communisim blows (1659 hits)
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Submitted by <onedopedog.at.aol.com> (View user info) at 2003-11-18 21:00:09 EST
the other day i was at school when i heard some girl talking to some other guy about how great communisim was. i felt it neccessary to insert my oppinion on the conversation so i helpfully added in, "no, communisim isnt great, it blows and is the stupidest form of government conceivable". The girl tried to respond with some filth about it being the perfect form of government and that i was under the governments control (unlike if i was a communisit in which case i definately would not be under the control of the government) so i pointed out that every country stupid enough to practice communisim got shafted and wound up a 3rd world, poverty stricken, crime ridden hellhole (read: ussr) or reverted to a dictatorship. commie girl then said "well they just didnt do it right in theory it would be the best system ever. I left then because i had to go to class sometime but when you think about it saying something is the best in theory serves no purpose. in theory instant teleportation is the best way of travel, that may be true but it is stupid and worthless to say. also how would a perfect communisim be good in theory? perfect communisim would suck, and anyone who is a big enough dumbass to think communisim sounds good in theory sucks too. what are the advantages to communisim? i decided to list them
-never have to worry about finding a job, the government tells you where to work! yay
-have fun never being required to do your job because you will still be given the same paupers wages regardless of your accomplishments
-you will never be lonely on the communes
-all hard decsions such as marriage, child birth, education, employment, religion etc will be made by the government
-no more taxes, the government already owns all of your money
-no worries about death by starvation, if your smart enough no to realise that no one in your worthless country produces any food you will be purged long before you starve to death
im sure communisim has many other advantages...no wait it doesnt. it sucks, it is the dumbest form of government both in theory and practice
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Submitted by QuantumSawdust (user info) at 2003-11-26 04:04:47 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
People who think Communism is great are total idiots. I hate the argument "in an ideal society, Communism would work great!" Well no duh! In a perfect world, ANY government would work great! A dictatorship, anarchy, whatever. In a perfect world they all work. The thing is this world is not perfect, nor can we hope it to ever be. Better to learn on how to live WITH our imperfections than stay in denial and try to hide them.
Also, as to how Communism would cut down on greed, this is somewhat true, but at the same time it would make any greed that did exist much more damaging to the society as a whole, because the society depends on them to do their job, and those that don't continue to leach off the society while giving nothing to it. In a Capitalist society, for the most part nobody is depended on, if someone doesn't do their job they are fired. Strikes and unions do put some power in the people, balancing out the power of the corporations.
I agree that Capitalism breeds greed, but unlike other government systems, Capitalism best turns the bad trait of greed in to the good trait of production. No other society does that, at least not near as well. It turns a disadvantage into an advantage. The only problem with Capitalism is that it also breeds corruption, which is a disadvantage. But if the government is structured correctly, like a Democracy or some other such government that emphasizes rights and free press, etc.. Then the populace can keep a close eye on the corruption and keep it to a minimum. Hence, how the Democratic-Capitalist government of the US has done so well in the world.
Before anyone gets the wrong idea, I'm not saying that out government is perfect at all, just that it's a hell of a lot better than Communism, or pretty much any other government I can think of.
Submitted by Zoidberg (user info) at 2003-11-20 04:18:01 EST (#)
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yes other people made it clear with brilliant deductions like "nice family guy comment zoidberg" or "i stopped reading bout halfway through," that really clears things up
I'm Zoidberg. Jeet was referring to something I said, not calling you Zoidberg. I guess you didnt read more than halfway through huh?
Submitted by tshia (user info) at 2003-11-19 19:48:02 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
first to jericho
yes my pros list for communism is biased, in that it reflects my oppinion that communism is stupid and is a terrible idea in theory or practice. im not confusing communism with totalitarianisim (dictatorship). in a dictatorship there are class differences and personal enterprise as well as a larger degree of freedom, in communism there are no classes and no freedom.
i have seen star trek "They all work for no pay, have no concept of money and a distaste for greed but instead work for the benefit of humanity" also in star trek they have no concept of inertia, space ships speed up and stop instantly all the time. star trek IS NOT REAL, the poorly acted imaginations of gene rodenbury are not an appropriate theatre for determining the value of communism. also in star trek arent there captins and admirals and such? correct me if i am wrong but the rest of the crew has to obey the captain orders right? that does not sound like communism it sounds like a millitary dictatorship.
