God Bless America.....WTF?! (2893 hits)
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Submitted by ReallyBored (View user info) at 2003-12-21 15:04:44 EST
(This entire post in under the assumption you believe in God)
So I'm sitting at the grocery store last night getting some high quality alcoholic beverages (red stripe and stella) when a person in front of me makes the comment, "Merry Christmas, and God Bless America."
Now the Merry Christmas thing didn't bother me at all (even thought when my waitress this morning at IHOP said it to my Jewish friend it was kinda funny) but the God Bless America shit got me a little worked up. I mean lets analysis this little phrase that has been throw around a lot since 9/11.
The key to this phrase lies in the word, Bless. So lets pull up its definition for starters.
Pronunciation: 'bles
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English blEtsian, from blOd blood; from the use of blood in consecration
Date: before 12th century
1 : to hallow or consecrate by religious rite or word
2 : to hallow with the sign of the cross
3 : to invoke divine care for <bless your heart>
4 a : PRAISE, GLORIFY <bless his holy name> b : to speak well of : APPROVE
5 : to confer prosperity or happiness upon
6 archaic : PROTECT, PRESERVE
Now I'm thinking the meaning people are trying to go for in this situation is probably number 3. So by saying God Bless America, we are really saying hey God watch out for America. Protect us, shield us from evil, and keep us safe blah blah blah. Now my question is, at what point did American become so arrogant that we feel God should protect us?
There are billions of people in the world, hundreds of countries, why would God bless us? Are we better in a religious sense than any other country? I think not. A country that has chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons can't be on the top ten list of places the Lord thinks are swell. If we are to use the 10 commandments as a measuring stick, the US has broken every single one.
So why the fuck does the average American think they are better than some Chinese dude working the ricefields? Or the Mexican taxi-driver in Cancun? Why should God bless me, but not Apollo? What's the fucking difference? Guess what there isn't.
I'm not a fucking priest/rabbi/minister/shaman/witchdoctor but I got a pretty good idea that God doesn't give two shits about country affiliations. I'm pretty sure your judgment in life in based on your fucking actions. When your sitting there in front of the pearly gates (I hate it when they use that term, pearly always makes me think of porn) God isn't going to say,"Well he's an American. He gets a get out hell free card." No it aint happening. What's gonna happen is God is going to say, you cheated on your wife, you lied on your taxes, you worshipped you Porsche more than me, sorry buddy you take the express elevator down.
The worst of this has to do with soldiers. All the time I hear, God bless our troops. Guess what assholes, ever fucking major religion teaches peace and nonviolence. Unless God has updated the bible to version 2.0, you're fucked. The minute you kill one person, you're fucked. Game over, end of story. The 6th commandment is pretty fucking clear on that. Thou shall not murder. Not really too much lost in the translation on that one. There's no asterisk next to it with a statement "Unless in the event your commander orders you to, then it's a-ok." No, you fucked up and YOUR gonna pay the price.
So in conclusion, don't use the phrase God Bless [insert country, job, etc]. It makes you look like a complete moron who should move back into the trailer.
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Submitted by podium (user info) at 2005-03-22 22:15:35 EST (#)
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Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2003-12-29 23:05:23 EST (#)
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Well, you see, I had this drawn out response all planned in my head... but then I remembered that you weren't worth all that trouble, so I decided to state the obvious.
Submitted by tuesdaydelay (user info) at 2003-12-29 09:14:49 EST (#)
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Stella! WHOO!
Submitted by Shay (user info) at 2003-12-29 08:58:38 EST (#)
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Hey 'Queen' Ashlee, calling me a cunt just makes me laugh at you stupid bitches, keep it coming, I love to laugh and be happy, thanks :-)
Submitted by Manfre (user info) at 2003-12-29 08:21:45 EST (#)
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Submitted by Aims5005 (user info) at 2003-12-26 23:54:10 (#)
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you talk about a "Chinese dude working the ricefields" and i think that you are an ignorant bastard. You sound like that one chick on MTV's "Rick Girls." moron.
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MTV has a show called Rick Girls? Good god why havent I watched this sooner? Why havent I even heard of it?
Submitted by Dickweed (user info) at 2003-12-28 15:11:58 EST (#)
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It makes sense.
Submitted by fatassmoe (user info) at 2003-12-28 02:05:31 EST (#)
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Shitty post.
The picture of you made me laugh tho. You look like a fuckin' faggot!
Eat shit, and die.
Submitted by fatassmoe <123456789> at 2003-12-28 02:04:22 EST (#)
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Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2003-12-27 02:36:58 EST (#)
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Submitted by defender0417 at 2003-12-26 12:43:02 (#)
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If I have to go to hell so that your snoty little ass has the ability to post a stupid message like this then so be it. And what idiot sold you beer, you look like your seventeen.
Oh, and your argument is so stable and convincing. Oh, wait. Also, I can assure you that RB is of legal age to purchase and consume alcoholic beverages.
Submitted by JoeAverage (user info) at 2003-12-27 02:06:38 EST (#)
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I was going to read this and then I decided not too, so I didn't rate it, but this comment made me laugh out loud:
Aims5005: you talk about a "Chinese dude working the ricefields" and i think that you are an ignorant bastard. You sound like that one chick on MTV's "Rich Girls." moron.
I said that to one of my friends the other day when they didn't know what they were talking about. Good times.
Submitted by Aims5005 (user info) at 2003-12-26 23:54:10 EST (#)
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you talk about a "Chinese dude working the ricefields" and i think that you are an ignorant bastard. You sound like that one chick on MTV's "Rick Girls." moron.
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2003-12-26 23:35:25 EST (#)
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bored, you are really reaching here. Asking anyone for protection is the ultimate act of self abasement for anyone except a little child. It is the acknowledgement of the fact that YOU, an adult, cannot protect yourself and as such is no example of arrogance but a plea for help. It really doesn't get much simpler than this.
This has nothing to do with the implied ( BY YOU) lack of protection for others, since a person who begs for help is primarily concerned with their own welfare - especially since nowhere in the phrases that you found so objectionable do we find " Please God, protect US only, do not protect anyone else"; a statement which is radiculous on its face AND incompatible with the religious dogma of either Xtianity or Judaism.
