to available community resources. Group activities are also open to teen fathers. SPP offers social activities such as holiday parties, career fairs, health fairs, baby day, a mother/daughter social, and field trips.
C.O.N.E.C.T.S.
Young Parents Support Services is a partner with C.O.N.E.C.T.S., working together to prevent teen pregnancy. We provide case management to pregnant and parenting teen girls, ages 13 to 19, who are enrolled in a Rochester City School District high school. Participants also receive the same services as those provided by our Schoolage Parents Program.
Successful Futures for Youth (SFY)
We also provide case management and vocational counseling/job placement to teen mothers, ages 16 to 21 years, who are not enrolled in an educational program. The goal is to have participants earn a high school diploma or GED certificate and to obtain and retain employment. SFY is a program in partnership with Society for Protection and Care of Children (SPCC)."
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It looks like they are trying to keep them OFF welfare. I'd rather the government gave grants for programs like this, instead of just sending check after check to people who aren't even trying.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2007-09-13 09:45:50 EDT (#)
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With legalised prostitution all these problems would disapear. I think more people in America would be willing to pay for sex than anywhere else in the world.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2007-09-13 09:44:31 EDT (#)
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I, like all true socialists, despise poor people.
Submitted by wookie (user info) at 2007-09-13 09:41:03 EDT (#)
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If you really want to reform the welfare system, start by kicking all those clowns out in Colorado City (and elsewhere) in the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints off the dole. "Bleeding the beast" indeed.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2007-09-13 09:29:46 EDT (#)
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$7 an hour?! Thats ridiculous! Our minimum wage is over £5 which is like $10 an hour!
Submitted by lover101 (user info) at 2007-09-13 09:17:35 EDT (#)
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I do have to say that I agree with you.
My father has been fighting to get his disability for 4 years now and has been denied. He has mini strokes, seisures and has had 2 back surgeries. This disqualifies him for any type of work you can think of, yet I know a girl down the street who is on disability for depression. This type of thing really irritates me!
The drug testing thing would work but you would be punishing the innocent children of these crack whore's who are at home starving.
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2007-09-13 09:16:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2007-09-12 17:16:56 PDT (#)
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Seriously, there is no excuse for eating that.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2007-09-13 09:12:34 EDT (#)
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I love you.
Submitted by FALLEN (user info) at 2007-09-13 08:41:00 EDT (#)
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There is nothing wrong with helping people that actually need it, but it is way out of control.
I once had a tenant whose kid
(one of seven, by numerous dads, BTY)
got an ear infection that caused slight hearing loss in one ear.
Slight, as in cover one of your ears with the palm of your hand.
You hear that muffeled sound?
That kind of slight hearing damage.
She told me that she had to go and sign him up for SSID.
Disability?
Are you fucking kidding me? I've worked with several people that were stone deaf and attended college full time. What kind of message was she teaching this kid? to be a drain on society at eight years old?
Enjoy Nevada, Upstate NY sucks.
Submitted by mikethescottish (user info) at 2007-09-13 08:26:03 EDT (#)
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Simplistic and reactionary. The majority of your arguments are either unworkable or thinly disguised vitriol against the working class.
Poor show.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-09-13 08:25:39 EDT (#)
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Your fucking county could make up that 15 million (many times over) by slapping a 2 cent tax on unhealthy fast food. Like the 2 egg mcmuffins, hashbrowns, and coffee the size of Vermont you probably grab every morning.
Submitted by creep_firebombing (user info) at 2007-09-13 07:36:29 EDT (#)
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+1 because I agree, but this wasn't exactly spectacular reading.
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2007-09-13 07:16:01 EDT (#)
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pretty funny, actually.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2007-09-13 07:00:44 EDT (#)
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Honestly, nothing new here although I wil say I agree with most of your points.
