Local Boy Punished at School (2559 hits)
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Submitted by Pissing Contestant (View user info) at 2008-03-13 00:23:16 EDT
http://www.fox24.com/article.asp?pkid=11436
School Disciplines Kindergartener, Mother Outraged
A local mother is outraged because of a bathroom...something usually regarded as unsanitary no matter how clean. Vanessa Copeland's son Braylon is in Kindergarten at Springdale Elementary School. On Friday, she says his teacher made him clean urine off the bathroom floor. He threw the paper towels in the toilet, clogging it. She says the teacher then made her son unclog the toilet with his bare hands.
"My son had no business cleaning urine off of the floor. That is what janitorial staff is for. Because if he did it, he did not mean to do it. He is 6- years-old. And my son should never have had to stick his hands in a toilet," Copeland says.
Jennifer Jones of the North Central Health District says a proper hand-washing would kill most of the germs on Braylon's hands. And that if he does get sick, it is not necessarily because of this incident.
"Public bathrooms are just as germy as a lot of other places. Studies show that a lot of people leave the bathroom without washing their hands and the first thing that they touch is going to be a doorknob or something on their desk or a light switch," Jones says.
Off camera ..Principal Amy Duke would only tell FOX 24 News that Braylon did wash his hands properly. But Copeland says that is not enough.
"That just does not make it okay. When I think about my son sticking his hands in the toilet... that hurts. It should have never happened...never happened," Copeland says.
And Copeland says because of this one experience, she will enroll her children in private school come September. She has already contacted DFACS, a social worker and the board of education with her concerns. And Mac Bullard with the Bibb County school system says they are investigating her allegations.
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The only thing the article fails to mention is that the badass little boy is the one who pissed all over the floor to begin with and was cleaning up his own urine.
Anyway, I'm curious for your opinions/reactions since I know all of you are mentally well-balanced and logical.
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Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2008-03-20 14:13:45 EDT (#)
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Please... if this were fifth grade you'd be pulling my pigtails and kicking my chair by now.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-03-19 17:41:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2008-03-14 15:42:40 EDT (#)
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And really, if you care soooooooooooo little about what I have to say, why do you have to insert your two cents every time I say any of it? You always show up to talk about how nobody cares about me, but I bet my name has been mentioned here more times by you than by anybody else, period.
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that's your argument to everything.
you just suck. there's nothing special about you, don't worry.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2008-03-17 00:28:52 EDT (#)
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When I was that age, one of my friends kept saying "I'm going to piss on that outlet."
We all laughed and thought he was joking until the day he did it. He wasn't electrocuted, but the outlet didn't do so well as it started sparking and smoke came out of it.
That is a memory that is burned into my brain... good times. Until 6th grade we would see that spark-burned outlet cover and laugh about that shit.
I suppose if he was caught, the teacher may have made him do this.
Submitted by Siren (user info) at 2008-03-16 22:48:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by HellRazer (user info) at 2008-03-15 16:27:13 EDT (#)
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I already hate this kid just because he's named Braylon.
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My thoughts exactly.
Submitted by DangerPants (user info) at 2008-03-16 19:27:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-03-14 14:20:04 EDT (#)
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"I HEREBY DECLARE, ON THIS DAY OF MARCH 14TH 2008, THAT I HAVE NO LACK OF REGARD TOWARD PEOPLE OF FAST-FOODIAL POSITIONS!"
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE WORLD KNOWS!
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my homosexual love for you knows no bounds...
Submitted by Tigre (user info) at 2008-03-16 18:03:22 EDT (#)
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He shouldn't have had to clean up that pee. Shit, I piss on the floor on purpose half the time, I'm just marking my territory. Can't a lil' nigga do the same? Sheeeeit.
If I was him I'd've kicked that bitch square in her nuts.
Submitted by Ducky (user info) at 2008-03-16 14:15:53 EDT (#)
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A big deal over something that really should have been a non-issue.
Submitted by Ducky (user info) at 2008-03-16 14:14:13 EDT (#)
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If I had a student stick his hands into a toilet, I would expect disciplinary action to be taken. Realistically, if I wouldn't do it, and I wouldn't...there's no reason to expect the child to do so. If the argument is made that there was no custodial staff on shift (I've been in schools where they do not start until 2:30pm), you put an out of order sign on the door, leave it until then, and explain the situation to them when they arrive.
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2008-03-16 14:10:17 EDT (#)
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That actually works??
So easy man.
Submitted by NotSteve (user info) at 2008-03-16 12:08:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by PepsiCoke (user info) at 2008-03-16 04:03:44 EDT (#)
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If he was my kid I would just be proud of him.
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Want him to be a janitor, huh? You gotta start them young.
Submitted by PepsiCoke (user info) at 2008-03-16 04:03:44 EDT (#)
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If he was my kid I would just be proud of him.
Submitted by HellRazer (user info) at 2008-03-15 21:44:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by NotSteve (user info) at 2008-03-15 18:33:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by HellRazer (user info) at 2008-03-15 16:27:13 EDT (#)
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I already hate this kid just because he's named Braylon. Sounds like a douche-bag name to me. You know that kid who was mommy's special little snowflake and now feels that the world should coddle him the same way his mom did? Yeah, he sounds like that guy. And if that little fucker ever pissed on my bathroom floor, not only would he be cleaning it up, he'd do it with his own socks. Then I'd make him wear them for the rest of the day.
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Odd you called the little boy a snowflake because he's blacker than Kracka. I also thought his name meant "douchebag" in french or something. We should ask Caul.
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Well, Caul? Do we have to beg?
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2008-03-15 20:41:45 EDT (#)
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I don't have kids so naturally I'm an expert on how to raise them.
Submitted by NotSteve (user info) at 2008-03-15 18:33:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by HellRazer (user info) at 2008-03-15 16:27:13 EDT (#)
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I already hate this kid just because he's named Braylon. Sounds like a douche-bag name to me. You know that kid who was mommy's special little snowflake and now feels that the world should coddle him the same way his mom did? Yeah, he sounds like that guy. And if that little fucker ever pissed on my bathroom floor, not only would he be cleaning it up, he'd do it with his own socks. Then I'd make him wear them for the rest of the day.
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Odd you called the little boy a snowflake because he's blacker than Kracka. I also thought his name meant "douchebag" in french or something. We should ask Caul.
Submitted by HellRazer (user info) at 2008-03-15 16:27:13 EDT (#)
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I already hate this kid just because he's named Braylon. Sounds like a douche-bag name to me. You know that kid who was mommy's special little snowflake and now feels that the world should coddle him the same way his mom did? Yeah, he sounds like that guy. And if that little fucker ever pissed on my bathroom floor, not only would he be cleaning it up, he'd do it with his own socks. Then I'd make him wear them for the rest of the day.
