Are You Racist? Probably! Click here to find out! (2112 hits)
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Submitted by Oly (View user info) at 2008-03-25 17:20:54 EDT
I'm reading a book right now, "blink", which deals with "the power of thinking without thinking." Basically it is an analysis of our ability to judge quickly and accurately. One of the sections of the book deals with a test called the Implicit Association Test. It was devised by Harvard researchers Anthony G. Greenwald, Mahzarin Banaji, and Brian Nosek.
The test measures, as the name would suggest, our automatic associations with different groups of people or ideas. The one the book focuses on and the one I want to focus on is the Race IAT.
Go here:
https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/
Click on DEMONSTRATIONS, fill out the quick little survey, and take the test. It should take you less than ten minutes and you get to find out you're a racist sonofabitch. Or not, I guess. Some people are not, but this is Ubersite.
Personally, I tested out as having a "strong automatic preference for European Americans". It's interesting to me because I grew up in as diverse a community as possible in America. My grade school, junior high, and high school all rank among the top or are the apex of the most diverse schools in this country. I had groups of friends who refered to me as "White Guy", and some of my closest friends still can't fucking speak English despite living in this country for over ten years. One of my good friends from high school is about to get deported back to South Korea. I have always been a swimmer and a football and baseball player and my teams had an even higher concentration of people from ethnic backgrounds than those schools' general populations. I have always been comfortable around people of other races, and I STILL have a hard time with this test.
So give it a shot.
Also you can read some poetry I wrote yesterday, yay!
It's titled "Uninspired"
I revised my words for over an hour
before giving up on my writing
and jumping into the shower.
I was not inclined to keep fighting
with the chore of textual masturbation
over a subject I can't make exciting.
Reviewing all the idiotic machinations
which made up the wordy mess on my page,
resulted in a silent onslaught of mutual beration.
Imagine, if you will, a horse-drawn carriage
complete with a driver with a whip in his grip
and take in his motionless and proprietary visage.
That's me - the driver - stoic and purse-lipped,
because up front, we're drawn by no horse:
That story was a carriage ill-equipped.
All that time I spent in the shower, of course,
didn't help matters much— but here's the catch:
The damn thing couldn't have gotten much worse.
The dealings of the day about made me retch
when I realized my only productive hour was spent
coaxing my sunburn into peeling off my chest.
One more wasted day — my time devoured;
I check the clock on the wall—it's time I retired
to bed with that taste in my mouth: sour
from the sensation of feeling so uninspired.
Dont feel like camwhoring today. So in the spirit of Easter:
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Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-04-03 03:42:27 EDT (#)
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actually i just took a anti-gay/pro-gay/indifferent test in my human sexuality class and i ranked out as indifferent. i have two very very very good friends who are gay. i lost points because i said i strongly agreed with the point that if my kid turned out to be gay i would consider myself a failure of a father. besides that, i was comfortable with everything.
what else i learned (actually i knew this already but whatever) is that people who are homophobic or heavily anti-gay have been proven to become more aroused by male-male homosexual porn than guys who are indifferent. so suck on that, faggot.
:)
Submitted by loopdeloo (user info) at 2008-04-02 14:59:11 EDT (#)
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Your data suggest a strong automatic preference for Straight People compared to Gay People.
I am not gay! Whew! Glad that is settled.
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2008-03-31 15:56:15 EDT (#)
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Look Ma - I'm fucking racist!
Submitted by experima (user info) at 2008-03-27 11:31:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2008-03-27 02:42:09 PDT (#)
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Submitted by experima (user info) at 2008-03-26 23:59:36 GMT (#)
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i'm slightly racist but don't care about fat people or gay people so i guess it all balances out.
unless you're fat, gay, AND black.
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<3 experima.
i felt uncomftable doing that test.
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<3 orphelia
not as uncomfortable as I apparently am with black people!!!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-03-27 09:39:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by netimportant (user info) at 2008-03-27 04:04:19 EDT (#)
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caulaincourt: it's 45-year-old
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i know...i can't help it :(
Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2008-03-27 05:42:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by experima (user info) at 2008-03-26 23:59:36 GMT (#)
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i'm slightly racist but don't care about fat people or gay people so i guess it all balances out.
unless you're fat, gay, AND black.
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<3 experima.
i felt uncomftable doing that test.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2008-03-27 04:26:42 EDT (#)
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English tips huh, next you will be giving cake eating tips
Submitted by netimportant (user info) at 2008-03-27 04:04:19 EDT (#)
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caulaincourt: it's 45-year-old
you say: Mike is 45 years old.
or: Mike is a 45-year-old.
Submitted by netimportant (user info) at 2008-03-27 03:09:23 EDT (#)
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I didn't read this man. All I know is creepy old black dude fucking love me, and all my cousins too. I think because we have big round booties. I'm drunk as fuck.
