attn: Prince Charles and any other rich fuckers who moralise about human rights in China (1015 hits)
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Submitted by shandythedog (View user info) at 2008-01-29 04:07:15 EST
apparently prince charles, being such a noble fellow, is refusing to go to china for the olympics on the grounds of their human rights record.
naturally, as a noble liberal-minded fellow myself, i also 'oppose' regimes that deny human rights such as political freedom and accountable legal processes.
however, it seems to me that the most important human right of all is actually the right to stay alive. ie, the right to food, water, shelter and medicine.
prince charles, and all the rest of us in the wealthy countries, deny this human right to all the cunts in the poor countries. how do we achieve this?
It's very simple: with military force. Our soldiers and our war ships and our war planes keep the poor out. it may not be quite as dramatic as the tanks in tianmen square, but the death toll that OUR armies and navies are responsible for is in the billions rather than the thousands.
rest assured, a huge wave of the cunts currently doomed to starve to death or die of preventable diseases would make their way into our wealthy countries if it were not for our military forces keeping them out. they might have to sell a child or two into slavery to pay the fare, but millions would come pouring in to get jobs, food, money, medical treatment etc. To get the most important human rights of all that we and bonnie prince charles deny them.
have i made myself clear? essentially, bonnie prince charles and the rest of us are patrolling our borders, ready to shoot any men, women or children who are foolish enough to try to and aquire their most fundamental human rights. if any starving fuckers try and get their hands on some scraps from our table, we'll stamp on their fingers in our fine leather hunting boots and jolly well send them packing.
which is fair enough. why should we share?
but please don't try and take the moral high ground. I FIND IT VERY ANNOYING.
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Submitted by mordor666 (user info) at 2008-02-01 10:08:48 EST (#)
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Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-31 14:55:33 EST (#)
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one valuable lesson that ubersite constantly drums home: people will not read carefully. do not expect any subtlty of expression to be picked up
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Understand that I am one of those people that stomp on the fingers of those who will try to leech off of wealthy nations. It is one thing to immigrate to a nation and work hard for the people of that nation, it is something else entirely to live off of welfare or work totally self serving. If current trends keep up, we WILL have billions (in the far future, I digress) of 3rd World immigrants, considering the rate at which they multiply. I do not consider strict immigration to be any form of human rights violations. This is entirely my opinion, and I commend you for expressing yours.
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-31 14:55:33 EST (#)
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Submitted by mordor666 (user info) at 2008-01-31 13:56:07 EST (#)
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I can't imagine why you would want billions of filthy, jobless immigrants flooding into the Western nations. We are already experiencing this on a moderate scale in France, Britain, and liberal regions of America, and the result has always been the same. High concentrations of 3rd World immigrants can render a middle class neighborhood into a dirty, unemployed slum.
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Submitted by RyuFu (user info) at 2008-01-31 14:11:27 EST (#)
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kinda sounds like ETS. although I tend to agree.
Submitted by mordor666 (user info) at 2008-01-31 13:56:07 EST (#)
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I can't imagine why you would want billions of filthy, jobless immigrants flooding into the Western nations. We are already experiencing this on a moderate scale in France, Britain, and liberal regions of America, and the result has always been the same. High concentrations of 3rd World immigrants can render a middle class neighborhood into a dirty, unemployed slum.
Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2008-01-31 13:19:40 EST (#)
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Prince Charles is an idiot. St Marys Axe is a beautiful building and iconic. What a twat.
Submitted by DeMoNiC (user info) at 2008-01-30 00:48:26 EST (#)
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Fuck that, I consider it my birthright not to starve. People that are born in crap countries aren't my responsibility.
Submitted by HotWillie (user info) at 2008-01-29 20:34:04 EST (#)
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+2MCCALLUM
Submitted by haikumikoo (user info) at 2008-01-29 20:33:44 EST (#)
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Fuck tha' police!
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 18:26:06 EST (#)
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i agree, the idea that we should try and 'help' them to replicate our way of life is madness.
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 18:25:22 EST (#)
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Are we just assuming that as soon as they all know how to read English, and have a Starbucks at every corner that everything will be happy and war and famine will magically come to an end?
i don't recall mentioning starbucks etc. i mentioned food, water, shelter, medicine.