Submitted by JustAnotherStudent (user info) at 2008-03-15 16:00:42 EDT (#)
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Just last week my boyfriend's kid (3 yrs old) pissed all over the bathroom floor. I did not make him clean it up because, well, he's still really little and probably just couldn't get a good aim.
If he were six and did that shit on purpose, you bet your ass he'd clean it up.
I would never make him put his hands in a toilet though. Not without gloves or something.
And a public bathroom that god-knows how many people have used... hell no.
I don't care how slim the chances are. It's a slim chance you're gonna get sick from eating slightly undercooked meat... you still cook it completely. She could have gotten him some gloves to wear before making him put his hands in something dozens of people shit in.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2008-03-14 16:30:37 EDT (#)
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I'll take the "private stock", if I have to. That would be worth posting another email address.
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2008-03-14 15:42:40 EDT (#)
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And really, if you care soooooooooooo little about what I have to say, why do you have to insert your two cents every time I say any of it? You always show up to talk about how nobody cares about me, but I bet my name has been mentioned here more times by you than by anybody else, period.
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2008-03-14 15:40:39 EDT (#)
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Caul, is your reading comprehension just totally sub-par, or did you really not notice that Drogo and I were engaged in a conversation, and that was a direct response to something he said? Or do you really just want an excuse to talk to/about me?
Shlongy - I'll try to remember :)
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2008-03-14 15:29:06 EDT (#)
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Hey Ashlee: When can I expect Part II of your tittie pics?
I'm getting sick of Part I.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-03-14 15:06:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Circe (user info) at 2008-03-14 12:45:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-03-14 10:39:07 EDT (#)
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no one said the kid was being psychologically tormented. kids need to be taught right from wrong. but you don't do it by making a kid stick his bare hands in a fucking piss and feces collector. sure, the chances of him getting sick are very slim, but if the chance is there at all, the teacher has the responsibility to protect other people's children's health.
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Pffft... like you never gave your barbie dolls a bath in the toilet when you were six, hidden.
kiss kiss?
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i actually had two Ken dolls and i liked to make them wrestle naked. i drew penises on them where they lacked the proper anotomy.
what? what's the big deal? that doesn't make me gay! that's just as normal as playing with GI Joes!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-03-14 14:20:04 EDT (#)
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"I HEREBY DECLARE, ON THIS DAY OF MARCH 14TH 2008, THAT I HAVE NO LACK OF REGARD TOWARD PEOPLE OF FAST-FOODIAL POSITIONS!"
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE WORLD KNOWS!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-03-14 14:18:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2008-03-14 13:03:45 EDT (#)
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And just for the record, I definitely don't have any kind of lack of regard for people in janatorial positions:
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lol, who fucking cares?
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Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2008-03-14 13:31:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Crystle (user info) at 2008-03-14 12:14:35 EDT (#)
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and you better believe my girl cleaned up after she intentionally made messes.
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Submitted by Circe (user info) at 2008-03-14 03:20:19 PDT (#)
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So the kid pees on the floor, and the teacher gets him to wipe it up with paper towels. Then he puts the big wad of paper towels into the toilet. Big wads of paper towels won't flush, so the teacher tells him to put them in the bin instead, wash his hands, and get back to class.
Where in there is the kid being psychologically tormented, exactly? The mother needs to sleep it off. --------
A 6 year old is old enough to know better.
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2008-03-14 13:03:45 EDT (#)
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And just for the record, I definitely don't have any kind of lack of regard for people in janatorial positions: http://www.ubersite.com/m/73767
Submitted by Circe (user info) at 2008-03-14 12:45:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-03-14 10:39:07 EDT (#)
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no one said the kid was being psychologically tormented. kids need to be taught right from wrong. but you don't do it by making a kid stick his bare hands in a fucking piss and feces collector. sure, the chances of him getting sick are very slim, but if the chance is there at all, the teacher has the responsibility to protect other people's children's health.
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Pffft... like you never gave your barbie dolls a bath in the toilet when you were six, hidden.
kiss kiss?
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2008-03-14 12:18:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2008-03-14 12:08:58 EDT (#)
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Did I say there should be a lawsuit? No, I said that teacher should be fired, and I still think she should.
The second response, ("Chris says") was my boyfriend, not me.
You obviously think you CAN judge, because you have.
That's not why I called you slow.
"As for your wish for me to go play with traffic, over a mere discussion on Uber, well that really is a grown up thing to come out with" What are you, new? Are we using the same site here, or did uber change drastically in my absence?
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Hmm sarcasm really doesnt come over on here i guess.
I'm not judging you at all.
Fired? Harsh in my opinion
And the comment about the traffic? Please, something better and maybe original.
I'm biased in this situation I know I am. My school wouldnt have hesitated to make me do this, in fact I remember having to clean out the toilets from top to bottom for some misdemeanor or other. It didnt hurt me or adversely affect me in any way shape or form. Pissed me off and made me feel like a dick for a few days, but you get over it pretty quick.
Submitted by Crystle (user info) at 2008-03-14 12:14:35 EDT (#)
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and you better believe my girl cleaned up after she intentionally made messes.
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Submitted by Circe (user info) at 2008-03-14 03:20:19 PDT (#)
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So the kid pees on the floor, and the teacher gets him to wipe it up with paper towels. Then he puts the big wad of paper towels into the toilet. Big wads of paper towels won't flush, so the teacher tells him to put them in the bin instead, wash his hands, and get back to class.
Where in there is the kid being psychologically tormented, exactly? The mother needs to sleep it off.
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2008-03-14 12:11:25 EDT (#)
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Paddling is "corporal punishment" where students are spanked (lightly I assume) with a wooden paddle as correction for bad behavior. It's not really used anymore in public schools because it was deemed unnecessarily cruel and humiliating or somesuch crap, the changeover kinda happened when I was actually a young kid IN school so I don't really remember.
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2008-03-14 12:08:58 EDT (#)
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Did I say there should be a lawsuit? No, I said that teacher should be fired, and I still think she should.
The second response, ("Chris says") was my boyfriend, not me.
You obviously think you CAN judge, because you have.
That's not why I called you slow.
"As for your wish for me to go play with traffic, over a mere discussion on Uber, well that really is a grown up thing to come out with" What are you, new? Are we using the same site here, or did uber change drastically in my absence?
