Obama is NOT your friend (Part 1) (2001 hits)
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Submitted by cheerios (View user info) at 2009-09-21 13:16:01 EDT
Wake up Obama supporters! He doesn't give a SHIT about you or your family. As long as you keep eating up all of his lies, he will continue to ruin this country. Here's a link to a CNN page, with some intelligent responses I found cut and pasted to here.
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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/09/09/obama-if-you-misrepresent-whats-in-the-plan-we-will-call-you-out/
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Have you people read the text of any of the proposed legislation? If you haven't, you are giving the president a free pass. If you haven't read the text, no matter what you might hear the president say, you can't understand what you're supporting.
When there is a bill for the president to sign, will you demand that you be given the opportunity to read the text before he signs? If you don't, you're allowing this president to do whatever he wants. You didn't like that during the last administration. Why is it ok now?
Why don't we hear about some of the reasonable solutions? What about being able to purchase health insurance nationwide? What about Health Care Savings Accounts, where we can build our own "insurance"? What about making people responsible for their own health care decisions, instead of leaving them up to doctors, hospitals, insurance companies, or the government? Are we really, as the administration alludes, too dumb to take care of ourselves?
The government, regardless of who is the president, is NOT the answer. The people of this country need to stop expecting others to take care of them. Freedom is to succeed as much as it is to fail. Hard lessons make us a stronger people. Stop looking to government, and start looking at yourselves for the solutions.
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Let's see... It's partisan Republicans who are keeping this from happening (and yet, the Dems have enough seats that the GOP help is entirely unneeded). Those evil Republicans are using scare tactics (and if you don't support the President, people will DIE?). We'll make insurance available by letting companies compete for that pool of new customers (but we won't lift current regulations that prevent companies from competing in an interstate market?). We're going to remove all limits from insurance payouts (and somehow bring the cost of that insurance DOWN?). And we aren't even going to discuss the possibility of tort reform (which actually COULD bring the costs of insurance down).
OK, Mr. President. I'll listen to your assertions (again), but if you don't make more sense than this, I'll likely still oppose your proposals.
...I guess that makes me a mean-spirited partisan.
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if the president wasn't tone-deaf he'd realize that most of america doesn't want his and the dem's big gov't solution to healthcare. his speech is only going to further divide the already-entrenched camps who are polarized one way or the other. the president hasn't reached out to republicans for more than five months-way to transcend the bi-partisan divide b.o. if you really cared about a solution, you'd address tort reform, force cross-state availability of plans, and bolster portability. we don't need a 1000+ page socialist manifesto to do this. i'm looking forward to the crash and burn of this effort. keep talking, b.o-the more you do the more the support wanes and your popularity sinks.
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THIS IS NOT A republican vs democrat issue.
THE EXTREME LEFT just like the EXTREME RIGHT are wrong.
This is about America.
DO NOT let them pidgeon hole you into party affiliation.
This is a socialistic agenda brought to you by a lying cheating politician. He is a strong advocate of socialism and is anti the US CONSTITUTION.
HE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN THE CONSTITUTION.
The country is a free capitalistic society.
We value our freedoms and our own decisions.
DO NOT let congress republican and democrat take more of our tax dollars and spending.
They are not the experts and they are just a bunch of spenders.
We were born Free and we should fight for a free country.
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Obama doesn't have the votes. Recent roll call has 44 Democrats have gone on record in opposition to the current bill containing the government option. 57 liberal Democrats will oppose any bill without government option.
This portends a no-win situation for Obama. His whole presidency is hanging on this issue. All I can say is ......wow!
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"Everyone in this room knows what will happen if we do nothing. Our deficit will grow. More families will go bankrupt. More businesses will close. More Americans will lose their coverage when they are sick and need it most. And more will die as a result."
Who's using the scare tactics Mr. President? Who says we have to do "nothing"? I think most people can agree our healthcare system needs work. But what you've seen this summer is that many don't want the change you're trying to bring. If there is any kind of public option it will be bungled by the Fed like so many other programs: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. Not to mention that such programs are outside the constitutional mandate of the Federal Government and should be handled by each state as they see fit (but who cares about that wrinkled old piece of parchment anyway, right?). Even a very mild public option is undoubtedly a backdoor to eventually get to a single-payer system which Obama has previously admitted on VIDEO is his ultimate goal. When there is a low-cost public option, employers will be incentivized to drop healthcare from their benefits package and let their employees join the public system. Make no mistake, a public system will not be required to operate in the black, and will bleed red ink for miles as we continue to sink taxpayer money into it. This unfair competitive advantage will put insurance companies into a death spiral, eventually leaving only the very rich with any kind of "choice". Obama knows that if he can get a foot in a door now, eventually his single-payer dream will be realized. The tide of big government needs to be turned NOW. When we grow Government, we lose freedoms. We are Americans, we can pull together and overcome anything as long as our freedoms are intact. Government is NOT the answer!
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Republicans have put forth their suggestion but Dems don't want to hear it. Putting in regulations for the trial lawyers that go after doctors and making it available to get coverage in any state will bring down the cost tremendously. GOP has said that but of course you Libs won't hear that if you watch CNN, MSNBC, or any other leftist media wagon. You libs are going to ruin this country, it's a fact and history proves it to us. Please prove to me that I'm wrong without blaming Bush.
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Sounds like a scam. No cost figures. It will further bankrupt the country. "But who cares!" Not enough doctors, long waits, bad efficiency, and bad medicine just like the VA. Be aware the gov't option is bad. Where's tort reform? Since TR no gov't plan, what's the rush. BTW who are the advisors , and who wrote the plan he's proposing and show us the plan and it might a good idea if he stopped badmouthing doctors, insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies etc. The president is uneducated on this subject. He's a Chicago community organizer and continues to use his schemes that he used in Chicago. Wake up we're getting scammed.
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"...nothing in this plan will require you or your employer to change the coverage or the doctor you have. Let me repeat this: nothing in our plan requires you to change what you have."
It might be true that he won't require it, but he'll certainly create artificial economic incentives to do it - which produces the exact same result. If you believe his crap you're just not that smart, and you deserve to get exactly what you wish for.
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While we do need some healthcare reform, we don't need another bloated, fraud-ridden, inefficient government-run fiasco like Social Security and Medicaire which are shining examples of why there should be no such thing. Employer-provided clinics for routine healthcare, major tort law reform to end punitive lawsuit awards, ending practices wherein pharmaceutical reps give spiffs or gifts to doctors who prescribe their brands, ending referral fees doctors pay to each other, etc.
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Can someone calmly and rationally (and without name-calling and hyperbole) explain to me why there exists a widespread sense that each of us, as individuals, is incapable of — or should not be obliged to — providing for our own health care needs in the same way that we provide for our own grocery needs, our own household-furniture needs, our own automobile-insurance needs, and many other of our needs?
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From the excerpts, the speech sounds like classic Obama misrepresentation. If change in health insurance is so important now, why does this plan go into effect only in 2013? Drug companies support the Obama plan because they will reap huge paybacks as drug prices can rise uncontrolled by Obama in the public option. If you believe that the Obama plan will lower health insurance costs without rationing, you are very naive. Short of severe rationing, which already goes on Britain and Canada, we will have to raise taxes significantly to pay for this plan. Even with rationing we may have to — there is no free lunch.
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"And insurance companies will be required to cover, with no extra charge, routine checkups and preventive care, like mammograms and colonoscopies - because there's no reason we shouldn't be catching diseases like breast cancer and colon cancer before they get worse. That makes sense, it saves money, and it saves lives."
This is patently false, why does he continue repeating it?
There's no extra charge to do the work? Doctors are going to come in on their own free time and work for free? Hospitals are going to turn the lights on, and the power companies aren't going to charge them a bill? Studies show that widespread preventative care INCREASES costs, not decreases. Which only makes sense. If we decide to do a 500 dollar test for 50 million more people (25 billion dollars!), which then catches a small fraction of early stage disease, we're not going to realize a savings. Does this mean we shouldn't do it? Of course not, some things are worth spending money on. But, to say it's some sort of panacea or budget savior is wrong.
There's a reason the middle has left the President's side. Fantasies such as the above are one of them, personal attack of those who bring up legitimate concern with such fantasies is another.
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so now americans are going to die! Unless congress passes this thousand page bill with so many loose ends and blind curves, and it must be passed immediately!!
Mr Obama will not clarify anything with his speech tonight, he is trying to create that sense of urgency all SALESMEN need to create...
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Ah, all that was missing is "from each according to his means, to each according to his needs."
against the law to deny coverage based on pre-existing conditions???? This is the same as wrecking your car then buying insurance. This plan would cause private insurance to A) skyrocket in premiums B) go out of business...but that really is his plan anyway why doesn't the coward marxist just say it?
