RE: Justifying Vegetarianism (1240 hits)
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Submitted by OathMeal (View user info) at 2008-06-18 13:16:40 EDT
There is absolutely no question that the average person does best health-wise by consuming a mixed diet that is as fresh, and hopefully as unprocessed as possible.
This, from http://www.acu-cell.com/veg.html
If dairy, meat, fish, and poultry are excluded, one may become deficient in vitamin B12(important for nerve transmission and necessary for life), calcium (for strong bones, among other functions), iron (for blood), and zinc (for immunity and healing), just to name a few. As a result, it is what is included, rather than excluded, in our diets that counts.
This, from http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/1548.html?CFID=3192826&CFTOKEN=29991573
Lean red meat is not only a good source of protein and energy, but also has benefits in avoiding heart disease.
This, from http://www.csiro.au/resources/ps8l.html
Some research has shown that having red meat less than twice a week can result in zinc deficiencies.
This, from http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-wellbeing/health-news/is-meat-good-or-bad-for-us-425192.html
...lean red meat is a nutrient dense food which is...perfectly suitable for people who are looking for a healthy balanced diet that helps control their weight.
BUT:
Although some may fear the nutritional hazards of a vegetarian diet, the fact is that vegetarians enjoy greater longevity, better health, and lower risks of cancer and certain chronic diseases. According to the American Dietetic Association (ADA), "Vegetarian diets offer a number of nutritional benefits, including lower levels of saturated fat, cholesterol, and animal protein as well as higher levels of carbohydrates, fiber, magnesium, potassium, folate, and antioxidants such as vitamins C and E and phytochemicals."
This, from http://stanford.wellsphere.com/wellmix360/cons-of-vegetarianism
Though...
No vegetable has all the amino acids that the body doesn't make.
This, from http://www.drgourmet.com/askdrgourmet/vegatarianproscons.shtml
And...
The American Dietetic Association and the Dietitians of Canada have found a properly-planned vegetarian diet to satisfy the nutritional needs for all stages of life, and large-scale studies have shown vegetarianism to significantly lower risks of cancer, ischemic heart disease, and other fatal diseases.
This, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarian
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What do *I* think?
Meat tastes good.
Meat has shit in it I need to build muscle (more amino acid types than ANY veggie out there, creatine, heaps of protein, etc.)
Human beings are omnivores. We always have been.
Show me one successful professional athlete who is a Vegan. They don't exist. If they do, they're probably pro curlers or pro shuffleboard players.
Vegetarians almost always have this kind of strange, often unfounded and ill-contrived theory as to WHY they're vegetarians and often, their arguments are steeped in bullshit factoids writ by patchouli-wearing bloggers who JUST NEED A GOOD STEAK.
Lastly, I can kick everyone's ass and I eat meat. That should tell you something.
All of you 'vegans', 'vegetarians' and other meat-fearing bitches -- please take a shot at solving the below puzzle.
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Submitted by jamix420 (user info) at 2008-06-22 10:29:25 EDT (#)
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You know, you can sponsor a vegetarian...
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sponsor
Submitted by Ballare (user info) at 2008-06-19 17:52:14 EDT (#)
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Dude, the book rocks. Thanks.
Submitted by GangsterSquid (user info) at 2008-06-19 16:10:04 EDT (#)
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forthewin FTW.
Submitted by forthewin (user info) at 2008-06-19 15:56:28 EDT (#)
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Most vegetarians are unhealthy because they eliminate meat from their diets, and yet, still refrain from eating well. Eating well is equally what you do eat and don't eat.
I eat very few things with ingredients, and when I do, the ingredients are always few and good. My diet consists mostly of raw vegetables, fruits, nuts, three eggs a day, and a small amount of fish every day. I eat a lot, and make sure I get more than enough protein, and take creatine in my protein shakes when I get back from the gym, because creatine is the only thing I need that I can't get more than enough of with a vegetarian diet.
I don't get sick, and unless I do too many recreational drugs and or stop sleeping, I always feel good, have never been to a doctor or hospital, and have no health problems.
