The term "Atheist" is meaningless. (1485 hits)
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Submitted by Respek! (View user info) at 2007-10-30 05:03:41 EDT
the term "Atheist" has religious connotations thereby rendering it contradictory to the word's definition.
The correct term is "realist" or "pragmatic" or "not an idiot"
Do the world a favor, blow up your local church.
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Submitted by Danger_Ranger (user info) at 2007-11-04 04:21:27 EST (#)
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my ex-wife had a diagree, but we still had two kids.
Submitted by beeltea (user info) at 2007-11-04 04:04:23 EST (#)
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I have no idea how that happened. I like to think my reviews are so powerful they need to be posted twice.
Submitted by beeltea (user info) at 2007-11-04 04:02:19 EST (#)
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well I disagree with blowing up your local church. That seems a bit extreme.
Seriously, just go back to posting puppy pics.
Submitted by beeltea (user info) at 2007-11-04 04:01:51 EST (#)
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well I diagree with blowing up your local church. That seems a bit extreme.
Seriously, just go back to posting puppy pics.
Submitted by netimportant (user info) at 2007-11-04 03:44:20 EST (#)
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Mary was a whore and Jesus was gay.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2007-11-04 03:26:37 EST (#)
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youre jsut making suppositions based upon no fact.
for example, you seem to be assuming i believe in god. i dont. however, i realise that my choice of non-belief is based upon the same flimsy ground that religion is based upon. people beleive in a god because they have faith. i do not beleive in god because i do not have faith. it is as simple as that.
as i said the existence of god is not provable, and neither is the non-existence of god provable. making any other statement is purely conjecture. the 'evidence' found or created thus far to 'disprove' the existence of a god is completely insufficient.
no, phallic, i didnt get a philosophy degree (i didnt even do any units of philosophy - and im sure it shows.), i did arts with an english major. however, this discussion is pretty cut and dried. what i said above is pretty difficult to dispute. though, i would be interested in seeing it disputed well. this is not because i think ive made some flawless argument or anything, i would genuinely like to have another reason to not beleive in a god other than a lack of faith.
Submitted by Worm (user info) at 2007-11-02 13:18:24 EDT (#)
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"your supposition is based upon you believing you are inherently right and the other is iherently wrong, with no evidence other than the appearance of a spurious nature to the claims."
I reject God and Jesus for the same reason you reject Thor and Posiden. Do you have any claims about Thor and Posiden? My guess is that your only claim on the subject is that it's unreasonable to believe in them. I feel the same way about your God(s).
"your logic is flawed. merely because you may sound more reasonable in the eyes of this society it does not mean what you take to be true is right."
It's not that I *sound* more reasonable, it's that I am more reasonable. How could I possibly be less reasonable than this?
God (man) impregenates a virgin (woman) to create a child (man). Child gets tortured by creation, dies, comes back to life along with thousands of others in the region, he talks to his friends before fly into the sky, through the cosmos (or dimensions?) and into eternal paradise to join his father. His death was currency exchanged for the burden of our sins (including the ones we haven't commited yet, and of people who's parents are not yet concieved). He'll come again some day to damn the heathens to eternal torture, and the believers to paradise.
I'm not sure I could make a crazier story if I tried. At least the elephants didn't disguise their progeny as human and set him up to be killed in excruciating pain only to scapegoat his suffering and guilt the world into faith.
Are we prepared to abandon the stance that belief and disbelief are equally reasonable?
Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2007-11-02 12:29:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2007-11-01 22:19:59 EDT (#)
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your supposition is based upon you believing you are inherently right and the other is iherently wrong, with no evidence other than the appearance of a spurious nature to the claims.
your logic is flawed. merely because you may sound more reasonable in the eyes of this society it does not mean what you take to be true is right.
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Didn't you say you'd done your philosophy degree? I've only got 2 credit points on that degree (I'm doing arts/law so i have a lot of work left) but if you think you've finished a degree in Philosophy then you're really WAY off. I'm not even talking about JS Mill talking about the liberal/personal situation but Wittgensein and Peirce and the pragmatists is some really badass thinking. If you wanna properly argue i will definitely go with you...
Hit me with you Cartesian "Universal Doubt" rubbish, i'll fight on those grounds for sure...
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-11-01 22:57:04 EDT (#)
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aka brightist
this is so 5 years ago.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2007-11-01 22:19:59 EDT (#)
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your supposition is based upon you believing you are inherently right and the other is iherently wrong, with no evidence other than the appearance of a spurious nature to the claims.
your logic is flawed. merely because you may sound more reasonable in the eyes of this society it does not mean what you take to be true is right.
Submitted by Worm (user info) at 2007-11-01 10:00:43 EDT (#)
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"you cannot prove there is a god, and you cannot prove there is not a god. to say anything else is to drift into the realms of faith."
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If I believe unicorns exist, or that computers can fly, or that there is an ancient scapegoat jew-zombie who will rescue me from my own mortality if only I engage in regular telepathy with him and acknowledge his loving dominance over my soul, let's not pretend I'm on equal footing with those who believe otherwise.
How do you feel about a doctor believing that cyanide is a cure for your mother's cancer? Or about your child's busdriver believing God will guide the bus to safety while he naps behind the wheel?There is not a 50/50 maybe/maybenot split on every issue people disagree on. The burden of proof falls squarely on whoever has the less reasonable claim.
