This Has Got To Stop (2963 hits)
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Submitted by Razor <Jeremy_21117.at.hotmail.com> (View user info) at 2008-10-14 09:58:10 EDT
This is a directly quoted question and response from a recent McCain rally.
Woman at rally: I don't trust Obama. I have read about him and he's an Arab.
Sen. John McCain: No ma'am, no ma'am. He's a decent family man, citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues. That's what this campaign is all about. He's not, thank you.
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I'm sorry, what? Obama is not an Arab, he's a decent family man and a citizen???
Why is John McCain not being called out by the people of the United States for this incredibly racist response to a stupid question? I mean, great, go ahead and try to set the record straight on Obama because the poll numbers indicate your constant attacking hasn't worked. That's fine. But since when does being Arab mean you're not a decent family man and not a citizen?
This whole Obama-is-a-muslim meme from this campaign has really sickened me. Not because of the accusation itself, but simply BECAUSE "So and so is a muslim" is considered an insult and something that would disqualify someone from higher office.
So much for America's promise of overcoming racial boundaries this election. We haven't cracked the glass ceiling, we've just shifted our definition of ethnic undesirables in a different direction.
C'mon people. I know that Al-Qaeda is bad.I know that Wahhabi Islam is a poison to the world. But so is fundamentalist Christianity as preached by folks like Falwell, so are the hard line Jews in Israel who want to wipe away the Palestinians.
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Submitted by Beerpoo (user info) at 2008-10-20 23:33:42 EDT (#)
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I can see where you are coming from but the response could be taken one of two ways.
And get your shit straight. "Al-Qaeda" is completely made up. http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-10-20 17:50:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-17 01:10:09 EDT (#)
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HA! YOUR OWN WIFE ONLY GAVE YOU A +1!
maybe you should buy her flowers tomorrow.
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Hidden FTW...
Submitted by dangerdude (user info) at 2008-10-20 11:59:40 EDT (#)
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I don't think this is really the issue here. The real issue is what idiot gave that woman the microphone in the first place? She looked like a total headcase. She probably has more cats than friends or family, and she totally sounded like that woman from the video on collegehumor talking about how the government was secretly putting rainbows in the water supply.
But seriously, it really saddens me to see how American politics have come to this. granted, they've always been like this, because most people in this country are fools, but the McCain campaign dug their own graves on this one. It is partially due to some of the photos of Obama in a turbin when he was visiting Kenya that were put out by the media during the primaries, but no one was actually afraid of Obama before the attacks from the McCain campaign started. They're spreading lies and rumors and now are on the defensive when they've gotten out of hand. It is really pathetic when campaigning becomes more about attacking your opponent's charachter rather than actually discussing your own views.
Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2008-10-20 07:27:47 EDT (#)
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i saw that on the daily show last week too.
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2008-10-20 03:06:25 EDT (#)
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Haven't been around in a while. Haven't read the likely, retarded comments on this post. But Razor was onto it back then (yes i've been around longer than you most likely if you're reading this). And he's still onto it. Good post.
Submitted by Squissel (user info) at 2008-10-17 19:13:49 EDT (#)
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Couldn't agree more.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2008-10-17 04:51:23 EDT (#)
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this is seriously retarded.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-17 01:10:09 EDT (#)
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HA! YOUR OWN WIFE ONLY GAVE YOU A +1!
maybe you should buy her flowers tomorrow.
Submitted by firefly (user info) at 2008-10-16 20:54:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-10-16 15:37:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JulsInsane (user info) at 2008-10-16 11:17:08 EDT (#)
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I thought that McCain was responding to what he felt was her inference rather than the specific words.
Submitted by czwij (user info) at 2008-10-16 09:44:37 EDT (#)
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...and when obama leaves the oval office, what will they call him?
y'all figure it out
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-10-16 07:00:16 EDT (#)
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I finally saw the actual clip, and not just the transcript.
Anyone who thinks he was racist is an asshat. He gave the lady the stink eye and didn't even let her finish talking. He practically snatched the microphone out of her hand.
Submitted by czwij (user info) at 2008-10-16 03:35:46 EDT (#)
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he's muslim?
the united states is doomed...!
Submitted by iambetteratit (user info) at 2008-10-16 03:18:56 EDT (#)
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Falwell is a piece of shit bigot, spewing hate and intolerance. and don't act like some christians don't commit acts of terrorism on behalf of their leaders. they may not do it on the same scale as muslim extremists, but they still do it. if you look at history, most of the fucked up shit that has happened was done in the name of religion- mostly islam and christianity.
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Actually bud, falwell is a corpse, the only thing hes spewing is carrion vermin.
I do agree that a good chunk of the evil that is done in this world is done in the name of god who is supposedly totally against that behavior.
I will repeat myself.. you religious types are all fucking wackjobs.
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-10-16 00:32:33 EDT (#)
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Oh...well then you and I are on the same page. Different paragraphs apparently. I agree with you.
Cool Runnings is on and I missed the debate tonight so I've got nothing left to argue about.
Submitted by EJ (user info) at 2008-10-15 23:25:30 EDT (#)
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My grandmother used to call me a porch monkey all the time when I was a kid because I'd sit on the porch and stare at my neighbors.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-15 23:02:40 EDT (#)
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also, i'd like to again point out that many of us are wondering why McCain didn't respond differently by scolding the woman for being a racist. i mean, it was so blatantly racist that i actually gasped.
like i said before- i saw my grandmother say "aren't you little nigger kids cute" when handing out candy to black trick or treaters. again, i gasped. i said "grandma, that's incredibly racist". she doesn't hate black people. she's an old-timer that thinks that's just what you call black people. i had to explain to her that you don't call black kids "little niggers".
i'm not saying McCain is going around calling black people niggers, but i really got the feeling that he was being an undercover racist by the way he responded.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-15 22:54:58 EDT (#)
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i was referring to the woman, not McCain.
so the terminology would still be "overtly". she was very straightforward about the fact that she was being a racist.
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-10-15 22:24:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-15 02:25:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-10-15 02:08:47 EDT (#)
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yeah this is such a big deal. he obviously meant that no arab can be a decent family man because he didn't explicitly say so.
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i'm amazed that people are completely missing the point here.... when someone says something so overtly racist in public.... oh fuck it. i'm wasting my time.
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if you want to get down to it, it would be covert, not overt. overt would be if he called obama a dirty stinking muslim terrorist arab, whereas covert would be...whatever it is you think he did here.
its annoying, to me, that mccain's rallies are tantamount to high school pep rallies and that his supporters are such idiots, but it goes both ways. i was at my girlfriend's place a couple days ago watching an obama speech and her roommate came out and said (i'm not shitting you):
"i dont care if he is muslim, i like obama."
i responded by calling her a fucking idiot. like mccain, i imagine, i forgot that she was saying there was anything wrong with being muslim because her facts are so basically wrong. mccain cant just call somebody a fucking idiot a a rally; he tried to brush her off more civilly and now he's getting ripped to shreds (to degrees, i guess, since ubersite scuffles are hardly of any consequence in the big scheme of things).
Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2008-10-15 22:11:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by sage104 (user info) at 2008-10-15 15:19:17 EDT (#)
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Doodles, it seldom gets anymore idiot than you. Thanks for proving that beautifully with the muck you spewed out above, fuck face.
First, how does "decent and trust work better together than decent and Arab"? How, you bigot? Just because an individual happens to be Arab that automatically disqualifies them from being a decent person or human being? You are an ignorant fucking goon.
