Nitty, get your head out of your ass (1021 hits)
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Submitted by PepsiCoke (View user info) at 2008-11-25 16:14:47 EST
Another armchair politician with a bunch of awful ideas that wouldn't fly on talk radio, much less in the real world? No, thanks! Stabkill and McCallum are enough.
"Welfare" is a substantial expense in this country. But while some wasteful welfare spending does exist, the vast majority of the funds in the welfare system are being spent efficiently. Of the few hundred billion dollars that go to unemployment, most of it is going to people that are not abusing the system. Almost all of it is going to people that are either unable to work or are trying to get work. We could drastically reform welfare and prevent leaches from abusing the system, but such plans to do so would cut into the pockets of people that are already suffering needlessly.
But all of this doesn't even matter when it comes to your proposals, since they don't even really save the country much money. They just kick more dirt on poor people. It's preposterous to suggest that your welfare reforms would even make a tiny dent in the nasty financial mess that has enveloped our country. You, sir, are an idiot.
The economy is fucked for a little while no matter what. If there are going to be any big changes that actually affect our economy, they are not going to have anything to do with welfare reform. Even if we completely eliminated unemployment benefits, welfare, and other government assistance, it would only save us a few hundred billion dollars, while leaving millions without food, shelter, or other basic necessities.
If we balanced our budget and pulled out of Iraq we would save more money than if we got rid of ALL welfare.
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Submitted by Herpes (user info) at 2008-11-27 10:00:17 EST (#)
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Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2008-11-26 23:41:07 EST (#)
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Submitted by PepsiCoke (user info) at 2008-11-26 17:35:09 EST (#)
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Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2008-11-26 16:59:54 EST (#)
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Like any surviving institution, it has a solid purpose. And like any surviving institution, it needs constant reformation.
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Exactly. There are plenty of holes in the system, because there are holes in all large institutions. But it is relatively efficient when compared to other government institutions that are bleeding more money at a faster rate. There is nothing wrong with welfare reform that trims the fat without sacrificing essential benefits. But converting our welfare system to something like what nitty suggested would not save us much money, and it would infringe on civil liberties and some pretty intimate personal freedoms.
All of our institutions should be constantly reformed to become more efficient. But singling out welfare as the culprit is so dumb.
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Again, I don't disagree... but where are you getting your facts? What "other governemnt institutions" are you comparing Welfare to and how do you know the system is relatively efficient in comparison to it? Do you have facts? Figures? Reports published by reliable third parties? Are you an expert in the field? Do you at least have some conjecture or anecdotal evidence to add to your blanket statements?
The problem I have here is that you're calling Nitty out on partisan hackery, but you're doing exactly the same damned thing. Is getting out of the Iraq war going to magically resolve our economic situation? No. Is welfare reform going to be the magic wand? No. The one thing that is going to at least help going forward is if we can drop the bi-partisan act, sit down as people, and honestly review the fucking facts.
Submitted by PepsiCoke (user info) at 2008-11-26 17:35:09 EST (#)
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Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2008-11-26 16:59:54 EST (#)
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Like any surviving institution, it has a solid purpose. And like any surviving institution, it needs constant reformation.
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Exactly. There are plenty of holes in the system, because there are holes in all large institutions. But it is relatively efficient when compared to other government institutions that are bleeding more money at a faster rate. There is nothing wrong with welfare reform that trims the fat without sacrificing essential benefits. But converting our welfare system to something like what nitty suggested would not save us much money, and it would infringe on civil liberties and some pretty intimate personal freedoms.
All of our institutions should be constantly reformed to become more efficient. But singling out welfare as the culprit is so dumb.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2008-11-26 16:59:54 EST (#)
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While I don't entirely disagree with the sentiment, you come off as a pompous cocksmith.
The vast majority of welfare funds are being spent efficiently?
Really?
Huh.
From whence are you getting this quasi-superlative data? An independent and reliable third-party source, perhaps? Perhaps you are paraphrasing some manner of socio-economic expert? Or maybe you're just pulling it from your partisan, self-righteous ass.