I believe in green... underground... elephants... who will carry me away in their tusks when I die and bring me into the earth's core where a portal to another dimension will take me to Ivoryland. Not believing takes just as much faith as believing. Can't we just agree to disagree?
"Ockham's Razor" and "Burden of Proof" are the two concepts at work here. Wikipedia them if you please.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2007-10-31 23:12:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2007-10-31 21:25:45 EDT (#)
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The problem with that comparison is that it has the same practical offshoot as saying "People who DISBELIEVE in unicorns have as much faith in their disbelief as those who BELIEVE in unicorns".
The level of 'faith' in not believing in unicorns is justified on the lack of evidence. THe level of faith in believing in unicorns is NOT justified. There is an important and relevant difference.
'Believing' that there is no life after death arises from the fact that there is no reason to believe that there IS life after death, just as there is no reason to believe in unicorns. Your argument is a facile one whos only purpose is to try and lower rational thinkers to the level of zealots. Thank Reason that it doesn't work.
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"justified on the lack of evidence." no it isnt. there is an equal lack of evidence pointing to the contrary. either point relies upon a point of faith, if taken into an argument. the discussion between the two points of thought is impossible as they are incompatible.
you cannot prove there is a god, and you cannot prove there is not a god. to say anything else is to drift into the realms of faith. i make the choice to not believe in a creator. this is not because of logic or evidence because there is none that is conclusive. i choose to not believe because i do not have faith. that is the only valid, defendable reason.
anyone who chooses to think that people who believe in god(s) are idiots or wrong, are themselves inherently wrong, and furthermore, a hypocrite. just like i refuse to allow religious people to force their point of view upon me, i in turn keep my philosophy to myself, as it is no better or worse than theirs, merely different.
Submitted by Ballare (user info) at 2007-10-31 22:57:38 EDT (#)
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the term "Atheist" has religious connotations thereby rendering it contradictory to the word's definition
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yes, because a word that has connotations conflicting with the word's definition does means the word is suddenly invalid
and because the word 'fast' originated as a nautical term - to 'hold fast', or hold firmly - it's automatically discounted in the english language
yeah, makes sense
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-antonym
Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2007-10-31 22:25:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2007-10-31 21:25:45 EDT (#)
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The problem with that comparison is that it has the same practical offshoot as saying "People who DISBELIEVE in unicorns have as much faith in their disbelief as those who BELIEVE in unicorns".
The level of 'faith' in not believing in unicorns is justified on the lack of evidence. THe level of faith in believing in unicorns is NOT justified. There is an important and relevant difference.
'Believing' that there is no life after death arises from the fact that there is no reason to believe that there IS life after death, just as there is no reason to believe in unicorns. Your argument is a facile one whos only purpose is to try and lower rational thinkers to the level of zealots. Thank Reason that it doesn't work.
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Not necessarily. I mean the farthest corners of the globe have been explored. Nobody has ever found a unicorn. There's no part of death that has been fully explored so there is absolutely no evidence either way.
The proof for an atheist cannot be completely accepted simply because of lack of evidence towards the opposing notion, unlike your unicorn analogy.
Submitted by DaBeast (user info) at 2007-10-31 22:12:24 EDT (#)
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Amen!
Submitted by netimportant (user info) at 2007-10-31 22:09:54 EDT (#)
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I hate religion.
Submitted by Darth_Famine (user info) at 2007-10-31 22:06:51 EDT (#)
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ROFL
and the truth shall set you free
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-10-31 21:41:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2007-10-31 21:25:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2007-10-31 20:42:53 EDT (#)
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Atheists believe in no life after death. It takes as much faith to be an atheist as it does to be a christian or muslim. It's the belief in something you don't know for fact.
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The problem with that comparison is that it has the same practical offshoot as saying "People who DISBELIEVE in unicorns have as much faith in their disbelief as those who BELIEVE in unicorns".
The level of 'faith' in not believing in unicorns is justified on the lack of evidence. THe level of faith in believing in unicorns is NOT justified. There is an important and relevant difference.
'Believing' that there is no life after death arises from the fact that there is no reason to believe that there IS life after death, just as there is no reason to believe in unicorns. Your argument is a facile one whos only purpose is to try and lower rational thinkers to the level of zealots. Thank Reason that it doesn't work.
Submitted by Stagger_Lee (user info) at 2007-10-31 20:59:14 EDT (#)
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http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=atheist
Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2007-10-31 20:42:53 EDT (#)
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Atheists believe in no life after death. It takes as much faith to be an atheist as it does to be a christian or muslim. It's the belief in something you don't know for fact.
i like the cartton, though so have a +1
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2007-10-31 18:37:08 EDT (#)
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Still another jagoff taking a shot at religion. How unrelentingly boring you people are.
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2007-10-30 19:33:51 EDT (#)
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i dont know why people post about this shit on ubersite.
from now on, every sunday, im copying and pasting a sermon.
Submitted by Worm (user info) at 2007-10-30 19:26:39 EDT (#)
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Bleh, reading the wrong quote. What I said was not "Mr. Harris's point", but rather my own perspective and something he might agree with.
Submitted by Worm (user info) at 2007-10-30 19:24:26 EDT (#)
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That's because astrologers are a minority. Nobody expects that you would be an astrologer. If that weren't the case, the label of non-astrologist would be a useful one in telling people what you're all about, or not about at all as the case may be.
