Bring Back America: Part 1 (3874 hits)
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Submitted by nitty (View user info) at 2008-11-25 08:39:16 EST
This country is in trouble.
To all Uberusers outside of our borders - piss off. You most likely have your own domestic problems, and you probably hate the U.S. already. So be it.
America's problem is not Bush (the former or the current). It is not President-Elect Obama. It is not the bankers, the mortgage companies, the unemployment rate, or the price of gas. Those are all contributing factors to the larger dilemma: The rampant apathy and lack of self preservation of the majority of the American population.
Today's Lesson: Welfare - a system that's eating us from the inside like a cancer.
And before you cry "RACIST" - like I expect many of you will - consider this: Whites make up 38.8% of welfare recipients. Blacks comprise but 37.2%. This isn't about skin color.
1. Limit welfare to a MAXIMUM term of 24 months. Unconditionally. No excuses, no do-overs.
This rule is designed to motivate. I refuse to believe a genuinely motivated person can go 6 months without finding a job. Not a management job or a fun, easy job - any job. Some means of work for pay in order to put food on the table. Push a broom, wash a car, flip a burger, but get out and work. During an individual's term on public assistance, their benefits will decrease by 5% after the first 6 months, and 10% after months 12 and 18, so that IF they remain on the dole for the entire 2 year span, their benefits at the end of the term are 25% less than they were at the beginning. In order to facilitate working, offer child care credits to all welfare recipients that decline at the same rate as the financial assistance.
2. Effective immediately, no illegal immigrants are eligible for public assistance of any kind. At all. Ever.
We have too much domestic turmoil, and we can't afford to pay for you, too. If you're an illegal then we're happy to patriate you - just go through all of the legal channels and begin paying taxes. Otherwise, go home. Should any illegal require citizenship, they must apply and will be immediately granted 3 months amnesty during which they must complete the naturalization process. At the end of 3 months, if they are not a citizen, they are immediately deported.
3. All women on welfare, between the ages of 14 and 45, are required to receive a surgical birth control implant.
At the same time, develop a male birth control method less permanent than vascectomy and apply it to all males on welfare over the age of 14. If a recipient already has children, their benefits will be closely monitored to ensure the monies are spent for the well being of the children. If not, the children will be removed from the home. This is simple, and current political leaders are too scared of the backlash to even address it. If a person is unable to sustain their own livlihood, they should not be allowed to reproduce.
4. Personalize all food stamps and government vouchers with an ID number. Issue each welfare recipient a photo ID card containing this same number (a barcode system would work as well).
No more selling food stamps for booze, drugs, or sex. The same person who is issued the coupons are required to use them. Food markets throughout the country will be tied into the same barcoded system and only certain items will be available for purchase. Meat. Produce. Canned goods. Breads. Dairy. No sheet cakes or scented candles. The taxpayers are paying for these people to sustain themselves, not to waste the money on frivilous items that are non-necessities.
5. Effective immediately, welfare recipients lose all rights to vote.
As with any working person in any country, any position, any industry in the world - if given the chance they would vote themselves a raise. Welfare recipients are no different. Historically they have voted along party lines most likely to raise their standard of living, with complete disregard to who might raise their standard of life. If a person cannot be self sufficient, he or she loses the right to choose our leaders. All they will do, in a nutshell, is vote for more money in their pockets, with little concern as to where that money might come from.
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Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2008-12-01 16:50:12 EST (#)
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I'm not reading the 350 or so responses before mine, but if you really think that the unemployed people and immigrants in this country are the source of my problems, you're a damn fool.
Submitted by FilledwithHate (user info) at 2008-12-01 15:56:12 EST (#)
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Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2008-11-30 08:29:39 EST (#)
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Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:27:20 EST (#)
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Let's tax the churches. Big time! Then pour that money into social programs.
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or we could claim the church's assets by eminent domain and pay off the national debt.
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Just want to point out that eminent domain cannot be used for this. It requires fair compensation for private proerty acquired for the common good.
Carry on.
Submitted by JulsInsane (user info) at 2008-12-01 15:41:26 EST (#)
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Here is the article that Skrap was talking about.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/5dldej
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-12-01 08:28:39 EST (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-11-27 11:24:32 EST (#)
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*sigh*
There's nothing wrong with it. WANTING to rise above it is simple.
ACHIEVING any measurable level of success is something else entirely.
It's a struggle Skrap. These super-jobs you speak of aren't simply laying in wait out there. The general area Corn Nugget and I live in is filled with unemployment on all income levels. You don't think either of us would rather work full-time and be MudWhistle Rich? She's trying the best she can with what she has available and I do what I can with what I can do. I can't even fathom having to figure another person into the equation like she does.
But it doesn't matter.
Muddy, Indo and Hadley have twisted my words, taken statements out of contexts and relied on half stories to paint me as a lazy monster leeching off SSDI. That's fine. I'm not going to waste anymore time trying to explain things to them. They're either just 1. looking for a fight, or 2. have they're ideas set.
In the end, it's all well & good for the rich & healthy to tell people like me to go scrub toilets for a living, but when that's not going to actually pay my rent OR my medication bills...
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First of all....don't latch on the Corn's struggle and compare them to your own. Her situation seems just where you just seem lazy.
The second line of what you wrote here seems in direct conflict with the last line of what you wrote...to me at least. Achieving is always attainable but you seem to think that you're entitled to a job other than scrubbing toilets (if you even qualify for that one) and if it takes 3 of those jobs to get buy and giving up the nights out with friends and sleeping half the day away then that's what it takes.
You seem to have a problem with the fact that I do well in life, I'm not rich by any sense and it wasn't just handed to me. I've had a job every day of my life since I'm 12 years old and some of them were pretty fucking shitty but I've put my time in on the shit jobs and if I'm without one at anytime now I can a) handle the financial burden of it and b) its on my own terms.
Great jobs are out there....you just don't get them by simply asking...you have to earn them and that means plenty of shit sandwiches in the mean time.
All of our posturing aside, yours and mine, when it boils down to it you are capable of working and do not. Whatever contributions you made to the SSDI have long since run out and you are not suckling the tit of the working man whilst earning money under the table and circumventing the system with your intellectual property (although I venture your "royalties" aren't breaking any records currently).
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2008-11-30 15:22:50 EST (#)
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Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2008-11-29 07:50:59 EST (#)
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And yes, to clairfy, I am not REALLY going to quit my job because of "the system", I'm just pointing out how flawed the system is if it makes it beneficial to quit my job.
As far as feeling entiltled to welfare, of course I am. I've paid taxes since I was 16. Right NOW I fall into an income bracket that allows for daycare assistance. If I chose not to accept this benefit, I would not be able to work.
Even when I was working full time, making 13 bucks an hour (which, believe it or not, is a good wage in my area), I couldn't afford my 500 dollar a month rent, etc... Because at that time I was not elegible for any assistance, so I was paying for rent, daycare, blah blah blah, and my income did not cover everything.
So at that point I made the decision to go back to school, because that really is the only way for me to dig myself out of this hole I'm in. I found a part time job, enrolled in school, and with the government paying for my daycare, I was actually financially a bit better off, and I wasn't struggling so hard to keep afloat.
But that brings us to the current development of having to pay 600 a month for healthcare, which of course, I wasn't prepared for.
Now I am off to work. :)
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I don't know that anyone faults you, or disagrees with the concept of a public safety net that invests in people and gets them back on their feet. When I was in social work, however, I did see women ENCOURAGED to abuse the system (which granted, is a revolving door business model) by having children. This was an incredibly bad idea. It burdened the mother, it burdened the tax payer, and it screwed the kids over.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2008-11-30 15:16:11 EST (#)
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How is birth control unreasonable or unethical? We pay for these people to eat. Asking them to limit the burden they place on society only seems reasobable.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-11-30 11:10:25 EST (#)
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Difference between corn and kaos.
One is working for a real world soution to getting off the govt handouts.
The other is hoping his books make him rich.
I have no problem at all with corn getting benefits.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-11-30 09:16:28 EST (#)
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London's Daily Mail profiled two 10-children British families in October to illustrate the inconsistencies of government benefit awards. Sean and Anne Tate and their children live on Sean's truck-driver salary of the equivalent of about $23,000 a year, plus the government's standard per-child benefit. Harry Crompton has been out of work for 15 years, and his wife, Tracey, has never held a paid job, yet they receive the equivalent of $48,000 in various government benefits, which The Daily Mail said would require a tax-paying family to earn the equivalent of $68,000 a year to draw. The Daily Mail reporter also noted that the Tate home is immaculate and the Cromptons' home, messy. [Daily Mail, 10-17-08]
Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2008-11-30 08:29:39 EST (#)
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Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:27:20 EST (#)
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Let's tax the churches. Big time! Then pour that money into social programs.
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or we could claim the church's assets by eminent domain and pay off the national debt.
Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2008-11-30 08:28:45 EST (#)
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making those decisions would result in a number of deaths. As the person making that decision, you have to bave to be morally OK with saying "having y dollars more is worth x deaths."
that's what you're saying, right?
Submitted by regal1975 (user info) at 2008-11-29 23:54:08 EST (#)
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I agree with almost all of this.. Illegals.. They deserve some rights...they contribute, they should contribute more, and should have the chance to contribute more...
Welfare.. I agree.. can it..I have been on unemployment for 2 months now.. unemployed for 5. Got off of active duty in the Marines and have been looking to start a new career. I waited as long as I could before needing to claim unemployment. I saved beforehand and have been going to school for my new career. Local events caused a downturn in my new job (firefighter) but I have set a date (very soon) at which point I will get a job.. any job at all. I fully intend to go back to the fast food rest. I worked at 10 years ago if nothing happens in my new career path soon. I at least have plan, but people who NEVER plan to get a job are killing this country...
Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2008-11-29 07:50:59 EST (#)
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And yes, to clairfy, I am not REALLY going to quit my job because of "the system", I'm just pointing out how flawed the system is if it makes it beneficial to quit my job.
As far as feeling entiltled to welfare, of course I am. I've paid taxes since I was 16. Right NOW I fall into an income bracket that allows for daycare assistance. If I chose not to accept this benefit, I would not be able to work.
Even when I was working full time, making 13 bucks an hour (which, believe it or not, is a good wage in my area), I couldn't afford my 500 dollar a month rent, etc... Because at that time I was not elegible for any assistance, so I was paying for rent, daycare, blah blah blah, and my income did not cover everything.
So at that point I made the decision to go back to school, because that really is the only way for me to dig myself out of this hole I'm in. I found a part time job, enrolled in school, and with the government paying for my daycare, I was actually financially a bit better off, and I wasn't struggling so hard to keep afloat.
But that brings us to the current development of having to pay 600 a month for healthcare, which of course, I wasn't prepared for.
Now I am off to work. :)
Submitted by TheGoat (user info) at 2008-11-28 20:32:50 EST (#)
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i work hard so people on welfare don't have to
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=H8iZ8jIqrQo
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-11-28 18:43:41 EST (#)
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Submitted by bart (user info) at 2008-11-26 03:04:32 EST (#)
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I'm not sure how you could look at what's happening in the country right now and come to the conclusion that the poor people are what's wrong with America.
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The only intelligent comment on the post.
Submitted by Tokerson (user info) at 2008-11-28 17:39:55 EST (#)
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Damn blacks.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-11-28 11:30:34 EST (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-11-27 11:24:32 EST (#)
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Muddy, Indo and Hadley have twisted my words, taken statements out of contexts and relied on half stories to paint me as a lazy monster leeching off SSDI. That's fine. I'm not going to waste anymore time trying to explain things to them. They're either just 1. looking for a fight, or 2. have they're ideas set.
In the end, it's all well & good for the rich & healthy to tell people like me to go scrub toilets for a living, but when that's not going to actually pay my rent OR my medication bills...
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Actually in my high school janitors pulled down a good wage, by working overtime at all the sporting events. Don't know if it is the same everyere, but people do it.
Garbage collection doesn't pay too bad either, and allows you to work another job in the afternoon (my neighbor in my old house collected garbage in the morning and then spent the rest of the day in a cab).
I find it hard to believe there is no intermediate coverage for your medication that the govt wouldn't cover. But lets say everything you say in "your favor" is true, everything that hurts your argument (the drinking, the smoking, etc) is exaggerated, and that you actively look for govt programs that could help you and any typs of job that could cover your expenses (doubtful), so what?
You are still the guy who chose to piss away the opportunity of getting an education (I seem to remember you going to college for a while) that could provide a good job for you and chose to fufill your fantasy of being an artist, and now I am supposed to be okay with you suckiling off the govt tit? Doesn't work that way. You are the fucking grasshopper, but you won't even admit it is your responsibility.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-11-28 09:04:01 EST (#)
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Genko - I did not say that all poor people are lazy and could do better if they'd only try. I did say that the "I get more money on welfare than if I worked, so why should I work?" mentality inhibits a person who carries that thought from trying to do better than the minimum for themselves. If the highest goal one sets for oneself is "I want to get what the government will give me" then there is more than an economic problem evident; there is a self-worth problem. Do you think that the woman who works two minimum wage jobs to keep her kids fed and clothes and in school thinks that way? She could quit one job, quit or go to part time on the other, and get money for sitting around. She does not do this, because that woman values herself and family and the rewards of achievement more than she values free stuff. People from impoverished backgrounds and people with disabilites overcome those obstacles every day. I have no doubt that you know someone or may even be someone who came from a disadvantaged background and now does just fine without government assistance. The best (that's winningest, not richest) attorney I know is in a wheelchair. He and all those others did not allow their background to keep them from succeeding. You can ridicule me for saying thing like "Aspire to greatness", but even you must acknowledge that first wanting to do better for oneself and family and then acting to do better for oneself and family more often than not ends up improving ones lot in life. Do you remember your first paycheck? Mine was for $165, in 1977, and I remember it to this day. I've gotten bigger paychecks since then, but they don't mean as much as that first one does. That feeling should be of greater value than "It's the 1st of the month". That it seems to be of lesser value is a large part of the problem.
Kaos and Corn - OK, you win. I get it. You're in a crappy place and believe there's no way out for you. As long as you believe that, you'll be right. I still wish you so much success that you end up in the 70% tax bracket. I further wish that you see the stairway in front of you.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2008-11-28 04:12:27 EST (#)
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one for all and all for one!!
Submitted by Socialist_Joe (user info) at 2008-11-28 00:52:11 EST (#)
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your thinking way too small time
Submitted by Genko (user info) at 2008-11-27 23:25:01 EST (#)
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Genko - being on the dole might serve her immediate purposes IF she discounts what she owes to the people who are supporting that decision. That is the disconnect that she and you make; she and you think you're entitled to welfare. Her 'free' assistance isn't free at all - it's paid for by people who aren't taking from the system but giving to it. Claiming that she's better off on the dole is to her and you reason enough for inertia. To me it means that her benefits are too high and she has no external motivation to improve her lot in life. Add to that her apparent lack of internal motivation to improve her lot in life and you get "Why work when I get paid more to stay at home?"
Tell me: what exactly is wrong with wanting to rise above taking charity and becoming one who gives it? And if the people on welfare can't be bothered to want to do better, what exactly is wrong with ensuring that the system isn't abused by making it a better deal to work a job than be on welfare forever?
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First of all, I've never taken a dime of government assistance my whole life. I've been paying taxes since I got my first paper route at the age of 8.
Absolutely nothing is wrong with anything you said. Anybody who doesn't aspire to rise above where they are now is wasting their life. The problem I had with your reply was the general attitude with which you said it. "Aspire to greatness." Really? No shit? Here I was all this time aspiring to mediocrity, when all this time I could have just been aspiring to greatness. You suggest that corn_nugget should get a better job, as if there's one that somebody's just going to hand her as soon as she gets off the couch. You say that her current job is better than no job at all, which, from a strictly financial point of view, is incorrect. By the way, she still works that job despite it not being the best financial choice, and was only bringing it up to make the point that the system is fucked. I happen to agree with her, but fixing the system in my opinion involves raising the minimum wage along with closer scrutinization of who gets welfare. Nobody who goes to work every day and works hard for the full day should struggle to pay their bills.
The claim you seem to be trying to make that all poor people are unmotivated and lazy and COULD be abundantly successful if they would only just try is ridiculous and unrealistic. That's why I called you a dipshit and accused you of patronizing people.
Submitted by dangerdude (user info) at 2008-11-27 23:06:57 EST (#)
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this post made me mad and I was trying to think of something nasty to say along with a -2die, but I'm too stuffed with turkey to care.
Submitted by tech-junkie (user info) at 2008-11-27 22:15:28 EST (#)
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+2 because I agree that government spending for the less fortunate is hampered by fraud, apathy, and laziness.
-1 because this police state you describe will never exist.
Submitted by Genko (user info) at 2008-11-27 19:15:18 EST (#)
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Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2008-11-27 17:40:05 EST (#)
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"Only one percent of the federal budget goes to welfare— and less than two percent of the state budgets goes to welfare. If we stopped welfare right now, it would not affect our federal budget."
This may be true, but as Billy Batts said in Goodfellas, "Hey, Henry, what's right is right."
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There's no sense in caulking the window if you're going to leave the door open all winter.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-11-27 17:53:25 EST (#)
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you suck.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2008-11-27 17:40:05 EST (#)
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"Only one percent of the federal budget goes to welfare— and less than two percent of the state budgets goes to welfare. If we stopped welfare right now, it would not affect our federal budget."
This may be true, but as Billy Batts said in Goodfellas, "Hey, Henry, what's right is right."
Submitted by Cakes (user info) at 2008-11-27 16:30:53 EST (#)
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Your entire premise is off.
Only one percent of the federal budget goes to welfare— and less than two percent of the state budgets goes to welfare. If we stopped welfare right now, it would not affect our federal budget.
Also, even without the recent 750 billion dollar bailout of our banking system, there have been programs in place for corporate welfare for decades that dwarf this little bailout.
Submitted by KirillovianShitStain (user info) at 2008-11-27 13:19:42 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-11-27 11:24:32 EST (#)
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Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-11-27 10:52:50 EST (#)
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Tell me: what exactly is wrong with wanting to rise above taking charity and becoming one who gives it? And if the people on welfare can't be bothered to want to do better, what exactly is wrong with ensuring that the system isn't abused by making it a better deal to work a job than be on welfare forever?