I was unemployed for a while and got the State unemployment benefit. It wasn't 20% of what I made while I was working and in the 2.25 months I was receiving the checks I didn't get out nearly as much as I've put in over the years, but it was more than minimum wage and it covered the rent (fortunately the house I was bulding wasn't done yet). Thus it paid better to be at home looking for work than it would have running over to Wal-Mart. To your point, though - I actually did look for work. Interviewed. Got the job I have now. Used the time effectively. Like those who are receiving the benefit are supposed to.
People come by my office all the time looking for work. They'll open the door and ask if we're hiring. When the receptionist says that we are but that there are educational and licensing requirements, they always respond with something like, "Well, is there any cleaning or maintenance you need?" They want to work. You know who those people who come in looking for work are? Puerto Ricans, Cubans, and Mexicans. I have never seen an unemployed white or black person come through the door asking to work like that. Now the 'Gimme a Dolluh' people, the 'I'm pathetic and smelly; pay me' people, they're almost all white or black. Gawd I sound like Fat Tony. This reply went downhill awfully quickly. I'll shut up now.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-09-13 03:53:47 EDT (#)
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I didnt read this post.
Yet I read KK's reply as I can appreciate him and he's not a doofus.
1 - That picture terrifies me too. Next time mum wear a blouse.
2 - People are people, thats it at the end of the day.
3 - I have never recieved any money from the government, well except for my pay check and if tehy didnt pay me I would be well pissed.
4 - I'm am 30, no one believes me, I look 17. I gave up smoking weed every night 3 months ago but will do it on special occasions but I believe myself strong enough never to go back. It fucked my head in many ways.
5 - As a result of giving up I had to start smoking a few odd menthol ciggarettes, which was strange as I had never touched them before. If anyone could anaylse this I would appreciate it.
6 - I dont drink apart from wine with a meal and big nights out. Weird huh.
7 - I waste more money than anyone I know yet have never paid for sex, go me.
8 - "A man must be big enough to admit his mistakes, smart enough to profit from them, and strong enough to correct them."
Submitted by ChaosJester (user info) at 2007-09-13 03:47:19 EDT (#)
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Good hate and I agree with a fair amount of what you speak.
I've noticed a lot of knee-jerk angry responses from a lot of people. Sometimes, I think folks are too quick to judge/pigeon-hole others.
I especially liked it when people assumed that you were a racist/Republican because you dislike people that you consider to be freeloaders.
Still, while the system is far from perfect, I have seen places where the pendulum swings the complete and opposite way (i.e. poor people starving in the streets because no one cares enough to help them) and I much prefer it the American way.
The Earth is imperfect and people are inherently corruptable. There will always be assholes who abuse the system; the best we as a collective can work for is that most of the people using the system are the one's who truly need it.
By the way, I don't consider myself a Republican so much as an anti-Democrat.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-13 02:21:32 EDT (#)
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I like the way you rationally defended and explained your position(s).
So I'm flip-floppin'. Sorry Jeannnneeeee.
Submitted by Bohme (user info) at 2007-09-13 01:20:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-09-13 01:06:46 EDT (#)
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Hmmm...
1 - That picture terrifies me.
2 - I'm on SSDI for a whole bunch of mentally things. Not gonna bother repeating all that stuff here.
3 - Besides SSDI, the ONLY other assistance I receive is medical - mostly to pay for all my meds. I flat out refuse Gov housing, food stamps, ect. I make $693 a month, plus what lil' my brother kicks me for being a roommate. (about $300)
4 - I'm almost 30, and I haven't touched a non-presciption drug in almost a decade.
5 - Yes, I smoke. I smoke a LOT. I also smoke the absolute cheapest stuff available.
6 - I drink maybe twice a week. Depends. Social situation determines and I don't always pay.
7 - Time Warner phone/internet/cable package = $110. Besides that, I only have to pay rent, electricity and food. I have no cell phone, no credit cards, and a 13 year old car.
8 - I will never be "Cured." I do, however, have a plan. It's kinda longterm, but YES, I want to eventually be off SSDI.
Submitted by seanfogy (user info) at 2007-09-13 00:39:12 EDT (#)
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You must be retarded to think that the only people who use Medicaid don't pay taxes. Do you think that everyone who has a job can afford to pay for their own insurance?