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That's a reasonable stance but, from the perspective of the labeled, defining yourself as opposed to an idea is not at all satisfying. It begs the question "why not?"
Anti-abortion? pro-life.
Anti guns? pro-2nd amendment.
Anti environmentalism? pro-business.
Mr. Harris's point is that the religious and the astrologers both have carry the burden of proof, and neither has produced anything of substance. It is their responsibility to identify with absurd claims rather than the "atheist" to tout their rejection of said mythologies.
Your point stands just fine in the world we live in; a/anti/non-theists are the minority, but attaching the label to them is a wee bit insulting, as well as completely intellectually dishonest.
Submitted by Quint (user info) at 2007-10-30 18:24:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by scourge (user info) at 2007-10-30 13:49:12 EDT (#)
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hey! that wasn't a reference to method's mom!
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Oh shit! Now "Chlamydia, the God of fucking Method's Mom" will be angry with me.
Submitted by ConorJS (user info) at 2007-10-30 17:47:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Worm (user info) at 2007-10-30 17:33:23 EDT (#)
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"I think that "atheist" is a term that we do not need, in the same way that we don't need a word for someone who rejects astrology. We simply do not call people "non-astrologers." All we need are words like "reason" and "evidence" and "common sense" and "bullshit" to put astrologers in their place, and so it could be with religion." - Sam Harris (from article linked below)
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That's because astrologers are a minority. Nobody expects that you would be an astrologer. If that weren't the case, the label of non-astrologist would be a useful one in telling people what you're all about, or not about at all as the case may be.
Submitted by Worm (user info) at 2007-10-30 17:33:23 EDT (#)
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"I think that "atheist" is a term that we do not need, in the same way that we don't need a word for someone who rejects astrology. We simply do not call people "non-astrologers." All we need are words like "reason" and "evidence" and "common sense" and "bullshit" to put astrologers in their place, and so it could be with religion." - Sam Harris (from article linked below)
Submitted by Worm (user info) at 2007-10-30 17:32:02 EDT (#)
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http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/sam_harris/2007/10/the_problem_with_atheism.html
Submitted by sicosemen (user info) at 2007-10-30 16:00:10 EDT (#)
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This guy speaks the truth.
Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-10-30 14:37:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by scourge (user info) at 2007-10-30 13:49:12 EDT (#)
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hey! that wasn't a reference to method's mom!
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Submitted by Quint (user info) at 2007-10-30 13:07:20 EDT (#)
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How dare you question religion! Rolopatan, the rain god, will flood your basement! Then Jortagunan, the goat god, will kill all your goats! And if you don't have any goats... well let's just say that you don't want to meet Ulateryun, the penis god.
Death be upon you!!!
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2007-10-30 12:25:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2007-10-30 10:35:35 CDT (#)
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sorry Thorns, i stepped out of this post for a moment
its tough to be anyone that believes in anything when what you believe in gets represented by dipshits...takes all the wind out of the sails of your arguments, no?
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That's alright, I stepped out of it for a long moment.
Your statement sums up our political system quite nicely as well.
Submitted by Merlina (user info) at 2007-10-30 12:10:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-10-30 11:57:33 EDT (#)
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no they are not.
that is the get out clause for people with no bollocks.
i'd rather listen to a religious nutjob who really 'believes' than some wishy washy cunt talk about 'spritualism'.
but that's just me.
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HAHAHAHAHAHHA
*falls off chair*
hahahaaaa haaa
Submitted by stone8946 (user info) at 2007-10-30 12:08:41 EDT (#)
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By your standards people either believe in God AND religion or nothing at all? An interesting attitude, but you're welcome to your opinion. However, you are only contributing to the worlds problems with your intolerance.
Submitted by munkeypants (user info) at 2007-10-30 12:02:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Danger_Ranger (user info) at 2007-10-30 05:58:28 EDT (#)
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Here's another,
stop posting puppies, you dick muppet.
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hahahahaha
and with that gem I am signing out.
Submitted by Anansie (user info) at 2007-10-30 12:01:48 EDT (#)
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apollo is my internet hero.
*cue Bonnie Tyler song from Footloose*
Submitted by keitsith (user info) at 2007-10-30 12:00:11 EDT (#)
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WHERE ARE MY PUPPIES ??!!!
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-10-30 11:57:33 EDT (#)
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no they are not.
that is the get out clause for people with no bollocks.
i'd rather listen to a religious nutjob who really 'believes' than some wishy washy cunt talk about 'spritualism'.
but that's just me.
Submitted by stone8946 (user info) at 2007-10-30 11:54:17 EDT (#)
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I don't believe that I told you that I was an advocate of religion, Apollo. Infact I believe the greatest threat to our existence are religious teachings, in the traditional sense. Religion and spirituality are 2 different things.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-10-30 11:47:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by stone8946 (user info) at 2007-10-30 10:19:41 CDT (#)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-10-30 14:42:00 GMT (#)
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The onus isn't on 'us' to disprove god, the same way I don't have to disprove the loch ness monster. The deluded fools who believe in it have to prove the loch ness monster/bigfoot/santa claus/god to me.