Next, you fail at your attempt to qualify McCain's remark that Obama is a citizen by positing that McCain equates citizen to NOT being Arab. How is this necessarily so? One of my best friends is Arab and she is a citizen...how are being a U.S. Citizen and an Arab mutually exclusive, you fuck?
God you're an otiose human being. There's a $10 word...I know you love 'em. Now go to dictionary.com and look it up so you can see how I feel about you. After you're done doing that, get thine country ass to to a library in a large city and read a fucking book.
GOOD GRIEF I hate racists.
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Right.
Decent is more synonymous with trust than arab.
If something is 'trustworthy' it also is very likely to be 'decent'
You 'trust' people that are 'decent'
For razor to come to the conclusion that trustworthy = arab instead of trustworthy= decent is illogical.
Comprende?
Also from dictionary.com
Arab
-noun 1. a member of a Semitic people inhabiting Arabia and other countries of the Middle East.
2. a member of any Arabic-speaking people.
If you are a citizen of the United States you are NOT an arab. Literally. Like I previously stated.
You must have been confusing 'arab' and 'muslim'
S'ok though, I don't expect much more from slags such as yourself.
You know people don't use the word slag nearly enough.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-10-15 17:48:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:06:48 EDT (#)
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That's pretty much the Canadian way of things.
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you keep saying canadians complain all the time. which is gonna be?
p.s. you're canadian, therefor you must stfu.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-10-15 17:47:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:03:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-10-15 01:46:08 EDT (#)
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rofl, in a meritocracy, Jack would not be a loudmouthed cat fucker. he'd sit at the bottom of the ladder in silence, grateful he'd be allowed to exist.
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Think again, dickhead. I work for a bank and even though everything is on the verge of going to shit I'm sitting pretty because I'm on solid ground. You've been shooting your mouth off and leaping to ridiculous conclusions about people based on WHAT YOU READ ON THE INTERNET ever since you showed up on Uber.
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yeah yeah, i'm sure a walmart greeter could also brag about working for fortune 500 company. what do you do exactly in that bank? tell us.
besides, i wasn't exactly talking about your job. a meritocracy would be based on abilities, and i think it's been demonstrated that you're a raging retard.
and from from what I READ ON THE INTERNET, you're a ginger male who own 9 cats...that's reason enough to make you the laughingstock of ubersite and probably the whole internet.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-15 17:02:04 EDT (#)
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i always wrap it up. i learned that lesson the hard way back in the military. thank god for antibiotics!
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:57:05 EDT (#)
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"that" should be "than" in my comment.
Submitted by sage104 (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:50:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:49:16 EDT (#)
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Better they're competing for your attention that hounding you for child support and paternity tests. Wrap it!
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Holla!! LOL
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:49:56 EDT (#)
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Re: this-
"this is the new hidden101. i've been banging a lot of bar skanks lately and i've sworn off of random sex for the time being. i felt really shitty when i showed up to the bar to throw darts with the boys and three different girls i had fucked were all there and were all trying to compete for my attention and wouldn't stop hanging all over me. that's when i decided it was time to stop."
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:49:16 EDT (#)
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Better they're competing for your attention that hounding you for child support and paternity tests. Wrap it!
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:47:00 EDT (#)
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*twitch*
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:43:32 EDT (#)
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that's a good policy. everyone here is completely insane.
Submitted by sage104 (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:42:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:36:23 EDT (#)
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hahahaha
this may be the one time hidden101 is actually not interested in sex, rob. i really did have an honest favor to ask and it was non-sexual, and no i'm not just saying that and really just plan on raping her. this is the new hidden101. i've been banging a lot of bar skanks lately and i've sworn off of random sex for the time being. i felt really shitty when i showed up to the bar to throw darts with the boys and three different girls i had fucked were all there and were all trying to compete for my attention and wouldn't stop hanging all over me. that's when i decided it was time to stop.
sage- i've been to Iraq twice for a total of fifteen months and Afghanistan once for three months. i used to be in the AF.
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Yeah, Rob, random sex isn't my bag, either. Read one of my otiose posts on whores or porn. I have never emailed anyone from uber that I didn't know before I came to uber.
Hidden: Re - bar skanks, yeesh. Re - AF/Afghanistan/Iraq, sweet.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:36:23 EDT (#)
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hahahaha
this may be the one time hidden101 is actually not interested in sex, rob. i really did have an honest favor to ask and it was non-sexual, and no i'm not just saying that and really just plan on raping her. this is the new hidden101. i've been banging a lot of bar skanks lately and i've sworn off of random sex for the time being. i felt really shitty when i showed up to the bar to throw darts with the boys and three different girls i had fucked were all there and were all trying to compete for my attention and wouldn't stop hanging all over me. that's when i decided it was time to stop.
sage- i've been to Iraq twice for a total of fifteen months and Afghanistan once for three months. i used to be in the AF.
Submitted by sage104 (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:32:25 EDT (#)
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Bwaaahahahaha, below.
We'd have to meet first, which isn't going to happen. I don't meet strange men (or women or she-males or robots or animals or other objects or ANYTHING for that matter) off of strange internet sites.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:30:20 EDT (#)
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You guys are totally gunna hump.
Submitted by sage104 (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:28:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:25:06 EDT (#)
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GO hidden!
You glorious slut, you.
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HE might be a slut, but Sage isn't. I give people the benefit of the doubt but I'm no fool, either.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:25:06 EDT (#)
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GO hidden!
You glorious slut, you.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:25:03 EDT (#)
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haha sage I know. Just talking a mix of WHAT IF and using Falwell as a stand-in for any American Religious fundamentalist.
Damn, now I'm getting the urge to watch The People VS Larry Flynt for the 88th time.
Submitted by sage104 (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:24:09 EDT (#)
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I spied on your page for a second and saw that you went to the sandbox. What branch are you in? My bro JUST got out of the Marines in July; he went to Iraq twice. Thanks, by the way.
PS...spy on my page and my email is on my first post if you wanna email me. I go up to NoVA all the time; my family is still up there.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:20:47 EDT (#)
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oh, nothing much. i have a friend who just moved to the area and doesn't know anyone but his girlfriend. anyway, i'd rather discuss it over email.
Submitted by sage104 (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:17:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:15:32 EDT (#)
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i am staying about 5 to 10 minutes from Fairfax right now. if you were closer to me, i was going to ask you for a favor (NON SEXUAL, GET YOUR MIND OUT OF THE GUTTER).
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I'm in Kansas City right now, so I'm pretty damn far from you at the moment. What's the favor, in any event? (Mind far from the gutter.)
Submitted by sage104 (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:16:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:12:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-15 00:32:30 EDT (#)
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stop trying to act like just because Falwell followers aren't crashing planes into buildings that the guy isn't like Osama.
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Look man, I never said I agree with Falwell. The specific cited was things being blown up, and as much as Falwell is a delusional freak I don't think he has ever urged anyone to blow anything up. Do I agree with Falwell on ANYTHING? ANYTHING AT ALL? No. I think he's a fat, insane, profiteering, pampered fuck.
And IF Falwell DID urge his followers to blow shit up, I honestly think that instead of blindly obeying him it would work as a wake up call and they'd wonder why they wasted so much time following the guy. Well, there's always a few freaks, look at the Phelps family, but the vast (moral) majority would probably say, "Whoa, hold on a sec."
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Falwell is DEAD, homie, he's BEEN dead.
