Love your kids? Prove it by beating them? (892 hits)
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Submitted by <ejryuu.at.gmail.com> (View user info) at 2008-09-05 11:53:01 EDT
"WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"
"YOU'RE GOING TO START LISTENING TO ME OR I WILL KICK YOUR ASS!"
"WHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"
"DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME?!"
(sniffles)
"Leave me alone."
(more sniffles)
"Leave me alone. Leave me alone."
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This is the conversation I heard last night while letting my dog out to do her business in the early evening last night. It took place between an adult and a small child. The adult was not the one crying in this case.
I'm not a parent at this point in time so I can't be totally certain about what sort of disciplinary techniques I'd incorporate to make my children kick more ass than the average kid. What I am sure about, though, is that I'd never scream at my son or daughter that I was going to kick his or her ass. Who does that? (I mean besides the canned beer chugging redneck with the open windows in the apartment building next to mine.)
In the days of my youth, my father was one small step away from being a bonafide psycho. But through all of his craziness, he never beat us kids or laid a hand on my mom.
Wait, I take that back. One time I was trying to hold open a bag on our deck for him to scoop out the old charcoal ashes out of the grill and when half of the dust missed the bag and fell onto the deck, he headbutted me. Completely true story. He'd been threatening it during the course of the ash removal but I didn't think he'd really do it, mostly because he was saying that he'd "butthead" me if I didn't pull my head out my ass and hold the bag open. I might have chuckled or something under my breath because I was amused that my dad could mix up "headbutt" and "butthead" in his random moment of anger with his bald head turning shades of crimson and spittle flying from his maw. Butthead? Really dad? You're gonna butthead me? Well he did.
Then there was another time in the car when he decided to go skitzoid in a parking lot and start yelling at my younger brother. Never touched him during the fifteen minute episode but somehow managed to catch the attention of some nosey bitch in the lot that decided to call the police to report child abuse. Man oh man, the anger left his face like a cat lit on fire and lobbed into a public swimming pool when that officer showed up. And it didn't come back after the cop had left, either. I think he felt embarassed.
Parenting must be tough these days. If you spank your kid, you're the worst parent in the world and abusing them. If you go the route of just talking to them, they either ignore you or end up emotionally scarred and go on shooting rampages a couple of years down the road.
I gave quick consideration to whipping out my phone when I heard this madness taking place on an otherwise peaceful, breezeless Minnesota September but then had a quick flashback of my dad in the parking lot with the cop. Just because a lot of noise is being made doesn't mean that this small child is getting a knuckle sandwich to the face. And even if he was, who's place is it to say that's wrong? Maybe he'd just come back from setting someone's house on fire or that this was a huge breaking point for his dad/guardian. Is physical discipline really that much worse than other forms of behavioral correction for kids?
When the sobbing could no longer clearly be heard from one hundred feet away, I figured it was time to bring my puppy back inside and think about how grey the area of appropriate parenting is.
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Submitted by Ejryuu (user info) at 2008-09-08 11:13:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Hooli (user info) at 2008-09-06 17:38:46 EDT (#)
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NICE IDEA FOR A POST. TY MADDOX.
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=beat
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Not like it was a big, covered-up secret with the title being the way it was with just the punctuation change. The post needed a title and I figured the small tribute to Maddox was as good as any. Apparently not~
Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2008-09-07 19:43:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2008-09-07 19:43:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by angrydrunk86 (user info) at 2008-09-07 12:03:26 EDT (#)
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I have the awnser to all your parenting questions. being mexican we like to beat our children but being that beating you children is wrong we have come up with a stratagy. in public talk to the child tell them in a sweet voice and kneel beside them and whisper "you shut the fuck up right now or when we get home im going to shut the blinds and beat the ever loving shit out of you oooohhh my hand i can feel it feel the spanking its gonna hurt so bad". no time outs, no grounding, no restrictions just good old fashioned child abuse its kept kids inline for hundreds of years.
Submitted by bugblender (user info) at 2008-09-07 04:28:08 EDT (#)
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I just want to know if the dog made a number one or number two.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-09-06 18:38:48 EDT (#)
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Whip the kid's ass. Hard. It teaches a lesson better than anything else. If you can't punish them, don't have them.
Submitted by Hooli (user info) at 2008-09-06 17:38:46 EDT (#)
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NICE IDEA FOR A POST. TY MADDOX.
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=beat
Submitted by polyamorousaj (user info) at 2008-09-06 13:12:58 EDT (#)
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Your boxer is fat and its ears are too big for its head.
Submitted by Collateral_Damage (user info) at 2008-09-06 06:38:55 EDT (#)
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Very light physical punishment should be used from around age 1.5 or 2 to teach the child that not lstening to you has consequences. If done correctly, from the age of about 3, the child should have the concept of cause-effect pretty well engrained in their head.
From about 4 on, there may still be times when yelling (to scare) or threating (not to hit, but to punish through other means) are still necessary, but should be rare. Screaming only makes a fool of yourself in most cases, and using it too often weakens it's effect. It's important to never let a child test you and succeed.