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*sigh*
There's nothing wrong with it. WANTING to rise above it is simple.
ACHIEVING any measurable level of success is something else entirely.
It's a struggle Skrap. These super-jobs you speak of aren't simply laying in wait out there. The general area Corn Nugget and I live in is filled with unemployment on all income levels. You don't think either of us would rather work full-time and be MudWhistle Rich? She's trying the best she can with what she has available and I do what I can with what I can do. I can't even fathom having to figure another person into the equation like she does.
But it doesn't matter.
Muddy, Indo and Hadley have twisted my words, taken statements out of contexts and relied on half stories to paint me as a lazy monster leeching off SSDI. That's fine. I'm not going to waste anymore time trying to explain things to them. They're either just 1. looking for a fight, or 2. have they're ideas set.
In the end, it's all well & good for the rich & healthy to tell people like me to go scrub toilets for a living, but when that's not going to actually pay my rent OR my medication bills...
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-11-27 10:52:50 EST (#)
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Genko - being on the dole might serve her immediate purposes IF she discounts what she owes to the people who are supporting that decision. That is the disconnect that she and you make; she and you think you're entitled to welfare. Her 'free' assistance isn't free at all - it's paid for by people who aren't taking from the system but giving to it. Claiming that she's better off on the dole is to her and you reason enough for inertia. To me it means that her benefits are too high and she has no external motivation to improve her lot in life. Add to that her apparent lack of internal motivation to improve her lot in life and you get "Why work when I get paid more to stay at home?"
Tell me: what exactly is wrong with wanting to rise above taking charity and becoming one who gives it? And if the people on welfare can't be bothered to want to do better, what exactly is wrong with ensuring that the system isn't abused by making it a better deal to work a job than be on welfare forever?
Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2008-11-27 07:54:51 EST (#)
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Yah Crystle, child support is a freaking joke. I've yet to receive a dime, myself. He owes me 3000.
Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2008-11-27 07:53:47 EST (#)
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I have applied at 209527 billion other places, and the economy in michigan being what it is (worst in the country), I'm not having much luck.... which is why I started back at school last year.
There must be something that can be done about this situation, I'll have to email people in high places and bitch, and I have faith (blind?) that eventually someone will do something. Hopefully.
Shadow, my insurance is Cigna.
Submitted by Crystle (user info) at 2008-11-27 01:30:05 EST (#)
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Corn - I've been there. Seriously.. Single mom, no help from the dad (not a dime, ever) minimum wage job, on WIC, crappy 300 sq. foot 'in-law' unit that I'm sure didn't meet ANY sort of legal requirements.. That was when my daughter was 3 months old, I was 21.
She's turning 11 in about 6 weeks, and I bought a house last year. Keep working, girl, don't give up on yourself. Yes, it may seem easier to not work, but the only way to move up is to work. The OTHER piece of advice is keep trying to move up job wise. Send out a bajillion resume's. Dream of monster.com.
Work to not get fired from your job, but put your effort into moving up, and it WILL happen.
Submitted by shadow (user info) at 2008-11-27 01:04:56 EST (#)
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I have no idea where to start.
Just as well because I'm tired and I believe my IQ might have dropped a few bars while I was clicketing through the reviews. I just... hmm.
I will say this though: a few years ago I thought it would be a nifty idea to sterilize (temporarily or permanently) those incapable of supporting themselves. Largely this was a joke, meant to show the awesome coolness of my well-cultivated cynicism, but I must have at least half-believed it at some point. Having been out at large in the world and seen sides of the human populace I once thought unimaginable, I can say resolutely that my feelings have changed.
Forced sterilization is such a dramatic leap into control of lifestyle; it is micromanagement of the human itself. It's really no wonder that it has been the subject of SciFi for decades; the ramifications of allowing a government to control individual fertility are terrifying at best. Reproductive autonomy is one of the greatest achievements of the twentieth century, truly enabling men and women that lofty notion of Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. Requiring that function in a unwilling individual, or stripping it away from another, would be an IMMENSE amount of control socially, emotionally, intellectually and otherwise.
It is a defeatist and misanthropic view of humanity that entertains such thoughts.
Submitted by Genko (user info) at 2008-11-27 00:56:46 EST (#)
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Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-11-26 21:46:24 EST (#)
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Corn_Nugget - aspire to greatness. Use your experience to get a better job that pays more, so you can provide for yourself and your family. Move up so someone else can take the job you have now, which is better than no job at all.
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I believe she made it quite clear in her reply that having no job and receiving full assistance would actually put her and her son in a better position financially.
As easy as you make it sound to get a better job that pays more, I'm willing to bet that she's already attempted to do so, perhaps multiple times, and probably began her attempts well before your stupid ass showed up on Ubersite with all this sage advice.
Aspire to greatness? Way to patronize people without taking the time to understand their situation, dipshit. Do you have any practical solutions to her problem, or are you just going to spew catch phrases and look down your nose at hard working people?
Submitted by shadow (user info) at 2008-11-27 00:48:47 EST (#)
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Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2008-11-26 19:50:51 EST (#)
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Is the system fucked, yes. I get daycare assistance for my son. Since I'm getting state aid, there is a stipulation that if my employer offers medical insurance, I MUST sign myself and my son up for it.
Fair enough.
Except for the fact that they charge SIX HUNDRED FUCKING DOLLARS A MONTH for this insurance.
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What insurance company charges $600 a month? Granted I only pay for myself, but that's about $1300 a YEAR in total, including dental and vision (because I hate paying full price for glasses.) v
I seriously need to know which ins company you're being offered. My employer does not contribute to our health plan, they just work deals for us and nobody I know is paying that much.
Submitted by Genko (user info) at 2008-11-27 00:36:57 EST (#)
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I question the motivation behind this post. Taking away Tanekia Allenae's $300/month welfare check isn't going to fix America.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-11-26 21:46:24 EST (#)
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Corn_Nugget - aspire to greatness. Use your experience to get a better job that pays more, so you can provide for yourself and your family. Move up so someone else can take the job you have now, which is better than no job at all.
Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2008-11-26 19:50:51 EST (#)
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Is the system fucked, yes. I get daycare assistance for my son. Since I'm getting state aid, there is a stipulation that if my employer offers medical insurance, I MUST sign myself and my son up for it.
Fair enough.
Except for the fact that they charge SIX HUNDRED FUCKING DOLLARS A MONTH for this insurance.
I work part time, and my check, normally 600 was 275 today. get that? 275 dollars.
So I'm at the point now where I can no longer pay rent, and I'd financially be better off if I got full state aid.
How's that?
Submitted by freebie (user info) at 2008-11-26 19:17:12 EST (#)
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I'm on the front line of the welfare/ immigrant front in North Carolina. I get $75 per office visit which is sweet and pays a lot of bills. It kinda sucks that I bill the state and they pay me with the tax money I paid cause I have a job.
Submitted by Banjo (user info) at 2008-11-26 19:04:07 EST (#)
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Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2008-11-25 21:56:57 GMT (#)
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I think bajo is an alter of another male user, but I could be wrong. He/she has posted camwhores of some dumpy looking little chubby bitch.
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Sue me, I have chubby cheeks and boobs. And you'd be wrong.
Submitted by simple_catalyst (user info) at 2008-11-26 18:54:05 EST (#)
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ECON 101 FAIL
Submitted by coley (user info) at 2008-11-26 17:29:46 EST (#)
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you're an idiot
Submitted by Acarnis (user info) at 2008-11-26 11:54:28 EST (#)
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I was going to, but I forgot. Catscradle, we need another of your legendary posts.
Submitted by polyamorousaj (user info) at 2008-11-26 11:38:44 EST (#)
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I can't believe no one mentioned that catscradle made an appearance on this trainwreck.
Submitted by polyamorousaj (user info) at 2008-11-26 11:22:20 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-26 09:33:40 EST (#)
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Jeanneee....do and "I'm Thankful For..." Thanksgiving post and we'll camp there.
Go on do it
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-26 09:32:11 EST (#)
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holy shit....look who it is, my old alter
Submitted by leilani (user info) at 2008-11-26 09:31:27 EST (#)
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I don't mean I agree with you 100%. but I still think this is super.
Submitted by leilani (user info) at 2008-11-26 09:30:04 EST (#)
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this is super
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2008-11-26 09:29:51 EST (#)
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At least I've got ear-buds, Youtube and satelite radio to listen to, Dlisted, and cubical walls so I can ignore my fellow humans.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-26 09:25:26 EST (#)
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Forensic, that sounds... depressing.
I'm not very busy at work today so I have plenty of time to fret about how bad traffic is going to be between here and Edisto Beach. Last Thursday it took me 2 hours to make the 26 mile drive home from work. Traffic was so fucked up that I thought there had been a terrorist attack. Turns out it was nothing. THAT'S RIGHT, NOTHING. JACK SHIT. I hate this city sometimes.
Submitted by SgtHartman (user info) at 2008-11-26 09:21:05 EST (#)
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jesus christ it looks like the whole of Uber has been camping here!
than again any post that Jeanneee is gonna camp on is good enough for me.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2008-11-26 09:17:40 EST (#)
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I'm at work resolving data discrepancies from Argentina and Puerto Rico. Most of the discrepancies are ridiculous or bullshit.
Well that's what you get when your company outsources data entry to India.
The Argentinians send their data to India who then inputs it. Something goes awry. Then we (one of the 'Merican brances) have to figure it out and fix it so that the pharmaceutical companies who hire us to do their testing get valid results.
And nobody can explain to me exactly how this is efficient.
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2008-11-26 09:14:53 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-26 09:08:28 EST (#)
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So are we camping on here again today or what? Am I the only person at work?
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Sure, lets camp! I am at work, have coffee and food...sounds like a good camping day. I really don't expect to be very busy so I have all kinds of Ubering time on my hands.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-26 09:08:28 EST (#)
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So are we camping on here again today or what? Am I the only person at work?
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-26 09:07:59 EST (#)
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I'm really sorry to hear that. If I had any money I'd pay my boyfriend to go pantsless as often as possible. Fortunately for me, he's kind enough to go pantsless for free.
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2008-11-26 09:04:49 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-26 09:00:37 EST (#)
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Those Planned Parenthood bitches charged me $125 to talk to a nurse for 5, maybe 6 minutes, and 3 packs of pills. I guess that's the price I had to pay for NOT having to take my pants off.
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My wife pays me to keep my pants on
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-26 09:00:37 EST (#)
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Those Planned Parenthood bitches charged me $125 to talk to a nurse for 5, maybe 6 minutes, and 3 packs of pills. I guess that's the price I had to pay for NOT having to take my pants off.
Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2008-11-26 08:53:32 EST (#)
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Submitted by Comfortably_Numb (user info) at 2008-11-26 07:59:13 EST (#)
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I think birth control and IUDs should subsidized by the government for anyone who wants them. But I don't know about forcing people to get them.
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Have you heard of planned parenthood? You can get birth control very cheap, or free, depending on income.
Submitted by nitty34 (user info) at 2008-11-26 08:20:26 EST (#)
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Submitted by SensibleShoes (user info) at 2008-11-26 08:15:40 EST (#)
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Maybe the point of the post was if those who are abusing the welfare system, and other programs designed to help those in need, could help stimulate the economy if they were working, paying taxes and spending more than what a welfare check provides. There will always be some will need help; but there are plenty of charities and organizations that are not run by the government that can help. The federal government has proven over several decades how they are unable to efficiently use tax money to help or to solve/eliminate problems
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...and we have a winner
Submitted by SensibleShoes (user info) at 2008-11-26 08:15:40 EST (#)
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Maybe the point of the post was if those who are abusing the welfare system, and other programs designed to help those in need, could help stimulate the economy if they were working, paying taxes and spending more than what a welfare check provides. There will always be some will need help; but there are plenty of charities and organizations that are not run by the government that can help. The federal government has proven over several decades how they are unable to efficiently use tax money to help or to solve/eliminate problems.
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2008-11-26 08:08:58 EST (#)
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Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-11-26 06:15:43 EST (#)
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I'm not sure how you could look at what's happening in the country right now and come to the conclusion that allowing the government to be Robin Hood would solve anything past making financially irresponsible people happy for a few minutes.
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And allow them to continue to be irresponsible with their finances
Submitted by Comfortably_Numb (user info) at 2008-11-26 07:59:13 EST (#)
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I think birth control and IUDs should subsidized by the government for anyone who wants them. But I don't know about forcing people to get them.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-11-26 06:15:43 EST (#)
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I'm not sure how you could look at what's happening in the country right now and come to the conclusion that allowing the government to be Robin Hood would solve anything past making financially irresponsible people happy for a few minutes.
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2008-11-26 03:04:32 EST (#)
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I'm not sure how you could look at what's happening in the country right now and come to the conclusion that the poor people are what's wrong with America.
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2008-11-26 01:13:12 EST (#)
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You have a negative zero. Politics aside, I don't want to mess with that.
Submitted by Fungah (user info) at 2008-11-25 23:27:58 EST (#)
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Canada (IPA: /ˈkænədə/) is a country occupying most of northern North America, extending from the Atlantic Ocean in the east to the Pacific Ocean in the west and northward into the Arctic Ocean. It is the world's second largest country by total area,[6] and shares land borders with the United States to the south and northwest.
The land occupied by Canada was inhabited for millennia by various aboriginal peoples. Beginning in the late 15th century, British and French expeditions explored and later settled the Atlantic coast. France ceded nearly all of its colonies in North America in 1763 after the Seven Years' War. In 1867, with the union of three British North American colonies through Confederation, Canada was formed as a federal dominion of four provinces.[7][8][9] This began an accretion of additional provinces and territories and a process of increasing autonomy from the United Kingdom, highlighted by the Statute of Westminster in 1931, and culminating in the Canada Act in 1982 which severed the vestiges of legal dependence on the British parliament.
A federation comprising ten provinces and three territories, Canada is a parliamentary democracy and a constitutional monarchy, with Queen Elizabeth II as its head of state. It is a bilingual and multicultural country, with both English and French as official languages at the federal level. Technologically advanced and industrialized, Canada maintains a diversified economy that is heavily reliant upon its abundant natural resources and upon trade—particularly with the United States, with which Canada has had a long and complex relationship. It is a member of the G8, NATO, Commonwealth of Nations, and La Francophonie.
Submitted by kgbpasha (user info) at 2008-11-25 23:15:24 EST (#)
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I go to school and work full time.
My kid's mom is on welfare.
She doesn't work or go to school.
She makes more money than I do by
not working.
She's got satellite t.v. and a new
car.
I've got 3 fucking channels and a
10 year old car.
California rocks the welfare cock.
Thanks for reminding me.
Submitted by YourNameHere (user info) at 2008-11-25 22:46:58 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by FilledwithHate (user info) at 2008-11-25 21:53:52 EST (#)
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One thing that bugs me about this post is that people don't seem to know much about welfare.
That said, I kinda of agree with Skrap on the issue of Kaos. And I don't agree with Skrap on much except beer and his backyard pool is awesome.
"Welfare" is principally TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families) which replaced Aid for Families with Dependent Children in the welfare reform act of 1996. Some fact aboout this:
Eligibility of 5 years lifetime, whether you take it continuously or in pieces.
Can only be used for families with children. No people without children get welfare at all. No single guys, gals, or other lazy people not feeding children.
50% of TANF caseload must spend 30 hours per week in "work-related" activities. These can include community service or job training. I don't know how they decide among the 50%, but most states probably allow early recipients not to work, then after time, they have to do the 30 hours.
In Texas (don't have data on other states yet), the maximum benefit for a family of three is $208/month, hardly enough to create a welfare queen.
SSI is a disability program, not welfare. If people abuse this by not actually being disabled, then improved enforcement actions to bring fraud cases would be reasonable.
Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2008-11-25 20:33:01 EST (#)
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I agree that welfare needs to be amended.
I disagree with 1, 3, and 5.
I think generational welfare shouldn't be allowed.
I think if a family is on welfare the children MUST attend school and receive passing grades.
I think drug tests should be mandatory on welfare.
I think that your children failing in school or failing to pass drug tests should result in their immediate placement in a foster family. (while, admittedly foster families are far from ideal they remove a child an even more toxic environment).
I feel that this would lead to a dramatic decrease in generational welfare, and that is where the problem is.
On the other side of the coin though I think welfare benefits should be increased as living on what is provided is near impossible. I think you should still be eligible for welfare if you work if you are below the poverty line and that the amount you receive should be scaled on how far below you are.
I think that while on welfare, the government should be considered an employer and have the same access that an employer would have
Submitted by 8bithero (user info) at 2008-11-25 20:27:45 EST (#)
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You are attacking the wrong people.
Watch this - http://www.wimp.com/awfultruth/ - and tell me this government doesn't need to be overthrown.
Submitted by Sphagnum (user info) at 2008-11-25 19:19:39 EST (#)
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I'd like to read this but I scrolled through the reviews first and all I saw was "Indoninja" every second review.
So now that we've established how boring the post must be since it was capable of stimulating that fucking redneck idiot into some more of his rhetoric I'm not going to bother.
You should all make this your new mantra:
"I'M A SELFISH CUNT AND COULDN'T GIVE TWO FUCKS ABOUT ANYONE OR ANYTHING ELSE IN THIS UNIVERSE BUT MYSELF"
You're right, I'm being naive. There is no other way. It's every man for himself.
Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2008-11-25 19:18:42 EST (#)
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And furthermore, Kaos, did you NOT do a post somewhat recently saying you're not bipolar after all, you're BPD? In which case you shouldn't qualify for SSI, since that's a personality disorder and not a mental disorder.
Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2008-11-25 19:14:30 EST (#)
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Kaos, you don't need to be on SSI to get your meds paid for. I'm working full time and going to school part time and getting perscription assistance. Shit, maybe it's different from state to state, but I'd be willing to bet that you could WORK and find assistance if you checked into it and did some research.
Submitted by BranDo (user info) at 2008-11-25 19:02:33 EST (#)
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Agreeing with CT and Red here but basically it's just a.....
have it the way you see fit.(as always)
We do pay a lot around here but we do have a somehow functioning system.
You simply don't seem to be 'one people under god' at all after all.
Fix that, please. (yes you can)
We're the happy non americans who can rely on welfare. (no we're not)
Bring back? Take back would be better fitting.
Shalom, Salaam, Fuck You.