Look, I even wiki'd his name for you...he died 5/15/07. Check 'er out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Falwell
From now on use his name in the PAST tense; he's not alive to be fat or whatever anymore. He's DEAD.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:15:32 EDT (#)
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i am staying about 5 to 10 minutes from Fairfax right now. if you were closer to me, i was going to ask you for a favor (NON SEXUAL, GET YOUR MIND OUT OF THE GUTTER).
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:12:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-15 00:32:30 EDT (#)
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stop trying to act like just because Falwell followers aren't crashing planes into buildings that the guy isn't like Osama.
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Look man, I never said I agree with Falwell. The specific cited was things being blown up, and as much as Falwell is a delusional freak I don't think he has ever urged anyone to blow anything up. Do I agree with Falwell on ANYTHING? ANYTHING AT ALL? No. I think he's a fat, insane, profiteering, pampered fuck.
And IF Falwell DID urge his followers to blow shit up, I honestly think that instead of blindly obeying him it would work as a wake up call and they'd wonder why they wasted so much time following the guy. Well, there's always a few freaks, look at the Phelps family, but the vast (moral) majority would probably say, "Whoa, hold on a sec."
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:06:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-15 01:39:34 EDT (#)
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>>>yeah, i get what you're saying. we should just be quiet when you disagree with something.
*BLANK STARE*
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That's pretty much the Canadian way of things.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:03:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-10-15 01:46:08 EDT (#)
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rofl, in a meritocracy, Jack would not be a loudmouthed cat fucker. he'd sit at the bottom of the ladder in silence, grateful he'd be allowed to exist.
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Think again, dickhead. I work for a bank and even though everything is on the verge of going to shit I'm sitting pretty because I'm on solid ground. You've been shooting your mouth off and leaping to ridiculous conclusions about people based on WHAT YOU READ ON THE INTERNET ever since you showed up on Uber.
Submitted by sage104 (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:01:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-10-15 02:08:47 EDT (#)
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yeah this is such a big deal. he obviously meant that no arab can be a decent family man because he didn't explicitly say so.
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For the record, I dont believe that, for all intents and purposes, McCain explicitly MEANT to be racist. However, what he said was racist in NATURE and was and IS interpreted as a racist or otherwise derogatory remark. Anyone taking that statement at face value (with an IQ above 60, that is) can see it as plain as day. Also, anyone taking that statement and applying context or using intuition to interpret it can give McCain the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure Obama did. Still, being a politician, he needs to make an attempt to exercise tact and grace if he's going to be successful. The media is, after all, a bitch.
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wow, good clarification. people like me were having a very hard time explaining myself and you pretty much summed it up perfectly. i agree 100%.
ps- how close are you to the DC metro area?
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Well thanks!
I'm in Richmond now, but I used to live in Fairfax, about 10 minutes away from GMU. What about you?
Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2008-10-15 16:00:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-10-15 03:00:53 EDT (#)
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this was not picked up by the media?
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The Daily Show picked it up!
Wait......
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Did they? I'm gonna have to go watch some back episodes now... do you know what day they played this? I haven't watched it all week.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-15 15:59:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-10-15 02:08:47 EDT (#)
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yeah this is such a big deal. he obviously meant that no arab can be a decent family man because he didn't explicitly say so.
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For the record, I dont believe that, for all intents and purposes, McCain explicitly MEANT to be racist. However, what he said was racist in NATURE and was and IS interpreted as a racist or otherwise derogatory remark. Anyone taking that statement at face value (with an IQ above 60, that is) can see it as plain as day. Also, anyone taking that statement and applying context or using intuition to interpret it can give McCain the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure Obama did. Still, being a politician, he needs to make an attempt to exercise tact and grace if he's going to be successful. The media is, after all, a bitch.
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wow, good clarification. people like me were having a very hard time explaining myself and you pretty much summed it up perfectly. i agree 100%.
ps- how close are you to the DC metro area?
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-10-15 15:46:09 EDT (#)
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H B 2 U
Submitted by sage104 (user info) at 2008-10-15 15:22:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-10-15 02:08:47 EDT (#)
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yeah this is such a big deal. he obviously meant that no arab can be a decent family man because he didn't explicitly say so.
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For the record, I dont believe that, for all intents and purposes, McCain explicitly MEANT to be racist. However, what he said was racist in NATURE and was and IS interpreted as a racist or otherwise derogatory remark. Anyone taking that statement at face value (with an IQ above 60, that is) can see it as plain as day. Also, anyone taking that statement and applying context or using intuition to interpret it can give McCain the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure Obama did. Still, being a politician, he needs to make an attempt to exercise tact and grace if he's going to be successful. The media is, after all, a bitch.
Submitted by sage104 (user info) at 2008-10-15 15:19:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2008-10-14 22:46:14 EDT (#)
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First McCain informs her that she is incorrect about the trustworthiness as decent and trust work better together than decent and Arab.
Next he informs her that Obama is a citizen-meaning NOT an arab. Literally. To further the point he once again states that obama is not an arab.
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Doodles, it seldom gets anymore idiot than you. Thanks for proving that beautifully with the muck you spewed out above, fuck face.
First, how does "decent and trust work better together than decent and Arab"? How, you bigot? Just because an individual happens to be Arab that automatically disqualifies them from being a decent person or human being? You are an ignorant fucking goon.
Next, you fail at your attempt to qualify McCain's remark that Obama is a citizen by positing that McCain equates citizen to NOT being Arab. How is this necessarily so? One of my best friends is Arab and she is a citizen...how are being a U.S. Citizen and an Arab mutually exclusive, you fuck?
God you're an otiose human being. There's a $10 word...I know you love 'em. Now go to dictionary.com and look it up so you can see how I feel about you. After you're done doing that, get thine country ass to to a library in a large city and read a fucking book.
GOOD GRIEF I hate racists.
Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2008-10-15 14:41:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-10-15 03:00:53 EDT (#)
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this was not picked up by the media?
typcial...
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The Daily Show picked it up!
Wait......
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-10-15 03:00:53 EDT (#)
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this was not picked up by the media?
typcial...
Submitted by FilledwithHate (user info) at 2008-10-15 02:49:05 EDT (#)
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ubmitted by lungfish (user info) at 2008-10-15 02:37:45 EDT (#)
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oh duck it Ihad lots toda y. Goad damn. Both canddiates repestent the ....or ....rehatehre.. the satnad n fo rhthe same...tis isne't dogin sp we;;/ ficl ot/
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Where can I score some of whatever you have?
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2008-10-15 02:37:45 EDT (#)
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oh duck it Ihad lots toda y. Goad damn. Both canddiates repestent the ....or ....rehatehre.. the satnad n fo rhthe same...tis isne't dogin sp we;;/ ficl ot/
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-10-15 02:36:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-15 02:18:28 EDT (#)
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the last time i was there, i was standing next to some missiles that were launched and i thought to myself, "that is really fuckin' cool". then when they hit, they hit a hospital on accident and killed innocent people
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that's awesome. those iraqi are free now at least. lol
Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2008-10-15 02:27:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-10-15 02:08:47 EDT (#)
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yeah this is such a big deal. he obviously meant that no arab can be a decent family man because he didn't explicitly say so.
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Are you American? You sound a little too level-headed for it.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-15 02:26:20 EDT (#)
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NIGGER!
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Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-10-15 02:08:47 EDT (#)
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yeah this is such a big deal. he obviously meant that no arab can be a decent family man because he didn't explicitly say so.