Also, how the fuck could a single city be thrust into economic ruin because of Medicaid? It's a state managed, federally funded program?
Submitted by SgtHartman (user info) at 2007-09-13 00:33:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MouRNIngLoRY (user info) at 2007-09-13 00:24:21 EDT (#)
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Sorry about the previously unfinished responses, my keys are a bit touchy.
Anyway, that's how the system is supposed to work. Not buying lobster and smoking dope while the rest of us work to pay for your Welfare payments. Not using food stamps to buy cigarettes, but to use it if necessary to get yourself out of a situation and into a better life. And it pisses me off that people abuse the fuck out of it the way they do. Otherwise, why can't we ALL smoke pot and eat lobster and watch soaps all day, and not have to worry about paying our rent and such.
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When I was a kid there was a time that we were living on food stamps and welfare, my father was laid off from his job working construction, and my mother didn't work because she was raising my (at that time) 2 brothers and I. I know it was an embarassing time for the both of them, and needing help from the govt to feed us was a hit to their ego to be sure. But as MG said they were on it for a short time until things picked up, and then the assistance wasnt needed anymore. What MG is talking about are the people that believe they DESERVE to be given money, feel no shame in not supporting themselves, and would prefer to have their means of survival GIVEN to them by those citizens that work hard everyday. Those people that take advantage of the system, and arent using it for survival but more to live their lives on vacation make me sick as well! You cant tell me that if someone moved into your house during a tough time and was living off of you all the while never looking for a job or a way to better themselves you wouldnt be pissed. That is all. Preach MG I got your back.
Submitted by MouRNIngLoRY (user info) at 2007-09-13 00:24:21 EDT (#)
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Sorry about the previously unfinished responses, my keys are a bit touchy.
Anyway, that's how the system is supposed to work. Not buying lobster and smoking dope while the rest of us work to pay for your Welfare payments. Not using food stamps to buy cigarettes, but to use it if necessary to get yourself out of a situation and into a better life. And it pisses me off that people abuse the fuck out of it the way they do. Otherwise, why can't we ALL smoke pot and eat lobster and watch soaps all day, and not have to worry about paying our rent and such.
Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2007-09-13 00:23:56 EDT (#)
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I never said you changed your views on anything.
Submitted by MouRNIngLoRY (user info) at 2007-09-13 00:19:55 EDT (#)
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I'm sorry, Sacrilicious, HOW was I changing my view on teen pregnancy?
Granted, yes, maybe I was a bit too vague/obscure in my initial post. Like I said, I wasn't saying ALL people on Welfare or SSI are "bad" people. And no, you don't have to take my backpedal as my way to say, "OK, I was wrong and now I'm going to redeem myself so you all love me now."
When I was five, my mom was six months pregnant with my little sister. My dad was abusive (tried to kill her, actaully), and my mom finally got her head out of her ass, took me and left. We went and moved in with my grandpaents. My mom went on Welfare for a few months while she got herself a job and had my sister and we moved into an apartment. It took less than six months. And she got off. She didn't sit around and wait for the system to take care of us the rest of her life. She went to night school, finished her degree, and moved on with her life.
THIS IS HOW THE SYSTEM IS SUPPOSED TO WORK. N
Submitted by SgtHartman (user info) at 2007-09-13 00:19:19 EDT (#)
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Good rant! I live in a Monroe County too!
Submitted by MouRNIngLoRY (user info) at 2007-09-13 00:15:13 EDT (#)
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I'm sorry, Sacrilicious, HOW was I changing my view on teen pregnancy?
Granted, yes, maybe I was a bit too vague/obscure in my initial post. Like I said, I wasn't saying ALL people on Welfare or SSI are "bad" people. And no, you don't have to take my backpedal as my way to say, "OK, I was wrong and now I'm going to redeem myself so you all love me now."
When I was five, my mom was six months pregnant with my little sister.
