A curiosity question for other states/countries (823 hits)
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Submitted by Bubba2341 (View user info) at 2007-11-19 21:00:11 EST
Problem: My son rents a small house from a despicable, crotchety old man (not me- another one) The place has a lot of trees, and the roots invaded the underground pipes, causing the toilets to back up into the house.
The landlord said it wasn't his responsibility, and refused to pay the bill. My son is taking the old coot to court.
The question: what are the laws in states other than Colorado? How about in the rest of the world? Just curious.
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-02-16 02:49:48 EST (#)
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he should hire Johnny Cochran!
Submitted by haikumikoo (user info) at 2008-02-16 01:56:26 EST (#)
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Google.
Submitted by TheDivided (user info) at 2008-01-20 19:22:35 EST (#)
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Submitted by OscarZAcosta (user info) at 2007-11-21 08:35:42 EST (#)
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Submitted by Yams (user info) at 2007-11-20 21:37:03 EST (#)
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INTERNET TOUGH GUY HERE, YOUR OLD MAN INSULTS HAVE NO EFFECT. I'D TELL YOU TO GROW UP, BUT I KNOW YOU HAVE ANOTHER PATHETIC AND SUPPOSEDLY DEROGAGTORY REMARK TO RESPOND WITH.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-11-20 20:04:52 EST (#)
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Yams: Fuck you in the ass, you moron. NO FUCKING SHIT I could have googled the info. That wouldn't have involved the attention-starved Uber group, would it? You ignorant dipshit, all you want to do is sound cool, and you failed. Bite me. You too, Oh-feel-ya, you stupid twat.
Yozz: Thanks, bud, you're OK.
Everyone else who responded in a civil manner: Thanks a bunch.
Submitted by idodeklair (user info) at 2007-11-20 18:37:23 EST (#)
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Just dealt with a similar issue here in Georgia. Me: 1 Landlord: 0
Submitted by TheDoctor (user info) at 2007-11-20 17:30:44 EST (#)
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Oh dear Yozz.
Submitted by Yozz (user info) at 2007-11-20 17:23:36 EST (#)
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Submitted by TheDoctor (user info) at 2007-11-20 17:08:06 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Talibandrew (user info) at 2007-11-20 13:24:05 EST (#)
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In Washington State, this would be the landlords problem. It is his property and all maintenance, unless otherwise stated in the rental agreement, is the landlords responsibility. He should be the one to fix the pipes and to pay for repairs.
Submitted by monkeyswithguns (user info) at 2007-11-20 11:09:05 EST (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-11-20 09:32:18 EST (#)
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generally that falls under the property owners responsibility especially if he knew about it. he will most likely lose in court.
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If it is presented properly, your son WILL win the case. This of course is assuming it can be proved that he knew about the problem beforehand, which may need to be drawn out of him through questioning in court.
*If so, and it can be proven, it's a clear case of negligence on the part of the property owner, and he can also be charged for the hotel bills for where your son stays.
*contrary state laws notwithstanding.
Or your son could just move elsewhere, and take him to small claims to recoup his deposit.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-11-20 09:32:18 EST (#)
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generally that falls under the property owners responsibility especially if he knew about it. he will most likely lose in court.
Submitted by Yams (user info) at 2007-11-20 08:34:24 EST (#)
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Submitted by Flying_buttmonkey (user info) at 2007-11-20 07:29:01 EST (#)
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I work for a landlord and I have little to add beyond what everyone else has said. Up to the curtailage of the property it'd be the local authority's responsibility. After that, it's the owner of the property.
(Completely unrelated, but Broadmoor is a prison for nutters and mentalists around these parts)
(not that we lock them up just for being a nutter or a mentalist, they have to have done something naughty first)
(and not just the sort of naughty that involves shouting mean things to old people, more like pushing them under the wheels of a moving vehicle)
(which doesn't always stick in court. At least that's what my solicitor says)
Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2007-11-20 07:28:24 EST (#)
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Isn't this a Tigerlily post?
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Submitted by sicosemen (user info) at 2007-11-20 07:26:24 EST (#)
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Quit being so fucking retarded. You couldn't be serious with this, could you?
Submitted by Yams (user info) at 2007-11-20 05:25:10 EST (#)
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P.S. I FORGOT TO TELL YOU, I AM SHOUTING SO YOU CAN HEAR ME.
Submitted by Yams (user info) at 2007-11-20 05:24:51 EST (#)
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Submitted by stone8946 (user info) at 2007-11-20 05:14:32 EST (#)
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Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2007-11-20 00:30:25 EST (#)
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Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2007-11-20 00:17:06 EST (#)
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if you live in the states and the place is rented to him the original landowner should pay the repair bill. i'll look this up tomorrow and cite the exact law.