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-03-26 22:10:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Banjo (user info) at 2008-03-26 19:13:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-03-25 18:44:34 EDT (#)
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because most black people (since they are subjected to white culture on a constant basis and entertainment media and news stations are the way they are) dont associate positively with blacks. even the author of blink is half black and had moderate preference for whites.
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See I don't think I agree with this. Black culture is everywhere to the point as a white European I feel smothered in it. I mean I like music and art and dancing and all the usual shite but it feels sometimes as though if its white, it'll never have as much soul, as much rhythm the good old 'you can't hear the music, you can only listen' deal.
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and of course you're right. but a big part of black culture is about underachieving. like that new soulja boy song, YAH TRICK YAHH, where he says at the end, something about "i had all F's on my report card, i took it to my teacher and said, THROW SOME D'S ON THAT BITCH"
i personally think it is hilarious, but little niglets probably dont need role models like that.
Submitted by experima (user info) at 2008-03-26 19:59:36 EDT (#)
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i'm slightly racist but don't care about fat people or gay people so i guess it all balances out.
unless you're fat, gay, AND black.
Submitted by Banjo (user info) at 2008-03-26 19:13:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-03-25 18:44:34 EDT (#)
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because most black people (since they are subjected to white culture on a constant basis and entertainment media and news stations are the way they are) dont associate positively with blacks. even the author of blink is half black and had moderate preference for whites.
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See I don't think I agree with this. Black culture is everywhere to the point as a white European I feel smothered in it. I mean I like music and art and dancing and all the usual shite but it feels sometimes as though if its white, it'll never have as much soul, as much rhythm the good old 'you can't hear the music, you can only listen' deal.
Submitted by i_can_get_you_a_toe (user info) at 2008-03-26 18:04:41 EDT (#)
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Your data suggest little to no automatic preference between European American and African American
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I loves my maori boys.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2008-03-26 16:40:50 EDT (#)
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I asked a black dude to take the test on my notebook computer. Needless to say, I'm now typing on the library computer as my notebook is probably in a pawn shop. :(
Submitted by DMBillies (user info) at 2008-03-26 16:24:53 EDT (#)
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if i came off as totally prickish here, i apologize, but i just think you are off base with this.
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I don't think you necessarily came across as "prickish." Whether I went about describing it the right way or not, I think the point still stands...
In my opinion, racism (or prejudice) creeps in from our natural instinct to make quick judgments about the people around us based on a limited (usually very limited) amount of information. As more information is collected, we can refine those judgments. To the extent that the new information can be assimilated into the prior judgment, the initial judgment is either reinforced or modified. This can eventually build itself into a more and more racist way of thinking depending on your experiences and the circumstances under which you are getting your information (if you constantly hear from your parents and neighbors that people with blue hair are evil, you'll have built a strong prejudice before you even have a chance to interact with a person with blue hair). Because people tend to divide themselves geographically along certain socio-economic boundaries, there are plenty of opportunities for prejudiced information to fester and then to be passed along.
Bottom line is, that gut reaction people get and often feel guilty for when encountering someone unknown in a potentially dangerous situation is adaptive...
...there is also a world of difference between that and consciously discriminating against a person or having laws that are set-up to be different based race, sex, religion, etc.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-03-26 15:56:02 EDT (#)
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To quote Ron Burgundy: "That doesn't make sense."
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-03-26 15:30:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-03-26 14:51:51 EDT (#)
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Caul, you need to do something about that before he kills you and rapes your dead body. I think I speak for everyone here when I say that would be most unfortunate and not at all hilarious.
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I am sure the posts after the fact would be more funny then the ones from when when that ass clown who used to post here killed himself.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-03-26 14:57:36 EDT (#)
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no worries, he's 5'6" 45 years old fag.
my boss has already been noticed.
this is fun :-)
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-03-26 14:51:51 EDT (#)
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Caul, you need to do something about that before he kills you and rapes your dead body. I think I speak for everyone here when I say that would be most unfortunate and not at all hilarious.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-03-26 14:49:34 EDT (#)
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in other news, a gay dude at my job is sending dirty emails. what used to be jokes is now threats.
he's even following me outside the office!?!
i plan on getting him fired :-D
p.s. do i look that gay?! 8-|
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-03-26 14:41:37 EDT (#)
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just want to save you the embarassement (like this: http://www.ubersite.com/m/100599#2376720) and not crowd up this website with boring talk.
give me your email. i'll explain you a few thing, ok rob?
p.s. then we can cam2cam and you'll get to see my dick you're so jealous of
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-03-26 14:35:41 EDT (#)
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Being evasive
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-03-26 14:34:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-03-26 14:11:23 EDT (#)
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Bah.
