Why does an extended primary hurt the democrats? (1361 hits)
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Submitted by Razor <Jeremy_21117.at.hotmail.com> (View user info) at 2008-04-22 14:39:49 EDT
People keep saying that this protracted nomination fight is hurting the Dems.
I just don't get it. From everything I can see, it's actually been terribly beneficial.
First of all, the democrats get 98% of all the news coverage. People have been treating this primary, from a news perspective, like it is a general election. John McCain rarely even makes the news at this point, except when there's some sort of gaffe or general political question mark like him taking public funding.
Secondly, in every state the Democrats are adding hundreds of thousands of voters to the rolls. Now, I know there are a few "Limbaughites" who voted Dem for shits and giggles, but that's not what I'm talking about. I mean literally hundreds of thousands of people registering as democrats across the board. That could be enough to tip some states and could make a difference in the electoral college.
Finally, Obama, the likely winner, is getting vetted by Hillary Clinton. Frankly, I wouldn't want Obama to have cruised through the primaries with no resistance, because he *was* something of an untested politician on the national scale. Now, we're getting to see how he reacts to Swift Boatesque attacks, how he reacts to controversies, and so on, *before* he has secured the nomination.
Where's the problem here? Do you really think that the Democrats will feel so "fractured" that they will stay at home and let the Republicans have another four years in the white house? Somehow I have a hard time believing that, just as I have a hard time that ultraconservatives won't come out and vote for McCain, because their other choice will likely be Obama.
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Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2008-05-07 01:13:56 EDT (#)
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/06/new.voters.ap/index.html
Submitted by Nietzsche (user info) at 2008-04-24 12:26:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-04-23 16:37:34 EDT (#)
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The choir are not going to be affected by the extra exposure - people who enjoy what it is they are putting down will continue to support them even if they find the back and forth boring and redundant.
Republicans and undecided voters will inevitably tire of the additional coverage and continue to tune out the democratic rhetoric. This allows the focussed, simplistic, and easy-to-digest messaging of the Republican machine to work it's magic and the same bullshit cycles itself again and again.
PS - Vote Obama motherfuckers.
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Obama and Clinton are letting their ego's take precedence over the good of the party and what they see as the good of the country.
Submitted by HotWillie (user info) at 2008-04-23 18:01:31 EDT (#)
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it behooves hillary to blow up the democratic party because it's the only way for her to get the nomination and even if she fails it may weaken obama and help mccain get elected, which is what she wants if obama is the nominee
running against a 76 year year old mccain (or his vp) in 4 years is a lot better than the other scenarios, i.e., running against an incumbent of her own party (pres obama) or waiting until 2016 when she will be 68 years old
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-04-23 16:37:34 EDT (#)
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The choir are not going to be affected by the extra exposure - people who enjoy what it is they are putting down will continue to support them even if they find the back and forth boring and redundant.
Republicans and undecided voters will inevitably tire of the additional coverage and continue to tune out the democratic rhetoric. This allows the focussed, simplistic, and easy-to-digest messaging of the Republican machine to work it's magic and the same bullshit cycles itself again and again.
PS - Vote Obama motherfuckers.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2008-04-23 16:34:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-04-23 16:03:30 EDT (#)
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stfu, ubercon whore.
i bet you slept with more people than urbane did.
btw, did you fuck her?
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I still am, and now we're pregnant!
Submitted by haikumikoo (user info) at 2008-04-23 16:32:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-04-23 11:23:24 PDT (#)
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Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2008-04-23 10:59:41 EDT (#)
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Well then tell me how you're discriminated against. Are you? Where? What happened?
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In addition to the example I gave in my comment, I can give you several more that have occured to me personally. Note: as with all things, these things all turned out for the best so I am not angry about them; only mindful that they occured...
-Was not hired out of college by Kimberly Clark when they hired several women who were significantly less qualified than was I (grades, overall and related work experience, etc). This is because of that companies' openly stated sexist policy of hiring a disproportionate (compared to the graduating percentages by gender) number of female Engineers.
-Have been told on more than one occassion that I moved upward through the ranks of the places where I work faster than other people because I am a white male despite my being personable, capable, and able to prove and demonstrate my value to the companies employeeing me. Those making these statements were all women whose work was marginal at best.
