These people should be fed to the fires. (1865 hits)
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Submitted by Indoninja (View user info) at 2007-10-25 13:46:01 EDT
San Diego:
Six undocumented Mexican immigrants* were arrested today by U.S. Border Patrol agents at Qualcomm Stadium, after a report that they were stealing food and water meant for evacuees, according to spokesman Damon Foreman.
San Diego police responded to a call about alleged theft from the evacuation center and encountered six people in a van who didn't speak English and didn't have California driver's licenses, Foreman said. The police officers called the Border Patrol, who arrived at the stadium and made the arrests, he said. Foreman said the immigrants admitted they were Mexican citizens and that they were stealing.
Border Patrol agents are not looking for illegal immigrants at the center but will continue responding to police calls for assistance.
"We are not in any means at Qualcomm for enforcement capacity," he said. "We are not there to take advantage of a situation."
Foreman said the agents have been helping in the evacuation and rescue effort in addition to carrying out their main duties.
"We are dedicated to our primary mission to securing our borders," he said.
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*undocumented Mexican immigrants- is PC talk for filthy illegal immigrant wetbacks, not that all illegal immigrants are filthy wetbacks, but when they steal food and water from a shelter they are.
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Submitted by thecaes (user info) at 2007-10-28 03:56:44 EDT (#)
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Oh please.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-27 17:17:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2007-10-26 23:05:13 EDT (#)
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Good Old FEMA...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/25/AR2007102502488.html
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haha tax dollars at work...
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-10-27 05:04:05 EDT (#)
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ALERT _ ALERT _ ALERT
**IndoNinja is NOT a real person**
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Submitted by beeltea (user info) at 2007-10-27 02:44:47 EDT (#)
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oh good lord... not that I believe in that sort of thing...
There is a place I know that I like to call "The Land of Reality."
All of you should come and visit.
Most of you should come on the free tour.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2007-10-26 23:05:13 EDT (#)
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Good Old FEMA...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/25/AR2007102502488.html
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-10-26 15:22:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-26 14:35:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-10-26 13:50:15 EDT (#)
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I got that from your statement about people on Welfare because it pays more. Why should the minimum wage put you below the poverty line, and even below Welfare payments?
You want people off Welfare, you make it worthwhile by paying a living wage.
Now, if you DON'T want to pay a real living wage, you can't complain about people taking Welfare instead because they are better off.
You and your Republican buddies rail against "liberals" for not having solutions, but you can't come up with a simple one either. You want people off Welfare? Make jobs pay more. It really is that fucking simple.
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The govt doesn't have to "make jobs pay more". If we take illegals out of the equation businesses will have to pay enough for it to be worth while otherwise people won't work.
I don't think some shmoe flipping burgers deserves 9 dollars an hour. I think someone working outside doing hard work deserves more. If these jobs aren't being filled by illegals then companies will pay americans enough to make it worth while. We don't need to legslate and micromange a solution (although I am fond of linking minimum wage to congressional pay).
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should start by fining companies that use illegal labor then. if they actually pay more in fines per laborer than they do to hire a legal worker they won't use illegal labor.
congress pay is absurd. two terms and lifetime yearly salary my ass. they don't even show up to fucking vote for everything.
assholes.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-10-26 15:20:38 EDT (#)
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indo - i don't think you realize how horrible working in food service is.
no it doesn't take a lot of manual or mental skill, but christ it takes the patience of a saint with those working conditions..
problem when minimum wage goes up is the cost of everything else goes up. so it's necessary but self defeating. a livable wage, or at least poverty level wage, would be about $8.20/hr for a 40 hour week. however full time is set at above 32 hours a week and most business will not give benefits before a full time schedule is reached.
except paying employees more requires leveling out the cost of goods and services.
the economy and division of wealth need to be worked over in more ways than just raising minimum wage.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-26 15:19:38 EDT (#)
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btw indo, my heat calculator says you owe me $4.63 for stoking the fires.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-26 15:13:40 EDT (#)
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Balance of Taxes and Benefits
On average, low-skill immigrant households received $30,160 per household in immediate government benefits and services in FY 2004, including direct benefits, means-tested benefits, education, and population-based services. By contrast, low-skill immigrant households paid only $10,573 in taxes. Thus, low-skill immigrant households received nearly three dollars in benefits and services for each dollar in taxes paid.
http://www.heritage.org/research/immigration/sr14.cfm
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-26 14:59:49 EDT (#)
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Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-10-26 14:42:55 EDT (#)
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If you do that, minimum wage will go up by 10% every 2 years, indo....6 now would be much cheaper in the long run.
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I don't really think it will ever pass, nor do I think it is realistic, I just know it pisses congressmen off, and shows how absurd their pay raises are.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-10-26 14:42:55 EDT (#)
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If you do that, minimum wage will go up by 10% every 2 years, indo....6 now would be much cheaper in the long run.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-26 14:35:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-10-26 13:50:15 EDT (#)
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I got that from your statement about people on Welfare because it pays more. Why should the minimum wage put you below the poverty line, and even below Welfare payments?
You want people off Welfare, you make it worthwhile by paying a living wage.
Now, if you DON'T want to pay a real living wage, you can't complain about people taking Welfare instead because they are better off.
You and your Republican buddies rail against "liberals" for not having solutions, but you can't come up with a simple one either. You want people off Welfare? Make jobs pay more. It really is that fucking simple.
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The govt doesn't have to "make jobs pay more". If we take illegals out of the equation businesses will have to pay enough for it to be worth while otherwise people won't work.
I don't think some shmoe flipping burgers deserves 9 dollars an hour. I think someone working outside doing hard work deserves more. If these jobs aren't being filled by illegals then companies will pay americans enough to make it worth while. We don't need to legslate and micromange a solution (although I am fond of linking minimum wage to congressional pay).
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-10-26 13:50:15 EDT (#)
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I got that from your statement about people on Welfare because it pays more. Why should the minimum wage put you below the poverty line, and even below Welfare payments?
You want people off Welfare, you make it worthwhile by paying a living wage.
Now, if you DON'T want to pay a real living wage, you can't complain about people taking Welfare instead because they are better off.
You and your Republican buddies rail against "liberals" for not having solutions, but you can't come up with a simple one either. You want people off Welfare? Make jobs pay more. It really is that fucking simple.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-26 13:43:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-10-26 13:38:33 EDT (#)
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So a $6 raise in the minimum wage gets your vote?
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How the hell did you get that from my response?
if we take illegals out of the picture, by enforcing current laws, not giving them any aid (medicine, schools etc), and cracking down on those who employ them the market will balance itself out.
if we do have labor shortages after that I am all for increasing and/or fast tracking immigration from mexico, as long as no special treatment is given to people who broke laws to come here.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-10-26 13:38:33 EDT (#)
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So a $6 raise in the minimum wage gets your vote?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-26 13:36:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-10-26 13:21:42 EDT (#)
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$200 billion for a war we can't win. I mean really can't. There is no way to defeat an abstract concept. And that is PER YEAR now. $8 billion for illegals. Every year of war (going on #5) = 25 years of immigration non-issues.
For fuck's sake, we've spent how many TRILLIONS on war/warmongering/depleting our soldiering population and you're worried about a few billion because someone wants to clean port-o-lets for $10 an hour?
