Smoker Angst... (1705 hits)
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Submitted by CrazyHatLady (View user info) at 2007-09-18 01:34:01 EDT
So earlier this week I was standing outside the hotel having a cigarette. The laws in Kansas are such that I have to stand 25 feet from the door, march in line and hope the Nicotine internment camps are good to redheaded chicks who smell like a cross between laundry softener and a bar. Anyhow, at this hotel they had one of the tall "sippy-cup for cigarette butts" sort of containers set up in the middle of the side walk. Thus, I stood next it.
Various folks walk by, checking in and carrying luggage...you know the fare. I continue my stance near to the sippy-cip, stepping aside as people walk by to avoid puffing in their faces. I see a nice family in the distance unloading their suitcases. The night air brushes through the ill placed shrubbery nipping at my heels, but I don't mind. I'm smoking!
Then out of nowhere...
SHAZAM!
The bitch attack begins.
The woman with the "nice family" walks past me and in a senseless guesture of fascist, pro-bush, I hate women who are under the age of 40, I'm beginning menopause and will eat your soul, she coughs in my face. THE BITCH COUGHED IN MY FUCKING FACE.
Then, to make sure it was ON, she turned to her son and goes, "Ugh...that is really offensive."
I'M OFFENSIVE?!?!!?!
Of course you'd think at this time I would be so distracted by her rudeness that I wouldn't have the time to strike back. You'd think that...but you would be wrong. I am a woman and thus, I have a unique talent for attacking other women on cue. But I digress.
So anyhow, bitchface and her dumpling family hobble toward the door. Her husband reaches for the handle, and just as she lifts her foot to enter I yell:
"NICE CANADIAN TUXEDO."
She turns around....
"What did you say?"
I could have backed down at this point. A reasonable person who wasn't looking for a Holiday Inn Parking Lot fight would have backed down at this point. But I couldn't. I was fighting for every smoker in the whole state who had been drawn and quartered by the new second hand smoking laws. I refused to be a second class citizen. I began to think of myself like Rosa Parks...NO I WILL NOT MOVE TO THE BACK OF THE BUS!...or rather...I WILL SMOKE HERE...I CLAIM THIS....IN THE NAME OF...PHILLIP MORRIS!
The injustice of the situation burned at my breast.
"I'm sorry...but you are offending my eyes."
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Submitted by pandora (user info) at 2007-09-22 20:34:18 EDT (#)
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The woman who coughed in your face is really setting a great example for her kid.
I don't smoke cigarettes, and I understand the "no smoking in public spaces" thing, but I get nervous when they start creating rules for no good reason. Banning smoking outdoors, especially in places like L.A., is ridiculous. I mean, if you live here, obviously your lungs (and your kids')are not your #1 priority. The only excuse they can give for banning smoking outdoors is that people litter with the butts. Following that logic, they should also ban eating and drinking outdoors.
Submitted by Tom_Tom (user info) at 2007-09-21 23:03:13 EDT (#)
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You can't really smoke in too many places where I live, If you have kids, it's illegal in the car and house, not sure to which extent of age though, that's beside the no indoor smokin everywhere, I don't smoke
Submitted by UTOCKIN2ME (user info) at 2007-09-21 21:54:46 EDT (#)
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I don't smoke....anymore....well, not tobacco anyway. But if some asshole ever "hacked" intentionally in my face -it would be spitting out chunks of my knuckles for a week.
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-09-21 21:05:48 EDT (#)
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I go to the woods for three days and this is still going on?
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2007-09-21 20:55:50 EDT (#)
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I had to fucking Google "Canadian Tuxedo" only to find out that I have, on occasion, worn one.
Ooooooo! I've committed a horrid faux paus wearing jeans with a jeans jacket together.
Eat me.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-09-21 14:19:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DaBeast (user info) at 2007-09-20 14:25:29 EDT (#)
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You're waiting on "facts"? Then it's obvious that you've not been reading. The government is using a FAKED EPA Study to crack down on smoking. The fact is that there is NO PROOF that second-hand smoke causes anything, even your wussy nausea.
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yes that would the same type of thinking used when women were told they're just imagining cramps.
second hand smoke does make some people nauseated. it's a lotto as to whether or not you have the genetic marker that will trigger lung cancer if you're exposed to it. you shouldn't be so willing to put other people's lives at risk just for something that could kill you too. because it is something that is shared whether or not someone else wants it to be, it should be regulated. alcohol and even most illegal drugs physiologically only affect the user (pregnancy and intoxication induced actions aside), not anyone and everyone who's standing within 20 feet of them.
plus what rob berg said.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-21 14:02:41 EDT (#)
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had potential then led nowhere
Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2007-09-20 04:49:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-20 08:14:57 BST (#)
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Submitted by DaBeast (user info) at 2007-09-20 00:10:55 EDT (#)
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Hate ya break it to ya peaches: smoking is highly regulated and is only becoming more so.
Comparing Prohibition to the progressive movement to regulate and restrict the smoking of cigarettes in public places is just plain silly. Thing is: society has spoken my uppity little friend... and your "rights" are being limited every year. The window of influence you have is being closed and the non-smoking MAJORITY of us will eventually get our way.
The law and more importantly law enforcement is on our side.
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Doesn't that kind of concern you? The fact that fucking LAWS are being written to regulate what we do to our bodies? This is becoming less about the health of others and more like controlling the population. What's next? Compulsory exercise? FATTIES BEWARE, YOU CUNTS ARE NEXT!
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Not in the least... these particular laws are being passed because of what is being done to other people's bodies. Idiots like DaBeast can argue that there is no 'proof' that inhaling other people's toxic smoke isn't bad for you - but that's just stupid. HOW bad it is for you is irrelevant. It's preventable and society has decided to reduce it's convenience and availability.
That makes me happy.
It is, perhaps, a bit of both health AND controlling the population - but that is what society does by necessity. Personal liberties and freedoms are restricted all the time in order to improve what society feels is detrimental to the population's relative happiness, safety and enjoyment of life.
Regulations are made on emissions for cars, factories have strict 'pollution' levels that they must operate within (Those need to be WAY fucking lower, mind you - but still...), and if you really stop and think about it - we really aren't as free as we would like: we can't drive as fast as we want, we can't cross the road whenever we feel like it, we can't throw our garbage out the window of the car, we can't rape and/or pillage (unless they have lots of oil), - heck - there are LOTS of things we are restricted from doing... and we just shuffle forward - ultimately benefitting from the collective 'wisdom' that our many mistakes tend to provide.
And to be honest - compulsory exercise might not be such a bad idea... have you walked the streets in small-town USA lately?
Submitted by jared.melton (user info) at 2007-09-21 02:42:40 EDT (#)
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Err...tuxedo.
Submitted by jared.melton (user info) at 2007-09-21 02:41:57 EDT (#)
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+2 for sticking it to assholes
-2 for using a retarded insult like "Nice Canadian suit"
Submitted by FartSmeller (user info) at 2007-09-21 00:18:11 EDT (#)
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i'm torn. you started your post with the word "so", which sort of has the ring of inbreeding to it. and you ranted on an overused topic. But, I'm also a smoker and I like that you insulted a stranger. Here's a zero.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-20 23:27:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DaBeast (user info) at 2007-09-20 14:25:29 EDT (#)
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You're waiting on "facts"? Then it's obvious that you've not been reading. The government is using a FAKED EPA Study to crack down on smoking. The fact is that there is NO PROOF that second-hand smoke causes anything, even your wussy nausea. Are you sure you aren't just premenstrual? Maybe you're preggers. That would explain your ego-inflated attitude and your self-righteous zeal, wanting the rest of the world to live by your views of what's right and what's not. Why don't you just pop another pill and go back to slinging your legs in the air for gas money, because that would certainly be a more useful application of your time, spreading syphillus to the world's homeless population. Admit it, you're a chick and you think it's all gotta be your way. I hate to break it to you, Slutto, but that ain't the way the world works. Once the word is spread (much like your legs) to the world at large and realization kicks in, there's gonna be a lot more smokers refusing to cow-tow to a government that claims to be democratic when in actuality it's looking a lot more like old-time Russia all the time. Illegal wire-tapping, money under the table, and faked studies.