You plainly have issues, none the least being the assumption that invoking God's protection must mean ill will to anyone not covered by said blessing. You are of course wrong, but there really is little chance for you to realize this, seeing that you interpret a plea for help as arrogance.
As regards the rest of your response, I can only tell you that each time you open your rhetorical gob on this subject, another example of your alienation drops out, as well as simpleminded attempts at manipulating the argument; viz:
""it was and continues to be built & inhabited by people who are, in their greatest numbers, mostly religious."
This is only half true. While the largest group of people in the US are Christians, the second largest group is Nonreligious/Secular with rougly 27 million people or 13.2% of the population..."
Let's stop here.
A claim is either true or it is not. Since you acknowledge the fact that the greatest number of people in the US are in fact religious, the rest of the data you quote is superfluous AND my assertion is in its entirety validated by you. Yes, the US of A was and continues to be built & inhabited by people who are, in their greatest numbers, mostly religious, this is not "half-true", there being no such thing, but truth cerified for the purpose of this exchange by the data you quoted.
What follows next is an interesting albeit predictable insight into the emotion behind what you would try to sell as your argument, viz:
"'It is perfectly natural that a community, a society of largely religious people determine the syntax & usage of the language to reflect the way they think.'
...while alienating over 13.2% of the remaining population..."
So, you percieve the use of religious idiom as alienating? Doesn't that go a long way towards confirming my original diagnosis regarding your alienation from the society at large? After all, as you saw fit to confirm, americans in their greatest numbers ARE religious. If you find the habits of speech of the majority of americans alienating, what does this say about you?
Whatever this says TO you ABOUT you, to me it indicates that:
1) you are not representative of the majority we've touched on
2) you are threatened by the use of religious idiom
3) you're also NOT in touch with a large proportion of the (your numbers) 13.2% of the remaining population who daily use religious idioms in their speech ( i.e. "that UU is such a godamned moron")
This is followed by a rhetorical perl, known as the straw man argument in which you attempt to answer claims not made, while attempting to link my admonition with the radiculous assertion that the US is somehow a non-secular or religious state,an assertion I have NOT made, viz:
"Now you counter all this by saying...
"While your country was founded by sarcastic, wise evil old bastards, it was and continues to be built & inhabited by people who are, in their greatest numbers, mostly religious"
Well I have much more faith in our "sarcastic, wise evil old batards" founders then the religious folk I see on the street day in and day out. Until an amendment is made to alter our state to a Christian one, the US IS A SECULAR STATE. Just look at the recent removal of the 10 commandments from a courthouse in Alabama to show what our country is moving towards...."
Ill have you note that I didn't counter any of your assertions with the statement of mine you quoted. I couldn't have done this, since Your assertions only appeared AFTER I've made that statement, ( a statement whose truth you confirmed) . What this does make, apart from an post-hoc error on your part, is a dishonest argument, always assuming that the manipulation was purposefull.
I am NOT assuming this, of course, since you are continously reminding me of the fact that You sir, are a moron. This, BTW, is not an example of my "...constant need to attack [your] intelligence..." because, dear bored, in order for me to attack something, it would have to exist in a measurable quantity.
Submitted by Acarnis (user info) at 2003-12-26 18:21:03 EST (#)
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I see where you're coming from, but just know that...
This phrase is mostly likely an older phrase from when America was more moral with a cleaner slate. People do believe the US is (or was) better in a religious sense then other nations. (Also realize, to be Christian, or Jewish, is to not recognize other deities as true gods) Their reasoning was America's deistic creation, Puritan settlement, large Christian population, democratic government (at a time when European governments consisted of easily-corrupted one-man monarchies), seemingly racial harmonization (at least among caucasians), and prosperity. In scriptures, Psalm 33:12 begins with "Blessed be the Nation whose God is the Lord." Americans simply believed they were more Christian than other countries, and some of the previous reasons are rewards for it.
As for the murdering in the 6th Commandment... I think it's agreed that murdering is "killing innocents." Justified killing is just justified killing, and it is necessary. The government's death penalty or justifiable homicides are examples of this. The question is what is justified killing and whether the war in Iraq is.
Just my 2 cents... but yeah, God won't care about country affiliations. These blessings are for the protection of our brothers and sisters, who are protecting us.
Submitted by antluvdog (user info) at 2003-12-26 13:05:45 EST (#)
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I'm too stupid to understand what the hell is going on here.
Submitted by defender0417 at 2003-12-26 12:43:02 EST (#)
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If I have to go to hell so that your snoty little ass has the ability to post a stupid message like this then so be it. And what idiot sold you beer, you look like your seventeen.
Submitted by Smoothe (user info) at 2003-12-26 10:50:34 EST (#)
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Red Stripe sucks, its Jamaican Budweiser
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2003-12-26 10:05:29 EST (#)
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Yidele - First off, its amazing to me that a moron such as myself could have such an impact on you. Apparently my daft attempt at a post really got under your skin. I find that very interesting.
Anyway lets look at what you said....
"it was and continues to be built & inhabited by people who are, in their greatest numbers, mostly religious."
This is only half true. While the largest group of people in the US are Christians, the second largest group is Nonreligious/Secular with rougly 27 million people or 13.2% of the population. This number has increase 110% between 1990-2000. This also does not include the additional 991,000 people who claim to be Agnostic, or the 902,000 people who claim to be Atheist. This information was taken from the American Religious Identificantion survey done in 2001 by professors from The City University of New York. With this information in mind lets look at your next statement.
"It is perfectly natural that a community, a society of largely religious people determine the syntax & usage of the language to reflect the way they think."
...while alienating over 13.2% of the remaining population. If I remember correctly the most valued documents in US are the declaration of independence and the consitution with its amendments. While they do contain certain religious phrases in them, they are far from religious documents. Our country is not lead under the guise of the bible, koran, torah, or any other religious literature. We are a secular country. Separation of church and state would a concept first realizied (in the US) by Thomas Jefferson, one of the greatest American minds of all time.
Now you counter all this by saying...
"While your country was founded by sarcastic, wise evil old bastards, it was and continues to be built & inhabited by people who are, in their greatest numbers, mostly religious"
Well I have much more faith in our "sarcastic, wise evil old batards" founders then the religious folk I see on the street day in and day out. Until an amendment is made to alter our state to a Christian one, the US IS A SECULAR STATE. Just look at the recent removal of the 10 commandments from a courthouse in Alabama to show what our country is moving towards.