-Was told by the leadership of the Society of Women Engineers (SWE) that I could not assist with a college project they were sponsoring because thay wanted only women working on it, despite that I had experience in the very technology they were using, owned the tools they would need co construct the project, and was an active member of SWE at the time (and no, I didn't join SWE to meet smart chicks).
-Have been told that the vandalism done to my car shouldn't bother me because I'm a rich white guy (words offered by the old black guy working security at the lot my car was parked in when it was vandalized)
I've got more. To be fair, I should say that MLW is an Engineer and she works in an office of mostly men over 55 years old. I her her saying whay you're saying and, again, I don't doubt it occurs. Believe it or not, it occurs to white males, too.
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Every kind of prejudice is unfortunate, but I think the relative scale of how severely one is actually affected by it is totally different for us white males.
Submitted by haikumikoo (user info) at 2008-04-23 16:26:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-04-23 07:54:02 PDT (#)
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If you don't like being 'kept down by the white man' where you work, use your minority status to get a preferred-rate govenment-backed small business loan and start your own company. I would consider doing that same thing, but as a white male I'm just not eligible for such preferential treatment.
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From the many comments you've made about the very nice things that you own (not here, but I definitely recall seeing a decent number of them), something tells me that you simply do not need such preferential treatment.
I don't claim to know, but I would imagine that there is some kind of low income requirement (similar to affordable housing), and that it isn't strictly based on race, anyway.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-04-23 16:03:30 EDT (#)
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stfu, ubercon whore.
i bet you slept with more people than urbane did.
btw, did you fuck her?
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2008-04-23 15:36:56 EDT (#)
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both of you sluts, stay the fuck away from my man
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-04-23 15:24:59 EDT (#)
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i know. we dated.
Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2008-04-23 15:21:51 EDT (#)
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I'm fine...why wouldn't I be?
And Donkey is the bestest husband a woman could ever ask for.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-04-23 15:08:47 EDT (#)
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seriously, are you hurt?
is donkey a good husband?
tell me, i'm uber's dr.phil.
Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2008-04-23 15:02:24 EDT (#)
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Good idea. Here's a tip - the richer they are, the more other people will get their hate on too.
It's infectious!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-04-23 14:57:43 EDT (#)
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actually, we're too busy listnening to the world's complaints.
fortunately, i am part of a minority, therefor an automatic victim, so i can deflect some towards WASP males.
Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2008-04-23 14:55:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-04-23 14:53:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2008-04-23 14:51:05 EDT (#)
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It's all really rather disheartening when you're on the receiving end.
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not if you're a white man. it never happens.
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You're right. You're too busy grabbing women's asses and oppressing black people to be discriminated against. That shit fills up a calendar pretty fast.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-04-23 14:53:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2008-04-23 14:51:05 EDT (#)
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It's all really rather disheartening when you're on the receiving end.
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not if you're a white man. it never happens.
Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2008-04-23 14:51:05 EDT (#)
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Thanks for answering my question, skrap. I know that educational institutions are pretty bad when it comes to the equal opportunity thing. I've heard a lot of complaints about their hiring practices.
Honestly, I think it's unfortunate that you had to experience that kind of crap. It's all really rather disheartening when you're on the receiving end.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-04-23 14:48:12 EDT (#)
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o_O
i have a lot of free time on my hand.
great argument though
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Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2008-04-23 14:43:50 EDT (#)
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
It's obvious that I really got to you, huh?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-04-23 14:39:01 EDT (#)
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*don't blame white men
OMFG! LAPSUS! I'M SEXIST! :-O
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-04-23 14:38:31 EDT (#)
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oh and all those examples below hurt my 'career' to different levels.
c'est la vie.
if life gives you lemmon, don't blame women, make lemmonade and PARTAY!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-04-23 14:36:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2008-04-23 11:10:27 EDT (#)
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You're telling me not to blame men for things but men often blame things on women. The sex comment was an example of that type of thinking. """
>> So you're defending yourself by using fucktards as an example? Good thinking.
If you're trying to say that I'm a victim, or that I'm victimizing myself, you're incorrect. I have actual incidents where I'm drawing my opinion from. It's not things I read, it's not things I heard about, it's actual things that happened to me."""
>> Unfair things to anyone. You don't need to be a woman for them to happen. If it wouldn't be that, it would be something else. I don't see how your anecdotes gives you any right to say that white males have a free pass.