But you keep sitting there, all smug and happy while that wino goes down on your crabby bush, chick. The rest of us will be busy upsetting the apple cart and standing up for the rights that we will refuse to have taken away.
Yeah you gotta be a chick cause you are such a tool.
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Lets see, as far as 'facts' go, that was relative to this comment : http://www.ubersite.com/m/111794#2528595
Talking at retards like you is fun... for a spell. The way you get all worked up and frothy is painfully amusing in the beginning but it just degenerates into mindless name calling. I mean do you really think calling me a 'girl' hurts my feelings? I wonder how the author of this post feels about your 'tool' theory. Misogyny is lame.
I don't like smoking. Most people don't... your little display here only proves yer an ignorant jackass. You obviously haven't read where I say I don't give a fuck what you do... and I have many friends who DO smoke. You just felt the urge to get all uppity - and wax poetic about my legs being in the air.
Which is creepy.
Truth is: you stink, you're stupid and for strike 3: yer a belligerent asshole. I'd be willing to bet you lead a pretty miserable, unhappy life... and that makes this smug happy 'chick' smile.
Submitted by aldenso (user info) at 2007-09-20 14:34:53 EDT (#)
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what a piece of shit
Submitted by DaBeast (user info) at 2007-09-20 14:28:13 EDT (#)
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CrazyHatLady, you're my kind of woman. My hat's always off to you and I shall tip up the next shot of moonshine in your direction as well as my lighter when I start my next stogey. Chin up, darlin'. Someday they'll put birth control in the water supply and mindless zombie media-chewing fucks like the premenstrual rob_berg will be a thing of the past. Cheers, lady!
Submitted by DaBeast (user info) at 2007-09-20 14:25:29 EDT (#)
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You're waiting on "facts"? Then it's obvious that you've not been reading. The government is using a FAKED EPA Study to crack down on smoking. The fact is that there is NO PROOF that second-hand smoke causes anything, even your wussy nausea. Are you sure you aren't just premenstrual? Maybe you're preggers. That would explain your ego-inflated attitude and your self-righteous zeal, wanting the rest of the world to live by your views of what's right and what's not. Why don't you just pop another pill and go back to slinging your legs in the air for gas money, because that would certainly be a more useful application of your time, spreading syphillus to the world's homeless population. Admit it, you're a chick and you think it's all gotta be your way. I hate to break it to you, Slutto, but that ain't the way the world works. Once the word is spread (much like your legs) to the world at large and realization kicks in, there's gonna be a lot more smokers refusing to cow-tow to a government that claims to be democratic when in actuality it's looking a lot more like old-time Russia all the time. Illegal wire-tapping, money under the table, and faked studies.
But you keep sitting there, all smug and happy while that wino goes down on your crabby bush, chick. The rest of us will be busy upsetting the apple cart and standing up for the rights that we will refuse to have taken away.
Yeah you gotta be a chick cause you are such a tool.
Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2007-09-20 13:05:02 EDT (#)
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You can't spell ridiculous, and you called yourself an INTELLECTUAL?
Submitted by Zoidberg (user info) at 2007-09-20 12:37:13 EDT (#)
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had potential then led nowhere
Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2007-09-20 04:49:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-20 08:14:57 BST (#)
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Submitted by DaBeast (user info) at 2007-09-20 00:10:55 EDT (#)
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Hate ya break it to ya peaches: smoking is highly regulated and is only becoming more so.
Comparing Prohibition to the progressive movement to regulate and restrict the smoking of cigarettes in public places is just plain silly. Thing is: society has spoken my uppity little friend... and your "rights" are being limited every year. The window of influence you have is being closed and the non-smoking MAJORITY of us will eventually get our way.
The law and more importantly law enforcement is on our side.
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Doesn't that kind of concern you? The fact that fucking LAWS are being written to regulate what we do to our bodies? This is becoming less about the health of others and more like controlling the population. What's next? Compulsory exercise? FATTIES BEWARE, YOU CUNTS ARE NEXT!
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-20 03:41:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DangerPants (user info) at 2007-09-20 00:47:39 EDT (#)
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Holy shit, DaBeast... You're my new best Uberfriend.
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Oh hey... when yer finished sucking on his ass - I'm still waiting for some "facts".
No rush.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-20 03:14:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DaBeast (user info) at 2007-09-20 00:10:55 EDT (#)
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Hate ya break it to ya peaches: smoking is highly regulated and is only becoming more so.
Comparing Prohibition to the progressive movement to regulate and restrict the smoking of cigarettes in public places is just plain silly. Thing is: society has spoken my uppity little friend... and your "rights" are being limited every year. The window of influence you have is being closed and the non-smoking MAJORITY of us will eventually get our way.
The law and more importantly law enforcement is on our side.
See, you can bluster and 'huff and puff' all you want... at the end of the day if you feel the urge to light up a smoke you WILL be banished to rot in your fully furnished double wide in a matter of years.
Suck on that.
Submitted by CrazyHatLady (user info) at 2007-09-20 02:00:25 EDT (#)
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DaBeast, I'm so glad we understand each other. But...of course we do. Smokers tend to be more intellectual and better conversation than those of the cough-in-your-face variety.
Submitted by Spuds002 (user info) at 2007-09-20 01:36:06 EDT (#)
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strike 1.... digress
strike 2.... canadian tux
Fuck off
Submitted by DangerPants (user info) at 2007-09-20 00:47:39 EDT (#)
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Holy shit, DaBeast... You're my new best Uberfriend.
Submitted by DaBeast (user info) at 2007-09-20 00:10:55 EDT (#)
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rob_berg writes:
um... no.
You should stop smoking because YOU feel like it - simple as that.
See, entitled pricks like yourself who barf out that particular brand of 'logic' don't listen to people anyway. "OTHER PEOPLE GONE AND DONE IT SO FUCK YOU!"
Idiot.
I can tell you enjoy being 'that guy'. Good on ya, I'm sure your pecker is very large.
Either way, enjoy it while you can 'society' will eventually make it so uncomfortable, inconvenient, and ridiculously expensive for you and your ilk to continue you won't have much of a choice. Soon enough you will be heavily fined for indulging in that repulsive activity anywhere it might affect 'other people'.
I will take a certain smug satisfaction in that.
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I'm sure you would. People like you were pro-Prohibition back in the day and look where it got you - thousands of dead people on bathtub gin, a thriving criminal element that were more than willing to supply illegal hootch at black market prices, and so many cops chasing down the hootch makers that they didn't have any left to look for the murderers and the pedophiles and the other assorted criminal social trash. I'm sure you'd enjoy the booming crime rate that would make your suburbia into a nice little nest of iniquity. Well you wouldn't but see, you don't have enough foresight or mental capability to see that when you make something that a LOT of people enjoy into something that's illegal, all you do is create a wonderful black market demand and a lotta criminals - when you legislate Personal Behaviour, not only are you wrong but you get people killed, but you don't care as long as you don't have to smell it. But you don't get it, yet, do you? See, alcohol ain't illegal anymore. It's more prevalent than tampon commercials on the Lifetime Channel. Make cigarettes illegal and I don't think that law will stand as long as Prohibition did. You think alkies get mean without their booze? You ain't seen a premenstral Peg Bundy without her smokes. Not pretty. Dude, you're the biggest pansy pussy whiner I've ever seen on Uber, and that's really saying something about a site that fetes people like schlongy. Bravo, Pussywimp! I hope you're still patting yourself on the back when your kids get 5-10 for buying illegal cigarettes so they can look cool for their risque little suburban clique.
If they make it illegal, I'll grow it myself. I'm a Southern redneck male and if it can be grown, harvested, processed, dried, and made into some sort of marketable substance, then I already know how to do it. AND EVERY SOUTHERN MALE WITH AN OUNCE OF CONFEDERATE PRIDE WILL HELP ME. But no, Mike Brady, you don't get that. The only time you do any male bonding is when you're petting your son's ass after some sissy sporting event and hoping that nobody notices you get wood from it.
You ain't the only person with rights, assclown.
Keep being smug. Cause you're also wrong. Even if it's illegal, it'll still be done. As an American, it is my Freedom to do whatever the fuck I want to with my body and you can whine all you like and it won't make a damned bit of difference.