OHHHHHHH SWEET it's caul, here to poke his nose in and make little snide comments just because it's me! I LOVE YOU CAUL!!! You didn't give me any heat on my boobie post, it made me a sad panda :( Oh well you're still my favorite uberuser.
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2008-03-14 12:03:37 EDT (#)
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Who's Chris?
What is paddling?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-03-14 12:03:31 EDT (#)
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this post and its commetns is a good example of american histrionics.
calm down people.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-03-14 12:02:23 EDT (#)
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ashlee got some good feedback on her comments and now she has so many opinions on this completly irrelevant issue.
YOU GO GIRL!
who cares? stfu!
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2008-03-14 12:01:44 EDT (#)
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Damn QueenAshlee some strange response there.
Well your wish for the Teacher to end up as a Janitor does show a lack of respect for people in that particular menial position.
Yes a Janitors job could be to clean up piss from the floor. Piss from the floor that happens from normal usage, not deliberate acts of pissing on it.
As to the method of moping up the piss, Mop would probably have been better but I wasnt there so cant judge.
Yes a simple mistake could have been made with him throwing it in the toilet, but I really see no harm in him lifting out piss soaked paper towel from a toilet that he had just put in there.
And I quite agree with the sentiments about protecting your own off spring, I was meerly pointing out that your act would actually warrant a 'Justified' lawsuit. When screaming for a lawsuit against this teacher is completely over the top.
As for your wish for me to go play with traffic, over a mere discussion on Uber, well that really is a grown up thing to come out with.
p.s I'm hope this reply was quick enough for you, i'd hate for you to call me slow again.
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2008-03-14 11:55:17 EDT (#)
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Chris says:
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2008-03-14 05:57:53 EDT (#)
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These reviews really should be applauded as they say so much.
Firstly the obvious high regard that the reviewer holds for people in menial poistions. And the fact that they seem to think that it 'Is' the janitors job to clean up mess like this, rather than just normal day to day mess from normal usage of a communal toilet by normal people who dont go out of their way to make things worse than they already are. Good Show!
And of course the last line, where the reviewer lowers herself, not to the level of the teacher oh no, but actually much further down the line to what can only be considered an actual 'Assault' on the teacher, something that does actually warrant a lawsuit. Definately good Show!
Could I ask what you would do to your child if you found that he had blocked the toilet, intentionally, at home?
Would you A) Tell him off, send him to the naughty step whilst you got down on your hands and knees and showed him how bad he was by cleaning up his mess?
B) Tell him off, send him to the naughty step, and tell him that the cost of having someone come out to sort it out would be comming out of his pocket money until he turned 13?
C) Sanction of your choice?
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I love your reply, in fact when I first heard this punishment I thought the same thing; when I was under the impression that a highschool student or somebody of responsible age had peed onto a floor on pupose. Now to answer your question OF COURSE I would clean up after a six year old and if I was gonna make them clean something as a punishment I would make sure they knew how to do it properly (ie plunger mop etc.) by watching me the first time and OF COURSE I would be cleaning up after them in kindergarten in fact for the first 5 years of a childs life you clean up shit from much strager places than the bathroom floor. Dont get me wrong I think they should punish kids in school but bring back paddling or use detention something that does not remind me of the mental torture that the marine corp. drill sargent puts grown men through all at the same time forgetting the danger of that one child recieving and then infecting the rest of his class with staph infection. Anyone disagreeing with this post must either not have children or has already had them taken away by dss :)
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2008-03-14 11:39:13 EDT (#)
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Wow, Drogo, are you slow?
Nowhere did I display a lack of regard for people in menial positions. Actually, I never even said anything about the fact that the kid was cleaning the floor; I don't even necessarily disagree with it, assuming as I am that he made the mess on purpose, which the article does not in fact make clear. Although mopping up a puddle of pee after a messy little kid DOES actually fall into oh I don't know THE EXACT JOB DESCRIPTION OF A FUCKING ELEMENTARY SCHOOL JANITOR, that part isn't really a huge deal. I don't really even think it's terrible news that he was using paper towels instead of, oh, maybe a mop, as your beloved janitor would have been using.... What I take issue with is the part where a small child was forced to place his hands into what hidden aptly descriped as a urine and feces receptacle.
I highly doubt that the kid clogged the toilet on purpose, as you say. He's fucking six, and I don't know about most of you, but I don't remember "cleaning public bathrooms" being an activity that I participated in regularly at that age. Obviously nobody was there to instruct him on the proper way to clean the mess, and it doesn't seem illogical to me that a young child would reason that PAPER PRODUCTS SOAKED WITH URINE should be disposed of in a toilet as opposed to a trash can... I'm sure I accidentally clogged a toilet or two when I was barely old enough to write my goddamn name, and you probably did too.
As far as an "assault" on the teacher, oh yeah buddy you better beleive that if someone treated my kid like that they better be ready to deal with a very angry response from me, and if you think that's over the line, well hey, it's just a little pee, right? Not a big deal when it's a fucking little kid, but a huge problem when it's the grown adult that decided it was a great idea for a little kid to stick his hands in the toilet... Jesus, go play in traffic or something, will ya?
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-03-14 10:39:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Circe (user info) at 2008-03-14 06:20:19 EDT (#)
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So the kid pees on the floor, and the teacher gets him to wipe it up with paper towels. Then he puts the big wad of paper towels into the toilet. Big wads of paper towels won't flush, so the teacher tells him to put them in the bin instead, wash his hands, and get back to class.
Where in there is the kid being psychologically tormented, exactly? The mother needs to sleep it off.
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no one said the kid was being psychologically tormented. kids need to be taught right from wrong. but you don't do it by making a kid stick his bare hands in a fucking piss and feces collector. sure, the chances of him getting sick are very slim, but if the chance is there at all, the teacher has the responsibility to protect other people's children's health.
Submitted by Circe (user info) at 2008-03-14 06:20:19 EDT (#)
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So the kid pees on the floor, and the teacher gets him to wipe it up with paper towels. Then he puts the big wad of paper towels into the toilet. Big wads of paper towels won't flush, so the teacher tells him to put them in the bin instead, wash his hands, and get back to class.
Where in there is the kid being psychologically tormented, exactly? The mother needs to sleep it off.
Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2008-03-14 06:03:46 EDT (#)
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Drogo = Winnar.
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2008-03-14 05:57:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2008-03-13 20:07:05 EDT (#)
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You know this sounds way more like something a fifth grade bully would pull than a fucking teacher.... I really hope this teacher loses her job. Too much to hope for, I'm sure, but it'd be awesome if the job she ended up with was cleaning lady, scrubbing toilets for the rest of her life...