Proving you wrong is painful, you have your limited mind made up and don't care what I have to say. You bait me into a lengthy explanation, then either claim to not read them or simply ignore what I type. Now, as entertaining as it is for me to occasionally churn out the odd diatribe - I don't really feel like playing that particular game today.
However, as YOU have rarely proven anything beyond your capacity to remain a giant French Canadian turd - I'll make you a deal: If you want to dig up what I have specifically said in the past I will happily defend anything I have typed at you.
I might even use a few **facts**.
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lol, whatever you say, captain evasive.
i'm not gonna dig those up again. i have already, and both times you embarassed yourself with the same meaningless nonesense and semi-gay ad hominem. "oh caul, you silly caca poo poo pee pee face, tee hee, you are so ignorant...kiss me will you?" except that one time you actually linked an article, but were too dumb to realize that it came in direct contradiction with you and then fled the conversation.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-03-26 14:24:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-03-26 14:17:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-03-26 14:11:23 EDT (#)
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Bah.
Proving you wrong is painful, you have your limited mind made up and don't care what I have to say. You bait me into a lengthy explanation, then either claim to not read them or simply ignore what I type.
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Nice job summing up how Caulaincourt entertains himself at your expense.
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It's a fair price some days... but I'll admit I occasionally have buyer's remorse.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-03-26 14:17:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-03-26 14:11:23 EDT (#)
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Bah.
Proving you wrong is painful, you have your limited mind made up and don't care what I have to say. You bait me into a lengthy explanation, then either claim to not read them or simply ignore what I type.
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Nice job summing up how Caulaincourt entertains himself at your expense.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-03-26 14:11:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-03-26 13:47:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-03-26 13:39:59 EDT (#)
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You do more to prove I am right than any words I can churn out, sunshine.
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i don't know how i'm proving that absurd recycled stereotype that wasn't even directed to us in the 1st place. please provide facts instead of vague insinuations.
and even if i did, wouldn't that be....A GENERALIZATION?
you are just the type i was talking about. you actually believe the crap because you think of yourself as knowledgeable when in fact, you're completly clueless. of course, you'll never prove me wrong since we've all seen how you remain evasive when asked to **factually** prove your statements.
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Bah.
Proving you wrong is painful, you have your limited mind made up and don't care what I have to say. You bait me into a lengthy explanation, then either claim to not read them or simply ignore what I type. Now, as entertaining as it is for me to occasionally churn out the odd diatribe - I don't really feel like playing that particular game today.
However, as YOU have rarely proven anything beyond your capacity to remain a giant French Canadian turd - I'll make you a deal: If you want to dig up what I have specifically said in the past I will happily defend anything I have typed at you.
I might even use a few **facts**.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-03-26 13:47:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-03-26 13:39:59 EDT (#)
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You do more to prove I am right than any words I can churn out, sunshine.
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i don't know how i'm proving that absurd recycled stereotype that wasn't even directed to us in the 1st place. please provide facts instead of vague insinuations.
and even if i did, wouldn't that be....A GENERALIZATION?
you are just the type i was talking about. you actually believe the crap because you think of yourself as knowledgeable when in fact, you're completly clueless. of course, you'll never prove me wrong since we've all seen how you remain evasive when asked to **factually** prove your statements.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-03-26 13:39:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-03-26 13:36:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-03-26 13:17:16 EDT (#)
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I generally have at least a solid understanding of the topic before I participate in the conversation.
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lol, with vague crap and parroted stereotypes.
tell me more about that culture of entitlement, mr. harper.
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You do more to prove I am right than any words I can churn out, sunshine.
That you don't see that is fitting, and amusing.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-03-26 13:36:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-03-26 13:17:16 EDT (#)
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I generally have at least a solid understanding of the topic before I participate in the conversation.
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lol, with vague crap and parroted stereotypes.
tell me more about that culture of entitlement, mr. harper.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-03-26 13:33:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2008-03-26 13:19:41 EDT (#)
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So not racist = not being able to distinguish between race or having any opinions regarding race whatsoever? To me that's the equivalent of living under a rock.
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Pretty much.
In essence it should be a relatively benign term - it is our negative prejudice that creates the massive stigma that being a 'racist' has in our society.
That, and people are sometimes just stupid intolerant petty fucking cunts.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2008-03-26 13:19:41 EDT (#)
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So not racist = not being able to distinguish between race or having any opinions regarding race whatsoever? To me that's the equivalent of living under a rock.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-03-26 13:19:24 EDT (#)
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...although don't ask Bubba. His nose is out of joint because I called him an idiot.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-03-26 13:17:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-03-26 07:55:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-03-25 17:53:28 EDT (#)
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I think we are all racist to some degree.
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the worst kind is self-righteous people like yourself or jack_mccallum who think they are virtuous in that regard then make one ignorant statement after another and believe themselves because they consider themselves to be 'nice'.