You complain about the drain illegals are on our society. How many of them pay taxes using a fake social security number, working jobs harder and cheaper than their American counterparts would? There's a reason that construction costs have skyrocketed in areas that immmigration crackdowns have happened. There a reason construction jobs get finished late when we let "hard-working" Americans do it.
It's because, despite yours and every other Republicans arguments to the contrary, Americans don't want to work the way illegal or undocumented or whatever you want to call them Mexicans do. They don't want to work 8-10 hours a day for $10 an hour. In fact, they won't. They'll complain that "wetbacks" are taking their jobs, when they won't take the jobs that are available.
No matter how you rant to the contrary, they aren't doing jobs Americans want. Hell, let's take all the legal immigrants and stick them in shit jobs so that REAL citizens can have the real jobs. See how McCallum feels about this issue then.
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They do it for $10 dollars an hour because it is under the table and they get free health/road/law enforcement/etc services. It is a joke that they pay taxes, they just claim 10 dependents, get all their money and never file.
If construction costs are higher without immigrants than so be it. I am ok for labor getting paid a little more. Letting in illegals who will work for crap puts more citizens on welfare (yes some are chronically unemployed, but a 2-6 dollar swing makes a big difference for a lot of people).
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-10-26 13:21:42 EDT (#)
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<< Fine. Be another complacent idiot who lets it happen. Just don't come to me screaming HOW COME MY FUCKING TAXES ARE SO HIGH ten years from now when there are another 100 million people sucking our support services dry and leaving no cash for maintaining basic infrastructures.>>
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$200 billion for a war we can't win. I mean really can't. There is no way to defeat an abstract concept. And that is PER YEAR now. $8 billion for illegals. Every year of war (going on #5) = 25 years of immigration non-issues.
For fuck's sake, we've spent how many TRILLIONS on war/warmongering/depleting our soldiering population and you're worried about a few billion because someone wants to clean port-o-lets for $10 an hour?
You complain about the drain illegals are on our society. How many of them pay taxes using a fake social security number, working jobs harder and cheaper than their American counterparts would? There's a reason that construction costs have skyrocketed in areas that immmigration crackdowns have happened. There a reason construction jobs get finished late when we let "hard-working" Americans do it.
It's because, despite yours and every other Republicans arguments to the contrary, Americans don't want to work the way illegal or undocumented or whatever you want to call them Mexicans do. They don't want to work 8-10 hours a day for $10 an hour. In fact, they won't. They'll complain that "wetbacks" are taking their jobs, when they won't take the jobs that are available.
No matter how you rant to the contrary, they aren't doing jobs Americans want. Hell, let's take all the legal immigrants and stick them in shit jobs so that REAL citizens can have the real jobs. See how McCallum feels about this issue then.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-10-26 13:14:59 EDT (#)
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to conor - open immigration that still required registration.
you signed your name on a piece of paper and said here i am. and nowadays there are a million fucking steps to immigration to protect citizens and legal immigrants. criminal checks, chest xrays, innoculations, the list goes on.
maybe you don't know this about mexico but they have day labor passes. they get a pass, they are registered and identified. they come across the border to work and go home at the end of the day after earning fair wages, in america, legally.
open immigration sure, but health and safety risk to current inhabitants? not so much. we've eradicated a lot of diseases that flourish in other places. we don't want rapists and murderers to cross the borders or fly in or boat in and stay here.
the cops can find me, i have records. i want them to be able to find ANYONE that commits a crime. i don't want tuberculosis, small pox or any number of other communicable diseases that people carry from other countries and that we stop at the border when they try to enter legally until they pass that health inspection.
i don't want a murderer hiding out in my country, we have enough of our own. the difference being someone who's born here or who moves here with a paper trail can be named and found.
there are too many holes with travel visas, and it's too hard for people who come here the RIGHT way to become citizens. why should we give them special treatment for not going through the process that other people have to? why should we support their children in our education system when they don't pay taxes? why should they get healthcare at a free clinic but an american citizen can't get that because they have a social security number?
legal immigration fine.
and crap if you want to nitpick over this, let's point out that tax dollars paid to city and states pay for firefighters and emergency workers in times like this. these 6 men probably paid NOTHING into the system they were offered freely and then abused.
in short: fuck them.
Submitted by ConorJS (user info) at 2007-10-26 13:08:29 EDT (#)
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Okay, I did just laugh a little at the thought of running up to some random guy in San Francisco going, "WAAAAHHH, my taxes are SOOOO HIGH!!!"
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-26 12:56:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ConorJS (user info) at 2007-10-26 12:22:56 EDT (#)
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Because the policy of more or less open immigration was what built this nation? Just about everyone with immigrant parentage from the 1840s on is a descendant of unskilled, undereducated, and unwanted laborers.
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Undereducated, and unwanted maybe, but most people came here with some sort of trade. Farming was in huge demand then and without modern technology it took a lot more "skill" to do effeciently.
The world was a different place in 1840's. Just because the nation had room and was helped by immigration that doesn't mean we have to keep that policy forever. We still had slavery in 1840's does that mean it is stilla good policy today? How about women voting?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-26 12:50:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by phuzzygish (user info) at 2007-10-26 11:12:45 EDT (#)
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NOOOOOOOOO WAAAAAAAYYYY!!!!!!!!!
Dude, America has one of the most hectic immigration policies of any country!!! Trust me, even going there as a tourist is ridiculous, nevermind wanting to move there....
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I am talking about numbers and the amount of unskilled people we let in. We might make people jump through a lot of hoops, but we let a lot of people in.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-26 12:49:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ConorJS (user info) at 2007-10-26 12:22:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-26 10:46:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ConorJS (user info) at 2007-10-25 16:07:55 EDT (#)
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There is no practical way for an unskilled and uneducated worker in Latin America to get into the US legally.
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Then enlighten ALL of us by giving us ONE good reason an unskilled and uneducated worker from another country is OUR responsibility instead of the resposibility of his OWN government?
Please?
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Because the policy of more or less open immigration was what built this nation? Just about everyone with immigrant parentage from the 1840s on is a descendant of unskilled, undereducated, and unwanted laborers.
<<This is not the 1840's and Jesus Christ if I have to point out all the differences and the risks posed by uncheckd population growth then you're an idiot. Does France let illegals flood their country? Germany? Italy? No, no and no.>>
Whatever. Regardless of how you feel about it, things won't change, and in a few decades we'll have as much Mexican blood in our nation as Irish or Italian.
<< Fine. Be another complacent idiot who lets it happen. Just don't come to me screaming HOW COME MY FUCKING TAXES ARE SO HIGH ten years from now when there are another 100 million people sucking our support services dry and leaving no cash for maintaining basic infrastructures.>>
Submitted by ConorJS (user info) at 2007-10-26 12:22:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-26 10:46:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ConorJS (user info) at 2007-10-25 16:07:55 EDT (#)
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There is no practical way for an unskilled and uneducated worker in Latin America to get into the US legally.
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Then enlighten ALL of us by giving us ONE good reason an unskilled and uneducated worker from another country is OUR responsibility instead of the resposibility of his OWN government?
Please?
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Because the policy of more or less open immigration was what built this nation? Just about everyone with immigrant parentage from the 1840s on is a descendant of unskilled, undereducated, and unwanted laborers.
Whatever. Regardless of how you feel about it, things won't change, and in a few decades we'll have as much Mexican blood in our nation as Irish or Italian.
