The lesser of two evils: a Political Commentary. (864 hits)
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Submitted by DarthFaded (View user info) at 2008-01-17 14:43:20 EST
I am an Uber-Senior Citizen. User 160... Hehe, I should be telling stories of the good old days of Uber. I digress... perhaps another time.
Over my tenure here I have gone in every direction one could go with the things that I write about. As of late my posts are few and far between, generally reserved for the times that I am not occupied with my adult responsibilities, of which occupy the majority f my time. Shit happens when you get a little older, have a couple kids, get a mortgage payment, and so forth and so on.
Where at one point I would have gladly written about some non-sensical shock topic, I find myself compelled to comment on a far greater topic. American Politics.... more specifically the two party system.
Maybe it is because the U.S. is entering another presidential election year... maybe it has just come with age and concern for the America that will be for my children, either way the American citizen is being bombarded on a daily basis with the propaganda of the Republican and Democratic National Parties...
In my opinion.. the 2 party system is rotting this Country from the inside out. Why? I will tell you why... Agenda.
The world does not operate in Black and White, Life is a collection of grey areas, that we do our best to fare in... How in the world is the concept of Government any different?
Regardless of where you lie with respect to political affiliation, Each party has an AGENDA. Shifting power of the Senate and House to support a presidential elect and his policies, being properly positioned to appoint a Supreme Court Justice and ensure the longevity of a parties political interest... These are all things that are infecting and corrupting the system of checks and balances that is suppose to preserve the liberty of democracy.
I pose this scenario without direct reference. I am intentionally staying away from hot issues in my example so as to avoid this evolving in to a discussion about the issues rather than a discussion about the system.
party 1- Liberal in nature focused on Nationalism of the 3 big issues they lie on the side of the "Pro".
party 2- Conservative in nature focused on Foreign relations and policy 3 big issues on the side of "Con"
Now of course there are the political Purists out there that fall directly in line with their respective parties, I would generally believe these individuals to be a minority factor.
So that being said now you have the rest of us...
Those that dwell in the realm of "a little of column A, a little of column B" One may be liberal but Con on some issues, or one may, believe a need for conservative policy and a focus of National reform. What for thise people...
After all the hoopla of the Race to the White house, on election day, we have essentially 2 choices.
One Democratic.... One Republican...
Ok, Ok yeah I am sure that Ralph Nader will be on there, as well as a motley group of other incumbent candidates that are on the ballot just because they can be.... to make a statement that their beliefs are out there... but realistically none will ever win in our lifetime... at least not foreseeably.
When it comes right down to it... when the day comes to vote, we aren't voting for the person we think is best for the Job anymore... We are casting our vote for the one that seems least likely to be a jackoff.
Is that Democracy?
You know I love being an American. I served in the Marine Corps and have a good deal of National Pride. But we are an Arrogant people... Yeah.. we overcame some odds... We do have alot of power.... but lets be realistic here... We have really only been around for a smidgen over 230 years... that is nothing in comparison to Great Britain or China... So how is it we think we our system of government is better than anyone elses?
On paper, nearly any concisely written idea looks great.... placed in the hands of man, and made subject to human nature, the flaws and weaknesses of anything will become apparent, as is today in our political system.
What is the Answer?
Sadly, I have no idea. The power lies with the powers that be... Maybe someday politicians will remember that they are there to serve us and not vice versa... All I know is that We should be telling them what is important to us, not us being told to choose a side on what they believe to be important to us.
Oh well, I guess I have to just go with the old adage that, " our system may not be perfect but it's the best one we Got"
AHHH Apathy.....Ain' t it grand?
I leave you with the seemingly relevant quote and photo cap...
"You're fooling yourself, We're living in a dictatorship..."
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Submitted by His_Infernal_Majesty (user info) at 2008-01-19 09:25:24 EST (#)
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"Who the hell are you?"
"I am Arthur, King of the Britains"
"Well I didn't vote for you!"