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i'm amazed that people are completely missing the point here.... when someone says something so overtly racist in public.... oh fuck it. i'm wasting my time.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-15 02:18:28 EDT (#)
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i agree with you, Caul. Americans do get carried away. especially me. i don't mean to, but i really am upset about the bad decisions our government and president has made these past 8 years. i am allowed to be really pissed off about things like Iraq. i was there. i was right there when innocent people died. the last time i was there, i was standing next to some missiles that were launched and i thought to myself, "that is really fuckin' cool". then when they hit, they hit a hospital on accident and killed innocent people. then i realized how not cool it really was. i've seen a lot of fucked up shit that should have never happened. you're damn right i'm emotional about it. and i'm not going to change.
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-10-15 02:08:47 EDT (#)
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yeah this is such a big deal. he obviously meant that no arab can be a decent family man because he didn't explicitly say so.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-10-15 02:06:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-15 01:39:34 EDT (#)
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>>>yeah, i get what you're saying. we should just be quiet when you disagree with something.
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that's not what i meant. and i wasn't necessarily talking about you. i'm talking about people like Jack or Stabkill or others who use more decibels than actual arguments. you don't try to discuss with these idiots (that's what i meant by getting carried away). you either tell them to stfu (like you did) or ignore them.
pretty much like you have to do when a child interrupts an adult conversation. you get back to talking when the child stfu either because you forced him to or he realizes it on his own seeing no one cares.
that's the only way of having a civil conversation, otherwise, as seen in the reviews below, it shoots in every direction and has little content.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-10-15 01:46:08 EDT (#)
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though to be fair, there seems to be a growing number of yanks who are tired of hearing idiots monopolize the political discourse:
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-14 16:45:59 EDT (#)
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Jack, i'm sorry, but you have no business discussing politics or complex social and economic issues with the adults here because frankly, you're a fuckin' retard.
so please do us all a favor and stop.
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rofl, in a meritocracy, Jack would not be a loudmouthed cat fucker. he'd sit at the bottom of the ladder in silence, grateful he'd be allowed to exist.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-15 01:39:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-10-15 01:24:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-10-15 00:22:07 EDT (#)
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lol, you people get so emotional when comes election year
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maybe because unlike Canada, when we have a fucked up president, it can affect the rest of the world in negative ways. it's kind of a big deal. i know it's hard for a Canadian to understand.
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oh so you're saying americans (over)react like this because they worry about the WORLD? lol, spare me. from what i seen, americans voters, like everyone else, worry about their own interest. taxes is one of the central issues, among world crucial issues like flag pins, abortion, gay marriage, pastors or stuff like that of course.
>>>of course most Americans are worried about themselves. a lot of people are inherently self-centered. big surprise... i don't care if you believe this or not, but i DO worry about the rest of the world. i don't want to see other people in other countries die needlessly because of our irresponsible government. wow... i almost sound like a human being. i better shut up.
i think the problem lies more in the fact that you have a two system party who when you think about it, have very little differences between each others ideologically. so your presidential elections look more like coronations than anything else, but the democratic process (more like a show) still takes place, with the media creating adversity and conflicts out of nothing. that's my perspective from up here anyway.
>>>yes, the democratic process still takes place. but when the party that i don't agree with is in power, things happen that i don't like.
and many canucks do get overly emotional about politics. they are what we call stupid people, the same kind of people that would yell out their uninformed opinons at a dinner table, while everybody looks at each other awkwardly in silence wondering who the hell invited them. but it just seems that even intelligent people get carried away in those retarded conversations in the US.
>>>yeah, i get what you're saying. we should just be quiet when you disagree with something.
*BLANK STARE*
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-10-15 01:24:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-15 00:42:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-10-15 00:22:07 EDT (#)
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lol, you people get so emotional when comes election year
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maybe because unlike Canada, when we have a fucked up president, it can affect the rest of the world in negative ways. it's kind of a big deal. i know it's hard for a Canadian to understand.
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oh so you're saying americans (over)react like this because they worry about the WORLD? lol, spare me. from what i seen, americans voters, like everyone else, worry about their own interest. taxes is one of the central issues, among world crucial issues like flag pins, abortion, gay marriage, pastors or stuff like that of course.
i think the problem lies more in the fact that you have a two system party who when you think about it, have very little differences between each others ideologically. so your presidential elections look more like coronations than anything else, but the democratic process (more like a show) still takes place, with the media creating adversity and conflicts out of nothing. that's my perspective from up here anyway.
and many canucks do get overly emotional about politics. they are what we call stupid people, the same kind of people that would yell out their uninformed opinons at a dinner table, while everybody looks at each other awkwardly in silence wondering who the hell invited them. but it just seems that even intelligent people get carried away in those retarded conversations in the US.
mes deux cents.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-15 00:57:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilledwithHate (user info) at 2008-10-14 20:20:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-10-14 15:34:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-14 14:16:28 EDT (#)
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i run this bitch like the mofuckin' mafia, suckas.
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Sweet Jesus. It's 'muhfuckin.'
As a counterpoint I have to say I too am appalled that the McCain camp is going for personal attacks, especially when (in my opinion) there is so much to attack regarding the issues.
I think this is the first election I can remember where I don't hate one or the other running for Prez. I disagree with quite a lot, but there is no hate or loathing.
I think Obama will get in. For all those who vote for him, don't come in here over the next 4 to 8 and bitch when April 15th rolls around.
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Jack as the calm, collected voice of reason--what a weird election!
My taxes might go up a little (35% to 39.6% on the amount over the margin), but I promise not to whine.
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i won't whine, either. i've been paying over 50 grand in taxes the past three years. i'm ok with that. i'm not always happy with how the money is spent, but hey, the Rolling Stones said it best- you can't always get what you want. that's life. nobody ever tried to claim it was fair.
i honestly won't be pissed off if people like me that make a lot of money pay more in taxes. i think the middle class should be taxed less and i think rich people can afford to be taxed more.
i still can't figure out why people keep saying that Obama is going to raise taxes. he keeps saying he wants to cut taxes. there's probably only like 3 people on ubersite at the most that are in a tax bracket that might get it's taxes raised if Obama gets his way. guess what- i won't be crying for them because they make more money than me.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-15 00:42:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-10-15 00:22:07 EDT (#)
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lol, you people get so emotional when comes election year
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maybe because unlike Canada, when we have a fucked up president, it can affect the rest of the world in negative ways. it's kind of a big deal. i know it's hard for a Canadian to understand.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-15 00:32:30 EDT (#)
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who the fuck is giving other religions more of a chance than christianity, Jack? i think all religions are fucked up and you have to be insane on some level to believe in any of them.
and no one said Falwell is a fucking terrorist. we're saying his ideology is the same. he's trying to fucking act like 3,000 people deserved to die just because some states want to allow gays to marry. and his followers go along with that notion. that's fucking dangerous as fuck. DANGEROUS AS FUCK. that kind of hate is just not welcome in my fucking world. so what if a dude wants to suck another dude's dick. if you don't like it, don't fucking do it. but if someone else wants to do it, what's the fucking problem? how does it affect you in any way, shape, or form???
Falwell is a piece of shit bigot, spewing hate and intolerance. and don't act like some christians don't commit acts of terrorism on behalf of their leaders. they may not do it on the same scale as muslim extremists, but they still do it. if you look at history, most of the fucked up shit that has happened was done in the name of religion- mostly islam and christianity.
stop trying to act like just because Falwell followers aren't crashing planes into buildings that the guy isn't like Osama.