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This is another leftist canard.
Where are all the Dems who sandbagged Bush trying to reform Social Security?
Professor Obama is a gasbag and a liar. Everyone knows this will bury us in debt and destroy our economy.
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Folks really seem to be misinformed or propaganda'd up? The GOP has NOT, I repeat, NOT been asked or allowed to speak with the President and his administration in the White House since April...yes April. Boehner made that clear in an article today. So the lack of bipartisanship is not the fault of the GOP, it's Pelosi, Reid, and the President, who inexplicably delegated this healthcare reform bill to Pelosi and team. Look, I hated Bush, I voted for Clinton, I was against going into Iraq, I think Palin is a joke, I'm an Independent, but I see what I see...I owe nothing to the left or right. Pelosi's politics have been toxic, "we won" is all she says as she drafts bills behind closed doors. And though she says she wants the GOP to reach across the aisle, all she wants is for the GOP to agree with her views, or walk.
And Howard Dean told the truth, very honestly and clearly last week when asked why Tort/Medical Malpractice reform wasn't included in this so-called comprehensive healthcare reform bill....the Dems didn't want to go up against trial lawyers. That's sad because there's upwards to $200B in savings there. Docs pay $100-200K a year in med. malpractice insurance, and that cost makes its way to us the consumer, and goes up and up each year...and it results in as much as 1/3rd more tests and procedures than necessary. 83% of Docs say they do unnecessary tests/proc. just to cover their behinds in the event of a lawsuit...that's serious waste! And the high cost of insurance and low reimbursement rates from insurers and medicare are keeping students from even choosing the medical field, thus a serious shortage of Doctors.
And where's the cross-state competition in this bill? Geico, Progressive etc.. these companies are ultra-competitive with auto insurance rates, just like health insurance should be, could be...but nope, Dems won't put it in the bill. So ease up on attacking the left or right, the time for ideological junk is over...the bill should have ALL of the really good reform ideas in it, not just those of the Dems.
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Please take my property on pain of imprisonment so you can force others to perform services in a way you desire, Mr. President! I pray every day that my labor will go to the aid of others without my consent. I earnestly desire the Federal government to make policy regarding how doctors are to do their jobs, and if those doctors refuse to follow the best practices decided upon by a committee, I hope they are fined or denied payment for their services. I hope everyone considering going to medical school realizes that they'll have to put up with a monstrous bureaucracy that can't even do decent job with a car trade in, and they see the difficulty of managing transactions regarding complex and individualized medical services. I hope expensive procedures will be limited since they are not cost effective. It is my dearest wish that government mandated price fixing destroy the supply in either quantity or quality, but I'm certain that like most price fixing, it will do both. I have a deep desire to see another government run business doing trade in what is normally the private sector, as Fannie Mae and Amtrak are what I wish for the future of medical care. Most of all, I want to make sure that 20 percent of the nation has health insurance, even if it is poorly run and no one would choose to select it if they had another option, and it is important enough to do so that I'm willing to see the other 80 percent put into the same boat against their will.
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The PRESIDENT has REFUSED to meet with the Republicans since April:
Let's see:
No TORT reform.
No debate (a Republican Bill is blocked in committee by Nancy Pelosi)
The Republican plan is 43 pages, not over 1,000 as is HR 3200.
The fact is Obama is a FRAUD!
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The speech is socialism at its best. It is not name calling, it is simply
"government run healthcare". Just be honest that you simply want the gov't to run the banks, the auto companies and now the healthcare system.
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Everyone who's taken a macro economics class knows that unlimited demand and limited supply leads to lower costs! Why doesn't Obama just tell the school children that?
Spending money you don't have = saving money in the future!
This is basic public school math folks...
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I can understand the issue of compassion for those who may struggle with health insurance issues, but Mr. Obama's solution betrays both his duplicity in his claims and his ignorance of economics.
He says that you cannot be denied insurance for 1) pre-existing conditions and that they will 2) limit the fees you can be charged by insurance companies, and 3) they cannot place "arbitrary" caps. He has no clue of what it takes to run a business.
If insurance companies have to take anyone, regardless of pre-existing conditions, it will blow the actuarial tables apart and gut their ability to run - whether you like it or not, that is how they run - on profit, driven by having more healthy than unhealthy people on the rolls. Only the government can operate at a loss.
Limit the fees, they will go under. You reduce their income while increasing operating costs (pre-existing conditions), and they will go under.
The alleged "arbitrary caps" are not arbitrary. They are the product of the number of customers who have policies, how much it costs to insure them, and how much they can afford to pay out and keep running, and not go under.
Also, the "goverment option" will have no limits as to how much they can undercut the private insurance industry - all the Obama industry has to do is print more money, and they can low-ball the insurance companies in a blink. This will cause millions to go over to government insurance, as it is cheaper...funded by deficit spending...
Insurance companies make no more profit than any other business, when compared side by side. He is a fool when it comes to how the economy functions, and if his plan goes through the way he desires it, he will devastate the 16% of our economy and we will not be able to roll back the clock once that happens and we will rue the day...
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Propaganda. If health care reform is SO URGENT then why does the current bull put off any change until 2013?? Convenient that its right after the next presidential election. This is total bull, there is nothing in here to expand coverage and reduce costs, not to mention that we cannot afford any of it in our current financial debacle on capital hill. Anyone who believes this president and those pushing this bill are ignorant and have the wool pulled over their eyes. Wake up people, this is all about special interests and power, nothing more, stop believing the bologna they are spewing. Oh and talk about fear mongering - even our president is guilty of it!
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I have never read such garbage in my life!!! Either the words of our tyrant-in-chief or from many of the posters here.
Obama is using the most despicable scare tactic rhetoric to defend a complete and utter lie. He makes up lies and attributes them to the opposition... it's the Democratic politics of threat all over again... on steroids.
We now know that the White House has completely frozen the Republican leadership out of health care reform talks - refusing to even talk with them since April. He talks about the need for bi-partisanship - as usual to Demoncraps this means accept our position without any discussion or input and you're being bi-partisan.
The time has come for us to consider taking the steps that our forefathers did - I'm not advocating violence, just questioning WHEN we need to consider it. Is it when we have a President and Congress who are willing to bypass parliamentary procedures, invoke unheard of powers (44 CZARS who are exercising cabinet level powers and responsibilities without congressional oversight or confirmations), and whose motivations APPEAR to be to bankrupt our nation. (Don't LOOK but it's already been done - they just keep printing more cash to pay off the interest)
Anyone who actually believes that we can pay to insure 10-40 million Americans and save money - I have some great financial products you might want to "invest" in.
Do you people actually BUY his lie that the $2 trillion of total annual spending on health care (which pays the salaries of tens of millions of Americans) is going to bankrupt us, but that the $10 trillion Obama has already committed us to is going to HELP the economics of our nation?
What a bunch of idiots - you've elected a President who has a 4th grade understanding of economics and who is a greater narcissist than Bill Clinton.
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I work for myself and like my health plan, but based on this I MUST change my plan. Once again few details, what is the coverage, what about HSA's, how much is it going to cost. Who is going to pay for it.
This man doesn't get it. we need less goverment involvement. He is working to take away all our rights and he won't stop until he has complete control. Wake up america, it's not about reform, it's about the destruction of our nation.
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Why on earth should this thing pass? Everything the government touches doesn't turn to gold, it turns to crap. Social Security is on a collision course with insolvency, the Post Office is barely viable, Medicare is broke, face it... if the government gets involved in running something, it is guaranteed to fail. And you want to depend on them for your healthcare? No thank you, I'd rather live. Now if only I could do that in a world without partisan agents who only represent their campaign donors serving as our government.
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Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2009-09-27 20:36:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by cheerios (user info) at 2009-09-25 19:04:59 EDT (#)
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Stupid websites? Good lord, every site I have been to on youtube, google, nbc, has pages and pages of people upset with the government!
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Are you twelve?
A shutin?
Mildly retarded?
Name me a point in human history when a substantial percentage of a country's citizenry wasn't upset with its present regime? The facility of the web, coupled with your average American's exhibition fetish, means that yes, you are going to get a lot of people whining on Youtube/Google/MSNBC.
What you have stated above is a truism, and you should be forced to kill yourself.
Submitted by Foolproof (user info) at 2009-09-27 13:27:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Foolproof (user info) at 2009-08-28 13:09:13 EDT (#)
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The only people that even care about this "issue" anymore are the wingnut Republicans being fed their daily alloted dose of Frosted Fear Flakes from Fox News.