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Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2008-03-13 19:51:09 EDT (#)
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Wow, you can tell all that about this woman's parenting style from a quarter-page article that barely mentions the mother, except to say that she was (rightfully) upset that her SIX YEAR OLD was forced to put his bare hands into a fucking public toilet?? Ass.
I don't think that kids shouldn't face discipline in school. However, there's a line that needs to be observed, and this goes so far past that line that I'm really surprised it's even being debated. I also think that if a school needs to take serious disciplinary action, i.e. anything more severe than detention or, in the case of kids this young, time out or whatever it is they're doing these days, the parents should be consulted... Whether you dipshits like it or not, parents have every right to decide how to raise and discipline their children. If I was that mom, that teacher would find me waiting by her car after school to throw a bucket of fucking piss in her goddamn face.
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These reviews really should be applauded as they say so much.
Firstly the obvious high regard that the reviewer holds for people in menial poistions. And the fact that they seem to think that it 'Is' the janitors job to clean up mess like this, rather than just normal day to day mess from normal usage of a communal toilet by normal people who dont go out of their way to make things worse than they already are. Good Show!
And of course the last line, where the reviewer lowers herself, not to the level of the teacher oh no, but actually much further down the line to what can only be considered an actual 'Assault' on the teacher, something that does actually warrant a lawsuit. Definately good Show!
Could I ask what you would do to your child if you found that he had blocked the toilet, intentionally, at home?
Would you A) Tell him off, send him to the naughty step whilst you got down on your hands and knees and showed him how bad he was by cleaning up his mess?
B) Tell him off, send him to the naughty step, and tell him that the cost of having someone come out to sort it out would be comming out of his pocket money until he turned 13?
C) Sanction of your choice?
D) Just sell the little tike to white slavers, because then he isnt your problem anymore.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-03-13 20:40:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2008-03-13 19:51:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2008-03-13 09:49:12 PDT (#)
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Are you people serious?!?! THE KID IS SIX FREAKIN YEARS OLD!!!! That teacher needs some kind of disciplinary action, and the mother is right to be outraged... Fucking christ.
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Typical American response - "It's everybody else fault, not my own..."
The teacher is fully within her rights to discipline this child, since OBVIOUSLY HER PARENT IS TOO FUCKING LAZY TO DO IT HERSELF.
No wonder the entire world hates us.
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Wow, you can tell all that about this woman's parenting style from a quarter-page article that barely mentions the mother, except to say that she was (rightfully) upset that her SIX YEAR OLD was forced to put his bare hands into a fucking public toilet?? Ass.
I don't think that kids shouldn't face discipline in school. However, there's a line that needs to be observed, and this goes so far past that line that I'm really surprised it's even being debated. I also think that if a school needs to take serious disciplinary action, i.e. anything more severe than detention or, in the case of kids this young, time out or whatever it is they're doing these days, the parents should be consulted... Whether you dipshits like it or not, parents have every right to decide how to raise and discipline their children. If I was that mom, that teacher would find me waiting by her car after school to throw a bucket of fucking piss in her goddamn face.
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awesome!
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-03-13 20:22:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2008-03-13 20:07:05 EDT (#)
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You know this sounds way more like something a fifth grade bully would pull than a fucking teacher.... I really hope this teacher loses her job. Too much to hope for, I'm sure, but it'd be awesome if the job she ended up with was cleaning lady, scrubbing toilets for the rest of her life...
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Best response EVER!!!
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2008-03-13 20:07:05 EDT (#)
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You know this sounds way more like something a fifth grade bully would pull than a fucking teacher.... I really hope this teacher loses her job. Too much to hope for, I'm sure, but it'd be awesome if the job she ended up with was cleaning lady, scrubbing toilets for the rest of her life...
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2008-03-13 19:51:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2008-03-13 13:00:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2008-03-13 09:49:12 PDT (#)
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Are you people serious?!?! THE KID IS SIX FREAKIN YEARS OLD!!!! That teacher needs some kind of disciplinary action, and the mother is right to be outraged... Fucking christ.
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Typical American response - "It's everybody else fault, not my own..."
The teacher is fully within her rights to discipline this child, since OBVIOUSLY HER PARENT IS TOO FUCKING LAZY TO DO IT HERSELF.
No wonder the entire world hates us.
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Wow, you can tell all that about this woman's parenting style from a quarter-page article that barely mentions the mother, except to say that she was (rightfully) upset that her SIX YEAR OLD was forced to put his bare hands into a fucking public toilet?? Ass.
I don't think that kids shouldn't face discipline in school. However, there's a line that needs to be observed, and this goes so far past that line that I'm really surprised it's even being debated. I also think that if a school needs to take serious disciplinary action, i.e. anything more severe than detention or, in the case of kids this young, time out or whatever it is they're doing these days, the parents should be consulted... Whether you dipshits like it or not, parents have every right to decide how to raise and discipline their children. If I was that mom, that teacher would find me waiting by her car after school to throw a bucket of fucking piss in her goddamn face.
Submitted by sick.little.weasel (user info) at 2008-03-13 19:43:50 EDT (#)
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Ok when I was in school there was a well known system for disciplinary action. Warning, Warning, Detention and so on and so forth. No where on that list did it say clean the bathroom and wash your hands in crap water.
The teacher is out of line BIG TIME.
Also, what you're not hearing about is the little punk who tattled on the 6 year old janitor. That kid should have the piss beaten out of him. I am assuming that the teacher does not make rounds in the boy's bathroom, which if she does, she should be fired anyway.
Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2008-03-13 17:56:38 EDT (#)
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This kinda shit makes me angry.
Submitted by scourge (user info) at 2008-03-13 17:27:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wookie (user info) at 2008-03-13 12:49:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Coyote (user info) at 2008-03-13 01:05:34 EDT (#)
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Cleaning up the floor is fair game. You make the mess, you clean it up.
Making the kid unclog the toilet with his bare hands? Lawsuit material. Says a lot about the teacher that she's not able to be more emotionally mature than a badly-parented 6 year old.
Submitted by cuberat (user info) at 2008-03-13 17:14:21 EDT (#)
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That kid is probably spoiled and rich.
Fuck these parents who never make their kids do a damn thing and shelter them forever. Fuck those rich suburban pricks.
I dont care how rich I am, my kids are going to be cleaning, doing dirty chores, and you best be damn sure if my kid ever pisses on the floor, even if the teacher doesn't make him clean it up, I'll march him back there and make him do it.
Our country has gotten way too soft...
and this is coming from a far-left-leaning-liberal
Submitted by NotSteve (user info) at 2008-03-13 13:30:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2008-03-13 12:09:22 EDT (#)
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I just pissed on your post and now I have to clean off my monitor and keyboard, you fucker.