"Nothing says "MORON" with more gusto than an obvious lack of understanding, and resulting alienation from, the society that spawned you..." "
The society that spawned me was founded on the concept of freedom of speech and freedom of religion, two things I draw heavily upon for my entire post.
"I am just guessing here, but I'm willing to bet you have no such qualms regarding home & hearth blessings; is it only when blessings are invoked at the level of the nation-state that you're bothered?"
Exactly. I have no problems with people asking Gods favor at the lower level.
"verse at you, which in all likelyhood you would not understand anyway, but I will point out that an exhortation to God for protection IS NOT a sign of arrogance."
You constant need to attack my intelligence is just a sign of a weak argument. Cmon buddy, you can do better than that. Anyway, yes asking for Gods protection is arrogant. By asking for God's protecting your asking for God to not protect others. This is because if God protected all then we would be on an level playing field again, which is what you do not want. You want an edge, you want protecting that a normal person does not have. You can only ask for something that you dont have. So, by asking for an edge, for something you have that other people dont, you deem yourself more worthy than the rest. That is arrogance.
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2003-12-26 07:08:22 EST (#)
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It seems that i have to go back to my original comment in order to make the context clearer to you ( not surprising, what with you being an alienated moron & all):
"...Nothing says "MORON" with more gusto than an obvious lack of
understanding of, and resulting alienation from, the society that spawned you...."
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While the founding fathers were heavily influenced by Deism, the people who migrated to these shores in their millions were more often than not religious. The idea of freedom of conscience is in its genesis primarily a religious idea. While your country was founded by sarcastic, wise evil old bastards, it was and continues to be built & inhabited by people who are, in their greatest numbers, mostly religious. It is perfectly natural that a community, a society of largely religious people determine the syntax & usage of the language to reflect the way they think.
The fact that you, no matter what you believe in or do not believe in, do not understand this is a sure sign of alienation and impending synaptic collapse - hence "...Nothing says "MORON" with more gusto than an obvious lack of understanding, and resulting alienation from, the society that spawned you..."
Of course I am making the assumption that you do not understand this, because of your little rant which insists on labeling people as trailer home dwelling chud's based solely on the qualified use of blessing as applied to their country. I am just guessing here, but I'm willing to bet you have no such qualms regarding home & hearth blessings; is it only when blessings are invoked at the level of the nation-state that you're bothered? I think not.
My reading of your little rant is that aside from your obvious alienation & daftitude, your primary issue is with your perception of americans:
"...So by saying God Bless America, we are really saying hey God watch out for America. Protect us, shield us from evil, and keep us safe blah blah blah. Now my question is, at what point did American become so arrogant that we feel God should protect us?"
Not being an Xtian, I'm not going to quote reams of NT. verse at you, which in all likelyhood you would not understand anyway, but I will point out that an exhortation to God for protection IS NOT a sign of arrogance. A sterling example of arrogance for people who are believers would be saying "We don't need God's protection since we are so powerfull". Asking for God's help is a sign of humility. That's right. Humility before God, the tacit acknowledgement of the fact that while man proposes, God disposes.
This is not to say that many Americans aren't arogant; what it does mean is that an appeal to God for protection for one's country IS NOT an example of arrogance. The arrogant do not plead for help.
Submitted by Yogimus (user info) at 2003-12-26 02:45:45 EST (#)
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God PROTECT, PRESERVE America... nah that couldn't be it. That would make too much sense. Sucks when the argument doesn't have solid footing.
(gonna have fun with ya on this one)
Submitted by Yogimus (user info) at 2003-12-26 02:39:43 EST (#)
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So in conclusion, don't use the phrase God Bless [insert country, job, etc].
Um... or you will do what? turn me in to the PC police?
here is what you sound like: Whine whine whine, Bitch bitch bicth, don't wish me well, because I am a worthless piece of human waste, wah wah cry.
Submitted by Deisangua (user info) at 2003-12-26 02:20:43 EST (#)
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God Less America.
Submitted by Flogging-Molly (user info) at 2003-12-25 15:21:15 EST (#)
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Thats good, thats REAL good.
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2003-12-25 14:48:32 EST (#)
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Reallybored just blew me off. Excuse me whilst I go cry...
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2003-12-25 14:24:43 EST (#)
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Yidele - First off i want to say Happy Holidays. I hope that whatever religious or non-religious festivies you dabble in this month are wonderful.
"CAN you state concisely why the constitutional protections guaranteeing one freedom of speech, assembly and conscience DO NOT apply to believers?"
At what point did I say it should be illegal for a person to say the phrase in question? At what point did i say it was wrong? All i said was i believe it looks very stupid for a person to speak that phrase.
"Which ammendment to the constitution guarantees you the right to censor/restrict the speech of others so that you may not be offended by it? "
Once again, im not censoring or restricting anyones speech. People can say whatever the fuck they want too. Just like i can say your a fucking idiot for saying that.
"Why is it that the use of a common turn of phrase, originally of religious significance, is enough to have you classify the user as a trailer dwelling stereotype?"
Comparing apples and oranges my friend. Im not against this phrase because it is inherantly religious. Im against it because oh how its applied. Theres a difference between a person saying, "Jesus loves me." and "Jesus loves America."
The reason i use the trailer dwelling stereotype is because the majority of people i have encountered who have stated such phrase are from this class of people.
"Do expletives such as Goddamn, damn, darn, drat, Jesus-hypheated-christ, hell, or other such of religious derivation (there really are alot of them) elicit a simmilar response from you?"
None at all.
The rest of your reply goes off on a tangent that really has nothing to do with what i said. You sir have looked at what i wrote (you probably just skimmed most of it) got a vague idea that i was against religious usage in daily conversation, or some sort of similar concept and wrote your replies. You are wrong. I suggest you reread what i wrote, more carefully next time (maybe take breaks between paragraphs), and try again.
If you need inspiration i would read "The Little Engine that Could". Its a great story that should help motivate you to keep trying.
Thanks!
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2003-12-25 13:58:10 EST (#)
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part of this problem, bored, lies in the fact that You don't seem to be equipped to deal with a rational analysis/deconstruction of your little rant.