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I consider myself the best kind of self-righteous.
I AM virtuous in that regard - and while I have certainly been known to utter the odd ignorant statement I generally have at least a solid understanding of the topic before I participate in the conversation.
I AM 'nice'. Ask around.
I completely stand by my statement: We are all racist to some degree.
One of our primary instincts is survival, and establishing prejudice based on available data is completely natural. It is overcoming that bias and realizing that we are all individuals with our own morals, values and unique personalities based on experiences that transcends our latent racism.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-03-26 12:58:27 EDT (#)
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Apparently I show a "slight automatic preference" for whiteys. No real surprise there.
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2008-03-26 12:43:14 EDT (#)
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Your Result
Your data suggest little to no automatic preference between African American and European American.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-03-26 12:23:04 EDT (#)
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When I see this in the reviewed column it looks like it says "Are You a Rapist? Probably."
Submitted by Rhymenocerous (user info) at 2008-03-26 12:07:47 EDT (#)
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This test is flawed from the very beginning. "European American" is someone who was born in a country in Europe who now lives in presumably North America. "African American" is someone who was born in Africa who now lives in America.
White people can come from African. Black people can come from Europe.
The assumption that all black people come from Africa is about as racist as you can get.
The same standards should be given to both black people and white people. Calling every black person "African American" is pretty goddamn ignorant. White people come from Africa, too.
Are black people who live in Africa also called "African Americans?"
Are white people who live in Africa called "African Americans?"
If I moved to Africa, being born in America, would I be called an "American-African?"
See what I'm getting at?
Submitted by celtic1888 (user info) at 2008-03-26 10:26:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-03-26 09:57:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Danger_Ranger (user info) at 2008-03-26 08:15:30 EDT (#)
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As a matter of interest, where did you stand on the whole Quebecois succession rigmarole?
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i assume you meant seccession.
let's just say that most quebecers agree that with today's context, it's pretty much a dead dream.
i don't really care today whether we seperate or not.
the thing that does bother me is how the federal govt literally cheated in the last referendum (i was 13 then). i would probably live my adult life in a different context today. it's the "what ifs" that are annoying.
Submitted by Brdn_Nkd (user info) at 2008-03-26 09:32:40 EDT (#)
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interesting
Saccy! Thanks for all the treats! I'll reciprocate soon.
Submitted by Danger_Ranger (user info) at 2008-03-26 09:08:51 EDT (#)
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and there's no dark side of the moon, because it'd be a nigger.
Submitted by F.J.Bell (user info) at 2008-03-26 09:00:19 EDT (#)
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There is nothing new under the sun. It has all been done before.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-03-26 08:39:34 EDT (#)
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I'm a little bit racist, like most people. Growing up in the south gives one a unique perspective on race relations.
Although I did go on a date last night with a super cute black guy.
Here's something else fun about race stereotypes - sometimes they're true! My group of friends is pretty motley. My best guy friend is black, and he loves friend chicken more than life itself, and he chronically runs late. Another friend is Filipino, and he's probably the worst driver I've ever been in a car with. And every last one of my Jewish friends is a total mama's boy.
Submitted by Danger_Ranger (user info) at 2008-03-26 08:15:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-03-26 07:51:53 EDT (#)
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did that test linked from a french article a while ago.
it explained our brain is rigged for stereotypes. it categorizes and generalizes based on differences, however small they are, to treat information more easily and in some cases, defense.
basically, everyone is intelorant. just like every male would have sex with as much women as possible.
the problem is like indo said, when you act on it and/or rationalize those primal reactions.
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this almost 'reads' like english, a bit like yoda but mostly english.
As a matter of interest, where did you stand on the whole Quebecois succession rigmarole?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-03-26 07:55:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-03-25 17:53:28 EDT (#)
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I think we are all racist to some degree.
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the worst kind is self-righteous people like yourself or jack_mccallum who think they are virtuous in that regard then make one ignorant statement after another and believe themselves because they consider themselves to be 'nice'.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-03-26 07:51:53 EDT (#)
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did that test linked from a french article a while ago.
it explained our brain is rigged for stereotypes. it categorizes and generalizes based on differences, however small they are, to treat information more easily and in some cases, defense.
basically, everyone is intelorant. just like every male would have sex with as much women as possible.
the problem is like indo said, when you act on it and/or rationalize those primal reactions.
Submitted by czwij (user info) at 2008-03-26 03:59:39 EDT (#)
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at least yer not queer
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-03-26 03:58:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DMBillies (user info) at 2008-03-26 01:50:55 EDT (#)
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The problem with tests like this is that your results don't take into account what we "quaky" psychologists call "social desirability." Simple fact is, people answer questions almost as much on the basis of what they believe they are supposed to think as they do on what they actually think.