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 18:09:17 EST (#)
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did you see the one with hugh grant as the guest?
i was annoyed to miss that - curious about what sort of chemistry/interaction there would have been
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 18:08:04 EST (#)
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i'm not mad about cars, but there is a likeable comedy and mood about the show
i am actually modelling a particular outfit on those chaps too - the jeans with shirt and jacket look.
i have become interested in clothes again lately.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2008-01-29 17:59:49 EST (#)
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Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 16:53:35 CST (#)
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wire fence is a good way of visualising it
is this chaos jester pulling my leg, or is he of vegetable stock?
that program 'top gear' had an episode set in seppoville, and the fellow in charge made the amusing observation that the seppos were so stupid it appeared they must have been breeding with vegetables.
that was a good episode. the jew and I enjoy to watch top gear together.
Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2008-01-29 17:57:46 EST (#)
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With his own fair, royal hands. Got the tea from Marks and Sparks though.
I am so terribly British.
Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2008-01-29 17:55:31 EST (#)
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Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2008-01-29 17:55:22 EST (#)
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Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 17:53:35 EST (#)
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wire fence is a good way of visualising it
is this chaos jester pulling my leg, or is he of vegetable stock?
that program 'top gear' had an episode set in seppoville, and the fellow in charge made the amusing observation that the seppos were so stupid it appeared they must have been breeding with vegetables.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2008-01-29 17:51:18 EST (#)
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if we were truly keen on universal human rights, we could say to them "look, we're terribly sorry about havign to use these weapons to keep you out, but there are good reasons for that, however, because we love human rights so much, we are going to move resources, skills, knowledge etc through our fortified blockaids and give them to you (under xyz conditions)"
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How do we know that those resources will get to the right people? How do we know that our skills/knowledge/paradigm are applicable to this group of people? Moreover, how do we know that we've got it figured out? Are we just assuming that as soon as they all know how to read English, and have a Starbucks at every corner that everything will be happy and war and famine will magically come to an end? Turn your attention and resources to your own people before you go fucking around with others.
[B]ut we don't do that. we just say "you can't come in, and therefore you and your children will die"
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Nature and the Way of the World are saying that. Not "us".
[A]gain, please note i'm not saying that we in the west SHOULD help provide human rights to those people we currently deny it to. i'm just saying we don't deserve the high moral ground over countries like china, and when people like bonnie prince charles try to claim it i feel annoyed.
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Er, what I believe he's saying is that "at least my country doesn't run sweatshops", not "gosh, we should drain even more cash into hopeless international causes."
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2008-01-29 17:43:28 EST (#)
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chaosjester: stfu, idiot.
I have often had this thought, at times one can imagine looking through the wire fence at the distended bellies of dying africans desperately trying to claw their way in.
Submitted by polyamorousaj (user info) at 2008-01-29 17:39:27 EST (#)
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Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 17:36:19 EST (#)
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Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2008-01-29 17:25:34 EST (#)
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I have gorged myself on shortbread and earl grey and I feel sick.
I feel the blame lies soley on your shoulders, shandy.
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i trust bonny prince charles made the shortbread?
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 17:30:41 EST (#)
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-should food, shelter, water, medicine etc be considered a human right?
perhaps not a 'fact', but it seems a pretty reasonable suggestion
-do we keep poor people out of our country through force of arms?
FACT
-would the poor people find ways of coming to our countries, and thus prolong their lives, if we did not prevent them thru force of arms?
FACT
-do we IN THE RICH COUNTRIES have enough resources to easily facilitate basic standards of food, water etc for every starving person on earth? Yes, also a FACT
-therefore, we are denying people, through force of arms, the most basic human rights of all. given that we are richer and have more resources and less population than china to feed, it could be argued that our human rights violations are more extensive than theirs.
Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2008-01-29 17:25:34 EST (#)
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I have gorged myself on shortbread and earl grey and I feel sick.
I feel the blame lies soley on your shoulders, shandy.
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 17:21:26 EST (#)
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please tell me, chaos jester, what the factual innaccuracy in my post is, and i will happily debate that with you, or acknowledge your superior reasoning/evidence.
Submitted by ChaosJester (user info) at 2008-01-29 16:46:36 EST (#)
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Way to puss out, you pseudo-intellectual half-wit.
I was asking for a semi-detailed comparison/analysis of China and an example of your choice that would describe why you feel the way you do. Otherwise, all you've got is a crapload of emotionally-charged, yet factually meaningless opinions.
Don't make such sweeping generalizations if you can't back 'em up.
Seriously. You suck.
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 16:36:51 EST (#)
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i thought you didn't want me to repeat myself?
i'm sorry, if you've read the post, and my comments, and you still don't know *why* i hold my views, i can't help you.
Submitted by ChaosJester (user info) at 2008-01-29 16:31:37 EST (#)
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Oops. Forgot to finish that sentence.