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I understand what you are saying, however I do not believe anyone needs to prove anything to anyone else. If someone decides they do/do not believe in God then that's fine, either way it is your life, it's when intolerant persons such as yourself or Respek start calling those different "deluded" and "idiots" that the trouble starts. (I'm well aware that I called Respek an idiot earlier to prove a point.)
Why? It's like religion has been ringfenced as a 'no mock zone'....why? If I sit here with tin foil on my head waiting to be beamed up you'd all take the piss wouldn't you? Why not if I was some cunt waiting for 'the rapture'? Because the lie is older than the alien lie?
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2007-10-30 11:35:35 EDT (#)
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sorry Thorns, i stepped out of this post for a moment
its tough to be anyone that believes in anything when what you believe in gets represented by dipshits...takes all the wind out of the sails of your arguments, no?
Submitted by stone8946 (user info) at 2007-10-30 11:19:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-10-30 14:42:00 GMT (#)
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The onus isn't on 'us' to disprove god, the same way I don't have to disprove the loch ness monster. The deluded fools who believe in it have to prove the loch ness monster/bigfoot/santa claus/god to me.
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I understand what you are saying, however I do not believe anyone needs to prove anything to anyone else. If someone decides they do/do not believe in God then that's fine, either way it is your life, it's when intolerant persons such as yourself or Respek start calling those different "deluded" and "idiots" that the trouble starts. (I'm well aware that I called Respek an idiot earlier to prove a point.)
Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2007-10-30 11:10:43 EDT (#)
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No it isn't.
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2007-10-30 11:07:34 EDT (#)
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But BAMF, he surely seems to promote it above, what with talk of blowing up local churches and what not. Whether he would actually follow through on such a threat...that remains to be seen, I suppose.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2007-10-30 10:51:32 EDT (#)
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"Militant atheists are just as annoying as militant Christians."
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first of all, I've never really meant an militant atheist nor do I read stories of them invading funerals or churches and denouncing god and telling others that they might burn in fiery pits if they don't become sycophants.
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2007-10-30 10:46:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2007-10-30 09:05:11 CDT (#)
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"And what may I ask are you basing your belief that there is no God on? "
that fact that to this point in life he or she or it has not manifested themselves right here in front of me and kicked me in the balls for being a non believer.
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Well that is because he/she/it is giving you time to repent and believe, if you go by the Judeo-Christian writings. Hence the reason for why "bad" people get away with so much, and so on and so forth. Not saying that this is right or wrong but it is the explanation that they offer.
What was it said on DeadToast's post? Oh yeah..."Militant atheists are just as annoying as militant Christians."
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-10-30 10:45:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Danger_Ranger (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:16:36 CDT (#)
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'wayne frankish...', i dunno. I think I have a team photo somewhere, maybe I'll dig it up. *I* of course will be the most handsome kiddie, with the ego bigger than Romario's and the 'Get born Roberto Carlos' t-shirt.
hahahh
although Cafu came waaaay before and is a lot better.
Except for the Roberto Carlos toeies that occasionally go in. 1 in 500 obviously.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-10-30 10:42:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by stone8946 (user info) at 2007-10-30 08:38:58 CDT (#)
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Submitted by Respek (user info) at 2007-10-30 09:56:10 GMT (#)
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I didnt say my views were better dipshit, I just said that im not an idiot.
Heres a bigger nugget of wisdom:
"Any man is welcome to believe in whatever ignorant shit he wants to believe in."
-ME
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And what may I ask are you basing your belief that there is no God on?
typical ridiculous circular argument from within the framework of their madness.
The onus isn't on 'us' to disprove god, the same way I don't have to disprove the loch ness monster. The deluded fools who believe in it have to prove the loch ness monster/bigfoot/santa claus/god to me.
Submitted by FlakMonkey (user info) at 2007-10-30 10:32:40 EDT (#)
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what's the point in even posting an argument on the labels used to describe people of different or no faith? I guess to me it's like the whole democrat, republican, libertarian thing. I don't subscribe to any one of thier beliefs and instead to be my own person making my own decisions. this post sucked balls affected by elephantitus. impressive you can get your mouth around those big boys but all kinds of very wrong.
~Brdn_Nkd
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-10-30 10:20:50 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/63240
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2007-10-30 10:05:11 EDT (#)
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"And what may I ask are you basing your belief that there is no God on? "
that fact that to this point in life he or she or it has not manifested themselves right here in front of me and kicked me in the balls for being a non believer.
Submitted by stone8946 (user info) at 2007-10-30 09:38:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Respek (user info) at 2007-10-30 09:56:10 GMT (#)
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I didnt say my views were better dipshit, I just said that im not an idiot.
Heres a bigger nugget of wisdom:
"Any man is welcome to believe in whatever ignorant shit he wants to believe in."
-ME
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And what may I ask are you basing your belief that there is no God on? Would that be the teachings of the Christian church? Is your argument that God couldn't possibly let all these bad things happen in the world? What if the church has got it wrong? Then the basis of your belief that there is no God is wrong, personally that's what I'd go with, and that's some ignorant shit, dude. Of course you're welcome to believe whichever nugget of ignorant shit makes you most happy, idiot.