I'll be sure to light a nice stogey over your grave and blow much smoke your way. Toodles, you narrow-minded, Freedom-stealing, hypocritical, Brady clone. And if you ever come near my daughters, I'll shoot first, shoot some more, and then maybe I'll ask someone to shovel your remains the hell off my property.
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St_jimmy writes:
If it really bothers you that people are dicks to you because you smoke, then just stop smoking. Otherwise, skate it off. Either way, I can assure you that simply being rude back will make no difference whatsoever.
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Actually, it makes a helluva difference. It makes smokers everywhere proud of her for standing up and telling that tight-lipped, loose-assed cow exactly what she could do with her simplistic and unnecessary drivel.
My hat's off to you, CrazyHatLady. I, personally, am much obliged.
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Submitted by St_Jimmy (user info) at 2007-09-19 21:13:21 EDT (#)
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"CANADIAN TUXEDO" made me smile. I had not heard that expression before.
As for smoking, the arguement is a bit tired.
Yes she was rude, but you were engaging in an act that, for right or wrong, society has chosen to look down upon.
Whenever you willfully engage in an act that you know society, as a whole, does not approve of, you have to expect some consequences (rude treatment, being forced outside, taxed, etc.)
If it really bothers you that people are dicks to you because you smoke, then just stop smoking. Otherwise, skate it off. Either way, I can assure you that simply being rude back will make no difference whatsoever.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-19 17:56:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DaBeast (user info) at 2007-09-19 17:10:37 EDT (#)
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So I should stop smoking because you don't like it. Your views are what matter on this mudball and mine - because I SMOKE JUST LIKE BEN FRANKLIN, THOMAS JEFFERSON, AND GEORGE MUTHERFUCKING WASHINGTON DID - don't count for shit? Is that it?
Dude, you smoke alright. Lots and LOTS of pole.
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um... no.
You should stop smoking because YOU feel like it - simple as that.
See, entitled pricks like yourself who barf out that particular brand of 'logic' don't listen to people anyway. "OTHER PEOPLE GONE AND DONE IT SO FUCK YOU!"
Idiot.
I can tell you enjoy being 'that guy'. Good on ya, I'm sure your pecker is very large.
Either way, enjoy it while you can 'society' will eventually make it so uncomfortable, inconvenient, and ridiculously expensive for you and your ilk to continue you won't have much of a choice. Soon enough you will be heavily fined for indulging in that repulsive activity anywhere it might affect 'other people'.
I will take a certain smug satisfaction in that.
Submitted by DaBeast (user info) at 2007-09-19 17:10:37 EDT (#)
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So I should stop smoking because you don't like it. Your views are what matter on this mudball and mine - because I SMOKE JUST LIKE BEN FRANKLIN, THOMAS JEFFERSON, AND GEORGE MUTHERFUCKING WASHINGTON DID - don't count for shit? Is that it?
Dude, you smoke alright. Lots and LOTS of pole.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-19 15:57:49 EDT (#)
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*lack of taste...
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-19 15:45:27 EDT (#)
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Second hand smoke is bad for you. The fact people need some sort of study to "conclusively" or "definitively" tie it to something like cancer is just pathetic. You are inhaling toxic SMOKE.
It sure as fuck isn't good for you... what with the chronic phlegm loosening cough, the of taste, reduced endurance, etc.
Look, as I said - I don't give a fuck if people want to smoke - just so long as it doesn't affect me. Walking through a cloud of second hand smoke is gross... it stinks. So even if my health isn't immediately being affected - the enjoyment of my immediate environment certainly is. Not to mention the fact that second hand smoke gives me a fucking headache. The acrid smell of my friends/co-workers after they come back from their regular smoke breaks makes me want to hurl.
Mind you I also think people who wear too much perfume should receive some sort of beating as well.
Submitted by DaBeast (user info) at 2007-09-19 14:58:40 EDT (#)
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Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 1, Episode 5 - "Second Hand Smoke"
http://www.sho.com/site/ptbs/prevepisodes.do?episodeid=s1/shs
This is for all of you assholes that either don't watch this fine series, are too cheap to get Showtime, or are so gullible that you believe everything the government and agenda-laden asshats tell you to believe. READ SCUMFUCKS!
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Doctor Elizabeth Whelan, President of the American Council on Science and Health: "There are those who maintain that second-hand smoke is a major cause of cancer, of heart disease, of many underlying, chronic conditions and the evidence on that is extremely scanty."
Bob Levy, Senior Fellow in Constitutional Studies at the CATO Institute: "The science regarding the link between second-hand smoke and tobacco caused harm is tenuous at best. The study that gets the most publicity is a study by the Environmental Protection Agency that was released in 1993 and that study was the catalyst that opened the doors for lots of places to initiate bans on indoor smoking."
The EPA Study was a media bombshell and its conclusion (that second-hand smoke causes 3,000 deaths in the United States annually) quickly became the rallying cry of anti-smoking activists everywhere.
But in 1998 (The United States Federal Court Decision by Judge Osteen in the United States District Court for the middle district of North Carolina Winston-Salem Division, July 17, 1998), a Federal Court lambasted the EPA for the study, saying that it demonstrated NO LINK between second-hand smoke and cancer (direct quotes: "EPA's procedural failure constitutes a violation of the law", "EPA 'cherry-picked' its data", "EPA deviated from accepted scientific procedure... to ensure a pre-ordained outcome") and, worse, that the EPA had intentionally ignored data that contradicted their predetermined conclusion. THE EPA FAKED IT!
A 1998 study by the World Health Organization ("Multicenter Case-Control Study of Exposure to Environmental Tobacco Smoke and Lung Cancer in Europe") is also cited by anti-smoking activists. This study was heralded in a press release (Press Release WHO/29 March 9, 1998 "Passive Smoking Does Cause Lung Cancer, Do Not Let Them Fool You") but, press release aside, the ACTUAL report had a completely different conclusion. Direct Quote Conclusion: "Our results indicate NO association between childhood exposure to ETS (ETS = environmental tobacco smoke) and lung cancer risk. We did find WEAK evidence of a dose-response relationship between risk of lung cancer and exposure to spousal and workplace ETS. There was NO detectable risk after cessation of exposure." But, the conclusion was that for adults, the effects of ETS was NOT statistically significant.
Anti-smoking activists like to point out that The American Lung Association, The American Cancer Society, the Public Health Service, and The American Heart Association all claim that second-hand smoke is harmful. But these organizations ALL base that assumption off the the EPA study that ignored all of the data that contradicted its own predetermined conclusion - the Faked Study - that was thrown out by a Federal Court. And it gets worse. They've upped the numbers from the original 3k people dying per year to over 50,000 but NOT based on any actual evidence! They "pad" their numbers. If you live with someone that smoked and you die in a car accident, then your death gets added to the statistic. Doesn't matter if smoking contributed to the auto accident that killed you, what matters to the government is that you lived with someone that smoked so they can pad their numbers to up their statistic and scare the populace!
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Many thanks to Penn Gillette and Teller, to Showtime, and to the EPA for exploiting a gullible populace in order to garner more government money so they can continue to write fake reports to support their own fat asses and push forward their own agenda.
Also thanks to the anti-smoking asshats that I love to blow smoke at all the live long day.
You don't like me smoking? Fine. Get THE FUCK OUTTA HERE!
Submitted by DirtyHarry (user info) at 2007-09-19 10:01:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-09-19 04:47:11 EDT (#)
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THE END.
Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2007-09-19 04:32:01 EDT (#)
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The arguments on this post are ultimately pointless. I've read a few of them and they're all fucking shit.
At the end of the day, smoking is a choice. If you want to do it, fine. If you don't, that's cool too (just don't complain about those who do, particularly if they are courteous with the direction of their smoke). Saying that it should be banned in ALL public places is bordering on fascism. The amount of clear air > the amount of cigarette smoke in it. Oh shit, that's not true, because it's full of millions of other kinds of toxins from cars, dust from building sites, pollution from chemical plants.
Seriously, grow the fuck up you wingeing pussies. I'm all for banning indoor smoking in public places (bars, restaurants, offices etc) and am glad that many countries have. However, saying you can't light up in the street is just ridiculous. If the 'harmful to other people' argument is used, then ban fucking cars from public.
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-09-18 22:30:51 EDT (#)
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I leave people alone. Leave me alone. I'll try not to let the smoke waft over to your virgin lungs. Really, I will. Good luck with the whole living forever thing.