Should have read "...please tell me *why* you think China is on a (near)equal footing with the U.S./most 1st-world countries with a comparable average standard of living as far as justifying their Human Rights violations."
My bad.
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 16:30:27 EST (#)
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if not, have you noticed whether either of your parents is a vegetable? a potato perhaps? or a pumpkin?
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 16:29:01 EST (#)
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"Then tell me why you think said 1st-world countries are such hypocrites as far as Human Rights violations goes."
i hope you are pulling me leg
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 16:27:17 EST (#)
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"...please tell me *why* you think China is on a (near)equal footing with the U.S./most 1st-world countries with a comparable average standard of living."
you are either mad or illiterate. i never said anything of the kind.
Submitted by ChaosJester (user info) at 2008-01-29 16:16:45 EST (#)
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There are none so blind as those who will not see.
I tell you what. Instead of repeating the same asinine opinion over and over again, please tell me *why* you think China is on a (near)equal footing with the U.S./most 1st-world countries with a comparable average standard of living. Then tell me why you think said 1st-world countries are such hypocrites as far as Human Rights violations goes.
Please.
I dare you to support your stance without looking like an erroneous fool.
Until that happens, Ta-ta.
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 16:04:39 EST (#)
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"look, we're terribly sorry about havign to use these weapons to keep you out, but there are good reasons for that, however, because we love human rights so much, we are going to move resources, skills, knowledge etc through our fortified blockaids and give them to you (under xyz conditions)"
sorry, that should be ammended to include something about 'we will also reduce any practices of our commercial enterprises that rip you off and fuck you up'
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 16:00:55 EST (#)
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i won't bother with the arguments now, but i think, if it comes to claiming the high moral ground on human rights, china, even though also a fuckwit country, actually has a stronger case than us.
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 15:55:16 EST (#)
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Where did i say china and the west are the same???? obviously they have various social, economic, environmental and political problems, many of which are quite different to ours. (for a start, they are much poorer.)
the argument that we deny people their human rights thru force of arms for a good reason (preservation of our way of life), whereas china uses their might to deny people human rights for no good reason, might superficially seem to carry a bit more weight.
however, i'm sure china has various justifications they can put forward for their practices. perhaps they are spurious, although, having studied this, i do believe that the military crackdown on the Seige of Beijing (aka tianmen square) in some ways may have been in the best interests of most chinese people.
be that as it may, the fact is that OUR reaons for denying people human rights are also spurious.
providing people with food, water, shelter etc (or the means and knowledge to generate their own)could be achieved with minimal impact on our levels of comfort. it might involve military threats or actions against corrupt tryants etc in various weak backward countries, but that could be done far more easily, cheaply and popularly than the nonsense in iraq. and if it was clear that the west was truly motivated only by providing peope in these backward countries with their human right of not starving, i suspect military action could be avoided in most cases.
of course open immigration would be madness - i have often made that very point to people in australia who complain about detention centres. but if we really cared about the human rights (of mostly black people) keeping them out of our country with our armies doesn't mean we couldn't help them. if we were truly keen on universal human rights, we could say to them "look, we're terribly sorry about havign to use these weapons to keep you out, but there are good reasons for that, however, because we love human rights so much, we are going to move resources, skills, knowledge etc through our fortified blockaids and give them to you (under xyz conditions)" but we don't do that. we just say "you can't come in, and therefore you and your children will die"
again, please note i'm not saying that we in the west SHOULD help provide human rights to those people we currently deny it to. i'm just saying we don't deserve the high moral ground over countries like china, and when people like bonnie prince charles try to claim it i feel annoyed.
in fact, i actually oppose the concept of universal human rights and instead believe that 'might is right': http://www.ubersite.com/m/68477
Submitted by FALLEN (user info) at 2008-01-29 14:46:31 EST (#)
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Charles isn't going because he hates sesame chicken.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2008-01-29 13:45:23 EST (#)
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I think the bigger question is what you want to accomplish. Let's say you feed and vaccinate the children in Darfur. What are you really accomplishing? Are said children going to suddenly become productive members of society? Are they going to learn to feed and educate themselves and raise their standard of living? Are they going to cure AIDS? Invent a car that can run on happy thoughts?
What they're going to do is what they've always been doing. Grow up. Become part of the larger problem that has been causing them to starve and die of preventable disease for thousands of years. Have children that will be born into this welfare state with a sense of entitlement to the Western world. If you're going to go that route, you may as well leave well enough alone and let nature take its course.