Submitted by beat_raven (user info) at 2007-10-26 11:50:43 EDT (#)
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marry me, phuzzy - and it'll all be sorted :-)
~Crystle
Submitted by lover101 (user info) at 2007-10-26 11:39:01 EDT (#)
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yep
Submitted by phuzzygish (user info) at 2007-10-26 11:12:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-26 07:59:22 EDT (#)
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As far as I know, and I could be wrong, only the netherlands has a more benign immigration policy."
NOOOOOOOOO WAAAAAAAYYYY!!!!!!!!!
Dude, America has one of the most hectic immigration policies of any country!!! Trust me, even going there as a tourist is ridiculous, nevermind wanting to move there....
Submitted by mikethescottish (user info) at 2007-10-26 11:12:01 EDT (#)
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Casual racism and a relatively innocuous incident blown out of all proportion.
Meh.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-26 10:50:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-26 06:54:31 EDT (#)
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I actually like mexicans. As far as immigrating to this country for non-english speakers they usually have the easiset time assimilating.
what I hate are illegal immigrants who think because there are so many of them that it is ok.
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Ditto.
Before anyone brands me a racist do remember that my neighborhood is 70% Latino, and compared to the whites and blacks in that area the Latinos are AWESOME. Where I live they work hard, they look after their families, and they don't fuck around and cause trouble. If I had to another part of California I would seek out another Latino neighborhood like the one I am in.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-26 10:46:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ConorJS (user info) at 2007-10-25 16:07:55 EDT (#)
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There is no practical way for an unskilled and uneducated worker in Latin America to get into the US legally.
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Then enlighten ALL of us by giving us ONE good reason an unskilled and uneducated worker from another country is OUR responsibility instead of the resposibility of his OWN government?
Please?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-26 10:00:46 EDT (#)
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I missed the valerie Plame comment.
I thought it was dirty pool, but he has the power to decide what covert info can be released so it was well within the whitehouses power to release that info. I don't even get upset about it because she was not in a position where the release of that info could have hurt her. I can see her point as a whistle blower with the info she had, but there is no way she knew everything about the situation. it is like if i was an undercover cop trying to buy drugs from a suspect. Just because the suspect didn't sell to me doesn't mean he isn't selling. She found no evidence of attempts to buy yellow cake, doesn't mean that others didn't (although I wouldn;t be suprised if thewy fabricated it).
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-26 09:56:40 EDT (#)
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My apologies for assuming you are a Paulite.
We are not substantially less free than we were 8 yrs ago. You have no expectation of privacy if you call over seas, and US operatives are freely allowed to listen to those calls if the listening "station" isn't technically in the US. Yeah traveling may be more of a pain in the ass, but US security and "annoyances" have trailed behind the rest of the western world for years.
The only citizen who has been hurt by the change in the laws was Joesph Padilla. And what they tried to do to him was overturned by the courts. I think that case is a shining example of the rule of law still being there. Bush is isn't closer a king than Clinton was.
I appreciate people who are concerned over the patriot act. I have concerns too, but I don't see a decrease in my rights, or any other american's rights. fear mongering over loss of rights, to me, is just as silly as fear mongering over terrorists.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-10-26 09:37:34 EDT (#)
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Here's where I stand politically.
Our president is corrupt and should have been removed from office over the Valerie Plame issue and his inaction and incompetence surrounding it.
Ron Paul is a joke.
So is Obama, Clinton, Giuliani, Romney, and everyone else the corporations force down our throats.
We are substantially less free than we were 8 years ago, and if Bush (and all of Congress) and their corporate backers have their way, it's only gonna get worse. Bush has acted and continues to act like he is the end-all ruler of the US and will not answer to anyone. This includes Congress and the courts.
His end run around even the secret FISA courts proves that the US is moving to a system of government MUCH closer to a monarchy than you or anyone else wants to admit. Sure, we have a Congress to pass laws, but they only apply to the citizenry. There are few protections from the government.
As a result of all this, no. I will NOT call the US free. I will call it less repressive than elsewhere because that is what it is. The US has, since the 80s, moved away from inalienable rights (remember that phrase) to "we'll grant you rights unless we want to ignore them and good luck getting political appointees to back you."
I'm not saying I can, off the top of my head, think of a "better" government but ours is getting progressively worse.
Now stop putting words in my fucking mouth, indo, before I start believing the "he works for the Bushies to push their agenda ZOMGQTFBBQ" crowd.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-26 09:09:48 EDT (#)
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So since we can no longer allow unrestricted immigration the statue of liberty should be bombed? Great reasoning there Lou.
America still lets in more unskilled uneducated workers than any other country in the world. The only reason the Netherlands beats the US (per capita) is because they allow anyone who claims political refugee status (though there is a large push to change this due tot he problems it has been causing).
If we aren't free what country is? Absolute freedom doesn't exist. It is great to talk about but you can't point me to a society where it exists, because it is impossible. The US is far from perfect, but if you think it is that bad you need to grow the fuck up. the world isn't holding hands, and puppies and flowers. You think if the US wasn't involved in the middle east at all that it would be peaceful? You think if we had no military the world's problems wouldn't touch us?
Once again grow the fuck up, or if you really think it is that bad, do something about it. Where do you work? Why are wasting time on Uber if you are so opressed and could be sticking it to the man? Because you aren't opressed. You are a spoiled middle class kid who thinks it is cool to shit on the US. You have no understanding of the world outside of the US has done bad things, which it has, but that isn't the whole picture.
Let me guess you are a huge Ron paul fan, but don't know jack shit about what the gold standard would do to the economy. You are for gay and equal rights but have no problem with him being against it, or wiht him getting donations from stormfront.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-10-26 08:46:38 EDT (#)
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And I quote:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
That is not true in the U.S. anymore. And if you think it is, you're drinking the Kool-Aid, my friend. Immigration is a non-issue. "But Hadley, we spend $8B a year on illegals!" Ok, great. That's what, 15 days of war in Iraq? Back the fuck out of Iraq and we're apparently swimming in money...
The fact is, America is not "of the People, by the People and for the People" anymore. It is of the Corporations, by the Corporations and for the Corporations. Welcome to the United States of Haliburton. But given the pictures of your job, flying in military choppers and toting large weapons, that no doubt appeals to you. Constant war which CREATES the enemies it claims to want to defeat gives you amazing job security.
Don't lecture about "benign immigration laws." It is something we claim to cherish and even at one time believed in. Now the Statue of Liberty needs to be bombed BECAUSE nothing it represents is true. We don't want anyone's huddled masses, we want their educated and fuck the huddled masses. We aren't free, we're just less repressed.
Fuck you, and fuck our government.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-26 07:59:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-10-26 07:42:31 EDT (#)
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Better tear down that inscription on the Statue of Liberty before the US is sued for false advertisement.
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Uneducated and unskilled people are allowed in the US. Just not all of them.
What country are you from by the way? As far as I know, and I could be wrong, only the netherlands has a more benign immigration policy.
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Submitted by ConorJS (user info) at 2007-10-25 16:07:55 EDT (#)
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There is no practical way for an unskilled and uneducated worker in Latin America to get into the US legally.
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there is no practical way for an unskilled uneducated man to make a million dollars, does that make it ok for them to break the law and take it?