I didn't even realize that sexism was still prevalent in the workplace until about 3 years ago when I got promoted and sorry to say, had to work with white men. All of my bosses up until that point were female so I never had this issue until then."""
>> Isn't it ironic? "All of my bosses were female..." Doesn't sound like afghanistan to me. Truth is, there are idiots everywhere. It doesn't have anything to do with white men in particular. in fact, if those idiots had certain religious backgrounds we all know, rest assure their dumbassery would've been exponential.
It has nothing to do with reason for me. It has to do with cold, hard facts that people still don't want to accept. It's not a perversion of my mind or anything of the sort. I'm pretty sure that when you tell a man that you have a problem with an assignment he's given you and he suggests that you only feel that way because you have your period, I would say that's being pretty fucking blatant."""
>> I had insecure women get pissed at me because they thought I was an "arrogant pretty boy" just because I'm relatively shy and ignored them. OMG! SEXISM! I had old fucktards say "I was too young to understand". OMG! AGISM! I've had anglophones snicker at my accent in english-speaking meetings! OMG! LANGUISM! Some people were told about my salary and bickered over it. OMFG! CLASSISM! RELIGIONISM! I've even seen co-workers get really pissed because I came from another city (no less) OH DEAR! CITY-ISM! Some guy openly hates me because I've corrected it him on a few facts he had wrong about things in general! OBSCURANTISM! Some guys I work with think I'm stupid because I go to the gym...THE LIST GOES ON!
Point is, stop acting like your gender gives you a special capital of sympathy and that we white males have it easy. There's always someone to judge you based on anything.
why the fuck am i even explaining this? are you fucking 4?
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-04-23 14:23:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2008-04-23 10:59:41 EDT (#)
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Well then tell me how you're discriminated against. Are you? Where? What happened?
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In addition to the example I gave in my comment, I can give you several more that have occured to me personally. Note: as with all things, these things all turned out for the best so I am not angry about them; only mindful that they occured...
-Was not hired out of college by Kimberly Clark when they hired several women who were significantly less qualified than was I (grades, overall and related work experience, etc). This is because of that companies' openly stated sexist policy of hiring a disproportionate (compared to the graduating percentages by gender) number of female Engineers.
-Have been told on more than one occassion that I moved upward through the ranks of the places where I work faster than other people because I am a white male despite my being personable, capable, and able to prove and demonstrate my value to the companies employeeing me. Those making these statements were all women whose work was marginal at best.
-Was told by the leadership of the Society of Women Engineers (SWE) that I could not assist with a college project they were sponsoring because thay wanted only women working on it, despite that I had experience in the very technology they were using, owned the tools they would need co construct the project, and was an active member of SWE at the time (and no, I didn't join SWE to meet smart chicks).
-Have been told that the vandalism done to my car shouldn't bother me because I'm a rich white guy (words offered by the old black guy working security at the lot my car was parked in when it was vandalized)
I've got more. To be fair, I should say that MLW is an Engineer and she works in an office of mostly men over 55 years old. I her her saying whay you're saying and, again, I don't doubt it occurs. Believe it or not, it occurs to white males, too.
Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2008-04-23 13:46:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-04-23 11:25:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2008-04-23 11:10:27 EDT (#)
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So are you saying that men should stop blaming women when we don't want to fuck them? """
LOL, what the FUCK does this have to do with anything? you seem to speak of experience. sex is often an issue between men and women. i'm sorry you didn't have a relationship with decent communication.
The fact is that there is a huge despairity between white men and women and any minority you can think of. I'm not making it up. It's a fact. I know white men are discriminated against but it's certainly not on the level that a woman or minority has to deal with. """
yeah, let's put on a scale who gets the most discrimated against. i'm sorry, i just hate people who quantify those things. doing this automatically puts focus on a group and leaves others unintended. what about pretty people who statiscally have more success? shouldn't you be an 'uglist'?
thing is, people ought to be taught how to reason properly and not have basic fallacious reasonings to fight all discrimination instead of peverting their brains into thinking that they are oppressors or victims by default.
when you understand that, you will understand a lot of things.
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You're telling me not to blame men for things but men often blame things on women. The sex comment was an example of that type of thinking.