Your best option, if you really think involvement is a good thing, would really be to sterilize all but a small portion of the population, and work with them to develop a plan that will allow them to feed and vaccinate themselves in a sustainable manner. Of course, since we haven't really managed to do this ourselves, I'm not sure how much right we have to advise others.
Same goes for refugees, really. For the most part, when you take someone in, they're not going to thank you for it. They're just going to hate the bulk of your population for having more than they do. Fix your own fucking problems and speak the language before you get here, I say.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-01-29 12:26:51 EST (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-01-29 12:07:08 EST (#)
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have u ever raped an afghani?
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yes. twice. the first time i put an MRE and a bottle of water on a string and drug it alongside one family's little mud hut. a girl of about nine chased it around the corner where i was waiting and WHAM, RAPE!
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um...why nine?
o_O
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-01-29 12:25:17 EST (#)
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Submitted by ChaosJester (user info) at 2008-01-29 12:11:36 EST (#)
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Survival cares about who has the biggest and sharpest sword when stomachs start growling.
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NOT TRUE!
Why do you think fencing took over heavy weaponery/armory, huh?
Ligther, swifter and more accurate! Like the Asians!
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wtf am i talking about?
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-01-29 12:24:58 EST (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-01-29 12:07:08 EST (#)
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have u ever raped an afghani?
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yes. twice. the first time i put an MRE and a bottle of water on a string and drug it alongside one family's little mud hut. a girl of about nine chased it around the corner where i was waiting and WHAM, RAPE!
Submitted by ChaosJester (user info) at 2008-01-29 12:11:36 EST (#)
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Allow me to clarify my earlier point(s).
I did read your post, it simply made little to no sense to me (i.e. my first comment).
Like Caul said, it's like comparing apples to oranges.
The more you learn about China, the more you should become very, very nervous.
My second comment was made with the intent of explaining why, from a purely ego-centric standpoint, it's in every individual from a 1st-world country's best interest to protect and preserve the economic and social stability of their respective countries (both of which would be and are massively influenced by uncontrolled population migration/resource distribution).
In short, survival doesn't care about who is nicer. Survival cares about who has the biggest and sharpest sword when stomachs start growling.
Is this view fundamentally pessimistic and negative? Yup. Have I, personally, witnessed examples of this viewpoint in action? Also yes.
Again, sometimes I wonder what the weather is like on the world some people live in...
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-01-29 12:07:08 EST (#)
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have u ever raped an afghani?
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-01-29 12:05:33 EST (#)
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one thing that annoys me is when i tell people about the third world shitholes i've seen in my travels, and they immediately exclaim how terrible it must be to live without a microwave oven or video games. just as we think it's ridiculous that some people in Afghanistan live without power and running water, they think it's equally ridiculous that we watch moving pictures on a magic box. they are really just concerned with raising the goats and cows.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-01-29 11:02:13 EST (#)
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Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 09:27:32 EST (#)
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i have actually been annoyed about critisms of china's human rights from people in the west (who completely overlook what i see as our own flagrant lack of concern for human rights) for a long time.
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while our respective systems are all full of injustices and tragedies and whatnot, comparing China with the "west" makes no sense.
i understand the comparison from a quick overview, but in the details, it simply doesn't equate.
one party government, detention without trial, heavy use of the death penalty, complete disregard of the environment (yes, us too, but we try...even it's hypocritical, the principle is there), child labor, limited civil rights, one of the worse freedom of press according to Reporters Sans Frontières, and so on...and on.
there's a pretty big cultural wall between "us" and China. it's easier to criticize let's say americans whose information about is always readily available (sorry for that sicosemen-like syntax) than the chinese who we know fuck all about except for the upcoming games and those pretty displays of power from an emerging economic juggernaut.
my uncle (and a bunch of collegues i worked with) adopted two chinese girls. their anecdotes throughout many of these journeys in china sounded nothing like here or our visits with our etats-uniens neighbors.
Submitted by Ltap (user info) at 2008-01-29 11:00:53 EST (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-01-29 10:59:14 EST (#)
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Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 09:27:32 EST (#)
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i think what riles me is that what seems an obvious and fundamental TRUTH to me (and you may notice that nobody on here has been able to point out any flaws in what i actually said) is ignored or not recognised by most people.
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Because it is neither obvious or fundamental.
Even if we accept your warped view of the military as only keeping the poor out, so what?
If they were all allowed in then the people in England would lack food water and shelter. There are solid reasonable arguments not to allow uncontrolled immigration. However there are no good arguments for the lack of freedoms in China. They are apples and oranges.