Submitted by sandmantate (user info) at 2009-09-27 12:14:03 EDT (#)
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I actually ran into Obama last night. We smoked a bowl, ate some taco bell (I got a bean burrito, no onions, and a quesadilla, he got 2 fresco soft tacos, the un-american bastard), and watched some adult swim. After that I beat him 2-3 arm wrestling, so we are in fact friends.
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2009-09-27 00:13:51 EDT (#)
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Oh...regarding my stupid little anecdote, I forgot to mention that most things I produce now gets reviewed by a Contracting Officer, a Contracting Officer's representative, and usually the Contracting Officer's representatives boss, and also usually some minions who go out into the field to reproduce some of the work I've already done in order to make sure that I'm not lying. So...let's say it costs the taxpayer 7 or 8 times more to pay me for the exact same thing that I used to do for the gov't. Yes...it sickens me, too.
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2009-09-27 00:02:21 EDT (#)
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Ah man, you shouldn't post political stuff when I'm on vacation. I missed all the fun.
I've read some of the reviews, and part of the post. As I have a habit of watching Fox News and listening to right-wing radio (like watching a train wreck...one just can't turn away...and yes, I have seen a train wreck...in the woods, as I am often in the woods; there was a box car full of #10 cans of tomato sauce that flipped over...that was pretty awesome; there was some nut sabotaging trains in Arizona a while ago; they caught him I think; my wife met him; he hit on her; of course maybe he was full of shit and just trying to get into her pants with tales of his derring-do), I don't feel the need to read all of your silly post. Where was I? Oh yeah,...
Health care. I'm tired of this subject. The Baucus plan is shit. Massive shit. This, based on what I've heard of it. I have not read it. The House proposal (yes, there are a few...I read *the* plan...what was it HR 3600 or something...it's on my computer, which hates opening pdf's ... oh but we've already talked about this ... okay ... you know which one I mean). It wasn't bad. Too complex, should have been proposed incrementally, and certain to be expensive, but not bad. Taxes would have to be raised. I'm okay with this. As you know, I argued with you about this for a while. I have no wish to continue, except to repeat: Every other civilized country has found a way to insure it's citizenry; it works, and the citizens are happy with it. It is right that we do the same. Oh yeah...virtually every thing I've heard on Fox and right-wing radio about this subject has been a bold-faced lie, but I have come to realize that right-wingers prefer to be lied to. Bully for you.
More to the point, I can't think of anything Obama has done that has made me terribly unhappy. I might have distributed the recovery funds a bit differently (I would have said fuck you to some of the banks). But he seems to have stabilized the economy -- remember talk of a depression was all over the place. The stock market has largely recovered (my own portfolio at 250% what it was in March...not including what I've added to it since then...so I've recovered everything and then some). This was an important first step. Most economists realize that spending money during a recession makes sense. The trick is to retract the spending when the economy starts growing again. (This is only one of the areas where Reagan failed...he continued to increase spending when the recession of the early 1980s started recovering.) Jobs are always a lagging indicator; they'll be coming back within a year...hopefully before the midterms.
I'm not particularly happy about Afghanistan...but I suppose he's keeping a campaign promise. Everybody knows that Iraq is the new haven for terrorism, thanks to GWB. Basically, we're fucked in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and of course I know everything.
I'm not going to get into why the Reagan administration is to blame for a lot of our problems, but it's fair to say that the anti-gov't sentiment that is so pervasive is largely due to the policies enacted at that time. (I blame Reagan for most of "our" problems, but really there's plenty of blame to go around -- Democrat and Republican administrations...every Congress...Christians...man I hate Christians...the hard-core kind anyway.)
Off the top of my head I can think of many things that gov't is admirably responsible for: the interstate highway system, a suite of reclamation projects which have provided incalculable benefits to our society, computers, the internet (look it up...it's true...gov't working with private interests), microwave ovens (and umpteen other inventions resulting from NASA research), the military, the postal service (yes, I said the postal service...you try to get FedEx carry a letter cross country form 44 cents), social security (which has always been a slightly profit-making trust fund (maybe not recently, with the baby boomers retiring, but I don't know), land preservation agencies such as the Forest Service...if you ever get outside, you should appreciate that we do, indeed preserve some of our lands, even if most (but not all) of it has been clear-cut before, veterans benefits, the FDA has been pretty good, with some caveats, the Coast Guard is awesome. I could go on and on, but the point is that the gov't has been instrumental in not just promoting capitalist ventures, but acting as a partner in countless successful partnerships.
But Reagan fucked all this, and instead gave us policies that lead to scandal after scandal after scandal which invariably cost the taxpayers a lot of money.
I'm drinking Jaeger, which I still don't know how to spell...it's in my freezer...I'm not looking right now...I think I was going to say something about how I'm all over the place and not making much sense, but that's okay...it's Uber. If you want to argue, I wish you'd offer some particulars about why you hate Obama. All I see are lies and meaningless generalities. I guess Skrap tried, but the Iran thing is more complicated than he presents it, and of course I know everything, especially on Jaeger.
I'll leave you with an anecdote. I use to work for the Feds. My Cost-to-Government at the time I left was about $35/hour. This included my pay, vacation pay, holiday pay, health insurance, and whatnot. I didn't get paid much, but the benefits were good, and I thought it was going to be pretty secure for a while. As you know, the Bush (43) admin was very hot and horny to privatize all sorts of gov't work. They met a lot of resistance at first, but then 9/11 happened, and I knew I was screwed. So I got laid off, and took a job in the private sector, doing pretty much exactly what I had done before. My company, which contracts mainly with the government, bills the government $120-150/hr for my services. For doing the same work. Great. I typically work about 50 hours/wk. (I have ridiculously high health care costs.) Well, thank you, taxpayers. I'm just one person (there are 10s of thousands with similar stories...thousands within my former agency), but you might consider this stupid little anecdote in concert with the exorbitant costs we've been paying for hundreds of thousands of private contractors in Iraq. I would roughly guess the cost of these guys is up to about 500 billion by now. Just a guess, but you get the point. (And if you don't, it is this: sometimes the gov't can do things a lot more cheaply.) The analogies that can be made with health care are unmistakable.
Anyway, I'm drinking Jaeger.
Submitted by cheerios (user info) at 2009-09-25 21:21:03 EDT (#)
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hate, were you refering to this video here?
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5330485n&tag=component.0
Submitted by FilledwithHate (user info) at 2009-09-25 19:37:29 EDT (#)
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Yeah, Beck just got pwned by Katie Couric; he looked embarrassing. Go ahead and take him. Anywhere else.
Hmmm....9/12 march, maybe 70,000 tops--Obama inauguration, how much was that again? Mind checking for me?
Submitted by cheerios (user info) at 2009-09-25 19:04:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilledwithHate (user info) at 2009-09-25 16:32:45 EDT (#)
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Comparing this whole argument about Obama's healthcare bill to "aliens do exist beyond any doubt" is laughable. It is a widespread belief (now held by the majority of americans) that this government is too powerful, and this healthcare bill should not be passed. As far as aliens existing...please find me a forum with loaded with posts on it claiming aliens exist, with undisputable facts that aren't shot down by any replies. Every website I visit on the topic of Obama has people voicing dissent about healthcare and this government in general. Try joining in the discussion.
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Visiting stupid websites where people believe the same stupid shit you do does not show that "It is a widespread belief (now held by the majority of americans) that this government is too powerful, and this healthcare bill should not be passed." Actual polling (NYT/CBS) shows the opposite. You in fact are of a minority, a shrinking regional minority, who sits and listens to racist bipolar idiots like Glen Beck and stupidly believe you have "facts".
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Stupid websites? Good lord, every site I have been to on youtube, google, nbc, has pages and pages of people upset with the government! ONCE AGAIN, i ask please link me to a site where a large majority of people on the forum are loving what president obama is doing, with all kinds of facts and opinions why, because i dont think it exists.
A shrinking regional majority?? Did you see the 9/12 march on Washington?? I checked the polls, apparently there are now 51% in support of the health care bill, with 48% against...my bad. I'm part of the shrinking minority. First time in weeks there's been more for than against. I'm sure that won't last long.
You won't get any facts from the liberal media, just ridiculous spin that claims the president has been creating new jobs, but not mentioning he is destroying more jobs than he is creating...but that's just a small, unimportant detail. I'll take Glen Beck, he does a pretty good job exposing what this government is really up to.
Submitted by FilledwithHate (user info) at 2009-09-25 16:32:45 EDT (#)
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Comparing this whole argument about Obama's healthcare bill to "aliens do exist beyond any doubt" is laughable. It is a widespread belief (now held by the majority of americans) that this government is too powerful, and this healthcare bill should not be passed. As far as aliens existing...please find me a forum with loaded with posts on it claiming aliens exist, with undisputable facts that aren't shot down by any replies. Every website I visit on the topic of Obama has people voicing dissent about healthcare and this government in general. Try joining in the discussion.