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Better tear down that inscription on the Statue of Liberty before the US is sued for false advertisement.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-26 07:00:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2007-10-25 18:39:43 EDT (#)
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in general I think the usa is fucking retardedly soft on illegal immigrants (either let them in legally, or kick them out...just make up your mind), but somehow I can't get angry at people who were stealing food and water, a tv, ya, I'd give em a good kicking, but water? let em drink man.
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These weren't hungry people stealing from a supermarket. they were stealing from a evacuee center, where people had nowhere else to go were relying on for food and shelter. Illegals were welcome there, but they chose to steal. Jack put up another link that talks about how they were taking this stuff to sell. I probably should have elaborated more in my post, but I assumed most people (in the US at least) were familiar with this. I used this story because even though these people are the scum of the earth, the article still bends over backwards with PC double speak and refuses to call them illegals.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-26 06:55:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ConorJS (user info) at 2007-10-25 16:07:55 EDT (#)
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There is no practical way for an unskilled and uneducated worker in Latin America to get into the US legally.
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there is no practical way for an unskilled uneducated man to make a million dollars, does that make it ok for them to break the law and take it?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-26 06:54:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by beeltea (user info) at 2007-10-26 00:06:31 EDT (#)
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hey! A plus two for giving people a forum to banty around ideas, even though you are a mexican-hater.
and uniter, you son of a bitch, mexico was not COMPLETELY stolen. We did buy SOME of it... And a lot was was stolen by Texas, too. Blame the Texans.
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I actually like mexicans. As far as immigrating to this country for non-english speakers they usually have the easiset time assimilating.
what I hate are illegal immigrants who think because there are so many of them that it is ok.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-26 04:09:53 EDT (#)
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The Indians came over the Siberian land bridge and stole America from the animals. Give it back to the bison and the bear!
Submitted by greEn_uGly (user info) at 2007-10-26 02:57:26 EDT (#)
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stealing is bad.
you are right.
Submitted by HotWillie (user info) at 2007-10-26 02:16:02 EDT (#)
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And don't forget we stole the US from the Indians.
Everybody dance!
Submitted by beeltea (user info) at 2007-10-26 00:06:31 EDT (#)
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hey! A plus two for giving people a forum to banty around ideas, even though you are a mexican-hater.
and uniter, you son of a bitch, mexico was not COMPLETELY stolen. We did buy SOME of it... And a lot was was stolen by Texas, too. Blame the Texans.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-25 22:36:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-10-25 19:18:46 EDT (#)
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actually jack, i do have files on you. and they are voluminous, my angry leprechaun.
i work for the INS, and it has come to our attention you are an illegal immigrant.
please report to our sf office posthaste.
i have files, jack.
we call yours the xx files because of your feminine chromosome.
open up sweetheart, daddy's home.
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What a fuckin dork.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2007-10-25 21:45:01 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
All I wanted was a Pepsi.
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-10-25 21:37:02 EDT (#)
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I had it narrowed down to two for a long time. But when sd was mentioned and not lv, I finally figured it out. Forgive me for being slow. Sometimes, I have better things to do. It was bugging me, though.
Submitted by Wildman (user info) at 2007-10-25 21:25:18 EDT (#)
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not badass, just no sulfa
i mean, why in the fuck would we need that for?
let alone carry ALL that weight!
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-10-25 21:12:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-25 19:08:54 EDT (#)
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I thought it WAS bourbon. Course I only drink Old Crow, so what the fuck do I know.
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Old Crow. <shivers>
I remember THAT hangover. Birthday. 1995. Grand Canyon. Haven't touched it since. Try some Old Grand Dad.
I've never had maggots under my skin though. We young-folk have been too coddled and are, hence, weak and not cool. My Old Grand Dad was a one of Darby's Rangers though. So I'm 1/4 badass.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-10-25 20:54:32 EDT (#)
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i just skimmed through the reviews.
holy wow!
i gotta hand it to americans, they are talented at turning anything into a partisan shit fest.
can you teach me how to have conniptions over the most retarded shit too?
Submitted by Wildman (user info) at 2007-10-25 20:46:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-10-25 17:01:26 EDT (#)
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I once saw a cowboy open a pack of cheese and peanut butter crackers. They had about 10 or so maggots (or some such) on them. He just picked them off and ate the crackers. Awesome
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i once had maggies in my arm when i was out on a LERP, in a no-go zone in SEA
they worked wonders but tickled like a mo-fo
it's one of my ugliest scars...out of about 2 dozen
Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2007-10-25 20:39:50 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Fuck you lot love to have half-informed bitchfests where you assail each other with your basic political platforms until you're hoarse.
Profiteering during an emergency is wrong. Period. End of story. STFU all of you.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-10-25 20:29:56 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
six douchebags you wouldn't bother to mention if they weren't illegals.
assholes are common, especially during a crisis.
you make me ZZZzzZZZzzz sometimes
Submitted by Tom (user info) at 2007-10-25 20:28:32 EDT (#)
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If they were black people you wouldn't say that.
That's right, darkies, you just got bumped up.
Submitted by beeltea (user info) at 2007-10-25 19:40:56 EDT (#)
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it's only bourbon if it's from kentucky.
I was going to say something else but i forgot what it was.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2007-10-25 19:21:07 EDT (#)
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1) the fact that mexico sucks and that's why mexicans come here is indisputable and obvious
2) this theft is theft, and it's illegal, I don't see how anyone could possibly argue that point
3) who fucking cares you redneck faggots
Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-10-25 19:18:46 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
actually jack, i do have files on you. and they are voluminous, my angry leprechaun.
i work for the INS, and it has come to our attention you are an illegal immigrant.
please report to our sf office posthaste.
i have files, jack.
we call yours the xx files because of your feminine chromosome.
open up sweetheart, daddy's home.
Submitted by beeltea (user info) at 2007-10-25 19:17:08 EDT (#)
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ANDELE ANDELE! LA MIGRA!
TORA TORA TORA!
OLE!
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-25 19:09:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-10-25 19:06:13 EDT (#)
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i'm coming for you jack
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It's how many times a day that has me worried.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-25 19:08:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-10-25 19:06:51 EDT (#)
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Actually, that is kind of creepy. I didn't even know you were Canadian. Maybe that explains you calling Jack Daniels bourbon. You are forgiven.
Time for my nap. I'm old. I get to take naps.
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I thought it WAS bourbon. Course I only drink Old Crow, so what the fuck do I know.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2007-10-25 19:07:20 EDT (#)
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I want a peanut butter & grape jelly sammich.
or an avocado, sprout, tomato, lettuce sammich on lightly toasted bread.
Por favor
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-10-25 19:06:51 EDT (#)
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Actually, that is kind of creepy. I didn't even know you were Canadian. Maybe that explains you calling Jack Daniels bourbon. You are forgiven.
Time for my nap. I'm old. I get to take naps.
Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-10-25 19:06:13 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
i'm coming for you jack
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-25 19:04:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-10-25 18:47:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-10-25 18:07:10 EDT (#)
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it's kinda entertaining to see the uniter get involved in a debate. these are probably the most verbal reviews of his you'll find on one post.
makes me wonder if he's a beaner.
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While I would gladly forsake my race, nay, even gender, to irritate McCallum...alas, no.
Speaking of which:
Arsonists are typically from dysfunctional families, often with one parent in particular having a poor relationship with the child due to alcoholism. They are most often angry white males, with delusions of grandeur and persecution. 75% of those arsonists prone to set wildfires drive small, feminine pick-ups and self-publish their own novels.