If you're trying to say that I'm a victim, or that I'm victimizing myself, you're incorrect. I have actual incidents where I'm drawing my opinion from. It's not things I read, it's not things I heard about, it's actual things that happened to me. I didn't even realize that sexism was still prevalent in the workplace until about 3 years ago when I got promoted and sorry to say, had to work with white men. All of my bosses up until that point were female so I never had this issue until then.
It has nothing to do with reason for me. It has to do with cold, hard facts that people still don't want to accept. It's not a perversion of my mind or anything of the sort. I'm pretty sure that when you tell a man that you have a problem with an assignment he's given you and he suggests that you only feel that way because you have your period, I would say that's being pretty fucking blatant.
So, when you understand that, you'll understand a lot of things.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-04-23 12:14:55 EDT (#)
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You're too smart to be hanging around here. Here's a better site for you: http://icanhascheezburger.com
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2008-04-23 12:08:30 EDT (#)
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WHAT A GAME 7 IN SAN JOSE!
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-04-23 11:26:32 EDT (#)
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I like big butts
I can not lie.
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Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2008-04-23 11:10:27 EDT (#)
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So are you saying that men should stop blaming women when we don't want to fuck them? """
LOL, what the FUCK does this have to do with anything? you seem to speak of experience. sex is often an issue between men and women. i'm sorry you didn't have a relationship with decent communication.
The fact is that there is a huge despairity between white men and women and any minority you can think of. I'm not making it up. It's a fact. I know white men are discriminated against but it's certainly not on the level that a woman or minority has to deal with. """
yeah, let's put on a scale who gets the most discrimated against. i'm sorry, i just hate people who quantify those things. doing this automatically puts focus on a group and leaves others unintended. what about pretty people who statiscally have more success? shouldn't you be an 'uglist'?
thing is, people ought to be taught how to reason properly and not have basic fallacious reasonings to fight all discrimination instead of peverting their brains into thinking that they are oppressors or victims by default.
when you understand that, you will understand a lot of things.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-04-23 11:14:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2008-04-23 10:59:53 EDT (#)
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I'm absolutely with you in principle, it's the label only that I tend to distance myself from for the same reason.
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'feminism' is just anoter subcategory of humanism.
it's really quite useless now in western society. pretty much every male that isn't a neanderthal or woman that isn't a submissive idiot is a feminist by defenition. problem is that its meaning gets twisted and it has becomes a vector for attacks on another group, males in this occurence.
mysandry is as rampant as misogyny nowadays.
most of these debates pretty much boil down to little boys and girls attacking each others because they've been hurt at some point.
Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2008-04-23 11:10:27 EDT (#)
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Don't assume that I'm angry. I'm not. I'm just smart enough to know bullshit when it's being fed to me. So are you saying that men should stop blaming women when we don't want to fuck them?
The fact is that there is a huge despairity between white men and women and any minority you can think of. I'm not making it up. It's a fact. I know white men are discriminated against but it's certainly not on the level that a woman or minority has to deal with.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-04-23 11:03:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2008-04-23 10:59:41 EDT (#)
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Well then tell me how you're discriminated against. Are you? Where? What happened?
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some white males are discriminated against simply because they are white males...mostly by angry women, like you.
others are discriminated against because they fat, ugly, have a big nose, are ginger...some will even get discriminated against because they look good, are rich and have success.
there's always a reason for discrimination. life is a schoolyard. get over it and stop blaming one group.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-04-23 11:00:44 EDT (#)
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skapmetal...people always need someone to blame for their shortcomings.
*thanks god he's a minority and shakes fist at anglophones*
Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2008-04-23 10:59:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2008-04-23 10:48:56 EDT (#)
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You know, I didn't identify with being a feminist for a long time, just because of the stereotype that it's a lot of women wielding knives and broken coke bottles looking for a man to castrate. It's not really like that...it's more of...women should have the same opportunities that men do. If anything, it's made me more aware of a subtler sexism that still permeates our society.
I don't view other women as my sisters, nor do I attend Lilith Fair concerts, nor do I hate men.
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I'm absolutely with you in principle, it's the label only that I tend to distance myself from for the same reason. I get the same discriminatory comments simply because I'm a huge Tori Amos fan. Because I often point out subtler examples of sexism or make it a topic of conversation, sometimes it's assumed that I'm overly sensitive or a man hater. That's ridiculous.
Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2008-04-23 10:59:41 EDT (#)
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Well then tell me how you're discriminated against. Are you? Where? What happened?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-04-23 10:57:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2008-04-23 09:43:07 EDT (#)
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I'm sure any person who isn't a white male will say they're discriminated against in some way, whether for their sex or their race.