Submitted by catscradle (user info) at 2008-11-25 18:57:53 EST (#)
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What's part 2?
And how are we going to enforce all this? Or WHO is going to enforce all this?
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2008-11-25 18:40:15 EST (#)
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Submitted by Acarnis (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:03:01 CST (#)
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While we're picking on kaos, it's important to note that the much larger problem is the pharmaceutical lobby.
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HA! A-fucking-men!
Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2008-11-25 17:22:13 EST (#)
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Submitted by nitty34 (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:06:37 EST (#)
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This post isn't about the banks. It's about welfare.
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and both are insignificant, and busy-work, when placed next to the real problems facing this country
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-11-25 17:21:55 EST (#)
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Submitted by Acarnis (user info) at 2008-11-25 17:03:01 EST (#)
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While we're picking on kaos, it's important to note that the much larger problem is the pharmaceutical lobby.
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My leg twitched. While I was sitting here working at my desk.
It just twitched again.
No big deal, just a slightly restless feeling.
Fortunately, they have a pill for that.
I can take a pill instead of wasting time by getting up and walking around and getting the blood flowing and perhaps burning a few calories.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 17:05:36 EST (#)
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Kaos started it.....he came in here swinging
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-11-25 17:03:50 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:58:59 EST (#)
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I guess by now I should really know better than to assume a camwhore is an accurate reflection of the person who posted it.
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That's why no1 never camwhores. Only NO picture could do justice to that complete lack or personality.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 17:03:11 EST (#)
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I'm listening to Shooter Jennings right now
Submitted by Acarnis (user info) at 2008-11-25 17:03:01 EST (#)
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While we're picking on kaos, it's important to note that the much larger problem is the pharmaceutical lobby. They have convinced the government that programs like Medicaid shouldn't negotiate prices for medications.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:58:59 EST (#)
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I guess by now I should really know better than to assume a camwhore is an accurate reflection of the person who posted it.
Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:56:57 EST (#)
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I think bajo is an alter of another male user, but I could be wrong. He/she has posted camwhores of some dumpy looking little chubby bitch.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:55:46 EST (#)
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Banjo is a broad?
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:54:37 EST (#)
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Submitted by Banjo (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:53:10 EST (#)
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It's too late for an election campaign!
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I never have any idea what this crazy broad is talking about. Is that just me?
Submitted by Banjo (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:53:10 EST (#)
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It's too late for an election campaign!
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:51:11 EST (#)
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Hell no it wouldn't take away from it. In fact it would give you more time to eat Cheetos and bitch on the internet. Sounds like win to me.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:49:32 EST (#)
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I would qualify. If it wouldn't take away from my altering and eating Cheetos time.
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:25:41 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:16:44 EST (#)
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Muddy I'll hobble you if you gouge out my eyes. Then we can both go on disability and sit around smoking herb all day. OR we could just get really really fat. Isn't that a disability now?
(cue "you're already really really fat" type jokes)
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I can qualify..look at my username!
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:25:36 EST (#)
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I'm not going to lie to you - it's either Jai Alai or disability. Can't do both.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:22:01 EST (#)
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you have a deal Jeanneee
wait...how will hobbling affect my Jai Alai Career?
Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:17:23 EST (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:58:59 EST (#)
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sorry, I had to do some real work there for a bit.....has Kaos declared his leaving yet?
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Ya, he booked awhile ago. I think he said something about cashing his disability cheque and heading down to the bar to get drunk with some of his layabout friends, while the rest of us finished our day's work to pay for his lifestyle.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:16:44 EST (#)
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Muddy I'll hobble you if you gouge out my eyes. Then we can both go on disability and sit around smoking herb all day. OR we could just get really really fat. Isn't that a disability now?
(cue "you're already really really fat" type jokes)
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:11:03 EST (#)
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2 more hours to go....fuck I hate late days.....I need to go on disability
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:04:33 EST (#)
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I haven't seen this much heat on a post in ages...of course I do not visit Uber as often as I used to.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:00:53 EST (#)
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It's been 4:00 for like 6 hours. What the fuck.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:58:59 EST (#)
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sorry, I had to do some real work there for a bit.....has Kaos declared his leaving yet?
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:54:02 EST (#)
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1 job != all jobs.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:49:00 EST (#)
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Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:33:05 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:47:51 EST (#)
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One of my best friends works for a federal agency. He makes more than twice what I make, and as far as I can tell, his job involves going in to the office at 10 every day, taking every single Friday off to play tennis, and doing a whole lot of fuck all on the rare occasions he's actually there. He also, as if this needs to be said, has excellent benefits and can never be fired
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That job does not exist. There is not a job (short of being dictator of one's own country...and even then, there's coups and invasion by the US) where one can not be fired. Most people would say that since I work for the state, I have the same type of job (even though I make a lot less than several of our more vocal friends here). But I do more in a morning than some of the people here do in a week (based on comment frequency...on this post alone).
So how does one get to take every Friday off to play tennis? Well, it took me 4 years to max out my vacation at just over 13 weeks. As a result, I could take off every Friday until retirement with no problem. Of course, I could take every Friday even if I didn't have the time, I'd just have to take it unpaid.
Either way, my original point stands. There is no job in the federal government where one can't be fired. Period. Stop feeding stereotypes.
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uh dude..... have you ever worked for the government?
trust me, i used to take 3 hour lunches to go off-roading with another guy i worked with quite a bit. and there were plenty of fridays where i just left halfway through the day. guess what? there was no chance in hell that i would get fired. they just don't fire people from government jobs unless you really really fuck up. and by that, i mean you have to basically murder someone, be a pedophile, or come in waving a gun around and shoot some people. you can even come in drunk and drink at work like i did and you still won't be fired.
ah... if only i could go back to those days....
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:48:11 EST (#)
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Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:33:05 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:47:51 EST (#)
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One of my best friends works for a federal agency. He makes more than twice what I make, and as far as I can tell, his job involves going in to the office at 10 every day, taking every single Friday off to play tennis, and doing a whole lot of fuck all on the rare occasions he's actually there. He also, as if this needs to be said, has excellent benefits and can never be fired
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That job does not exist. There is not a job (short of being dictator of one's own country...and even then, there's coups and invasion by the US) where one can not be fired. Most people would say that since I work for the state, I have the same type of job (even though I make a lot less than several of our more vocal friends here). But I do more in a morning than some of the people here do in a week (based on comment frequency...on this post alone).
So how does one get to take every Friday off to play tennis? Well, it took me 4 years to max out my vacation at just over 13 weeks. As a result, I could take off every Friday until retirement with no problem. Of course, I could take every Friday even if I didn't have the time, I'd just have to take it unpaid.
Either way, my original point stands. There is no job in the federal government where one can't be fired. Period. Stop feeding stereotypes.
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Wow, that's a long-winded rejoinder. Nicely done.
BTW, the "can never be fired" thing is a direct quote from Matt (that would be the bitch with the sweet federal job). He frequently makes the comment that he can never be fired. I'm not feeding anything. Nobody's talking about you so don't be so defensive.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:44:59 EST (#)
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Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:36:46 EST (#)
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Jeanneee- Your claim about the criminalization of marijuana involving race is a common one. I can't be bothered to find links now, but basically it was considered a poor man's drug that would corrupt white youth. Like in England in the 1800s, gin was prohibited, but not whiskey. Because the poor drank gin and guess who drank whiskey?
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the irish? england had bad logic with that one...
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:43:20 EST (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:34:05 EST (#)
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yeah no1, show som erespect for the head janitor.
he isn;t a plunger jockey anymore, he owuld send one of the mexicans up to fix it.
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Busted. They got me a new laptop so I could work on more cost-efficient scheduling and shift rotations, which is bullshit cause the staff are all Mexican illegals sleeping in the basement anyway. They're always on call, hahaha.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:39:47 EST (#)
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Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:33:05 EST (#)
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That job does not exist. There is not a job (short of being dictator of one's own country...and even then, there's coups and invasion by the US) where one can not be fired. Most people would say that since I work for the state, I have the same type of job (even though I make a lot less than several of our more vocal friends here). But I do more in a morning than some of the people here do in a week (based on comment frequency...on this post alone).
So how does one get to take every Friday off to play tennis? Well, it took me 4 years to max out my vacation at just over 13 weeks. As a result, I could take off every Friday until retirement with no problem. Of course, I could take every Friday even if I didn't have the time, I'd just have to take it unpaid.
Either way, my original point stands. There is no job in the federal government where one can't be fired. Period. Stop feeding stereotypes.
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A lot of govt jobs have what is called the compressed work week, or CWS. Basically mon-thur you work 9 hours. You only work 8 hours on friday, but you get every other friday off. Still adds up to 80 hours every two weeks.
Most govt jobs are pretty hard to get fired from. On the GS scale and you are guaranteed yearly step increases to a point (then once every three years). They are switching to something called NSPS where you have to prove how good you are each year and aren't guaranteed a rasies, or even a cost of living increase. Unfortunatly Obama may stop that since older/minorities don't do as well (govt even more that private sector is known for hiring unqualified minorities. don't know if ti is true).
Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:36:46 EST (#)
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Jeanneee- Your claim about the criminalization of marijuana involving race is a common one. I can't be bothered to find links now, but basically it was considered a poor man's drug that would corrupt white youth. Like in England in the 1800s, gin was prohibited, but not whiskey. Because the poor drank gin and guess who drank whiskey?
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:36:30 EST (#)
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Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:33:05 EST (#)
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Stop feeding stereotypes.
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*resists fierce urge to deliver cheap comeback*
Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:35:44 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:31:04 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:26:25 EST (#)
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What's a toilet clod? Hahahahahaha, shit I'm bored
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You appear to be asking one that question below.
Seriously, no1... if I was a janitor do you really think I'd be on uber all day? Would I even have access to a pc? Put a LITTLE thought into your inane comebacks or go back to parroting Caulaincourt as you did when you earned your wings on uber.
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Whatever. STFU Jack, you toilet clod.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:34:05 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:31:04 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:26:25 EST (#)
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What's a toilet clod? Hahahahahaha, shit I'm bored
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You appear to be asking one that question below.
Seriously, no1... if I was a janitor do you really think I'd be on uber all day? Would I even have access to a pc? Put a LITTLE thought into your inane comebacks or go back to parroting Caulaincourt as you did when you earned your wings on uber.
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yeah no1, show som erespect for the head janitor.
he isn;t a plunger jockey anymore, he owuld send one of the mexicans up to fix it.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:33:05 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:47:51 EST (#)
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One of my best friends works for a federal agency. He makes more than twice what I make, and as far as I can tell, his job involves going in to the office at 10 every day, taking every single Friday off to play tennis, and doing a whole lot of fuck all on the rare occasions he's actually there. He also, as if this needs to be said, has excellent benefits and can never be fired
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That job does not exist. There is not a job (short of being dictator of one's own country...and even then, there's coups and invasion by the US) where one can not be fired. Most people would say that since I work for the state, I have the same type of job (even though I make a lot less than several of our more vocal friends here). But I do more in a morning than some of the people here do in a week (based on comment frequency...on this post alone).
So how does one get to take every Friday off to play tennis? Well, it took me 4 years to max out my vacation at just over 13 weeks. As a result, I could take off every Friday until retirement with no problem. Of course, I could take every Friday even if I didn't have the time, I'd just have to take it unpaid.
Either way, my original point stands. There is no job in the federal government where one can't be fired. Period. Stop feeding stereotypes.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:31:04 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:26:25 EST (#)
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What's a toilet clod? Hahahahahaha, shit I'm bored
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You appear to be asking one that question below.
Seriously, no1... if I was a janitor do you really think I'd be on uber all day? Would I even have access to a pc? Put a LITTLE thought into your inane comebacks or go back to parroting Caulaincourt as you did when you earned your wings on uber.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:26:25 EST (#)
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What's a toilet clod? Hahahahahaha, shit I'm bored
Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:22:12 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:19:59 EST (#)
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Fuck it's quiet here today. I bet I could slip out and see a movie, get back just in time to clock out.
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What would happen if they had toilet clod on the third floor, and their Chief Sanitation Engineer was otherwise engaged at the movies? Who would unplug it and mop up the mess?
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:21:39 EST (#)
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Kaos - as you kindly pointed out I already AM paying your $1000 prescription bill since you're on SSDI, to which I contribute well over $1000 a month and take out exactly nothing. I don't see how you can argue that I still would be paying it if you went to work and earned enough to pay for your own meds (with work-supplied medicaln insurance, of course) and your own livelihood. If you're capable of earning a living while on your meds and you refuse to do so only in order to get cheaper meds, how are you living up to your potential? If you take the word "meds" out of all that, you're just slacking. By your own logic, since, as you've said, you are capable, you should work in order to support someone who is genuinely incapable of doing so, such as someone who is actually incapacitated by illness (mental or physical) despite medication and therapy. Note that if you do this, that person will also get the $1000 that you're no longer using for your meds, and so will be even better off.
I don't mind assisting when it's a worthwhile investment of my time and I can see a payoff - I volunteer at homeless shelters off and on even when it's not Thanksgiving or Christmas, and I am always buying wheelchairs and walkers in flea markets which I then clean up and donate to places that can use them (everyone should do this by the way). But if you can do for yourself you should have enough pride in that to follow through.
I know... I don't know you and your life story. I'm just going by what you've said. If I'm wrong, tell me how.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:20:27 EST (#)
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We also have "Little People Big World", what's your point
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:19:59 EST (#)
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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:54:30 EST (#)
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Jack - care to explain why it WON'T work?
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It's the 'tithing' that made me laugh.
If you are supporting a church, hey, that's your call. If you mean tithing as a general helpful hand-out or donation, that's what our tax dollars are for. When managed properly, of course.
Fuck it's quiet here today. I bet I could slip out and see a movie, get back just in time to clock out.
Submitted by i_can_get_you_a_toe (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:18:39 EST (#)
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I think america's main problem is that they have a T.V show called 'Half Tonne Hospital'
Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:12:21 EST (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/119956#2822031
below in reference to linked outright lie
Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:11:33 EST (#)
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Note, this is your own words :
"Whatev', I got drunk.
I got to Professor's Pub at 6pm to set up and started drinking immediately. An hour and a pitcher of Magic Hat #9 later, people started showing up. It was a slow night and I made very few sales; most people wanted to simply drink. I got another pitcher, this time of a hard cider called Original Sin and my dad matched me. I drank a portion of his, too. We showed Silent Hill on the big screen 'cause it's so visually dynamic, and we tried 28 Days Later, but the DVD was fucked up. We ended up going with a film called Ravenous that I love. I was trying to push both my book and the event drink specials ($2 BloodDrops), but after my 3rd pitcher was delivered I stopped caring"
http://www.ubersite.com/m/119903
Further, if you have a serious mentl disorder and are on medication, you should NOT be mixing medications with drinking at all ever.
Shut the fuck up, welfare-king
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:09:54 EST (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:56:18 EST (#)
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You COULD be working, but you choose not to. If you have the mental capacity to go out and get hammered with your friends, I'm pretty sure you can handle actually working for a living.
Your arguments for why you 'deserve' federal funding for your psychological 'illness' are not convincing anyone because you obviously have the capacity - but it's just easier for you to get the hand out.
Which is why the system is flawed.
So enjoy your free shit, but don't think you are ever going to convince anyone that you deserve it, because you don't.
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It is always weird when I agree with Rob.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:08:52 EST (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:04:15 EST (#)
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I said DRINK, not get DRUNK.
Nevermind, it doesn't matter.
**waves to the percentage of Uber up on their moral high horses and leaves post**
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If you are bi-polar you shoudl never drink.
So once or twice a week of drinking, and once a week of blacking out from drinking, probably isn;t a good idea, especailly if your problem is so bad it counts as a disability.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:04:15 EST (#)
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I said DRINK, not get DRUNK.
Nevermind, it doesn't matter.
**waves to the percentage of Uber up on their moral high horses and leaves post**
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:02:11 EST (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:50:50 EST (#)
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And why is that, exactly?
I'm serious... I want to know why someone who has been diagnosed with a mental illness classification by a board-certified doctor is not equal to someone who has received a diagnosis of a physical illness.
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I believe some mental illnesses are real, but I also believe they are treatable.
As Mud said you drink heavily. May be one or two times a week, but you get black out drunk frequently (or you lie on your posts). If your problem was truly that debilitating or dangerous I don't think you would be drinking that much.
Also unless those pictures of you on here were all wit complete random strangers you can function normally, or at least near normally enoguht to make friends, and hold down a job (where temperment is important). From those two things I find it hard to believe you are so unbalanced you can;t suck up a cube, a call center or an assembly line 8 hours a day.
I also believe that if you keep complaining to doctors they will give you drugs and say there is a problem. The fact is there is no test for what you claim to suffer from, but your own behavior (at least what you post here) argues against you truly thinking it is serious.
Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2008-11-25 15:00:55 EST (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:53:46 EST (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:49:28 EST (#)
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I mean if you had a 'debilitating psychological problem' wouldn't you be in therapy....wouldn't a therapist warn you against drinking as much as you do? Doesn't alcohol have its own depressive characteristics.....face it bro...you like like just the way it is...a free ride and all you gotta do is get angry once in a while and act all brooding and you get a all the fun meds you want.
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Hey, I'm a very happy drunk, for one. And two, I don't drink NEARLY as much as you seem to think I do. Like, maybe twice a week - TOPS.
And contrary to popular belief, I don't plaster Ubersite with ALL of my personal information - and that includes stuff dealing with my doctors & therapists
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Twice a week, when you've admitted you get drunk (not including having a single glass of wine with dinner) is drinking alot. Especially for someone who claims to have a 'debilitating psychological problem' requiring constant meds. Here's an idea, quit fucking hanging out in the bar drinking, pay for your meds with the money you save from not drinking and smoking all the time, and then go do something productive, like maybe getting a fucking job, to improve yourself.
Bum.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:59:08 EST (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:56:18 EST (#)
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Seriously Kaos - Look at how much time and energy you are putting into pointless internet arguing.
This time could be spent sorting files, making coffee, washing floors, scrubbing toilets, handing out flyers, delivering papers.
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**sigh**
http://www.ubersite.com/m/119956#2821975
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:57:49 EST (#)
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whoa.....rob_berg from left field
I didn't see that coming
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:56:18 EST (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:46:51 EST (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:43:42 EST (#)
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Simply put, I have a medical issue that is psychological in nature and you don't recognize that as being as important/as debilitating as a physical one.