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Visiting stupid websites where people believe the same stupid shit you do does not show that "It is a widespread belief (now held by the majority of americans) that this government is too powerful, and this healthcare bill should not be passed." Actual polling (NYT/CBS) shows the opposite. You in fact are of a minority, a shrinking regional minority, who sits and listens to racist bipolar idiots like Glen Beck and stupidly believe you have "facts".
Submitted by willartstorg (user info) at 2009-09-25 15:42:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by w_t_a_y_s_t_r_m (user info) at 2009-09-24 10:09:05 EDT (#)
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I don't really care about Obama and all that shit, because it doesn't effect me.
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Doesn't affect you? Really? Let's recap some recent events...
A couple days ago Obama the US president pretty much threw Israel under the proverbial bus as far as Middle East defense goes, saying that the US would not back Israel militarily. Today Obama the G1 of the G27 (with Britian standing up there too) pretty much poked Iran in the chest about nukes, saying that they have until October 1 to stop what they're doing wrt making bombs. Iran will pay as much attention to that as they ever have, which is none at all. Israel has nukes, and Iran knows this. Iran may be very close or already has them too, or they would not be as bold as they are.
And now, a postulation...
Recall that Iran has said they will see the utter destruction of Israel. When Iran attacks Israel, probably with the help of conveniently-located Syria, I'll bet you a dollar that Obama the US president will place the US military under the command of the UN, and then Obama the head of the UN Security Council (with his overriding votes for being both US rep and Council Head) will prohibit UN forces from defending Israel. At that point there will be a war against two closely-located and nuke-equipped armies. Israel's army is far better equipped and trained than is Iran's, so when the Iranians start getting their asses handed to them in conventional warfare, what do you think they will do with those new missiles they have? What do you suppose Israel will do then? Does nuclear war affect you? It's a very real possibility in the next few years.
Submitted by cheerios (user info) at 2009-09-25 09:38:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by w_t_a_y_s_t_r_m (user info) at 2009-09-24 10:09:05 EDT (#)
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I don't really care about Obama and all that shit, because it doesn't effect me.
But you're trying to prove a point and show that your opinion is right by copy and pasting other opinions that agree with you?
Isn't that like me saying that aliens do exist beyond any doubt because other people claim to have seen them?
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Comparing this whole argument about Obama's healthcare bill to "aliens do exist beyond any doubt" is laughable. It is a widespread belief (now held by the majority of americans) that this government is too powerful, and this healthcare bill should not be passed. As far as aliens existing...please find me a forum with loaded with posts on it claiming aliens exist, with undisputable facts that aren't shot down by any replies. Every website I visit on the topic of Obama has people voicing dissent about healthcare and this government in general. Try joining in the discussion.
Submitted by Cakes (user info) at 2009-09-24 22:24:31 EDT (#)
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Just testing-- I have a humongous reply that for some reason won't post.
Submitted by MajulCartoons (user info) at 2009-09-24 20:41:02 EDT (#)
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I wrote this post about 2 weeks before the financial crisis.
It was relevant then, it's relevant now and will be relevant until all countries decide to end this stupidity and nuke the world :)
http://www.ubersite.com/m/118459
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2009-09-24 15:53:20 EDT (#)
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Thanks for writing it for me, icarus! much apprciated, and quite a correct assessment.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2009-09-21 16:20:15 PDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2009-09-21 15:20:54 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
For my own information, what is it about this post that makes you believe that Americans are the stupidest people on the planet? Is it the ranting theme? The subject? The opinions? Enlighten me.
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It's the crybaby, partisan temper tantrums.
It's the "<insert politician> not only hates Freedom, The American Way, and Puppies. He and <insert latest epithet for political group> also hates YOU and is personally set on using YOUR MONEY to destroy EVERYTHING YOU CARE ABOUT. Please sit here and listen whilst I rattle of PSUEDO-FACTS I cut/paste off some forum about his/her/their EVIL ANTI-AMERICAN POLICIES. OMGWTFBBQSOZ"
It happens on both sides, is outright encouraged by the mainstream media, and is the major reason that the American government can't reach a decent compromise on almost any topic. Temper tantrums have been a major thing in America since 9/11 ("OMG TERRORISTS!!!TERRORISTS!!!!WTF!!!!LET'S BARRICADE ALL OUR DOORS AND WINDOWS AND NOT GET ON PLANES AND LET OUR ECONOMY COLLAPSE WHILST WE HAVE A NATIONAL CRYFEST!!!!!!!!1111")
This is why we've lost a lot of respect worldwide.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2009-09-24 13:16:54 EDT (#)
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"loaded with facts" is a little misleading.
I scanned through and only found a handful of things that could be "proven", most of it is just opinion.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2009-09-24 13:12:50 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Icarus1987 - I get your point, and I agree with it that this post could have been formatted better, had more/better references, and all. Nonetheless I agree with most of what's in it (hence the +1), and I wanted to see it stay on the front page (hence the round up to +1.5). And with that, I have justified my ratings on this post enough.
Also: "(Just add "The Berenstein Bears Learn..." before it)" is funny stuff. Stealing that.
Also also: any thoughts on why it might have happened that, though about 75% of all Chrysler dealerships (pre-bailout) were owned by Reps, over 98% of the ones that closed under Obama's orders were owned by Reps, and very nearly all of those are in districts where Obama lost? Just asking. Inquiring minds, and all that.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2009-09-24 12:32:38 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2009-09-23 14:18:39 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Icarus1987 - You're making it sound as though I'm not allowed to have political opinions if they're different from yours. While I was never a huge supporter of Bush, I think that with all his faults he was still better than the alternatives.
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You're missing the point entirely. Not sure if it's intentional or not. I said that the political angle of a post is irrelevant to its quality. You could post views that are spot on to what I believe, but if you write them ALL IN CAPS WITH NARY A LINE BREAK, or the entire content is copied/pasted from a forum. I'd have to tell you it sucks. Because it does.
And it did.
This post was terrible. All the facts, or psuedo-facts, or partisan spin in the world isn't going to change it. Neither is a title that is, at best, at about a third grade level (Just add "The Berenstein Bears Learn..." before it). In most civilized countries, the author would be put in a pillory or forced to disembowel himself; not for his partisan views, but for being a terrible writer and wasting peoples' time.
Submitted by w_t_a_y_s_t_r_m (user info) at 2009-09-24 10:09:05 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
I don't really care about Obama and all that shit, because it doesn't effect me.
But you're trying to prove a point and show that your opinion is right by copy and pasting other opinions that agree with you?
Isn't that like me saying that aliens do exist beyond any doubt because other people claim to have seen them?
Submitted by cheerios (user info) at 2009-09-24 09:59:21 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2009-09-24 02:42:38 EDT (#)
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i havent seen something this obviously bat-shit insane since ETS 'went off the grid'.
i didnt even read more than 4 lines.
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bat-shit insane? it's loaded with facts (president hasn't met with republicans since april, this will devastate the economy), and opinions from everyday regular people, whose concerns are being ignored by the government. try actually reading it, genius.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2009-09-24 07:12:46 EDT (#)
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Thanks for tossing that out, Jeanneee. It's good to see the government being watched with a critical eye and real attention being paid to what's being said.
Also: yesterday the Senate finance committee voted 12-11 (12 Dems for, 10 Reps and 1 Dem against) to not release the full text of the Senate version of the healtcare bill to the public 72 hours before it's voted upon, which is the standard procedure. Instead they will release a "summary" written by the Finance Committee. A summary of a healthcare bill written by the finance committee - think about that. This is not a National Defense bill and there's nothing in it that's Classified. There are only two possible reasons for refusing to let you and I try to read all 1000+ pages of the Bill befor it goes to vote: 1. They think we're just too stupid to understand all the big complicated words they use, 2. They are ashamed of it's contents and do not want you to know about it until it's law (because they know that the large majority of Americans do not support the House version of the Bill), but they don't need your opinions anyway since they know what's best for you moreso than you do yourself. Which of those two reasons makes you feel good about your elected representatives?
Call your Senator and tell them that this is not right, and that you want to read the Bill. That they should post it on their website independantly of the FInance committee. Equally inmportantly, you want THEM to read the bill before they vote on it. If they refuse to do so it is an indication that they are feel the need to hide what they do from the people who vote for them and remain willfully ignorant, and you will remember it in 2010 and 2012.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2009-09-24 02:42:38 EDT (#)
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i havent seen something this obviously bat-shit insane since ETS 'went off the grid'.
i didnt even read more than 4 lines.
this post rules. please post more. the site needs more batshit clueless political commentators like you to give us all a reason to sign in.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-24 01:29:03 EDT (#)
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actually, yes, its been incorporated in our frenglish.
dude, tabarnak!