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You know what I find fascinating? The fact that guys like The Uniter remember ALL these little details about me. Shit, I can't remember squat about any of the ubermasses (no offense intended) but Caulaincourt and The Uniter and Caul's little ass-friend no1hasdis and ThoreauMe and KindaNews (who could all be the same person for all I know) remember all this stuff, like stalkers, maintaining little files that they add to whenever I mention something about my background. And then they try to spin a lame joke out of it, but the bones of the joke are an obsessive all-encompassing knowledge of... me.
That is some creepy shit.
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-10-25 18:52:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-25 18:48:52 EDT (#)
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IS AT LEAST ONE OF YOU SINGLE-MINDED LIBERAL TARDS GONNA LAY BLAME FOR THE STATE OF MEXICO'S PEOPLE WITH THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT WHICH IS OFFERING THEM NO HELP AND NO OPTION BUT TO COME HERE? JESUS CHRIST, PEOPLE! IT ISN'T OUR FUCKING FAULT, NOR IS IT OUR RESPONSIBILITY!
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Um, I think I did that. But it's the Mexican Gov't in cahoots with big business which owns the American gov't. Sheesh.
I said "in cahoots." Funny.
TheUniter made me laugh for the second time today. A day, during which I think I got 2 1/2 hours of work done.
Thanks Uber. Taking food from the kid's mouth now. Bastards.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-25 18:48:52 EDT (#)
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IS AT LEAST ONE OF YOU SINGLE-MINDED LIBERAL TARDS GONNA LAY BLAME FOR THE STATE OF MEXICO'S PEOPLE WITH THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT WHICH IS OFFERING THEM NO HELP AND NO OPTION BUT TO COME HERE? JESUS CHRIST, PEOPLE! IT ISN'T OUR FUCKING FAULT, NOR IS IT OUR RESPONSIBILITY!
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2007-10-25 18:47:18 EDT (#)
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"What they were doing was taking those supplies and selling them"
Okay, changed my mind, burn em.
Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-10-25 18:47:16 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-10-25 18:07:10 EDT (#)
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it's kinda entertaining to see the uniter get involved in a debate. these are probably the most verbal reviews of his you'll find on one post.
makes me wonder if he's a beaner.
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While I would gladly forsake my race, nay, even gender, to irritate McCallum...alas, no.
Speaking of which:
Arsonists are typically from dysfunctional families, often with one parent in particular having a poor relationship with the child due to alcoholism. They are most often angry white males, with delusions of grandeur and persecution. 75% of those arsonists prone to set wildfires drive small, feminine pick-ups and self-publish their own novels.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-25 18:46:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2007-10-25 18:39:43 EDT (#)
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in general I think the usa is fucking retardedly soft on illegal immigrants (either let them in legally, or kick them out...just make up your mind), but somehow I can't get angry at people who were stealing food and water, a tv, ya, I'd give em a good kicking, but water? let em drink man.
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Woody, the point and source of the anger is this - if they were starving and ASKED for food and drink they would have gotten it. It was a relief center! These guys were loading relief supplies into a van to SELL elsewhere. There is one hell of a difference.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-25 18:44:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by beeltea (user info) at 2007-10-25 18:34:17 EDT (#)
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yeah they were stealing, and stealing is wrong, but I seriously doubt if they give a shit. I certainly would. They're just as desperate as the refugees, and they've been at it longer.
"Oh, you say your two story house burned down? I know the feeling, ese. My shanty fell down again yesterday. I'll think I'll be taking this water bottle now."
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The Difference?
Mexico: Your house fell down in a quake/burned/was blown away? FUCK YOU! ANDELE! GO SLEEP IN THE STREET LIKE A DOG!
USA: Well, citizen, you are in luck, thanks to generous donations from private parties AND welfare agencies and emergency services funded by Mr. & Mrs. American Taxpayer. It may take a while to cut through the red tape, but in the meantime we'll shelter and feed you the best we can.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2007-10-25 18:39:43 EDT (#)
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in general I think the usa is fucking retardedly soft on illegal immigrants (either let them in legally, or kick them out...just make up your mind), but somehow I can't get angry at people who were stealing food and water, a tv, ya, I'd give em a good kicking, but water? let em drink man.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-25 18:37:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by lechuza (user info) at 2007-10-25 18:18:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-25 15:59:22 EDT (#)
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No, I wasn't born here, but I did CHOOSE to come here.
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Fuck 'em all dirty inmigrants, right jack?
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You lose points for not paying attention.
I came here legally. It's the ones who break the law and enter the country ILlegally that piss me off. Ther are a LOT of Canadians in the bay area illegally. They piss me off too. I have no problem with legal immigrants no matter what country they are from. Legal immigration thins out the mentally deficient (THEN HOW'D YOU GET IN MCCALLUM AHAHAHAHA!!!!) and strengthens the workforce.
Submitted by beeltea (user info) at 2007-10-25 18:35:02 EDT (#)
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certainly wouldn't I meant
Submitted by beeltea (user info) at 2007-10-25 18:34:17 EDT (#)
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yeah they were stealing, and stealing is wrong, but I seriously doubt if they give a shit. I certainly would. They're just as desperate as the refugees, and they've been at it longer.
"Oh, you say your two story house burned down? I know the feeling, ese. My shanty fell down again yesterday. I'll think I'll be taking this water bottle now."
Submitted by St_Jimmy (user info) at 2007-10-25 18:33:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-25 16:03:45 EDT (#)
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If they want security enter the country legally.
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I have to think that there's a whole lot more to it than that. Granted, I know absolutely NOTHING about what it takes to legally enter this country and obtain U.S. citizenship. It seems to me, however, that if it was a simple choice between going through door #1 legally or through door #2 illegally, the benefits of legal entry would result in no logical person choosing door #2.
I don't think there are any advantages to being illegal, besides not paying taxes. Then again, I'm sure that the shitty, low paying jobs you'd have to take because you don't have a SSN would more than counteract the savings of not paying taxes.
In any case, punishing petty theft of a few hundred dollars of food with death would be considered excessive, even for a muslim country. You must really dislike brown people.
Submitted by lechuza (user info) at 2007-10-25 18:18:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-25 15:59:22 EDT (#)
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No, I wasn't born here, but I did CHOOSE to come here.
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Fuck 'em all dirty inmigrants, right jack?
Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2007-10-25 18:15:07 EDT (#)
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they're hungry too, what's the difference?
not that I disagree, just playing devil's advocate for the sake of conversation.
Submitted by swamp_donkey (user info) at 2007-10-25 18:09:05 EDT (#)
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BURN THEM ALLLLLLL
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-10-25 18:07:10 EDT (#)
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it's kinda entertaining to see the uniter get involved in a debate. these are probably the most verbal reviews of his you'll find on one post.
makes me wonder if he's a beaner.
:D
Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-10-25 17:05:40 EDT (#)
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And who do you think started some of the fires?
Some crazy fucking WHITE guy.
Probably some angry, self-published racist.
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-10-25 17:01:26 EDT (#)
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I once saw a cowboy open a pack of cheese and peanut butter crackers. They had about 10 or so maggots (or some such) on them. He just picked them off and ate the crackers. Awesome.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2007-10-25 16:58:06 EDT (#)
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Fly larvae is gross, Lung. Quit talking about them.