That's my opinion anyway...
Submitted by Aadarm (user info) at 2008-09-06 04:54:50 EDT (#)
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I'm 23 and had my shit knotted so I don't have to deal with the problem of kids. Bad enough when I have to see everyone elses spoiled little fuck ups running around. This is why we have abortion, to avoid having annoying little brats running all over the place.
Submitted by TheBrad (user info) at 2008-09-06 00:12:08 EDT (#)
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Until you have a kid, you are not allowed to have an opinion on child raising. So shut the fuck up you have no business telling any parent anything and even less business thinking about calling the cops. People like you make me sick.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-09-05 23:02:59 EDT (#)
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Wow. Dogs, kids... you have all kinds of self-imposed responsibility that you want pity about.
Well, fuck you, y'get none from me.
Submitted by MANICMOTHER (user info) at 2008-09-05 20:32:15 EDT (#)
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BTW Blink, I understand your situation.
And you and I BOTH know the only way to understand it is to experience it first hand.
Submitted by MANICMOTHER (user info) at 2008-09-05 20:27:11 EDT (#)
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Blinkish is right, for his or her situation. An autistic child doesn't understand corporal punishment. Hell most kids with pervasive development disorders/autism/asperger's syndrome have a hard enough time understanding what right and wrong is on a moral/social scale without adding the confusion of yelling (sensory issues) or a swat to the ass (in that child's case he will now believe that a swat is what you do to someone who commits that infraction). I'm impressed that blinkish can have a conversation with said child considering the fact that verbal understanding is a HUGE problem with most kids with autism. Good for him/her/it/whatever.
That being said I don't hold with abuse of a kid to get good behavior out of them but then a brat standing in line screaming at the top of his lungs that he wants another useless toy is not going to stand there and listen to reason. He's getting exactly what he wants, all the fucking attention in the world. The mother is looking nervous and tired as hell as she scans the crowd to see people looking at her like she's the worst parent in the world because she's
A. not giving the poor sweet thing what he wants
B. not shutting her damn brat up
or she"s getting that look that parents give each other everywhere that says
"Yes I know what you're going through but now I'm DAMN glad I left mine at home"
What does she do?
She smacks the kid in the ass (cutting through the tantrum he's worked himself into)and IMMEDIATELY gets his attention. Then she tells him he can't have X or Y when they get home. The kid sniffles to a halt and 2 mins later is totally absorbed in the next thing that catches his interest while the parent is picked up by the police outside the store because that old lady huggin her package of Depends or the ultra-liberal wackjob pushing the cart of organic produce and wheatgerm at the end of the line called to report a case of child abuse at the local Piggly Wiggly.
My suggestion... unless the kid is getting belted, there are welts, bruises or other serious abuse defining clues, STAY THE HELL OUT OF IT.
Submitted by Blinkish (user info) at 2008-09-05 18:28:02 EDT (#)
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I'm sorry you don't agree with the way I parent? I don't fucking care. Chances are you've never had to deal with a child who literally doesn't understand words.
Spanking him would be the ultimate confusion as I'm constantly trying to show him why it's a wrong thing to HIT people.
Maybe I am on a soap box, so fucking what. If I heard my neighbour doing what was quoted above, you're fucking right I would call children's aid. THAT'S abuse.
And there are some parents who can use spanking as a tool. In my case, it's abuse. Anytime you hit a child, and they have no way to understand WHY they are being punished, it's abuse.
I've had to create ways to communicate with my child, and hitting him is not one of them. There are always other ways to get your point across.
Submitted by Ltap (user info) at 2008-09-05 18:21:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by sandmantate (user info) at 2008-09-05 16:10:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Blinkish (user info) at 2008-09-05 15:26:12 EDT (#)
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Cute puppy.
I would have called someone for sure.
I have a 3 year old, he is autistic. Not cutesy Rainman kind of autistic, I'm talking beat the crap out of himself and everyone around him for reasons he can't understand and then have a sobbing freak out because everyone's bleeding and he hates red.
I don't hit my kid, I don't yell at my kid. We have conversations, we work through shit. He's having a rough day and feels himself losing control? He goes to his room and chills out. I bought him a blow up castle that he can throw himself around in and effectivly work out his frustration while not hurting anyone. He knows when and where he can lash out, and he doesn't have the ability to talk or communicate in a 'normal' manner with me. You can work around anything if you take the time to talk to your kid.
There is no excuse to hit your child, or verbally abuse them. Ever
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You need to come off of your soap box.
Corporal Punishment is not abuse. You child is not a nuclear capable country; they do not need to negotiated with. They need to be given a limitation and they need to respect it. If they are told to not cuss, but they proceed to call you a bitch, wash their little mouth out with soap. They want to hit the other kids, blister their little asses then make them go apologize.
Abuse is hitting your child for no reason. Discipline is stating that an action will result in a spanking, then following your words with actions.