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-09-13 00:04:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Constitution (user info) at 2007-09-12 21:38:52 EDT (#)
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You sound like a good Republican. And good Republicans usually make for bad human beings.
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I'm a "good" liberal, but this statement is just banal and a bit sad, really.
Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2007-09-12 23:56:40 EDT (#)
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So, you interpret my taking issue with that grossly exaggerated statement as my defending rampant teen pregnancy and welfare dependence? Nice jump you make there. I'm saying that you can hardly say 'that was not my intent at all' when you say such things to begin with. I'm noting that after you wrote something you're so obviously passionate about, you needed to backpedal in order to make yourself sound like you have an ounce of compassion. But now that we know that you didn't mean what you said the way you said it, we can move on, right?
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-09-12 23:39:57 EDT (#)
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For the record, I would like to own a cotton farm with Mormon slaves.
Submitted by MouRNIngLoRY (user info) at 2007-09-12 23:38:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2007-09-12 20:33:24 PDT (#)
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Oh my bad, now I see how I could have misinterpreted "Give the kid up to foster care and kill yourself."
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Yes Sacrilicious, because 15 year olds who DO have children, well, they're ready to take on that responsibility and have the financial means to RAISE A CHILD, even though they legally can't get a job, besides perhaps a paper route or in some states, can work four hours a day on a school day.
Who does end up taking care of them? Their parents, or WIC and Welfare.
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-09-12 23:38:30 EDT (#)
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"because, well, he's old, which is fine..."
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HEY THANKS!!!
Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2007-09-12 23:33:24 EDT (#)
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Oh my bad, now I see how I could have misinterpreted "Give the kid up to foster care and kill yourself."
Submitted by ilikesteak (user info) at 2007-09-12 23:30:50 EDT (#)
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See, you're a special brand of racist.
You're the "suburban pride" variety. You aren't overtly racist, but you've got the idea that you should own a cotton farm so deeply rooted in every fiber of your being, that you just can't help it. You don't want a cotton farm, but you like the idea of having one.
When you're called out on it, you become suddenly aware of the societal implications, and your mindset goes into a reactionary defensive state.
Submitted by ilikesteak (user info) at 2007-09-12 23:26:51 EDT (#)
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Don't try to backtrack and defend yourself. It'd work, but you're doing it really badly. Just adding fuel to the fire. I say you cut your losses and hide your shame. Pretend you never posted this, and deny that you ever did if you're questioned about it.
Submitted by MouRNIngLoRY (user info) at 2007-09-12 23:22:48 EDT (#)
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For the record, Jeanneee, white people drink 40s and smoke crack, too. So do hispanic people, black people, asian people, middle eastern people, men, women, fat, thin, old, and young.
And as for the dialect, I was more going for "uneducated".
Submitted by ilikesteak (user info) at 2007-09-12 23:19:56 EDT (#)
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Here's an idea. Buy a shotgun, and shoot everyone you don't approve of. Right in the face. No last words, no last requests, and since it's a headshot, no facial expression to haunt your dreams. Quick, painless, and effective.
Submitted by MouRNIngLoRY (user info) at 2007-09-12 23:09:32 EDT (#)
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Wow, I think my rant turned out to be too rambling and less to the point.
So let me go back.
The point of this wasn't to say that people on Welfare are bad people. I do think it's a good system, but it's horribly, horribly abused. A lot of people who are on it shoudln't be, along with SSI/SSD. For example, my best friend's mother was on SSD for depression. Her father is on it because, well, he's old, which is fine. Her mother, in my opinion at least, shouldn't have been on it. Get over it. We all get depressed. I'm sure a good amount of people who have read this either have been on antidepressants or know someone who has. Depression is a mental health issue, sure. However, what percentage of people who are on anti-depressants hold down a stable job? I know I do, and yes, I am on anti-depressants myself.
When my friend turned 18, SSI AND SSD started giving her a check every month for $700+ combined, because her parents were on SSI/SSD, and she was in high school and worked. And wat did she do with that money? Bought clothes, cigarettes, took people out, shit wasn't necessary at all, especially a sum that great. But she loved it, cuz she was 18 and had an extra $700 to blow on things.