My girlfriend has been miserably sick and unhealthy her whole life, and started eating almost the same diet as I do (except less carbs), and most of her problems she thought she would always have went away in a short period of time. She also doesn't feel well when she eats meat anymore.
As for people that eat meat, I really don't mind in the slightest, and I'm glad you enjoy it. It doesn't bother me if you bite into a big bloody steak in front of me, and if you want to kill baby seals and eat them, feel free. Now just don't be an asshole and get on my case because I don't want to eat what you do. And saying vegetarians are unhealthy because of the vegetarians that eat badly, is like saying people that eat meat are unhealthy because you all eat McDonald's.
Submitted by haikumikoo (user info) at 2008-06-19 13:52:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-06-18 14:11:11 PDT (#)
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Agreed, we need to eat meat. Look at our teeth, we have cutter AND mulchers... but we need to change the industry so there is less risk of disease for us and less suffering for the animals we feed upon. We CAN do it, we just need the right motivation.
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I want to try some science meat.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-06-19 08:28:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-06-19 06:52:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-06-19 06:32:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by GangsterSquid (user info) at 2008-06-18 16:04:25 EDT (#)
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Noonie:
# Peter Brock (deceased Australian touring car driver) [72]
Car driving is not a sport. Sorry.
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Some great minds disagree. "Auto racing, bull fighting, and mountain climbing are the only real sports... all others are games." - Ernest Hemingway
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Ernest Hemingway was a fucking arsehole.
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Really? I've never met him. Neither, I'll wager, have you. So: objection; hearsay.
Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2008-06-19 08:18:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-06-19 01:11:44 EDT (#)
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Doodles just can't quit, even after he's been pwned.
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Really bubba? I've been 'pwned' even though your entire argument hinges on a word being used incorrectly? Hell your entire argument is a word used in poor context.
I find it hillarious that when you're banned your alter persona is your niece. Not only do you choose to be 'female' but when you've been found out- and let's face it, we all knew it was you by that way you have of just sucknig the fun out of everything- you said you were your own niece.
Do you want to be your niece bubba?
Submitted by Nellypaal (user info) at 2008-06-19 07:23:27 EDT (#)
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Go meat. I'm having steak tonight.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-06-19 06:52:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-06-19 06:32:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by GangsterSquid (user info) at 2008-06-18 16:04:25 EDT (#)
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Noonie:
# Peter Brock (deceased Australian touring car driver) [72]
Car driving is not a sport. Sorry.
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Some great minds disagree. "Auto racing, bull fighting, and mountain climbing are the only real sports... all others are games." - Ernest Hemingway
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Ernest Hemingway was a fucking arsehole.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-06-19 06:32:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by GangsterSquid (user info) at 2008-06-18 16:04:25 EDT (#)
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Noonie:
# Peter Brock (deceased Australian touring car driver) [72]
Car driving is not a sport. Sorry.
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Some great minds disagree. "Auto racing, bull fighting, and mountain climbing are the only real sports... all others are games." - Ernest Hemingway
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-06-19 01:11:44 EDT (#)
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Doodles just can't quit, even after he's been pwned.
Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2008-06-19 00:30:20 EDT (#)
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Vegetarians are unevolved.
Sam Neill says so:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eBhdqrdN4zg
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2008-06-19 00:06:34 EDT (#)
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vegetarians don't eat meat so they can act high and mighty. health has nothing to do with it
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2008-06-18 23:56:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by firefly (user info) at 2008-06-18 22:04:39 EDT (#)
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don't hurt me
Submitted by firefly (user info) at 2008-06-18 22:04:08 EDT (#)
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you have big boobs
Submitted by firefly (user info) at 2008-06-18 22:03:28 EDT (#)
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are you a slut?
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HAHAHA
Uber is actually making me laugh today
Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2008-06-18 22:58:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by earth_collapse (user info) at 2008-06-18 15:12:44 EDT (#)
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Actually Doodles, when one speaks of evolution, it is obvious that they are encompassing the entire genus of "Homo."
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There was no mention of evolution, just millions of years. Unless you meant adapted to mean evolve, but that had to do with the diet and not the 'humans' in question.