Submitted by haikumikoo (user info) at 2008-10-15 00:24:16 EDT (#)
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Homo.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-10-15 00:22:07 EDT (#)
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lol, you people get so emotional when comes election year
Submitted by PepsiCoke (user info) at 2008-10-15 00:09:07 EDT (#)
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Personally I think they are all full of shit but this country has gone overboard in slamming Christians up the ass
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HAHAHAHAHAHA
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-10-14 23:26:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by stucker (user info) at 2008-10-14 10:07:26 EDT (#)
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'folks like Falwell' aren't blowing up buildings, Luther.
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Osama didnt blow the buildings up himself either, he had his little cronies do it.
Ever hear of abortion clinics getting blown up by christians?
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The point being made is that abortion clinic bombings were not done at Falwell's request. Osama's followers did as he asked. If you can't see the difference you are in deep shit.
And I am willing to bet that Oathmeal, like me, is not a Christian or a believer in God.
Personally I think they are all full of shit but this country has gone overboard in slamming Christians up the ass and giving every other religion a pass. THAT is what is pissing me off.
If you're gonna shit on religion, you can't be selective. Otherwise you are just as bad as any follower defending their belief over another.
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2008-10-14 22:57:49 EDT (#)
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My worthless two cents offered to this folly:
I'll support Obama before McCain (am still leaning towards Tom Waits, however), but I thought McCain responded rather admirably -- immediately and plausibly. I understand your underlying concerns, but, as somebody said below, it's not as though he had time to develop a well reasoned response. Rather, he *reacted* with a counter position. Better this than smiling and nodding approvingly and shouting "whoop whoop" or something.
Still, they're both fuck-nuts.
Submitted by Havoc (user info) at 2008-10-14 22:51:50 EDT (#)
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Obama is a fucking corrupt, racist, piece of shit. I havent posted on this site in years but this brought me out. Ill probably be banned again. I was banned years ago for my pro-gun beleifs. You liberals hate free speech huh Bart Bart?
I would rather Obama be a Muslim than a Black Liberation Theoligist. PERIOD. Most Muslims are decent people. Black Liberationists, on the other hand are rotten to the core.
Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2008-10-14 22:46:14 EDT (#)
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Right.
I fully support obama but THIS is retarded.
Let's just look at it structurally.
I don't trust Obama. I have read about him and he's an Arab.
Sen. John McCain: No ma'am, no ma'am. He's a decent family man, citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues. That's what this campaign is all about. He's not, thank you.
First McCain informs her that she is incorrect about the trustworthiness as decent and trust work better together than decent and Arab.
Next he informs her that Obama is a citizen-meaning NOT an arab. Literally. To further the point he once again states that obama is not an arab.
In short shut the fuck up you stupid jew.
Just kidding, I love your people.
Wait, was that racist?
OH NOES!1!
Submitted by iambetteratit (user info) at 2008-10-14 22:21:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by stucker (user info) at 2008-10-14 10:07:26 EDT (#)
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'folks like Falwell' aren't blowing up buildings, Luther.
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Osama didnt blow the buildings up himself either, he had his little cronies do it.
Ever hear of abortion clinics getting blown up by christians?
You religious types are all fucking wackjobs.
As for Obama, fuck it. Maybe that nigger will actually fix something. I mean it can't get much worse
Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2008-10-14 21:35:22 EDT (#)
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McCain seemed (to me) to be saying that "Race is not an issue. Obama's personality is not as issue. He's a fundamentally decent person. What IS an issue is his policy which, at a basic level, conflicts with our most firm principles"
I'm well left wing, but what you quoted McCain as saying seemed extremely diplomatic and refreshing coming from a republican candidate.
You, on the other hand, sound like a frothing placard-stand.
Submitted by PepsiCoke (user info) at 2008-10-14 21:15:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-10-14 19:35:08 EDT (#)
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Razor, you have strayed from political discussion into willful ignorance, and so I'm done playing in your sandbox. You won't face the facts no matter how loudly I say you should and I won't stop doing so no matter how loudly you say I should. Vote for Obama if you like. If you're in Florida I'll cancel that vote. If not, mine will be one more to keep the Obama trainwreck from happening.
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I'm in Florida and voting Obama. Not that I need to, and not that Obama even needs to win Florida.
The train has been wrecked for at least eight years, and John McCain's plans are laughable. It's very easy to attack Obama, because he is far from perfect. It's a lot harder to say something positive about McCain's proposals. I honestly can't think of one issue in which McCain makes more sense than Obama.
You can join the 30% of America that is Evangelical Christian in voting for McCain, and I'll stick with sanity.
Submitted by FilledwithHate (user info) at 2008-10-14 20:20:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-14 14:16:28 EDT (#)
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i run this bitch like the mofuckin' mafia, suckas.
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Sweet Jesus. It's 'muhfuckin.'
As a counterpoint I have to say I too am appalled that the McCain camp is going for personal attacks, especially when (in my opinion) there is so much to attack regarding the issues.
I think this is the first election I can remember where I don't hate one or the other running for Prez. I disagree with quite a lot, but there is no hate or loathing.
I think Obama will get in. For all those who vote for him, don't come in here over the next 4 to 8 and bitch when April 15th rolls around.
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Jack as the calm, collected voice of reason--what a weird election!
My taxes might go up a little (35% to 39.6% on the amount over the margin), but I promise not to whine.
Submitted by FilledwithHate (user info) at 2008-10-14 20:14:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-10-14 16:07:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2008-10-14 15:44:30 EDT (#)
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skrapmetal, you're just totally wrong on all counts.
Here's CNN's 2006 breakdown of the vote by age, religion, income, etc.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/US/H/00/epolls.0.html
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Thanks for putting that up - it helps to make my point. Look at the numbers. The younger and poorer and non-whiter you are - all reasons regularly touted by innumerable groups as excuses for lack of education and and increased dependance on government assistance - the more likely you are to vote democrat in order to keep that cycle going.
Also, Fun Fact: Jimmy Carter ran and won the Presidency in 1976. 2006 election results are not relevant statistics as far as determining who put him in office.
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Skrap, to be fair I am sure Razor is referring to likely Obama supporters (not 1976 Carter supporters) and the 2006 election would be the best metric for that. And while you are right about income, note there was a trend for better educated, especially post-graduate educated persons, to vote Democrat.
I myself am a latte-sipping, Ph.D. educated, high tax-bracket person never expecting welfare type as are most of my friends, all for Obama. The only guy I personally know voting for McCain kills termites for a living and did not finish college (but he makes a good living at that).
Submitted by shadow (user info) at 2008-10-14 19:43:46 EDT (#)
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Hey man, it's okay. Just get out and vote for who you think is best. Together, we can change the world.
/shits rainbows
On a side note,
I BET YOU MISS YOUR OLD BLUE STATE NOW.
*Ahem, uh, and Happy Birthday.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-10-14 19:35:08 EDT (#)
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Razor, you have strayed from political discussion into willful ignorance, and so I'm done playing in your sandbox. You won't face the facts no matter how loudly I say you should and I won't stop doing so no matter how loudly you say I should. Vote for Obama if you like. If you're in Florida I'll cancel that vote. If not, mine will be one more to keep the Obama trainwreck from happening.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2008-10-14 18:45:26 EDT (#)
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You know what she meant by saying that, and you know what he meant in his response.
Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2008-10-14 18:06:24 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Snark (user info) at 2008-10-14 17:14:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-10-14 16:56:04 EDT (#)
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Can't you read?
