The Rise of Secular America (808 hits)
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Submitted by Mike <robitfuel.at.gmail.com> (View user info) at 2007-10-30 16:49:13 EDT
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As far back as I can remember, I've had a religious nut of a mother who thought sex was bad for you. Don't bother trying to reason with her because it won't work. Any argument based on logic and reason you can muster will always be trumped by the ultimate cop-out that is Faith. Now she wasn't quite as bad as Ed Gein's mother whose other offspring, George Gein, was a violent alcoholic who was frequently unemployed. Nor did she reserve time every afternoon to read to me from the Bible, selecting graphic verses from the Old Testament dealing with death, murder and divine retribution.
No, she was just a former religious nut who had gotten a divorce whereby, I suspect, she lost some of her faith. She's never mentioned anything to me about losing her faith but from what I can gather from other family members my father and mother used to be devout baptists. In retrospect I'm quite glad that I wasn't raised by them. I'd rather be well-educated and informed than incredibly ignorant. Looking back I would have to thank my natural curiosity and local library for my intellectual awakening. I began reading Stephen King novels in the 4th grade (Misery being the first) and from that point forward I would always look to my books for answers. If I wanted to know something I would go find out for myself and look it up. With the rise in popularity of the Internet over the course of the 90's it only fueled my desire to know all that I possibly could.
I don't have to tell you that religion is the anithesis of that. Knowledge vs. Faith. I've always thought that the story of Eden was classic in its metaphorical presentation of how you must remain ignorant to be happy. How inducing knowledge only serves to make you unhappy and you must remain ignorant, servile and content with the way things are. This never made sense to me. I've never accepted it and I felt guilty as a child sitting there in church not really believing what the preacher presented as The Truth. I felt like God was sitting up there, condemning me and that at any moment someone would walk up to my pew and call me out for the heretic I was.
That I am.
Though...there seems to be a light at the end of the tunnel, so to speak. The rise of secular America is becoming more and more prominent as time goes on. My generation is rejecting the intellectual depravity religion uses as a base for a lifetime of false promises and exaggerated claims. I've long since rejected the schism of guilt I have for things I'd been brought up to believe were wrong but know now that there is no good reason for it. That it is unnatural to make you feel wrong about your nature.
I'm not saying do not believe in a Sky God if you wish, most people do in this country, but don't bother me about it when I present a dissenting view backed by reason and logic. Don't berate me or try to convert me or say that you'll pray for me because I've rejected this faith-based view of reality. I've come to the current conclusion that logic serves me best in a great number of things whether it be existential thought or trying to find someone's house. It helps me to become a better person and not persecute (see: judge harshly) others who might not believe the same as I do or whose way of life I might find offensive. Namely the religious folk who stand outside abortion clinics screaming murder at scared young girls, or feeling homosexuality is an affront to their God, or any of the other mind-numbingly ignorant stances one could take against another.
"I tend to think that any advanced civilizations out there who are aware of us are probably just taking a pass. We may even have the interstellar equivalent of orange cones around our solar system warning unsuspecting travelers to steer clear. I would. Viewed from the outside, our species is a narrow-minded, warlike, primitive race, practically on the verge of destroying ourselves and our planet. We have some awfully beautiful art and literature, but these things seem to be exceptional, not the rule. We have cities full of wealthy people who seem not to care much that billions of us are starving, dying of diseases we know how to cure, left to rot in conditions unfit for the animals we live here with, while we send our armies out to squabble (read: kill each other) over tiny patches of land that just happen to bear a non-renewable energy source that's not exactly healthy for our planet.
We think we're the only intelligent life in the universe, as far as we're concerned, we are us and this is it--a lonely island in the middle of a vast expanse--and still, we can't seem to manage to stop squabbling about (read: killing each other over) who's got the bestest un-provable theory about who might be out there watching. If I drove by and saw this place I'd probably decide to check back in another thousand years or so--if we survive the next couple hundred, we might turn into somebody worth knowing."