Submitted by firefly (user info) at 2008-06-18 22:04:39 EDT (#)
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don't hurt me
Submitted by firefly (user info) at 2008-06-18 22:04:08 EDT (#)
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you have big boobs
Submitted by firefly (user info) at 2008-06-18 22:03:28 EDT (#)
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are you a slut?
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2008-06-18 18:13:28 EDT (#)
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No one gives a fuck, Sparky.
Submitted by Yozz (user info) at 2008-06-18 17:12:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2008-06-18 15:48:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by experima (user info) at 2008-06-18 14:52:14 EDT (#)
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bacon tastes good
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pork chops taste good
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Hey - Sewer rat may taste like punkin' pie but I'd never know 'cause I won't eat the filthy motherfuckers.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-06-18 17:11:11 EDT (#)
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Agreed, we need to eat meat. Look at our teeth, we have cutter AND mulchers... but we need to change the industry so there is less risk of disease for us and less suffering for the animals we feed upon. We CAN do it, we just need the right motivation.
Submitted by GangsterSquid (user info) at 2008-06-18 16:04:25 EDT (#)
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Noonie:
# Peter Brock (deceased Australian touring car driver) [72]
Car driving is not a sport. Sorry.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2008-06-18 16:04:21 EDT (#)
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i'm totally a meateater though.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2008-06-18 16:01:33 EDT (#)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vegans#Athletes
list of vegan athletes.
totally just couldn't help it.
Submitted by Poots (user info) at 2008-06-18 15:56:45 EDT (#)
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my butt won't eat vegetables
Submitted by X54 (user info) at 2008-06-18 15:56:33 EDT (#)
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The picture alone is worth it.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2008-06-18 15:48:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by experima (user info) at 2008-06-18 14:52:14 EDT (#)
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bacon tastes good
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pork chops taste good
Submitted by The_Drake (user info) at 2008-06-18 15:46:19 EDT (#)
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REPENT!
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-06-18 15:43:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by GangsterSquid (user info) at 2008-06-18 20:37:40 BST (#)
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Heh.
Bad timing.
Redskies is probably the furthest away from what is 'pious'.
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fairly true.
Submitted by Mr_Trollope (user info) at 2008-06-18 15:39:33 EDT (#)
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Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2008-06-18 14:32:46 EDT (#)
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Oh yeah, and famous athletes who've been vegan, or are.
http://www.vegansociety.com/people/lifestyle/sport/
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Wow six athletes. Two of them I have never heard of.
I see six as an exception rather than the rule.
Submitted by GangsterSquid (user info) at 2008-06-18 15:37:40 EDT (#)
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Heh.
Bad timing.
Redskies is probably the furthest away from what is 'pious'.
Submitted by GangsterSquid (user info) at 2008-06-18 15:37:11 EDT (#)
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Bible beater below.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-06-18 15:36:41 EDT (#)
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amusing
Submitted by The_Drake (user info) at 2008-06-18 15:34:12 EDT (#)
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http://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVarticles/DidJesusEatMeat.htm
Yeah...if it's good enough for the son of god...it's good enough for me.
Submitted by monkeyswithguns (user info) at 2008-06-18 15:23:38 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Darth_Famine (user info) at 2008-06-18 15:14:50 EDT (#)
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Vegetarian is an ancient word meaning "bad hunter"
Vegetables are not food, they are what food eats.
I for one choose to exercise my status as an apex predator... steak please.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-06-18 15:14:37 EDT (#)
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Go read about Homo Sapiens and the difference between him and his immediate predecessor. Then stop being so pedantic.
Submitted by earth_collapse (user info) at 2008-06-18 15:12:44 EDT (#)
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Actually Doodles, when one speaks of evolution, it is obvious that they are encompassing the entire genus of "Homo."
Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2008-06-18 15:05:25 EDT (#)
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human is derived from the root 'homo', while in a literal sense, it can be used to describe the genus. However human directly implies the species homo sapien and with out any other context to imply otherwise earth meant modern man. Scientists normally refer to prior species as 'cousins'.
Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2008-06-18 14:58:58 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by JoeyG (user info) at 2008-06-18 14:56:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by experima (user info) at 2008-06-18 19:52:14 BST (#)
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bacon tastes good
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wise words right there
Submitted by experima (user info) at 2008-06-18 14:52:14 EDT (#)
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bacon tastes good
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-06-18 14:44:53 EDT (#)
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Wrong, Oath. Homo is Latin for human. He ain't.
Submitted by GangsterSquid (user info) at 2008-06-18 14:43:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-06-18 14:42:54 EDT (#)
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Genus "Homo" = Method.
Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2008-06-18 14:43:15 EDT (#)
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Sorry man, I didn't mean to upset you. Tell you what, I'll go home and eat a steak once I've finished working in the vegan commune I'm at right now. Keep you happy fella?
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-06-18 14:42:54 EDT (#)
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Genus "Homo" >2 million years.
Submitted by GangsterSquid (user info) at 2008-06-18 14:40:29 EDT (#)
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Doodles FTW.
And HBTS...WHY do you prove me wrong so blatantly on my own post? Couldn't you have sent me a polite, well-worded e-mail explaining your findings as opposed to paint me to be an uninformed moron who doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about?
It's mean is all I'm saying. Very mean. And I'm hurt.
Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2008-06-18 14:39:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by earth_collapse (user info) at 2008-06-18 14:18:42 EDT (#)
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I don't eat grains/potatoes/legumes/hydrogenated oils.
I eat only meat, vegetables, fruits, nuts & berries.
I eat a diet that humans have adapted to for millions of years.
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Considering that humans haven't been around for millions of years I find this odd.
Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2008-06-18 14:32:46 EDT (#)
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Oh yeah, and famous athletes who've been vegan, or are.
http://www.vegansociety.com/people/lifestyle/sport/
Submitted by earth_collapse (user info) at 2008-06-18 14:32:07 EDT (#)
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Shut up Mr_Trollope, you slut.
Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2008-06-18 14:24:32 EDT (#)
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Awesome.
Submitted by Mr_Trollope (user info) at 2008-06-18 14:20:46 EDT (#)
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Yes, you should never wake to comment on a post.
Submitted by earth_collapse (user info) at 2008-06-18 14:20:11 EDT (#)
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I AM GOING BACK TO SLEEP.
Submitted by Mr_Trollope (user info) at 2008-06-18 14:20:07 EDT (#)
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Heh doofus.
Submitted by earth_collapse (user info) at 2008-06-18 14:19:37 EDT (#)
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Consumption, rather. Heh
Submitted by earth_collapse (user info) at 2008-06-18 14:18:42 EDT (#)
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I don't eat grains/potatoes/legumes/hydrogenated oils.
I eat only meat, vegetables, fruits, nuts & berries.
I eat a diet that humans have adapted to for millions of years.
The advent of agriculture, or the introduction of grains was marked by an overwhelming increase of obesity and auto-immune diseases that were all but non-existent in pre-agricultural humans.
Fact: 95% of the population will die from Auto-Immune Diseases (which was rare to non-existent before agriculture.)
Fact: The poorest countries, or those with the highest consumptions of grains are the fattest and least healthy.
Fact: Without the large consumption of fats found in meats, our brains and bodies would never have evolved.
Fact: The Inuits and some tribes of Aborigines who eat predominately meat/fat, share the lowest rates of heart disease, tooth decay, and cancer. Only when these peoples are introduced to agricultural based diets to their health deteriorate.
Fact: Low-Carb/Diet High in Animal Fat has no connection to Heart Disease. (Harvard Study, 2006)
Submitted by Mr_Trollope (user info) at 2008-06-18 14:17:09 EDT (#)
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my 4th favorite uber user
Submitted by Poots (user info) at 2008-06-18 14:12:32 EDT (#)
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here's some more literature for you http://www.euroveg.eu/evu/english/news/news002/meatless_muscle.html
that guy is huge. well he's huge compared to me anyway
Submitted by Brdn_Nkd (user info) at 2008-06-18 13:54:50 EDT (#)
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i solved it but I eat steak.
Submitted by Poots (user info) at 2008-06-18 13:52:04 EDT (#)
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6.1 Carl Lewis is probably one of fastest athletes in
the world. In 1991, he broke the world record for
100 meters in 9.86 seconds.