Submitted by CrazyHatLady (user info) at 2007-09-18 21:21:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by i_can_get_you_a_toe (user info) at 2007-09-18 16:00:28 CDT (#)
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maybe she was one of them 'dreaded ex-smokers' the worst of the anti-smoking brigade.
I HEART SMOKING!!!
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Asshat former smokers.
Additionally..."what the fuck!?!" to everyone who is talking shit on smoking. Smokers don't talk shit on you for fucking your cousin. And that does hurt everyone. You're fucking up our genetic pool.
And the argument of Smoking kills nonsmokers...hmm... I don't know why but I feel like one stroll past a smoker in front of a Holiday Inn (mind you I was not smoking in my room. I never do.) isn't going to destroy your lungs. Seriously.
Lastly...fuck your children. They disturb peace in public all the damn time. Wiping candy on door knobs and crashing into my basket at the grocery store. They cry, they scream, they blow their noses on items I would have liked to purchase. A cigarette or two might be good for them.
That is all.
Submitted by CrazyHatLady (user info) at 2007-09-18 21:12:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2007-09-18 11:59:23 CDT (#)
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Pro Smoking. You go, girl.
Speaking of smoking, any interest in smoking my pole?
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hmmmm ;)
Submitted by CrazyHatLady (user info) at 2007-09-18 21:11:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by NapalmFace (user info) at 2007-09-18 07:38:13 EDT (#)
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fact: smoking destroys weaker cells, leaving the stronger ones to multiply (obviously, it kills the good'uns aswell, but thats a price we smokers have to pay for possibly being the next superhero)
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Superheroes you say....I like this Napalm guy! :)
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2007-09-18 20:07:43 EDT (#)
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Wicked burn.
Hahahaha, get it? BURN? Like a cigarette? God DAMN it I'm funny.
I smoke one cigarette per day, and I enjoy it. It helps take the edge off my commute-induced road rage.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-09-18 19:46:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DangerPants (user info) at 2007-09-18 15:48:59 EDT (#)
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Shows how much you know, rob_berg. Also shows that you're sanctimonious. The city in which my girlfriend works has banned smoking anywhere that is not your home. And by that, they mean the home you own. So if you rent, too bad. You don't have the right to sit on your couch and smoke. Because this was done by the city council, it is an ordinance that can't be struck down by a vote. First there has to be a vote on whether or not it's allowed to be voted on.
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I have mixed feelings about this. I mean if the person was otherwise neat and took care of the place then it probably wouldn't matter, but if you have ever been in a bad hotel smoking room, that shit clings, even after the whole hotel goes non-smoking it can stay.
Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2007-09-18 19:17:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DangerPants (user info) at 2007-09-18 18:02:53 EDT (#)
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And to Sacrilicious: Yes. I certainly was serious. More people are diagnosed with lung cancer who don't smoke and have never smoked than otherwise. Dumbed down: more people who never smoke die of lung cancer than people who have smoked most of their lives.
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Yeah, I don't need you to dumb down a straightforward statistic, thanks. I just think it's pretty common knowledge that disease is more often proven to be a result of combinations like genetics and high risk behavior. Can you name one disease for which you can isolate one absolute factor as the only cause of that disease, which also causes it 100% of the time(aside from strictly genetic diseases)? Whether or not you believe smoking is a cause of lung cancer, you're actually trying to prove your point by stating it just the way you did?: ""If smoking causes lung cancer, then the only people who got lung cancer would be smokers, and all smokers would have it." Perhaps you meant "if smoking is the only cause of lung cancer"? or "If smoking always caused lung cancer.."? Your statement as it stands is speaking in superlatives in a way that just isn't responsible or practical in regards to disease.
And where are you getting your statistics from? Because it might be misleading for you to imply smoking is not linked to lung cancer just because so many who die from it are never smokers. If one contracted AIDS from an infected needle, it doesn't make the number of those who may have contracted it via sexual contact any less relevant. If more people died from asbestos exposure than smoking, it wouldn't indicate in any way that smoking doesn't also cause it.
Some statistics I find say "More than 87% of lung cancers are smoking related. However, not all smokers develop lung cancer." (lungcancer.org) or "Close to 90 percent of lung cancer deaths in men are caused by cigarette smoking. Nearly 80 percent of lung cancer deaths in women are caused by cigarette smoking." or "Former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop has called cigarette smoking "...the chief, single, avoidable cause of death in our society and the most important public health issue of our time" (USDHS, 1982)." I skipped the quotes from websites names strictly for anti-smoking/promoting quitting, as well.
I quit smoking last year. I know what it's like to be ostracized for it, and I think people should have the right to tobacco if they want it. I also think the belief that cigarette smoking is not *in all likelihood* a HIGH RISK FACTOR for lung cancer is pretty fucking silly. A HIGH RISK FACTOR and direct cause are not the same thing. Not every 400lb man dies of a heart attack, not every heroin addict contracts hepatitis or AIDS, but the risk factors are evident. My frustration is with the statement I quoted.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-18 18:15:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-18 16:29:23 EDT (#)
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Oh, and unless your grandma started smoking at 40 - she didn't really die of old age now did she?
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How long do you think the life expectancy is for someone born in 1927? Because from what I know, it's mid-seventies. Sure, you get the odd bunch that live to mid eighties or older, but those people aren't the norm. My grandmother died in 2004 at the age of 76. She was the last of her group of brothers and sisters to go, and she managed to live the longest. She started smoking in her mid-twenties.
How about you check some facts before you go running off at the mouth about what did and didn't happen to someone you don't even know, you smug little shit.
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Check the facts?
Ok, tell you what - you send over your Grandmother's autopsy report and full medical history and I'll have a peek at those. Seems to me those 'facts' might be a little more accurate than your regurgitated coffin side hearsay about the shape of your grandmother's lungs.
Of course, my guess is you haven't seen them - so until you have some sort of 'facts' for me to check you might want to shut the fuck up your own self.
Idiot.
Submitted by DangerPants (user info) at 2007-09-18 18:02:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-18 16:29:23 EDT (#)
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Oh, and unless your grandma started smoking at 40 - she didn't really die of old age now did she?
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How long do you think the life expectancy is for someone born in 1927? Because from what I know, it's mid-seventies. Sure, you get the odd bunch that live to mid eighties or older, but those people aren't the norm. My grandmother died in 2004 at the age of 76. She was the last of her group of brothers and sisters to go, and she managed to live the longest. She started smoking in her mid-twenties.
How about you check some facts before you go running off at the mouth about what did and didn't happen to someone you don't even know, you smug little shit.
And to Sacrilicious: Yes. I certainly was serious. More people are diagnosed with lung cancer who don't smoke and have never smoked than otherwise. Dumbed down: more people who never smoke die of lung cancer than people who have smoked most of their lives.
Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2007-09-18 17:22:47 EDT (#)
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"If smoking causes lung cancer, then the only people who got lung cancer would be smokers, and all smokers would have it."
Are you fucking serious?
Submitted by i_can_get_you_a_toe (user info) at 2007-09-18 17:00:28 EDT (#)
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maybe she was one of them 'dreaded ex-smokers' the worst of the anti-smoking brigade.
I HEART SMOKING!!!
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-18 16:32:00 EDT (#)
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Oh, and: http://www.ubersite.com/m/111814
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-18 16:29:23 EDT (#)
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Oh, and unless your grandma started smoking at 40 - she didn't really die of old age now did she?
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hmmm,
I really have no desire to speak insensitively about dead relatives - I am sorry if that was out of bounds.
See, my little brother had asthma... and despite our many urgings to quit and his own professed desire (and many attempts) to forsake his filthy little addiction he continued to smoke.
Last month he was houseboating, had an asthma attack, went into anaphylactic shock and died.
Now, was his smoking a contributing factor in his death? There is no "definitive" evidence to support that claim... but I sure as fuck think so.
Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2007-09-18 16:18:14 EDT (#)
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smokers are jokers
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-18 16:13:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DangerPants (user info) at 2007-09-18 15:48:59 EDT (#)
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Shows how much you know, rob_berg. Also shows that you're sanctimonious. The city in which my girlfriend works has banned smoking anywhere that is not your home. And by that, they mean the home you own. So if you rent, too bad. You don't have the right to sit on your couch and smoke. Because this was done by the city council, it is an ordinance that can't be struck down by a vote. First there has to be a vote on whether or not it's allowed to be voted on.