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no. sorry, but you're off. i know you want this to be true, but it's not. the reason you're supposed to go as quickly as you can through this is because they are forcing you to disregard what you think you believe and what you think you're supposed to believe. this test is "thinking without thinking" -- no time for debate. the results are based on the millisecond differences it takes you to associate goodness with one race or the other.
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Any questionnaire worth publishing has an entire scale dedicated to figuring out how "honest" a person is about their answers. I would assume that the actual study these folks are doing also has one. If not, it sucks...
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yeah, it's the timing aspect. for instance, i quickly associated good and white, but i had a harder time with good and black, and then i had an easier time again with good and white.
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A basic fact is that each individual makes immediate judgments about other individuals based on how similar they are to them. You are automatically suspicious of people in your "outgroup." That holds for any category that a person might differ from you on (e.g., sex, age group, education level, income, etc.).
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read my exchange with indoninja. it's not that black and white (pun intended!). again, i know you want this to be true, but it aint.
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What no one wants to admit is that it mostly has to do with how well you can identify with and understand what that other person is thinking and what they might do in a given situation... which is exactly what gives those snap judgments their adaptive function and why everyone makes them.
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then explain why black people show preference for white people. your average black person should identify closely with other black people, but they have a harder time understanding what another black person is thinking than the average white (or any other of the myriad races that took this test) person understands what white people think? your theory doesnt fit.
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For example, a white woman on a street late at night who doesn't recognize and react to a white male as a potential threat, could end up a victim of rape and murder... and many of the women that kind of thing happens to report not reacting to their "gut instinct."
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there are plenty of problems with this, not least of which is the fact that asking a woman to explain why she was raped is completely unreasonable and her testimony, after assigning blame to herself because she has no other rational explanation for getting raped while walking down the street (as if she should have known better), is completely unreliable. it's just like the black person who fails the GRE after being reminded of his race says, "I guess I'm just too stupid to be here."
if i came off as totally prickish here, i apologize, but i just think you are off base with this.
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-03-26 03:09:48 EDT (#)
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some of you people are fucking retarded.
newsflash, i know.
venusian - I just wanted to play with the ABA rhyme scheme. I hear what you're saying about the rhythm, and that's actually why I hate poetry so much. I dont want to count my syllables, I just want to write. My writing is anything but artistic and I find most poetry pretentious, so when I'm forced to write poetry -- as I have been lately for this stupid fucking creative writing class I'm in -- I like to mock myself by leaving it shitty. It actually sounds a little bit better if I read it aloud, but you and the kids from my class who are workshopping this shit right now aren't afforded that luxury. I find the satirization of myself in this poem hilarious but I'm 100% sure I'm the only person who's going to get the joke, and I'm 300% sure nobody in my class will find it even remotely funny.
So, yeah, I agree. But I'd rather rhyme and have my own private fun than write with rhythmic consistency and get comments like "you've really got a good start here" and feel like a tool.
I do not predict that I will ever write a poem which, on a scale from one to good, ranks in at decent.
Submitted by DMBillies (user info) at 2008-03-26 01:50:55 EDT (#)
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The problem with tests like this is that your results don't take into account what we "quaky" psychologists call "social desirability." Simple fact is, people answer questions almost as much on the basis of what they believe they are supposed to think as they do on what they actually think.
Any questionnaire worth publishing has an entire scale dedicated to figuring out how "honest" a person is about their answers. I would assume that the actual study these folks are doing also has one. If not, it sucks...
A basic fact is that each individual makes immediate judgments about other individuals based on how similar they are to them. You are automatically suspicious of people in your "outgroup." That holds for any category that a person might differ from you on (e.g., sex, age group, education level, income, etc.).
What no one wants to admit is that it mostly has to do with how well you can identify with and understand what that other person is thinking and what they might do in a given situation... which is exactly what gives those snap judgments their adaptive function and why everyone makes them.
For example, a white woman on a street late at night who doesn't recognize and react to a white male as a potential threat, could end up a victim of rape and murder... and many of the women that kind of thing happens to report not reacting to their "gut instinct."
Submitted by X54 (user info) at 2008-03-26 00:24:49 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Targa (user info) at 2008-03-26 00:04:55 EDT (#)
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You have completed the Light Skin - Dark Skin IAT.
Your Result
Your data suggest little to no automatic preference between Dark Skin and Light Skin.
I've never heard of these quizzes before, and it was actually fun to do this one. I'm white. I'm Canadian. My parents were born here. My grandparents were born here. My great-grandparents were born... some here, and some in the UK, I think.
I'm sure I'd be digging in my heels and angry if this quiz said I was in love with one particular race and showed a HUGE automatic preference one way or the other.
What can I say, I love all you assholes.
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You were supposed to do the race IAT.
Submitted by Targa (user info) at 2008-03-26 00:04:55 EDT (#)
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You have completed the Light Skin - Dark Skin IAT.