I said, "I think Falwell is a misguided, deluded gasbag..."
Comparing Falwell's hot air to people who are actually blowing innocent bystanders to pieces in marketplaces, weddings, funerals, etc., is absurd.
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I'm getting confused, I thought JAck was talking about the comparison between Falwell and Al-Queda, but now he appears to be talking about the absurdity of comparing Falwell's hot air to the United States Armed Forces. WTF??
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ZOWIE!
Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2008-10-14 17:13:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-10-14 16:56:04 EDT (#)
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Can't you read?
I said, "I think Falwell is a misguided, deluded gasbag..."
Comparing Falwell's hot air to people who are actually blowing innocent bystanders to pieces in marketplaces, weddings, funerals, etc., is absurd.
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I'm getting confused, I thought JAck was talking about the comparison between Falwell and Al-Queda, but now he appears to be talking about the absurdity of comparing Falwell's hot air to the United States Armed Forces. WTF??
Submitted by shadow (user info) at 2008-10-14 17:11:30 EDT (#)
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Razor can poop on the fax machine and get a "most heated" post out the other end.
Say what you want, that's skill.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-10-14 17:08:33 EDT (#)
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-14 16:45:59 EDT (#)
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Jack, i'm sorry, but you have no business discussing politics or complex social and economic issues with the adults here because frankly, you're a fuckin' retard.
so please do us all a favor and stop.
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I live within a stone's throw of Oakland. I see this shit every day. I talk to people -gasp! BLACK people- who are desperate for it to change. Until you live here it's YOU who doesn't know shit. I live in a neighborhood filled with hardworking Latinos and we are surrounded by black and white trash who just want freebies from the gov't.
I was talking to an older black woman on the train just yesterday... the train that was delayed because a black teenager got shot dead at the station 1 stop from ours. Her sister's kid is 16 years old, has already left school, doesn't want a job, expects to get welfare just like that, and the kid weighs 300lbs. I am not making this up. The woman said they just can't get through to this kid because the kid sees others of her generation getting by without lifting a finger because they get freebies. All the kid wants to do is watch TV and get drunk or stoned and fuck.* This cycle has to be stopped.
*Granted that's all most of us want to do, but we work all day and only indulge in the evening or on weekends.
Go ahead, reply with OH JACK STFU RACIST YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT!!!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/14/BA8O13G8IT.DTL
Submitted by PepsiCoke (user info) at 2008-10-14 17:06:40 EDT (#)
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I think Jack is jealous that other people smoke weed and lead happy lives.
Submitted by shadow (user info) at 2008-10-14 17:06:33 EDT (#)
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Can I get a witness???
Uh, I mean, carry on.
Submitted by PepsiCoke (user info) at 2008-10-14 17:05:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-10-14 16:39:38 EDT (#)
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Oh I get it. Obama will raise the <carlsagan>BILLIONS and BILLIONS</carlsagan> he needs to put his proposals to work by ONLY taxing a few rich people.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Let's talk again in 2010.
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I'm sure you've done the math with Obama's and McCain's respective budgets and come to a rational conclusion. You wouldn't just spout garbage that you hear from right-wing pundits, right?
I know you're just a simple man with simple beliefs and a simple cat fetish, but McCain's tax plan is pretty damn similar to Bush's, except McCain claims he will cut down on pork barrel spending, which accounts for a negligibly small portion of our national budget. Bush has increased our federal deficit by 50%. McCain hasn't mentioned one thing other than pork barrel projects that he is going to seriously cut out of the budget. So he's going to lower the government's income by a lot, maintain all of our major current expenditures, and somehow his tax plan makes more sense than Obama's?
McCain's healthcare plan is the biggest joke of all. Within a few years of its implementation, the government will be spending more money on healthcare while covering fewer people.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-10-14 16:56:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-14 16:47:41 EDT (#)
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so Jack, you're saying that just because no one died yet(that you know of), that that kind of talk isn't dangerous?
what a fuckin' retard.
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Can't you read?
I said, "I think Falwell is a misguided, deluded gasbag..."
Comparing Falwell's hot air to people who are actually blowing innocent bystanders to pieces in marketplaces, weddings, funerals, etc., is absurd.
Submitted by MANICMOTHER (user info) at 2008-10-14 16:52:57 EDT (#)
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I come from a city that has the highest population of Arabs in the country.
The comment was racist. Period.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-14 16:47:41 EDT (#)
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so Jack, you're saying that just because no one died yet(that you know of), that that kind of talk isn't dangerous?
what a fuckin' retard.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-14 16:45:59 EDT (#)
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Jack, i'm sorry, but you have no business discussing politics or complex social and economic issues with the adults here because frankly, you're a fuckin' retard.
so please do us all a favor and stop.
Submitted by Snark (user info) at 2008-10-14 16:43:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-10-14 16:00:41 EDT (#)
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We need to cut back the freebies and give people (black and white freeloaders) a reason to get off of their asses, get jobs, and better themselves and their communities.
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Tough Love by Jack McCallum.
Unfortunately, there are a whole slew of countries that are far more socialized and far less plagued by crime.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-10-14 16:42:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-10-14 15:37:20 EDT (#)
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I know that Al-Qaeda is bad.I know that Wahhabi Islam is a poison to the world. But so is fundamentalist Christianity as preached by folks like Falwell...
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Get the fuck out. I think Falwell is a misguided, deluded gasbag, but comparing him to AL-QAEDA?
That's fucking insane.
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isn't this the guy that said 9/11 was America's punishment for supporting gay social issues?
trying to convince people that a made up man in the sky will punish you with death if you accept homosexuality, isn't the same as al-qaeda trying to convince people that a made up man in the sky will punish you with death (and not the kind with all the virgins) if you don't accept non-believers???
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Fill in the blanks. Rounded numbers are OK.
________ = # of people killed by fundamentalists who follow Falwell
________ = # of people killed by fundamentalists who follow al-Qeada
Submitted by sage104 (user info) at 2008-10-14 16:39:43 EDT (#)
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Oh yeah and by the by, I smoke weed. So there.
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-10-14 15:34:23 EDT (#)
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I think Obama will get in. For all those who vote for him, don't come in here over the next 4 to 8 and bitch when April 15th rolls around.
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Bitch about what? People tend to not bitch when their taxes are lower. Or were you only addressing the millionaires of Ubersite?
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Oh I get it. Obama will raise the <carlsagan>BILLIONS and BILLIONS</carlsagan> he needs to put his proposals to work by ONLY taxing a few rich people.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Let's talk again in 2010.
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-10-14 15:34:23 EDT (#)
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I think Obama will get in. For all those who vote for him, don't come in here over the next 4 to 8 and bitch when April 15th rolls around.
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Bitch about what? People tend to not bitch when their taxes are lower. Or were you only addressing the millionaires of Ubersite?
Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2008-10-14 16:34:58 EDT (#)
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skrap, fine. Allow me to pick apart what you said point by point.
"WOW is that wrong. Dems are relying on the same voter block that Jimmy Carter did - lower and lower middle class young people and urban dwellers who get more from the government that they give to it and resent those who have more and therefore are considered "rich". Hardly an educated or informed group, they are really a group easily led by baseless rhetoric like that found in music lyrics, television shows, and Barack Obama's fantastic and unworkable promises."
Your point was that stupid uneducated, easily swayed people are voting for Obama. My numbers put that myth to rest.