My sister-in-law is mildly schizophrenicand severely bipolar, I believe. She's on medication. When she takes it, she's absolutely normal, she's going to college to get her Social Work degree (why the blind insist on leading the blind, I don't know). I don't know HOW she is when she doesn't take it because, well, she's never not taken it. So she could lead a completely normal/functional life, but she's on SSI as well, which pays for her apartment and school. Now, how many of you have had to work full time and go to school part time so you could pay your own rent and bills and tuition?
I used to work in a grocery store checking people out when I was in high school. It was back in the day before EBT cards, when they had paper stamps out of a book. It AMAZED me when they would come through my line with four live lobsters and rip out food stamps. Or the women who bought $.25 packs of gum in separate orders, and I would have to give them back $.75 in change, and they would do this fuve or six times until they had enough quarters to make me go back and get them a pack of cigarettes, and not even the CHEAP ones, but the most expensive ones. And they would do this without batting an eye, or being unapologietic.
THAT is what I wanted to portray in this post. Not that I think that all people on Government Assistance are scum, but it's being abused, and something needs to be done about it.
Oh, and I'm not right wing, I'm not a Republican, and Phallic_Cymballs, this was in no way racist, unless you wanted to interpret everyone that I was talking about as a minority. That was not my intent at all.
Submitted by Mort (user info) at 2007-09-12 23:06:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ilikesteak (user info) at 2007-09-12 22:59:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Mort (user info) at 2007-09-12 22:58:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2007-09-12 22:42:22 EDT (#)
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The part about smoking crack, drinking 40's, and the attempt at reproducing uneducated dialectal speech struck me as pretty racist too. You don't have to be the Grand Dragon of the Klan to connect the dots as to what the author is implying there.
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Poor white people do all that shit too, don't you guys watch cops? I saw some white crack whore last night hide some rock inside her snatch.
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I was at home watching cops on my 65 inch TV.
Submitted by ilikesteak (user info) at 2007-09-12 22:59:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Mort (user info) at 2007-09-12 22:58:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2007-09-12 22:42:22 EDT (#)
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The part about smoking crack, drinking 40's, and the attempt at reproducing uneducated dialectal speech struck me as pretty racist too. You don't have to be the Grand Dragon of the Klan to connect the dots as to what the author is implying there.
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Poor white people do all that shit too, don't you guys watch cops? I saw some white crack whore last night hide some rock inside her snatch.
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Where were you?
Submitted by Mort (user info) at 2007-09-12 22:58:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2007-09-12 22:42:22 EDT (#)
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The part about smoking crack, drinking 40's, and the attempt at reproducing uneducated dialectal speech struck me as pretty racist too. You don't have to be the Grand Dragon of the Klan to connect the dots as to what the author is implying there.
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Poor white people do all that shit too, don't you guys watch cops? I saw some white crack whore last night hide some rock inside her snatch.
Submitted by ilikesteak (user info) at 2007-09-12 22:52:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2007-09-12 22:42:22 EDT (#)
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The part about smoking crack, drinking 40's, and the attempt at reproducing uneducated dialectal speech struck me as pretty racist too. You don't have to be the Grand Dragon of the Klan to connect the dots as to what the author is implying there.
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Hey.
The term "author" is reserved for writers.
Get it right, jeanneneeeneeenenennneeeneeananeennaeeaneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
Submitted by Amontillado (user info) at 2007-09-12 22:49:59 EDT (#)
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I don't want a guy with voices in his head making my food. What if they told him to put poison in it? Or not to wash his hands because the water is evil or something?
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-09-12 22:46:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2007-09-12 22:42:22 EDT (#)
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The part about smoking crack, drinking 40's, and the attempt at reproducing uneducated dialectal speech struck me as pretty racist too. You don't have to be the Grand Dragon of the Klan to connect the dots as to what the author is implying there.
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Mormons?