Communism does fail because it is stupid and i can critize the ussr for the nkvd, which is different from the kgb by the way, because the nkvd is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of their own citizens. this is how they are not similar to the cia.
then to optium
"thought other people here made it perfectly clear as to why Communism is a great idea" yes other people made it clear with brilliant deductions like "nice family guy comment zoidberg" or "i stopped reading bout halfway through," that really clears things up. communism doesnt destroy the main reasons for greed, in order to do that you would have to lobotomise every one in the society, greed is inherent to human nature, it is not a problem it is a trait. communisim would not reduce greed, it would reduce personal possesion, to about zero. people would still want things though communism is flawed, it is a terrible idea and anyone who thinks otherwise is stupid.
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2003-11-19 16:22:43 EST (#)
Ranking: 1
I do not agree that Communism is the answer, in theory nor in practice.
Some people are smarter, or work harder than others, and that is not rewarded.
Everyone is treated the same. It brings everyone down to the same low level.
Submitted by Optium (user info) at 2003-11-19 15:59:57 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
In reply to the two people who addressed me:
I thought other people here made it perfectly clear as to why Communism is a great idea, but if you're not satisfied with that, I'll add something else that I've come up with.
The first thing we must understand is that greed is directly or indirectly responsible for every single crime or injustice in the world. If you can come up with one single incident in which greed is not a factor in a crime, then I have to pay respect to you, because I've sat for hours trying to come up with one single incident in which this is not true. Of course, this only works for premeditated crimes--I hope I don't have to mention that fact, but judging by this post and some of the replies, I feel it's probably necessary.
Now, with that stated, here is why communism is a great idea:
It destroys the main cause behind all greed.
This fact alone is proof enough for me as to why communism is a great idea, but obviously this will never be enough proof for some people.
I understand that communism does not work in any form of government at the moment, but that has nothing to do with my argument. Communism does not work at the moment because people are still greedy, so a leader is needed to make sure everything runs smoothly. Unfortunately, this leader will also be greedy and tyranny will follow. This does not mean, though, that communism is a bad thing, much less a bad idea.
.opt
Submitted by Zoidberg (user info) at 2003-11-19 14:58:44 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
ahhhhhhhhhhhhh I can only take so much. Everyone else has even typed the word correctly. You would think you would learn from that
Its communism. One "i" Not commmunisim
Submitted by thratapillar (user info) at 2003-11-19 13:03:50 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
i agree, communisim sucks
Submitted by Jericho (user info) at 2003-11-19 10:55:13 EST (#)
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Tshia, I think that your position on the pros and cons of communism is highly biased. I also agree that you are confusing communism with totalitarianism.
Im gonna hazard a guess and assume youre american. Most americans seem to associate communism as the antithesis of everything they stand for ie - freedom, wealth etc.
Ever watch star trek? They all work for no pay, have no concept of money and a distaste for greed but instead work for the benefit of humanity.
This my friend is communism in theory.
Communism doesnt just fail because its 'a stupid idea'. The USSR collapsed through a combination of factors. The repression of the people (which should never happen in a true communist state), a poorly implemented industrialisation programme, an arms race with an infinitely wealthier country and economic and military pressure both within and out side russia.
Oh and by the way, you criticise the USSR for using the NKVD/KGB. Why? They were simply the equivalent of the CIA and FBI (albeit alot nastier).
Submitted by Random Joe at 2003-11-19 00:27:23 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
WTF? Giving yourself +2's is illegal in the unspoken rules of Über, unless it is a perfect +2. This is hardly a +2, in fact, its in the negatives.