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2009-09-23 23:28:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-21 19:33:07 EDT (#)
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dude, keep your sarcasms to yourself.
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Apparently they're saying 'dude' in Quebec now.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2009-09-23 21:58:36 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
OK. Honestly, I didn't read about 95% of this, but I have to say, I am unimpressed with Obama's mostly flippant responses to the "tough" questions asked by the several people who interviewed him last weekend. And I must agree that his snubbing of Fox News was uncool. I'm not a fan of any political talking-head BS as a rule, but he should have sacked up and talked to O'Reilly. There, I said it.
Submitted by cheerios (user info) at 2009-09-23 20:40:26 EDT (#)
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obama has been appearing on all kinds of tv shows lately....why not fox news? thats what everyone's watching these says. fox news has the best ratings, msnbc is going broke....why not go on glenn beck's show, obama? he has some good questions for you.
Submitted by FilledwithHate (user info) at 2009-09-23 16:45:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2009-09-21 13:22:04 EDT (#)
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Conservatards FTL.
Submitted by linguafranca (user info) at 2009-09-23 16:45:30 EDT (#)
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Arguing your "point" by cutting and pasting the ignorant rantings of random idiots. Pathetic.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2009-09-23 14:18:39 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Icarus1987 - You're making it sound as though I'm not allowed to have political opinions if they're different from yours. While I was never a huge supporter of Bush, I think that with all his faults he was still better than the alternatives. In the last 2 years of his Presidency it seemed to me he was trying to hold back the spending floodgates. Here's why I have that opinion: from September 2001 (begin war spending) until February 2006 (begin Dem control of House and Senate), the National Debt climbed from 5.7 to 8.1 Trillion dollars. That's an increase of $2.4T in 4.5 years, or $0.53T/yr average. Not intimating that accuing debt at that rate is at all acceptable (because it isn't), but to compare: from Feb 2006 (begin Dem control of House and Senate) to the present it climbed from 8.1 to 11.8 Trillion dollars. That's $3.7T in 2.5 years, or $1.48T/yr, or nearly three times the debt accretion rate of the prior majority. That rate of debt accrual is also nearly three times as not acceptable. http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np
I doubt I'd lambast an anti-Republican rant to any great extent. There were many of them here during Obama's campaign. 1st Amendment to the US Constitution allows everyone to express their opinions whether or not they are agreed upon. I tried to express why I thought Obama was a poor candidate and what I thought would happen if he won, rather than rail against Dems as a whole. I said he wasn't qualified because of his lack of experience and personal history. The alternative (McCain) was better in my opinioin but not by any means good. I think I tried to keep my arguments positive. Now it's being played out, to the detriment of the country.
I said I'd give Obama 2 years to prove himself and his followers right. As I see it, thus far he's done a great job of associating with classy organizations such as ACORN, being caught lying about healthcare, being very indecisive and slippery on important issues, and generally behaving as the incompetent, inexperienced, power-hungry corrupt politician I've always thought he is. He has Jimmy Carter going on TV calling me a racist because I disagree with what he's doing, for fuck's sake. I didn't play the race card; he had his minions do it. Know what Conservatives aren't doing? We're not making it a race issue because it isn't one. It's a competence issue. Obama has no business running the country because he has no idea what he's doing. My opinion, of course.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2009-09-23 13:14:12 EDT (#)
Ranking: -1
NHS FTW
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2009-09-23 12:34:59 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Imagine someone had done the same thing -- same format, same general content-- leveled against Republicans. You'd blast them. Mercilessly. I don't disagree with the statement "Obama's not doing it right." I've yet to see a modern-day politician that is. I just think this post, when viewed as a post and not an agree/disagree on the broader topics, sucks.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2009-09-23 11:22:20 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Of course, I was entertained by http://www.timecube.com too, so snort that with a grain of salt.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2009-09-23 11:16:16 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Sandmantate - are you talking about the resistnet link on the Uberboard a few days ago? Oh, look - it's back. What makes you say those pictures were faked? I just googled for fake photos of the March and found one picture that was being circulated that was shown to be from another event (rather obviously so, since it was cloudy on the day of the march and the disputed photo shows it as very sunny). That photo was not included in the resistnet photos, by the way.
Icarus1987 - It was an interesting political rant, and I rated accordingly. I started off with a +1 rating and moved to +2 to keep it on the front page. I'm not rating the poster (don't know him/her) and while I agree with most of the sentiment in the post, I also said that it's a waste of time to try to convert anyone on Uber to a conservative view. If you don't like what he says or the way he says it, leave your argument and/or your -2.
Submitted by sexualchocolate1984 (user info) at 2009-09-23 05:10:15 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
I don't care. I live in Britain, where, for all of it's flaws, we get any medical treatment we need paid for by the state, however my work also pays for private medical care for me, but I still have to pay 20% of my earnings in income tax plus 15% of everything I spend, and 80% of my fuel spend.
Hang on a minute??!
Submitted by BranDo (user info) at 2009-09-23 04:42:51 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Come you masters of war
You that build the big guns
You that build the death planes
You that build all the bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know I can see through your masks
You that never have done nothin' but build to destroy
You play with my world like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand then you hide from my eyes
Then you turn and run farther when the fast bullets fly
Like Judas of old you lie and deceive
A world war can't be won, and you want me to believe
But I see through your eyes and I see through your brain
Like I see through the water that runs down my drain
You that fasten all the triggers for the others to fire
Then you sit back and watch while the death count gets
higher
You hide in your mansions while the young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies and gets buried in the mud
You've thrown the worst fear that can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children into the world
For threatening my baby, unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood that runs in your veins
How much do I know to talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young, you might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know, though I'm younger than you
Even Jesus would never forgive what you do
Let me ask you one question: is your money that good?
Will it buy you forgiveness? Do you think that it could?
I think you will find when your death takes its toll
All the money you made won't ever buy back your soul
And I hope that you die and your death will come soon
I'll follow your casket through the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered into your death bed
Then I'll stand over your grave till I'm sure that you're
dead
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2009-09-22 20:37:55 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Skrap - don't rate the author. Don't even rate the message. Rate the post itself. Even for a dogmatic rant, this sucked ass. It was a long. It was boring. It was entirely COPIED FROM OTHER PEOPLE'S WORK (WHICH ALSO SUCKED). If someone did the same thing in an anti-Bush post, you'd be all over it.
Also, if the facts get any more hypothetical in here, I'm going to kick a baby in the head.
Submitted by sandmantate (user info) at 2009-09-22 19:20:28 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2009-09-22 08:42:26 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
sandmantate - I was there, but I haven't posted any pictures. Didn't see a post with pictures of the March, fake or otherwise. Which ones are you referring to?
Here are a couple photos I took from my location about 200 feet from the stage on the Capitol west lawn. One facing the Capitol Bilding, one looking west. They are not faked.
http://www.ratpackcycles.com/lookingeast.jpg
http://www.ratpackcycles.com/lookingwest.jpg
Shred on, MacDuff.
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So... you are claiming to NOT be the one that listed picture links on the Uberboard?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-22 16:48:42 EDT (#)
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"I didn't protest Bush because he was trying to keep idiots in check."
lulz
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2009-09-22 16:11:04 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Well, Caul, thanks for keeping your mind open.
</sarcasm>
I think I've wasted enough time arguing US politics with a Canadian who isn't interested in even considering opposing views. One of my favorite signs at the March read "If Obama screws up healthcare, where will all the Canadians go?"
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2009-09-22 16:09:37 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Jesus...I'd rather consider having sex with caul before I'd read any of this longass, horseshit post or engage in "political debate" with a bunch of single-digit IQ uberites.
Ubersite- Officially on life support
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-22 15:54:05 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
skrap, seriously, i thought republicans were the majority until up 2006. i guess those 6 years went perfectly fine, eh?
last i checked, Bush presided over a pretty big govt expansion. Expansion of Medicare, no child left behind, two wars (one based on a lie) http://costofwar.com/...and those are $$$ issues. you haven't adressed the huge expansion of executive powers (hello there patriot acts) under Bush.
BUT HEY, HE WAS A GENIUS WHO KEPT THE IDIOTS IN CHECK!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLHS-z0iEq4
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-22 15:42:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2009-09-22 15:12:52 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
I didn't protest Bush because he was trying to keep idiots in check. Now that check is gone.