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Witty, as per usual.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-03-13 13:10:08 EDT (#)
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my parents fucked me so i'm not a reference on education.
seriously, who cares?!
is the kid traumatized? the article isn't saying. maybe he didn't care all that much to clean toilets. one thing is certain, he will survive. so perhaps both the mom and school staff overreacted and this is another complete non-issue a la fox.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-03-13 13:09:55 EDT (#)
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when i was six years old, i hit a girl without really understanding that it was going to hurt her. while the rest of the class was doing something fun, i had to sit out and miss it as punishment. it made me think about what i did and i later apologized to the girl. then i played doctor with her, of course.
i learned my lesson without having to stick my hands in a toilet. you can teach a child that they did something wrong without making them do something sick and disgusting.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2008-03-13 13:07:18 EDT (#)
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sounds like the little cunt deserved it.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2008-03-13 13:00:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2008-03-13 09:49:12 PDT (#)
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Are you people serious?!?! THE KID IS SIX FREAKIN YEARS OLD!!!! That teacher needs some kind of disciplinary action, and the mother is right to be outraged... Fucking christ.
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Typical American response - "It's everybody else fault, not my own..."
The teacher is fully within her rights to discipline this child, since OBVIOUSLY HER PARENT IS TOO FUCKING LAZY TO DO IT HERSELF.
No wonder the entire world hates us.
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2008-03-13 12:59:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2008-03-13 12:49:12 EDT (#)
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Are you people serious?!?! THE KID IS SIX FREAKIN YEARS OLD!!!! That teacher needs some kind of disciplinary action, and the mother is right to be outraged... Fucking christ.
I think Berty and hidden made the only sensible comments on this... the rest of it, wow. "all kids are assholes and should be beaten/tortured every time they act in a way deemed inacceptable by whatever braindead authority figures to whose care they are entrusted..." fucking wow, were you never six?
Whatever happened to detention? God.
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I never said all kids are assholes or should be beaten or tortured at all.
I was six a long time ago and if i had done this I am in absolute no doubt that I would have been clearing it up, I am also in no doubt that I definately would never have done it again as a consequence.
I accept the child is young, but, in your view, when are you supposed to start teaching children the difference between right and wrong?
Personally I always thought detention was a bit pointless and ineffective
Submitted by wookie (user info) at 2008-03-13 12:49:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Coyote (user info) at 2008-03-13 01:05:34 EDT (#)
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Cleaning up the floor is fair game. You make the mess, you clean it up.
Making the kid unclog the toilet with his bare hands? Lawsuit material. Says a lot about the teacher that she's not able to be more emotionally mature than a badly-parented 6 year old.
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2008-03-13 12:49:12 EDT (#)
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Are you people serious?!?! THE KID IS SIX FREAKIN YEARS OLD!!!! That teacher needs some kind of disciplinary action, and the mother is right to be outraged... Fucking christ.
I think Berty and hidden made the only sensible comments on this... the rest of it, wow. "all kids are assholes and should be beaten/tortured every time they act in a way deemed inacceptable by whatever braindead authority figures to whose care they are entrusted..." fucking wow, were you never six?
Whatever happened to detention? God.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-03-13 12:14:57 EDT (#)
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Well that's fair enough, I mean I'm not a parent and my only experience of children are my own quasi-repressed memories so I may not be the best judge. My suggestion is fair though, it's both monitereable (is that a word?) and possible to implement whilst at the same time clarifying the roles of both parents and teachers in the childs upbringing.
So, you know, mad props to me.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2008-03-13 12:09:22 EDT (#)
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I just pissed on your post and now I have to clean off my monitor and keyboard, you fucker.
Submitted by Brdn_Nkd (user info) at 2008-03-13 12:05:36 EDT (#)
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i do not like berty's answer. first i will agree the parents should get a detailed account so that they can address it at home but that should NOT be all the kid has to deal with. we pay for the schools and the support staff that run them therefore it is our property this kid pissed all over. this institution should have SOME ability to show the consequences of being a deviant.
hands in the toilet is obviously a bit extreme but we don't know if this has been an ongoing problem or if the child constantly acts out or any of that. perhaps it has escalated to this point.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2008-03-13 11:48:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-03-13 10:19:31 CDT (#)
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the story doesn't say why the kid was made to do any of this so that makes it harder to argue either side. what i will say is that if that teacher wouldn't stick her bare hands in a toilet, she shouldn't make a kid do it. if she WOULD do it, she's a sick little monkey.
now here's a better toilet news story- http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23595533
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Hidden-
Of COURSE that would have to happen a stone's throw from Kansas City, Missouri.
Sick and strange crap like that happens a lot around here.
Fucking Midwest.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-03-13 11:41:38 EDT (#)
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The simplest way to ensure discipline in the classroom is small class sizes. Then you don't really have any issues.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-03-13 11:40:18 EDT (#)
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Sorry, I should add that just because it is not currently a teachers job to raise children doesn't neccesarily mean it shouldn't be.
It'd be a funny sort of world though. I mean we CAN do it that way but I'm not sure it's a great plan.
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2008-03-13 11:40:05 EDT (#)
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Definately Berty. But part of Teaching is discipline. Cant be done without it.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-03-13 11:38:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2008-03-13 11:31:56 EDT (#)
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blah blah blah lots of valid points blah blah blah
I don't know. No matter what, someone will take offense.
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It is preciesly because of that final sentance that it is essential that rules are agreed and followed.
It's also essential to remember that it is a teacher's job to teach children and not to raise them.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-03-13 11:35:15 EDT (#)
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I agree with you re: trades and whatnot. They've been pushing loads of kids into University in France for years and all it's led to is a load of people with degrees working in retail.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2008-03-13 11:31:56 EDT (#)
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What's happened to the good old fashioned apology?
Whatever "punishment" the parents decide aside, I think the kid should be required to apologize. If a kid urinates on the floor (on purpose), then he/she should be made to apologize to the janitor and be required to help the janitor clean it up. In front of the parents, principal, and teacher. One to ensure that the child isn't mistreated and two, for the humbling experience. Not humiliation, but to show that yes, actions have consequences.
Problem is, a lot of parents don't discipline their children. Little Johnny pees on the floor and gets a letter sent home. Parents chide "don't do that Johnny" but don't provide a consequence. Johnny goes and plays XBox until dinner. He hasn't learned anything.
So, if the school holds true to their threat and suspends or expels him the next time he displays inappropriate behavior, the parents THEN get all up in arms and go screaming to the school board and the media.