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-10-25 16:54:21 EDT (#)
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Maggots don't actually breed. I just realized that.
Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-10-25 16:49:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2007-10-25 16:14:49 EDT (#)
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Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-10-25 11:48:46 PDT (#)
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WE STOLE CALIFORNIA FROM MEXICO
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Actually, you're wrong Thorny, it was orignally part of the Spanish Empire.
Not when we stole it.
The Mexicans won their independence from Spain long before we annexed Texas and all hell broke loose, which led to us taking Texas AND California from Mexico.
Manifest Destiny.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2007-10-25 16:45:26 EDT (#)
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Give 'em the sammiches.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-25 16:36:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-10-25 16:16:21 EDT (#)
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I don't get it. When Irish immigrants came here packed on boats like rats, and when they stole, it was just America developing into a country..
But somehow it's worse because this lot is Mexican? I fail to see a difference.
Yeah they stole, it was wrong. But they were probably starved and needed to be in a shelter anyway. Anyone would to feed their family, myself included.
They're leaving a harsh country to try and start a new life, it was ok in the 1700s, but why not now?
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Is this a serious question?
The country was just developing then, and didn't have the hundreds of millions it has now. Now the infrastructure will be strained to the breaking point if we continually allow.... aw fuck it, go back to school.
PS - In the 1700s it was okay to
Split open a goat and read your future in its guts
Burn an old lady at the stake just because she lived alone and the crops went bad
Hang a 10 year old boy if he stole a loaf of bread
Cut open a vein and bleed out ill humors, bad spirits, etc.
Submitted by DangerPants (user info) at 2007-10-25 16:36:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-10-25 16:16:21 EDT (#)
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I don't get it. When Irish immigrants came here packed on boats like rats, and when they stole, it was just America developing into a country..
But somehow it's worse because this lot is Mexican? I fail to see a difference.
Yeah they stole, it was wrong. But they were probably starved and needed to be in a shelter anyway. Anyone would to feed their family, myself included.
They're leaving a harsh country to try and start a new life, it was ok in the 1700s, but why not now?
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There weren't many huge boatloads of Irish coming over in the 1700. America wasn't America till 1776. The Irish began in waves because of the potato famine in the mid-1800's. They were processed through Ellis Island (such as it was at the time) and were deemed citizens by the reigning government of whitey. They also spoke the language. Sort of.
Wetbacks jumping the border isn't the same thing. I won't say anything about them stealing jobs from honest Americans or anything, because that's ridiculous. Yeah, if there were no mexicans around, there would be more jobs, but they're crappy jobs that nobody wants to do anyway. But they don't speak the language, they can't communicate with the "natives" to the area, they can rarely read and write. They are not an asset to our country, yet they sneak in by the hundreds of thousands yearly. That is illegal activity.
Besides... aren't pretty much all Mexicans Catholic anyway? And too poor for birth control? If they hate their country so much, bloody rebellion. Instead of taking what others have worked for, make what you have better.
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-10-25 16:33:06 EDT (#)
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Alright. Nobody is going to stop the immigration.
It's good for American big business, particularly agribusiness, which demands cheap (and hardworking, I might add) labor.
It's also good for a number of small businesses, who hire the illegals and pay them a pittance. I sometimes work with contractors who hire nobody buy non-English speakers. (I only assume they're illegal, however.)
Neither Mexico, nor the US and multinational corporations really *want* the standard of living raised significantly in Mexico. This would mean higher wages as well as, eventually, a more powerful lower class (yes, I said "class"), and well you can just fuck that. What incentive does business have relocating to Mexico if they have to pay a livable wage? With such miserable conditions as there are in much of Mexico, the people wanting to leave will only grow with natural population increase.
Those fuckers breed like fuckin' maggots. In part, you can blame the fuckin' Church. But only in part.
Who is most against immigration in the US? American traditionalists. Not the Republicans in power. Not the Democrats in power. Not big business, who runs the whole show.
Nothing wrong with being an American traditionalist, but in this fight, you've got nobody with any real power on your side. Good luck trying the fight the tide with a few ranchers on quad-runners and the Border "Patrol." Nice going with the fence too. A fucking fence. Jesus Christ.
Best try to adapt gracefully. Your grandchildren are going to be part Hispanic.
I wish they'd fix our server.
Submitted by Tuxinator (user info) at 2007-10-25 16:28:47 EDT (#)
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I fail to see how this is America's, or any American citizen's, fault that some illegal mexicans came to our country to steal our stuff and get caught. Don't they have food and water to steal in mexico?
P.S. Notice the capitolization of America and the lack of capitolization in mexico...that's how much I care about some stupid wetbacks.
Submitted by SunnyG (user info) at 2007-10-25 16:16:21 EDT (#)
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I don't get it. When Irish immigrants came here packed on boats like rats, and when they stole, it was just America developing into a country..
But somehow it's worse because this lot is Mexican? I fail to see a difference.
Yeah they stole, it was wrong. But they were probably starved and needed to be in a shelter anyway. Anyone would to feed their family, myself included.
They're leaving a harsh country to try and start a new life, it was ok in the 1700s, but why not now?
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2007-10-25 16:14:49 EDT (#)
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Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-10-25 11:48:46 PDT (#)
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WE STOLE CALIFORNIA FROM MEXICO
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Actually, you're wrong Thorny, it was orignally part of the Spanish Empire.
And by the way, it's a lot more than 6 people stealing things - there are trucks going around, looting people's houses that have evacuated. I've talked to people who have had it happen to them.
Submitted by ConorJS (user info) at 2007-10-25 16:07:55 EDT (#)
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There is no practical way for an unskilled and uneducated worker in Latin America to get into the US legally.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-25 16:03:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Wildman (user info) at 2007-10-25 15:52:10 EDT (#)
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even odds they all worked in agi business as pickers of avacados thus they're defacto temporary residents
40% off the that crop is toast and the growers certaintly aren't going to provide any severance package so.....
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No they aren't. no matter what they were doing here it was illegal, and i don't have adrop of sympathy for them if their avacado picking plans fell through. You don't think they will be able to get another job in one week cleaning up the fucking mess? Even if they couldn't, fuck them. If they want security enter the country legally.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-25 16:01:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ConorJS (user info) at 2007-10-25 15:42:57 EDT (#)
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A couple of poor fucking illegals, scared that they'll need to show some kind of documentation to be allowed to eat, stole some food and water. So they cut a line, maybe they even knew they could have gotten it legally - are they committing genocide? And I would say that the federal government could take the hit better than a mom and pop grocery/deli store.
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Actually bi-lingual signs made it pretty clear that they were welcome.
No they aren't comitting genocide, but in a crisis situation like that people who do cut lines, or steal, or take more than their share should get more punishment than in regular times,not less.
I am sure the fed could take the hit, but what about the people in the center? How long do you think it owuld have supplies if every tard who thought he deserved it could drive ny and take whatevr supplies they wanted?
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-25 15:59:22 EDT (#)
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Citizen since... christ, more than a decade, anyhow.
No, I wasn't born here, but I did CHOOSE to come here.
I love it here.
Well, not fuckin California, but the USA.
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-10-25 15:53:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-25 15:50:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-10-25 15:15:32 EDT (#)
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i'm now kinda wondering if jack's a citizen or permanent resident or what.