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I think pretty much everyone here will agree it isn't.
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Seriously Kaos - Look at how much time and energy you are putting into pointless internet arguing.
This time could be spent sorting files, making coffee, washing floors, scrubbing toilets, handing out flyers, delivering papers.
You COULD be working, but you choose not to. If you have the mental capacity to go out and get hammered with your friends, I'm pretty sure you can handle actually working for a living.
Your arguments for why you 'deserve' federal funding for your psychological 'illness' are not convincing anyone because you obviously have the capacity - but it's just easier for you to get the hand out.
Which is why the system is flawed.
So enjoy your free shit, but don't think you are ever going to convince anyone that you deserve it, because you don't.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:55:14 EST (#)
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Hey Thorny, take Kaos with you before he blows a gasket!
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:54:59 EST (#)
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I didn't say worthless. I said useless.
Something may have value, but is useless.
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:54:30 EST (#)
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Jack - care to explain why it WON'T work?
Now I remember why I quit coming here...I really don't need this kind of negativity in my life. Far more important things, and better ways to escape boredom.
Au revoir.
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:54:09 EST (#)
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Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:50:56 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:47:51 CST (#)
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One of my best friends works for a federal agency. He makes more than twice what I make, and as far as I can tell, his job involves going in to the office at 10 every day, taking every single Friday off to play tennis, and doing a whole lot of fuck all on the rare occasions he's actually there. He also, as if this needs to be said, has excellent benefits and can never be fired. I HATE that bitch. FUCK.
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I know someone like that. She doesn't really speak to me now unless she has to because I called her a useless tit.
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Take it back, Tits are not useless!!!!!!!!!!!
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:53:46 EST (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:49:28 EST (#)
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I mean if you had a 'debilitating psychological problem' wouldn't you be in therapy....wouldn't a therapist warn you against drinking as much as you do? Doesn't alcohol have its own depressive characteristics.....face it bro...you like like just the way it is...a free ride and all you gotta do is get angry once in a while and act all brooding and you get a all the fun meds you want.
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Hey, I'm a very happy drunk, for one. And two, I don't drink NEARLY as much as you seem to think I do. Like, maybe twice a week - TOPS.
And contrary to popular belief, I don't plaster Ubersite with ALL of my personal information - and that includes stuff dealing with my doctors & therapists.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:53:32 EST (#)
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Forensic is there such a thing as a worthless tit...I mean that all have value.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:53:12 EST (#)
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There are some psychological disorders that are debilitating. Some are temporarily debilitating but treatable. And some don't affect your ability to work at all.
Really.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:52:52 EST (#)
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Fuck.....you know what....Kaos you made it all clear to me....I have diabetes....I'm just gonna take off work from now and live off the GOV cuz i'm not sure I can take the rigors of daily work life.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:50:56 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:47:51 CST (#)
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One of my best friends works for a federal agency. He makes more than twice what I make, and as far as I can tell, his job involves going in to the office at 10 every day, taking every single Friday off to play tennis, and doing a whole lot of fuck all on the rare occasions he's actually there. He also, as if this needs to be said, has excellent benefits and can never be fired. I HATE that bitch. FUCK.
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I know someone like that. She doesn't really speak to me now unless she has to because I called her a useless tit.
WELL, SHE IS!
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:50:50 EST (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:46:51 EST (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:43:42 EST (#)
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Simply put, I have a medical issue that is psychological in nature and you don't recognize that as being as important/as debilitating as a physical one.
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I think pretty much everyone here will agree it isn't.
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And why is that, exactly?
I'm serious... I want to know why someone who has been diagnosed with a mental illness classification by a board-certified doctor is not equal to someone who has received a diagnosis of a physical illness.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:49:28 EST (#)
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I mean if you had a 'debilitating psychological problem' wouldn't you be in therapy....wouldn't a therapist warn you against drinking as much as you do? Doesn't alcohol have its own depressive characteristics.....face it bro...you like like just the way it is...a free ride and all you gotta do is get angry once in a while and act all brooding and you get a all the fun meds you want.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:47:51 EST (#)
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One of my best friends works for a federal agency. He makes more than twice what I make, and as far as I can tell, his job involves going in to the office at 10 every day, taking every single Friday off to play tennis, and doing a whole lot of fuck all on the rare occasions he's actually there. He also, as if this needs to be said, has excellent benefits and can never be fired. I HATE that bitch. FUCK.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:46:51 EST (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:43:42 EST (#)
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Simply put, I have a medical issue that is psychological in nature and you don't recognize that as being as important/as debilitating as a physical one.
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I think pretty much everyone here will agree it isn't.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:45:11 EST (#)
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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:35:12 EST (#)
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Where did I say that retirement and emergency savings funds are hallmarks of greed? Now you're overgeneralizing, indo. Saving 10% of one's income as such is wise behavior for EVERYONE, not just the wealthy.
10-10-80 plan:
10% tithing/giving
10% in savings
80% remainder for daily living
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Too bad your single-seat time machine won't help the rest of us live out our lives in 1952.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:44:42 EST (#)
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nah...I just don't like you
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:43:42 EST (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:35:46 EST (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:31:46 EST (#)
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Oh, my mistake? Is cancer acceptable?
Maybe only for the rich. The worked HARD ENOUGH to earn it.
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See this is the part that your brain can't get around....the guy in the factory...he earned his time off by working hard. I'm compassionate to those that are not trying to take advantage with such nonsense as psychological disabilities.
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Finally, the root of this all. I've wondered when you would just finally say it.
Muddy, I wouldn't BE available for SSDI if I hadn't paid into Social Security for almost a decade. But that's irrelevant.
Simply put, I have a medical issue that is psychological in nature and you don't recognize that as being as important/as debilitating as a physical one.
So, if I had Parkinson's or Scoliosis or something... then there wouldn't be an issue, huh?
Cute.
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:43:19 EST (#)
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Nor did I say that blindly and overly giving to welfare would solve the problem. Pbviously, as you elaborated on indo, it doesn't. All I was simply stating originally is that welfare - and the state of our economy in general - is fueled by greed. I don't see how you can argue THAT.
Ok, back to work now.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:42:10 EST (#)
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I have great benefits and I just dick around on Uber all day.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:41:32 EST (#)
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I have pretty good insurance i guess....but my endocrinologist is outside of my plan so I pay the bills to him out of my pocket.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:41:05 EST (#)
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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:35:12 EST (#)
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Where did I say that retirement and emergency savings funds are hallmarks of greed? Now you're overgeneralizing, indo. Saving 10% of one's income as such is wise behavior for EVERYONE, not just the wealthy.
10-10-80 plan:
10% tithing/giving
10% in savings
80% remainder for daily living
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Under current taxes Nitty probably gives more than 10%. Wich is completely beside the point. If I was a finger pointing cunt like yourself I would rant how 10% isn;t enough and how "greedy" it is of you not to give enough.
Do you see how holier than though and hypocritical it is of you to say someone is greedy, especially if you have no idea how much they give?
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"It's a proven principle and has worked for years to come."
WTF?
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:39:13 EST (#)
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I work hard but my benefits are shit. If I get seriously sick, I'm in a whole lot of trouble.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:37:10 EST (#)
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10% tithing......holy crap, way to invalidate any argument you might present thorny.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:36:11 EST (#)
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**gasp**
Indo making a VALID point below!!!
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:35:46 EST (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:31:46 EST (#)
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I can just see Muddy, Skrap, Indo, ect. now...
FUCK YOUR CANCER TREATMENTS! HOW DARE YOU TAKE TIME OFF FROM THE FACTORY!!!
YOU DON'T NEED CHEMOTHERAPY, YOU JUST NEED TO WORK HARDER!!!
Oh, my mistake? Is cancer acceptable?
Maybe only for the rich. The worked HARD ENOUGH to earn it.
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See this is the part that your brain can't get around....the guy in the factory...he earned his time off by working hard. I'm compassionate to those that are not trying to take advantage with such nonsense as psychological disabilities.
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:35:12 EST (#)
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Where did I say that retirement and emergency savings funds are hallmarks of greed? Now you're overgeneralizing, indo. Saving 10% of one's income as such is wise behavior for EVERYONE, not just the wealthy.
10-10-80 plan:
10% tithing/giving
10% in savings
80% remainder for daily living
It's a proven principle and has worked for years to come.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:34:30 EST (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:17:53 EST (#)
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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:12:15 EST (#)
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Arguing and worrying about money is ultimately pointless in the long run, because you can't take it with you when you go. Why not give what you can to improve the world and lives of others around you, as you are able to do so?
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Thorny wins.
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He fucking loses, and he loses big time.
The issue isn't "give what you can to improve the world". that would be great.
First off the govt is taking your money, you arent giving it.
Second, no fucking way you can argue that it will improve the world. There are literally hundreds of charities that are more accountable and help out much more needy people/situations that I would rather see my money go to before it goes to welfare (and frankly I am not sure they "make the world better", look at ethiopia and food aid. People are stil starving just there are 5x more, and we have a new corrupt class of aid profiteers. I am not saying don't do anything, but don't pretend that being for th egovt taxing and giving more will magically make the world a better place).
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:32:57 EST (#)
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Man I hate being an asshole for actually earning a living.
Submitted by X54 (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:32:31 EST (#)
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You have the right intentions, but think about the ramifications of cutting people off after 24 months. What are they going to do then? Without skills, they won't be able to find jobs and will have to turn to crime. The net effect will be even costlier to society than keeping them on welfare.
No, welfare isn't the problem, it's only a symptom of a deeper problem. The real problem is that there are too many people. What we need is a way to skim off the bottom dwellers, the ones who would have been weeded out by the process of natural selection if not for the misguided compassion of their fellow humans. We should send them peacefully on their way to a better world, a world without hunger or poverty or hate or war or religion or racism or discrimination or anything else bad. The afterlife! It's every bit as nice there as in the beforelife, and we've all been there already. Yes, send them all home. They can wait there for us.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:31:46 EST (#)
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I can just see Muddy, Skrap, Indo, ect. now...
FUCK YOUR CANCER TREATMENTS! HOW DARE YOU TAKE TIME OFF FROM THE FACTORY!!!
YOU DON'T NEED CHEMOTHERAPY, YOU JUST NEED TO WORK HARDER!!!
Oh, my mistake? Is cancer acceptable?
Maybe only for the rich. The worked HARD ENOUGH to earn it.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:29:04 EST (#)
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Ok I"m sorry that was uncalled for.
I'm gonna go spend some money that I earned, you'll prolly be doing the same later today .
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:28:14 EST (#)
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and those prescriptions seem to be well worth the money
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:27:30 EST (#)
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Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:19:58 EST (#)
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Kaos - it is not greed to want to keep what you earn. Greed is demanding what you haven't earned. So buy your cigarettes with SSDI tax dollars, take your untaxed book royalties and make sure nobody touches that money, and tell me again between rasping breaths how greedy I am.
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Great, I'll get RIGHT to work!
I assume YOU'LL be paying my $1000 a month prescription bill?
Because - as I've now stated - it's the ONLY reason I've stayed on SSDI all this time.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:24:10 EST (#)
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ironic below
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:22:59 EST (#)
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Indo, go nazi goosestep your super-alter elsewhere.
Seriously, you've become like an exaggerated cartoon character...
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:22:35 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:17:09 CST (#)
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Actually I can. The nose contains the same type of spongy tissue as the penis and it tends to fill with blood, swell and flush in the same way the penis does in anticipation of sex. The swelling leads to nerve compression which causes sneezing.
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Aye. Jeanneee speaks troof. All sorts of things swell and/or dialate in anticipation of the sexors.
Submitted by whiskey_jack (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:22:03 EST (#)
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This was kinda anti-semetic.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:21:38 EST (#)
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don't pick on Kaos.....we're just fulfilling the hate part of our Love/Hate relationship...later he'll be blowing me with his trach hole
Submitted by cuberat (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:21:29 EST (#)
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In the past I've always agreed with you. On this though, I think you are wrong. It's not as simple and easy as you think.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:20:19 EST (#)
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Well fuck me (atchoo) knowing is half the battle
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:19:58 EST (#)
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Kaos - it is not greed to want to keep what you earn. Greed is demanding what you haven't earned. So buy your cigarettes with SSDI tax dollars, take your untaxed book royalties and make sure nobody touches that money, and tell me again between rasping breaths how greedy I am.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:19:14 EST (#)
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Yeah I'm serious. That's actually one of the only serious comments I've made on here all day.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:18:53 EST (#)
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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:12:15 EST (#)
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Indo - care to clarify how stating a simple fact about greed in our society makes me a hypocrite? Nowhere did I claim exemption from that - at least not pertaining to the past. You don't know me, so your judgment of me is amusing at best.
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Someone thinking their money shouldn't go to someone who is capable of working to support themselves isn't greed. It is hypocritical of you to say someon who thinks like that is in no short supply of greed is hypocritical if you don;t spend every spare dime you have on those with less than you.
So unless you have nothing in savings, no retirement, and pass out all your extra change to anyone the street who asks for it, you are full of shit.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:18:16 EST (#)
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Get the fuck out...are you serious?
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:17:53 EST (#)
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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:12:15 EST (#)
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Arguing and worrying about money is ultimately pointless in the long run, because you can't take it with you when you go. Why not give what you can to improve the world and lives of others around you, as you are able to do so?
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Thorny wins.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:17:09 EST (#)
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Actually I can. The nose contains the same type of spongy tissue as the penis and it tends to fill with blood, swell and flush in the same way the penis does in anticipation of sex. The swelling leads to nerve compression which causes sneezing.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:15:19 EST (#)
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I sneeze in anticipation of sex....can someone explain that to me?
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:13:26 EST (#)
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Forensic that's just another example of the intrinsic evil of big pharm. Smoke some Mexican shwag, you'll be fine.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:13:02 EST (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:05:27 EST (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:51:51 EST (#)
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Besides don't you have to have a job, know what one is, get off GOV assistance before you can be part of this conversation?
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I KNEW you'd fall back to that... http://www.ubersite.com/m/119816#2815990
#1 - I'm on SSDI, which means although 3 doctors have signed off on my 'disability' papers, I can still legally work part time if I choose to. I was only working three or four nights a week at the bar. As long as I bring in less than $700 net a month, it's okay. I was only bringing in about $400. Combined with my $710 SSDI, it worked out just fine for me. I live a pretty spartan life and survive on coffee & cigarettes. Hell, my bills only come to $700. Currently the bar is closed for relocation, but I've been doing well with the books.
#2 - Any sales from the books don't count towards my SSDI income AT ALL. It's considered "Intellectual Property," and the payments are quarterly royalty checks. The same would be considered if I invented some gadget.
#3 - You must remember... I despise being on SSDI. I've refused government housing and the food card. I only stay on SSDI so that I can qualify for MediCare Blue and get my monthly medications, which without aid, would come in at a total OVER $1000. They don't make generics of any of the stuff I'm on yet. I've been on, literally, dozen of different meds, but these are the only ones that seem to work.
aaand #4 - You come live my life, Mr. Rich White Cunt Stain. You attempt to go on about $1000 a month. I'll even allow you to go without any health issues. Seems to me that you're villainizing people you can't even begin to identify with. The thing is, I actually can UNDERSTAND Nitty's anger in this post; I grew up in an area surrounded by a lot of Welfare Scum. Oh, there were some that truly needed it, and I could tell those stories, but you wouldn't give a fuck. Just like you don't give a fuck about my situation. All you can think about is your precious greed.
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Now seriously son.....I"m not rich but why would I want to come live your life? Its an obvious downgrade I mean you haven't even been able to buy a new necklace in the 4 years I've been coming here while I on the other hand can wipe my ass with the pages of your books for the rest of my life.
Who exactly am I "villainizing" and you don't even know me or how I grew up with a poor single mother, lived in her Hornet for 4 months, bounced from state to state looking for homes so don't even try it mister I grew up with my wholesome Teacher dad. You just can't see past the chemically induced rage to understand that some people who have made it actually started where you still are but decided they wanted something different.
So spare me your oft misdirected tardrage and go make up another excuse of a post for why no one is coming to see the all might FATah sign his books.
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:12:15 EST (#)
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Indo - care to clarify how stating a simple fact about greed in our society makes me a hypocrite? Nowhere did I claim exemption from that - at least not pertaining to the past. You don't know me, so your judgment of me is amusing at best.
DanielJackings - money rightfully earned by your work is not greed in and of itself, unless you adhere to Scriptural financial principles and are not giving back to God what is rightfully his. Then it's greed.
Arguing and worrying about money is ultimately pointless in the long run, because you can't take it with you when you go. Why not give what you can to improve the world and lives of others around you, as you are able to do so?
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:09:33 EST (#)
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This is making me sneeze. Well, maybe not this but something.
OTC allergy meds aren't cutting it. Whadda rip.
Here, take this for allergies! You'll be able to function at work and not feel like you want to dig your eyeballs out with a spoon.
THEY LIE!
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:09:08 EST (#)
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Submitted by SgtHartman (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:06:24 EST (#)
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I dont know about that indo, i mean take away the war on drugs you take away work from police, judges, corrections officers, parole officers etc.
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I do not think that the US will ever legalize ALL drugs, thus leaving work for the DEA and Border Patrol still checking for cocaine and the local PD's looking for meth and such.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:06:31 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:02:49 EST (#)
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Who knows? I just made that up. Probably nothing.
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haha, I was hoping for some half assed pot-head conspiracy.
Submitted by SgtHartman (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:06:24 EST (#)
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I dont know about that indo, i mean take away the war on drugs you take away work from police, judges, corrections officers, parole officers etc.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:05:35 EST (#)
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nitty.....its jersey....i'm with a new company....I need a new personlized mouse pad!
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:05:27 EST (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:51:51 EST (#)
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Besides don't you have to have a job, know what one is, get off GOV assistance before you can be part of this conversation?
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I KNEW you'd fall back to that... http://www.ubersite.com/m/119816#2815990
#1 - I'm on SSDI, which means although 3 doctors have signed off on my 'disability' papers, I can still legally work part time if I choose to. I was only working three or four nights a week at the bar. As long as I bring in less than $700 net a month, it's okay. I was only bringing in about $400. Combined with my $710 SSDI, it worked out just fine for me. I live a pretty spartan life and survive on coffee & cigarettes. Hell, my bills only come to $700. Currently the bar is closed for relocation, but I've been doing well with the books.