The above passage summed up exactly what I have been thinking for a long time. We have two paths before us. One path would lead us to the intellectual revolution needed to evolve into a species worth knowing cosmically and the other would lead us down a path we know very well. The path of intolerance, war mongering, totalitarian control and the sad celebration of ignorance.
I think it high time we evolve as a species.
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Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2007-11-06 06:18:42 EST (#)
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Nobody has ever done a post about Sodom and Gommoroah from the bible. I have no idea what the deal is there. I totally need to have a sleazy one night stand in some cheap motel so I can lay my hands on a bible.
Submitted by Danger_Ranger (user info) at 2007-11-06 05:33:03 EST (#)
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stop showing off captain algren. tell your mum hi.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2007-11-06 05:24:15 EST (#)
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Nanka eigo wasurechatta... gomenna. ^o^
Submitted by Danger_Ranger (user info) at 2007-11-06 05:17:01 EST (#)
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big bang, garden of eden. Both fanciful, you may as well believe in pumpkin coaches.
And it's 'arguments' williamson - one e. You know the drill, write it out.
"I will not argue on the world wide web if I'm gonna type arguements. It detracts from me trying to make a credible argument."
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2007-11-06 05:00:36 EST (#)
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"I'm not saying do not believe in a Sky God if you wish, most people do in this country, but don't bother me about it when I present a dissenting view backed by reason and logic."
Don`t forget:
Atheists are not backed up by more logic or reason than Believers, simply;
Atheists are backed up by less illogical and unreasonable proofs than Believers.
Neither has more logical arguements, though I will contend one group uses a lot more illogical ones.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-11-06 04:34:00 EST (#)
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Submitted by monkeyswithguns (user info) at 2007-11-01 07:47:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2007-10-30 20:24:42 EDT (#)
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Religious people are like every other kind of people. There are those who do it right - they choose their own path to understanding, and they use it to improve their own life and the lives of those around them. And then there are those who do it wrong - they are unquestioning zealots who use their faith as a crutch, and believe it gives them carte blanche to judge and condemn others.
There is no heaven or hell aside from the one you make for yourself, here, now, in this life. I think the best-lived lives have some of both.
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Excellent commentary.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-11-06 04:18:27 EST (#)
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"I think it high time we evolve as a species."
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Like the innate ability to detect typos? (Especially when doing your bestest to sound smrt!)
I think flying would be pretty fucking kick ass.
Telekinesis would rock.
Submitted by rorrim (user info) at 2007-11-06 03:53:40 EST (#)
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Submitted by Brdn_Nkd (user info) at 2007-11-02 16:21:43 EDT (#)
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for you to denounce someone for believing differently than you shows that you still have more to learn and explore. Sometimes I think that non-believers who take the stance you have here are frightened to go the extra distance to trully discover what could be so compelling to so many of the world's people.
for the record I think the same is true of true believers. if they do not question and seek out as much as they can on the subject they too are being somewhat irresponsible. but that's the beauty of having faith, either in god's existence or non-existence, you can have faith without knowing all the answers. and so as humans we carry on and anyone different than us is suspect. why can't we all just get along? cause we're sick evil fucks and people always have been messed up toward each other.
Submitted by Brdn_Nkd (user info) at 2007-11-02 16:14:45 EDT (#)
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alright, I re-read this and perhaps I was a little harsh. I did not find the word replacements I thought I'd encountered and yes I only saw the one spelling error. I guess ultimately when I say it was poorly written it was the style itself that bothered me and that is totally subjective. </concession>
Maybe, the real reason this rubbed me wrong is that your argument and the way you approach the subject is no different from the brow beating believers of the world. You point to thier harsh judgement in regards to your non-belief and immediately turn around to berate them for having faith. i am unconcerned with what you believe but it seems you are actually offended that someone would have faith. I understand your frustration comes from dealing with those that would impose or push thier beliefs onto you but I don't see how you're any different than they when you come out swinging the way you have.