CAN you state concisely why the constitutional protections guaranteeing one freedom of speech, assembly and conscience DO NOT apply to believers? Which ammendment to the constitution guarantees you the right to censor/restrict the speech of others so that you may not be offended by it?
Why is it that the use of a common turn of phrase, originally of religious significance, is enough to have you classify the user as a trailer dwelling stereotype? Do expletives such as Goddamn, damn, darn, drat, Jesus-hypheated-christ, hell, or other such of religious derivation (there really are alot of them) elicit a simmilar response from you?
I'm willing to bet that this isn't so. I am almost certain that as long as the context makes the profane useage relatively clear, you won't even notice the religious relevance of the term. This is your right, Much as being a hypocrite is.
Expletives, cursewords ARE ABOUT CONTEXT; viz " fuck you in the asshole? " vs. "Fuck you, you asshole!" - most people who have even a passing familiarity with the english language have no difficulty in understanding the context implicit. Since cursewords are by their nature the profanation of something holy or the elevation of the profane AND since those contexts are defined in terms metaphysical/religious in most cultures and all languages I am aware of, taking your suggestion seriously would mean pauperizing the english language & depriving it of some of the most creative outlets; Sure, I could still describe you as a cum feltching, turd burgling, inbread sheep molester, but where's the fun in that ?
Fuck you and the poxy, hell spawned bitch that bore you. It is with a fervent, almost religious, anticipation that I await the moment when the light of pure dialectial reason shines down upon that empty cum buble you consider your mind and evicts the demons of stupidity which afflict you so!
yours in Hirudo,
Yidele
Submitted by STIXS (user info) at 2003-12-25 11:58:38 EST (#)
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I concur. I'm also atheist, but that has nothing to do with the +2, i swear...
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2003-12-24 22:32:07 EST (#)
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woah. you knocked murphy out of the top 20.
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2003-12-24 22:24:50 EST (#)
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Oh, and big congrats on Most Veiwed, Matt. You get a special Christmas lapdance for that.
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2003-12-24 22:24:10 EST (#)
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Hey, Shay, you're a cunt!
Submitted by griffsrgr8 (user info) at 2003-12-24 22:00:21 EST (#)
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This would get a +2 for the photo alone even if this did suck, which I must add, did not.
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2003-12-24 20:00:19 EST (#)
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stop it. You're making baby jesus cry.
Submitted by Shay (user info) at 2003-12-24 12:01:33 EST (#)
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:-( you're going to make me cry....
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2003-12-24 12:00:56 EST (#)
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You're NOT a teenager? Could have fooled me - that's even worse because that means this is not something you're going to outgrow.
Submitted by Shay (user info) at 2003-12-24 11:57:33 EST (#)
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"Shay, you are nothing more than a parasite. Is this how you spend your life? You're afraid to do anything yourself because you're afraid you might fail so you spend you time just taking snipes at people who do. It's sad really it is.
I think you would be more happy here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teen_salvation/"
I'm not a teenager you stupid bitch. I'm afraid to do something myself? What are you talking about? You are so sad. You're mad because you're taking my comments to heart and they're bothering you and it's making me laugh. Yeah 'Loki', I spend my life on websites afraid to do anything myself and take snipes at people who do....you have nothing witty to say to me so you say DUMB SHIT!! I hope your boyfriend buys a new toothbrush, shits on it, wraps it up in a nice red bow and gives it to you for christmas, you dumb broad!
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2003-12-24 11:50:03 EST (#)
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Shay, you are nothing more than a parasite. Is this how you spend your life? You're afraid to do anything yourself because you're afraid you might fail so you spend you time just taking snipes at people who do. It's sad really it is.
I think you would be more happy here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teen_salvation/
RB - I didn't notice that you made the most viewed list - yea for RB. Maybe you can pick up a stalker now - good times. I think I've taken Hidden's mojo for attracting idiots.
Submitted by Shay (user info) at 2003-12-24 11:32:40 EST (#)
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I think it's hysterical that you feel the need to explain it to me. That is too funny. See RB, I have made an impact. Okay, you're making me feel bad, I'll leave you alone now m'kay?
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2003-12-24 11:03:18 EST (#)
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Shay you are a total dumb fuck - no really, I'm not kidding. I posted that picture on purpose to make people laugh. It was a JOKE get it, JOKE. No he does not normally dress like that - noone does, maybe you do and that's why you didn't get that it was a JOKE. Jesus Christ on a stick, who boots up your computer for you? I can't think you're smart enough to do that yourself.
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2003-12-24 11:03:15 EST (#)
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Shay your too funny.
+2 from me and my little friend Loki!
Submitted by Shay (user info) at 2003-12-24 10:54:54 EST (#)
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"Shay you are just one of the many hundreds of people who have visited this site and tried to make an impact. You want to be respected, you want your posts to be +2ed, you want to be a regular. However, you ability to write a decent post is fucking horrible. Hell, even Kristy Swan had a couple of supporters, you have nobody. So instead of trying harder and getting that respect you end up being mad at everything and turn into this weak pathetic soul that you are.
Its fucking sad".
Listen, I am not trying to make an 'impact', I could CARE LESS. I read this site for the humor and sometimes actually learn some stuff. I don't give a SHIT who reads anything I post, and I DEFINITELY don't care what they rate it. I don't care. And I surely don't want to be part of your little 'non-cool' clique. I want to be a regular? A regular on what? A fucking website? Yeah, I have friends in the real world. And APPARENTLY I have made an impact, just not the one you or your little friend Loki wanted. I'm just responding to her post, I wasn't even being mean at first, she started taling shit first, I'll end it that's all. Merry Christmas!
Submitted by myhandinablender (user info) at 2003-12-24 10:52:31 EST (#)
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Good points my man. I especially liked your side comment about how the term "pearly" always reminds you of porn. I think, for me at least, I'll never get Randal Graves on the phone with the distributor asking for the title "Big Black Dicks and Pearly White Cum" out of my head. But back to your article, good point. My best friend is going to Iraq on Jan 2nd for 18 months. If he gets hurt I swear I'm gonna kick Bush and every other war-mongering asshole square in the nuts. If there is a God I'm sure I'm in the bottom 4th percentile of people getting into Heaven. So with it being Christmas and all I'll quote Tiny Tim who said (aptly enough concomitant with your article) "God Bless Us, EVERYONE."