6.2: Edwin Moses
>From 1977 to 1987 he has achieved 122 victories in the 400 meter hurdles. His career included two Olympic gold medals, two world titles and four world records in his specialty. During this time he achieved a streak of 122 consecutive victories
6.3: Martina Navratilova.
She was the first tennis player to win Wimbledon nine times with six of those nine wins being consecutive. She broke the record for professional tennis titles of 74 in 1984 and since has achieved a total of 167 titles.
The vegetarian and vegan diets are perfectly compatible with sports activities including intense activities such as strength training or weight lifting. Since the vegan diet is high in carbohydrates which are needed to fuel the body, athletes are easily sustained with this type of nourishment.
6.4: Paavo Nurmi
Marathon runner Paavo Nurmi has achieved 20 world records and has won nine Olympic gold medals. In the 1924 Olympic Games held in Paris, he won the 1500 meters and the 5000 meters in the same evening with just one hour of rest between the two events.
We now know that not only does the human body require protein, but it also requires carbohydrates and fats to provide the necessary energy for the athlete. And in fact, glycogen in the muscles determines in great part the athlete's muscular resistance and the production of glycogen is related to the consumption of complex carbohydrates.
Vegetarians and vegans can satisfy their protein and nutritional requirments by simply increasing their caloric intake without any problem. On average, vegetarians obtain 12,5% of their calories from protein and vegans obtain 11%. For example, an 80 kg (176 lbs.) athlete who consumes 3600 calories daily in a vegetarian diet, would obtain 1.41g of protein per kilogram of body weight - more than enough for the majority of sportsmen. With a vegan diet, an athlete would obtain 1,2g of protein per kilogram of body weight - also sufficient the majority of sportsmen.
information was pulled from http://www.ivu.org/articles/exhibition/sport.htm
and this chick Tonya Kay who happens to be a vegan super hero of all things.
p.s. TALLADEGA
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-06-18 13:48:45 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-06-18 13:46:19 EDT (#)
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the thing about Mozilla is that it doesn't show me the filename just by hovering...I have to click properties and shit
whatever, I'll bee yer bitch as long as you're my catcher
Submitted by GangsterSquid (user info) at 2008-06-18 13:44:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-06-18 13:39:28 EDT (#)
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BRAWNDO HAS ELECTROLYTES!!!
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Filename.
Submitted by GangsterSquid (user info) at 2008-06-18 13:43:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by The_Drake (user info) at 2008-06-18 13:36:48 EDT (#)
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I just finished my baby seal burger, and chased it with a bald eagle shake.
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I guffawed.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-06-18 13:39:28 EDT (#)
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BRAWNDO HAS ELECTROLYTES!!!
Submitted by The_Drake (user info) at 2008-06-18 13:39:27 EDT (#)
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By the way I crap out my mouth apparently
Submitted by GangsterSquid (user info) at 2008-06-18 13:38:16 EDT (#)
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I'm fat, I have zero definition and I'm a tubby bitch.
Where's my $20
Submitted by The_Drake (user info) at 2008-06-18 13:36:48 EDT (#)
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I just finished my baby seal burger, and chased it with a bald eagle shake.
I took a crap and wiped my mouth with my condor toilet paper.
I feel great!
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2008-06-18 13:28:17 EDT (#)
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You're fat. Admit it. You have zero definition, tubby bitch
Submitted by PepsiCoke (user info) at 2008-06-18 13:24:58 EDT (#)
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idiot
Submitted by SgtHartman (user info) at 2008-06-18 13:24:38 EDT (#)
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fuck that was meant to be a +2
I love fucking steak mang, I'd eat it for every meal.
and I still dont know anyone who died healthy.
Submitted by SgtHartman (user info) at 2008-06-18 13:21:28 EDT (#)
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I dont know anyone that died healthy.
Submitted by tloshjohnson (user info) at 2008-06-18 13:19:06 EDT (#)
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wait...
is that correct?
Submitted by tloshjohnson (user info) at 2008-06-18 13:17:39 EDT (#)
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Bandwagon.
Jump.
On.
Re-arrange those words to make a common statement or saying.