Submitted by zxcvvcxz (user info) at 2008-01-18 12:57:40 EST (#)
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True enough. In my opinion, the worst part of the "two pary system" is when the two parties are as similar as mainstream Republicans and Democrats are. Sure, there are liberal democrats and ultra-conservative republicans, but they're never taken seriously anyway. To be elected president, you almost have to align yourself as close to the center as possible. On one hand, these candidates do represent a good portion of Americans... but on the other hand that doesn't leave a whole lot of choice for the rest of us. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government, but I'm not sure this is either.
Submitted by DarthFaded (user info) at 2008-01-18 10:59:46 EST (#)
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It is like we are caught in a perpetual cycle of repetition of "Well we can't change now because of ABC XYZ"
Maybe to move forward we need to look backwards...
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"
~Thomas Jefferson
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-01-18 09:13:19 EST (#)
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isn't it though? that guy locksly is a grade-a retard.
anyway, another thing i was thinking of this morning is that i think it's easy to get apathetic about politics because the minority of people who actually understand our government and real world issues (a lot of people make their choice based on which candidate claims to be against abortion. come on, people) feel defeated because it's impossible to beat an army of idiots when it comes to democracy. if most people are stupid and the majority wins with our system of government, how will we ever get better?
here's how it works-
"i like Bush because he is opposed to abortion, which is a very serious matter for me!"
so someone that would say something like that votes for Bush. Bush invades two countries. hundreds of thousands of people die. an entire region becomes destabilized and the people suffer more than ever. families are destroyed on both sides. our enemies are even more pissed off.
the next election rolls around.
Bush says, "our enemies are trying to kill us now more than ever. vote for me because i can keep you safe.".
the same retard that voted for him before thinks "i like being safe. the media reports that Bush is saying that we are not safe. i will vote for Bush again.".
Bush gets re-elected, the warring continues, more people die, more families are destroyed, the national deficit keeps rising (http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/) and people still don't realize the consequences of war.
i could explain this much better, but this was rather spur of the moment vomiting of the thoughts in my head. when the majority of people are able to make, rational, sane, logical, informed decisions, we will be better off as a country. for now, people are still concerned about things like the candidate's religion, skin color, gender, abortion, or immigration. IMMIGRATION??? yes, Mexicans are going to destroy the American way of life.... come on, people, THINK. they just want a piece of the American dream, just like your ancenstors did when they signed in at Ellis Island. America is all about making a better life for all people who want to live here. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. i can come up with ideas far better than something stupid like building a fucking fence in a 15 minute brain-storming session. fuck, make it easier for Mexicans to come here and when Mexico starts to realize everyone is trying to leave, maybe they will get off their ass and start making their country a good place to live instead of a good place for Americans to come for vacation.
ok, now i'm just rambling aimlessly. i'm done. my main point is that people need to educate themselves on our system of government and start caring about things that have the potential to make us better, like our piss-poor education system that everyone seems to just accept, or rising taxes and the terrible shape of the US dollar, or personal liberties that are being taken away more and more as time goes on, etc, etc, etc.
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2008-01-18 07:09:37 EST (#)
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"Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-01-17 23:48:12 EST (#)
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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2008-01-17 20:09:50 EST (#)
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"as long as we care more about the next flavor of doritos in development than we do about the direction we take as a society, things will stay the same."
Submitted by locksly (user info) at 2008-01-17 21:26:09 EST (#)
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"every. fucking. election. time. same. old .shit. and people think they are the first to put their 'unique' spin on it.
NO ONE FUCKING CARES"
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OH, THE IRONY!"
yeah i thought that was pretty good too
Submitted by DarthFaded (user info) at 2008-01-18 00:19:02 EST (#)
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They're both aggregates of unrelated beliefs.
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Very very well stated....
That comment about the extended warranty... Too funny and so true....
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2008-01-17 23:54:55 EST (#)
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Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-01-17 23:48:12 EST (#)
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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2008-01-17 20:09:50 EST (#)
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"as long as we care more about the next flavor of doritos in development than we do about the direction we take as a society, things will stay the same."