Submitted by ConorJS (user info) at 2007-10-30 09:26:17 EDT (#)
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Wrong. Just because the word atheist was created as a reaction to religion doesn't mean that people didn't believe in god before organized religion. It's just a title.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-10-30 09:22:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-30 09:16:13 EDT (#)
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This was poor.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-10-30 07:45:25 EDT (#)
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dg is short for dog
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-10-30 07:45:01 EDT (#)
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and his dg was called harry basset, yes i know the family. They lived next door to the spanner family.
Submitted by Danger_Ranger (user info) at 2007-10-30 07:42:11 EDT (#)
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no but he had a sister called dweazel, and a dad called neville neville.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-10-30 07:40:47 EDT (#)
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moon unit? hey my mum warned mne about weirdos like you.
moon unit frankish, yes of course, did he have a brother called sputnik frankish
Submitted by Danger_Ranger (user info) at 2007-10-30 07:39:56 EDT (#)
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THE FAMOUS *MOON UNIT* FRANKISH
Submitted by Danger_Ranger (user info) at 2007-10-30 07:39:05 EDT (#)
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wayne's not fucking right either. shit! This is pissing me off. a-b-c-dee,e-f-geeeee,aitch,i,j,k,l-m-m.......em. matt? mi..michael.....MOON UNIT!! MOON UNIT FRANKISH! BLOODY HELL.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-10-30 07:21:23 EDT (#)
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My footballling talent was negligible, I couldnt tackle as quite frankly I didnt want to hurt myself, I was skillful and could dance round players but being so thin back their other kids would just kick me, hard. After a while I decided Cricket was the way to go as it was my own fault If I got injured and I couldnt be persecuted for being talented. As for rugby I played winga few times as I was furthest away from the big kids and i could ruun fast past th eothers until tehy figured taht out and crushed me a few times.
I was offered football trials in my local league when I was 15 but I looked at the other 30+ men who played and was so scared said I was quite happy kicking a ball round with my mates and father.
You could say I had zilch ambition.
Submitted by Danger_Ranger (user info) at 2007-10-30 07:16:36 EDT (#)
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'wayne frankish...', i dunno. I think I have a team photo somewhere, maybe I'll dig it up. *I* of course will be the most handsome kiddie, with the ego bigger than Romario's and the 'Get born Roberto Carlos' t-shirt.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-10-30 07:09:08 EDT (#)
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he sounds like a wayne, a snivveling Wayne, I knew a Wayne once, he was a stoned chef.
Submitted by Danger_Ranger (user info) at 2007-10-30 07:07:51 EDT (#)
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you know i'm starting to think steves' name was wayne
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-10-30 07:06:58 EDT (#)
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just be whatever you want, you dont need a title.
Submitted by Merlina (user info) at 2007-10-30 07:04:40 EDT (#)
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Actually let me change that to an 'apathetic agnostic'
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-10-30 07:04:10 EDT (#)
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and thats why I love Merlina.
Submitted by Merlina (user info) at 2007-10-30 07:02:57 EDT (#)
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I'm an agnostic, preferring science.
But I don't believe in shoving my opinions down anyones throat whether it be religion or anything else.
Its personal choice. As everything should be.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-10-30 07:01:41 EDT (#)
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Damn Steve Frankish......Still you could probably still get in your national team!
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-10-30 07:01:41 EDT (#)
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Damn Steve Frankish......Still you could probably still get in your national team!
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:57:49 EDT (#)
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The traditional approach is to leave your jacket, socks, shoes, trousers and tie on the beach and then just swim out as far as you can. When people stumble across your remains in the morning they can identify you from your wallet and pass whatever note and/or relics you've left their onto your surviving family.
Personally the British coast is a bit chilly for that sort of thing and the tropical regions would have me afraid of being eaten by sharks. Let's be frank here; being eaten is terrifying. Probably more terrifying than actually dying itself.
Submitted by Danger_Ranger (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:57:21 EDT (#)
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come to think of it the famous john frankish may have been steve - steve frankish. Anyhoo's I remember him taking me and this other guy dean to a rep try-out. Inbetween trials he drove us over to his bitches parents' house - who lived close by, where he went inside and tried to pretend he was awesome and Dean and I made a make-shift goal in their frontyard and proceeded to destroy their garden with finely struck volleys that tore leaf from plant-limb. good times. He would come out occassionally and try to act like he really liked us but would talk really deeply under his breath and because he was so 'nooooooooo it's okay I'm just talking to the guys' and looking back at his bitches parents on the front step but all the while looked really fucking angry with us Dean and I knew we were pushing the right buttons, and that it was going to be a grand weekend.
And I *could've* been Pele, I just needed more free reign, you can't coach or inhibit what I had. I was hobbled by the famous steve frankish. it was probably a conspiracy. an english one.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:42:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2007-10-30 10:36:00 GMT (#)
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What were you thinking of wearing into the sea to drown in??? Dont tell me you were going to go in Naked you Gayer. ewwwwwwwwww
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Well I was going to wear something to cover my bits a bit better as well sea water does funny things. I dont want your last thought as were both drowning to be 'what a tiny cock'. Thats not on.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:40:35 EDT (#)
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Hmmm Did the coach never say you had any talent? you see maybe that was why you werent gonna be Pele.........
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:39:00 EDT (#)
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That's so sad Danger, your dreams were ruined by your team-mate's miniscule but petty ego's.
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:36:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:33:32 EDT (#)
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I dunno , I dont mind holding your hand, I think we are having a moment. I do like Exeter actually.