"MY ANGEL WAS EXPELLED FROM SCHOOL BECAUSE HE HAD AN 'ACCIDENT!' HOW HORRIBLE! HOW DARE THEY!!!"
I think the schools should have some say in disciplining inappropriate behavior that occurs at school, and not just shuttle back to the parents who may be part of the problem in the first place.
I don't know. No matter what, someone will take offense.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-03-13 11:29:44 EDT (#)
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Hidden, that is the strangest thing I have ever read.
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2008-03-13 11:29:33 EDT (#)
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I didnt actually submit and answer Berty, didnt realise I had too. all I was doing was agreeing with this particular punishment in this particular situation.
Your answer is a little bit liberal for me, but then again I dont see why some children should be dragged through the education system when it is quite clear at an early stage that they are not accademic. Personally I think that more children should be directed towards trades and such and the virtue of these extolled. Rather than this constant push to get everyone to go to University and do some crappy old degree in absolutley anything, because it makes our country look better.
I'm going to tell this story to some old bastard down the pub later, and I bet HE agrees with me, then I can tell him off and put him back in his place by telling him that we arent allowed to beat them anymore.
I may even get some stick waving too.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-03-13 11:21:26 EDT (#)
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Don't worry Drogo. You're alright as long as I don't see you carrying a bag of rice, otherwise I will be unable to stop myself stabbing and robbing you in a murderous, uncontrollable, rage.
And you're wrong in saying that there's no answer. I have submitted an answer and it is a good one. It is much better than your answer which was sloppy. You're irish though so I'll forgive you.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-03-13 11:19:31 EDT (#)
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the story doesn't say why the kid was made to do any of this so that makes it harder to argue either side. what i will say is that if that teacher wouldn't stick her bare hands in a toilet, she shouldn't make a kid do it. if she WOULD do it, she's a sick little monkey.
now here's a better toilet news story- http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23595533
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2008-03-13 11:15:52 EDT (#)
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Oh My GOOD GOD!!
You're telling me you are part Somali?
Good christ man dont you see how close my reviews are to yours? Jesus I'll have to change my username and type face immediately.
To think I even copied and Pasted a few of your comments.
p.s I dont think there is a real answer to what to do. You will never make everyone happy someone will always complain that its too lenient or too harsh. Probably why I never went into teaching, other than not particularily liking children, but then that didnt seem to harm my teachers prospects acutually i think it was a prerequisite for the job.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-03-13 11:11:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2008-03-13 11:06:48 EDT (#)
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What the hell is a vulvasaur card ????
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Well it's better than the paddy card but not as dangerous as the Somali card.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-03-13 11:10:58 EDT (#)
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Well to put it in a nutshell I was proposing a sort of soulless & faceless authoratarian approach to school discipline which puts the parents at the centre of the process and you were in favour of saying that teachers should have carte blance to do whatever they want to enforce their rules, confined only by loose guidlines.
There are merits and drawbacks to both methods, with the biggest drawback in your proposal being that it will lead to mayhem.
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2008-03-13 11:06:48 EDT (#)
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What the hell is a vulvasaur card ????
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2008-03-13 11:05:01 EDT (#)
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What??? No No No.
I kind of switched off Berty, were we arguing? If you could give me a quick run down of what my stand was I will be right back on that bad boy. I cant be bothered to read what I wrote again.
What ever it was you said. I DISAGREE!
p.s cage the little bastards
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-03-13 11:01:55 EDT (#)
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Anyway, I am glad that you agree with me Drogo. It is invigorating to be the champion of Right thinking leading the confused towards Righteousness.
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2008-03-13 11:01:23 EDT (#)
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The mother will probably complain that because someone snitched the little bastard up it shows that he is being victimised and bullied by everyone.
I just feel a Centre page spread in a 'Quality' news paper like the Sun tellling us all what a little Angel this boy really is. I can see the pictures of mother gripping onto him trying to keep him still for 5 seconds whilst they take a picture. Tears in her eyes about how hard done by he was. A re enactment of the whole tragic event. And a new Campaign for the paper to rant about.
I can hardly wait.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-03-13 11:00:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2008-03-13 10:56:48 EDT (#)
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He must have been snitched on, which means that he has lots of good friends too. Good on them.
Dont play the Rasist card either Berty or I will throw it back at you because i am just a lowly Paddy, kind of.
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I can and will play the race card, so watch it. I have a lvl 10 vulvasaur card to trump your paddy card as well.
*complicated hand gesture*
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-03-13 10:58:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DudeThatsBOSH (user info) at 2008-03-13 10:56:00 EDT (#)
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it was some narc
next time the kid should pee on the narc's face and tell him to suck a scrot.
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That's a little bit closer to the Japanese playground handbook than I would like, but I understand where you're coming from. Nobody likes a grass.
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2008-03-13 10:56:48 EDT (#)
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He must have been snitched on, which means that he has lots of good friends too. Good on them.
Dont play the Rasist card either Berty or I will throw it back at you because i am just a lowly Paddy, kind of.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-03-13 10:56:42 EDT (#)
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Incidently Drogo, I do write staff handbooks. It is actually a very boring excercise.
Submitted by DudeThatsBOSH (user info) at 2008-03-13 10:56:00 EDT (#)
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it was some narc
next time the kid should pee on the narc's face and tell him to suck a scrot.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-03-13 10:54:26 EDT (#)
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Seriously though, how was the kid caught? What was the teacher doing in the boys toilets?
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-03-13 10:53:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2008-03-13 10:48:56 EDT (#)
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I like that rule Berty. You should write staff handbooks.
Dont try and play the cripple card, we all saw a picture of you stood up on here somewhere.
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RACISM!
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-03-13 10:52:49 EDT (#)
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I think a better solution would be to send the kid home with a letter stating to the parent:
"This child's behaviour is unacceptable in this school. If there are repeated occurences in breach of behavioral standards then your child will be permanently excluded."
Only, you know, with better spelling.
Anyway, then it puts the ball sqaurely in the parent's court over how the kid is punished. Now blatently that means that kids are going to say 'wicked, I can go home if I take a dump in the urinal!" but then it will be up to the parents to impress on their offspring the importance of remaining in school.
If the parent is incapable of doing that, for whatever reason, then that's when you bring in additional legislation to set the rules for what happens next.
I think that seems fair, which is afterall the purpose of legislation: to create a fair structure for us to exist in.
Submitted by DudeThatsBOSH (user info) at 2008-03-13 10:52:44 EDT (#)
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poor kid was having a blast peeing on the walls/door but some narc ratted him out.
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2008-03-13 10:48:56 EDT (#)
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I like that rule Berty. You should write staff handbooks.