Your Result
Your data suggest little to no automatic preference between Dark Skin and Light Skin.
I've never heard of these quizzes before, and it was actually fun to do this one. I'm white. I'm Canadian. My parents were born here. My grandparents were born here. My great-grandparents were born... some here, and some in the UK, I think.
I'm sure I'd be digging in my heels and angry if this quiz said I was in love with one particular race and showed a HUGE automatic preference one way or the other.
What can I say, I love all you assholes.
Submitted by X54 (user info) at 2008-03-25 23:49:18 EDT (#)
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"Your data suggest little to no automatic preference between European American and African American."
What bullshit! That test was about how easily you can make the adjustment from having GOOD with European and BAD with African to the other way round. Fucking psychologists. They're all a bunch of quacks. We're all racist on the inside. I sure as hell am, but the test didn't show it. But it doesn't matter as long as we don't let it affect our behavior. God damn fucking psychologists, I hate'em all. After what they did to me.
Submitted by Registered_S_O (user info) at 2008-03-25 23:05:18 EDT (#)
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That test was fucking stupid. It was mostly memorization and how quickly you can interpret things.
GIVE ME BACK MY 5 MINUTES OF MY LIFE.
Submitted by Bigmike (user info) at 2008-03-25 22:59:44 EDT (#)
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Pretty interesting.
I have no preference either way. Seriously, I was totally non-committed to either. Interesting test, boring and predictable result.
I could have told them before the test that I have no real race preferences. I want to kill people of every color. :)
Submitted by venusian (user info) at 2008-03-25 22:47:44 EDT (#)
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you shouldn't worry so much about rhyming - not if you're going to ignore rhythm all together.
Submitted by jimboruckus (user info) at 2008-03-25 22:00:12 EDT (#)
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no diferense between niggers and asssholies.
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-03-25 21:41:31 EDT (#)
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I'm basically PLAGERIZING this book. I may have lost the ability of independent thought.
Oh well. To quote the author again: "The disturbing thing about the test is that it shows that our unconscious attitudes may be utterly incompatible with our stated conscious values. As it turns out, for example, of the fifty thousand African Americans who have taken the Race IAT so far, about half of them, like me, have stronger associations with whites than with blacks. How could we not? We live in North America, where we are surrounded every day by cultural messages linking white with good. 'You dont choose to make positive associations with the dominant group,' says Mahzarin Banaji, who teaches psychology at Harvard University and is one of the leaders in IAT research. 'But you are required to. All around you, that group is being paired with good things. You open the newspaper and you turn on the television, and you can't escape it.'"
From earlier in the book, on the subject of a research study on the impact of race on GRE and other standardized test results: "When the students were asked to identify their race on a pretest questionnaire, that simple act was sufficient to prime them with all the negative stereotypes associated with African Americans and academic achievement -- and the number of items they got right was <i>cut in half</i>...If a white student from a prestigious private high school gets a higher SAT score than a black student from an inner city high school, it is because she's a truly better student, or is it because to be white and to attend a prestigious high school is to be constantly primed with the idea of being "smart"?
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Aronson and Steele found the same thing with black students who did so poorly after they were reminded of their race. 'I talked to the black students afterward, and I asked them, "did anything lower your performance?"' Aronson said. 'I asked, "did it bug you that I asked you to indicate your race?" Because it clearly had a huge effect on their performance. And they would always say no and something like, "You know, I just don't think I'm smart enough to be here."'"
Kind of cool and scary at the same time.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-03-25 21:11:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-03-25 18:44:34 EDT (#)
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because most black people (since they are subjected to white culture on a constant basis and entertainment media and news stations are the way they are) dont associate positively with blacks. even the author of blink is half black and had moderate preference for whites.
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Missed that.
I don't buy the reason however.
How much "white culture" do you see in black neighborhoods, what exactly is "white culture". That conversation alone is a huge discussion with many different answers.
News stations don't present people in better or worse lights depending on their race.
Entertainment media isn't forcing a stereotype down anyone's throat. People are much more influenced by what they see going on in their neighborhoods than what they see on TV. How many people do you think even watch nightly news anymore?
I used to take the bus from DC to PSU, and whenever I was visiting friends int he summer I would inevitably be on the train or a bus. Next time you get a chance make a not of who has people sitting down next to them first.
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-03-25 20:57:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-03-25 18:44:34 EDT (#)
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because most black people (since they are subjected to white culture on a constant basis and entertainment media and news stations are the way they are) dont associate positively with blacks. even the author of blink is half black and had moderate preference for whites.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2008-03-25 20:43:31 EDT (#)
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Maybe its the prevalence of narcissism in white society.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-03-25 20:26:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by loki (user info) at 2008-03-25 20:02:07 EDT (#)
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it is typical animal behavior to prefer one's own kind
I suppose it all depends on what you think of as your own kind.