PS. Upon rereading what I just wrote, I feel I come across as blabbering jackass who can't tie multiple thoughts together into one comprehensible statement. For that, I apologize.
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2003-12-24 10:49:12 EST (#)
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Shay you are just one of the many hundreds of people who have visited this site and tried to make an impact. You want to be respected, you want your posts to be +2ed, you want to be a regular. However, you ability to write a decent post is fucking horrible. Hell, even Kristy Swan had a couple of supporters, you have nobody. So instead of trying harder and getting that respect you end up being mad at everything and turn into this weak pathetic soul that you are.
Its fucking sad.
Submitted by Shay (user info) at 2003-12-24 10:44:55 EST (#)
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Oh shut up already. Do you know I was going to leave you alone, being Christmas Eve and all, but I've changed my mind. Loki is mad that she posted a picture of her geeky looking boyfriend with his ugly knit fem sweater vest on and I, along with numerous others LAUGHED at her and now she's crying. Don't be sad, it's christmas. Maybe Santa will bring you a nice pretty sweater vest too!!
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2003-12-24 10:43:39 EST (#)
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This is completely out of control. Don't you hate it when that happens. You post a rant, it's kind of funny and then the moronic vultures that have been circling here lately zoom in for an attack. Amazing how many of them have never posted anything themselves. I feel for you - good times.
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I posted that picture at the end with alittle hopes of people not going psycho. The first decent amout of replies were actually very construtive arguments on both sides. Then the post went heated and the morons came out of the woodwork.....
Bah! Now we me on most authored (toot toot!) its gonna be worse.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2003-12-24 10:38:17 EST (#)
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Yup, I'm sure of it now.
Random (Rating: -1.66 on 13 reviews, last by jeetkunetony 4 days ago)
Submitted by Shay Brown <ShayBrown03.at.hotmail.com> (View user info) at 2003-12-19 14:29:28
Sadam for President! (Rating: -0.7 on 12 reviews, last by MoneyG 5 days ago)
Submitted by Shay Brown <ShayBrown03.at.hotmail.com> (View user info) at 2003-12-18 15:50:43
I hate non-Americans that live here and complain (Rating: -1.39 on 31 reviews, last by tuesdaydelay 15 days ago)
Submitted by Shay Brown <ShayBrown03.at.hotmail.com> (View user info) at 2003-12-05 12:38:08
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2003-12-24 10:37:19 EST (#)
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This is completely out of control. Don't you hate it when that happens. You post a rant, it's kind of funny and then the moronic vultures that have been circling here lately zoom in for an attack. Amazing how many of them have never posted anything themselves. I feel for you - good times.
I'm starting to think that Shay is legally retarded. Let's see, being against the war in Iraq means that we all want the US soldiers to die horrible deaths and would allow the US to be invaded? Just checking.
Submitted by Shay (user info) at 2003-12-24 10:26:45 EST (#)
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Before I make my next comment, let me say this, I hate it when I see all the soldiers, young kids over in Iraq dying every day, it makes me sick/sad. I also think we should get out of Iraq, we're done. Could be wrong, just my opinion. That being said, our armed forces are necessary. I would like to see how all these anti-war people would react and how their opinions would change if someone invaded our country and started bombing us. Would you want the protection of our soldiers then? Would it be okay for them to kill the enemy then? Would it be okay for them to die for you then?
Submitted by Shay (user info) at 2003-12-24 10:21:26 EST (#)
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Cellar Door, I agree with you completely. I could add onto this, but I will not stop. I agree with everything you said and am extremely appreciative of you and the rest of the people in our armed forces. God bless you and AMERICA.
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2003-12-24 09:22:07 EST (#)
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I'm not certain of this, but I would guess that America has the largest Christian population in the world. And since we're praying to the Christian God in this circumstance, it would seem to fit.
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We're praying to a Christian God? Well shit, thats news to me.
Submitted by gbusman (user info) at 2003-12-24 03:14:01 EST (#)
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I'm not certain of this, but I would guess that America has the largest Christian population in the world. And since we're praying to the Christian God in this circumstance, it would seem to fit.
Someone probably already said this, but I'm not scrolling down and reading 107 replies to find out.
-Bus
Submitted by Freight_Train (user info) at 2003-12-24 02:11:30 EST (#)
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i agree with you 100%
Submitted by esso_merda (user info) at 2003-12-24 00:15:34 EST (#)
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God Bless my ass.
Submitted by Kali (user info) at 2003-12-23 23:34:35 EST (#)
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I agree 100%
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2003-12-23 21:00:32 EST (#)
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Cellar_Door -
"I guess I read his response as something you wouldn't want to hear."
Something i didnt want to hear? What in the hell are you fucking babbling about? Louis was talking about New Testament vs Old Testament. He was saying that what God said to the Israelites did not apply to everyone else. This can mean one of two things. A) The 10 commandments dont apply to everybody else (something i have already shown to the contrary. or B) That when God told Israelites it was cool to murder, it doesnt apply to other people.
i think he was stating B, which means he was AGREEING with me. If im wrong and hes stating A, well look about 10 replies or so down and you will see the passages i use that say that the 10 commandments apply to everyone.
"I do not consider myself a murderer, even being a believer in God."
Thats fine. Like i said before its a moral delimma for every soldier. You have made your choice.
"We are fighting and dying so people like you can still spout reactionary shit like this."
Reactionary shit? Im making an observation on a phrase that hear every fucking day. Is there something wrong with that?
"Your cute little speech, however, sounds like it is against these freedoms for which I fight."
This is the part of your reply when i truely realize you are a fucking idiot. Im not against any freedoms. People can say whatever the fuck they want to say. Did i say i was going to attack any person who said this phrase? No i didnt. Say whatever the fuck you want. Just remember, I have a right to think your a moron for saying it. (Like i did after i read your reply).
Au revoir!
Submitted by Bellebrown (user info) at 2003-12-23 20:55:43 EST (#)
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Eh, you can ask god to do whatever you like...
This doesnt always automatically mean it will happen.
Trust me, Ive been asking to win the lottery for the last two years.