#2 - Any sales from the books don't count towards my SSDI income AT ALL. It's considered "Intellectual Property," and the payments are quarterly royalty checks. The same would be considered if I invented some gadget.
#3 - You must remember... I despise being on SSDI. I've refused government housing and the food card. I only stay on SSDI so that I can qualify for MediCare Blue and get my monthly medications, which without aid, would come in at a total OVER $1000. They don't make generics of any of the stuff I'm on yet. I've been on, literally, dozen of different meds, but these are the only ones that seem to work.
aaand #4 - You come live my life, Mr. Rich White Cunt Stain. You attempt to go on about $1000 a month. I'll even allow you to go without any health issues. Seems to me that you're villainizing people you can't even begin to identify with. The thing is, I actually can UNDERSTAND Nitty's anger in this post; I grew up in an area surrounded by a lot of Welfare Scum. Oh, there were some that truly needed it, and I could tell those stories, but you wouldn't give a fuck. Just like you don't give a fuck about my situation. All you can think about is your precious greed.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:04:38 EST (#)
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actually if weed was legal.....I'd just grow my own so the only tax I'd be paying would be on papers and shit
Submitted by nitty34 (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:04:04 EST (#)
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this is complete nonsense
I love it
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:02:49 EST (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:51:52 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:40:54 EST (#)
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Weed's harmfulness to public health and welfare has pretty much jack shit to do with it being illegal. It was made illegal back in the early 20th century because of ignorance, fear-mongering and puritanical attitudes toward race mixing. It remains illegal to this day primarily because of the power wielded by the pharmaceutical lobby over the federal government.
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WTF does race mixing have to do with it?
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Who knows? I just made that up. Probably nothing.
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:01:36 EST (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:52:53 EST (#)
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I'd open a pot bar....where we served BBQ babies for munchies.
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I will take an order of jelly and toast, with bacon and legs
Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:57:13 EST (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:51:51 EST (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:42:59 EST (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:31:59 EST (#)
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Besides don't you have to have a job, know what one is, get off GOV assistance before you can be part of this conversation?
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pwned
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:52:53 EST (#)
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I'd open a pot bar....where we served BBQ babies for munchies.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:51:52 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:40:54 EST (#)
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Weed's harmfulness to public health and welfare has pretty much jack shit to do with it being illegal. It was made illegal back in the early 20th century because of ignorance, fear-mongering and puritanical attitudes toward race mixing. It remains illegal to this day primarily because of the power wielded by the pharmaceutical lobby over the federal government.
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WTF does race mixing have to do with it?
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:43:29 EST (#)
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not only that jeanneee but remember money is made on war and the longest war to date....the war on drugs.
Think of all the Border patrol, customs officials, DEA that would be out of a job
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Not really. Take drugs out of the equation and the border patrol are still going to work. DEA would still have toher things to look at. At worst you would re-structure some people from DEA over to ATF to make sure that weed is being taxed.
You also have to consider how many jobs it would open up in pot bars, people rolling them for money etc.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:51:51 EST (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:42:59 EST (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:31:59 EST (#)
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what is everyone's definition of 'rich'?
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Dude, 250K? That's imaginary money.
"100K is no where rich"?
Are you fucking serious??? You come travel around Ohio, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, Indiana, Michigan... and YOU poll people to see how many make 100K a year. My dad had a MA in Technology and taught both High School and at a local University branch - he brought in 65K. 65K and raised 5 boys.
I think it's adorable how each of the people freaking out on the post, those who despise the welfare system, are all the rich white fucktards. Calm down... I know, you've already shouted about HOW HARD YOU'VE WORKED FOR IT many times now. But does that really matter? If we're basing it on that, then I guess a 7th grade English teacher is far less "worthy" than some idiot go can throw a ball real good.
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Ok spaz, calm down I didn't see any one "freaking out" on this post other than you and your 'medicated' self. I'm aware that it is relative to where you live in the county....I was born and raised in Kentucky, grew up in PA so I'm aware of financial diversity.
Where I live...100k is not rich but I will say that if you choose to live in those areas then you choose to live buy THAT standard of living...I chose to move elsewhere. You're giving me an example of your dad making 65k while he 'raised 5 boys' but when was that.....extrapolate that to modern day income and increases in the cost of living and tell me that it doesn't come out somewhere around 100k.
I never said anything other than jokes about anyone's 'worthiness' so please...spare me the dramatics.
Besides don't you have to have a job, know what one is, get off GOV assistance before you can be part of this conversation?
Submitted by PepsiCoke (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:49:28 EST (#)
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Yuck
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:47:00 EST (#)
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+3
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:43:29 EST (#)
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not only that jeanneee but remember money is made on war and the longest war to date....the war on drugs.
Think of all the Border patrol, customs officials, DEA that would be out of a job
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:43:27 EST (#)
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Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:28:07 EST (#)
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indoninja - Do you think the importing of weed would slow or cease if it were legal? And for those who go on vacation to resorts outside the US, would they be able to bring back a small amount for personal use as you can with liquor and cigarettes? I think these questions are what is preventing weed from being legalized. I think it is a moral issue for some, but a tax issue for other politicians.
Personally, I am all for legalizing even though I no longer smoke it. I have never seen a stoned person beat their wife or anyone else. Not sure how harmful the smoking aspect of it is compared to the damage alcohol does to the liver, but its not as if people smoke 20 joints a day, the equivalent of a pack of smokes daily.
My family has been affected by 2 deaths directly realted to alcohol, but none to weed.
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I really don't know if it would slow. I don't know if quality in america is better or if you could charge enoguh to pay american farmers to grow it. Even if it was mostly imported it could still be taxed.
I don't know if the tax issue is the biggest problem. I think it would be more alcohol lobby and religious right. The govt can find a way to tax anything.
I have never smoked it, but am for legalizing and taxing it, but wouldn;t have a problem with employers passing a drug test for employment.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:42:59 EST (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:31:59 EST (#)
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what is everyone's definition of 'rich'?
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Dude, 250K? That's imaginary money.
"100K is no where rich"?
Are you fucking serious??? You come travel around Ohio, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, Indiana, Michigan... and YOU poll people to see how many make 100K a year. My dad had a MA in Technology and taught both High School and at a local University branch - he brought in 65K. 65K and raised 5 boys.
I think it's adorable how each of the people freaking out on the post, those who despise the welfare system, are all the rich white fucktards. Calm down... I know, you've already shouted about HOW HARD YOU'VE WORKED FOR IT many times now. But does that really matter? If we're basing it on that, then I guess a 7th grade English teacher is far less "worthy" than some idiot go can throw a ball real good.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:40:54 EST (#)
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Weed's harmfulness to public health and welfare has pretty much jack shit to do with it being illegal. It was made illegal back in the early 20th century because of ignorance, fear-mongering and puritanical attitudes toward race mixing. It remains illegal to this day primarily because of the power wielded by the pharmaceutical lobby over the federal government.
Submitted by sage104 (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:40:29 EST (#)
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http://digg.com/health/Cigarettes_vs_Marijuana
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:39:13 EST (#)
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"Regardless of the THC content, the amount of tar inhaled by marijuana smokers and the level of carbon monoxide absorbed are three to five times greater than among tobacco smokers. This may be due to marijuana users inhaling more deeply and holding the smoke in the lungs."
There's this new thing....called "Google"
all kinds of info.
also...my deadbeat neighbor....he made this http://www.strangeminded.com/
Submitted by SgtHartman (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:35:53 EST (#)
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Muddy I was talking more about preservatives and stuff. Also that shit that makes them keep burning.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:34:27 EST (#)
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Weed has 4 times as much tar (dependent on the strain) as a cigarette
Submitted by SgtHartman (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:32:07 EST (#)
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fatman I have heard that 1 joint (because the smoke is so much more dense) equals about 20 smokes.
then again it doesnt have all the bullshit that cigs have.
Submitted by sage104 (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:31:11 EST (#)
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Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:28:07 EST (#)
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Personally, I am all for legalizing even though I no longer smoke it. I have never seen a stoned person beat their wife or anyone else. Not sure how harmful the smoking aspect of it is compared to the damage alcohol does to the liver, but its not as if people smoke 20 joints a day, the equivalent of a pack of smokes daily.
My family has been affected by 2 deaths directly realted to alcohol, but none to weed.
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Agreed.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:30:03 EST (#)
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Weedalyzer.......fucking get on it, patent that shit
This bum of neighbor I have, he's 28 lives with his parents....designed and patented a Beer coozie for bottles with a bottle opener in the bottom....I swear if his lazy ass gets rich I'll kill him.
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:28:07 EST (#)
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indoninja - Do you think the importing of weed would slow or cease if it were legal? And for those who go on vacation to resorts outside the US, would they be able to bring back a small amount for personal use as you can with liquor and cigarettes? I think these questions are what is preventing weed from being legalized. I think it is a moral issue for some, but a tax issue for other politicians.
Personally, I am all for legalizing even though I no longer smoke it. I have never seen a stoned person beat their wife or anyone else. Not sure how harmful the smoking aspect of it is compared to the damage alcohol does to the liver, but its not as if people smoke 20 joints a day, the equivalent of a pack of smokes daily.
My family has been affected by 2 deaths directly realted to alcohol, but none to weed.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:27:27 EST (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:21:54 EST (#)
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If weed was legal would workplaces still test for it?
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This and alcohol's monopoly on legal drugs would be ahuge hurdle.
Unless they came up with a cheap way to test right away if you were high (like breathalyzer) you cousl probably argue you could test for it for safety reasons on many jobs.
Submitted by sage104 (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:26:14 EST (#)
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And I'd definitely pay 30% sales tax on weed.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:26:06 EST (#)
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Some probably would. Alcohol is legal (and taxed) but it still causes safety issues. Same with weed. Workplaces with heavy machinery, public utilities, anything to do with public safety, daycares, etc. would definitely still test for drugs even if all drugs were legal.
Submitted by sage104 (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:25:36 EST (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:16:32 EST (#)
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I dunno...it's always been shwag, mids and kind buds to me
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There are countless names for weed. Above are different "levels", I suppose, of good weed. My ex, who lived in WA before we met and who lives there now, knows people who clone buds to generate high THC content buds and hybrids of sorts.
Also, it obviously depends on where you get it from. Afghan weed =/= Mexican shwag =/= BC (or other Northwest)buds, etc. My personal favorite are the BC buds. It tastes fresh and it's a cleaner, less foggy high, if that's possible.
I dont know...I'm such a fucking pothead. Weed makes me happy. :)
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:23:06 EST (#)
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I dunno...it's always been shwag, mids and kind buds to me
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Shwag is too close to to "swag" which is a prison term for peener my friend used to use. Maybe its only a Florida/Georgia prison thing, but still I do not want anyone to think I want to smoke "swag" instead of "shwag".
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yeah...I make it a habit not to hang out with pole smoking excons
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:21:54 EST (#)
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If weed was legal would workplaces still test for it?
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:21:31 EST (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:16:32 EST (#)
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I dunno...it's always been shwag, mids and kind buds to me
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Shwag is too close to to "swag" which is a prison term for peener my friend used to use. Maybe its only a Florida/Georgia prison thing, but still I do not want anyone to think I want to smoke "swag" instead of "shwag".
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:20:37 EST (#)
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Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:14:32 EST (#)
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Marijuana will not legalized as once possesion is no longer illegal, what stops you from buying it tax free from Dealer X and putting it in a package that has a federal tax stamp? Beverly Hills Cop flashback..."its a federal tax stamp, you can't beat that...can't get no cleaner than that!"
It would be impossible to force private dealers to pay taxes, whereas "Marlboro Chronic 100's" at the 7/11 would be taxed easily.
Do the kids still call it "chronic"? I am out of touch.
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Same reasons cigs are taxed.
They will still bust dealers, for selling it tax free. it will be "safer" for people growing it to do it out in th eopan and pay taxes, so the source for the dealers will dry up.
Submitted by SgtHartman (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:20:19 EST (#)
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thats what I thought.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:18:52 EST (#)
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Submitted by SgtHartman (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:01:52 EST (#)
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ninja do you think theres actually enough precious metal to account for all the currency floating about?
maybe if we start using diamonds.
I'm curious.
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there isn't.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:16:32 EST (#)
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I dunno...it's always been shwag, mids and kind buds to me
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:14:32 EST (#)
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Marijuana will not legalized as once possesion is no longer illegal, what stops you from buying it tax free from Dealer X and putting it in a package that has a federal tax stamp? Beverly Hills Cop flashback..."its a federal tax stamp, you can't beat that...can't get no cleaner than that!"
It would be impossible to force private dealers to pay taxes, whereas "Marlboro Chronic 100's" at the 7/11 would be taxed easily.
Do the kids still call it "chronic"? I am out of touch.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:12:30 EST (#)
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:32:07 EST (#)
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i AM of average intelligence. if i was smarter i'd be working less and have way more money.
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i seriously doubt you got this far in life with a 900 SAT score and a 3rd grade reading level. THAT is average in this country.
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I HOPE that isn't the national average, but...
My poor white trash neighbors were sitting outside a few months back, reading the job listings in the paper.
At first I laughed my ass off and seriously considered trying to sneak my camera outside and record that shit for youtube. These guys were literally struggling through ads of a dozen words.
"Whu- wanted. Fo... fo... fore-MAN for l-l-l-loading... dock. Co... comp... compet... Sal... a...ry based on ex... exp... expeeeer..."
I am not making that up. That's what I heard.
These guys are in their mid-20s, for Christ sake.
At first I laughed my ass off.
Then I was surprised by how depressing these guys seemed. They'll never read the newspaper, or Time, or or anything online aside from a forum filled with comments like 'HEYall no bitch-ASS niggah!' They'll never kick back with a good novel, or read a biography or a history, or hear a word and check it out in the dictionary just because. The written word means very little in their lives.
Their ignorance is a blessing. If they were fully aware of how preordained their lives are they'd probably commit suicide.
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i guess this post is now officially hijacked
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as I get older its harder and harder to get weed....I'm just out ofthe loop I guess
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It's because people start thinking you're a narc when you get past a certain age
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the key is to get a dealer the same age as you and "grow old with them" as it were.
its kinda like a marriage if you think about it.
until they go to prison of course.
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as I get older its harder and harder to get weed....I'm just out ofthe loop I guess
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It's because people start thinking you're a narc when you get past a certain age
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:04:04 EST (#)
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Not sure about the 3rd grade reading level as the average, but it is suggested in some managerial training classes that emails and memos be written in the 4-6th grade level so everyone can understand them.
That makes me sad.
Submitted by SgtHartman (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:01:52 EST (#)
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ninja do you think theres actually enough precious metal to account for all the currency floating about?
maybe if we start using diamonds.
I'm curious.
Submitted by SgtHartman (user info) at 2008-11-25 13:00:36 EST (#)
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knows that I walked into that one below...
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SIGH... sorry, we forgot that you were so smart and awesome. we should have said "indoninja" instead of "Ron Paul".
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Gold standard. Pre industrial revolution banking.
Nuff said.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:58:56 EST (#)
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like we'd have to ask?
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:56:46 EST (#)
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I promise you it's not just me "single-handedly" supporting the weed man. It's a community effort.
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this is true, I have seen the crowds in a white castle at 4 am on a wednesday night.
dont ask me why I was there...
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:57:50 EST (#)
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as I get older its harder and harder to get weed....I'm just out ofthe loop I guess
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I promise you it's not just me "single-handedly" supporting the weed man. It's a community effort.
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I'd happily pay 30% sales tax on legal weed. Just throwing that out there.
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:52:17 EST (#)
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I'd happily pay 10% sales tax on legal weed. Just throwing that out there.
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Jeanneee...single handedly supporting your local union weed seller for years.
I guess being a DAWGS fan you'd have to sedate in some way shape or form.
RUFF.
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FYI- welfare, unemployment, and some other mandatory spending lumped in there with those two are approximately 11.2% of government expenditures. that figure is current.
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If we were to seriously consider the birth control for govt assistance plan I would put govt savings a bit higher than that.
Kids of people on welfare are far more likely to got to prison, have bad health and in general be aburden to society.
I am not saying these peopel whould never have kids, but until they can prove they can take care of themselves I doubt they will be able to take care of kids.
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it's about time we agreed on something.
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:52:17 EST (#)
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I'd happily pay 20% sales tax on legal weed. Just throwing that out there.
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sales tax is being lowered to 15% here.
hooray
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Shit, make it 15% and I'll still be first in line to pay it. I'll even write a love note to the federal government and wear a flag pin on my taint every day for the rest of my life.
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I'd happily pay 10% sales tax on legal weed. Just throwing that out there.
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Yeah, that is what we need.
Some dried up old cunt who gets shitty ideas about the economy from people running from third rate asian scams. He wants to move to pre-industrial ages type banking. He wants the gold standard for christsakes.
My bowel movements know more about the economy than Ron Paul.
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SIGH... sorry, we forgot that you were so smart and awesome. we should have said "indoninja" instead of "Ron Paul".
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:27:04 EST (#)
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FYI- welfare, unemployment, and some other mandatory spending lumped in there with those two are approximately 11.2% of government expenditures. that figure is current.
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If we were to seriously consider the birth control for govt assistance plan I would put govt savings a bit higher than that.
Kids of people on welfare are far more likely to got to prison, have bad health and in general be aburden to society.
I am not saying these peopel whould never have kids, but until they can prove they can take care of themselves I doubt they will be able to take care of kids.
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Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:33:33 EST (#)
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rich is when you buy things without thinking what they cost.
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Perhaps we should have a higher sales tax on items over 60K (land/property excluded). Perhaps we should legalize hookers and blow and tax the everliving FUCK out of them, too.
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gay american
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:55:06 EST (#)
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ok, redskies, i see your point about doing it in bands. that's a whole different story. you should have mentioned that right off the bat.
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I think he did, but the language barrier got in the way. I knew what he meant because I had the same idea. It works out to the same tax for those making more and DOES help those making less.
Actually, if you are making over 200K a year AND paying top tax bracket, you need a new accountant because yours isn't hitting the loopholes properly. Most of the wealthy end up paying nearly 0 in taxes because their income (compared to dividends which were basically made untaxed in one of the tax reform bills) is actually low.