ultimately i fall somewhere in the middle. I have personally seen things that science, "logic", and "reason" fail to explain but also do not participate in, or embrace, any form of organised religion. I know that this stance is often somewhat offensive to both believers and nonbelievers alike but it is where i am and likely where I'll be for some time. I've heard intelligent discourse (your post does not pass muster to be included) on both sides of the subject and niether have convinced me. To the believers this tends to come off as a reluctance or unwillingness to accept god into my heart while nonbelievers tend to see it as a weakness. I have actually taken the time to seek out understanding and information on both sides of the argument and still do not have a solid answer. the funny thing is that it requires just as much a leap of faith to believe wholeheartedly in a particular flavor of religion as it does to wholly disbelieve in god altogether. Having faith that there is no such thing as a "sky god" does not in any way make you smarter or superior. I know, i know, you don't have faith, you have "knowledge" and "understanding" that surpasses faith. Ironic then that it looks no different from the middle; you, with your wholehearted belief that there is nothing else to this world's existence, to our existence, and they with thier wholehearted belief that god is the ultimate answer to all the questions regarding life, the universe, and everything.
in the end I find your post naught more than a saber rattling attempt to proclaim your superiority over those that would believe in something more than man and thereby denounce thier beliefs as something below someone so worldly, educated, and intelligent as you. Science leaves just as much unanswered. Many times the questions that science does answer lead to still more questions. the complexity of this existence will likely always pose questions to man. for you to denounce someone for believing differently than you shows that you still have more to learn and explore. Sometimes I think that non-believers who take the stance you have here are frightened to go the extra distance to trully discover what could be so compelling to so many of the world's people. live long and prosper yo.
Submitted by robotfuel (user info) at 2007-11-02 12:58:19 EDT (#)
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"I've never heard your argument before, it's very compelling. Maybe you should email the pope. Perhaps he will declare your wisdom to everyone around the world and dissolve the church because of it."
One can hope.
Submitted by anunusualyetwittyname (user info) at 2007-11-02 12:27:24 EDT (#)
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I've never heard your argument before, it's very compelling. Maybe you should email the pope. Perhaps he will declare your wisdom to everyone around the world and dissolve the church because of it.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-11-02 12:04:35 EDT (#)
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What you took as superiority is actually annoyance with blind belief.
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that's actually the basic idea behind faith. having belief without seeing proof.
Submitted by robotfuel (user info) at 2007-11-02 11:41:23 EDT (#)
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"word substitution is never cool and hardly conducive to providing comprehension of your intended idea.
I'm not sure what you mean...word substitution is when you call something by its wrong name. Like accidentally calling a pen a pencil or a fork a spoon. If by "word substitution" you mean word replacement then let me tell you not once did I replace any of the words that I used for this post - other than spelling errors. Of course I have no way of proving that but that doesn't matter to me because I KNOW that I am telling the truth and consider the accusation an indirect compliment.
So thanks.
"finally, you take a very strong stance in the post and essentially say anyone who believes in a god is foolish but then contradict yourself later in the reviews by saying you don't claim superiority in your non-belief that this is just your point of view."
I have a friend who is a Christian. He's a very smart guy and we have great discussions about all sorts of things. I would never claim superiority over him because he believes in a Sky God. What you took as superiority is actually annoyance with blind belief. My friend can come at you six ways for why he believes what he believes and we go back and forth and it's great. If all religious folk were like him we wouldn't be having this discussion. You would never find him outside an abortion clinic, or holding a sign that says "God hates faggots", or killing the Great Satan in the West, or going door to door saying you need to believe or burn in hell or... - you get the picture.
In fact, an author I greatly respect is David Ray Griffin. He is a Professor of Philosophy of Religion and Theology, Emeritus, at the Claremont School of Theology. I would absolutely love to talk to this guy. Even though I do not believe what he believes it still doesn't mean I wouldn't be open to his viewpoint. Obviously he's studied the subject for a lot longer than I have and I would respect his opinion.