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Black people tend to prefer europeans more than the opposite.
Submitted by TheBrad (user info) at 2008-03-25 20:17:53 EDT (#)
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I am kinda dissapointed. it only gave me a slight preference for europeian.
I was looking forwards to the kkk calling me and trying to get me to join.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2008-03-25 20:02:07 EDT (#)
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it is typical animal behavior to prefer one's own kind
I suppose it all depends on what you think of as your own kind.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-03-25 19:33:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-03-25 18:56:54 EDT (#)
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im surprised i had any bias at all, too. i consider myself as not racist as not racist gets.
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Everybody has bias (although this test might not show everybodies) you are only a racist if you act on it.
There are oceans of difference between reacting to the correct stimuli when presented with someone of the "wrong" color and giving someone of the wrong "color" the shaft in real life.
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-03-25 18:56:54 EDT (#)
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im surprised i had any bias at all, too. i consider myself as not racist as not racist gets.
maybe now i'll start to act the part of a person who shows a strong automatic preference for european americans to african americans. maybe that's the psychological effect they were looking for.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-03-25 18:52:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-03-25 18:44:34 EDT (#)
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hahaha
rob, did you marry a black girl or something? because most black people (since they are subjected to white culture on a constant basis and entertainment media and news stations are the way they are) dont associate positively with blacks. even the author of blink is half black and had moderate preference for whites. so im curious how one would show preference for blacks.
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Nope - I married a German girl... although she does have lots of freckles.
To be honest, I'm surprised that I had any bias at all.
That, and I'm a giant freak.
Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2008-03-25 18:51:53 EDT (#)
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Your data suggest little to no automatic preference between European American and African American.
The interpretation is described as 'automatic preference for European American' if you responded faster when European American faces and Good words were classified with the same key than when African American faces and Good words were classified with the same key. Depending on the magnitude of your result, your automatic preference may be described as 'slight', 'moderate', 'strong', or 'little to no preference'. Alternatively, you may have received feedback that 'there were too many errors to determine a result'.
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-03-25 18:46:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Banjo (user info) at 2008-03-25 18:42:02 EDT (#)
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And run fast, shit swimmers though
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the fastest swimmer i ever went up against was a black kid from Evanston named Blake Wallace, and the best water polo player i ever played against was a black kid from Morgan Park High School in chicago.
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-03-25 18:44:34 EDT (#)
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hahaha
rob, did you marry a black girl or something? because most black people (since they are subjected to white culture on a constant basis and entertainment media and news stations are the way they are) dont associate positively with blacks. even the author of blink is half black and had moderate preference for whites. so im curious how one would show preference for blacks.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-03-25 18:44:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Banjo (user info) at 2008-03-25 18:42:02 EDT (#)
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shit swimmers though
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Well sure, but they sink well.
Submitted by Banjo (user info) at 2008-03-25 18:42:02 EDT (#)
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And run fast, shit swimmers though
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-03-25 18:39:46 EDT (#)
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I slightly preferred African Americans.
Which I think is slightly bullshit, but them fuckers sure can jump good.
Submitted by Banjo (user info) at 2008-03-25 18:37:49 EDT (#)
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I know there is a gazillion things wrong with that sentence but it still made me laugh...
There could be some truth in that test after all. For the test I moderately laughed and moderately prefer European Americans.
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-03-25 18:24:49 EDT (#)
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Hanging niggers from birch trees and teaching your children how to play with a pinata.
Submitted by Banjo (user info) at 2008-03-25 18:20:52 EDT (#)
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Definition of racist?
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-03-25 18:19:06 EDT (#)
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thanks.
at least if you're not actively racist, the results dont matter a whole lot.
Submitted by Banjo (user info) at 2008-03-25 18:16:46 EDT (#)
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I'd say the approximation isn't even in the ballpark... only my opinion though
Liked the poem btw
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-03-25 18:12:40 EDT (#)
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oh and also, I tried the presidential candidate IAT, and my preferential rankings were exactly what I could have told you they were two months ago: Huckabee, Obama, McCain, Hillary.
There's some truth to this.
btw, the test admits to showing an approximation of your standing. It's not a dead-on-balls-accurate gauge of your racist tendencies.
Submitted by HotWillie (user info) at 2008-03-25 18:10:14 EDT (#)
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i was down in puerto vallarta and the pool at the hotel had a solid cement barrier about six inches thick that separated the shallow area from the deep area. the top of the barrier was just below the surface of the water.
i had long hair and a beard at the time, and late in the afternoon i swam out, took my suit off, jumped up on the barrier and walked across the water.
from a poolside angle i looked like jesus walking across the pool with a huge penis.
my bitch ex girlfriend is now witholding the picture just because i fucked her little sister.
what a cunt.
seriously.
tighter than a snare drum.
of course she's nine.