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i stopped reading after that hilarious sentence.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2009-09-22 15:12:52 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Caul - once again and as usual, you have it all wrong. Bush spent some to prevent the Dem-controlled House and Senate from spending much much more. He signed the first bailout after bringing the amount down to like 35% of what the Dems wanted. Even at that I didn't like it, because spending money you don't have, no matter who's doing so, is irresponsible. The problem is that the left doesn't see it that way. They think there's an unlimited supply and there will always be someone else to actually pay the bills. Now that there's no effective opposition (until we win back the majority in 2010), they're printing and spending money so fast that it took them less than 5 months to spend what it took Bush four years to restrict them to.
I didn't protest Bush because he was trying to keep idiots in check. Now that check is gone.
I don't care that Obama's half black; I care that he's incompetent and irrresponsible.
I care that the US national debt now equates to about $450,000 per US household and if the Dems keep going it will be $550K plus, and that's debt I don't think is responsible or necessary.
I care that the Dems who wanted all that 'stimulus' money have released less than 7% of it, showing that they have far less interest in putting people to work now than they do getting reelected in 2010.
And to head off your next comments, I don't care if gay people get married if they want to, if women have abortions if they want to, or if anyone worships a particular god or no god at all if they want to, as long as they don't get their beliefs/actions/bodily fluids on me. Libertarian, not Republican, see.
I watch Fox News on occasion, but I also watch CNN, MSNBC, and CBS on occasion. My satellite TV supplier has a neat channel called News Mix that lets me watch eight news channels all at once, and I can pick the audio from any of them. During the 9/12 March on Washington, you may be aware, Obama had a Town Hall meeting in Minnesota. I set my DVR to record News Mix from 6AM to 10Pm on 9/12. Playback shows it irrefutably: Fox News gave equal time to the March on Washington with the 1,000,000+ attendance as they did to the Town Hall meeting with the 15,000 'reserved' tickets and almost as many busses as there were cars in the Target Center parking lot. Every other channel covered the Town Hall meeting much more thoroughly than the March on Washington, and MSNBC mentioned the March on Washington only in passing. It's right there and easy to see; of all the US news stations, Fox News really is the best at providing fair coverage. That is why they have better ratings. You don't have to believe me. Since you probably get the US versions of MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News, you can do the experiment yourself.
...and I'm spent.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2009-09-22 14:48:26 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
tl;dr
Submitted by cheerios (user info) at 2009-09-22 13:58:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by 8bithero (user info) at 2009-09-22 13:43:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by cheerios (user info) at 2009-09-22 13:31:24 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
8bit, you're a raging retard. We're ignoring you because it's just a stupid claim. It's only the hardcore right wingers that vehemently oppose abortion and gay marriage. I am not one of them, and I'm sure skrap isn't either. The only thing I oppose is government getting this involved in our lives, taxing the shit out of us, forcing us to get auto/health insurance, etc.
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But the governemtn not allowing people to get married isn't getting involved in their lives?
Who's the retard now?
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YOU ARE. Jesus christ, I just said I DO NOT OPPOSE gay marriage or abortion. What the fuck is wrong with you?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-22 13:57:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by cheerios (user info) at 2009-09-22 13:28:51 EDT (#)
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The thing is, when a republican president gets voted in in 2012, Fox News will applaud everything he does and so will I.
Submitted by 8bithero (user info) at 2009-09-22 13:43:24 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by cheerios (user info) at 2009-09-22 13:31:24 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
8bit, you're a raging retard. We're ignoring you because it's just a stupid claim. It's only the hardcore right wingers that vehemently oppose abortion and gay marriage. I am not one of them, and I'm sure skrap isn't either. The only thing I oppose is government getting this involved in our lives, taxing the shit out of us, forcing us to get auto/health insurance, etc.
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But the governemtn not allowing people to get married isn't getting involved in their lives?
Who's the retard now?
Submitted by cheerios (user info) at 2009-09-22 13:31:24 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
8bit, you're a raging retard. We're ignoring you because it's just a stupid claim. It's only the hardcore right wingers that vehemently oppose abortion and gay marriage. I am not one of them, and I'm sure skrap isn't either. The only thing I oppose is government getting this involved in our lives, taxing the shit out of us, forcing us to get auto/health insurance, etc.
Submitted by cheerios (user info) at 2009-09-22 13:28:51 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
See folks, its not about right vs left here. Its about the people vs the government. Try to comprehend that. I have never defended President Bush, I think he was a horrible president, one of the worst we've ever had....but Obama is about 30 times worse. The thing is, when a republican president gets voted in in 2012, I honestly don't think things will even get any better. All he has to do is appeal to the "right-wing" masses, and he'll get elected on some hope/change style bullshit just like Obama did. Only difference is he probably won't have close friends that want to burn America into the ground, like Rev. Wright or Bill Ayers.
I'd like to see an independent get voted in, that would really shake up the system. For one to actually win a few state's electoral votes would be an accomplishment, and I think getting more people to vote for a 3rd party would become even easier. Problem is no matter who you vote for, the government always gets in. People may start with the best of intentions but the power of government corrupts, which is why We the People need to stand up for our rights, and stop this government intrusion whether it's against Bush, Obama, or the next president in 2012. And for the love of god please help vote out all of these terrible senators.
Submitted by 8bithero (user info) at 2009-09-22 13:16:49 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by 8bithero (user info) at 2009-09-22 11:15:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by 8bithero (user info) at 2009-09-22 08:47:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Foolproof (user info) at 2009-09-21 13:44:02 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
"This man doesn't get it. we need less goverment involvement"
Does this count with gay marriage? Because I always hear conservatives saying the government needs to stay out of our personal lives, but then they want the government to ban things like abortion and gay marriage.
I might be getting mixed signals here but what i think is happening is that conservatives just operate on hive mind mentality about whatever Fox News tells them.
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I'd like to see this answered by some "HANDS OFF!" Republicans.
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Seriously? Are the Republican hardcore here just going to ignore this glaring hypocrasy or are they waiting for Fox News to give them the answer?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-22 12:34:58 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
skrap, were you marching when Bush was assaulting your rights, spending your country into deficit and started the bailouts?
no. you were probably sitting at home, thinking everything was fine and dandy.
but now all of a sudden, after less than a year of a nigga presidency you're a revolutionary! :-O
what's changed?
admit it...the TV told you to get your unemployed ass off your couch and go marched and you did.
FOX ARMY FTW!
Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2009-09-22 11:43:58 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
bubba's reply is going to be in vein of 'you ued the wrong form of too moron"
Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2009-09-22 11:42:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by TuTs (user info) at 2009-09-21 22:37:19 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Well that is the aim of socialism. Giving people healthcare and education isn't going to bankrupt your economy.
Oops sorry I forgot though, Americans enjoy killing impoverished little babies, it doesn't matter if they are in Afganistan or in your own backyard.
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hahahha, I have new respect for TuTs.
Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2009-09-22 11:40:04 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by willartstorg (user info) at 2009-09-21 19:51:55 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
I was pissed by Obama's comparison of mandatory health care to mandatory auto insurance. Auto insurance protects YOU from loss if I fuck up. Health insurance protects ME from loss if I get sick and can't afford the bills. My choice if I want to get sick and die.
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This is to retarded for words. I mean this is fucking stupid, even for a half-witted, uneducated hillbilly like Bubba.
Yes Bubba, people choose to get sick. Old ladies choose to fall and break their hip. Children choose to get leukemia. Some people live healthy, never smoke, never drink, and stil get cancer :O. But they totally choose that.
Go away, you're a complete idiot, even more moronic than the poster.
Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2009-09-22 11:36:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-21 19:33:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2009-09-21 19:23:35 EDT (#)
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Isn't it about a third of the cost of your totally productive and successful Middle East conflict? Is that a good way to understand it?
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dude, keep your sarcasms to yourself.
just because the talibans control 80% of afghanistan after 8 years doesn't mean it's not success.
and look at iraq, it only took innumerable deaths and mass population displacement to have a barely stable hell hole.
and we all know that war is a lot more cool than healtcare for your own citizens
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that's about it.
Submitted by 8bithero (user info) at 2009-09-22 11:15:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by 8bithero (user info) at 2009-09-22 08:47:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Foolproof (user info) at 2009-09-21 13:44:02 EDT (#)
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"This man doesn't get it. we need less goverment involvement"
Does this count with gay marriage? Because I always hear conservatives saying the government needs to stay out of our personal lives, but then they want the government to ban things like abortion and gay marriage.
I might be getting mixed signals here but what i think is happening is that conservatives just operate on hive mind mentality about whatever Fox News tells them.
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I'd like to see this answered by some "HANDS OFF!" Republicans.
Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2009-09-22 11:09:19 EDT (#)
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I just want you to kow you sound like ets, skrap.