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Get a life. Or read through all the 10,879 comments I've posted in the last 3 years for the few where I have addressed this question whenever Caulaincourt got his little French panties in a bunch.
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it was actual curiosity.
Submitted by Wildman (user info) at 2007-10-25 15:52:10 EDT (#)
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even odds they all worked in agi business as pickers of avacados thus they're defacto temporary residents
40% off the that crop is toast and the growers certaintly aren't going to provide any severance package so.....
stock up so you don't starve during the drive to the next upcoming harvest
or....
they lost their load of black-tar heroin and Felix is going to kill each and everyone of them unless they steal enough food and gas to make it to Canada
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-25 15:50:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-10-25 15:15:32 EDT (#)
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i'm now kinda wondering if jack's a citizen or permanent resident or what.
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Get a life. Or read through all the 10,879 comments I've posted in the last 3 years for the few where I have addressed this question whenever Caulaincourt got his little French panties in a bunch.
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-10-25 15:45:19 EDT (#)
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nurrr
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-10-25 15:44:36 EDT (#)
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*oh fuck this
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-10-25 15:44:14 EDT (#)
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One thing not being mentioned is that one of the reasons Mexico is so fucked up...
...of fuck this.
Submitted by ConorJS (user info) at 2007-10-25 15:42:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:18:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ConorJS (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:02:58 EDT (#)
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"Stealing food and water"
Let's consider that one for a bit. Food and water are things people need to live. Food and water are not cars and tvs. Hmmm...
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So it is ok to steal if you need it to live?
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...Yes.
A couple of poor fucking illegals, scared that they'll need to show some kind of documentation to be allowed to eat, stole some food and water. So they cut a line, maybe they even knew they could have gotten it legally - are they committing genocide? And I would say that the federal government could take the hit better than a mom and pop grocery/deli store.
Submitted by Rhymenocerous (user info) at 2007-10-25 15:42:16 EDT (#)
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Labeling people as a labelist because they label you, then talking about hypocrites. I love it.
Immigrants are people, too. Illegal or legal. If you're starving and need food, you do what is necessary to survive. However, they could have just asked for food instead of stealing it. I mean, 6 immigrants steal food, say one or two more see them stealing so they go and steal... other people see more people stealing.. see what I'm getting at here? It could have snowballed into a riot but it didn't. It's really not that big of an issue when you think about it. Homeless people stealing free food from other homeless people when they could have just asked and gotten it anyways.
I think the real problem is Mexico is such a shit hole that it forces its own citizens to run to America in search of a better life. That's what America was founded on, though. People running from tyranny and oppression to find a better life. Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness doesn't apply to only people with light colored skin and the proper paperwork. It applies to everyone. Maybe if Mexico wasn't such a mess, people would like living there. Place the blame on the Mexican government for creating this shit-storm. Don't blame starving human beings who are trying to survive and make a living.
Grow up.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-10-25 15:30:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DangerPants (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:50:51 EDT (#)
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One thing I have noticed about MudWhistle is that he disagrees with every single view that anyone puts forth. I'd be willing to lay money that if a post popped up about this issue that was from the other point of view, he would camp on that one also and argue with the person.
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Shut the fuck up, Rowan.
Submitted by triangle_man (user info) at 2007-10-25 15:29:23 EDT (#)
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well, this certainly garnered some heat
pun intended
Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-10-25 15:20:06 EDT (#)
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SHOW US YOUR PAPERS JACK
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-10-25 15:15:32 EDT (#)
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i'm now kinda wondering if jack's a citizen or permanent resident or what.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-25 15:14:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:57:44 EDT (#)
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Its easy to focus on the bad one's thats what the news does. Ever notice that the one or two stories about someone that did something right come at the end of the news after all the tragedy and death?
Because good fucking news doesn't sell airtime.
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Whoops. Missed that, and you are right, sadly enough.
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-10-25 15:12:19 EDT (#)
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I don't know why I said that.
KILL WHITEY!!!
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-10-25 15:11:09 EDT (#)
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GIVE IRELAND BACK TO THE IRISH!!!
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-25 15:10:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:57:44 EDT (#)
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no, you're right Jack, I hardly read the newspapers nor do I watch much news.
Mainly because I find it all a little to pointed.
Example...here we are talking about 6 illegals that came to our country and did something bad....6 out of how many? 6 out of how many that you or I might know that came here and did something with themselves?
Its easy to focus on the bad one's thats what the news does. Ever notice that the one or two stories about someone that did something right come at the end of the news after all the tragedy and death?
Because good fucking news doesn't sell airtime.
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I think most illegals are here for a better life and probbably want to contribute, unfortunately many illegals are her to break the law. Look at how many illegal immigrants are in california's (almost half) jails, and that is not even taking into account the laws they broke by just entering this country. Across the nation illegal immigrants make up almost 1/5 of the prisoners. These aren't people locked up for being here illegally, they are people who came here and committed a felony. The news should be reporting this every night.
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/27/114208.shtml
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-25 15:08:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-10-25 15:05:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:56:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:48:46 EDT (#)
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WE STOLE CALIFORNIA FROM MEXICO FIRST
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We didn't steal anything, shitbird.
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I said WE you fucking self-published Canadian.
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What the FUCK are you talking about, Mr. Hides Behind an Alter?
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-25 15:07:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:57:44 EDT (#)
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Example...here we are talking about 6 illegals that came to our country and did something bad....6 out of how many? 6 out of how many that you or I might know that came here and did something with themselves?
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Well, they ARE illegals, therefore they are ALL bad.
They ain't no such thang as gray in mah world.
Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-10-25 15:05:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:56:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:48:46 EDT (#)
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WE STOLE CALIFORNIA FROM MEXICO FIRST
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We didn't steal anything, shitbird.
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I said WE you fucking self-published Canadian.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:57:44 EDT (#)
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no, you're right Jack, I hardly read the newspapers nor do I watch much news.
Mainly because I find it all a little to pointed.
Example...here we are talking about 6 illegals that came to our country and did something bad....6 out of how many? 6 out of how many that you or I might know that came here and did something with themselves?
Its easy to focus on the bad one's thats what the news does. Ever notice that the one or two stories about someone that did something right come at the end of the news after all the tragedy and death?
Because good fucking news doesn't sell airtime.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:56:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:48:46 EDT (#)
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WE STOLE CALIFORNIA FROM MEXICO FIRST
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We didn't steal anything, shitbird.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:53:28 EDT (#)
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its not so much that i disagree but that I'd like to see it presented better.
yes there is a problem with immigration but in the midst of all these fires it is not the time to deal with it.
yes it is wrong to steal but what were the situations surrounding what happened?
anyway, I have two assholes, they're hard to hide.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:52:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:42:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:38:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:25:57 EDT (#)
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I will ignore the fact that the problem lies with the Mexican government and somehow try to make this the fault of America alone.
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add as many subjects to the post as you like mccallum to make sure if fits neatly into your view of things but i'm sticking to these 6 people ok
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What the hell do you think I'm talking about, you blinders-wearing douchebag?
These illegals are here illegally because their own government is corrupt and inept and their social services are a complete mess. THAT is the fault of the Mexican government, not the American government. Not to mention the fact that their gov't does nothing to stop Mexicans from illegally entering our country while calling our attepmts to build border fences and wall unjust.
Do you read ANYTHING in the newspapers besides the fucking sports page?