You see, Opie, I used to operate in the realm of social work. And I can tell you that it is corrupt. And that the numbers are often fudged. And that most of the best and the worst of what they say about it is all true. Like any surviving institution, it has a solid purpose. And like any surviving institution, it needs constant reformation.
Unfortunately, they never get the firm kick in the ass they need because there are people out there stupid and naive enough to assure us that 99.9999% of all social work is being done properly and above the board. In short, shut the fuck up.
Submitted by PepsiCoke (user info) at 2008-11-26 16:28:15 EST (#)
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Oh, and Jack would be pleased to know that I also have two cats, and they cost me some money every month. But honestly, to save money, I just skimp on cat food and let them go hungry on occasion. And I don't buy them new kitty litter very often. They are ankle-deep in their own shit by the time I change that box!
Submitted by PepsiCoke (user info) at 2008-11-26 16:18:43 EST (#)
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You know, I should've just admitted this in my post. I'm actually on welfare right now and using food stamps. I use all my food stamps legally. I don't sell them to anybody, and I only use them on food or other essentials. I will try to work when I am able to. I live frugally. Yes, I do get drunk and watch TV sometimes, but that's just how I unwind. It doesn't mean I'm a lowlife slob. TV dinners five nights a week? You betcha. But that's just how I roll. Occasionally I splurge and go out and get a nice steak dinner or something, but that's only once or twice a week.
I smoke cigarettes, too, but that's only a few hundred dollars a month in cost. Can I say that taxpayer dollars are going to pay for my cigarette habit? Yeah. But give me a break!
Life is great right now.
Submitted by FilledwithHate (user info) at 2008-11-26 15:25:09 EST (#)
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Submitted by nitty34 (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:37:42 EST (#)
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Nice attempt. Go read a book.
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Typical conservative-pretends to be well-read, informed, intellectual, but after reading their stupid viewpoint you realize it is just worthless crap they pulled off of right-wing talk radio from some host that barely managed a GED.
Submitted by cuberat (user info) at 2008-11-26 13:48:36 EST (#)
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Amen Brother
Submitted by Replen (user info) at 2008-11-26 13:07:48 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by SgtHartman (user info) at 2008-11-26 12:17:19 EST (#)
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rad, you're so fucking...RAD
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2008-11-26 10:32:00 EST (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/24173
Submitted by SgtHartman (user info) at 2008-11-26 08:06:58 EST (#)
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wasn't this argument over already?
Submitted by BigBuffty (user info) at 2008-11-26 07:59:26 EST (#)
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man you should see the size of the turd i just left in the toilet
Submitted by iambetteratit (user info) at 2008-11-26 01:43:47 EST (#)
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... I just realised I don't care. None of you write policy so shut the fuck up. If you have an idea write your congressman instead of trying to be accepted by a bunch of liberal douche bags on the internet
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-11-25 23:27:22 EST (#)
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cutting welfare would lead to expansion in the law enforcement and prison industries, though
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2008-11-25 22:27:18 EST (#)
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Shut the fuck up.
Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2008-11-25 20:24:23 EST (#)
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You're retarded.
That is all.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2008-11-25 20:03:20 EST (#)
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Shit post, but I'll address nitty's concerns....
Submitted by nitty34 (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:37:42 EST (#)
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Typical asinine response.
"It won't work!"
Why?
"Because it won't!"
Fine. Reason?
"Because: 1) For anyone not convicted of a crime, requiring a medical procedure is unconstitutional. 2) Three months to get citizenship? Currently it takes years for LEGAL immigrants to get citizenship. Unless you want to amend those laws. 3) Making someone's income/wealth a factor in whether someone is allowed to vote is also unconstitutional. 4) Illegal aliens are already ineligible for federal aid. So, of your five suggestions, one is already federal law, three are not currently legally feasible, and of those two will never be legally feasible."
I'm smarter than you poophead.