Not to mention *your* last president did more dismantling of the constitution/bill of right/ human liberties than the current administration could possibly do over the next 3-7 years
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2009-09-22 10:44:23 EDT (#)
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Caul - I have watched Glenn Beck perhaps 2 hours in my entire life, and that was at the hotel in DC. Yelling and hyperventilating doesn't make the words being said any more or less true, so I'm not much of a fan of the editorials that Fox News or CNN or MSNBC or CBS or ABC put on. Rush Limbaugh has become a bit unsettled since Obama has been in office (to the extent that he's almost as ridiculous as the lefty radio personalities) but he never fully represented my views since he's Republican and I'm more Libertarian. We on the right are not all mindless drone repeating what the TV tells us any more than all those on the left are mindless drones repeating what the TV and Obama tells them. Many of us fact-check and verify and actually read the legislation being proposed, so we have informed opinions. For example, I have read the entire HR3200, all 1000+ pages of it. That gives me a better perspective to opine on it than (I'll bet) any legislator that votes on it.
The March on Washington was not to promote a TV show or personality, but several of them were used to spread the word about the event. No different than when the left does it. It was about making sure that it was known that there are a large number of people who do not like a large number of the things that government is doing. These include spending, taxing, the method of healthcare reform, and mostly the systematic dismantling of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. Yes, there were some people there who had signs with Glenn Beck's name on them. It's a free country, for now, so they can put what they want on a sign. There were far more that had images of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, and Ronald Reagan. Those men would hate what's going on now.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-22 10:22:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2009-09-22 08:42:26 EDT (#)
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http://www.ratpackcycles.com/lookingeast.jpg
http://www.ratpackcycles.com/lookingwest.jpg
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how many hours of Glenn Beck do you watch every week?
is there even a bill on the table to protest anyway?
Submitted by congo (user info) at 2009-09-22 09:05:27 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by 8bithero (user info) at 2009-09-22 08:47:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Foolproof (user info) at 2009-09-21 13:44:02 EDT (#)
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"This man doesn't get it. we need less goverment involvement"
Does this count with gay marriage? Because I always hear conservatives saying the government needs to stay out of our personal lives, but then they want the government to ban things like abortion and gay marriage.
I might be getting mixed signals here but what i think is happening is that conservatives just operate on hive mind mentality about whatever Fox News tells them.
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I'd like to see this answered by some "HANDS OFF!" Republicans.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2009-09-22 08:42:26 EDT (#)
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sandmantate - I was there, but I haven't posted any pictures. Didn't see a post with pictures of the March, fake or otherwise. Which ones are you referring to?
Here are a couple photos I took from my location about 200 feet from the stage on the Capitol west lawn. One facing the Capitol Bilding, one looking west. They are not faked.
http://www.ratpackcycles.com/lookingeast.jpg
http://www.ratpackcycles.com/lookingwest.jpg
Shred on, MacDuff.
Submitted by HellRazer (user info) at 2009-09-22 08:40:04 EDT (#)
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You sir, are a moron.
Submitted by earth_collapse (user info) at 2009-09-22 04:38:53 EDT (#)
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THE ENTIRE SYSTEM IS NOT GOING TO BE NATIONALIZED!
You will still have private insurance companies, private doctors, etc... that you can pay for if you want to and have the money.
So, what you're really against is providing healthcare for people who CANNOT receive it because they CANNOT afford it? You're against providing healthcare for children? For the elderly? For people who are crippled, or cannot work?
Submitted by TheBrad (user info) at 2009-09-22 03:13:00 EDT (#)
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i am speaking quietly, but i want to hit you with a large stick.
Submitted by X54 (user info) at 2009-09-22 00:26:05 EDT (#)
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Hmph. Useful rightwing idiots arguing politics with useful leftwing idiots. Who ever argues for the center? Someone should. Just imagine if we middle-grounders started our own movement and recruited a charismatic leader with a cadre of fanatical lieutenants all chomping at the bit to advance our centrist ideology. We wouldn't have to take any more shit from Donkeys or Elephants. We could pick a really cool animal, like a great white shark, and call ourselves "Extreme Moderates" and capitalize on the dissatisfaction most reasonable people have with both parties right now. For years we've all been voting against one party or the other. Finally we'd be able to vote against both parties at once!
If you're interested in becoming a part of this quantum shift in American politics, send me money. Thanks.
Submitted by Cakes (user info) at 2009-09-22 00:14:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by willartstorg (user info) at 2009-09-21 19:51:55 EDT (#)
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I was pissed by Obama's comparison of mandatory health care to mandatory auto insurance. Auto insurance protects YOU from loss if I fuck up. Health insurance protects ME from loss if I get sick and can't afford the bills. My choice if I want to get sick and die.
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When people who are uninsured end up being treated in the emergency room, that cost is passed on to everyone else. If you choose not to be insured, I pay the cost. (Now THAT sounds like socialism.)
Submitted by Cakes (user info) at 2009-09-21 23:56:37 EDT (#)
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But yo mama is my friend. Living in a dry county, she sells Miller tall-boy cans by the 6-pk out of your trailer. What a sweetheart.
(I'll post something a bit more erudite anon-- after I knock out this 6er)
Submitted by Tom (user info) at 2009-09-21 23:29:59 EDT (#)
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I always thought Barack seemed pretty nice.
Submitted by willartstorg (user info) at 2009-09-21 22:53:04 EDT (#)
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Who do??
Submitted by TuTs (user info) at 2009-09-21 22:52:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by willartstorg (user info) at 2009-09-22 10:45:45 WST (#)
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Why, yessir, us fucking melicans want to kill everbody, 'specially Brits and Aussies. Stupid cunt.
STFU!
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Sarcasm, you stupid old cunt STFU!!!!
Submitted by firefly (user info) at 2009-09-21 22:49:06 EDT (#)
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You like sex with old men.
Submitted by willartstorg (user info) at 2009-09-21 22:45:45 EDT (#)
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Why, yessir, us fucking melicans want to kill everbody, 'specially Brits and Aussies. Stupid cunt.
STFU!
Submitted by TuTs (user info) at 2009-09-21 22:37:19 EDT (#)
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What do you crazy yanks have against socialism?
Are you telling me that Americans don't believe that people should have equal opportunities and that everyone should be treated equally?
Well that is the aim of socialism. Giving people healthcare and education isn't going to bankrupt your economy.
Oops sorry I forgot though, Americans enjoy killing impoverished little babies, it doesn't matter if they are in Afganistan or in your own backyard.
Submitted by sandmantate (user info) at 2009-09-21 22:36:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2009-09-21 17:40:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by cheerios (user info) at 2009-09-21 17:28:49 EDT (#)
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So why not help me out?...
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Because I've had the arguments here and I know it's pointless to try to convince anyone on Uber that spending trillions of dollars that don't exist is just not OK. No one here understands what a trillion dollars is. If you told them that you were going to spend $1000 on something they didn't want (say, a gun for national defense) and then you were going to make them give you $1000 to cover it, they'd go apoplectic. The problem is that they believe what Obama is saying, which is that he's going to spend the $1000 but (no matter who's asking), someone else will be paying back the $1000. Seriously: direct your energies where they will make a difference. Go protest at CNN Center in Atlanta on 10/17, and see if you can get on the news. I was at the March on Washington. The tide IS turning.
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That's right! You were there! Are you going to post more of your fake pictures for us to see?
Submitted by Snark (user info) at 2009-09-21 21:45:32 EDT (#)
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I probably read every second comment or so, so I'm admittedly not basing my response on the entire post. I just don't have the time right now but, fuck man.
Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck are fucking insane and it is really fucking weird seeing people taking their rants as gospel and spewing them back at each other as if they were gospel.
There is nothing here but fucking Neocon talking points and a continuation of the ignorance of what works in the rest of the world that has led you down this path to begin with.
You aren't fighting the fight with this shit, you are spreading the bull.
Are any of your own thoughts in there or are you happy enough to ride the wave of xenophobia and far right neurosis to whatever regurgitated opinions find their way to your computer screen?
Submitted by willartstorg (user info) at 2009-09-21 21:21:37 EDT (#)
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Illiterate fag, below.
Submitted by WonkoDV (user info) at 2009-09-21 21:08:37 EDT (#)
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fuck you who is supposed to read all that?
Submitted by pandora (user info) at 2009-09-21 20:39:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-21 19:14:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2009-09-21 17:40:59 EDT (#)
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I was at the March on Washington. The tide IS turning.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y&feature=player_embedded
hahahahhaha, you were among these people.
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That video is fucking hilarious! And the marchers wonder why people thought right-wing commentators were behind organizing this.
Suddenly those hippy protesters don't seem so Anti-American, hmm? Oh well, at least it got these fat bastards out in the sun. Some of them probably haven't walked that far in their lives.