Submitted by cellar_door (user info) at 2003-12-23 18:42:02 EST (#)
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Hmmmm...I wasn't commenting on your little diatribe about religions. I was commenting on the whole "Can they make a comment" thing. But thanks for responding!
As for Louis, he seemed to be explaining some things that you were asking about earlier in the responses. He wasn't arguing, you are correct. I guess I read his response as something you wouldn't want to hear.
I myself am in the military. I do not consider myself a murderer, even being a believer in God. We are fighting and dying so people like you can still spout reactionary shit like this. I may not agree with it, but I am happy that you, I, we all have the freedom to say what we want. Your cute little speech, however, sounds like it is against these freedoms for which I fight. Let's make a deal. You ignore the statement, request, whatever you want to call it, "God Bless America," and I'll ignore the moronic, ignorant statements, requests, whatever you want to call them, made by yourself. Ciao.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2003-12-23 15:32:58 EST (#)
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McCarthy?
Did I win? did I did I?
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2003-12-23 15:28:50 EST (#)
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You know nothing about this country if you don't understand why the Dollar Bill reads "in god we trust."
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OH? Explain it to me. Our orginal money had E Pluribus Unum on it for over 100 years until a reverend wrote a letter to the treasurey department. Heres an excerpt from http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.html
"You are probably a Christian. What if our Republic were not shattered beyond reconstruction? Would not the antiquaries of succeeding centuries rightly reason from our past that we were a heathen nation? "
If your wondering where the E Pluribus Unun came from it was Jefferson who thought it up as our national motto. I tell you something, i believe more in the work of Thomas Jefferson then Rev Watkinson.
Watkinson also wanted to change the preample to the consitution, to make it a Christian state...
"We, the people of the United States, humbly acknowledging Almighty God as the source of all authority and power in civil government, the Lord Jesus Christ as the Ruler among the nations, His revealed will as the supreme law of the land, in order to constitute a Christian government..."
Dont even get me started on why it was put on paper money during the cold war....
Submitted by lucid (user info) at 2003-12-23 14:57:39 EST (#)
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You know nothing about this country if you don't understand why the Dollar Bill reads "in god we trust."
That saying has the same origin.
Submitted by Shay (user info) at 2003-12-23 14:46:05 EST (#)
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All I'm saying is God Bless America is a saying that we all have said at one time or another. We are asking god to bless America. Not just in war time, all the time. After two planes crashing into the World Trade Centers, I think it's okay to ask god to bless America. I don't see why you're so against that. I don't see why you think that's so wrong of us to ask god to bless us.
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2003-12-23 14:40:57 EST (#)
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Shay - So many people have argued what i have said and done it such a better way that you that i feel as if you like that little train that couldnt.
Tia - So when we lose alot of people to terrorist then its ok to say it? I dont see the correlation.
Submitted by Tia (user info) at 2003-12-23 13:19:29 EST (#)
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I think after what happened on 9/11 asking god to bless america is pretty valid.
Submitted by Shay (user info) at 2003-12-23 13:08:52 EST (#)
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What's your point?
Submitted by Natophelia (user info) at 2003-12-23 13:08:12 EST (#)
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I really don't give a shit if someone says that or not. I don't read this much into it. But something I do find weird is when someone says in response, "Nono...America bless God!" How does one do that? Isn't he supposed to be all blessed and perfect and shit already?
Tough noogies if that was already mentioned :P
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2003-12-23 13:07:34 EST (#)
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Random (Rating: -1.66 on 13 reviews, last by jeetkunetony 3 days ago)
Submitted by Shay Brown <ShayBrown03.at.hotmail.com> (View user info) at 2003-12-19 14:29:28
Sadam for President! (Rating: -0.7 on 12 reviews, last by MoneyG 4 days ago)
Submitted by Shay Brown <ShayBrown03.at.hotmail.com> (View user info) at 2003-12-18 15:50:43
I hate non-Americans that live here and complain (Rating: -1.39 on 31 reviews, last by tuesdaydelay 14 days ago)
Submitted by Shay Brown <ShayBrown03.at.hotmail.com> (View user info) at 2003-12-05 12:38:08
Submitted by Shay (user info) at 2003-12-23 12:54:24 EST (#)
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Oh god you are an arrogant fuck. I am willing to be everything that you were a LOSER in highschool. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2003-12-23 11:50:57 EST (#)
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Loren - Its nystyle81.at.aol.com
God Bless Hooters!
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-12-23 11:11:37 EST (#)
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Loki, I think it's just that the teens are on their Christmas breaks.
RB - "BTW when are you gonna take a pic of yourself with that Hooters shirt i bought you..."
I will, what's your email address? I don't want to post it.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2003-12-23 10:39:45 EST (#)
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I think it's the holidays. Chaka Khan started Friday so we can Jew bash with wild abandon. Plus the college kids are all running loose and Razor and Firefly are off getting married on top of being Jewish. I'm hoping that things return to normal after the first of the year. I've seen a lot of gloom and doom posts over the past few months. Usually it dies down but I have to say that things seem much worse lately.
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2003-12-23 10:29:08 EST (#)
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I'm here RB. No worries.
But after today, I won't be back for 5 whole days. Will you be OK?
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Probably drown my sorrow in beer and liquor, and married women.
BTW when are you gonna take a pic of yourself with that Hooters shirt i bought you. Im sure it would look snazzy!
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-12-23 10:26:34 EST (#)
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I'm here RB. No worries.
But after today, I won't be back for 5 whole days. Will you be OK?
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2003-12-23 10:12:30 EST (#)
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Loki - What the hell is going on? Wheres all the regulars? Is everybody already gone for Christmas?
"Blessed be the Hippies, for they are one with the Lord." John 4:20
Submitted by syrinax (user info) at 2003-12-23 09:52:42 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2003-12-23 09:41:54 EST (#)
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What the hell happened with this post. I'm really starting to think that Über is heading into the abyss.
ReallyBored - I just wanted to come by and tell you to have a blessed day.
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2003-12-23 09:25:39 EST (#)
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Cellar_Door -
"Just because they "CAN" comment on these issues, do they really UNDERSTAND these issues?"
Yes you can. Not to mention that fact that A) I was talking about all religions, not just specifically christian. B) I was for a long time a christian.
Idiot.