Submitted by locksly (user info) at 2008-01-17 21:26:09 EST (#)
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"every. fucking. election. time. same. old .shit. and people think they are the first to put their 'unique' spin on it.
NO ONE FUCKING CARES"
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OH, THE IRONY!
the presidential elections for our country are the equivalent of the popularity content that is the elections for class president in high school. the majority of Americans don't have minds that have evolved much further than that of a teenager. i see it every day. a lot of people are good at playing the part of an adult most of the time (like in a corporate meeting for example) until emotions are involved and then you find that they can only operate on the level of a teenager still when emotions are involved. i'm guilty of it myself. i was in a UAV hangar today and my boss made me mad. i started screaming at him and told him to go fuck himself and then i started tromping around the hangar, yelling at everyone while they just stared at me. i had to take a breath and realize i was acting like a child. i rarely fly off the handle like that, but today was a very high stress day due to a very important and very expensive deadline that was fast approaching.
anyway....
every successful salesperson i've ever talked to has told me sales are about emotion. if you can't manipulate human emotion, you aren't going to sell much.
most politicians are really just car salesmen in more expensive suits and they'll talk America into buying that extended warranty every fucking time.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2008-01-17 21:39:07 EST (#)
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Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2008-01-17 21:35:45 EST (#)
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Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2008-01-17 21:06:30 EST (#)
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"I'm for individual rights and a free market."
"It's not the system's fault in my view. It's the people's fault for not knowing what they want or why. For their ideological fallacies. We get what we pay for."
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For an annoying little douchebag - you have this uncanny ability to make some very salient points from time to time.
Submitted by locksly (user info) at 2008-01-17 21:26:09 EST (#)
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every. fucking. election. time. same. old .shit. and people think they are the first to put their 'unique' spin on it.
NO ONE FUCKING CARES
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2008-01-17 21:06:30 EST (#)
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If political issues are just shades of gray, this muddled patachwork mixed economy is ideal.
I'm a political purist, which is precisely why I don't agree with liberalism or conservatism entirely. They're both aggregates of unrelated beliefs. I'm consistently for individual rights and a free market, which neither of those ideas is.
It's not the system's fault in my view. It's the people's fault for not knowing what they want or why. For their ideological fallacies. We get what we pay for.
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2008-01-17 20:09:50 EST (#)
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"The world does not operate in Black and White, Life is a collection of grey areas, that we do our best to fare in... How in the world is the concept of Government any different?"
of course, it's not. and what is really worrisome is not that the political race operates on a black & white agenda. it's all grayscale. you either get a guy who raises your salami tax 2% or a guy who raises the diamond tax 1%. they will shout at each about morals they don't hold for days on end, before an audience of literally millions, and they will do this without shame or even fear of being called out. because every time evidence is presented to countermand one claim, another can made to justify the first.
there is no black and white. it's all fucking grayscale. we don't even know what black and white look like in this country anymore. the closest thing we have is a goddamn comedian -a COMEDIAN- who has one of those colors for a surname and points out that the only difference between the two parties is that one has bad ideas, and the other has no ideas. all you have to do is listen to a neocon babble about how far left wing obama is, or a psychotic hippie vegan going on about how bush is worse than hitler. we've adopted what we've seen on television and in print to the point where we don't even want to act like rational human beings. think about it; on a personal level, how many people do you personally know that you can say is worse than hitler. i don't mean in an offhanded way, we all talk shit. how many times have you been able to say that about someone and sincerely believe your own ridiculous words.
but we can judge from afar, and this lets us judge with far too much scrutiny. the political scene has become so far removed from the people that nowadays it's little more than another reality tv show. and it somehow manages to have even less reality in it than those.