Dont try and play the cripple card, we all saw a picture of you stood up on here somewhere.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-03-13 10:43:46 EDT (#)
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I could never colour in between the lines because I am a cripple.
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Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-03-13 10:43:01 EDT (#)
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Now whether or not the teachers codes of practice should state:
"In the event of a six year old clogging up the lavotary then it is appropriate that his teacher should ensure that the child unclogs the aforementioned lavotary. If the child is uncooperative then the teacher may escalate the punishment with a short cigarette burn to the back of the childs hand. Should the child remain uncooperative then the teacher must refer the child to the school's Head of Punishment."
... is a matter of opinion. I think I've made my views on the matter clear, but in all fairness I accept that it is a matter of how parents want to raise their children. Hence why it is crucial that teachers follow the rules, just the same as any other employee is expected to follow rules in any other job.
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2008-03-13 10:42:55 EDT (#)
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Of course I see Berty. I also know how to colour in between lines which is great fun.
But what I am saying is. Where is the bad in this particular scenario? The teacher hasnt been abusive, from what we know. They have merely chosen to administer a punishment that is fitting to the act carried out. No need for lengthy wishy washy drawn out punishments that end with everyone wondering what the fuck the original problem was. Quick and to the point and a good lesson learnt.
I understand that there are rules and regulations that keep teachers firmly locked down these days and stop them from actually being able to do their jobs, heaven forbid some child actually gets told off or anything like that.
I just think that this kind of punishment should be perfectly fine. It's strange that you choose to label everyone that agrees with this or calls for further harsher punishment mentalists. Personally I think that it shows that people are actually sick of the 'I cant do anything about them' culture that has been allowed to develop.
I am not saying lets beat the little buggers up, but surely there has to be some form of proper punishment that shows children that what they did is wrong.
I find it funny that the lady in this particular situation will be putting her precious little git into private school, he will have great fun with most of their punishments.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-03-13 10:31:58 EDT (#)
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Alright Drogo, let me put this into a simpler context.
Let us say that I work at a company as a member of staff and am issued with a company handbook. The handbook states that if I see a fellow employee wearing clothes that violate the dress code I am too call him a cunt and lay him out with a haymaker. Failiure to do so will constitute a breach of company policy and I could be subject to disciplinary action.
The next day my colleauge Bob, who for the sake of argument we will say is somehow weedier than I am, comes in wearing trainers and I dutifully call him a cunt and knock him out with five upside the head. I then get a well done from my boss for being dutiful.
If I knock Bob out and the company handbook says that actually I should simply grass Bob up to my line manager then I have breached the rules.
Do you see?
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2008-03-13 10:23:08 EDT (#)
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But I dont see how this can be breaking any rules. It is merely showing a child the consequesces of his actions, by showing him the type of job he can expect to do in the future if he continues to bit a little prick who disrespects other peoples property and fucks around doing silly little pranks.
You could almost call it work experience for the guy, and we all know how much fun work experience can be.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-03-13 10:18:37 EDT (#)
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You miss the point Drogo. The teacher is there doing a job in an institution. Thus there are rules, procedures and lines that you do not cross. If the state policy says that she can force the boy to clean the toilet then that is fair enough, although I personally would feel concern towards such legislation.
I'm fairly certain, however, that it doesn't.
It's simply about rules Drogo. This teacher has breached them and that's that. You've got to see the bigger picture vis-a-vis teaching as a proffesion, precedents and codes of practice.
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2008-03-13 10:10:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-03-13 09:55:28 EDT (#)
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Alright well I have to say that using humiliation as part of an institution's punishments is really rather monstrous and doing that sort of thing to kids generally doesn't help matters. Why, simply look at the users who've left comments calling for harsher punishment; they're tragic at best and properly mentalised at worst.
Whilst it may have been neccesary to discipline the boy, I don't really know the whole story so I don't know for sure, I am sure there are more suitable punishments in the teacher's arsenal.
Seriously though, you people calling for more brutality towards children are worrying.
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I'm not calling for harsher treatment Berty. And this wasnt humiliation it was showing the boy the consequences of his actions. It may have been humiliating for him to carry out, but really he should know better than to do what he did in the first place.
I'm not saying give the boy a good hiding, just that understanding what happens from his actions can only be a good thing.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2008-03-13 10:07:31 EDT (#)
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There's got to be more to the story than just this.
This kid has probably stuck his hands in worse than a toilet.
He's not going to die and probably won't even get sick.
Kids do crap like this. Even back in the stone age when I was in grade school, boys were always flushing whole rolls of toilet paper down the toilet with the intent of clogging it.
Except back then our parents didn't scream like banshees when we got punished at school and usually we got our asses kicked when we got home as well.
Just another sign of the decline.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-03-13 09:57:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Ltap (user info) at 2008-03-13 09:41:46 EDT (#)
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I see no problem with it. That was always the rule where I was - you miss the toilet, you have to clean it up. The kid should learn that he can't just do anything and get away with it or he'll turn out to be even more of a brat than he already probably is.
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Does that mean that at your school your teachers would watch you pee?
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-03-13 09:55:28 EDT (#)
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Alright well I have to say that using humiliation as part of an institution's punishments is really rather monstrous and doing that sort of thing to kids generally doesn't help matters. Why, simply look at the users who've left comments calling for harsher punishment; they're tragic at best and properly mentalised at worst.
Whilst it may have been neccesary to discipline the boy, I don't really know the whole story so I don't know for sure, I am sure there are more suitable punishments in the teacher's arsenal.
Seriously though, you people calling for more brutality towards children are worrying.
Submitted by Ltap (user info) at 2008-03-13 09:41:46 EDT (#)
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I see no problem with it. That was always the rule where I was - you miss the toilet, you have to clean it up. The kid should learn that he can't just do anything and get away with it or he'll turn out to be even more of a brat than he already probably is.
Submitted by Ejryuu (user info) at 2008-03-13 09:38:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2008-03-13 09:10:55 GMT (#)
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It's a sad state of affairs when the supposed education system can't actually teach due to parents who molly coddle and over protect their little brats.
Children need to understand that there are consequences for their actions, this little boy learnt that. He also needs to learn that just because their is a Janitor/Cleaner around to mop stuff up it isnt necessarily their job to clean up acts of wanton vandalism.
This sums up so much of what is wrong with people today that children can get away with being little shits, bad mouthing or even being violent towards teachers without any kind of sanction against them. Make the little sods clean up their own bloody mess, stop wrapping them up in cotton wool and sheltering them from failure or facing up to their actions. These little gits will one day be out in the big wide world where they will soon realise that they arent always going to get a fucking medal for 'Just being in the race' or if they step out of line they will be fired or end up in a cell, and mummy isnt going to be able to scream at the judge that it was all someone elses fault.