You are also ignoring the food and economic aid that the UK gives to many poor countries. If they were heartless and cared nothing for the "poor dirt farmers" why the aid?
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 10:42:59 EST (#)
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good god, it's 2am
why am i awake?
it must have been that coca cola.
fuck fuck fuck.
although i am looking forward to wearing my new shoes tomorrow.
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 10:37:56 EST (#)
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well, it will probably take about three years of solid living in china and fucking a different whore every night - for the pillow talk - before my chinese is good enough to impress the elite prc boys. that's the first step.
although, if i'm really serious, i prob should fuck a different MALE　whore every night for three years - chinese spoken by men is much harder to follow than that spoken by women.
i will definitely take my 37,000 euro harpsichord with me, and put photos of my dad the ambassador on it. that's sure to impress the chinks.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-01-29 10:34:10 EST (#)
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As a speech writer I mean. For The Revolution. In China.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-01-29 10:33:16 EST (#)
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It's not really that far fetched. You are the SON OF AN AMBASSADOR afterall.
Indeed, one could say you have a responsibility to use your literary gift for the good of The Revolution.
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 10:33:15 EST (#)
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FUCK! i just remembered i have to start a political party here in aus.
although i suppose there's no reason, once the initial work has been done, that i couldn't run the campaign remotely from my post in beijing.
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 10:29:33 EST (#)
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satan's father was here for a few days recently (he is originally a mainland chink, he fucked off to taiwan with chiang kai chek and co. to escape mr mao's merry men).
he is quite old now, and at dinner was spouting what i took to be dementia nonsense about how i should head over to beijing and meet the mayor, who would be sure to find a job for me.
MAYBE IT WAS SOME SORT OF PROPHECY OR CODED MESSAGE
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 10:25:45 EST (#)
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i wonder if i should head over to beijing and offer my services as a speech writer
i did a pretty good job writing anti prc speeches for the taiwanese.
imagine the perverted priviliges of hanging out with the upper echelons of the prc! you could probably take your pick of the diving and gymnastic squads! opium galore! peking duck for breakfast!
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-01-29 10:24:52 EST (#)
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Anyway, Shandys right. Fuck whitey.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-01-29 10:24:38 EST (#)
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that is very interesting. i always assumed that something was either made entirely of organic materials and thus organic or not
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-01-29 10:22:24 EST (#)
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Apparently there are Muddy. I don't fully understand it though because I don't really care about the food I eat. TTOM or Redskies or Nath would be able to shed more light on it.
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 10:17:35 EST (#)
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if he's the prince of wales, why doesn't he have a welsh accent?
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 10:16:39 EST (#)
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THAT'S WHY THE EARTH KEEPS GETTING FATTER
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 10:15:55 EST (#)
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actually, everything is organic
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-01-29 10:12:53 EST (#)
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what would be exceedingly organic
are there degrees to which something is organic?
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-01-29 10:08:33 EST (#)
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Mr Wales does make exceedingly organic cakes.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-01-29 09:55:27 EST (#)
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i mean to your point of his hypocrisy upsetting you.
when you present it in that manner it holds less water. when you say so and so is a douche because he pisses me off people think that you're just dramatic or lack a good foundation for your argument. whereas when you say so and so is a douche because of this, this and this without the addition of your own personal feelings it holds more weight.
Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2008-01-29 09:54:54 EST (#)
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I tto love a good biscuit. I find ginger or chocolate works well with milk and custard creams are best for dunking in milky tea. When I feel particularly naughty, I treat myself to a fig roll.
Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2008-01-29 09:52:42 EST (#)
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He owns an organic farm which produces biscuits, jams, preserves, oatcakes and some dairy and meat. Duchy Originals. Really rather tasty.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-01-29 09:51:49 EST (#)
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i stopped reading at "attn: P"
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 09:49:33 EST (#)
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i like biscuits
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 09:48:47 EST (#)
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how do you mean?
Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2008-01-29 09:48:00 EST (#)
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Prince Charles makes lovely biscuits.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-01-29 09:44:34 EST (#)
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and that is where the hypocrisy makes itself apparent regardless or where we might stand personally
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 09:41:23 EST (#)
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the question then becomes one of degrees: if you want to claim to care about human rights,what degree of self-sacrifice should you be willing to accept?
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-01-29 09:37:44 EST (#)
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to that point of Charles going to the games I think Circe's analogy says all that needs be said on the matter.
but to the point that by defending ones own rights we are denying the rights of others I may take exception. If I require, by nature, and area of 3' x 3' to exist and someone attempts to infringe upon that do I have any other recourse other than to defend my area?