but worst of all is that we tell ourselves it's the politicians' fault. it's not their fault. it's not the system's fault. it's our fault. as long as we care more about the next flavor of doritos in development than we do about the direction we take as a society, things will stay the same. the truth is the current way of things is decent enough for most people. they bitch and whine and moan but you don't see them starting any fucking revolutions. and the idea of america was to have a nation that could develop according to the people's needs in the best way possible WITHOUT resorting to peasant revolts. but you're only going to be treated as well as you believe yourself worthy of being treated. this is true in friendship, relationships, business, and politics. if you act like a chump, other people will notice this and will satisfy the needs you profess to have by treating you like a chump.
and they are not evil for doing this. they are doing nothing more than fulfilling a request. it's not admirable, no. but they are not the root of the problem. even now, regardless of what the kinds of people who blame nader for the democrats losing an election say, we are at the base level. we control everything. but since our fist is loose, nothing gets done. and we are running out of sand.
Submitted by DarthFaded (user info) at 2008-01-17 20:08:46 EST (#)
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We have a two-party system because despite the brewing storm in the economy, despite the money flowing out in this war, in outsourcing, and in debt, despite the rising energy costs and the slumping housing market, there's still a healthy portion of the public out there who, if polled, will tell you that abortion/prayer in school/gay marriage. Even worse, a bulk of these people will tell you that they choose a candidate based on their race/age/looks/rumors they hear on the net. A working democracy requires active citizens who educate themselves on the topics that matter most. We don't have that.
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It is true... Ignorance breeds apathy.
But to quote William Bernbach "Familiarity breeds apathy" as well.
That being said we have several generations of citizens that have essentially lost faith in the belief that their voice matters... Our population has accepted that the system is what the system is... and it isn't gonna change....
Submitted by DarthFaded (user info) at 2008-01-17 20:03:04 EST (#)
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The beauty of criticism is that I don't have to provide a solution. :) So to answer those that made comments about the triteness of this post... Well, please kindly STFU.... I titled the post "Commentary" so you could read between the fucking lines.
I personally think the main problem is the Human Factor. Plain and simple. Human naturally crave power....
<b> Power Corrupts, Absolute Power Corrupts ABSOLUTE </B>
Therefore after 231 some odd years of stress testing the bounds and means of a system with room left for interpretation within it's foundation... here we are..... Those with the fortitude and the determination have found out how to manipulate the system.
Essentially having established political parties occupying all sects of our system of government it is pretty much an Us against them Mentality, therefore no one stands alone because they don't want to stand alone... so they stand united with their groups... which adhere to an agenda... and individual voice are squelched or simply silenced....
Hell group affiliation are used to manipulate nearly all sects of our society...
oh and yeah.... I did use incumbent improperly.... sorry.... but you did get my point I think...
Director, I'd have fought with you had I checked back in on my post earlier and noticed your throwing of the proverbial gauntlet a little earlier...... I will get you next time around...
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-01-17 19:50:50 EST (#)
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"As of late my posts are few and far between, generally reserved for the times that I am not occupied with my adult responsibilities, of which occupy the majority f my time. Shit happens when you get a little older, have a couple kids, get a mortgage payment, and so forth and so on."
i can't stand being an adult anymore. i wish i could go back to the military and just have fun again.
you know what really gets me? Americans see their government as rulers over them. they don't understand what our government is all about. i blame our piss poor education system. even retards like sicosemen can fall through the cracks. anyway, a lot of Americans really do think of the president almost like a monarch. hell, sometimes even the president himself does too. it's deplorable for someone like Bush to say "i am the decider" as if he rules on high.
NEWS FLASH- THE PRESIDENT WORKS FOR US. he can only make a decision if the majority agrees (or is too stupid to realize that it is illegal for him to go cowboy whenever he feels like it). the governement is a system FOR THE PEOPLE. we have the government for things like protecting us and making our lives easier and better. you like driving on roads without tolls? we give taxes to the government to do things like build roads for us so that private companies don't build all the roads and charge you to drive on them every time you want to go to the store for some milk.
it makes me so sick to my stomach that most Americans don't even understand our government on the most basic level. what makes me even sicker is when people decide on which person they will punch on the ballot based on that candidate's religion, or gender, or skin color, etc.
aw fuck, i'm done ranting. time for some porn.