Here's another fun tidbit along the same lines...
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Discount airlines fly migrants to U.S. border
By Chris Hawley, USA TODAY
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-10-11-migrant-air_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip
MEXICALI, Mexico — New Mexican discount airlines are using rock-bottom fares to cater to legal and illegal migrants heading for the USA.
The airlines — known among fliers as Aeromigrante, or "Migrant Air" — take passengers from central or southern Mexico to cities along the northern border such as Tijuana and Mexicali. From there, customers make their way across the U.S. border.
The flights are part of a booming services industry for the estimated 13 million Mexican and Central American migrants who reside in the USA. Passengers who used to make bus trips of several days can arrive at the border well-rested for the often dangerous crossing.
Return flights south are often nearly empty of passengers, and some routes offer only one-way service. One of the airlines, Tijuana-based Avolar, estimates that 70% of its customers have the USA as their final destination.
"The most productive routes we have are cities where you have those passengers who are traveling with the idea of the American dream," said Luis Ceceña, a company spokesman.
Other budget carriers such as Volaris, Interjet and Click have started operations in the past two years and make air travel affordable to poorer Mexicans. One-way flights to Tijuana from central Mexico cost about $150, half what they did a few years ago.
"It's much more comfortable than the bus, and about the same price," said Leopoldo Torres, 37, of Mexico City, as he stretched his legs aboard a Volaris flight to Mexicali. He and a traveling companion, Julio Menéndez, planned to cross into the USA illegally through the California desert.
Migrants said another factor driving them to fly is the difficulty of crossing the border as the United States builds fences and adds Border Patrol agents. Smugglers who aid their journey have doubled their fees to $2,000 or more, making an airline ticket seem less expensive, said Guillermo Hernández of Guerrero.
Some airlines try to get even more migrant business. Avolar offers Greyhound bus connections from Tijuana to Fresno, where many migrants work on farms. Aero California takes payments through Western Union, used by many migrants to send money home.
Ceceña said the airlines should not be responsible for policing their passengers. "We have a saying in Mexico: 'Let the other hens cackle; you take care of your own eggs,' " he said. "It's a good business for us, and we're going to keep taking care of those customers."
(Hawley is Latin America correspondent for USA TODAY and The Arizona Republic.)
Submitted by DangerPants (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:50:51 EDT (#)
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One thing I have noticed about MudWhistle is that he disagrees with every single view that anyone puts forth. I'd be willing to lay money that if a post popped up about this issue that was from the other point of view, he would camp on that one also and argue with the person.
+1 because I understand what you're getting at, but people are right... this needed a link or more back story or something.
Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:48:46 EDT (#)
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WE STOLE CALIFORNIA FROM MEXICO FIRST SO FUCK YOU I THINK A VANLOAD BREAD AND WATER FOR A PLACE WHERE BRITNEY SPEARS CAN LIVE IN HARMONY WITH JACK MCCALLUM IS A GOOD DEAL
Submitted by beat_raven (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:47:19 EDT (#)
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irony
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:07:52 EDT (#)
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what I'm saying is how about a little level headedness in our reactions to things
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:47:18 EDT (#)
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oh and i might be a liberal pussy, I mean I don't have a membership card or anything so if you could explain the definition to me I could back to you on that.
Lemme see, hunting license, NRA card, fishing license....um...I'm not seeing the LIberal Pussy Association card, sorry.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:46:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:37:47 EDT (#)
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how could i forget it if it wasn't posted here dipshit?
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Maybe I didn't post the best article, but this shit is all over the news...
The reason I chose this one was because of the overly careful language they used to describe people who make the average illegal immigrant look like shit. Even when they are talking about the bottom rung of illegal immigrants they are afraid to use accurate discriptions.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:45:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:43:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:40:34 EDT (#)
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Nor do you have a basis for the food not being left alone or there not being enough but you'll take a quick little look at the situation and make an immediate knee jerk reaction to it now won't you. I asked you in my first response for more details.
that fact that you immediately label people as dirty or animals speaks volumes about how you view things.
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No but I do have a basis for knowing illegals were welcome, and signs in spanish saying as much. i doubt the food would have been left alone, otherwise how would the cops have been called.
I am completely comfortable labeling someone who steals from an evacuee shelter where they would be welcomed as a dirty animal (and this has nothing with them being illegal immigrants).
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so you could have said all of that in your post then and not acted like Fox News and spun it however you saw fit?
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:44:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:40:07 EDT (#)
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Hey, MR. LIBERAL PUSSY, if someone breaks into your home and steals your TV and computer I hope when the cops roll up to take your report they say, "Well, Mr. Mudwhistle, it is your own fault for having such nice things when they have nothing."
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NO I would not like that.
see how I answered your hypothetical situation.
but by bringing one up of my own i'm LABELED as a sympathizer
you are so hypocritical it spills out your fucking ears
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:43:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:40:34 EDT (#)
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Nor do you have a basis for the food not being left alone or there not being enough but you'll take a quick little look at the situation and make an immediate knee jerk reaction to it now won't you. I asked you in my first response for more details.
that fact that you immediately label people as dirty or animals speaks volumes about how you view things.
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No but I do have a basis for knowing illegals were welcome, and signs in spanish saying as much. i doubt the food would have been left alone, otherwise how would the cops have been called.
I am completely comfortable labeling someone who steals from an evacuee shelter where they would be welcomed as a dirty animal (and this has nothing with them being illegal immigrants).
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:42:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:38:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:25:57 EDT (#)
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I will ignore the fact that the problem lies with the Mexican government and somehow try to make this the fault of America alone.
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add as many subjects to the post as you like mccallum to make sure if fits neatly into your view of things but i'm sticking to these 6 people ok
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:40:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:35:49 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:25:57 EDT (#)
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ok indo, here's a hypothetical for you
you are one of the six..um...what did you call them...dirty wetbacks. ok you're one of them and you are hungry, tired, without food or a job or money and you stumble upon a large pile of foodstuffs and water. no one is watching the supplies and even if they were you wouldn't want to talk to them because they might start asking questions and you are undocumented. So here you are, seeing more than enough food..i mean obviously right because no one is eating it or watching so you take some. not much but enough to fill your starved belly.
should i burn you alive?
or should i maybe talk to you and say 'hey look man, we're not arresting people here today we're feeding them. you don't have to steal, we'll give you some you don't have to take it.'
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That is a great scenario, but complete BS. You have no basis for the food being alone or out in the open. How do you know there is more than enough there, do you know how many people they have to feed in the center? I am guessing you aren't from california, or haven't been watching any news about those centers. There are signs in spanish everywhere.
Even if your scenario was true, I still say fuck them. They deserve to be arrested. It is still a dangerous situation and people running around like animals stealing anything they want could cause a lot of trouble.
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Nor do you have a basis for the food not being left alone or there not being enough but you'll take a quick little look at the situation and make an immediate knee jerk reaction to it now won't you. I asked you in my first response for more details.
that fact that you immediately label people as dirty or animals speaks volumes about how you view things.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:40:07 EDT (#)
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Hey, MR. LIBERAL PUSSY, if someone breaks into your home and steals your TV and computer I hope when the cops roll up to take your report they say, "Well, Mr. Mudwhistle, it is your own fault for having such nice things when they have nothing."
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-10-25 14:40:07 EDT (#)