Submitted by sandmantate (user info) at 2008-09-05 16:10:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Blinkish (user info) at 2008-09-05 15:26:12 EDT (#)
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Cute puppy.
I would have called someone for sure.
I have a 3 year old, he is autistic. Not cutesy Rainman kind of autistic, I'm talking beat the crap out of himself and everyone around him for reasons he can't understand and then have a sobbing freak out because everyone's bleeding and he hates red.
I don't hit my kid, I don't yell at my kid. We have conversations, we work through shit. He's having a rough day and feels himself losing control? He goes to his room and chills out. I bought him a blow up castle that he can throw himself around in and effectivly work out his frustration while not hurting anyone. He knows when and where he can lash out, and he doesn't have the ability to talk or communicate in a 'normal' manner with me. You can work around anything if you take the time to talk to your kid.
There is no excuse to hit your child, or verbally abuse them. Ever
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You need to come off of your soap box.
Corporal Punishment is not abuse. You child is not a nuclear capable country; they do not need to negotiated with. They need to be given a limitation and they need to respect it. If they are told to not cuss, but they proceed to call you a bitch, wash their little mouth out with soap. They want to hit the other kids, blister their little asses then make them go apologize.
Abuse is hitting your child for no reason. Discipline is stating that an action will result in a spanking, then following your words with actions.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-09-05 16:08:16 EDT (#)
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jtrujillo you talk like a LOLcat. Might want to get that checked out.
Submitted by jtrujillo34 (user info) at 2008-09-05 15:49:51 EDT (#)
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Last message was awesome. Jeanneee, you have not kids because your a filthy whore, based on your camwhore's.
Submitted by Blinkish (user info) at 2008-09-05 15:26:12 EDT (#)
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Cute puppy.
I would have called someone for sure.
I have a 3 year old, he is autistic. Not cutesy Rainman kind of autistic, I'm talking beat the crap out of himself and everyone around him for reasons he can't understand and then have a sobbing freak out because everyone's bleeding and he hates red.
I don't hit my kid, I don't yell at my kid. We have conversations, we work through shit. He's having a rough day and feels himself losing control? He goes to his room and chills out. I bought him a blow up castle that he can throw himself around in and effectivly work out his frustration while not hurting anyone. He knows when and where he can lash out, and he doesn't have the ability to talk or communicate in a 'normal' manner with me. You can work around anything if you take the time to talk to your kid.
There is no excuse to hit your child, or verbally abuse them. Ever
Submitted by matchoo (user info) at 2008-09-05 14:06:53 EDT (#)
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This is the conversation I heard last night while letting my dog out to do her business in the early evening last night.
pooooooooooooh
Submitted by sandmantate (user info) at 2008-09-05 12:32:48 EDT (#)
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I can't stand unruly kids. Slap them in their smart little mouth.
I hate parents who try to "negotiate" a punishment with their children.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2008-09-05 12:27:42 EDT (#)
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My mother was abusive to me when I was a little kid. Nowadays, I believe it was because she was a young mother, completely unprepared for motherhood. My grandmother never taught her anything either.
I've forgiven the woman but I still hold a grudge because she swears that she was June Cleaver.
"No mom, you weren't. June would have never dragged her 4 year old out of bed by her hair at 5:00 am because she was angry at a toy being left out."
"I never did that."
"Oh no? Ok, here, let me call Dad and see if he recollects this."
"<sniff sniff> You can be so hateful sometimes! <sniff sniff>"
Anyway, when I see what I think to be child abuse, I get edgy. When I still worked at the hospital, I'd call the social services case worker directly. If I'm out in public and see psychological abuse (screaming, name calling, threatening), I might call the parent a cunt. Sometimes they slink away, but then sometimes they start verbally harranging me. Which is fine, at least their focus is off the child. If they make a big enough stink, usually someone calls security or the police on them because they're screaming at me. When the cop asks me what happened, I tell them I called the parent(s) a cunt because they were screaming at their child and calling their child was a "shit head" and so on. That usually embarrasses the parent(s) sufficiently.
If I see them going to town and physically beating the crap out of their kid, yes, I'll call someone and make sure others see what's happening.
But then, if the kid is a brat and the parent is weary and having a bad time with them and pops them one across the mouth or the butt, I smile at that.
Fucking kids.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2008-09-05 12:17:21 EDT (#)
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Lost me with the first line. Too many "A"'s.
Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2008-09-05 12:17:09 EDT (#)
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I hear conversations like this all the time, except my neighbor is 30 and her father is 65 and they scream about all sorts of shit all day long. One time we heard him screaming, "I don't want you having sex!"
Fucking ridiculous.
Submitted by Linus (user info) at 2008-09-05 12:01:00 EDT (#)
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Ugh.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-09-05 11:59:23 EDT (#)
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Cute puppy.
I can't deal with bad kids. Which is why I still don't have any and probably never will. Shit, I can't even discipline a dog.