USER #510 REPRESENT!
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2008-01-17 19:07:03 EST (#)
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We have a two-party system because despite the brewing storm in the economy, despite the money flowing out in this war, in outsourcing, and in debt, despite the rising energy costs and the slumping housing market, there's still a healthy portion of the public out there who, if polled, will tell you that abortion/prayer in school/gay marriage. Even worse, a bulk of these people will tell you that they choose a candidate based on their race/age/looks/rumors they hear on the net. A working democracy requires active citizens who educate themselves on the topics that matter most. We don't have that.
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2008-01-17 18:56:06 EST (#)
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Oh, so you think you could do a better job all on your own?
Must be nice to be Mr.Fantastic over here.
Submitted by Director (user info) at 2008-01-17 16:23:42 EST (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-01-17 16:16:20 EST (#)
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i wouldn't vote for you if it's not allowed to have sex with kids :-(
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This is a carry over from the days when Caulains father put his cock in wee Cauls mouth. Now Caul is a grown man and sexually craves squirrels and 5 year old boys and 12 year old girls. It's horrible, the results an abused childhood render.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-01-17 16:16:20 EST (#)
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i wouldn't vote for you if it's not allowed to have sex with kids :-(
Submitted by Yozz (user info) at 2008-01-17 16:12:14 EST (#)
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Here's an idea.
The founding fathers (of the United States) had one overwhelming concern in their mind when they designed their new government - decentralization of power. That is, they wanted to make sure that no one person or group could seize power and ride herd over the rest of us. So they created a system that would inevitably result in GRIDLOCK. The purpose of this was to REQUIRE all parties to form coalitions and barter/broker to get deals done. Basically, to force all parties to come to the table.
Well, like the fucking squirrels, we americans have figured out a way to beat the system. Form two groups - sometimes we're in control, sometime's your in control. That is NOT how its supposed to work.
Have you noticed that it really doesn't matter who is in control of the House of Representatives (the supposed "voice of the people" in all of this)? I mean, Pelosi came in rip roarin - then quickly shut the fuck up.
I believe that the problem is the senate - its too organized and subject to the inherent problems created in the "two-party system."
Therefore, my solution is this - get rid of the Senate and make the House huge. I mean fucking MASSIVE. Like 10,000 Representatives. That is the only way that I can see to restore GRIDLOCK to the government and to get rid of the two-party system.
I mean, if I had a realistic shot at getting a seat I would fucking run. With a simple premise (stolen from Dennis Leary): As long as you don't kill anybody or have sex with kids, you can do whatever the FUCK YOU WANT in this country. I pretty sure I could get alot of Uberers in my district to support me.
You think Bush would have gotten his little Iraq war with over 5,000 people to convince. I don't think so.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-01-17 15:54:33 EST (#)
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lol, hadley
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2008-01-17 15:43:37 EST (#)
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Ok, Ok yeah I am sure that Ralph Nader will be on there, as well as a motley group of other incumbent candidates
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I don't think incumbent means what you think it does. Are you sicosemen?
Submitted by monkeyswithguns (user info) at 2008-01-17 15:42:10 EST (#)
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Submitted by Crystle (user info) at 2008-01-17 15:21:51 EST (#)
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Don't abolish the parties, abolish the Electoral College system of voting. Give people a REAL voice. Technology has advanced to the point where this is possible, and should be done.
Submitted by Director (user info) at 2008-01-17 15:40:09 EST (#)
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Are you hitting on me Caul?
If I were to ever turn gay, I'd probably fuck you.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-01-17 15:37:02 EST (#)
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Submitted by Director (user info) at 2008-01-17 15:35:51 EST (#)
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I always vote for the most attractive looking candidate. Every one knows that good looking people are better in every way.