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Us white males are starting to feel like donkeys with all that guilt we're required to carry on our back.
Could you please stop blaming us, please?
Thanks, idiot.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-04-23 10:54:02 EDT (#)
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Pentameter, I e-like you and I do not doubt you've had to put up with sexism but your "...everyone who isn't a white male..." comment is ignorant. It is understandably so, because white males don't make a lot of noise about suffering discrimination so you wouldn't know it goes on. But it does. I'm tired of taking the blame for attitudes that may have been prevalent before I was born.
If you don't like being 'kept down by the white man' where you work, use your minority status to get a preferred-rate govenment-backed small business loan and start your own company. I would consider doing that same thing, but as a white male I'm just not eligible for such preferential treatment.
Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2008-04-23 10:48:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2008-04-23 10:30:47 EDT (#)
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VERY well said, Pent.
I don't identify as a feminist per se, but what you said about sexism is absolutely true.
We didn't expect Obama to win PA, but it was closer than many thought it would be, and I'm proud to say he won my county, if only by 2 points.
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You know, I didn't identify with being a feminist for a long time, just because of the stereotype that it's a lot of women wielding knives and broken coke bottles looking for a man to castrate. It's not really like that...it's more of...women should have the same opportunities that men do. If anything, it's made me more aware of a subtler sexism that still permeates our society.
I don't view other women as my sisters, nor do I attend Lilith Fair concerts, nor do I hate men.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-04-23 10:43:56 EDT (#)
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blitzkrieg bob is a labelist.
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Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2008-04-22 20:46:24 CDT (#)
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Obama is a radical.
Clinton is a socialist.
McCain is Bob Dole Jr.
I voted for Ron Paul Today.
Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2008-04-23 10:30:47 EDT (#)
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VERY well said, Pent.
I don't identify as a feminist per se, but what you said about sexism is absolutely true.
We didn't expect Obama to win PA, but it was closer than many thought it would be, and I'm proud to say he won my county, if only by 2 points.
Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2008-04-23 09:43:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2008-04-22 21:46:24 EDT (#)
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Take a look at the two Democratic candidates. They both represent the two angriest factions in their Party: the feminists and the urban blacks. One of those groups will be soon alienated, and there will be fallout.
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Hillary Clinton actually does poorly amongst young, women feminist voters. I don't think that the Democratic party is split the way you think it is. I didn't vote for Hillary and I consider myself a feminist. She's more popular amongst middle-aged women voters because they identify with her - they too grew up in a time when women were still being told the only things they were good for were babies and making pies. They went out into a white male dominated workforce and put up with a lot of shit to be there. Even though my generation still has to put up with a lot of sexist shit, we don't have it nearly as hard as they did.
I don't identify with her. I view her as a complete pushover, a woman whose husband has betrayed her multiple times, a woman who threw herself away for a man. I view her as John McCain with a vagina. I view her as a liar. And even though I don't like her, I do believe that the media presented her in a very sexist way, pointing out her "cackle" laugh, scrutinizing her clothing choices and a myriad of other things.
And that's a load of bullshit.
If any American believes that sexism and racism aren't issues, they're absolutely blind. I deal with sexism every day at work, and I'm sure any person who isn't a white male will say they're discriminated against in some way, whether for their sex or their race.
The bottom line is that Obama stands for something appealing, and that thing is change. It's the idea that we need to stop doing things the same old way with the same old people. We need new blood, new ideas and a new outlook that's focused on us instead of the rest of the world. I think Obama would be a great representative for the United States as opposed to the same people, different names.
Not everyone who goes to the polls has a chip on their shoulder or a grudge. Not every voter has an agenda. And not every voter can be pigeonholed and stuffed under a label.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-04-23 08:35:06 EDT (#)
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I"m voting for Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho, porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion
Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2008-04-23 08:27:43 EDT (#)
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You know, it's possible that given a super extended primary, McCain might die of old age before the Democrats make a decision.
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2008-04-23 01:57:42 EDT (#)
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I think saying that this gives Republicans more "time to prepare" is wrong because a semi-final between Clinton and Obama is better preparation than whatever it is the Republicans are doing waiting for the winner.
This isn't hockey. It's not as though going to game seven is going to make Obama or Clinton tired when they play the next round.