Submitted by tshia (user info) at 2003-11-19 00:14:54 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
"If the whole world was communist, and everyone wanted to be that way" i dont want to be that way, it will never happen. what your saying is, if everyone was the same then things would be great it would suck. i understand the principals of communisim i have read the manifesto and it sucks, its a supid idea and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. about the car example, how many people in the world do you think would choose to drive the car that they do right now? everyone would want the best/coolest/most expensive car and not enough of them would be produced to meet the world wide demand, same goes for everything else. also it would suck to wind up with the crappiest jobs in the world and you wouldnt be able to do anything about it, i will be a doctor, my friend here will be a garbage man, and you can be one of those guys who does emissions testing at the dmv and has to breathe exhaust fumes all day. it would blow to have someone tell you where to work and what to do "The problem with communism is humans. We're greedy. We want it all, and we're willing to kill and maim and destroy just to get a bit more than what we had". I would like to employ ockham's razor here, the simplest explanation tends to be the most true, which is simpler, all of humanity and nearly every emotion experinced by humans is wrong because it contradicts some lame ass system of collective government or communisim is wrong. greed makes humans good, greed seperates from the animals, if you have a homeless person who lives in a gutter see someone living in a box does he lie down and take it like an animal? NO, he will sell newspapers to get the money to buy himself a box, or a knife to take the other hobo's box away, or maybe he will just lie down in the gutter and be happy. whichever way it his choice, freedom rules communisim sucks
Submitted by bargled (user info) at 2003-11-18 23:36:27 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
"communisim is the perfect solution to the world's problems" i didnt bother quoting you exactly but the essence of your post is there. i have to ask why you think so? what is good about communisim? what makes sacrificing personal possesions and freedom the perfect form of government? correct me if i am wrong but communisim entails surrending personal benefit for the advancement of the group, do you want to give up everything you earn? a communisit government would be like the united states if taxes were raised to 100% and everyone was on welfare, that sucks. by the way if humans were not so "fucked up" we wouldnt be humans, its easy to say things like "this would be a good idea, if all of human nature was different and it was in fact a good thing"
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If the whole world was communist, and everyone wanted to be that way, millions of people would be able to find employment and survive because they are doing their part for the human race. Women would get their equal rights they've been bitching about since the beginning of time. Everyone would be equal, everyone would do their part, we would all have the same things so nobody would be jealous. War would virtually be non-existant, everyone and everything is equal. Starvation wouldn't happen, violence and death would be lessened, and everybody would be happy.
I'm not saying that we should all become drones. We should all have some choices. Like cars, for example. Everyone would be entitled to a car. What car you choose is up to you, and your choice. If you like someone elses car better, too bad, you made the choice to pick that particular vehicle. Live with the decision you have made.
The problem with communism is humans. We're greedy. We want it all, and we're willing to kill and maim and destroy just to get a bit more than what we had.
Submitted by Zoidberg (user info) at 2003-11-18 23:33:36 EST (#)
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Submitted by jeetkunetony (user info) at 2003-11-18 23:18:55 (#)
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nice family guy comment zoidberg.
?? That was on family guy? I was going for a sub-par Yakov Smirnoff
Submitted by ohlookasquirrel (user info) at 2003-11-18 23:23:46 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
i stopped reading bout halfway through, after the part where you made it clear youre head is up your ass.
do us all a favor, at least read some marx or engels before you post shit like that. then you can be an INFORMED dumbass.
Submitted by SoxSexSax (user info) at 2003-11-18 23:20:09 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
You. Are. A. Fucking. Retard. Go. Away. And. Die. In. A. Hole. Preferrably. In. Pain. Thank. You. That. Is. All.
Submitted by tshia (user info) at 2003-11-18 23:19:03 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
i dont know how to respond to individual responces so i will just reply to my own
first to bargled
"communisim is the perfect solution to the world's problems" i didnt bother quoting you exactly but the essence of your post is there. i have to ask why you think so? what is good about communisim? what makes sacrificing personal possesions and freedom the perfect form of government? correct me if i am wrong but communisim entails surrending personal benefit for the advancement of the group, do you want to give up everything you earn? a communisit government would be like the united states if taxes were raised to 100% and everyone was on welfare, that sucks. by the way if humans were not so "fucked up" we wouldnt be humans, its easy to say things like "this would be a good idea, if all of human nature was different and it was in fact a good thing"
next to optium
thanks for posting reasonable arguments why communisim is good, you cant just state this random oppinion "Communism is not only good in theory, it's great in theory" and fail to back it up with any arguments. why is it good? there are no answers because communisim blows, its not good it is terrible. in practice or in real life, every country that has expiramented with it has wound up ruined, is this because it is good idea or a bad idea?
communisim is terrible in theory and isnt working anywhere in practice, you said religious communities live in a communisim structure right? well they DONT, correct me if im wrong but religious communties live in a theocracy. they have one leader with complete power, an abbot or something. religious societies do not practice communisim. communisim is working no where because it is a terrible terrible idea thought up by an incompetant mal content (i mean you karl)
to random joe
"umm communism IS good in theory. capitilism is not good in theory. however, as we see in our day to day lives, one works better in PRACTICE while the other does not. stop being such an ignorant minded bush worshipper. i hate you "
read the earlier part of my post it applies to you. stop being such a conformist, now a days everyone wants to be a radical the only problem is they do it by spouting crappy cliches that they think will attract attention like "communisim IS good in theory" no its not dipshit it SUCKS who wants to give up personal freedom and property to become a mindless drone. then you say something about being an ignorant minded bush worshiper, this is what is known as hypocrisy, i will explain. you support communisim. you call me an ignorant bush worishper, the implication is that you are not an ignorant follower of the government, but you support communisim HYPOCRITE. communisits are required to support their system blindly, thats why the ussr has organizations like the nkvd. by the way what did i say in my post that made you think i like bush?
to loki
i dont have communisim and totalinarisim confused, communisim sucks.