The rich don't work to stay rich. They invest to stay rich.
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I'm already disappointed in Obama for not selecting Ron Paul to a financial post in his government....that man knows a shit ton about the economy
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agreed. that would have been cool.
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Yeah, that is what we need.
Some dried up old cunt who gets shitty ideas about the economy from people running from third rate asian scams. He wants to move to pre-industrial ages type banking. He wants the gold standard for christsakes.
My bowel movements know more about the economy than Ron Paul.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:45:15 EST (#)
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Hidden101 is average like a fox
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:43:51 EST (#)
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i agree with skrap. i would totally work less if working more was just going to mean i have to give away more money.
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Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:35:43 EST (#)
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see 'produces' is an interesting word
What does japan produce, considering their natural resources?
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm fish? from what I understand they account for 15% of the worlds fishing market.
I think I'm wrong though.
not to mention being at the top of the technology mountain.
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60% on income over 100k
yipes!
Fuck that.
in America 100k salary is now where near rich
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but imagine if you didn't have to pay health insurance? or for your kid's college education after $3k/year? or you got a livable stopgap on the dole when you lost your job? or when you got old you didn't have to worry about working at walmart on your 90th birthday? that you didn't have to worry about your parents doing that. that you didn't have to worry about as much because you weren't completely dependent on yourself for support even though you pay taxes. and maybe not 100k, i'd say the 250k obama plan isn't a bad ceiling. i could live on $100k/year as a single person. if the minimum six figure income is not enough for a single +1 dependent to live on in most of the country then you are spending it wrong. if you have a family you get more tax credits obviously.
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Obama's already backed the $250K tax break ceiling down to $180K, tweaked the rates, AND said he'd have to adjust it further in order to get anything like what he wants passed. As I'd said before, his plan was and remains unworkable. Making a decent income and paying for what services you need while planning your own retirement is a much healthier economic plan than being taxed at 60% to cover people who can't be bothered to do it themselves. I fully nexcpect there to be a 70% tax bracket by the time he gets thrown out of office.
I get paid straight billable hours. No salary. The more I work, the more I get paid. No paid vacation (it costs me to take time off), no retirement plan (I do my own), but excellent heathcare coverage. If you're going to tax me at 60% over $100K and make me use government healthcare, honestly I'm very likely to clear what debt I keep now and just work 4-5 months a year unless I need a new car or something. Why try harder if it gets me so little return, and I can get the government to pay for all my necessities?
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:32:07 EST (#)
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i AM of average intelligence. if i was smarter i'd be working less and have way more money.
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i seriously doubt you got this far in life with a 900 SAT score and a 3rd grade reading level. THAT is average in this country.
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3rd grade reading level is average? i'd like to see some studies that explain this. i don't believe we're that bad off.
and i may have scored a 900 on the SAT. i don't even remember taking it. i got expelled my senior year of high school. i didn't really like school. i also dropped out of college because it too bored the absolute shit out of me.
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Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:33:33 EST (#)
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rich is when you buy things without thinking what they cost.
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I think that's too broad.
When I buy a car I haggle hard over the price and do my research but I don't clip grocery coupons or buy clothes because they are on sale
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:32:07 EST (#)
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i AM of average intelligence. if i was smarter i'd be working less and have way more money.
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i seriously doubt you got this far in life with a 900 SAT score and a 3rd grade reading level. THAT is average in this country.
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:31:59 EST (#)
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what is everyone's definition of 'rich'?
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you.
your definition might be someone who makes a mil a year or more because you make so much money compared to most of us.
i used to make double what i make now and i didn't feel rich, just real well off. but another 100 grand a year would have done it for me!
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:35:43 EST (#)
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see 'produces' is an interesting word
What does japan produce, considering their natural resources?
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then we should go back to serfdom or start cooperative farming and back away from being a service economy. our country as a whole is not self reliant on natural resources, why should the people individually be so?
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But inion we used to be self reliant, not so long ago! we as a people have allowed our greed driven capitalist economy to outsource us into becoming a nation of consumers only. What amazes me is how long anyone could have though a country that consumes MUCH more than it produces (not to mention the jobs that create the products you and I buy are overseas) could survive. I say (in a very Tyler Durden way) to let it all fall apart and re-start again.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:33:33 EST (#)
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rich is when you buy things without thinking what they cost.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:32:07 EST (#)
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i AM of average intelligence. if i was smarter i'd be working less and have way more money.
i honestly believe that most people could take the same path i did in life and get a fairly similar outcome. if you don't, then lets not continue this conversation because it would be pointless because i'm not going to change my mind.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:31:59 EST (#)
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what is everyone's definition of 'rich'?
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How much do you fantasize that welfare actually costs us? As a percentage of the federal (or any state) budget? It is hardly "eating us alive like a cancer" when it is in fact such a small amount of the total budget. When hundreds of billions of dollars are cast around routinely to bail out banks, you waste our time with this pittance.
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This post isn't about the banks. It's about welfare.
And moreover, it's about motivating the population to become more self reliant.
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Nonetheless you don't address my issues with this because you got no answers, dumbass.
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Worthless ideas from a neocon. Welfare abuse by the poor is the least of our worries.
Now welfare abuse by the rich- that is a problem we should be talking about. How many trillions to the rich have we handed out just this year?
Also, "and in response to your question "what about the other people", i answer with this- fuck 'em. life isn't fair and no one ever said it was or that it should be."
is an admission of complete intellectual defeat. If you don't even pretend to care about things being fair then why the fuck should the poor or anyone else listen to anything you say? If someone ever robs you I hope you remember that "life isn't fair", and don't get angry about it.
You had better hope that the poor aren't half as immoral and greedy as you think they are, because in a battle for survival the rich will always be greatly outnumbered.
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Submitted by FilledwithHate (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:04:06 EST (#)
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How much do you fantasize that welfare actually costs us? As a percentage of the federal (or any state) budget? It is hardly "eating us alive like a cancer" when it is in fact such a small amount of the total budget. When hundreds of billions of dollars are cast around routinely to bail out banks, you waste our time with this pittance.
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This post isn't about the banks. It's about welfare.
And moreover, it's about motivating the population to become more self reliant.
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then we should go back to serfdom or start cooperative farming and back away from being a service economy. our country as a whole is not self reliant on natural resources, why should the people individually be so?
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:27:04 EST (#)
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FYI- welfare, unemployment, and some other mandatory spending lumped in there with those two are approximately 11.2% of government expenditures. that figure is current.
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i do other work that doesn't involve the military. how stupid would i be if i depended on a war to make money? wars don't last forever. you have to have other eggs in your basket.
and in response to your question "what about the other people", i answer with this- fuck 'em. life isn't fair and no one ever said it was or that it should be. 90% of people could have went down the path i chose. the only people that wouldn't have been able to take the opportunities i had are handicapped people. what; do you think that i had everything handed to me? i fucking chose my path in life myself and everything i've accomplished was through my own hard work and determination. the chips were down for me a couple times in my life pretty bad, but i still pulled myself out of my ruts. are you saying that not everyone is capable of doing that and that i'm supposed to somehow give a shit about that?
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no, i just didn't think you were of average intelligence. i stand corrected. you are just like everyone else and completely self-made.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:22:59 EST (#)
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I don't think there is any such thing as a completely 'safe' procedure...there is always a level of risk.
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Submitted by Lambchop (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:27:59 EST (#)
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Yeah, because forcing people (yes they are still humans) to go under surgery unless they want to face consequences from the federal government is not totally 1984ish. Why don't we turn into the Chinese while we're at it.
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"Face consequences"? Who is talking about fining or locking people up who don't get it? What exactly are the consequences in this scenario?
Making a completely safe and reversible procedure a prequisite for free money from the govt is nothing like China or 1984.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:15:48 EST (#)
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I wouldn't mind giving up so much of my income to taxes if I knew the money was being spent prudently on stuff that really benefits this country, like education, infrastructure improvement, health care for children, job training, stuff like that.
As it is, I know that the money is being spent on stuff like:
1. salaries of stupid waste-of-life federal government employees who shouldn't even be allowed drive cars and reproduce, much less decide policy
2. weapons to kill brown people for no good reason
3. useless, bloated agencies that have to invent ways to spend all their money or face having their budgets slashed the next fiscal year
4. bailing out giant mega-corporations who don't give a shit about anything but maximizing their bottom line
etc. etc. etc. on and on down the line
This does not make me a happy taxpayer. Frankly, I'd rather my tax money was spent on crack and booze. At least crack and booze will get somebody buzzed. (Just kidding, that's a joke, but seriously, I hate paying taxes to this asshole government)
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I'm already disappointed in Obama for not selecting Ron Paul to a financial post in his government....that man knows a shit ton about the economy
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agreed. that would have been cool.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:14:33 EST (#)
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ps- before anyone calls me a retard, what i meant to say below was "have eggs in other baskets" not "other eggs in baskets".
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I'm already disappointed in Obama for not selecting Ron Paul to a financial post in his government....that man knows a shit ton about the economy
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agreed. that would have been cool.
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ok, redskies, i see your point about doing it in bands. that's a whole different story. you should have mentioned that right off the bat.
i still disagree that we need higher taxes though. i think we just need to spend less.
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why would they just restructure the entire tax thing to make it in bands up to $100k and then just 60% for everyone over that?
also i find this ironic because if we spent less the smartest cut would be military spending and you'd be out of contract work if that's what you're doing.
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i do other work that doesn't involve the military. how stupid would i be if i depended on a war to make money? wars don't last forever. you have to have other eggs in your basket.
and in response to your question "what about the other people", i answer with this- fuck 'em. life isn't fair and no one ever said it was or that it should be. 90% of people could have went down the path i chose. the only people that wouldn't have been able to take the opportunities i had are handicapped people. what; do you think that i had everything handed to me? i fucking chose my path in life myself and everything i've accomplished was through my own hard work and determination. the chips were down for me a couple times in my life pretty bad, but i still pulled myself out of my ruts. are you saying that not everyone is capable of doing that and that i'm supposed to somehow give a shit about that?
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:09:32 EST (#)
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I'm already disappointed in Obama for not selecting Ron Paul to a financial post in his government....that man knows a shit ton about the economy
Submitted by SgtHartman (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:07:29 EST (#)
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honestly, tax percentages mean nothing when the govt collecting them can't spend or budget correctly.
I mean for christ sake if the U S of A was a goddamn business it would have been bankrupted years ago.
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Submitted by sage104 (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:01:27 EST (#)
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I'm acing almost everything I'm doing right now, Muddy.
Dont hate on my education...I'm getting it DONE, homie. I'll give motherfucking props to mySELF in the form of another framed sheepskin on my fucking wall and KNOW I earned that shit, bitch. And next comes my CPA license. Fuck you, you punk.
Besides, I dont claim to be skreet smart. I'd much rather be a bookish hermit who crunches numbers than be wise to the ways of assholes like you.
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Good on ya, I was just joking but don't pretend to know me....I am uneducated as fuck I just worked smartly to get where i am.
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Submitted by FilledwithHate (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:04:06 EST (#)
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How much do you fantasize that welfare actually costs us? As a percentage of the federal (or any state) budget? It is hardly "eating us alive like a cancer" when it is in fact such a small amount of the total budget. When hundreds of billions of dollars are cast around routinely to bail out banks, you waste our time with this pittance.
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This post isn't about the banks. It's about welfare.
And moreover, it's about motivating the population to become more self reliant.
Submitted by FilledwithHate (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:04:06 EST (#)
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How much do you fantasize that welfare actually costs us? As a percentage of the federal (or any state) budget? It is hardly "eating us alive like a cancer" when it is in fact such a small amount of the total budget. When hundreds of billions of dollars are cast around routinely to bail out banks, you waste our time with this pittance.
Depriving those on welfare of the right to vote is obvously unconstitutional and would just waste money in court costs. It is some crap that worthless turd Michael Savage has been blathering about--another dumb idea that will save nothing, cost more, and help us none at all.
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yes it is reskies
I just jump out of my skin looking at a 60% tax on anything
anything over half has psychological ramifications
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hahahaha. exactly. that's why i freaked out too.
i can't stop thinking about the last time i got a big paycheck and i was really excited and when i saw all that was left from the $20,000 before taxes was like half of that after taxes, i fucking flipped the fuck out. guess how much new kitchens cost? about 30K for the one i want. guess what 10K gets you? just the appliances for said kitchen. don't get me wrong, i love pitching in to make this country a great place to live, but GODDAMN DO YOU REALLY NEED TO TAKE SO FUCKING MUCH YOU ASSHOLES???
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ok, redskies, i see your point about doing it in bands. that's a whole different story. you should have mentioned that right off the bat.
i still disagree that we need higher taxes though. i think we just need to spend less.
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why would they just restructure the entire tax thing to make it in bands up to $100k and then just 60% for everyone over that?
also i find this ironic because if we spent less the smartest cut would be military spending and you'd be out of contract work if that's what you're doing.
Submitted by sage104 (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:01:27 EST (#)
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I'm acing almost everything I'm doing right now, Muddy.
Dont hate on my education...I'm getting it DONE, homie. I'll give motherfucking props to mySELF in the form of another framed sheepskin on my fucking wall and KNOW I earned that shit, bitch. And next comes my CPA license. Fuck you, you punk.
Besides, I dont claim to be skreet smart. I'd much rather be a bookish hermit who crunches numbers than be wise to the ways of assholes like you.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-11-25 12:00:01 EST (#)
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We pay 40% on top lot- plus 10% national insurance (welfare / health service etc) - which is matched by the employer.
It's not a big deal really.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:59:39 EST (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:55:29 EST (#)
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but it's not a choice for some people. i found out as of the 1st of january i'm yet again going uninsured because our company got told they're raising the premiums on the already high deductible plan we have so we're dropping that. people making the median income for america can't afford health insurance. they can't afford savings. they can't afford to retire. they can't afford that stuff and it has nothing to do with wrong decisions. not everyone has the capability to make a shit ton of money. not everyone's smart or skilled. some people are just dumb and honest and average. then what? are they not human enough?
i'm not saying YOU don't work hard for your money, but why are you assuming that people who aren't making anywhere near enough to just keep their head above water are only having it that way because it's their fault? do you really honestly believe that this system is really set up to help the average american citizen? do you believe that everyone is as smart, strong, skilled, inventive, lucky as everyone else? we're not all from teh same genetic pool after "human" so why would you think that people are really equal?
and having social insurance doesn't negate private insurance, it just means you don't owe 2 million dollars if you happen to get cancer. but then again, the response to that is "well just don't get cancer."
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Well duh.....of course dumb people don't deserve as much as me.
By the way I don't work all that hard but I did for a long time.
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:50:57 EST (#)
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you tell me where i said only people that make a lot of money work hard and that people that don't make a lot don't work hard. don't be ridiculous. i was trying to make a point about getting a job where i work half as hard and make half as much. end of story.
the hardest i've ever worked in my life, i'm talking about 16-18 hours a day (if i was lucky, i got to work a 14 hour day) for a year straight without any days off AT ALL besides a two week vacation in the middle of that year, my salary was $42,000. that's not even half of what i make now, although i still work pretty hard and have no life.
stop accusing me of shit you made up in your head. i didn't make any "blanket statements".
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but what i'm saying is what about those people that work twice as hard as you and make half as much. you did it yourself, you think that's right? you think that whatever opportunity that got you out of that shit arrangement is available to everyone? when it's not, what then? then what do they do? that's what i'm wondering. really, what do you think should happen to those people? say fuck it they weren't lucky enough? or hope they die before they retire. cuz that's the situation most people are in, they work hard, they can't live, they can never stop working. what do they deserve?
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:58:15 EST (#)
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yes it is reskies
I just jump out of my skin looking at a 60% tax on anything
anything over half has psychological ramifications
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:56:37 EST (#)
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sorry - in Europe it's pretty much all banded.
It is in America too isn't it?
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:55:39 EST (#)
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if sage gets a masters the world will end
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:44:00 EST (#)
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but what happens when you work hard and it doesn't get you that? you can't just blanket statement that people aren't working hard enough. you can't just deny poor people the right to a family, or retirement. this isn't logan's run we're all going to get old. why do you only deserve human rights if you can afford them? and why do people in this freaking country really believe that a high salary is indicative of hard work?
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dont get me wrong, I know that ALOT of people that make decent salaries work very hard to get them (my wife is one of them) but I also am not such a numbskull to believe that there aren't plenty of cocksuckers out there who barely work and have been graced or "juiced" as I like to call it into good positions at companies. Then you get assholes like myself who work hard here for years and never advance anywhere simply because the "ladder" doesnt really exist.
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but those are my choices aren't they...I don't have to put money away for my kid's college education and i can buy whatever insurance I want. maybe I don't want the same as everyone else, perhaps I"m willing to pay more for better coverage...maybe I don't believe in Over Funding my kids 529 in case she doesn't use it for college. If I work at Walmart when I'm 90 its because I made the wrong decisions along my way, I don't need the government holding my hand I'll make my bed and hope that its comfortable. All this worrying you are talking about seems very bothersome....why would I worry that much in the first place?
for the record I voted for Obama even though my household peaks over his 250k ceiling.
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but it's not a choice for some people. i found out as of the 1st of january i'm yet again going uninsured because our company got told they're raising the premiums on the already high deductible plan we have so we're dropping that. people making the median income for america can't afford health insurance. they can't afford savings. they can't afford to retire. they can't afford that stuff and it has nothing to do with wrong decisions. not everyone has the capability to make a shit ton of money. not everyone's smart or skilled. some people are just dumb and honest and average. then what? are they not human enough?
i'm not saying YOU don't work hard for your money, but why are you assuming that people who aren't making anywhere near enough to just keep their head above water are only having it that way because it's their fault? do you really honestly believe that this system is really set up to help the average american citizen? do you believe that everyone is as smart, strong, skilled, inventive, lucky as everyone else? we're not all from teh same genetic pool after "human" so why would you think that people are really equal?
and having social insurance doesn't negate private insurance, it just means you don't owe 2 million dollars if you happen to get cancer. but then again, the response to that is "well just don't get cancer."
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:55:06 EST (#)
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ok, redskies, i see your point about doing it in bands. that's a whole different story. you should have mentioned that right off the bat.
i still disagree that we need higher taxes though. i think we just need to spend less.