And therein lies the difference. Which relates to your statement:
"It's been said before in this post, angry, zealous, anti-god people are just as annoying as god people."
I am willing to take other's views into account and listen to them carefully. I know that they've come to their conclusion through their own experiences, same as I have, and they might have something constructive to offer. Whereas the attitude of those who blindly believe, in my experience, is 'I am right, you are wrong, no matter what. Period" Which annoys me to no end.
The only anger I feel is when someone (or a group of someone's) is being persecuted, mistreated or outright killed in the name of a religion. Never mind the billion dollar religious industry that pays no taxes. As far as zealotry goes my only active interest in this matter is conveyed to other people using words to express ideas and hopefully promote discussion. That's it.
"I know I can't spell for shit but when I post I take the time to use the really difficult to use tool called "spell check"."
There's that hard to find base sarcasm the Internet is short of again. The only spelling error I can find is antithesis.
"I am negative twoing this because it is pseudo intellectual bullshit and not really all that well written."
Now that's just mean. I know I have to work towards the level of "good riddance bitch" and "you are all sheep" but just give me some time.
Submitted by FlakMonkey (user info) at 2007-11-02 09:37:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DaBeast (user info) at 2007-10-31 22:11:37 EDT (#)
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Don't ya love it when the narrow-minded fanatics start negative twoing you left right and sideways as if their vast ignorance actually matters?
Keep the (lack of) faith, brutha.
It's this sort of statement that makes you look like an ass. Are you any less narrow minded when you make a statement like that? I am negative twoing this because it is pseudo intellectual bullshit and not really all that well written. I know I can't spell for shit but when I post I take the time to use the really difficult to use tool called "spell check". word substitution is never cool and hardly conducive to providing comprehesion of your intended idea. finally, you take a very strong stance in the post and essentially say anyone who believes in a god is foolish but then contradict yourself later in the reviews by saying you don't claim superiority in your non-belief that this is just your point of view. It's been said before in this post, angry, zealous, anti-god people are just as annoying as god people.
~Brdn_Nkd
Submitted by Falafel (user info) at 2007-11-01 23:35:13 EDT (#)
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Funniest thing I've seen today: Coming home on the bus and seeing someone reading their religious studies/theology textbook then put it away and pull out another one by Richard Dawkins. I <3 MSVU
Submitted by monkeyswithguns (user info) at 2007-11-01 07:47:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2007-10-30 20:24:42 EDT (#)
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Religious people are like every other kind of people. There are those who do it right - they choose their own path to understanding, and they use it to improve their own life and the lives of those around them. And then there are those who do it wrong - they are unquestioning zealots who use their faith as a crutch, and believe it gives them carte blanche to judge and condemn others.
There is no heaven or hell aside from the one you make for yourself, here, now, in this life. I think the best-lived lives have some of both.
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Excellent commentary.
Submitted by Fungah (user info) at 2007-10-31 22:40:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by sicosemen (user info) at 2007-10-31 07:28:27 EDT (#)
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Welcome, continue to not suck and we'll get along swimmingly.
-2DIE NOOB.
Submitted by DaBeast (user info) at 2007-10-31 22:11:37 EDT (#)
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Don't ya love it when the narrow-minded fanatics start negative twoing you left right and sideways as if their vast ignorance actually matters?
Keep the (lack of) faith, brutha.
Submitted by robotfuel (user info) at 2007-10-31 19:21:25 EDT (#)
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"Pseudo-intellectual babble."
"Yet another pseudo-intellectual jagoff who has somehow figured out the "truth" and eclipsed the minds of such thinkers as Voltaire, Aquinas, and Galileo."
I don't claim to know the "truth" or propose that I've eclipsed the minds of any of the great philosophers. I never stated I was an expert on philosophy. I'm simply presenting my viewpoint to the best of my ability and as truthfully as I am able to. I don't "critique the work of professionals, while lacking the requisite background knowledge and experience to have an informed opinion."