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-03-25 18:07:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Banjo (user info) at 2008-03-25 17:53:16 EDT (#)
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Ok, so I've just lost 15 minutes of my life I aint ever getting back doing something completely meaningless. Its like changing the controls in a computer game when you're used to using one set, it takes a little bit of time - what a croc of shit.
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I knew it wouldn't take long for this comment.
1) after you take the test, one of the things it tells you is that it couldn't be the order of the stimuli because they are switched back and forth to keep you from getting used to it -- and you dont have a problem getting used to it until you have to associate black with good.
2) I thought, even after reading that, the same thing you did. I could have sworn that was why I did so badly. But I took the test three more times and got the same score, even with knowing what I was going to have to do.
3) to quote the book: "'I had a student who took the IAT every day," Banaji says. 'It was the first thing he did, and it was his idea to just let the data gather as he went. Then one day, he got a positive association with blacks. "That's odd, I've never gotten that before," because we've all tried to change our IAT score and we couldn't. But he's a track-and-field guy, and what he realized was that he'd spent the morning watching the Olympics.'"
Submitted by haikumikoo (user info) at 2008-03-25 18:04:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Ejryuu (user info) at 2008-03-25 14:59:16 PDT (#)
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I saw a little bit of a point to the test, but not much validity in the method(s?) used. I think that test WANTS people to be racist and isn't quite as unbiased as it proclaims to be.
Black power.
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Definitely, that's done by making the switch from African American/Good and European American/Bad to African American/Bad and European American/Good last instead of the other way around. Mistakes made from the switch are automatically attributed to hating darkies, but if they had started with Darkies/Bad, Whitey/Good, and switched to Darkies/Awesome, Whitey/Devil I wonder what my results would have been.
Submitted by Banjo (user info) at 2008-03-25 18:04:35 EDT (#)
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I thought Harvard was supposed to have clever people in it? If I ever go nuts (a likely probability) remind me never to have faith in that crowd of self proclaimed geniuses (aka fucking fagwit timewasters). I wonder who got doctorates coming up with that pish and how many pointless years it took...
I have lost all faith (I had very little in the first place) in brain doctors and their ability to fix my head if it all goes wrong. I'll settle for pencils up my nose and underpants over my head thanks.
Submitted by SkullBiter (user info) at 2008-03-25 18:04:13 EDT (#)
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Your data suggest a strong automatic preference for European American compared to African American.
Damn it. I have a good fucking reason for hating Bill Cosby.
Submitted by haikumikoo (user info) at 2008-03-25 18:01:13 EDT (#)
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P.S. - It was also inherently obvious how they were going to use my answers to score my test, which I tried to ignore as best I could, but could have skewed the results a bit.
But if they were skewed, why did I love whitey so much?
DUN DUN DUUUN
Submitted by Ejryuu (user info) at 2008-03-25 17:59:16 EDT (#)
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I saw a little bit of a point to the test, but not much validity in the method(s?) used. I think that test WANTS people to be racist and isn't quite as unbiased as it proclaims to be.
Black power.
Submitted by haikumikoo (user info) at 2008-03-25 17:58:35 EDT (#)
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Didn't read your poem, anyways:
I tested "Moderate preference for Honkeys", which I found interesting, as my biological Mother was a huge cunt, and growing up one of my "Motherly" figures who helped raise me was a kind old black woman. It seems that people are drawn to their own likeness, though, which could kind of skew these results, mildly interesting nonetheless.
What I found funny, was that when I was attributing one of the "bad" words to it's respective side, my inner dialog actually said, "black", and I felt kind of bad.
But not too much.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-03-25 17:56:29 EDT (#)
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Reviewing all the idiotic machinations
which made up the wordy mess on my page,
resulted in a silent onslaught of mutual beration.
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Sweet poem too, eh.
Seems to me you might want to drop the 's' in machinations - I just think its unnecessary.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-03-25 17:53:28 EDT (#)
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I think we are all racist to some degree.
Submitted by Banjo (user info) at 2008-03-25 17:53:16 EDT (#)
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Ok, so I've just lost 15 minutes of my life I aint ever getting back doing something completely meaningless. Its like changing the controls in a computer game when you're used to using one set, it takes a little bit of time - what a croc of shit.
Good post though but you owe me 15 minutes!
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-03-25 17:36:21 EDT (#)
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oh baby, those are the magic words!
Submitted by sicosemen (user info) at 2008-03-25 17:29:53 EDT (#)
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Let's manfuck.
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-03-25 17:23:17 EDT (#)
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oh by the way, i dont need you to tell me i am a terrible poet; i already know that. tell me why it sucks so i can fix it up.
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-03-25 17:21:13 EDT (#)
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auto poetry -2