Submitted by ghola (user info) at 2007-11-20 00:05:26 EST (#)
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does he have a lease?
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-11-19 23:20:11 EST (#)
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Thanks for the input, people. Ima go to sleep now.
I appreciate the info on other places.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-11-19 23:14:23 EST (#)
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landlord is responsible for just about everything in england. amd rightly so.
Submitted by Wildman (user info) at 2007-11-19 23:02:13 EST (#)
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If the trees are on his property, he is resonsible <period> <dot>
Submitted by RyuFu (user info) at 2007-11-19 22:25:56 EST (#)
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NY State:
"Did you sign a lease? Then what the fuck are you complaining about?"
"You didn't sign a lease? That's your problem."
Seriously, though, I think it depends on the state of the plumbing when he moved in. If there were problems from the outset, he shouldn't have signed the lease, or at least written a report on what sucked and had the landlord sign it and then have it notarized.
Actually, regardless of that, the landlord is required to provide means for suitable plumbing, gas, electric etc. Landlord just isn't necessarily obligated to pay for it.
I guess it comes down to the root cause (no pun intended) of the backed up plumbing. At a glance, I'd say it's the landlord's responsibility to make sure the trees don't interfere with plumbing, so it's his money. Additionally, we have stiff laws to protect tenants from retaliatory behavior from the landlord.
I live on the 2nd floor of a house, the landlord lives on the first floor. They yelled at me about bringing over my fiancee to sleep over, saying it violated my lease. I looked over my lease, concluded they were full of shit and have continued to do so. The sex is now louder just to spite them.
That's all I've got. I guess your son should just read every last word of the lease and check all state housing laws and tenants' rights. It sounds like he'll be alright ultimately.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2007-11-19 22:20:23 EST (#)
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MN puts pretty much everything on the landlord's back.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-11-19 22:14:59 EST (#)
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Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2007-11-19 22:12:43 EST (#)
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Your son is obviously pooping way too much.
Call Starkist.
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Sorry, Charley, Starkist wants turds that taste good, not turds with good taste.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2007-11-19 22:12:43 EST (#)
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Your son is obviously pooping way too much.
Call Starkist.
Submitted by DeMoNiC (user info) at 2007-11-19 22:11:42 EST (#)
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Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2007-11-20 13:04:51 EST (#)
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I believe here in Missouri that unless otherwise specified, the landlord is resposible.
Sometimes not though but only in special renting situations.
For example, an aquaintance lives in a townhome community where she had to buy a membership. The inside of the townhome is considered hers and she is responsible for any and all repairs, remodeling, maintainance, but the outside is the responsibility of the management (damaged exterior, driveway damage, lawn care).
Here though, if it is a rental situation, the landlord is responsible.
I rent and I call the landlord unless it's something simple like replacing the toilet tank doo-dad. I had to do that earlier this year. Instead of waiting for the maintainance guy to get around to me, I just did it myself
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People like you get us real estate people in the shit with landlords. The landlord will be nice over the phone to you, then 5 minutes later will be calling us complaining that the tenant called them. That's what generally happens hear anyway.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-11-19 22:11:09 EST (#)
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Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2007-11-19 22:00:32 EST (#)
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If you took it upon yourself to address the problem, you may find the 'landload' coming back on you for damages (real or imagined) should you decide to sue. Sure, it is the landlord's responsibility to maintain the premises, but the Roto-Rooter bill couldn't have been more than a couple hundred dollars. Your attorney will cost far more than that, and while (if in fact you win) you may achieve a moral victory, the only real winners will be the lawyers.
suck it up, pack the kid's stuff, and move him to a decent place or (in this market) help him to buy something. Fuck renting and everything in it's saddlebags.
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My son sees the attorney tomorrow at 1:00PM, and he said the lawyer intimated that the news was favorable. We'll see in less than 24 hours, folks.
Skrap, I agree that my kid should get the fuck out of that house. It isn't a slummy dive, but it ain't the Broadmoor, either. <---- Colorado Springs reference.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-11-19 22:05:13 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-11-19 21:57:40 EST (#)
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One word: RENTS.
The old bastard OWNS it, the old bastard has to FIX it.
(That first line cracked me up...)
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First line? What chu mean? I'm a good coot. I am.:)
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2007-11-19 22:04:51 EST (#)
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I believe here in Missouri that unless otherwise specified, the landlord is resposible.
Sometimes not though but only in special renting situations.
For example, an aquaintance lives in a townhome community where she had to buy a membership. The inside of the townhome is considered hers and she is responsible for any and all repairs, remodeling, maintainance, but the outside is the responsibility of the management (damaged exterior, driveway damage, lawn care).