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 09:35:25 EST (#)
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Submitted by Circe (user info) at 2008-01-29 09:23:18 EST (#)
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I read it.
They're assholes, we're assholes, so we might as well go to the Olympics because, let's face it, we all suck just the same. Lowest common denominators'R'Us.
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i think i will go there soon after the olympics. there should be fantastic surpluses of cheap and reasonably civilised accommodation and cheap and completely uncivilised whores.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-01-29 09:30:03 EST (#)
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Righteousness Through Fuckwittery!
how can I argue that basis.
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 09:27:32 EST (#)
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i have actually been annoyed about critisms of china's human rights from people in the west (who completely overlook what i see as our own flagrant lack of concern for human rights) for a long time.
i think what riles me is that what seems an obvious and fundamental TRUTH to me (and you may notice that nobody on here has been able to point out any flaws in what i actually said) is ignored or not recognised by most people.
now, as to the contradiction. i don't think i object to people taking the higher moral ground per se. ie, i wouldn't object to charles taking the high moral ground if he was justified in doing so. if for example he could demonstrate that he actually did care about human rights.
i feel that i am justified in taking the higher moral ground over charles. this is because i have admitted that i am a fuckwit who doesn't care about human rights. i think this honesty entitles me to condemn his hypocricy. or rather, attempt to expose the hypocricy.
Submitted by Circe (user info) at 2008-01-29 09:23:18 EST (#)
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I read it.
They're assholes, we're assholes, so we might as well go to the Olympics because, let's face it, we all suck just the same. Lowest common denominators'R'Us.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-01-29 09:18:48 EST (#)
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although I do admittedly have a history of taking posts on this site with large amounts of salt and then once the poster eludes to looking for serious discussion, taking things the other extreme of the pendulum swing so feel free to ignore my questions and statements entirely.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-01-29 09:15:55 EST (#)
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i wasn't trying to be dickish but your stance as to whether the reader was actually reading your post made me want to investigate it even further. upon doing so I came to this question as to whether you deem the idea of taking moral high ground as ok for you to do but not for others to do and thus I wanted some clarification before I went forward.
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 09:13:05 EST (#)
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maybe i am mudwhistle
let's see
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-01-29 09:02:58 EST (#)
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do you live in china
do you live in the UK
does this decision by the prince have any direct effect on your life in any physical way?
if not then why would you let it effect you in an emotional way?
you say that taking the moral high ground annoys you which to me would seem to be a statement of true contradiction. you are saying 'i am making a moral judgment of you based on your attempt to make a moral judgment on others'
right?
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-01-29 08:56:39 EST (#)
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Well you know how it is: first you start responding to the post and then you start rambling on and on about some other thought that nips into your head and before long you're left with a pack of run on sentances. You read what you've submitted and feel the need to clarify/justify the random gobbledegook you've just given to the ages, end of even further off track than you were before.
Desperatly you grasp at whatever point you may have originally had and can't remember because by now it's been at least an hour and you've had a kebab since then, but you try anyway. Your undoing at this point becomes inevitable and that, as they say, is that. All that's left then is to apologise to everyone, discreetly of course, and hope the post either sinks without a trace or your moronic jabbering is buried under a vast tide of further blunders.
In the end the post becomes secondary to the pile before it in the comments of people trying to be the last one to put their foot in their mouths. It's not something unique to Ubersite though, so go easy on all of your dear readers Mr. Shandy.
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 08:10:16 EST (#)
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attention people who see fit to comment on this post: would you mind making some effort to actually read it, and try to understand what i'm talking about?
hang on, what am i saying, I'VE GONE MAD. THIS IS UBERSITE.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-01-29 08:09:13 EST (#)
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Of course, I meant to highlight the distinction between mental bastards and bastards. As in the difference betweem organised, sustainable, crime and petty thuggery.
Fuck it. I'm rubbish at talking about global inequality.
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 07:54:48 EST (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-01-29 07:33:46 EST (#)
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Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 07:23:19 EST (#)
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what i am objecting to is people in the afflunent west imagining they are somehow nicer and care more about human rights than nasty china.
WE ARE ALL FUCKWITS
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But some are bigger fuckwits than others.
If you are saying being a fuckwit means you lose your right to criticize the fuckwit actions of others I suggest you shut your cakehole on this subject because unless you are sending every dime you make to CCF and inviting destitute third world dirt farmers to live with you then you too are a fuckwit.