Again: I'm not a smoker. I do not smoke. But, I stand by a person's right to do what they like when it doesn't hurt anyone. And I'm sorry. Say what you like, but there has yet to be a clinical medical study that definitively links second-hand smoke to any sort of respiratory issues. They all say "possibly" and "maybe".
If smoking causes lung cancer, then the only people who got lung cancer would be smokers, and all smokers would have it. My grandmother smoked unfiltered Camels for 52 years before she died of old age in her bed. At her funeral, her doctor and my dad got to talking and the doctor said to my dad "Well, at least you know it wasn't cigarettes that killed her. She had perfect lungs."
Explain that to me then, Einstein.
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Yes, I am sanctimonious.
You might also conclude I am arrogant, flippant, condescending, verbose and entirely too smug.
Smoking is fucking gross... and in case you missed it - I don't give a fuck if you smoke or not. I have many friends who smoke and as long as they do it away from me I don't really care what they do so long as they clean up their butts.
Smoking is bad for you. Period. HOW bad is irrelevant to the simple observation that sucking back clouds of toxic, poisonous smoke is stupid and will only lead to bad things.
The fact it gives certain people a degree of immediate pleasure doesn't magically make it any less disgusting.
Perhaps your grandmother was a mutant.
Oh, and unless your grandma started smoking at 40 - she didn't really die of old age now did she?
Submitted by DangerPants (user info) at 2007-09-18 15:48:59 EDT (#)
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Shows how much you know, rob_berg. Also shows that you're sanctimonious. The city in which my girlfriend works has banned smoking anywhere that is not your home. And by that, they mean the home you own. So if you rent, too bad. You don't have the right to sit on your couch and smoke. Because this was done by the city council, it is an ordinance that can't be struck down by a vote. First there has to be a vote on whether or not it's allowed to be voted on.
Again: I'm not a smoker. I do not smoke. But, I stand by a person's right to do what they like when it doesn't hurt anyone. And I'm sorry. Say what you like, but there has yet to be a clinical medical study that definitively links second-hand smoke to any sort of respiratory issues. They all say "possibly" and "maybe".
If smoking causes lung cancer, then the only people who got lung cancer would be smokers, and all smokers would have it. My grandmother smoked unfiltered Camels for 52 years before she died of old age in her bed. At her funeral, her doctor and my dad got to talking and the doctor said to my dad "Well, at least you know it wasn't cigarettes that killed her. She had perfect lungs."
Explain that to me then, Einstein.
Submitted by steph (user info) at 2007-09-18 15:38:35 EDT (#)
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Sounds like some of the she-beasts I used to work with. She's just jealous because you're young and have your own teeth...
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-18 15:15:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by whiskey_jack (user info) at 2007-09-18 15:05:55 EDT (#)
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she was just jealous cause smoking makes you look at least 33% cooler
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Also true.
Submitted by whiskey_jack (user info) at 2007-09-18 15:05:55 EDT (#)
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she was just jealous cause smoking makes you look atleast 33% cooler
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-18 14:26:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-09-18 14:15:33 EDT (#)
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fuckin hate it when I agree with berg.
maybe smoking is cool.....
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Oh admit it.
You love me.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-18 14:25:34 EDT (#)
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All I am saying is that just because you don't like something does not mean it should not exist.
Example: I hate country music, with all my being. But I do not berate those that enjoy it. Neither do I think it should be stricken from public. Meaning, as you said, that doesn't mean my choice of music and how/when it is played outweighs yours.
But you cannot say that what one person does is "filthy and disgusting" when I am sure, beyond a doubt, that you do something equally repugnant in somebody else's view.
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That isn't necessarily true.
I'm all for 'freedom' - but I also realize that unrestricted freedom makes it impossible to govern us human-types. See, our free will garners us the capacity to do what ever the fuck we want - but those actions have been limited through our history by necessity. Humanity has developed this 'society' with its various rules and restrictions because while the concept of freedom is a good one - individual freedom can very strongly (and negatively) affect the group.
Society is beginning to voice its concerns over the very legitimate damage that smoking does - we see that with the bi-laws and the increased taxation.
It isn't just MY opinion that smoking is filthy and disgusting - it is an opinion shared by most non-smokers and quite frankly almost every smoker I have ever talked with. People just choose to ignore the health warnings and scientific discoveries and are quite content to dismiss the various complaints they receive and ultimately continue to feed their addiction regardless of divergent opinions because they enjoy it.
It makes them happy. It gives them something to do for 10 mins, relaxes them, gives them an outlet for stress... heck it even provides people with a social outlet. Of COURSE people will still smoke if given the choice - it doesn't make it any less putrid or gross.
I think country music is good times for about 4 songs. Then I begin to cramp up.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2007-09-18 14:22:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-09-18 14:15:33 EDT (#)
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fuckin hate it when I agree with berg.
maybe smoking is cool.....
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-09-18 14:14:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Empathetic (user info) at 2007-09-18 14:07:30 EDT (#)
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All I am saying is that just because you don't like something does not mean it should not exist.
Example: I hate country music, with all my being. But I do not berate those that enjoy it. Neither do I think it should be stricken from public. Meaning, as you said, that doesn't mean my choice of music and how/when it is played outweighs yours.
But you cannot say that what one person does is "filthy and disgusting" when I am sure, beyond a doubt, that you do something equally repugnant in somebody else's view.
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I don't think anyone is trying to bann smoking just keep it from public places where it does impact other peoples lives.
Last time I checked country music doesn't increase anyones likelyhood of cancer.
It isn't a tough argument to make for saying alcohol is "filthy and disgusting" when you consider the proven negative effects it has on the human body and the lack of any single recorded improvement in health.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-09-18 14:10:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Empathetic (user info) at 2007-09-18 14:00:49 EDT (#)
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Again, the argument you make is "Alcohol harms only the user."
Again, the user does harm others.
Any person that claims alcohol hurts nobody but the user is an ignorant and rambling idiot that is not worth wasting a breath on.
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Make up your mind. Is it the user on the alcohol that harms people?
Last time I checked drunk driving involved a person making bad choices, not alcohol magically driving a car into someone.
I believe in this little thing called personal responsibility. That means if someone does something stupid it is their fault not the fault of whatever substance they chose to use. I guess not blaming crime on a user who is powerless against the all-powerful alcohol makes me an ignorant and rambling idiot.
Submitted by Empathetic (user info) at 2007-09-18 14:07:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-18 14:03:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Empathetic (user info) at 2007-09-18 13:56:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-18 13:54:30 EDT (#)
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I think it's funny when you smoker -types get yer taints all squished-up when people express their continued disdain over your gross need to fucking inhale your deadly cloud of utter shit. It's a filthy disgusting SMELLY habit and citing OTHER filthy disgusting things that go on everyday in this fucked up world of ours doesn't make your individual choice any more 'right' or justify your actions in any way.
If YOU didn't smoke there would be one less foul thing happening on this planet. Period.
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The same arument could be made against cars, industry, or even cholesterol laden foods.
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Two wrongs have never, and will continue to NOT make a right. There are many lifestyle changes we as a society should be making and justifying our continued stupidity by flooding the conversation with humanity's OTHER failures might make YOU feel better... but I'm not so easily distracted.
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All I am saying is that just because you don't like something does not mean it should not exist.
Example: I hate country music, with all my being. But I do not berate those that enjoy it. Neither do I think it should be stricken from public. Meaning, as you said, that doesn't mean my choice of music and how/when it is played outweighs yours.
But you cannot say that what one person does is "filthy and disgusting" when I am sure, beyond a doubt, that you do something equally repugnant in somebody else's view.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-18 14:03:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Empathetic (user info) at 2007-09-18 13:56:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-18 13:54:30 EDT (#)
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I think it's funny when you smoker -types get yer taints all squished-up when people express their continued disdain over your gross need to fucking inhale your deadly cloud of utter shit. It's a filthy disgusting SMELLY habit and citing OTHER filthy disgusting things that go on everyday in this fucked up world of ours doesn't make your individual choice any more 'right' or justify your actions in any way.
If YOU didn't smoke there would be one less foul thing happening on this planet. Period.