As for what Louis said: Is he even arguing against me?
Submitted by Close Your Mouth <faggalla.at.fairy.net> at 2003-12-23 00:20:15 EST (#)
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You're picture looks really fucking gay. Guys should not have their mouths open during pictures it's not manly. Stop being a fag.
Submitted by cellar_door (user info) at 2003-12-22 23:53:21 EST (#)
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Nice job skipping out on arguing with Louis there. He seem to explain it well enough?
Oh, yeah, and...
"Can a white man comment on black issues?
Can a Jew comment on Chrisitan issues?
Can a New Yorker comment on Florida issues?
Can a agnostic comment on religious issues?
Exactly."
Now, assuming you were answering "yes" to all these questions:
Just because they "CAN" comment on these issues, do they really UNDERSTAND these issues?
Exactly.
Submitted by ExplodingGopher (user info) at 2003-12-22 22:48:45 EST (#)
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I agree...when did the United States earn the favor of God over all the other countries?
Submitted by TheRef (user info) at 2003-12-22 22:24:50 EST (#)
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god bless red stripe
Submitted by MrCoffee (user info) at 2003-12-22 16:53:32 EST (#)
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scaryaaron, good question! i've had similar questions like it in the past,
And basically your right, if there is a god, myself and other athiestic people are fucked BIGTIME, but thinking purely along the lines of logic and science, i'm willing to take the chance, and if there is an afterlife, that'll just be a bonus
if we are sorted into "good and evil" when we die, i would hope that it is not based on my going to church and praying, but rather my conduct as a decent human during my time on the planet.
has anyone else noticed how every major religeon has a clause somthing atune to "be good and you'll go to a better place" ?
Submitted by IndianOcean (user info) at 2003-12-22 15:30:50 EST (#)
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too many post by you and willzone..
Submitted by ColonBowell (user info) at 2003-12-22 14:40:31 EST (#)
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Actually, that's right.
Spriritualist atheist. Read my latest post.
Submitted by LacyFace16 (user info) at 2003-12-22 12:35:08 EST (#)
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haha oh i forgot...you're not agnostic...you have it in good with someone up there.
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2003-12-22 12:27:41 EST (#)
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RB-for someone who doesn't believe in God...or prefers to be agnostic, how can you make any argument on this topic, except to just make a pointless wanna-be convtroversial post with little thought put into it.
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Can a white man comment on black issues?
Can a Jew comment on Chrisitan issues?
Can a New Yorker comment on Florida issues?
Can a agnostic comment on religious issues?
Exactly. Also, i dont consider myself an agnostic anymore. FYI.
Every post that has even the word religion or politics is considered controversial. Besides a few morons, i think there was a really good discussion here on both sides. Thats more than i can say for most posts.
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-12-22 12:16:59 EST (#)
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That's the smartest thing I've ever heard you say Lacyface.
Submitted by LacyFace16 (user info) at 2003-12-22 12:06:27 EST (#)
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can you really give a +2 for a REVIEW instead of the POST ?? i'm confused!
RB-for someone who doesn't believe in God...or prefers to be agnostic, how can you make any argument on this topic, except to just make a pointless wanna-be convtroversial post with little thought put into it.
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2003-12-22 11:25:35 EST (#)
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To Yidele and Queen - Thanks for the valuable feedback. Nothing says intelligence like ripping into people directly without even mentioning anything that had to do with the post.
Two pillars of society.
Submitted by LacyFace16 (user info) at 2003-12-22 11:05:33 EST (#)
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are you a fucking alcoholic or what!
Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2003-12-22 09:11:04 EST (#)
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God bless America.
Submitted by scaryaaron (user info) at 2003-12-22 09:02:15 EST (#)
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MrCoffee--Let me pose a question to you. Let's just say for the sake of argument that I am a Christian. You made the comment that the joke is on Christians when they die and there is a whole lot of nothing. Now, being the reasonable person that I'm sure you are. Let's say that there is no God. We both die and nothing happens. Ok. Now let's say that there is a God. We both die and I go to heaven and you go to hell. Either way, the Christian does as well or better than you.
Submitted by scaryaaron (user info) at 2003-12-22 08:46:22 EST (#)
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RB- sorry it took so long to reply. I was away from my computer. The ten commandments are not the cornerstone of the Christian faith. That is if you consider "cornerstone" to mean "basis". The basis of the Christian faith is the fact that God divinely created Jesus, then sacrificed him on the cross to pay for all of mankind's sin. If you confess your sin and repent for it then God will forgive it. The bible says something like "...none of these is greater than the other..." about the ten commandments. Meaning that if you lie, you may as well murder someone in Gods eyes. All sin is forgivable. The ten commandments are rules that should be a guide to living your life. As for the books of the bible being written by man and divinely inspired, you are absolutely correct. The ten commandements were written in the bible by man. The "tablets" that God gave to Moses were destroyed. As for picking and choses what to listen to and what not to you are also correct.
Jimbobjoe- thanks for the tip. I will read the book.
I recend my -1 and give a +2 for a good debate.
Submitted by mox9 (user info) at 2003-12-22 08:44:05 EST (#)
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'mox9 - Two totally different things. I think people say God Bless you out of habit. God bless america is more of actual meaning.'
-Welll I've been told 'God Bless you.' For helping people and not just sneezing...and I'm sure they meant it. Regardless, I feel that if someone does say God bless America, they don't mean everyone should go to hell.
Submitted by Queen (user info) at 2003-12-22 06:19:28 EST (#)
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+2 for this
"fuck you and the retarded dog you rode in on. People like YOU are an integral part
of the disease which is choking the freedom out of your once great state.
YOU are what is wrong. By all that's sacred to the free thinking, independent minded
forefathers of this once great nation, kill yourself now."
Omg Yidele, This is classic. Two thumbs up!
Damn, when the guy wants his opinion known, it gets known- no denying that one RB.
Queen
Submitted by superwallet (user info) at 2003-12-22 06:00:33 EST (#)
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god's up there with a trucker hat and a mullet laughing at us.
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2003-12-22 05:24:52 EST (#)
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Let me start off by expressing my appreciation for the courage & self denial
so obviously written into every line of your little rant. It takes alot of courage to
expose yourself for the daft, illiterate oaf you so obviously are - especially when it is done
on a forum such as this one. Nothing says "MORON" with more gusto than an obvious lack of
understanding of, and resulting alienation from, the society that spawned you.