Submitted by sage104 (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:54:21 EST (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:12:53 EST (#)
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welfare recipients are not subsidized birth control in some states. i knew one girl on it. she got about $50/mo since she had a job and wic. she asked for an iud, which is permanent and the most effective form of birth control besides abstinence, and was denied. they wouldn't pay for the pill either. she had to pay for the pill out of her own pocket and went to planned parenthood because they do a sliding scale for payment.
our welfare system is completely fucking broken. it can take well over 6 months to find a job that pays rent. it's nice that you say push a broom whatever, but having that job, or two jobs, or three jobs in some places does not add up to the cost of living. i know a couple people that work more than one job and can't afford a rent around me. employers in the welfare recipient income bracket are pretty dick about employment since they like having a lot of part time employees to forgo having to pay for benefits or overtime. so you're talking unskilled labor that doesn't always qualify for job training, lives in small towns with dead economies based on the only walmart in 100 miles in any direction, no manufacturing base any more, and no farming work available.
you can't get rid of welfare until every citizen that needs a job can have one that pays for life. and bullshit if you think having a life outside feeding yourself isn't a right. people need to be involved in their communities and not feel like dirt poor assholes for psychological health. no it's not needed for survival, but america isn't cambodia and expecting too much less than the american dream is unacceptable. yes they should work for it, everyone should. but labor in this country is not paid based on work or dedication, the greediest assholes get the most money by theft and mismanagement and most of our people are terrified they're probably going to lose their jobs and everything else right now.
welfare isn't the problem. the problem is business integrity went out the window in the 80s and no one thinks about their community and society before they go making decisions that destroy local, interested business over cheap crap from china and having a newer car and bigger house.
if my government is not going to give me anything for my taxes, help me find a job i can truly live on, give me education just for being a citizen that turns me into a productive little bee in the hive then you can't get pissed if i become a welfare mom. if all you expect from a person is to become a drain then they will probably become one. if you make it clear to them that helping them is too much of a bother to do properly and thoroughly then why should they try? i'm definitely sure there are people that bilk the system. but if you tell people they aren't worth the investment to become better functioning members of society then why should any of them bother trying.
welcome to the red states.
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THIS is precisely why I am a financial statement auditor. I won't stand for corporate greed and my company is quite stringent about management salaries---we audit the FUCK out of them.
Oh...Forensic and Hidden...I do a LOT of not-for-profit audits, i.e. churches, church schools, etc. Only one out of all the churches I audit is actually doing well (a black church)...the others have dealt with fraud in the past (by their own EMPLOYEES for fucks sake) and have going-concern issues (actually Forensic that's the church I audit out in Kansas City).
Anyway, I am in a Masters program for accounting right now and I have written COUNTLESS papers on business ethics and aggressive accounting/tax planning. I could bore everyone with peer-reviewed journal articles and my own personal research on the subject but the depth and breadth of it all would likely bore the shit out of everyone.
*sigh*
Submitted by HighVoltage900 (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:53:36 EST (#)
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1. Limit welfare to a MAXIMUM term of 24 months. Unconditionally. No excuses, no do-overs.
=I like the ideas here.=
2. Effective immediately, no illegal immigrants are eligible for public assistance of any kind. At all. Ever.
~At the end of 3 months, if they are not a citizen, they are immediately deported.~
=That number may need to be changed. It takes years to get citizenship. But I understand the idea here.=
3. All women on welfare, between the ages of 14 and 45, are required to receive a surgical birth control implant.
=WHOA! WHOOOOA! HOLY SHIT NO! Man that is so wrong.=
4. Personalize all food stamps and government vouchers with an ID number. Issue each welfare recipient a photo ID card containing this same number (a barcode system would work as well).
=I really like this idea, but wonder if it would be cost effective. Unless the structure is already in place to easily implement this idea, I think it may be a wash.=
5. Effective immediately, welfare recipients lose all rights to vote.
=I'm gonna stop you right there. Not in America. I understand your reasoning for it. I really do. But this goes against so many principles that are explicitly stated in the Constitution and so many things I believe in, even to suggest it is deplorable to me.=
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:52:25 EST (#)
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http://listentotaxman.com
*shrug*
1 UK£ = 1.5166 US$
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:50:57 EST (#)
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Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:29:38 EST (#)
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60%? Is that a real idea or absurdity to prove a point? Where is the incentive to succeed if you face a tax rate that high?
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wow, that 60% idea is so ridiculous that fatmanpk thought it was a joke too....
you're really serious about that, aren't you, redskies? why don't you try making 100K and see what it takes to do it. you work your ass off to do it. i have no life because i want to make a six figure salary so that i can save for retirement and set myself up financially for if i ever decide i want a family. all i do is work and there is little time for play. but if i do this for a few more years, i can eventually get to the point where i don't have to work as hard.
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but what happens when you work hard and it doesn't get you that? you can't just blanket statement that people aren't working hard enough. you can't just deny poor people the right to a family, or retirement. this isn't logan's run we're all going to get old. why do you only deserve human rights if you can afford them? and why do people in this freaking country really believe that a high salary is indicative of hard work?
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you tell me where i said only people that make a lot of money work hard and that people that don't make a lot don't work hard. don't be ridiculous. i was trying to make a point about getting a job where i work half as hard and make half as much. end of story.
the hardest i've ever worked in my life, i'm talking about 16-18 hours a day (if i was lucky, i got to work a 14 hour day) for a year straight without any days off AT ALL besides a two week vacation in the middle of that year, my salary was $42,000. that's not even half of what i make now, although i still work pretty hard and have no life.
stop accusing me of shit you made up in your head. i didn't make any "blanket statements".
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:48:39 EST (#)
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5. Effective immediately, welfare recipients lose all rights to vote.
As with any working person in any country, any position, any industry in the world - if given the chance they would vote themselves a raise. Welfare recipients are no different. Historically they have voted along party lines most likely to raise their standard of living, with complete disregard to who might raise their standard of life. If a person cannot be self sufficient, he or she loses the right to choose our leaders. All they will do, in a nutshell, is vote for more money in their pockets, with little concern as to where that money might come from.
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also i think this is funny because that means republicans, who are consistently against social programs, will lose votes. the more educated and wealthier parts of the countries are democrats.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:47:49 EST (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:41:51 EST (#)
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but imagine if you didn't have to pay health insurance? or for your kid's college education after $3k/year? or you got a livable stopgap on the dole when you lost your job? or when you got old you didn't have to worry about working at walmart on your 90th birthday? that you didn't have to worry about your parents doing that. that you didn't have to worry about as much because you weren't completely dependent on yourself for support even though you pay taxes. and maybe not 100k, i'd say the 250k obama plan isn't a bad ceiling. i could live on $100k/year as a single person. if the minimum six figure income is not enough for a single +1 dependent to live on in most of the country then you are spending it wrong. if you have a family you get more tax credits obviously.
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but those are my choices aren't they...I don't have to put money away for my kid's college education and i can buy whatever insurance I want. maybe I don't want the same as everyone else, perhaps I"m willing to pay more for better coverage...maybe I don't believe in Over Funding my kids 529 in case she doesn't use it for college. If I work at Walmart when I'm 90 its because I made the wrong decisions along my way, I don't need the government holding my hand I'll make my bed and hope that its comfortable. All this worrying you are talking about seems very bothersome....why would I worry that much in the first place?
for the record I voted for Obama even though my household peaks over his 250k ceiling.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:46:42 EST (#)
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obviously my calculations are for the purpose of demonstration only and are in way the final answer.
I would point out that germany has very high rates of tax, and a generally thriving economy though.
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:46:32 EST (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:44:00 EST (#)
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but what happens when you work hard and it doesn't get you that? you can't just blanket statement that people aren't working hard enough. you can't just deny poor people the right to a family, or retirement. this isn't logan's run we're all going to get old. why do you only deserve human rights if you can afford them? and why do people in this freaking country really believe that a high salary is indicative of hard work?
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If you are poor and grow your family, is that the smart thing to do? If I cannot afford to live on my own, should I start a family that I know will require more than I can deliver?
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Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:40:17 EST (#)
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I'll pass on the long-pig, thank you all the same.
But verily I say unto ye, let us taxeth the churches and bask in the joy from a million squealing clergy.
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i'd love to see a) the mormons, b) the catholics and c) the church of scientology shit themselves.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:45:21 EST (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:39:34 GMT (#)
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my math is wrong....hmmm lemme see
100-60% = 40%=40k
50-30% = 35k
am I missing something?
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yep
You pay tax in bands
e.g.
$5000 tax free allowance
Up to $8000 25%
$8000 - $50000 33%
$50000 - $250,000 42%
Over $250,000 45%
So if you made 100000
the first 5000 would be tax free
the next 3000 would be taxed at 25% = 750
and the next 42000 would be taxed at 33% = 13860
and the remainder at 42% = 21000
So your total tax would be 35610
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:40:05 EST (#)
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Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:29:38 EST (#)
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60%? Is that a real idea or absurdity to prove a point? Where is the incentive to succeed if you face a tax rate that high?
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wow, that 60% idea is so ridiculous that fatmanpk thought it was a joke too....
you're really serious about that, aren't you, redskies? why don't you try making 100K and see what it takes to do it. you work your ass off to do it. i have no life because i want to make a six figure salary so that i can save for retirement and set myself up financially for if i ever decide i want a family. all i do is work and there is little time for play. but if i do this for a few more years, i can eventually get to the point where i don't have to work as hard.
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but what happens when you work hard and it doesn't get you that? you can't just blanket statement that people aren't working hard enough. you can't just deny poor people the right to a family, or retirement. this isn't logan's run we're all going to get old. why do you only deserve human rights if you can afford them? and why do people in this freaking country really believe that a high salary is indicative of hard work?
Submitted by sage104 (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:42:33 EST (#)
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Logged in just to rate...
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:29:15 EST (#)
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60% on income over 100k
yipes!
Fuck that.
in America 100k salary is now where near rich
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but imagine if you didn't have to pay health insurance? or for your kid's college education after $3k/year? or you got a livable stopgap on the dole when you lost your job? or when you got old you didn't have to worry about working at walmart on your 90th birthday? that you didn't have to worry about your parents doing that. that you didn't have to worry about as much because you weren't completely dependent on yourself for support even though you pay taxes. and maybe not 100k, i'd say the 250k obama plan isn't a bad ceiling. i could live on $100k/year as a single person. if the minimum six figure income is not enough for a single +1 dependent to live on in most of the country then you are spending it wrong. if you have a family you get more tax credits obviously.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:40:17 EST (#)
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I'll pass on the long-pig, thank you all the same.
But verily I say unto ye, let us taxeth the churches and bask in the joy from a million squealing clergy.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:40:05 EST (#)
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Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:29:38 EST (#)
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60%? Is that a real idea or absurdity to prove a point? Where is the incentive to succeed if you face a tax rate that high?
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wow, that 60% idea is so ridiculous that fatmanpk thought it was a joke too....
you're really serious about that, aren't you, redskies? why don't you try making 100K and see what it takes to do it. you work your ass off to do it. i have no life because i want to make a six figure salary so that i can save for retirement and set myself up financially for if i ever decide i want a family. all i do is work and there is little time for play. but if i do this for a few more years, i can eventually get to the point where i don't have to work as hard.
i will tell you this right now- if i was taxed 60%, i would either move to a country where i wasn't taxed so much or i would just work a shit job and make 40K and don't have to work very hard. i'm not just saying that. that's the truth. so you tell me who in their right mind would want to work harder than everyone else to make more money, only to give a ton of it away while the people making half as much or less don't have to work hard and don't have any of the burden?
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:39:34 EST (#)
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my math is wrong....hmmm lemme see
100-60% = 40%=40k
50-30% = 35k
am I missing something?
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:38:43 EST (#)
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1 € = 1.2938 US$ at the mo
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:37:35 EST (#)
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German tax rates on income
Up to €7,664 25%
€7,665 - €52,152 25% on band over €7,664
€52,153 - €250,000 42% on band over €52,152
Over €250,000 45% on all income over €250,000
plus there's a 5.5% compulsary solidarity tax which pays for health care and welfare.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:37:04 EST (#)
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you think a baby would need to be parboiled before BBQing?
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:35:09 EST (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:34:46 GMT (#)
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If you taxed 60% on a 100k the person brings home 40k
and you tax 30% on 50k the person brings home 35k.....where is the drive to do better in that scenario?
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No - your maths are totally wrong.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:34:46 EST (#)
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If you taxed 60% on a 100k the person brings home 40k
and you tax 30% on 50k the person brings home 35k.....where is the drive to do better in that scenario?
to me that breeds laziness....occupational slumming
Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:34:38 EST (#)
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What Katy said.
I was laid off for the first time in my life 2 weeks ago. I have been babysitting/delivering papers since age NINE. Neither me nor my parents have ever collected welfare. I have had working papers from the minute I could get them. I'm trying not to panic, but how do I know I'll be able to find a job that pays my bills? I am single, with no children, but that also means I don't have a partner with a salary to help get me through financially. I have a car payment, insurance, rent..and in 5 days my health insurance runs out. I still haven't received the COBRA packet promised by my job so that I know what the fuck I'm going to do if I need a doctor. I just filed for unemployment for the first time in my life, and it is estimated I will receive 50% of my salary, taxed. I am far, far from a materialistic person, but I can't live on that. I'm utilizing all resources available to me via Workforce Entry/Career Link, through the college. I'm looking for jobs every day. I know you aren't talking about me, and you make a fair point about the need for the welfare system to be repaired, but hell if this doesn't sound like it comes from someone who never truly fell on hard times without a safety net.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:34:23 EST (#)
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Income above 100k would be taxed at - let's say the same as the germans - 50.5%.
Income below that would be taxed at successively lower rates.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:32:51 EST (#)
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Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:25:59 EST (#)
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How to reduce the difference
Tax the richest. Nothing too terrible, try 60% on income above $100,000.
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please tell me that was a joke. i don't work my ass off to make a six figure income to give 60% of it away so that i am left with as much money as the guy that works half as hard as me. if you are joking, then ignore me.
i agree with FG and skrap. let's tax those churches and eat some babies! i'm pretty sure i can fit about two babies at a time on my grill.
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Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:25:59 EST (#)
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How to reduce the difference
Tax the richest. Nothing too terrible, try 60% on income above $100,000.
Why is this confusing?
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60%? Is that a real idea or absurdity to prove a point? Where is the incentive to succeed if you face a tax rate that high?
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Why not look at the top tax rate in the following nations:
Germany
Denmark
Sweden
Belgium
Netherlands
Finland
Are these struggling nations?
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:30:03 EST (#)
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"no where"
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Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:25:59 EST (#)
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How to reduce the difference
Tax the richest. Nothing too terrible, try 60% on income above $100,000.
Why is this confusing?
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60%? Is that a real idea or absurdity to prove a point? Where is the incentive to succeed if you face a tax rate that high?
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:29:15 EST (#)
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60% on income over 100k
yipes!
Fuck that.
in America 100k salary is now where near rich
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-11-25 09:05:51 EST (#)
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Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2008-11-25 08:50:51 EST (#)
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Oh and wtf, surgical implants so they can't give birth? Okay Hitler. Why not just line them up before the ovens, while we're at it? Seriously.
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Grow up. Seriously.
What the fuck does throwing people in ovens have to do with not letting them hve kids while on public assistance? People who want kids can still have them, they just can't sit around ont he govt dime and pump out more kids.
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Yeah, because forcing people (yes they are still humans) to go under surgery unless they want to face consequences from the federal government is not totally 1984ish. Why don't we turn into the Chinese while we're at it.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:27:20 EST (#)
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Let's tax the churches. Big time! Then pour that money into social programs.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:27:02 EST (#)
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I'd eat a kid....for sure....with some Cornbread and an ice cold Yuengling
not my kid mind you
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:26:38 EST (#)
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Profile - My next door neighbor (the poor white trash kid), and his half dozen friends:
All in mid-20s
All in perfect health
Not very smart, but more than able to work as evidenced by the fact that they will work on their shitbox cars for 6 to 8 hours at a time
NONE OF THEM ARE EMPLOYED
They have money for pot, cigs, beer, the latest Raiders gear, Little Caesar's Pizza (christ that shit is grim), sodas, snacks, etc.
They all have cars. The cars are unlicensed, unregistered and uninsured, but the PWT & Co. have money for gas, parts, oil, etc.
The PWT neighbor's girlfriend got pregnant at 17 (or so). She has an infant. The kid has TONS of clothes, toys, cars seats, food, medical care, etc. She doesn't work. Her parents don't work. She gets freebies from the system.
I once heard the PWT kid say (and this is an exact quote), "Fuck work. You work and you get fuck all. Don't work and you get whatever you want."
He's either claiming welfare or unemployment or his mom is getting extra cash for him as part of her assistance.
BTW, the mom is 57. She looks like Keith Richards with gray hair. She spent her life partying and fucking around, and now she has 5 kids by 3 different men and is claiming DISABILITY because she is too ill to work.
California is fucked.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:25:59 EST (#)
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How to reduce the difference
Tax the richest. Nothing too terrible, try 60% on income above $100,000.
Why is this confusing?
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:24:47 EST (#)
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Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:21:06 EST (#)
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Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:17:05 EST (#)
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Maybe reducing the gap between richest and poorest would be a good way to bring back America.
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How is that done? You cannot pay a Mcdonalds cashier $15/hour and its not right to pay a doctor the same. It is tragic that there are classes, but that should make people want to try harder to get out of their current situation and move up in the world.
CEO's make boatloads, as do lawyers...but why is it we demonize the former and not the latter?
Submitted by wookie (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:21:02 EST (#)
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have you noticed what ceos have done to our economy lately? that was pretty demonic.
also some mcdonalds cashiers do make that. it depends where you live, what hours you work and how long you've been there.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:24:44 EST (#)
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It has been scientifically proven that Beano is the most current obsessed with Uber champion. He takes over from IHAKF.
Let's have a round of applause for a very very sad man.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:21:31 EST (#)
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Having one child you can't support is a bad choice. Having five children you can't support is either complete stupidity or a willful act for profit at the expense of the productive portion of society and the welfare of those very children, neither of which should be rewarded in any way.