Can we drown in a swimming pool? Just then i can wear my new trunks.
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What were you thinking of wearing into the sea to drown in??? Dont tell me you were going to go in Naked you Gayer. ewwwwwwwwww
Submitted by Danger_Ranger (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:35:31 EDT (#)
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*annual, not manual. jesus. oops sorry jesus.
Submitted by Danger_Ranger (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:34:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:10:43 EDT (#)
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Well funny story here, my aunty and uncle are convincved im a Liverpool fan and every Birthday/Christmas they send me Bill Shankly mugs, liverpool scarfs, books on the History of Liverpool etc etc. They even phoned me up when Liverpool won the European cup saying how excited I must be, I had no idea I had just finished watching Hells Kitchen. (ok maybe not)
This has gone on for 10 years, I have no idea why the notion came from but I do like the mug.
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funny. When I was about 8 my parents used to buy me these..."Goal"? manual boys-own things? They were convinced I was a Leeds fan, and I got all these fucking hardcover pom books with Peter Lorimer and Billy Bremer and some scot git in goal, in fact the entire team were fucking scots.
"but i like Pele" I whined.
"Don't be silly" my dad would say, "Pele's retired."
"b-but i've modelled my entire game on him..."
"You son is a hog", my coach (the famous John Frankish) interjected.
"that's because i'm going to be pele..."
"He's a fullback. My team has no structure because god's gift here keeps running down the wing and never passes the ball."
[parents frowning]
I, like Led Zeppelin, was ahead of my time. I was the world's very first wing back. I could have been the greatest. ever.
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:34:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:33:15 EDT (#)
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There will be no dying in the ocean. I will put on a red swimsuit and save you Pammy style - slow mo, with the float.
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Do you need an exact Grid reference, I would hate to miss that! :-)
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:33:32 EDT (#)
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I dunno , I dont mind holding your hand, I think we are having a moment. I do like Exeter actually.
Can we drown in a swimming pool? Just then i can wear my new trunks.
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:33:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Respek (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:30:08 EDT (#)
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I dont need to prove you wrong, I just have to wait until you concede an inch, then I crush you. Im too tired to argue anymore, so I will just pray for a famine to befall your home. Die in the ocean.
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I love those sort of cop out answers. "I dont need to Prove you wrong." Reminds me of some religious chaps I know.
You go on Praying????? Respek
P.s I wasnt argueing, there is no point argueing with faceless strangers who live in my computer. I was merely pointing something out that was incorrect. Have a nice sleep anyway.
Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:33:15 EDT (#)
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There will be no dying in the ocean. I will put on a red swimsuit and save you Pammy style - slow mo, with the float.
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:30:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:28:22 EDT (#)
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I dont live near the sea.
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Come to Exeter mate and we can go together. We could get all pissed and stuff first and have a last lingering look at some boobies, if we pay enough, and head off for the ocean.
You will have to drown at least a mile away from me though as I dont want people thinking that we went in holding hands or some sort of shit.
Submitted by Respek (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:30:08 EDT (#)
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DIE IN THE OCEAN!!
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At which point did you prove me wrong Mr Respek?
As far as I'm concerned my original point of your title being incorrect still stands. The word still has a meaning so your title is flawed.
You don't want my soul man. No one wants my soul, even Satan passed up on the offer as he never got back to me.....unless he doenst really exist hmmmmm? Actually what is this souls lark if one is agnostic and stuff?
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I dont need to prove you wrong, I just have to wait until you concede an inch, then I crush you. Im too tired to argue anymore, so I will just pray for a famine to befall your home. Die in the ocean.
Submitted by sicosemen (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:30:03 EDT (#)
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The account http://www.ubersite.com/u/Respek is meaningless.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:28:22 EDT (#)
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I dont live near the sea.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:27:47 EDT (#)
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I hate talks about religon because both sides think they know everything and are just pig headed and stupid. Religon is a belief and people can believe whatever the fuck they like but its a belief so you cant fucking argue about it because one persons belief is not anothers.
fucking fucktards.
Anyway can we talk about boobies please...........please
Submitted by Respek (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:26:49 EDT (#)
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Emission, you should also die in the ocean.
But not right now, because I still have respek for you.
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:25:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Respek (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:22:39 EDT (#)
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DEFEATED!! I have SLAYED YOU!! Hahahahah! your soul is MINE! You were just being pendantic huh?? Well there you go, I was right, you were wrong, I am your king. WORSHIP ME!! You have given me an inch, and I have taken your heart!
DIE IN THE OCEAN!!
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At which point did you prove me wrong Mr Respek?
As far as I'm concerned my original point of your title being incorrect still stands. The word still has a meaning so your title is flawed.
You don't want my soul man. No one wants my soul, even Satan passed up on the offer as he never got back to me.....unless he doenst really exist hmmmmm? Actually what is this souls lark if one is agnostic and stuff?
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:24:25 EDT (#)
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On the religon subject, i have my own beliefs and was brought up a certain way but I would never impose them on someone else.
That is all.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:23:35 EDT (#)
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SHOVE THEM UP YOUR HOLES ORPHELIA!!!!!
Submitted by Respek (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:22:39 EDT (#)
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I said it had religious connotations, as in the bible claims that Atheists go to hell. Atheism carries an odium, thereby letting the religion win. Calling yourself a "realist" removes the connotation and puts your beliefs where they should be, out of the hands of the opposition.