"-|Someone who comments on, or is knowledgeable of, disciplines outside his or her own field of study is not a pseudointellectual, as long as he or she is intellectually honest and does not misrepresent his or her own background and understanding of the subject.|-"
The point is, I'm not attempting to sell anyone anything (idea or product-wise), garner money from anyone or trick anyone. This is a site where you are able to express your viewpoint. This is mine based on events that have happened in my life written, again, to the best of my ability at this point in time.
"How original!"
The same could be said for sarcasm. I can't seem to find it anywhere on the Internet.
indoninja - That was an interesting article, thank you.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2007-10-31 18:34:25 EDT (#)
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Yet another pseudo-intellectual jagoff who has somehow figured out the "truth" and eclipsed the minds of such thinkers as Voltaire, Aquinas, and Galileo. How original!
Submitted by Darth_Famine (user info) at 2007-10-31 12:42:43 EDT (#)
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Amen
perhaps you should join the church of the flying spaghetti monster I did and it worked wonders for me :P
Don't worry I won't pray for you, but I will go out every day and keep trying to educate those poor superstitious masses that cling to their god because they are too afraid to face reality.
Submitted by Director (user info) at 2007-10-31 11:35:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2007-10-30 20:24:42 EDT (#)
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Religious people are like every other kind of people. There are those who do it right - they choose their own path to understanding, and they use it to improve their own life and the lives of those around them. And then there are those who do it wrong - they are unquestioning zealots who use their faith as a crutch, and believe it gives them carte blanche to judge and condemn others.
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Bitch be on target, yo.
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2007-10-31 09:32:32 EDT (#)
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Religion is not the antithesis of knowledge, silly ol' bear.
Submitted by sicosemen (user info) at 2007-10-31 07:28:27 EDT (#)
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Welcome, continue to not suck and we'll get along swimmingly.
-2DIE NOOB.
Submitted by odin (user info) at 2007-10-31 05:51:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-10-30 21:41:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Tom (user info) at 2007-10-30 18:28:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-30 14:12:08 PDT (#)
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I don't believe in God but (1) I am tired of seeing Christians taking it up the ass in this country
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that's only where YOU live, Bub...the Christian Taliban is alive and well in the Red States.
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Yeah, come to Colorado Springs and try telling me that Christians are oppressed.
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Colorado Springs?? Hey, man,I seen the dude. I have lived in the Springs
my ENTIRE life, aka 58 years. Where you at, dude?
Submitted by laika (user info) at 2007-10-30 21:11:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by St_Jimmy (user info) at 2007-10-30 20:14:31 EDT (#)
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Yawn. Promoting faith. Promoting lack of faith. It's all the same thing. Some whiny cunt yelling about how he knows all the answers and you don't. If you don't agree with him, then you're either going to hell (Pat Robertson) or an irrational zealot (Richard Dawkins).
Yawn. Another idiot promoting cheap cynical nihilism.
If you think it's all the same thing go live in afghanistan or saudi arabia, dumbfuck.
Submitted by monkeyswithguns (user info) at 2007-10-30 20:27:51 EDT (#)
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I don't have time to read this right this moment, but I'm interested in this topic, and I'll check it out later.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2007-10-30 20:24:42 EDT (#)
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Religious people are like every other kind of people. There are those who do it right - they choose their own path to understanding, and they use it to improve their own life and the lives of those around them. And then there are those who do it wrong - they are unquestioning zealots who use their faith as a crutch, and believe it gives them carte blanche to judge and condemn others.
There is no heaven or hell aside from the one you make for yourself, here, now, in this life. I think the best-lived lives have some of both.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-30 20:17:09 EDT (#)
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And I am not religious. Agnostic or athiest depending on your (or my current) definition of god. Religion is not a stublimng block to learning or science, except for the lazy, and they wouldn't be making strides in either of those with or without religion.
An ignorant miserable fuck who doesn't believe in God is no different than an ignorant miserable fuck who does believe in God.