Although that would probably make McCain too tired to run, his being one thousand and all, but that's besides the point.
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2008-04-23 01:53:52 EDT (#)
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Barack Obama is half-white and went to a private school in Hawaii. I don't think he QUITE constitutes an angry urban black.
Also, while bashing feminists is all fine and good (they're an ideological group), bashing "urban blacks" is bashing a group defined by race and geography. Not fair.
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2008-04-23 01:52:00 EDT (#)
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Makes perfect sense.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-04-23 00:02:34 EDT (#)
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5) Take a look at the two Democratic candidates. They both represent the two angriest factions in their Party: the feminists and the urban blacks. One of those groups will be soon alienated, and there will be fallout.
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Is what I'm talking about, only better said here.
Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2008-04-22 22:14:19 EDT (#)
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I'm just so happy that there isn't a single candidate (between the three of em) that i despise.
Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2008-04-22 22:08:34 EDT (#)
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Hilary won PA :(
but GO FLYERS WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2008-04-22 21:50:13 EDT (#)
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That reply is good for 20 more reviews here.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2008-04-22 21:46:24 EDT (#)
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Here's why:
1) Obama & Clinton are going to spend millions and millions to bloody each other in the next month or two. The more they spend, the less they have in the bank come October.
2) The way that the mainstream media is attacking a Democrat, whether the media outlet be for Obama or Clinton is glorious. The media only typically attacks Republicans. One of them are going to lose, and that media source that is on the losing side is going to be shitlisted.
3) There is an actual Republican strategy to encourage voters of either party to vote for the weaker Democrat candidate. Frankly, I don't get it, but...maybe, the best way for the Republicans to succeed is to let the Democrats put their money where their mouth is.
4) There are actual Republicans who crossed over and have gotten themselves elected as delegates to the DNC. These people are intending on causing havoc in Denver.
5) Take a look at the two Democratic candidates. They both represent the two angriest factions in their Party: the feminists and the urban blacks. One of those groups will be soon alienated, and there will be fallout.
Obama is a radical.
Clinton is a socialist.
McCain is Bob Dole Jr.
I voted for Ron Paul Today.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-04-22 20:04:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by shadow (user info) at 2008-04-22 17:00:26 EDT (#)
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Vote K'thulu.
Why choose the lesser of two evils?
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HA!
Submitted by Wildman (user info) at 2008-04-22 19:42:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2008-04-22 18:14:38 EDT (#)
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One can only hope for McCain that given your amazing powers of Oratory and the ability to make your case in such a succinct and inarguable fashion that you are engaged in his campaign somewhere at a high level, perhaps as a speechwriter or strategist.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
and waste it, and my time, in a shit-hole like this?
no thanks
Submitted by X54 (user info) at 2008-04-22 18:42:07 EDT (#)
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You've got to hand it to Hillary: she is one tenacious bitch. Sort of like Glenn Close in "Fatal Attraction."
Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2008-04-22 18:14:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Wildman (user info) at 2008-04-22 17:58:08 EDT (#)
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It's going to be McCain, so deal with it.
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One can only hope for McCain that given your amazing powers of Oratory and the ability to make your case in such a succinct and inarguable fashion that you are engaged in his campaign somewhere at a high level, perhaps as a speechwriter or strategist.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2008-04-22 17:58:37 EDT (#)
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agree 100%
Submitted by Wildman (user info) at 2008-04-22 17:58:08 EDT (#)
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It's going to be McCain, so deal with it.
Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2008-04-22 17:47:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2008-04-22 16:39:09 EDT (#)
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Watching them bicker across the nation is sort of annoying. Particularly as they keep hitting on the hot-button topics (I don't care whether or not Clinton dodged gunfire or Obama solutes the flag during the national anthem), and don't spend nearly as much time on meat and potatoe topics like, I dunno, impending stagnation in the economy or our reliance on a cess pool like China.
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Have you spent any time listening to Obama? He has been hammering on the issues constantly throughout the campaign and has invented (I think he invented it) the term "politics of distraction" to categorize exactly what you're talking about.
Submitted by MyTeeOne (user info) at 2008-04-22 17:31:20 EDT (#)
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The long race is hurting the dems. Hillary and Obama are still trying to win the nomination. Meanwhile McCain is already planning/preparing for his campiagn. The Democratic nominee will be months behind McCain.