If it were only socially acceptable to eat babies, that whole problem might disappear in a couple weekend's worth of barbecues. My grill is big enough to put a toddler on the rotisserie, and I can probably get a couple newborns in the smoker, with potatoes even. Puts a whole new meaning on "Come on over for some brats and beers". But I digress.
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:21:06 EST (#)
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Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:17:05 EST (#)
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Maybe reducing the gap between richest and poorest would be a good way to bring back America.
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How is that done? You cannot pay a Mcdonalds cashier $15/hour and its not right to pay a doctor the same. It is tragic that there are classes, but that should make people want to try harder to get out of their current situation and move up in the world.
CEO's make boatloads, as do lawyers...but why is it we demonize the former and not the latter?
Submitted by wookie (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:21:02 EST (#)
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I thought welfare comprises a pretty small portion of both federal and state budgets (something like 1%?), and that the overwhelming majority of welfare recipients (something like 85%) did not in fact become dependent on it, but rather used it the way it was intended--for temporary assistance.
In fact, my understanding is that the real research (as opposed to the "I just pulled these numbers out of my ass" research) shows that it's a complete myth that our welfare system is destroying the country from the inside.
How about your stance on "corporate welfare"?
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:20:58 EST (#)
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its.
apostrophe fail.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:20:24 EST (#)
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also our social benefits are shit for everything. you get the cheapest everything possible and it's never enough. employment benefits are at best 50% of earnings. i lost my job in washington and got unemployment. they gave me $424/mo and TAXED IT. my bills, not including rent and food, were $450/mo. they didn't even cover that. welfare gets taken away as you get employment. it gets cut to the point where although the job is not enough because no, there is no better work out there for some people, the benefit slash was punitive and losing the job is better for your wellbeing than having it and trying to make it.
you have some severe misunderstandings at exactly how our government functions as a beneficiary to its citizens, especially it's paying citizens.
Submitted by Biteme (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:18:50 EST (#)
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poliss below
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:17:31 EST (#)
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I didn't even like you when we still owned you.
toodle pip!
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:17:05 EST (#)
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Maybe reducing the gap between richest and poorest would be a good way to bring back America.
Submitted by SkullBiter (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:17:00 EST (#)
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Then the UN UNnazi'd the world.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:15:20 EST (#)
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Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:07:11 EST (#)
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Am I naive to believe that women are not having children for the express purpose of increasing their assistance amount? I think it is partly due to poor choices and not baby farming.
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some women do. it bumps them up the list for section 8 housing a lot of times.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:12:53 EST (#)
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welfare recipients are not subsidized birth control in some states. i knew one girl on it. she got about $50/mo since she had a job and wic. she asked for an iud, which is permanent and the most effective form of birth control besides abstinence, and was denied. they wouldn't pay for the pill either. she had to pay for the pill out of her own pocket and went to planned parenthood because they do a sliding scale for payment.
our welfare system is completely fucking broken. it can take well over 6 months to find a job that pays rent. it's nice that you say push a broom whatever, but having that job, or two jobs, or three jobs in some places does not add up to the cost of living. i know a couple people that work more than one job and can't afford a rent around me. employers in the welfare recipient income bracket are pretty dick about employment since they like having a lot of part time employees to forgo having to pay for benefits or overtime. so you're talking unskilled labor that doesn't always qualify for job training, lives in small towns with dead economies based on the only walmart in 100 miles in any direction, no manufacturing base any more, and no farming work available.
you can't get rid of welfare until every citizen that needs a job can have one that pays for life. and bullshit if you think having a life outside feeding yourself isn't a right. people need to be involved in their communities and not feel like dirt poor assholes for psychological health. no it's not needed for survival, but america isn't cambodia and expecting too much less than the american dream is unacceptable. yes they should work for it, everyone should. but labor in this country is not paid based on work or dedication, the greediest assholes get the most money by theft and mismanagement and most of our people are terrified they're probably going to lose their jobs and everything else right now.
welfare isn't the problem. the problem is business integrity went out the window in the 80s and no one thinks about their community and society before they go making decisions that destroy local, interested business over cheap crap from china and having a newer car and bigger house.
if my government is not going to give me anything for my taxes, help me find a job i can truly live on, give me education just for being a citizen that turns me into a productive little bee in the hive then you can't get pissed if i become a welfare mom. if all you expect from a person is to become a drain then they will probably become one. if you make it clear to them that helping them is too much of a bother to do properly and thoroughly then why should they try? i'm definitely sure there are people that bilk the system. but if you tell people they aren't worth the investment to become better functioning members of society then why should any of them bother trying.
welcome to the red states.
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:07:11 EST (#)
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Am I naive to believe that women are not having children for the express purpose of increasing their assistance amount? I think it is partly due to poor choices and not baby farming.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:03:19 EST (#)
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After many years in healthcare, I've seen examples of both ends of the spectrum. I've seen the welfare queens popping out a kid every year or so and the government subsidizing their choices in life. I've also seen decent, hardworking people who may not have the best jobs in the world, or were downsized, fall on some hard times and need assistance (which usually isn't there for THEM).
There's got to be a happy medium.
I do agree with reforming government assistance. There is no reason to subsidize irresponsible reproduction. Children aren't commodities or things to be collected, they're human beings with as much right as you or I to have a decent shot at life.
Frankly, by being born to an impoverished parent who didn't necessarily WANT you, but had you just for the government benefits, the deck is stacked against you before you even take your first step.
Submitted by systemm-zer0 (user info) at 2008-11-25 11:01:06 EST (#)
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+2 I totally agree
I live the in the ghetto myself, I feel like I am the only one NOT on welfare, and no not the majority are black. Some are of latin descent some are just white trash.
there are women out there that just get pregnant so they can receive that fat welfare check. Just go to the grocery store, you will see women with 6 children and pregnant!
WTF STOP OPENING YOUR LEGS AND LEECHING OFF US!
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-11-25 10:57:46 EST (#)
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I'm with you on time-limiting benefits and capping child support benefits at 2 kids. I'm with you on deporting any illegals and any immigrants who are not actively pursuing productive citizenship including learning the national language of English. I'm with you on flat across-the-board refusal of welfare services to illegals - not just the usual free stuff but everything, meaning medical care included. No more anchor babies. I'm not with you on enforced temporary sterility as it will lead to increased spread of disease and related welfare healthcare costs. I'm on the fence as far as on welfare = loss of voting priveledge. If that were the case I strongly suspect that the next time a vote was taken there would be very little left of the welfare system, since only those who contribute to it rather than take from it would have a say in its existence. Time-limiting and capping benefits would accomplish the same thing.
Trouble is, there will always be people who simply will not carry their own weight and there will always be some people who want to enable that by continuing to provide money for laziness. To that group I say: If you will not limit welfare to two years, then you must take in and support a person whose welfare has run out until they do get their life straightened out. And their families, including all children they have while on welfare. That way you can pay for their welfare in the most efficient way possible, and we who don't feel it is right are not burdedned by their non-productivity.
Submitted by Littlebint (user info) at 2008-11-25 10:51:56 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by BeforeEmily (user info) at 2008-11-25 10:49:03 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Linus (user info) at 2008-11-25 10:46:24 EST (#)
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Everyone becomes employed, Capitalism dies.
Submitted by monkeyswithguns (user info) at 2008-11-25 10:39:04 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by czwij (user info) at 2008-11-25 10:34:07 EST (#)
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to all uberusers outside of your border?
a hearty get fucked to you, then.
bush is your problem USA, it tends to be overweight and rather ugly.
not always mind you, but statistically, europe has much better bush.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-11-25 10:29:39 EST (#)
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Submitted by DanielJackings (user info) at 2008-11-25 09:55:10 EST (#)
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And I agree with some guy below that welfare receipients shouldn't get bodily implants. That's a violation of bodily integrity. They should, however, get a huge chunk of their benefits taken away with each additional kid after they go on the dole.
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You have three choices.
-Limiting how many kids they have by giving them the choice to recieve benefits if they use a norplant (or some other effective and removable after it is no longer required birth control).
-Limiting how much money they get with additional kids (or taking kids away), which will end up hurting the kids.
-Giving them a blank check for public assistance.
I think giving them the choice of birth control is better than the other two.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-11-25 10:25:38 EST (#)
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Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-11-25 09:59:38 EST (#)
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Bosnia. Cyprus. Korea. To name a few.
I'd like to see forces sent to places like Zimbabwe over places like Iran.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but didn;t the UN enter those areas after hostilities ended?
I remember NATO doing the work in Bosnia. Korea was mostly American. Cyprus, I am not to sharp on.
Even when they go in to "stabilize" or disarm people that only works if the people actually want to disarm (see hammas).
Anyway my point is that the UN "peacekeeping" forces are generally only good for raping small children after wars.
Submitted by FALLEN (user info) at 2008-11-25 10:23:50 EST (#)
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i would vote for you if you ran.
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2008-11-25 10:23:42 EST (#)
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Submitted by JulsInsane (user info) at 2008-11-25 10:18:42 EST (#)
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What are you talking about?
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Someone must not be enforcing something or forged paperwork is being used. Here in Colorado the immigrants seem to live pretty well. New cars/trucks, $600 cowboy boots, jewelry....etc
Submitted by JulsInsane (user info) at 2008-11-25 10:18:42 EST (#)
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What are you talking about?
1 Legal immigrants are barred from all federal means-tested public benefits for five years after entering the country and barred from SSI and food stamps until citizenship. They are also barred from all federal means-tested public benefits for five years.7
2 Benefits available to immigrants include school lunch and breakfast programs, immunizations, emergency medical services, disaster relief, and others programs that are necessary to protect life and safety as identified by the attorney general, regardless of immigration status.8
3 Illegal immigrants are barred from the following federal public benefits: grants, contracts, loans, licenses, retirement, welfare, health, disability, public or assisted housing, post secondary education, food assistance, and unemployment benefits. States are barred from providing state or locally funded benefits to illegal immigrants unless a state law is enacted granting such authority.
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2008-11-25 10:16:03 EST (#)
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3. All women on welfare, between the ages of 14 and 45, are required to receive a surgical birth control implant
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I disagree, but something does need to be done. If you need to go on welfare, your benefits should not be increased if your family grows. Free contraception is available and precautions can be taken to prevent pregnancy from that end of things and while not 100% effective it is pretty close especially when you combine them (condoms and pills). I grew up in trailer parks and hung around ghettos and have seen people who, although not intentionally "farming babies", did seem to just keep adding to their tribe.
The other part of that is when the woman is pregnant, she may not be able to work due to physical limitations, therefore extending the time she is using the assistance.
If someone needs help while in between jobs, then I am happy to help. But when someone makes welfare a career, I have to wonder if we are helping them by not cutting htem off.
Now I am rambling...and uh...I need a snack
Submitted by samjohn (user info) at 2008-11-25 10:15:55 EST (#)
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Well I do agree that this country is in trouble but not so much for the reasons you state here.
My beef has more to do with potholes in the roads and people not bathing enough.
Maybe that second part DOES have a tie-in to welfare?
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2008-11-25 10:10:10 EST (#)
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I blame the Blue Collar Comedy Tour. And banks and insurance companies. And mason jars and digital clocks. And unscrupulous government contractors. And lace-up shoes. And blind deregulation of the major players in a pragmatically necessarily ever-increasingly quasi-socialistic economic system. And George Bush. And Congress. And welfare abusers. And unlicensed holistic healers. And the Schick® Quattro® Titanium, which is ridiculous. Mostly the Blue Collar Comedy Tour, though. Seriously, those guys are not funny.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-11-25 09:59:38 EST (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-11-25 14:07:00 GMT (#)
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Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-11-25 08:51:19 EST (#)
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A large force maintained for international efforts in strict agreement with the UN (an American built institution). There is still a huge place for peacekeeping and international diplomacy, but let's agree that nations that don't have oil deserve it too.
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What countries are thw UN willing to send troops into?
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Bosnia. Cyprus. Korea. To name a few.
I'd like to see forces sent to places like Zimbabwe over places like Iran.
Submitted by DanielJackings (user info) at 2008-11-25 09:55:10 EST (#)
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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2008-11-25 09:26:13 EST (#)
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The problem with the USA, and global society in general, isn't welfare. It's greed.
Which evidently you're in no short supply of, either, if you're that worried about welfare recipients taking what is "yours."
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If I work for a certain amount of money, why should it not be "mine"? Why should my pay for even one second of my work go to someone else if I do not want it to? This is not greed, it's fair return on effort. It's only greed if I ask for something I did not work for (e.g. welfare)
And I agree with some guy below that welfare receipients shouldn't get bodily implants. That's a violation of bodily integrity. They should, however, get a huge chunk of their benefits taken away with each additional kid after they go on the dole.
Submitted by skee (user info) at 2008-11-25 09:51:08 EST (#)
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Awww, they cut you off before Thanksgiving.. Poor baby
Submitted by sandmantate (user info) at 2008-11-25 09:48:26 EST (#)
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Wow, this is pretty extreme. You're allowed to have your opinions, but I'm happy to know that they would never see reality. Shit like this is why the 2nd Ammendment exists.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-11-25 09:33:14 EST (#)
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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2008-11-25 09:26:13 EST (#)
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The problem with the USA, and global society in general, isn't welfare. It's greed.
Which evidently you're in no short supply of, either, if you're that worried about welfare recipients taking what is "yours."
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What a fucking hypocrit.
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2008-11-25 09:26:13 EST (#)
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The problem with the USA, and global society in general, isn't welfare. It's greed.
Which evidently you're in no short supply of, either, if you're that worried about welfare recipients taking what is "yours."
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 09:19:15 EST (#)
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I would hate to be on welfare. It would make me feel like an utter piece of shit. Now a sugar daddy, on the other hand, I would have no problem with whatsoever.
Proud, but not too proud to be a gold digger.
Submitted by angrydrunk86 (user info) at 2008-11-25 09:08:12 EST (#)
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FINALLY!!!!! some one said it. I have been saying it for years if you can't take care of yourself what the fuck makes you think you can take care of another human being. I say we go one step further and make it so you could only have 2 children like in china, and if your a hillbilly none because he'd come out "special" anyway.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-11-25 09:07:00 EST (#)
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Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-11-25 08:51:19 EST (#)
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A large force maintained for international efforts in strict agreement with the UN (an American built institution). There is still a huge place for peacekeeping and international diplomacy, but let's agree that nations that don't have oil deserve it too.
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What countries are thw UN willing to send troops into?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2008-11-25 09:05:51 EST (#)
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Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2008-11-25 08:49:30 EST (#)
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Foodstamps in Michigan are issued on a credit card of sorts, with your name on it. Only you can use it.
And I do find it slightly annoying when the illegal immigrants open their wallet to make a payment of some sort at my work, and I see a foodstamp card in their wallet. I think everyone deserves to eat, etc... but I don't understand how someone without a social security number can get public assistance. We can't just turn a blind eye to a growing population, so I don't know what to do or think about it, really.
I completely disagree with welfare recipients losing the right to vote. That turns in to economic discrimination.
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People that aren;t citizensa of this country don;t deserve to eat on my tax dollars.
Economic descrimination would be not letting poor people vote.
Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2008-11-25 08:50:51 EST (#)
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Oh and wtf, surgical implants so they can't give birth? Okay Hitler. Why not just line them up before the ovens, while we're at it? Seriously.
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Grow up. Seriously.
What the fuck does throwing people in ovens have to do with not letting them hve kids while on public assistance? People who want kids can still have them, they just can't sit around ont he govt dime and pump out more kids.
Submitted by Biteme (user info) at 2008-11-25 09:02:56 EST (#)
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I love 3. That'll win em over.
Submitted by SgtHartman (user info) at 2008-11-25 08:59:24 EST (#)
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MUDDY FOR PRES
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 08:57:49 EST (#)
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and honestly....the core of what you are talking about here is the the REAL problem with America today.....this overwhelming sense of entitlement.
I'm entitled to a better job
I'm entitled to healthcare
I'm entitled to land
I'm entitled to my 15 minute break
I'm entitled to the hottest new shoes
I'm entitled to text my friends all the time
I'm entitled to talk to my parents however I like.
I'm entitled to whatever I want and the GOV better damn well come up with a way to get it for me...hence the masterful campaign run by Obama encouraging this sense.
Somewhere along the lines America forgot what it meant to work for something...not everyone but a large majority
Submitted by Falafel (user info) at 2008-11-25 08:56:20 EST (#)
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-2 Eugenics against the poor and a complete lack of understanding of why people go on social assistance.
Fuck off and die.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2008-11-25 08:51:19 EST (#)
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"Bring us your weak, your weary"
Naturalisation to be an easy straightforward process. If you can get nationality by being born there, you should be able to if you come with the earnest desire to work.
Free healthcare for all regardless of colour, race or creed. This is paid for out of taxes and money saved by reducing spending on war.
Free education up to and including degree level education for all who wish it to end once and for all the notion that americans are stupid.
An immediate cut in defence spending. Money for defence to be spent on defence of America, not invasion of other nations. A large force maintained for international efforts in strict agreement with the UN (an American built institution). There is still a huge place for peacekeeping and international diplomacy, but let's agree that nations that don't have oil deserve it too.
Honestly, I do understand where you're coming from Nitty, but your real concern is with the attitudes of people who are happy to take handouts, not that there is a system to care for the unfortunate.
Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2008-11-25 08:50:51 EST (#)
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Oh and wtf, surgical implants so they can't give birth? Okay Hitler. Why not just line them up before the ovens, while we're at it? Seriously.
Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2008-11-25 08:49:30 EST (#)
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Foodstamps in Michigan are issued on a credit card of sorts, with your name on it. Only you can use it.
And I do find it slightly annoying when the illegal immigrants open their wallet to make a payment of some sort at my work, and I see a foodstamp card in their wallet. I think everyone deserves to eat, etc... but I don't understand how someone without a social security number can get public assistance. We can't just turn a blind eye to a growing population, so I don't know what to do or think about it, really.
I completely disagree with welfare recipients losing the right to vote. That turns in to economic discrimination.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 08:44:57 EST (#)
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I can agree on 1,2,4 but not 3 and 5
the government should never be allowed to mandate physical alterations - you could however add a detractor...say you get child credits for all kids up to 3 and then after that you start losing credits or something like that
and taking away someone's right to vote...is unconstitutional.
other than that, when's the next clan rally, racist?
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 08:41:17 EST (#)
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KILL THE NIGGERS!