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OF COURSE I AM A FUCKWIT!! i said WE are fuckwits. 'WE' includes 'me'.
CAN'T YOU FUCKING READ????????????????????
Submitted by Nellypaal (user info) at 2008-01-29 07:51:32 EST (#)
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shut up
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-01-29 07:33:46 EST (#)
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Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 07:23:19 EST (#)
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what i am objecting to is people in the afflunent west imagining they are somehow nicer and care more about human rights than nasty china.
WE ARE ALL FUCKWITS
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But some are bigger fuckwits than others.
If you are saying being a fuckwit means you lose your right to criticize the fuckwit actions of others I suggest you shut your cakehole on this subject because unless you are sending every dime you make to CCF and inviting destitute third world dirt farmers to live with you then you too are a fuckwit.
Submitted by sicosemen (user info) at 2008-01-29 07:29:18 EST (#)
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roll out a tarp
steak down a tent
raise tent with poles
start a fire
revolutionize
shit
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 07:24:40 EST (#)
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i haven't read the rest of your response in detail, but it seems to be based on the same misreading as your opening remarks
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 07:23:19 EST (#)
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"I suppose it sounds wonderful to espouse meaningless tripe about sharing the world's wealth and how great things would be if we all just got along and cooperated to solve the pandemic problems that plague Humanity. "
chaos jester, it might help if you actually read what i said in the post above.
didn't i say something like: "that's fair enough. why should we share?"
what i am objecting to is people in the afflunent west imagining they are somehow nicer and care more about human rights than nasty china.
WE ARE ALL FUCKWITS
Submitted by ChaosJester (user info) at 2008-01-29 07:19:28 EST (#)
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You do realize that the world of international politics isn't a game, right?
Did it ever occur to you that there are both finite resources in this world and an ever-growing population?
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I suppose it sounds wonderful to espouse meaningless tripe about sharing the world's wealth and how great things would be if we all just got along and cooperated to solve the pandemic problems that plague Humanity.
Doesn't change the fact that it ain't gonna happen (or, at least, not in the way many envision it).
Before you scream at me in knee-jerk retaliation, consider this: You are the product of the very same resource-hoarding you evidently despise. You think some dirt-farmer in the middle of war-torn/drought-wracked/poverty-stricken nowhere thinks about how much nicer the world would be if others shared? No. He's concerned with feeding his family and trying to protect them from the various hazards that prevail in such places. He knows something that is barely glimpsed by folk like yourself: There's no such thing as a free lunch. If you want/need something, you either take it, trade for it or do without.
Or are you truly foolish enough to believe that the only purpose of a nation's military is to be an armored fist that alternately crushes it's fellow citizens' individual freedoms and oppresses foreign-born people who would never think about taking, by force if need be, what *you* believe you own?
This is the true danger of China's burgeoning middle-class. Sooner or later, they're going to run out of ways to satisfy their newfound lifestyles, whether it happens via economic catastrophe, resource exhaustion or social instability. Once that happens, it will only be a tiny, tiny leap of logic to determine that others have wealth that they do not deserve.
It's happened before (several times, just in the last century; hell, it's happening now, in fact), and it WILL happen again.
No one ever believes that war will come until the wolves are baying at the door. Remember how the European powers tried, again and again, to 'buy' peace from Germany in the late 1930's?
So go ahead; dismantle your military-industrial complex in the name of Peace. Allow your soldiers to languish and become inept. Someday, when those who have less than you come knocking, be prepared to share, share and share some more. Then, when *you* are the dirt farmer, you can plead with the world to give.
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 06:53:58 EST (#)
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Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-01-29 06:18:07 EST (#)
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I dunno though. I don't like China but we've got to work with them I think. They are bastards but they aren't mental bastards, but I may have said the same thing about Russia several years ago and look at all that.
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FUCKING HELL BERTRAM, IS MY POINT SO HARD TO GRASP:
WE ARE BASTARDS TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(i could even suggest we are actually worse bastards than them, for various reasons, but that would only distract things)
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 06:48:39 EST (#)
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Submitted by ChaosJester (user info) at 2008-01-29 06:38:44 EST (#)
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Sometimes I wonder if people like you live in the same world that I do...
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please enlighten me, what part of my description above is unrealistic?
Submitted by ChaosJester (user info) at 2008-01-29 06:38:44 EST (#)
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Sometimes I wonder if people like you live in the same world that I do...