Submitted by PepsiCoke (user info) at 2008-04-22 17:19:40 EDT (#)
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Nader
Submitted by shadow (user info) at 2008-04-22 17:00:26 EDT (#)
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Vote K'thulu.
Why choose the lesser of two evils?
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2008-04-22 16:39:09 EDT (#)
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Watching them bicker across the nation is sort of annoying. Particularly as they keep hitting on the hot-button topics (I don't care whether or not Clinton dodged gunfire or Obama solutes the flag during the national anthem), and don't spend nearly as much time on meat and potatoe topics like, I dunno, impending stagnation in the economy or our reliance on a cess pool like China.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-04-22 15:41:43 EDT (#)
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The last panel of this
http://www.xkcd.com/335/
sort of reminds me of the Dem primary race.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-04-22 15:35:57 EDT (#)
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nuclear war kills people. only lizard mutates. watch godzilla, best movie of all time.
i spam this post.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-04-22 15:33:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-04-22 15:31:36 EDT (#)
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u.s. elections, terrorism, school shootings, recession looming, outsourcing blah blah blah
it's all the fucking same all the time. all those news are getting boring.
the world needs a nuclear war.
and more hockey.
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Only if nuclear war creates more mutants and hockey gets more fights.
Otherwise, you know, it is just the same old crap.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-04-22 15:31:36 EDT (#)
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u.s. elections, terrorism, school shootings, recession looming, outsourcing blah blah blah
it's all the fucking same all the time. all those news are getting boring.
the world needs a nuclear war.
and more hockey.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-04-22 15:31:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-04-22 15:18:16 EDT (#)
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So, they will be faced with the decision: Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama.
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Clinton with Obama will hurt his chances. A significant portion of his backing comes from people who are sick of "washington" insiders, partnering with clinton will take that away as well as pull some of the rabid clinton haters who would otherwise vote for him.
Submitted by Orgasmatron (user info) at 2008-04-22 15:31:17 EDT (#)
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...because it costs them precious Joo Gold. Obviously.
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2008-04-22 15:27:30 EDT (#)
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Vote Cobra Commander and Destro!
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-04-22 15:23:56 EDT (#)
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Because they are putting more and more dirt out about each other while McCain is getting no negative attention.
Unfortunately people who normally win do so because there is less bad shit out there about them, not because there is more good shit.
Plus no matter who wins people are going to feel like they have been on the news forever and they will be sick of them.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-04-22 15:18:16 EDT (#)
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Dems get the vast majority of media coverage in the US regardless of the timing of the primaries - it's a liberal press in the US and there's no disguising it. Both Obama and Clinton *are* untested politicians. Together they have less than seven years actual national political office experience. It may be worth noting that the current President has more time as President than that.
I've said before that I wouldn't want brain surgery performed on me by a completely inexperienced surgeon or by someone who was simply married to an experienced surgeon, and the office of President rates higher in Number of People Affected by Fuckups than does that of Doctor.
Dems are keeping themselves in the spotlight as usual. They are registering more voters as the primaries drag on but if the Dems expect to win the Presidency, Obama and Clinton must be on the same ticket. To have one running as an independant will split the vote too deeply. So, they will be faced with the decision: Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama. And some voting Americans who haven't made themselves fully aware of the candidate selection process will read the results of that decision to reflect whether the Dems consider the white woman subordinate to the black man or vice versa. It may piss a few people off.
As a registered Republican, I am watching the Dem primaries with great interest.
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2008-04-22 15:18:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2008-04-22 15:17:19 EDT (#)
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It's just some more television sound bites that I choose to ignore before I go to the polls in November and vote for myself for President.
Because it doesn't make a goddamn bit of difference who's in the White House. This country will still be a fucking disaster-a-thon.
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Do I just write in "Shlongy for Emporer"?
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2008-04-22 15:17:59 EDT (#)
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I'm Mediterranean, GODAMMIT
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2008-04-22 15:17:19 EDT (#)
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It's just some more television sound bites that I choose to ignore before I go to the polls in November and vote for myself for President.
Because it doesn't make a goddamn bit of difference who's in the White House. This country will still be a fucking disaster-a-thon.