Submitted by jeetkunetony (user info) at 2003-11-18 23:18:55 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
nice family guy comment zoidberg.
Submitted by DJMattB241 (user info) at 2003-11-18 23:16:06 EST (#)
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i think you have your intelligence confused with your height in millimeters
Submitted by GrizzlyHunter62 (user info) at 2003-11-18 23:07:33 EST (#)
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Well, though the author of this rant is a bit stupid and doesn't deserve my comments, I'll commment on some of the replies.
Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2003-11-18 22:09:35 (#)
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Oh god, I used to be like this kid.
+1 for trying to have a solid opinion about something.
-1 for not knowing enough about what you're talking about.
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Exactly
Optium,
I used to think that, like our misguided friend onedopedog, that communism was a good THEORY. But no. Think about it. Do you REALLY think that a doctor, who went to school for 15 years, should get paid the SAME as a guy who cleans toilets? No. Can you argue with that? Please tell me you have a legitimate argument for that. The Holy Orders can pull that community-mindedness off because they are ALL the same—they're all priests. None of them have positions as extreme as doctors and janitors.
bargled,
Though he may be intolerant, saying communism sucks doesn't mean he doesn't want to try new things. Communism isn't new. It's been done. And it's failed, for so many reasons other than people are so fucked up.
Submitted by bargled (user info) at 2003-11-18 22:14:41 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Communism is the perfect solution to the worlds problems, if only humans weren't so fucked up.
-2 because of your intolrant views and inability to try new things.
Submitted by Optium (user info) at 2003-11-18 22:09:42 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Communism is not only good in theory, it's great in theory. But I have to disagree with both sides in this argument. Communism WORKS and IS WORKING as we speak. If anyone cares to disagree with this, I suggest you take a look at any holy order that has taken a vow of poverty. You see, the people in these orders can HANDLE communism and that is the key. Unfortunately communism would not work in a nation because that highschool teacher was right: People are pigs. There will always be people who take advantage of a situation, and that's really the saddest thing I can think of in this world today.
.opt
Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2003-11-18 22:09:35 EST (#)
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Oh god, I used to be like this kid.
+1 for trying to have a solid opinion about something.
-1 for not knowing enough about what you're talking about.
Submitted by Maleficus (user info) at 2003-11-18 21:41:22 EST (#)
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You know when communism would be cool? It'd be cool if you liked to live a boring, plain, sucky life. Same thing every day, on and on. Ant/WorkerBee type life. Wow! Sounds like fun. When can I sign up to forfeit everything I own to the government?
Submitted by Random Joe at 2003-11-18 21:39:24 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
umm communism IS good in theory. capitilism is not good in theory. however, as we see in our day to day lives, one works better in PRACTICE while the other does not. stop being such an ignorant minded bush worshipper. i hate you
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2003-11-18 21:23:01 EST (#)
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I think you have communism and totalitarianism confused.
Submitted by awesome_lauren (user info) at 2003-11-18 21:16:22 EST (#)
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'i felt it neccessary to insert my oppinion on the conversation so i helpfully added in, "no, communisim isnt great, it blows and is the stupidest form of government conceivable".'
hahahahah
Submitted by UltraJesus4000 (user info) at 2003-11-18 21:15:05 EST (#)
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In high school I had this one stupid-ass teacher who kept preaching the goodness of freedom, but also promoted communism. When I pointed out her hypocricy, she dismissed it by saying, "Communism is good in theory, but just doesn't work in practice because people are pigs."
Damn communists.
Submitted by Zeccs (user info) at 2003-11-18 21:12:16 EST (#)
Ranking: -1
You have a skewed sense of what communism is. Think of it as community-ism. It's about sharing labors and benefits equally.
Submitted by Zoidberg (user info) at 2003-11-18 21:11:38 EST (#)
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In America, stupid people get on ubersite
In Soviet Russia, ubersite gets on you!!!
Submitted by Lady_Emily_03 (user info) at 2003-11-18 21:05:38 EST (#)
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+1 cause I agree with you, even though i wouldn't have put it this way.