Submitted by willartstorg (user info) at 2009-09-21 19:51:55 EDT (#)
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I was pissed by Obama's comparison of mandatory health care to mandatory auto insurance. Auto insurance protects YOU from loss if I fuck up. Health insurance protects ME from loss if I get sick and can't afford the bills. My choice if I want to get sick and die.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-21 19:33:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2009-09-21 19:23:35 EDT (#)
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Isn't it about a third of the cost of your totally productive and successful Middle East conflict? Is that a good way to understand it?
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dude, keep your sarcasms to yourself.
just because the talibans control 80% of afghanistan after 8 years doesn't mean it's not success.
and look at iraq, it only took innumerable deaths and mass population displacement to have a barely stable hell hole.
and we all know that war is a lot more cool than healtcare for your own citizens.
Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2009-09-21 19:23:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2009-09-21 17:40:59 EDT (#)
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No one here understands what a trillion dollars is
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Isn't it about a third of the cost of your totally productive and successful Middle East conflict? Is that a good way to understand it?
Submitted by Genko (user info) at 2009-09-21 19:22:07 EDT (#)
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"Here's a link to a CNN page, with some intelligent responses"
That's as far as I read, obviously the rest of the post is bullshit.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2009-09-21 19:20:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2009-09-21 15:20:54 EDT (#)
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For my own information, what is it about this post that makes you believe that Americans are the stupidest people on the planet? Is it the ranting theme? The subject? The opinions? Enlighten me.
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It's the crybaby, partisan temper tantrums.
It's the "<insert politician> not only hates Freedom, The American Way, and Puppies. He and <insert latest epithet for political group> also hates YOU and is personally set on using YOUR MONEY to destroy EVERYTHING YOU CARE ABOUT. Please sit here and listen whilst I rattle of PSUEDO-FACTS I cut/paste off some forum about his/her/their EVIL ANTI-AMERICAN POLICIES. OMGWTFBBQSOZ"
It happens on both sides, is outright encouraged by the mainstream media, and is the major reason that the American government can't reach a decent compromise on almost any topic. Temper tantrums have been a major thing in America since 9/11 ("OMG TERRORISTS!!!TERRORISTS!!!!WTF!!!!LET'S BARRICADE ALL OUR DOORS AND WINDOWS AND NOT GET ON PLANES AND LET OUR ECONOMY COLLAPSE WHILST WE HAVE A NATIONAL CRYFEST!!!!!!!!1111")
This is why we've lost a lot of respect worldwide.
That said, most of the Aussies and Brits I've seen on here are just as crybaby about the US as we are about practically everything else.
Also, this post was a pain in the ass to read, and the writer should kill himself.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-21 19:14:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2009-09-21 17:40:59 EDT (#)
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I was at the March on Washington. The tide IS turning.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y&feature=player_embedded
hahahahhaha, you were among these people.
Submitted by simple_catalyst (user info) at 2009-09-21 17:45:53 EDT (#)
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if the president wasn't tone-deaf he'd realize that most of america doesn't want his and the dem's big gov't solution to healthcare.
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i thought that's why he was voted into office... hmmm...
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2009-09-21 17:40:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by cheerios (user info) at 2009-09-21 17:28:49 EDT (#)
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So why not help me out?...
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Because I've had the arguments here and I know it's pointless to try to convince anyone on Uber that spending trillions of dollars that don't exist is just not OK. No one here understands what a trillion dollars is. If you told them that you were going to spend $1000 on something they didn't want (say, a gun for national defense) and then you were going to make them give you $1000 to cover it, they'd go apoplectic. The problem is that they believe what Obama is saying, which is that he's going to spend the $1000 but (no matter who's asking), someone else will be paying back the $1000. Seriously: direct your energies where they will make a difference. Go protest at CNN Center in Atlanta on 10/17, and see if you can get on the news. I was at the March on Washington. The tide IS turning.
Submitted by cheerios (user info) at 2009-09-21 17:28:49 EDT (#)
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Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2009-09-21 14:02:53 EDT (#)
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I agree with your title, but I learned a while ago that this is not the venue for conservatism or political scrutiny. You'll not convince anyone here that their rock star and his hypesquad are lying to them, no matter how blatant it is. Keep up the good fight, though.
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So why not help me out? There's way too many liberal idiots in here. I will continue the good fight though. To the rest of you: Try actually reading the post. I can't imagine how brainwashed you have to be to just have pure hatred for anything Republican. There's nothing but facts and good opinions in this post, something Obama lovers can't seem to handle. As I've asked many times, someone please point me to some good opposing liberal viewpoints anywhere on the net that haven't been ripped apart by someone responding to their comment with common sense and FACTS.
Submitted by iambetteratit (user info) at 2009-09-21 16:49:43 EDT (#)
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Johnny X Who knows, maybe we ARE stupid. But we're that kid in class who nobody calls stupid to their face.
We're smart enough to pull triggers, and push buttons.
our military advantage?
Abrams tanks about 6,000
Nimitz class aircraft carriers/ battle groups 10
F15 fighter 630
F16 fighter about 800
F18 fighter about 650
F22 fighter 146
B2 stealth bomber 21
Drones capable of carrying weapons over 300
Apache Gunships 741
LA class attack submarines 45
Seawolf class sub 3
Virginia class sub 5
Tomahawk cruise misslies 3,500
Soldiers/ Sailors/ Marines/ Airmen 2,295,000
Nuclear warhead armed ICBMs on hair trigger alert at all times over 450
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2009-09-21 16:49:06 EDT (#)
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"He is working to take away all our rights and he won't stop until he has complete control."
its funny, now that the tide has turned in the REP/DEM control balance, rhetoric once spewed by the left resembles so closely rhetoric now spewed by the right.
see we're all human, no so different afterall!
Submitted by Gayvid_Gerrold (user info) at 2009-09-21 16:19:46 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Mr.Bun (user info) at 2009-09-21 15:22:12 EDT (#)
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Mr.Bun endorses Obama! I believe in government provided healthcare and tea for all!
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2009-09-21 15:20:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2009-09-21 15:08:43 EDT (#)
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The sad thing about this post...
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For my own information, what is it about this post that makes you believe that Americans are the stupidest people on the planet? Is it the ranting theme? The subject? The opinions? Enlighten me.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2009-09-21 15:16:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2009-09-21 15:08:43 EDT (#)
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The sad thing about this post, is that when people say Americans are the stupidest people on the planet, all they have to is look at this post - I am forced to agree with them.
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Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2009-09-21 15:08:43 EDT (#)
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The sad thing about this post, is that when people say Americans are the stupidest people on the planet, all they have to is look at this post - I am forced to agree with them.
Submitted by X54 (user info) at 2009-09-21 14:57:11 EDT (#)
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"Wake up Obama supporters! He doesn't give a SHIT about you or your family. As long as you keep eating up all of his lies, he will continue to ruin this country."
OMFG--he's a politician!
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2009-09-21 14:02:53 EDT (#)
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I agree with your title, but I learned a while ago that this is not the venue for conservatism or political scrutiny. You'll not convince anyone here that their rock star and his hypesquad are lying to them, no matter how blatant it is. Keep up the good fight, though.
Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2009-09-21 13:56:08 EDT (#)
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GOOD THINGS ARE GOING TO START HAPPENING TO ME NOW!
Submitted by 8bithero (user info) at 2009-09-21 13:51:00 EDT (#)
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With all the neo-cons here, I am SHOCKED this isn't a perfect +2 rating.
SHOCKED!
Submitted by GroundHorse (user info) at 2009-09-21 13:48:24 EDT (#)
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stfu noob
Submitted by Foolproof (user info) at 2009-09-21 13:44:02 EDT (#)
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"This man doesn't get it. we need less goverment involvement"
Does this count with gay marriage? Because I always hear conservatives saying the government needs to stay out of our personal lives, but then they want the government to ban things like abortion and gay marriage.
I might be getting mixed signals here but what i think is happening is that conservatives just operate on hive mind mentality about whatever Fox News tells them.
Submitted by Foolproof (user info) at 2009-09-21 13:39:05 EDT (#)
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I do like how you blame EVERYTHING wrong in the government today on the current President.
He's obviously the one that broke the Post Office...not the internet.
Submitted by Foolproof (user info) at 2009-09-21 13:37:54 EDT (#)
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Conservatives deserve to be put in front of death panels.
Submitted by scourge (user info) at 2009-09-21 13:37:11 EDT (#)
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stfu.
gtfo.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2009-09-21 13:35:50 EDT (#)
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If he isn't my friend why was he shotgunning beers in my basement last weekend?
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2009-09-21 13:30:48 EDT (#)
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stfu
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-21 13:26:04 EDT (#)
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unless you know the US president personally, he's most likely nobody's friend here.
stfu
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2009-09-21 13:22:04 EDT (#)
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Conservatards FTL.