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2008-04-22 15:17:14 EDT (#)
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Short Answer: They are spending money on the primaries instead of the general election.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-04-22 15:15:14 EDT (#)
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at least my skin is white, you turkish scum
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2008-04-22 15:14:09 EDT (#)
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lol it's "opinionated", looks like english isn't your first language, eh, stupid foreigner?!?!?!?!?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-04-22 15:12:27 EDT (#)
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i know. and i was just using another opportunity to run my opiniated mouth.
Submitted by Lib (user info) at 2008-04-22 15:11:41 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2008-04-22 15:11:32 EDT (#)
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I was being facetious, I don't give a shit what you say or what words you use, I just thought it was funny that they actually had a ceremony for a "word"
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-04-22 15:11:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2008-04-22 15:08:57 EDT (#)
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America is a corrupt corporate whore of a country.
Fuck America
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http://www.thechestore.com
Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2008-04-22 15:08:57 EDT (#)
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America is a corrupt corporate whore of a country.
Fuck America; I don't care what happens to it.
(I'll not open any more posts on the American election).
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-04-22 15:08:13 EDT (#)
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negroes aren't too smart. they should know that negritude is part of their literature, culture and was something their ancestors were actually proud of.
i don'T understand. nigger/negro is a designation of race whether "black" designates color. i happen to think the latter is more offensive and superficial. nigger is an offensive word only in recent history.
perhaps if they didn't sell their computer and books for crack, they would know this.
besides, you give the meaning you want to words.
people call us frogs, pepsis, peppers, white niggers, peasoups...etc...who cares? a word is not the freaking Holocaust.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2008-04-22 15:02:20 EDT (#)
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I take offense to the N word, and besides, it's been banned, black people had a burial ceremony for it and everything, please stop using it, k thx
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-04-30-n-word-funeral_N.htm
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-04-22 14:59:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-04-22 14:56:44 EDT (#)
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but that's not the question I asked....specifically why Obama, not why Obama over anyone else just why Obama?
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the same question could be asked about the other two.
your question implies that the nigger has less substance.
you should ask the same thing for all three.
*fails to give a shit*
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-04-22 14:56:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-04-22 14:52:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-04-22 14:49:10 EDT (#)
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why would people vote for Obama?
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why not? i mean compared the other two.
(i'm canadian so idk...just curious)
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but that's not the question I asked....specifically why Obama, not why Obama over anyone else just why Obama?
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2008-04-22 14:54:59 EDT (#)
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No, just like us, except they're better at it and have made a career out of it
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-04-22 14:53:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2008-04-22 14:49:22 EDT (#)
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You give politicians way too much credit, they're all gossipy, childish shitheads who can't see the forest for the trees
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Unlike us...
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-04-22 14:52:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-04-22 14:49:10 EDT (#)
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why would people vote for Obama?
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why not? i mean compared the other two.
(i'm canadian so idk...just curious)
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2008-04-22 14:51:12 EDT (#)
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http://www.sourpatch.org
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-04-22 14:50:57 EDT (#)
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just declare the Bushes a monarchy and make Barbara Empress Of The Continent.
she's kinda hot.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2008-04-22 14:50:10 EDT (#)
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P.S. Give me your bag of Jew gold, and not the fake bag either
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2008-04-22 14:49:22 EDT (#)
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You give politicians way too much credit, they're all gossipy, childish shitheads who can't see the forest for the trees
Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2008-04-22 14:49:17 EDT (#)
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I agree.
I think that the constant fighting and bitching back and forth have been hugely benificial to which ever candidate wins the nomination. When the dems face the republicans in the general election 90% of the non-issue bullshit like the flag lapel pin will have all been used up.
Maybe we're seeing some sort of new strategy by the democratic party?
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-04-22 14:49:10 EDT (#)
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why would people vote for Obama?
Submitted by shadow (user info) at 2008-04-22 14:48:13 EDT (#)
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I'm so far behind on my presidential research... I'm not an informed voter at the moment, not even a little bit.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2008-04-22 14:48:12 EDT (#)
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It's tearing the democratic party in half, that's what it's doing; instead of working together, they're fighting amongst themselves, distracting them from doing what they SHOULD be doing, which is preparing to back whoever wins to go head to head with McCain. This gives the Republicans a distinct advantage in this whole situation by giving them plenty of time to prepare for the election, that's what's wrong with it. When the time comes, there's going to be so much infighting and animosity between Democrats because of this shit, that McCain is going to steal this election.