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The same arument could be made against cars, industry, or even cholesterol laden foods.
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Two wrongs have never, and will continue to NOT make a right. There are many lifestyle changes we as a society should be making and justifying our continued stupidity by flooding the conversation with humanity's OTHER failures might make YOU feel better... but I'm not so easily distracted.
Submitted by Empathetic (user info) at 2007-09-18 14:00:49 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-09-18 13:56:37 EDT (#)
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Learn to read.
I am not saying alcohol is good because it doesn't make other people sick. I am saying it should be allowed because people should be responsable for their actions. You can use alcohol responsibly (and heavily in public) and only hurt yourself the same is not true for smoking. I don't give a fuck what people do if it doesn't harm me, or "innocent" people. Once it can or does harm me or "innocents" it should be stopped. People who use alcohol as an excuse are doing just that, making excuses for their personnel actions.
Alcohol doesn't harm anyone smoke does. If someone gets drunk and gets in a fight it wasn't alcohol that magically caused the fight it was the person. If someone gets hammered then decides to drive alcohol didn't magically crash a car. When someone gets sick from smoke it can be smoking that caused it.
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Again, the argument you make is "Alcohol harms only the user."
Again, the user does harm others.
Drunk driving.
Assaults.
Murder.
Theft.
etc
etc
etc.
You cannot say that these problems do not exist. ALSO, you cannot say that these problems are not enhanced by the use of alcohol. Statistics prove you wrong. Police records prove you wrong.
I'm an not saying that there is no crime attributed to cigarettes. Surely theft is a big one. But to say that they are more of a social problem because you don't like them, but you enjoy alcohol, is a biased reasoning.
I neither smoke nor drink, but I am also not a blind puppet of the masses.
Any person that claims alcohol hurts nobody but the user is an ignorant and rambling idiot that is not worth wasting a breath on.
Submitted by MouRNIngLoRY (user info) at 2007-09-18 13:59:03 EDT (#)
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I'm a smoker. I've never had an experience like this (probably because everyone in Vegas smokes, and in NY, everyone was too depressed NOT to smoke).
But that self-righteous bitch should have been punched in her fucking face in front of her kid, so she could show him the "dangers of being an offensive cunt".
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-09-18 13:59:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Empathetic (user info) at 2007-09-18 13:56:19 EDT (#)
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If YOU didn't smoke there would be one less foul thing happening on this planet. Period.
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The same arument could be made against cars, industry, or even cholesterol laden foods.
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Cars serve a legitimate purpose. Industry gives you many things you would be crying abou if you didn't have (including your cigarettes). You can't get second-hand fat.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-09-18 13:56:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Empathetic (user info) at 2007-09-18 13:33:18 EDT (#)
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Those are pretty weak arguments.
The first is an appeal to consequences. "If you smoke, other people get sick so it must be bad. But drinking doesn't make other people sick, so it must be good." Also, you left out the appeal to consequences that negate your argument. The fact that drinking DOES do harm to other "innocent" people. A point in which you try to make by stating that two other countries do not have violent crime attributed to alcohol.
This is also an appeal to consequnces with wishful thinking. "These countries drink and do not have crime attributed to it, so it must not be the alcohol but the people drinking the alcohol."
Both of your arguments are fallacious.
Period.
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Learn to read.
I am not saying alcohol is good because it doesn't make other people sick. I am saying it should be allowed because people should be responsable for their actions. You can use alcohol responsibly (and heavily in public) and only hurt yourself the same is not true for smoking. I don't give a fuck what people do if it doesn't harm me, or "innocent" people. Once it can or does harm me or "innocents" it should be stopped. People who use alcohol as an excuse are doing just that, making excuses for their personnel actions.
Alcohol doesn't harm anyone smoke does. If someone gets drunk and gets in a fight it wasn't alcohol that magically caused the fight it was the person. If someone gets hammered then decides to drive alcohol didn't magically crash a car. When someone gets sick from smoke it can be smoking that caused it.
Submitted by Empathetic (user info) at 2007-09-18 13:56:36 EDT (#)
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*argument
Submitted by Empathetic (user info) at 2007-09-18 13:56:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-18 13:54:30 EDT (#)
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I think it's funny when you smoker -types get yer taints all squished-up when people express their continued disdain over your gross need to fucking inhale your deadly cloud of utter shit. It's a filthy disgusting SMELLY habit and citing OTHER filthy disgusting things that go on everyday in this fucked up world of ours doesn't make your individual choice any more 'right' or justify your actions in any way.
If YOU didn't smoke there would be one less foul thing happening on this planet. Period.
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The same arument could be made against cars, industry, or even cholesterol laden foods.
Submitted by Empathetic (user info) at 2007-09-18 13:54:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DangerPants (user info) at 2007-09-18 13:50:53 EDT (#)
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Drinking doesn't harm other people? Connections between violent crime and drinking are tenuous at best? Please do tell that to the thousands of innocent people who die thanks to drunk drivers.
I don't smoke cigarettes. I have been known to enjoy a cigar from time to time, or if I'm smoking some lovely weed, I will bum one of SG's menthols, because menthol + stoned = Heaven. SuperGirlfriend smokes, and I won't let her smoke in the house or my car. She goes outside to smoke when we go out to dinner, even if we're sitting on the patio because she says it's rude to force other people to smell her cigarettes while they try to eat. If we're standing outside while she smokes and someone walks by, she will shield her cigarette and is careful to blow the smoke away from them. Basically, she does what she can to not intentionally force other people to breathe in her smoke. Yet she still gets people in her face bitching about how "disgusting and dirty" she is.
Seriously... nonsmokers are WAY more rude to smokers than smokers are to nons. I've seen many a post on on this site bitching about vegans, PETA, and eco-nazis shoving their morality down someone else's gullet because they think it's their job. Why is it so different and honorable when a non-smoker berates a smoker?
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Because the vegans, PETA, and eco-"Nazis" have a group of people that can generally agree with them on one point or another.
Example: I think maliciously harming an animal for amusement is wrong. So does PETA. But that doesn't mean I agree with PETA as a whole.
Alternatively, non-smokers do not have any basis of understanding with smokers. There have been thousands of media sweeps demonizing cigarettes and the people who use them. Smokers are to today what the Communists were to the 1950s.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-09-18 13:54:30 EDT (#)
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I think it's funny when you smoker -types get yer taints all squished-up when people express their continued disdain over your gross need to fucking inhale your deadly cloud of utter shit. It's a filthy disgusting SMELLY habit and citing OTHER filthy disgusting things that go on everyday in this fucked up world of ours doesn't make your individual choice any more 'right' or justify your actions in any way.
If YOU didn't smoke there would be one less foul thing happening on this planet. Period.
People will be people, however, and most of you won't/don't give even the smallest of fucks abuot anyone but yourself. You will continue to enjoy being part of the problem... perhaps even basking in its utter wrong-ness and lighting-up in spite, in arrogance, in defiance, in ambivalence... conveniently ignoring the fact you NEED to light up - sad little addicted creatures you are.
To which I say: go for it. We all die one day right? Might as well go out swinging. FUCK EVERYONE.
It's weak - but the free market will certainly continue to feed off your toxic lifestyle so it won't be going away anytime soon no matter how many bi-laws 'they' pass and some of my most favourite people in the whole world smoke... and I know it makes them very happy.
Submitted by DangerPants (user info) at 2007-09-18 13:50:53 EDT (#)
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Drinking doesn't harm other people? Connections between violent crime and drinking are tenuous at best? Please do tell that to the thousands of innocent people who die thanks to drunk drivers.
I don't smoke cigarettes. I have been known to enjoy a cigar from time to time, or if I'm smoking some lovely weed, I will bum one of SG's menthols, because menthol + stoned = Heaven. SuperGirlfriend smokes, and I won't let her smoke in the house or my car. She goes outside to smoke when we go out to dinner, even if we're sitting on the patio because she says it's rude to force other people to smell her cigarettes while they try to eat. If we're standing outside while she smokes and someone walks by, she will shield her cigarette and is careful to blow the smoke away from them. Basically, she does what she can to not intentionally force other people to breathe in her smoke. Yet she still gets people in her face bitching about how "disgusting and dirty" she is.