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in that case: the world > http://www2.ubersite.com/m/108872
:-)
Submitted by Director (user info) at 2008-01-17 15:35:51 EST (#)
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I always vote for the most attractive looking candidate. Every one knows that good looking people are better in every way.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-01-17 15:34:08 EST (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-01-17 15:12:35 EST (#)
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that is nothing in comparison to Great Britain or China... So how is it we think we our system of government is better than anyone elses?
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Do you think Britain has the same govt it did 230 years ago?
China certainly hasn't.
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he's talking about system, not the government in place.
you can't say this about china's current system, but the british parliament is pretty old.
i agree on the other hand, that's it's pretty irrelevant to count the age of countries since anything can switch over the course of weeks. how many republic did france have?
Submitted by Crystle (user info) at 2008-01-17 15:21:51 EST (#)
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Don't abolish the parties, abolish the Electoral College system of voting. Give people a REAL voice. Technology has advanced to the point where this is possible, and should be done.
Submitted by gascs (user info) at 2008-01-17 15:19:55 EST (#)
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STOP THE PRESSES! THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM?!?! SOMEBODY NOTIFY THE AUTHORITIES!!!
Submitted by Darth_Famine (user info) at 2008-01-17 15:16:03 EST (#)
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See these? American donuts. Glazed, powdered, and raspberry-filled.
Now, how's that for freedom of choice.
-- Homer Simpson
The Crepes of Wrath
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-01-17 15:12:35 EST (#)
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that is nothing in comparison to Great Britain or China... So how is it we think we our system of government is better than anyone elses?
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Do you think Britain has the same govt it did 230 years ago?
China certainly hasn't.
not saying America is great, just saying counting on the age of those two countries is meaningless since their govts have changed so much.
Submitted by Darth_Famine (user info) at 2008-01-17 15:12:29 EST (#)
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sadly you are correct, I would say we need another party but I do not believe that this would solve the problem. One solution would be to abolish political parties altogether. Then we would have people voting on who they thought could do the job rather than who they are told to vote for.
Yeah thats gonna happen.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-01-17 15:11:14 EST (#)
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political pessimism bores me.
i'm not gonna tell you your two party system is the best, but neither is it the worse either.
multiple parties can cause one large mainstream party to stay in power forever.
for instance, in canada, with the arrival of the Bloc and the revival of the NDP, the conservatives got into trouble and even spllit up while liberals stayed in power for like 16 years. it was like a dynasty. corruption inevitably ensued.
that's just an example, but i don't think your system is broken. your media and public education on the other hand...
we have the governments we deserve.
Submitted by Brdn_Nkd (user info) at 2008-01-17 15:10:02 EST (#)
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ok, so does anyone still vote for one of the "real" candidates? I have not voted for one in any of the elections I could vote in because I refuse to choose between two of the same cookie cut in different shapes. Whoever said they're elite because of money was spot on. Look at our current president if you doubt that at all.
Submitted by Director (user info) at 2008-01-17 15:06:25 EST (#)
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Ron Paul is about the only one of those jackoffs that makes any sense on the Republican side.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-01-17 15:04:39 EST (#)
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I think people see Ron Paul as a kook but in all honesty he seems approachable which in this day in age is rather important to me. I watch Romney during his press shaking hands and you can see that he doesn't give a rats fucking ass about the guy standing next to him. He's shakin some guys hand and at the same time making sure he's got another target in his sites.
I dunno man, I think that apathy comes from the idea that those who want change and see the need for it are so far outnumbered by those that don't give a fuck or don't know that their supposed to give a fuck.
I think that Paul's grassroots movement is the right Idea...he just needs about 4 years of campaigning to get more people on board and the media portrays him as a wackjob every chance they get so those fringe supporters just tune him out based on what FOX or CNN says.
Submitted by Director (user info) at 2008-01-17 15:03:39 EST (#)
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Uh...spelling....
dookiehead?