"Jimmy carter got into office by promising to legalize marijuana, and it got him almost every vote from anyone under 21 who actually voted. He couldn't deliver on that promise, of course, because it was just an unworkable ploy to get votes, "
I don't even care about this, so I'm not going to bother to research it.
"just like what Obama's doing by promising you an electric car and no new taxes (aside: please note that he doesn't say he won't jack your existing tares through the roof, and he will, and that is a lie of omission)."
Obama has laid out his economic and energy policies very clearly and for everyone to see.
He has not promised anyone an electric car, that is pure hyperbole. What he has said is that he's going to invest in renewable energy as part of a comprehensive package that includes offshore drilling to ease and eventually remove America's dependence on fossil fuels.
Obama has not promised no new taxes. Instead, he's made it quite clear that he intends to remove tax breaks the wealthy are currently enjoying. So, the wealthy will pay more taxes under Obama while the average middle class family will enjoy a tax break.
"Think it through before you vote, and remember what Jimmy Carter and his Democrat spending did to the economy."
I have thought it through. And before you go on about Jimmy Carter and his Democrat spending and what it did to the American economy, why don't you go about explaining what the Republican economic policies have done to us.
Submitted by sage104 (user info) at 2008-10-14 16:33:11 EDT (#)
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*say/imply
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Submitted by sage104 (user info) at 2008-10-14 15:34:46 EDT (#)
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To quote Lil Wayne in his "Misunderstood" song off of "Tha Carter III", who was quoting "this white guy" he apparently was listening to one day, "one in every one hundred Americans is locked up; one in every NINE BLACK AMERICANS is locked up" (emphasis added). We might want to look the other way and pretend like it's all in their heads, but the reality of the matter is that it's NOT in their heads. Oppression is real and CURRENT on the part of black Americans, regardless of whether we see it or want to see it or not.
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I think you'll find a different line of reasoning when you look into the number of white felons locked up compared to black felons. While the numbers are still heavily skewed in favor of the blacks, more and more of them are locked up based upon misdemeanors.
Besides, it's a well documented fact that black people are lazy and would prefer to sell drugs as opposed to work a 9-5...and I'll be gone til' November.
*runs and hides*
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Wayne DID say imply they were locked up for misdemeanors, which is whack in and of itself. I just didn't quote that part, although now in retrospect, perhaps I should have. Would have made for a better argument. I've been convicted of a misdemeanor and I never got locked up. Why? 'Cause Sage is a good little Christian white girl raised by good little conservative, rich, white parents. Had I been black and from the ghetto raised by a single mom on welfare, my story might have been different. Speculation? Maybe. Truth? Probably. We'll never know, though, will we?
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-14 16:32:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-10-14 15:37:20 EDT (#)
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I know that Al-Qaeda is bad.I know that Wahhabi Islam is a poison to the world. But so is fundamentalist Christianity as preached by folks like Falwell...
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Get the fuck out. I think Falwell is a misguided, deluded gasbag, but comparing him to AL-QAEDA?
That's fucking insane.
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isn't this the guy that said 9/11 was America's punishment for supporting gay social issues?
trying to convince people that a made up man in the sky will punish you with death if you accept homosexuality, isn't the same as al-qaeda trying to convince people that a made up man in the sky will punish you with death (and not the kind with all the virgins) if you don't accept non-believers???
Submitted by Sincere (user info) at 2008-10-14 16:32:17 EDT (#)
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I read that razor is a Jew, is this true?
Submitted by earth_collapse (user info) at 2008-10-14 16:26:40 EDT (#)
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All religion is a poison to the world.
Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2008-10-14 16:24:59 EDT (#)
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I think we can agree that people DO vote their economic self interest... people who are wealthy tend to vote Republican, and people who are poor tend to vote Democrat.
But of course, why are we bringing income into this? The original point was where educated people were placing their votes, and that's pretty clear.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-14 16:24:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-10-14 14:25:05 EDT (#)
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I would say that regardless of the skin color that there are poor people, people in bad neighborhoods that never get out because they are told by those around them that they can't get out. I would also say that those saying that are saying it MORE because they never tried and are ashamed, or tried and failed and don't want it to be know or they are comfortable in the idea of abusing the welfare system that we have in our country.
I'm sorry but I can't find room in my brain to be accepting of anyone that says they can't do something, for this reason or that.
But at the core of your argument, if I strip it down you're saying its ok for a black man to vote for a black man just because he's a black man...this one time because you like him.
I can't get around that, I think its a double standard that I'm not accepting of because it means on the flipside to poor white man can vote for McCain because he's white...and that's scary because there are far more poor whites than poor blacks in this country and that means McCain wins...and even scarier that means Palin wins...and I don't want that.
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ok, let me try to clarify further. i'm not ok with people voting for someone based on the color of their skin. i am saying i understand why blacks would vote for Obama because of the color of his skin. i'm saying i'm ok with it happening this time because it helps the guy i want to vote for. i'm not saying i agree with it.
damn.
Submitted by sage104 (user info) at 2008-10-14 16:22:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-10-14 16:00:41 EDT (#)
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BTW, I agree with this sentiment, although I have to side with Hidden in the fact that maybe the REASON they're a failure as a parent is because blacks living in ghettos are conditioned by their environment and other social factors (AND SHEER HISTORY) to believe that they are nothing and will never amount to anything.
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What a fuckin load. It's that kind of white guilt horseshit that sustains the welfare state supporting generations of uneducated blacks AND whites with no motivation.
Black leaders are the first ones asking that their people rise above that shit, but when you pigeonhole people and leave them no room for growth and then throw a little money at them to cover all of their basic needs (rent, food stamps, bus fare, etc.) EXCEPT getting high or drunk out of sheer skullfucking boredom you end with the Richmond district or Hunter's Point or Oakland (Oakland's murder rate this year topped 100, by the way).
Why stay in school past age 18? Who needs college or a job when all your shit is free? Except weed. Well, let's rip off that guy's ipod and sell it. Buy some weed. Yeah.
We need to cut back the freebies and give people (black and white freeloaders) a reason to get off of their asses, get jobs, and better themselves and their communities.
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Freeloader, my ass.
I WENT to Jerry Falwell's college, aka Liberty University, and broke bread with him AND all his conservative, rich ass cronies.
I graduated with a BS in Accounting and I'm currently pursuing my MS in Accountancy from Liberty's Distance Learning program. Uneducated? Unaware of what white, baptist, conservatives are teaching/preaching (in the same pulpit)? I think not.
I'm VERY MUCH aware of the Republican way of life. My dad is a staunch Republican, and a rich one, mind you. Myself? I'm well off, although everything I have I've worked for my DAMN self.
I've studied BOTH platforms and I truly believe that Obama can get the job done better, point blank, period.
I agree that people should be more motivated and not be lazy (white AND black) and that welfare should be only for those people who are injured (this is disability, though) or COMPLETELY unable to work for whatever reason. There should be no freeloading and I dont think Obama's platform directly or indirectly supports that notion whatsoever.
That liberals agree with freeloaders is a stupid old argument used by stupid old right wingers, and it is, you guessed it, stupid and old. Get a new fucking argument, for fuck's sake.
Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2008-10-14 16:22:16 EDT (#)
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Hmm... if you look at the numbers I posted, people with the highest education level (graduate degrees) trended significantly democrat... as did people with some amount of college or higher taken as a whole.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-10-14 16:11:05 EDT (#)
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"...all reasons regularly touted by innumerable groups as excuses for lack of education and and increased dependance on government assistance..."