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All I was saying Respek is that it isn't Meanigless as it does have a meaning assigned to it. I was just being pedantic about the title, nothing more. No need to get preschool with the insults over Intraweb differences Chap.
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DEFEATED!! I have SLAYED YOU!! Hahahahah! your soul is MINE! You were just being pendantic huh?? Well there you go, I was right, you were wrong, I am your king. WORSHIP ME!! You have given me an inch, and I have taken your heart!
DIE IN THE OCEAN!!
Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:22:38 EDT (#)
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Drogo lets beat him up after school. Meanie.
In other news, for those old enough to recall, Wispas have been reintroduced to the obese British public. I have 3 in my handbag. Sharesys, anyone?
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:21:20 EDT (#)
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There are so many different religious beliefs, and different nuances of opinion whithin those beliefs themselves, that trying to deal with the catogrisation on a faith by faith basis is a gargantuan and probably futile excersise. Respek's initial question on the question of differences between a fellow of faith and a fellow of non-faith is a very good one, and quite easily answered.
Of course we all would be wise to remember that spirtualism can be expressed through non-religious forms; philosophy for instance. Even being a Lungfish/Bickerstaff-esque dispenser of worldy wisdom is in it's core a spiritual pursuit. It's really all rather diverse.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:20:57 EDT (#)
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hey im the man and orphelia knows it!
***points thumbs to shoulders****
'EMI-SSION IM-POSSIBLE!!!!!!!'
Easy easy easy easy!
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:18:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:12:14 EDT (#)
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Drogo - I am sure he meant dive, it was just a typo, no one on Uber is that nasty.
Everything Berty says is true.
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See I told you that's what he said Orphelia. He is just a big NASTY Internet Bully throwing his typed words of evil at everyone showing everyone how big and clever he is and how he could best us all.
I feel compelled to go for a swim because of his amazing Internet awesomeness.
Chances are though that I will stay right here and not go anywhere near the sea as it's damned cold this time of year, you could die in there
Submitted by Danger_Ranger (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:18:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:08:52 EDT (#)
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... Okay here's the thing.
It all comes down to one's philosophical perception of reality, the universe and one's role whithin it. The atheist believes that there is no God and thus no structure to the universe, reality or his place whithin it. That life is entirely what he can make of it and whether he chooses to base his life around constructs of mathematics, society or simple animalistic desire are entirely up to him. The atheist's view of life, the cosmos and indeed his own existence is ultimatly nihilistic.
If one has faith in a higher power then the game changes. There is considerably more structure to his life. He believes that there is a plan, purpose or at the very least some manner of guiding hand between the seemingly chaotic forces of nature and life at large. Now that can then be interpreted in a multitude of ways. For example it can mean that he believes he in intended to act in a certain way, or it can mean that he simply feels there is some specific plan or purpose to all that occurs or perhaps something else entirely. Whatever his take on the situation, he believes there is a situation rather than a random space with people milling about whithin it.
So there's your difference mate, at least in basic laymans terms.
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And then there's the fence-sitters Berty. Those who are pragmatic and think "wow that swiss timepiece is pretty cool, is it a product of evolving intelligence or just, well you know - magic. Like how the fuck did those swiss timepiece creators even think of that......and jesus, (sorry jesus, just in case you're real, and that whole taking your name thing in vain isn't as old testament as we progressive types believe, when we're believing - nay comtemplating), but fuck me if the big bang theory isn't just as fanciful as the garden of eden. this fence hurts my bum."
There's that too.
Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:17:18 EDT (#)
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I happen to find Mr Magoo attractive.
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:16:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Respek (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:11:55 EDT (#)
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I said it had religious connotations, as in the bible claims that Atheists go to hell. Atheism carries an odium, thereby letting the religion win. Calling yourself a "realist" removes the connotation and puts your beliefs where they should be, out of the hands of the opposition.
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All I was saying Respek is that it isn't Meanigless as it does have a meaning assigned to it. I was just being pedantic about the title, nothing more. No need to get preschool with the insults over Intraweb differences Chap.
Submitted by Respek (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:13:56 EDT (#)
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I whole-heartedly support my "go die in the ocean" statement.
Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:12:14 EDT (#)
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Drogo - I am sure he meant dive, it was just a typo, no one on Uber is that nasty.
Everything Berty says is true.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:12:04 EDT (#)
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Oh and Drogos ugly, the ocean would wipe of fhis make up and show his true horror. not good. He looks like Mr Magoo with two pairs of glasses on.
Submitted by Respek (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:11:55 EDT (#)
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Go die in the ocean
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Unless I read your mammouth post wrong. You actually said that the origin of the word ISNT a religious word.
I still stand by the fact that it isnt meaningless, just maybe used incorrectly.
Go die in the Ocean. I like that, it's like a little school yard child insult. It reminds me of my happy childhood.
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I said it had religious connotations, as in the bible claims that Atheists go to hell. Atheism carries an odium, thereby letting the religion win. Calling yourself a "realist" removes the connotation and puts your beliefs where they should be, out of the hands of the opposition.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:10:43 EDT (#)
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Well funny story here, my aunty and uncle are convincved im a Liverpool fan and every Birthday/Christmas they send me Bill Shankly mugs, liverpool scarfs, books on the History of Liverpool etc etc. They even phoned me up when Liverpool won the European cup saying how excited I must be, I had no idea I had just finished watching Hells Kitchen. (ok maybe not)
This has gone on for 10 years, I have no idea why the notion came from but I do like the mug.