Here though, if it is a rental situation, the landlord is responsible.
I rent and I call the landlord unless it's something simple like replacing the toilet tank doo-dad. I had to do that earlier this year. Instead of waiting for the maintainance guy to get around to me, I just did it myself.
Submitted by DeMoNiC (user info) at 2007-11-19 22:03:15 EST (#)
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Mainly depends on the condition of the house when the tenancy agreement was signed by all parties. While it is the landlords legal obligation to keep houses in completely livable standards, I.E electricity and plumbing, etc in accordance with local laws/guidlines, if the lease WAS signed in full knowledge of the conditions you outlined, you'd still have a fight on your hands. In saying that, the old cunt should definitely fulfill his legal obligations and fix ALL the above problems.
Property management isn't my area of expertise, though obviously that shit all happens in the same office where I work.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2007-11-19 22:00:32 EST (#)
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If you took it upon yourself to address the problem, you may find the 'landload' coming back on you for damages (real or imagined) should you decide to sue. Sure, it is the landlord's responsibility to maintain the premises, but the Roto-Rooter bill couldn't have been more than a couple hundred dollars. Your attorney will cost far more than that, and while (if in fact you win) you may achieve a moral victory, the only real winners will be the lawyers.
suck it up, pack the kid's stuff, and move him to a decent place or (in this market) help him to buy something. Fuck renting and everything in it's saddlebags.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-11-19 21:57:40 EST (#)
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One word: RENTS.
The old bastard OWNS it, the old bastard has to FIX it.
(That first line cracked me up...)
Submitted by Hookhand (user info) at 2007-11-19 21:54:28 EST (#)
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Yeah, what Phallic said. I just had Property Law, too. It sucked.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-11-19 21:53:03 EST (#)
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Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2007-11-19 21:47:53 EST (#)
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There are machines, like a drain snake with teeth, that can be pushed into the sewer pipe to nibble away the roots. Call the local Roto-Rooter for more info.
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Bob, we understand that. We called a friend of the family and he showed up with his snake and fixed the problem. I paid the bill in my son's name, but I think we are gonna stick the landlord. He is a bigger asshole thai am, if you can believe that. :)
Submitted by ilikesteak (user info) at 2007-11-19 21:51:53 EST (#)
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If he doesn't fuck up by doing something extremely stupid, your boy should win.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2007-11-19 21:47:53 EST (#)
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There are machines, like a drain snake with teeth, that can be pushed into the sewer pipe to nibble away the roots. Call the local Roto-Rooter for more info.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2007-11-19 21:45:31 EST (#)
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The landlord is responsible for maintenance of the property. The sewer pipes are part of the property. The city/town/borough/whatever is only responsible for the sewer pipes up to the curbline.
Get a lawyer.
Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2007-11-19 21:34:04 EST (#)
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In my state in Australia it would be subject to the terms of the lease agreement but the general rule is as follows:
<law student voice>
Under s25 of the Residential Tenancies Act 1987, where the tenant holds under a "residential tenancy agreement", the landlord must maintain the premises in a reasonable state of repair (subject to a tenant's responsibility to ameliorate waste), having regard to their age, prospective life, and the rent payable. Once the lease has commenced, the landlord is not liable for later arising defects until the landlord receives notice of the disrepair, either from the tenant or from some other reliable source.
-Paraphrased from: Butt, P Land Law, 2005, Lawbook Co, Sydney, pp318-319-
</law student voice>
Yes, i just did Property Law this year and yes, i'm very fucking bored.
So in other words it's the old dudes responsibility unless the lease agreement expressly provided otherwise.
Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2007-11-19 21:29:26 EST (#)
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Good Question. In this part of Canada, if you're apartment or other rental loses power or water or what-have-you you don't have to pay rent until the situation is fixed.
Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2007-11-19 21:23:48 EST (#)
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Check. You might be surprised.
Tell him it's his place, and to fix it or else you'll just call the county health dept and building codes inspector.. and he'll be out of a rental property and into some hefty fines and a condemned house.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-11-19 21:20:26 EST (#)
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Thanks, GodChicken. I think that's how it should be everywhere, but laws are pretty stupid in some places. Thanks again.
Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2007-11-19 21:17:11 EST (#)
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here in california, if you rent, you need renter's insurance to cover your own belongings, but problems that occur like this (roots clogging the septic system or sewer/water lines) are the responsibility of the OWNER, completely.
In fact, if the property becomes uninhabitable at any point due to threats to health, you are well within your rights to cease paying any rent until they resolve the problem. Also, they may be liable to repay YOU for hotel/motel expenses during the time the building is uninhabitable.
Fuck that old man. He probably knew the trees were causing a problem several years ago and did nothing.