Submitted by Director (user info) at 2008-01-17 15:03:05 EST (#)
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GODDAMNIT. I NEVER COME TO UBERSITE ANYMORE AND NOW THAT I'M HERE I WANNA FIGHT AND NOBODY IS FIGHTING ME.
:-(
DARTHFADED YOU'RE A DOOKEYHEAD!
Submitted by Director (user info) at 2008-01-17 15:00:52 EST (#)
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Fuckin' Jarhead. GO NAVY WOO!
Submitted by rorrim (user info) at 2008-01-17 15:00:50 EST (#)
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Submitted by Director (user info) at 2008-01-17 14:59:50 EST (#)
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What's really depressing is that the politicians that have pretty much destroyed America aren't really "elite" people in the sense of their intellect or accomplishments. They're "elite" because they're wealthy.
Most of them started out as Sears shoe and used car salesmen.
God, I hate them all.
:-(
Bill Clinton was cool though. Nobody can deny that.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-01-17 14:58:05 EST (#)
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I mean I'll give you the +2 but man...we can all point out the problems...who the fuck is going to fix it?
Submitted by Empathetic (user info) at 2008-01-17 14:56:14 EST (#)
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No, rob, in a democracy we handed that power over to the leaders as our representatives. They just ignore our wishes and demands in favor of lobbyists and friends.
But remember, you do not HAVE to vote for the people on the ballot. I always write my own name in. I suggest everybody do the same, just to fuck them. If nobody gets the majority vote, the system will fail. If every Tom, Dick, and Harry wrote themselves in it would be chaos.
But nobody will follow my lead. Fear or tradition, I suppose. Until I am given a candidate that is worthy of my vote, I will continue to write my name in.
Submitted by DarthFaded (user info) at 2008-01-17 14:54:55 EST (#)
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What we started off representing compared to what we've become is just sad.
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Well stated.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2008-01-17 14:54:37 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Sadly as it stands not enough americans are fed up enough to vote outside the two parties in large enough numbers to shake the system.
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Exactly. There are still too many of us who are too complacent.
Vote for me. I'll lower gasoline prices!
Unfortunately, too many Americans would stop thinking at that point and select that candidate and go back to burying their head in the sand.
Submitted by SkullBiter (user info) at 2008-01-17 14:54:20 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2008-01-17 14:51:41 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
I never have been overly patriotic. I've never done the whole "AMERICA FUCK YEAH!"
I can truthfully say though, my own country now completely depresses, disgusts, and embarrasses me.
What we started off representing compared to what we've become is just sad
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I am not patriotic, I just love my country.
William Wallace said it best.
America, fuck yeah.
Submitted by Director (user info) at 2008-01-17 14:53:46 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2008-01-17 14:51:41 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
I never have been overly patriotic. I've never done the whole "AMERICA FUCK YEAH!"
I can truthfully say though, my own country now completely depresses, disgusts, and embarrasses me.
What we started off representing compared to what we've become is just sad.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-01-17 14:52:59 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
In a democracy the PEOPLE have the power.
We just forget and/or ignore that fact.
Submitted by Brdn_Nkd (user info) at 2008-01-17 14:52:45 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
and it needs a good healthy shaking.
Submitted by Brdn_Nkd (user info) at 2008-01-17 14:51:43 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
come see the violence inherent in the system!
yeah, nothing will drastically change until the "two Parties" have to actually stand for something and distinguish themselves as leaders and that won't happen until a third party is viable. Ironically if a third becomes a viable party then that one too can eventually rot so that instead of one party pretending to be two we end up with one party pretending to be three and then we'll have to wait for another new catalyst for change. Sadly as it stands not enough americans are fed up enough to vote outside the two parties in large enough numbers to shake the system.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2008-01-17 14:51:41 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
I never have been overly patriotic. I've never done the whole "AMERICA FUCK YEAH!"
I can truthfully say though, my own country now completely depresses, disgusts, and embarrasses me.
What we started off representing compared to what we've become is just sad.