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-01-29 06:18:07 EST (#)
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I dunno though. I don't like China but we've got to work with them I think. They are bastards but they aren't mental bastards, but I may have said the same thing about Russia several years ago and look at all that.
*sigh*
It'd all be much easier if they played cricket.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-01-29 06:16:00 EST (#)
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Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 05:17:35 EST (#)
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very true
imagine if the trillions spent on iraq had instead been used in goodwill investments in infrastructure, medical projects, etc. america would be the most loved country in history
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It's all very well to say that but it's worth pointing out that those trillions spent on Iraq WERE to set up infrastructure, medical projects, etc. and only met with limited success. Organising things in a developed and stable country is hard enough; organising things in a country where you haven't got the resource or the stability is a very difficult and lengthly challenge.
That's not even going into issues like sovreignity, ethnic disputes and general entropy.
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 05:53:56 EST (#)
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Submitted by locksly (user info) at 2008-01-29 05:42:02 EST (#)
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He's making an international statement. A total of 73 people will see this post.
what the fuck??
are you saying.. hang on.. are you saying...
THIS ACTUALLY ISN'T A FORUM WHERE MY VOICE WILL BE HEARD BY WORLD LEADERS?????
OMG, WHY HAVE I BEEN WASTING MY TIME?
but thanks for pointing that out to me locksly, without someone of your obviously giant intellect to help, i never would have realised that.
Submitted by 8track (user info) at 2008-01-29 05:42:24 EST (#)
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rock spider fuck
Submitted by locksly (user info) at 2008-01-29 05:42:02 EST (#)
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He's making an international statement. A total of 73 people will see this post.
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 05:28:29 EST (#)
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Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-01-29 05:16:12 EST (#)
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As I understand it, and I am by no means an expert on these matters, the inequality in the world is due in part to millenia of empire building but also to general corruption and incompetance (exhibit: Mugabe).
China, however, doesn't have the luxury of being to claim it's a backwater to excuse it's risible treatment of her citizens. Still they help us make money and they're slowly looking to change themselves into some sort of Dubai-esque member of The Brotherhood of Whitey so HOPEFULLY their middle class will just expand to the point where being a dick to the people becomes pointless.
If worst comes to the worst we've always got our mates in India to help us out, providing Australia stops fielding black crickiters for them to accidently racially abuse and cause an uproar.
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the reasons why there is inequality is irrelvant to my post, as is the inequality itself.
all i'm saying is the double standards of bonnie prince charles and co annoy me. we act as if china is very naughty because their military causes suffering, when our militaries effectively cause much more. we don't give a fuck about 'human rights' any more than they do.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-01-29 05:18:05 EST (#)
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Submitted by stone8946 (user info) at 2008-01-29 05:02:23 EST (#)
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If we spent our military budgets on feeding and clothing the poor then they would stay were they are and we wouldn't need the military to keep them out.
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You forget the fundamental truth of the poor: that poor people are basically criminals. If not by design then by neccesity. Once you've grown up in filth, squalor and hardship you're prone to suffering and suffering begets evil, if you'll pardon the somewhat biblical turn of phrase.
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 05:17:35 EST (#)
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very true
imagine if the trillions spent on iraq had instead been used in goodwill investments in infrastructure, medical projects, etc. america would be the most loved country in history
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-01-29 05:16:12 EST (#)
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As I understand it, and I am by no means an expert on these matters, the inequality in the world is due in part to millenia of empire building but also to general corruption and incompetance (exhibit: Mugabe).
China, however, doesn't have the luxury of being to claim it's a backwater to excuse it's risible treatment of her citizens. Still they help us make money and they're slowly looking to change themselves into some sort of Dubai-esque member of The Brotherhood of Whitey so HOPEFULLY their middle class will just expand to the point where being a dick to the people becomes pointless.
If worst comes to the worst we've always got our mates in India to help us out, providing Australia stops fielding black crickiters for them to accidently racially abuse and cause an uproar.
Submitted by stone8946 (user info) at 2008-01-29 05:02:23 EST (#)
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If we spent our military budgets on feeding and clothing the poor then they would stay were they are and we wouldn't need the military to keep them out.
Submitted by czwij (user info) at 2008-01-29 04:31:48 EST (#)
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so you want all those poor dirty bastards in your house, eating your scraps?
anarchist!
Submitted by Linus (user info) at 2008-01-29 04:17:02 EST (#)
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WTF?
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2008-01-29 04:12:49 EST (#)
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k
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-01-29 04:08:03 EST (#)
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i'm going to jolly well tidy this up and jolly well send it off to bonnie prince charles.