It sickens me sometimes.
Submitted by FALLEN (user info) at 2008-03-13 08:44:40 EDT (#)
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I guess gloves were in order but let him clean the mess.
Submitted by sexualchocolate1984 (user info) at 2008-03-13 07:50:00 EDT (#)
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Have these people never had dogs?
If they piss on the floor, you rub the little fuckers face in the piss, and they don't do it again.
Fucking idiots! I should so be a teacher.....
Submitted by sicosemen (user info) at 2008-03-13 07:33:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2008-03-13 06:55:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2008-03-13 09:10:55 GMT (#)
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It's a sad state of affairs when the supposed education system can't actually teach due to parents who molly coddle and over protect their little brats.
Children need to understand that there are consequences for their actions, this little boy learnt that. He also needs to learn that just because their is a Janitor/Cleaner around to mop stuff up it isnt necessarily their job to clean up acts of wanton vandalism.
This sums up so much of what is wrong with people today that children can get away with being little shits, bad mouthing or even being violent towards teachers without any kind of sanction against them. Make the little sods clean up their own bloody mess, stop wrapping them up in cotton wool and sheltering them from failure or facing up to their actions. These little gits will one day be out in the big wide world where they will soon realise that they arent always going to get a fucking medal for 'Just being in the race' or if they step out of line they will be fired or end up in a cell, and mummy isnt going to be able to scream at the judge that it was all someone elses fault.
It sickens me sometimes.
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I always just wanted to attach my name to something.
Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2008-03-13 06:55:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2008-03-13 09:10:55 GMT (#)
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It's a sad state of affairs when the supposed education system can't actually teach due to parents who molly coddle and over protect their little brats.
Children need to understand that there are consequences for their actions, this little boy learnt that. He also needs to learn that just because their is a Janitor/Cleaner around to mop stuff up it isnt necessarily their job to clean up acts of wanton vandalism.
This sums up so much of what is wrong with people today that children can get away with being little shits, bad mouthing or even being violent towards teachers without any kind of sanction against them. Make the little sods clean up their own bloody mess, stop wrapping them up in cotton wool and sheltering them from failure or facing up to their actions. These little gits will one day be out in the big wide world where they will soon realise that they arent always going to get a fucking medal for 'Just being in the race' or if they step out of line they will be fired or end up in a cell, and mummy isnt going to be able to scream at the judge that it was all someone elses fault.
It sickens me sometimes.
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2008-03-13 05:10:55 EDT (#)
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It's a sad state of affairs when the supposed education system can't actually teach due to parents who molly coddle and over protect their little brats.
Children need to understand that there are consequences for their actions, this little boy learnt that. He also needs to learn that just because their is a Janitor/Cleaner around to mop stuff up it isnt necessarily their job to clean up acts of wanton vandalism.
This sums up so much of what is wrong with people today that children can get away with being little shits, bad mouthing or even being violent towards teachers without any kind of sanction against them. Make the little sods clean up their own bloody mess, stop wrapping them up in cotton wool and sheltering them from failure or facing up to their actions. These little gits will one day be out in the big wide world where they will soon realise that they arent always going to get a fucking medal for 'Just being in the race' or if they step out of line they will be fired or end up in a cell, and mummy isnt going to be able to scream at the judge that it was all someone elses fault.
It sickens me sometimes.
Submitted by WookieSuave (user info) at 2008-03-13 02:51:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ilikesteak (user info) at 2008-03-13 01:17:44 EDT (#)
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See, it's things like this that irk me about the school system.
The second a teacher tries to punish a student in any effective manner, the parent jumps straight to a lawsuit.
Teachers are reduced to babysitters, and can't really teach the subjects anymore.
It's getting close to impossible for children to learn in these settings, because the teachers recieve more PC training than training on how to teach.
While this incident was poor at best, at least it was an attempt.
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Spot on, these are the same types of parents that try to have a teacher's head because their child dies poorly on a difficult examination that they were warned about 3 months prior.
Same parents who cry for blood when their child comes home with a broken nose after treating the "giant slow kid" like a freak show all day.
Same parents who fail to believe that the problem isn't the 29 other students in the class, its' the fact that their own little "johnny" is an ignorant student.
Granted, she should have let him wear gloves, but let the kid clean up and pay for his mistakes.
Submitted by NotSteve (user info) at 2008-03-13 01:41:20 EDT (#)
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I just know that my mother would have whipped me unmercifully and afterwards - while my ass was still red - she would have also followed me and supervised while I cleaned every bathroom in the school.
I saw this story on the 11 o'clock news and at the tail end of the story, the mom said something to the effect of, "Come fall, I'll be taking him out of public school and enrolling him into private school."
If she's that put out, why wait until the end of the school term?
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2008-03-13 01:34:24 EDT (#)
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hey, at least she didn't make the kid fish it out with his teeth.
Submitted by Stagger_Lee (user info) at 2008-03-13 01:31:22 EDT (#)
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Coyote is correct.
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2008-03-13 01:30:25 EDT (#)
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that'll teach that 6-year-old hellraiser. though, in my day, he would have been whipped unmercifully, then hung upside down with a black bag tied around his head. schools are getting soft, i'm afraid.
Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2008-03-13 01:28:36 EDT (#)
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that brings us to the logical conclusion that this teacher is a retard
most teachers are.
Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2008-03-13 01:22:07 EDT (#)
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He should be shot in the fucking head then hurled at his dumbfuck mother.
The corpse should then be pissed on and his mom can handclean it.
Submitted by Socialist_Joe (user info) at 2008-03-13 01:18:03 EDT (#)
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ha
ha
ha
i bet he wont ever do that again
Submitted by ilikesteak (user info) at 2008-03-13 01:17:44 EDT (#)
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See, it's things like this that irk me about the school system.
The second a teacher tries to punish a student in any effective manner, the parent jumps straight to a lawsuit.
Teachers are reduced to babysitters, and can't really teach the subjects anymore.
It's getting close to impossible for children to learn in these settings, because the teachers recieve more PC training than training on how to teach.
While this incident was poor at best, at least it was an attempt.
Submitted by Coyote (user info) at 2008-03-13 01:05:34 EDT (#)
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Cleaning up the floor is fair game. You make the mess, you clean it up.
Making the kid unclog the toilet with his bare hands? Lawsuit material. Says a lot about the teacher that she's not able to be more emotionally mature than a badly-parented 6 year old.