Seriously... nonsmokers are WAY more rude to smokers than smokers are to nons. I've seen many a post on on this site bitching about vegans, PETA, and eco-nazis shoving their morality down someone else's gullet because they think it's their job. Why is it so different and honorable when a non-smoker berates a smoker?
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-09-18 13:37:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JulsInsane (user info) at 2007-09-18 12:12:31 EDT (#)
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There is a difference in having respect for others and creating a society where nothing that is harmful or distasteful to some becomes illegal.
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THE PURE ESSENCE OF THIS ARGUEMENT.
Don't like it? Fuck off.
Submitted by Empathetic (user info) at 2007-09-18 13:33:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-09-18 13:24:42 EDT (#)
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If smokers only made themselves sick I would be fine with it (unless you want to get into the whole messy argument of places with free healtch care), but they can make others sick someone just drinking can't.
Links between violent crime and alcohol are tenous at best, people who commit violent crime generally have poor impulse control, this also leads them to drinking a lot. What are the two biggest drinking countries in the world Ireland and Belgium (may be off on belgium, could have been from a few years ago) how do you think they rate in violent crime? Would you feel safer in a country that bans alcohol?
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Those are pretty weak arguments.
The first is an appeal to consequences. "If you smoke, other people get sick so it must be bad. But drinking doesn't make other people sick, so it must be good." Also, you left out the appeal to consequences that negate your argument. The fact that drinking DOES do harm to other "innocent" people. A point in which you try to make by stating that two other countries do not have violent crime attributed to alcohol.
This is also an appeal to consequnces with wishful thinking. "These countries drink and do not have crime attributed to it, so it must not be the alcohol but the people drinking the alcohol."
Both of your arguments are fallacious.
Period.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-09-18 13:24:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DeadToast (user info) at 2007-09-18 08:28:00 EDT (#)
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When a non-smoker tries to get high and mighty, I remind them of this:
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Alcohol-related liver disease
Heart disease
Cancer
Pancreatitis
Then of course, you have the crime:
Alcohol is a factor in 40% of violent crimes.
Two-thirds of victims who suffered violence by an intimate (a current or former spouse, boyfriend, or girlfriend) reported that alcohol had been a factor.
An estimated 32 percent of fatal accidents involved an intoxicated driver or pedestrian
Among the 5.3 million convicted offenders under the jurisdiction of corrections agencies, nearly 2 million, or about 36 percent, were estimated to have been drinking at the time of the offense
So, if you drink you can just shut your pie hole. At least cigarettes aren't contributors to violent crimes.
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If smokers only made themselves sick I would be fine with it (unless you want to get into the whole messy argument of places with free healtch care), but they can make others sick someone just drinking can't.
Links between violent crime and alcohol are tenous at best, people who commit violent crime generally have poor impulse control, this also leads them to drinking a lot. What are the two biggest drinking countries in the world Ireland and Belgium (may be off on belgium, could have been from a few years ago) how do you think they rate in violent crime? Would you feel safer in a country that bans alcohol?
Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-09-18 13:24:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2007-09-18 13:18:00 EDT (#)
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Fuck Non-smokers, Smokers get what they want because they earned it.
Submitted by Empathetic (user info) at 2007-09-18 13:09:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-09-18 07:30:03 EDT (#)
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well ummm MORE than 17,000 children under the age of five are admitted to hospitals every year because of respiratory illness caused by exposure to second-hand smoke.
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Classic case of "For The Children" politics.
X is good for children
Children are good
Therefore, anything good for children is good
Therefore, X is good
Replace X with banning smoking.
It's an emotional appeal that supports irrevelant conclusions.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2007-09-18 12:59:23 EDT (#)
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Pro Smoking. You go, girl.
Speaking of smoking, any interest in smoking my pole?
Submitted by JulsInsane (user info) at 2007-09-18 12:12:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-09-18 07:30:03 EDT (#)
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well ummm MORE than 17,000 children under the age of five are admitted to hospitals every year because of respiratory illness caused by exposure to second-hand smoke.
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how many are admitted for eating a light brite?
how many are admitted for shoving a penny up thier nose?
how many are admitted for eating all the Flintstones vitamins?
Guess what children are important as they should be sheltered from exposure to things that can harm them until they are able to shelter themselves but when did this wrap them up in cotton wool mentality come from? Yes my parents smoked in my presence when I was a child did it possibly leave me open to illnesses... sure. Guess what I LIVED ON EARTH WITH HUMANITY WHERE PEOPLE WOULDNT ALWAYS GIVE A SWEET FUCK ABOUT ME.
There is a difference in having respect for others and creating a society where nothing that is harmful or distasteful to some becomes illegal.
I know many people that hate the taste of alcohol and hate drunks, perhaps that should be outlawed too bc they are pussies and have a sandy vagina.
Submitted by rorrim (user info) at 2007-09-18 10:53:26 EDT (#)
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burn those non-smokers!
sorry rob.
Submitted by ilikesteak (user info) at 2007-09-18 10:37:22 EDT (#)
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Labbala.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-09-18 10:31:04 EDT (#)
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MERLINA!!
I always thought you dined on grapes and tea, not with a ambert and scuttler hanging out your gob
:(
Submitted by Merlina (user info) at 2007-09-18 10:25:21 EDT (#)
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I smoke so I totally understand
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-09-18 10:24:27 EDT (#)
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Well, obviously I'm giving this a +2 out of principle...
**lights up cigarette and nods like BOSHman**
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2007-09-18 10:13:32 EDT (#)
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You need to work on your put downs.
Now lets go outside and Smirt.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-09-18 10:09:42 EDT (#)
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Uh oh.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-09-18 10:06:31 EDT (#)
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I didn't mean you, Slappy.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-09-18 10:02:10 EDT (#)
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no, no im not. Unfortunatly I have the attention span of a lightning bolt.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-09-18 09:58:51 EDT (#)
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You're not very good at the whole insult thing.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-09-18 08:46:54 EDT (#)
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hahaha Napalm!! VERY FUNNY!!
Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2007-09-18 08:43:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by NapalmFace (user info) at 2007-09-18 13:42:12 BST (#)
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Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-09-18 13:39:01 BST (#)
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You know people who smoke AND drive should be gassed.
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As long as we gas you too.
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He kind of has a point, certainly when it comes to driving a manual. I wouldn't smoke and drive in anything other than an automatic.
Submitted by NapalmFace (user info) at 2007-09-18 08:42:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-09-18 13:39:01 BST (#)
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You know people who smoke AND drive should be gassed.
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As long as we gas you too.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-09-18 08:39:01 EDT (#)
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You know people who smoke AND drive should be gassed.
Submitted by DeadToast (user info) at 2007-09-18 08:28:00 EDT (#)
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When a non-smoker tries to get high and mighty, I remind them of this:
The more heavily you drink, the greater the potential for problems at home, at work, with friends, and even with strangers. These problems may include:
Arguments with or estrangement from your spouse and other family members;
Strained relationships with coworkers;
Absence from or lateness to work with increasing frequency;
Loss of employment due to decreased productivity; and
Committing or being the victim of violence.
If you are a pregnant woman or one who is trying to conceive, you can prevent alcohol-related birth defects by not drinking alcohol during your pregnancy. Alcohol can cause a range of birth defects, the most serious being fetal alcohol syndrome (FAS). Children born with alcohol-related birth defects can have lifelong learning and behavior problems. Those born with FAS have physical abnormalities, mental impairment, and behavior problems. Because scientists do not know exactly how much alcohol it takes to cause alcohol-related birth defects, it is best not to drink any alcohol during this time.
Some problems, like those mentioned above, can occur after drinking over a relatively short period of time. But other problems--such as liver disease, heart disease, certain forms of cancer, and pancreatitis--often develop more gradually and may become evident only after long-term heavy drinking. Women may develop alcohol-related health problems after consuming less alcohol than men do over a shorter period of time. Because alcohol affects many organs in the body, long-term heavy drinking puts you at risk for developing serious health problems, some of which are described below.
Alcohol-related liver disease
Heart disease
Cancer
Pancreatitis
Then of course, you have the crime:
Alcohol is a factor in 40% of violent crimes.
Two-thirds of victims who suffered violence by an intimate (a current or former spouse, boyfriend, or girlfriend) reported that alcohol had been a factor.