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2007-09-12 22:42:22 EDT (#)
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The part about smoking crack, drinking 40's, and the attempt at reproducing uneducated dialectal speech struck me as pretty racist too. You don't have to be the Grand Dragon of the Klan to connect the dots as to what the author is implying there.
Submitted by McNickleSteinBerg (user info) at 2007-09-12 22:38:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2007-09-12 21:26:51 EDT (#)
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This was too racist for me to finish.
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the author never mentioned anything about a particular race. So what exactly are you suggesting? Oh right, you're perpetuating the stereotype that a majority of the people in one(or more) races are bottom feeders. Nice assumption pal, you made yourself out to be the racist.
Submitted by McNickleSteinBerg (user info) at 2007-09-12 22:30:31 EDT (#)
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I'm more leftist than a left handed transsexual faggot. But I agree, if you're getting some of my tax dollars, you better be walking a straight line. I'm not down with paying for your nickelbag.
After Katrina, many of the homeless came to Massachusetts. All the families recieved 5000 dollars to get back on their feet. Later on the week, they were shown blowing their money on strip joints and booze. It's called having some fucking sensibility.
Submitted by Mort (user info) at 2007-09-12 22:25:48 EDT (#)
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Not terribly well written, but the ideas were kind of funny. "Too depressed to get out of bed? Kill yourself, because you're not worth anything else." made me chuckle.
Submitted by ilikesteak (user info) at 2007-09-12 22:22:34 EDT (#)
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You'd like my plan for forced darwinism. It involves the tactical elimination of these people.
Join the steak cult, and when the takeover begins, you'll be one shot to the head away from happyness.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2007-09-12 22:21:46 EDT (#)
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One is never too old to learn a new slang word for vagina.
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-09-12 22:17:54 EDT (#)
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Good to know, Jeanneee. It's my word, too, now.
Rob, this filth needs to remain on the front page for a while.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-12 22:14:56 EDT (#)
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oop... If Jeannneeeeee says this is a lot ignorant I need to adjust.
Sorry, rules is rules.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2007-09-12 22:13:28 EDT (#)
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I like to say "cootois" (pronounced koo-twah), because it's French, and therefore way classier.
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-09-12 22:10:18 EDT (#)
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I work with a punk-rock girl who cracks up every time I refer to female genitalia as a "cooter."
Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2007-09-12 22:05:26 EDT (#)
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i hope your cooter gets nailed shut and then super-glued
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-09-12 22:02:09 EDT (#)
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Oh, and, die in a fire...or something like that.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2007-09-12 21:56:05 EDT (#)
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Oh, and just for the record - drug testing would only add to the financial strain on municipal and state governments. Do you have any idea how expensive urinalysis tests are, not to mention the extra layers of bureaucracy that would have to be set up to administrate them? Grow up.
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-09-12 21:52:56 EDT (#)
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I keep a radio in my bathroom, and sometimes when I go take a shit, I'll turn the dial to the right-wing radio station...for grins, as I find right-wing radio fascinating, in a macabre kind of way.
Shits and grins, as it were.
This rant put me back in that place. Taking a shit. Whether it's Michael Savage, Limbaugh, O'Hannity, or O'Reilly, I have to take a shit every time I hear them. Something about Pavlov and his dogs.
I have to take a shit now.
And I'd just as soon have people with irritable bowel syndrome not working at McDonald's thank you.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2007-09-12 21:52:23 EDT (#)
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A LITTLE ignorant?
Die in a fire, you judgmental cow. You should pray that you, and/or your loved ones, never have to go through the shame of having to draw government assistance.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-12 21:38:55 EDT (#)
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Less Bile, more solutions.
Good rant, if a little ignorant.
Submitted by Constitution (user info) at 2007-09-12 21:38:52 EDT (#)
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You sound like a good Republican. And good Republicans usually make for bad human beings.
Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2007-09-12 21:37:10 EDT (#)
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Ann Coulter?
Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2007-09-12 21:26:51 EDT (#)
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This was too racist for me to finish.