Submitted by St_Jimmy (user info) at 2007-10-30 20:14:31 EDT (#)
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Yawn. Promoting faith. Promoting lack of faith. It's all the same thing. Some whiny cunt yelling about how he knows all the answers and you don't. If you don't agree with him, then you're either going to hell (Pat Robertson) or an irrational zealot (Richard Dawkins).
Militant atheists are just as annoying as militant christians. Militant muslims are slightly more annoying, but that's ONLY because of the whole cutting off heads bit.
It reminds me of a line written by the great 20th century American poet, DMX.
"The game is a lot bigger than you think you know, and if you think you know, then I don't think you know."
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-30 20:07:26 EDT (#)
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"One path would lead us to the intellectual revolution needed to evolve into a species worth knowing cosmically and the other would lead us down a path we know very well. The path of intolerance, war mongering, totalitarian control and the sad celebration of ignorance. "
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1987/PSCF9-87Lindberg.html
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-30 20:01:50 EDT (#)
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It helps me to become a better person and not persecute (see: judge harshly*) others who might not believe the same as I do or whose way of life I might find offensive.
*unless they are religious
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-10-30 19:57:48 EDT (#)
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My generation is rejecting the intellectual depravity religion uses as a base for a lifetime of false promises and exaggerated claims.
Submitted by Wompom (user info) at 2007-10-30 18:46:03 EDT (#)
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I was going to try and reason with your mom about sex, but then I read the second sentence. Shouldn't have even read that far.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2007-10-30 18:33:38 EDT (#)
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Pseudo-intellectual babble.
Submitted by Tom (user info) at 2007-10-30 18:28:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2007-10-30 15:39:49 MDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-30 14:12:08 PDT (#)
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I don't believe in God but (1) I am tired of seeing Christians taking it up the ass in this country
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that's only where YOU live, Bub...the Christian Taliban is alive and well in the Red States.
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Yeah, come to Colorado Springs and try telling me that Christians are oppressed.
Submitted by Director (user info) at 2007-10-30 18:11:12 EDT (#)
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I didn't jerk off much as a kid. My mom caught me once and being a frigid Irish Catholic, she beat the shit out of me and made me feel horribly guilty. I also thought I was gonna go to hell for that.
Submitted by beat_raven (user info) at 2007-10-30 18:03:01 EDT (#)
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exactly
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-10-30 16:55:05 EDT (#)
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well written.
apparently being one of the few weirdos on here that believes in a god of some sort, i'm wondering does anyone else see that logic and reason do not actually have to go against belief in a god or deity but can easily go against the religious?
christ, when people say it's unscientific, illogical, unreasonable, irrational that's them assuming that they know everything and that collectively apparently so does mankind.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2007-10-30 17:39:49 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-30 14:12:08 PDT (#)
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I don't believe in God but (1) I am tired of seeing Christians taking it up the ass in this country
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that's only where YOU live, Bub...the Christian Taliban is alive and well in the Red States.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-10-30 17:22:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by vergedor (user info) at 2007-10-30 17:16:32 EDT (#)
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thank you...
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-10-30 17:12:08 EDT (#)
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I don't believe in God but (1) I am tired of seeing Christians taking it up the ass in this country when every other religion gets a free pass, and (2) I find it interesting to see hardcore scientists who believe in God and balance cold, immutable scientific fact with pure faith.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-10-30 17:07:42 EDT (#)
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excellent.
Eventually the USA will be a post-religious society like other developed nations.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-10-30 16:55:05 EDT (#)
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well written.
apparently being one of the few weirdos on here that believes in a god of some sort, i'm wondering does anyone else see that logic and reason do not actually have to go against belief in a god or deity but can easily go against the religious?
christ, when people say it's unscientific, illogical, unreasonable, irrational that's them assuming that they know everything and that collectively apparently so does mankind.
Submitted by ChaosJester (user info) at 2007-10-30 16:53:42 EDT (#)
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Bah!
My non-evolved ass is gonna bash you over the head wit me club an' steal your wimminz.
RARRRR!