Great argument.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2008-11-25 19:49:24 EST (#)
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You're the champion of the argumentum ad hominem fallacy. You've even ruthlessly attacked people who's taste in music differs from your own.
You will probably never spark any kind of authentic debate here because of this.
Submitted by BranDo (user info) at 2008-11-25 19:24:34 EST (#)
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Hi this is europe calling,
You're all from here in the first, second and third place and that's just fine with us.
We only wanted to let you know we moved to Beijing.
Please come and visit us there for a game of Mahjong.
Maybe you could bring your silly patriotism too?
Submitted by catscradle (user info) at 2008-11-25 19:17:32 EST (#)
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Oh yeah,
-2 for Pepsi.
Submitted by Sphagnum (user info) at 2008-11-25 19:07:34 EST (#)
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Sorry professor, I didn't realise you had the authority to construct any argument about anything with absolutely no facts or evidence whatsoever.
Just because you say something is happening doesn't make it true. Reference your research material fuckhead or shut your fucking mouth.
Submitted by PepsiCoke (user info) at 2008-11-25 18:58:13 EST (#)
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Submitted by nitty34 (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:37:42 EST (#)
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Typical asinine response.
"It won't work!"
Why?
"Because it won't!"
Fine. Reason?
"Stop the War!"
Now THAT'S applicable to this argument.
Nice attempt. Go read a book.
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So with this review, you're basically telling me that I'm relying on some kind of political dogma. But your review itself is completely dogmatic. You have no real points or argument. You just have insults and grandstanding. My post isn't complicated or long. You could respond to it very easily. You won't, because you only have idioms and arrogance.
Submitted by catscradle (user info) at 2008-11-25 18:55:25 EST (#)
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Maybe I've been gone from ubersite too long..
Shouldn't this have been a review and not a whole new post? Has the bar hit the ground again?
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-11-25 18:42:57 EST (#)
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stfu
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-11-25 17:41:29 EST (#)
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damn, Tony! where the hell did that reason and logic come from?
Submitted by Herpes (user info) at 2008-11-25 17:34:06 EST (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/24173
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2008-11-25 17:22:35 EST (#)
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I'm kind of a liberal douche, but I mostly just talk about my balls and beer and stuff.
Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2008-11-25 17:07:57 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-11-25 17:02:15 EST (#)
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I may have too many cats but at least I'm not a raging liberal hippie douche.
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Hey Jack, it's 26 degrees out today and I ran over a cat on the way to work. Now the little bastard has made a mess of everything. He mostly got scraped off the tire on the ashphalt, but I have frozen cat chunks stuck to the brakes and control arms. Do you have nay good tips for cleaning that crap off? I can go outside and take a photo if you want.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-11-25 17:02:15 EST (#)
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I may have too many cats but at least I'm not a raging liberal hippie douche.
Submitted by iambetteratit (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:58:32 EST (#)
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Do you scum bags come up with this stuff because you have worldly knowledge or because you think it's cool to be a raging liberal hippie douche?
Submitted by nitty34 (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:37:42 EST (#)
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Typical asinine response.
"It won't work!"
Why?
"Because it won't!"
Fine. Reason?
"Stop the War!"
Now THAT'S applicable to this argument.
Nice attempt. Go read a book.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:29:56 EST (#)
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I just sneezed
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:29:18 EST (#)
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This post makes me want to ram something large and pointy up mudwhistle's no-no hole. Weird.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:28:11 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Banjo (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:27:38 EST (#)
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another dull post....
Submitted by sandmantate (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:27:02 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:24:52 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:19:18 EST (#)
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Go away.
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This wasn't great, and you needed to flesh out your points better, but it wasn't terrible either. Jack is just giving you a retal -2. JAck hates anyone who doesn't appreciate his "litary genius".
Submitted by PepsiCoke (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:23:08 EST (#)
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BTW, I am in favor of Project Bootstrap.
Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:21:54 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by PepsiCoke (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:21:09 EST (#)
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Jack, show me your cock.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-11-25 16:19:18 EST (#)
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Go away.