An estimated 32 percent of fatal accidents involved an intoxicated driver or pedestrian
Among the 5.3 million convicted offenders under the jurisdiction of corrections agencies, nearly 2 million, or about 36 percent, were estimated to have been drinking at the time of the offense
So, if you drink you can just shut your pie hole. At least cigarettes aren't contributors to violent crimes.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2007-09-18 08:13:50 EDT (#)
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i smoke and enjoy it in my own space but there really is no logical arguement to defend smoking. 'Because I like it' doesn't work because I also like killing animals and raping hookers but that doesn't make it right.
you really just sound like a pissy asshole or a teenager or well...what's the difference really.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2007-09-18 07:46:03 EDT (#)
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Smoke if you want to. Everybody dies of something.
Submitted by NapalmFace (user info) at 2007-09-18 07:43:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2007-09-18 12:38:58 BST (#)
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Submitted by Hookhand (user info) at 2007-09-18 11:30:18 BST (#)
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Fuck right off. Seriously, what do you think cars do? Blow clouds of happiness and joy into your face?
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Pretty sure I don't have to walk by a bunch of cars with their tailpipes at face level just to enter a building. Thanks for playing "Apples and Oranges"
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No, but you have to walk down a street filled with cars just about every fucking day. Retard.
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Well played.
Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2007-09-18 07:38:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Hookhand (user info) at 2007-09-18 11:30:18 BST (#)
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Fuck right off. Seriously, what do you think cars do? Blow clouds of happiness and joy into your face?
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Pretty sure I don't have to walk by a bunch of cars with their tailpipes at face level just to enter a building. Thanks for playing "Apples and Oranges"
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No, but you have to walk down a street filled with cars just about every fucking day. Retard.
Submitted by NapalmFace (user info) at 2007-09-18 07:38:13 EDT (#)
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dont get me wrong, smoking is harmful and kills 40,000 kittens every second etc... but why does the lazy hick retard who is too stupid to recycle praised for not smoking, even though the wasteful fucker is doing as much damage to the planet and future generations as the average smoker?
the state of the world id a mite more important than fat, rich people getting a tickled gullet from inhaling a microbe of smoke amongst the gallons of crap spewed out by their filthy american cars.
as for the poor children? i'm 21 and my dad has smoked around me my whole life but i have yet to go crying to a doctor about getting the sniffles.
fact: smoking destroys weaker cells, leaving the stronger ones to multiply (obviously, it kills the good'uns aswell, but thats a price we smokers have to pay for possibly being the next superhero)
Submitted by Natures_Biggest_Mistake (user info) at 2007-09-18 07:37:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-09-18 07:30:03 EDT (#)
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well ummm MORE than 17,000 children under the age of five are admitted to hospitals every year because of respiratory illness caused by exposure to second-hand smoke.
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B to the O to the VV to the A-R-D.
Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2007-09-18 07:32:12 EDT (#)
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Injustice may not be all that's burning at your breast if you're a long term smoker.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-09-18 07:30:03 EDT (#)
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well ummm MORE than 17,000 children under the age of five are admitted to hospitals every year because of respiratory illness caused by exposure to second-hand smoke.
Submitted by NapalmFace (user info) at 2007-09-18 07:24:25 EDT (#)
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Fuck non smokers, fuck them up their stupid asses.
Second hand smoke is proven to be less likely to harm you than the shit belted out into the atmosphere by those stupid, over sized and unnecessary SUV's that every righteous non-smoking soccer mom decides she needs, even though a nice small family car is more than adequate.
There should be a ban on pointlessly big cars, because at least smokers contribute a shit load (read: fucking shit load) of tax to the system, money that most governments would be fucked without.
Submitted by Hookhand (user info) at 2007-09-18 06:30:18 EDT (#)
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Fuck right off. Seriously, what do you think cars do? Blow clouds of happiness and joy into your face?
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Pretty sure I don't have to walk by a bunch of cars with their tailpipes at face level just to enter a building. Thanks for playing "Apples and Oranges"
Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2007-09-18 06:05:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Hookhand (user info) at 2007-09-18 10:47:36 BST (#)
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There is nothing sanctimonious about not wanting a deadly cloud of carcinogens blown into your facehole. If it were up to me the designated smoking areas would be on the fucking roof.
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Fuck right off. Seriously, what do you think cars do? Blow clouds of happiness and joy into your face?
Submitted by Hookhand (user info) at 2007-09-18 05:47:36 EDT (#)
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There is nothing sanctimonious about not wanting a deadly cloud of carcinogens blown into your facehole. If it were up to me the designated smoking areas would be on the fucking roof.
Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2007-09-18 05:44:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ChaosJester (user info) at 2007-09-18 10:16:36 BST (#)
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Y'know, there's about a thousand posts about this sort of thing and they all go something like this:
"So, I was standing outside/in a restaurant/at a bar when some sanctamonious cunt starts being rude to me so I made a witty retort/beat the living hell out of/smouldered in impotent anger at the offending putz."
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Okay, I don't smoke (although I do happen to be a raging second-hand-smoke fiend from all my time at bars), but it seem to me that if you wanted to seem like the better person, you would either ignore the offending asshole or greet said person with a smile and a pleasant remark (something which is guaranteed to make a better impression than the alternative).
Being a dick when someone is acting uncouth only proves that you are just as unpleasant as the other person suspected.
Also, it seems that your anger has more to do with your unconcious shame at having to bear a stigmatized addiction than with some insignifigant butt-head rubbing your nose in that fact. In this, you seem to have a great deal in common with most smokers.
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I agree and disagree with this. Sure, it'd be nice to take the high ground or whatever, but a cunt as offensive as that woman is doubtful to feel shamed. She fucking went for the offensive route, so that's probably what she'd understand.
Unconcious stigmatized shame? What. The. Fuck? Mate, seriously. It's smoking, there's nothing shameful about it.
Submitted by ChaosJester (user info) at 2007-09-18 05:16:36 EDT (#)
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Y'know, there's about a thousand posts about this sort of thing and they all go something like this:
"So, I was standing outside/in a restaurant/at a bar when some sanctamonious cunt starts being rude to me so I made a witty retort/beat the living hell out of/smouldered in impotent anger at the offending putz."
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Okay, I don't smoke (although I do happen to be a raging second-hand-smoke fiend from all my time at bars), but it seem to me that if you wanted to seem like the better person, you would either ignore the offending asshole or greet said person with a smile and a pleasant remark (something which is guaranteed to make a better impression than the alternative).
Being a dick when someone is acting uncouth only proves that you are just as unpleasant as the other person suspected.
Also, it seems that your anger has more to do with your unconcious shame at having to bear a stigmatized addiction than with some insignifigant butt-head rubbing your nose in that fact. In this, you seem to have a great deal in common with most smokers.
Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2007-09-18 04:34:15 EDT (#)
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Auto Smoking +2. I get that shit all the time and like you attempt not to blow smoke in peoples' faces. Do they really make you stand 25 feet away? Do they police it, for that would be hilarious.
Submitted by Natures_Biggest_Mistake (user info) at 2007-09-18 04:28:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-09-18 04:12:52 EDT (#)
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I think crazy hat lady needs to stick to buying her crazy hats.
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Or smoke some opium and chill.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-09-18 04:12:52 EDT (#)
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I think crazy hat lady needs to stick to buying her crazy hats.
Submitted by Respek (user info) at 2007-09-18 03:41:08 EDT (#)
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smoking = drowning kittens. I can prove it, it's science.
please, think of the kittens.
Submitted by ChristPuncher (user info) at 2007-09-18 03:33:59 EDT (#)
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FUCK YOU STOP SMOKING YOU LESBO
GO BEARS WOO!!!
WE FUCKED YER CHEEFS UP WOO!!!
Submitted by darkwulffe (user info) at 2007-09-18 03:10:28 EDT (#)
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Huzzah!
Submitted by HateMudkips (user info) at 2007-09-18 02:54:38 EDT (#)
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Also +2 because
Those who are offended by my choices offend me
Submitted by HateMudkips (user info) at 2007-09-18 02:51:39 EDT (#)
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+2
Fuck Kansas
Submitted by Hookhand (user info) at 2007-09-18 02:45:28 EDT (#)
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+2 for the writing
-1 for stealing jokes from Super Troopers of all places
-1 being a smoker a