Hmmm, we sort of said the same thing there, skrap. Weird.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-10-14 16:07:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2008-10-14 15:44:30 EDT (#)
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skrapmetal, you're just totally wrong on all counts.
Here's CNN's 2006 breakdown of the vote by age, religion, income, etc.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/US/H/00/epolls.0.html
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Thanks for putting that up - it helps to make my point. Look at the numbers. The younger and poorer and non-whiter you are - all reasons regularly touted by innumerable groups as excuses for lack of education and and increased dependance on government assistance - the more likely you are to vote democrat in order to keep that cycle going.
Also, Fun Fact: Jimmy Carter ran and won the Presidency in 1976. 2006 election results are not relevant statistics as far as determining who put him in office.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-10-14 16:00:41 EDT (#)
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BTW, I agree with this sentiment, although I have to side with Hidden in the fact that maybe the REASON they're a failure as a parent is because blacks living in ghettos are conditioned by their environment and other social factors (AND SHEER HISTORY) to believe that they are nothing and will never amount to anything.
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What a fuckin load. It's that kind of white guilt horseshit that sustains the welfare state supporting generations of uneducated blacks AND whites with no motivation.
Black leaders are the first ones asking that their people rise above that shit, but when you pigeonhole people and leave them no room for growth and then throw a little money at them to cover all of their basic needs (rent, food stamps, bus fare, etc.) EXCEPT getting high or drunk out of sheer skullfucking boredom you end with the Richmond district or Hunter's Point or Oakland (Oakland's murder rate this year topped 100, by the way).
Why stay in school past age 18? Who needs college or a job when all your shit is free? Except weed. Well, let's rip off that guy's ipod and sell it. Buy some weed. Yeah.
We need to cut back the freebies and give people (black and white freeloaders) a reason to get off of their asses, get jobs, and better themselves and their communities.
Submitted by weather (user info) at 2008-10-14 15:58:16 EDT (#)
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Man, I just got the worst hankering for some Church's fried chicken. Any one else?
Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2008-10-14 15:58:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-10-14 13:02:31 EDT (#)
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i'm voting for gilles duceppe this afternoon.
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Fucker. The bloc is a totally disfunctional party now, and do nothing but act as a mouthpiece for Quebec unions, and floundering QB mnfg corps looking for handouts.
Conservatives FTW.
Submitted by weather (user info) at 2008-10-14 15:56:45 EDT (#)
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So, who's up for a game of bones or spades?
Submitted by weather (user info) at 2008-10-14 15:55:26 EDT (#)
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Oh, and did I mention that some of my best friends are black? It's true!
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Submitted by sage104 (user info) at 2008-10-14 15:34:46 EDT (#)
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To quote Lil Wayne in his "Misunderstood" song off of "Tha Carter III", who was quoting "this white guy" he apparently was listening to one day, "one in every one hundred Americans is locked up; one in every NINE BLACK AMERICANS is locked up" (emphasis added). We might want to look the other way and pretend like it's all in their heads, but the reality of the matter is that it's NOT in their heads. Oppression is real and CURRENT on the part of black Americans, regardless of whether we see it or want to see it or not.
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I think you'll find a different line of reasoning when you look into the number of white felons locked up compared to black felons. While the numbers are still heavily skewed in favor of the blacks, more and more of them are locked up based upon misdemeanors.
Besides, it's a well documented fact that black people are lazy and would prefer to sell drugs as opposed to work a 9-5...and I'll be gone til' November.
*runs and hides*
Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2008-10-14 15:44:30 EDT (#)
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skrapmetal, you're just totally wrong on all counts.
Here's CNN's 2006 breakdown of the vote by age, religion, income, etc.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/US/H/00/epolls.0.html
Submitted by sage104 (user info) at 2008-10-14 15:40:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-10-14 15:37:20 EDT (#)
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I know that Al-Qaeda is bad.I know that Wahhabi Islam is a poison to the world. But so is fundamentalist Christianity as preached by folks like Falwell...
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Get the fuck out. I think Falwell is a misguided, deluded gasbag, but comparing him to AL-QAEDA?
That's fucking insane.
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Jerry Falwell is dead; at least the original is dead.
Submitted by sage104 (user info) at 2008-10-14 15:37:42 EDT (#)
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Oh, and just 'cause I can, let me say that I'm voting for Obama. Not because he's white OR black (he is, after all, both), but because his platform makes the most sense to me, logically, and I believe he's the best man for the job.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-10-14 15:37:20 EDT (#)
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I know that Al-Qaeda is bad.I know that Wahhabi Islam is a poison to the world. But so is fundamentalist Christianity as preached by folks like Falwell...
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Get the fuck out. I think Falwell is a misguided, deluded gasbag, but comparing him to AL-QAEDA?
That's fucking insane.
Submitted by sage104 (user info) at 2008-10-14 15:34:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-10-14 13:06:49 EDT (#)
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additionally what a kid grows up to be....should not be based on the other people like him and what they do. Parents teach kids to be confident and that they can do great things and if they don't then they are a failure as a parent, regardless of their skin color.
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BTW, I agree with this sentiment, although I have to side with Hidden in the fact that maybe the REASON they're a failure as a parent is because blacks living in ghettos are conditioned by their environment and other social factors (AND SHEER HISTORY) to believe that they are nothing and will never amount to anything.
When I was growing up, my father told me that as a single parent of three, he looked UP to black women who were single mothers. Because not only as a woman, but as a BLACK woman, they had to survive many treacherous conditions imposed on them by white people and society and other "environmental factors" (to quote Hidden).
To quote Lil Wayne in his "Misunderstood" song off of "Tha Carter III", who was quoting "this white guy" he apparently was listening to one day, "one in every one hundred Americans is locked up; one in every NINE BLACK AMERICANS is locked up" (emphasis added). We might want to look the other way and pretend like it's all in their heads, but the reality of the matter is that it's NOT in their heads. Oppression is real and CURRENT on the part of black Americans, regardless of whether we see it or want to see it or not.
As a result, blacks have become racist against white people. Who can blame them, really? They have been taught (by us) to believe that we believe that they are inferior, and therefore, we are looked upon as the enemy.
If they want to vote for Obama because he's 1/2 black and that's the SOLE reason they want to vote for him, fine. If KKK members want to vote for McCain simply because he's white, that's fine too. Shit...it's a fucking free country.
I think Hidden's point is that Obama, being a black, American man, understands the oppression imposed on black people. I'm pretty sure that it's safe to say that McCain neither understands nor supports the KKK, but they will vote for him anyway because that's their belief system.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-10-14 15:34:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-10-14 14:16:28 EDT (#)
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i run this bitch like the mofuckin' mafia, suckas.
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Sweet Jesus. It's 'muhfuckin.'
As a counterpoint I have to say I too am appalled that the McCain camp is going for personal attacks, especially when (in my opinion) there is so much to attack regarding the issues.
I think this is the first election I can remember where I don't hate one or the other running for Prez. I disagree with quite a lot, but there is no hate or loathing.
I think Obama will get in. For all those who vote for him, don't come in here over the next 4 to 8 and bitch when April 15th rolls around.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-10-14 15:28:22 EDT (#)
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it's pretty funny that Republicans are really relying on the racists and ignorant people so much while Democrats are relying on the educated and informed.
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WOW is that wrong. Dems are relying on the same voter block that Jimmy Carter did - lower and lower middle class young people and urban dwellers who get more from the government that they give to it and resent those who have more and therefore are considered "rich". Hardly an educated or in