Anyway yes i agree.
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:08:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:06:23 EDT (#)
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Em that would make us hippies. I want to dive in the ocean with Drogo.
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I think Mr Respek wanted me to actually die in the ocean Orphelia so you may not want to join me on that little trip.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:08:52 EDT (#)
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... Okay here's the thing.
It all comes down to one's philosophical perception of reality, the universe and one's role whithin it. The atheist believes that there is no God and thus no structure to the universe, reality or his place whithin it. That life is entirely what he can make of it and whether he chooses to base his life around constructs of mathematics, society or simple animalistic desire are entirely up to him. The atheist's view of life, the cosmos and indeed his own existence is ultimatly nihilistic.
If one has faith in a higher power then the game changes. There is considerably more structure to his life. He believes that there is a plan, purpose or at the very least some manner of guiding hand between the seemingly chaotic forces of nature and life at large. Now that can then be interpreted in a multitude of ways. For example it can mean that he believes he in intended to act in a certain way, or it can mean that he simply feels there is some specific plan or purpose to all that occurs or perhaps something else entirely. Whatever his take on the situation, he believes there is a situation rather than a random space with people milling about whithin it.
So there's your difference mate, at least in basic laymans terms.
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:07:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:04:59 EDT (#)
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I once knew a Gay. She was a miserable bisexual. And an atheist.
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WOW a miserable Bisexual, who knew that could happen? Surely with being able to try both sides she should be able to find something to be happy about? Maybe she was hankering for animal sex or something.
Em- I thought we already did that? I'm dressed up arent you? I sent you the memo.
Submitted by Danger_Ranger (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:06:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:05:14 EDT (#)
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cant we all dress like freaks and dance in a circle holding hands?
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like that time liverpool jagged a european championship in a penalty shootout?
Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:06:23 EDT (#)
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Em that would make us hippies. I want to dive in the ocean with Drogo.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:05:14 EDT (#)
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cant we all dress like freaks and dance in a circle holding hands?
Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:04:59 EDT (#)
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I once knew a Gay. She was a miserable bisexual. And an atheist.
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:04:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Respek (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:01:13 EDT (#)
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The term "Atheist" is meaningless
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Um not so. It still has a meaning, definition. It may just have been altered or taken to be used in a different way, bastardised if you will like the word Gay. But it still has a meaning so it is not meaningless so your title is wrong.
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Its meaningless if you consider the contradiction of using a religious word to justify your anti-religious beliefs. Asshole.
Go die in the ocean
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Unless I read your mammouth post wrong. You actually said that the origin of the word ISNT a religious word.
I still stand by the fact that it isnt meaningless, just maybe used incorrectly.
Go die in the Ocean. I like that, it's like a little school yard child insult. It reminds me of my happy childhood.
Submitted by Respek (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:01:13 EDT (#)
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The term "Atheist" is meaningless
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Um not so. It still has a meaning, definition. It may just have been altered or taken to be used in a different way, bastardised if you will like the word Gay. But it still has a meaning so it is not meaningless so your title is wrong.
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Its meaningless if you consider the contradiction of using a religious word to justify your anti-religious beliefs. Asshole.
Go die in the ocean.
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2007-10-30 06:00:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2007-10-30 05:57:57 EDT (#)
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I am feeling very gay today.
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I feel Gay quite a lot. I think she likes it.
Submitted by Danger_Ranger (user info) at 2007-10-30 05:58:28 EDT (#)
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Here's another,
stop posting puppies, you dick muppet.
Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2007-10-30 05:57:57 EDT (#)
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I am feeling very gay today.
Submitted by Respek (user info) at 2007-10-30 05:56:10 EDT (#)
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I didnt say my views were better dipshit, I just said that im not an idiot.
Heres a bigger nugget of wisdom:
"Any man is welcome to believe in whatever ignorant shit he wants to believe in."
-ME
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2007-10-30 05:55:35 EDT (#)
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The term "Atheist" is meaningless
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Um not so. It still has a meaning, definition. It may just have been altered or taken to be used in a different way, bastardised if you will like the word Gay. But it still has a meaning so it is not meaningless so your title is wrong.
Submitted by Danger_Ranger (user info) at 2007-10-30 05:52:49 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2007-10-30 05:26:49 EDT (#)
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youre jsut as much an idiot for believing your views are any better than someone who believes in god(s).
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absolutely *massive* nuggets of truth.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-10-30 05:49:31 EDT (#)
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I'll NEVER deny a man his faith. Faith can be wonderful and produce things of beauty.
It's when faith becomes an all-consuming focus of life, when it becomes zealotry, that we must join together to end the sickness.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-10-30 05:49:12 EDT (#)
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hahah brilliant cartoon
Submitted by frankthebear (user info) at 2007-10-30 05:32:42 EDT (#)
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careful there, dude. never, EVER allow yourself to get drawn into a discussion about religion or politics, let alone start one yourself.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2007-10-30 05:26:49 EDT (#)
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youre jsut as much an idiot for believing your views are any better than someone who believes in god(s).