Don't misunderstand (misunderestimate*) me or my intention; It is not my
intention to show you up for the synaptically challenged individual you so obviously are
- your little rant does that far better than I could - What I mean to communicate to you
is far simpler ( it has to be, after all, you are a moron):
fuck you and the retarded dog you rode in on. People like YOU are an integral part
of the disease which is choking the freedom out of your once great state.
YOU are what is wrong. By all that's sacred to the free thinking, independent minded
forefathers of this once great nation, kill yourself now.
Thank you & God bless....
Submitted by QueenBea (user info) at 2003-12-22 05:24:01 EST (#)
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"Now my question is, at what point did American become so arrogant that we feel God should protect us?"
My exact comment I stated to the monitor when I read this was, "Oh give me a fucking break!"
I skimmed through the rest, read maybe 5 replies, and said fuck it. Amazing to me the ignorance that has plagued this website.
Queen
Submitted by Lord_Of_The_Strings (user info) at 2003-12-22 05:04:57 EST (#)
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How sad am I, I just read all the replies here. +2 for good debate.
Submitted by Shadow_weaveR <none> at 2003-12-22 05:00:27 EST (#)
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I think your looking too much into this guy, so GOD BLESS AMERICA too you and Happy Chunaka or however you say it
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2003-12-22 04:13:36 EST (#)
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I agree.
+2 for the wifebeater !!
Submitted by MrCoffee (user info) at 2003-12-21 23:39:34 EST (#)
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ahhh good to see it pisses someone else off too.
you Seppo's even have "god bless America" on giant bilboards by the highway.
the joke's on christians when they die and theres a whole lotta NOTHING.
Submitted by Mac (user info) at 2003-12-21 23:11:34 EST (#)
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+2 for the Ecko shirt alone.
Submitted by natedawg (user info) at 2003-12-21 23:02:20 EST (#)
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Kristen, I want a naked bear hug too!!!
Submitted by Louis at 2003-12-21 22:45:03 EST (#)
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Misapplying the Old Testament
This is a general problem among those who profess to be Bible Believing Christians: Taking Old Testament scriptures that were written to Israel at a specific time for a specific purpose, and then trying to apply them directly to followers of Jesus in the New Testament Church.
The Old Testament was applied to Israel directly.
The Old Testament is the foundation for the New Testament.
The New Testament applies to the New Testament Church directly.
The Old Testament applies to the Church as it is drawn through the understanding of the New Testament; as it is interpreted and applied to the Church by the New Testament.
The Old Testament does not apply directly to the New Testament Church
http://procinwarn.com/oldtest.htm
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2003-12-21 22:38:27 EST (#)
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CC - Thats works we me. Apollo mentioned that stella is called wife beater, and now i understand.
After a 6 pack im really in the mood to go beat up some wives. Thank god im not married.
Submitted by Choppa (user info) at 2003-12-21 22:07:10 EST (#)
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No-one ever says God Bless Australia.
Which is why God put all the mean animals down here.
Submitted by CobraCommander (user info) at 2003-12-21 21:34:40 EST (#)
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RB,
Tell you what man, I got no issues with you. I just happen to be in the military, and when you made that comment about soldiers basically going to hell, it was derogatory and I took offense, especially since my job has to do with riding around in a tank blowing shit up.
I don't see what I do as evil. Do not misake this as thinking killing in any circumstances is good or even right. It's about necessity. I see it as a terrible reality of being a human being that we have soldiers and war.
That being said, you're a funny dude. Lets agree to disagree.
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2003-12-21 21:25:54 EST (#)
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It's a fixer-upper. What's the problem? We get a bunch of priests in
here ...
-- Homer Simpson
Treehouse of Horror
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coinsidence?
Submitted by CobraCommander (user info) at 2003-12-21 21:10:07 EST (#)
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Here's a question.
The Commandment says "Thou shalt not murder."
What do you define murder as? What separates murder from killing?
That's the big question in terms of interpreting the bible.
Goddamn i'm tired, must've been drinkin too much Stella.
(PS, in England they refer to Stella Artois as "Wife Beater" because its cheap and has a lot of alcohol in it by comparison. Just some mindless trivia.)
Submitted by CobraCommander (user info) at 2003-12-21 21:03:58 EST (#)
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You know what, i'm pretty sure the interpretation of killing in a wartime situation is dependent on the definition of "murder". if a soldier kills another soldier on the field of battle, is it truly murder?
Then again, it could be that the christian religion is more full of holes than swiss cheese. I'd like to think that all religions are peaceful by nature. I'm also of the opinion that if i'm in a foxhole somewhere, dirty and hungry and tired, missing my family and my baby, if i've got somebody shooting at me trying to kill me then I'm not deserving to go to hell because I drew a bead on him to save my ass and the ass of the guy next to me.
Submitted by CobraCommander (user info) at 2003-12-21 20:56:14 EST (#)
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Jimbo,
Exactly. You also gotta consider that the way we know about the commandments is because they're written in the bible, which is a work of man, therefore the commandments themselves had to be interepreted by somebody.
But then, that's only if you believe in all of that shit. Which I don't.
The whole point is this shit is how you interpret it. You can say god bless our soldiers and be offended by it, or you can take it to mean god PROTECT our soldiers and get on with your life.
I'm not a fuckin theologian, i'm not even a damn christian. If the arguments that the christian religion makes are circular then thats because they are. All I'm saying is that you shouldn't use something as a weapon to say that our soldiers are going to hell when it doesn't say that. This is america. The only thing that separates our soldiers from the rest of the people in our country is their short haircut and the uniform they wear. That and whole helluva lot of the guys dip. What i'm arguing against is the derogatory statement about our boys in uniform.
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2003-12-21 20:53:57 EST (#)
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God permitted the taking of life. Even these exceptions have limits. It is possible for soldiers to commit murder.
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Just show me where it says that. Thats all i ask.
Im pretty sure its not gonna happen. I think Christianity at its hear teaches compassion and nonviolence.
Heres some passages that i think apply...
"Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good" Romans(12:21)
"Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law." Romans(13:10)
Submitted by jimbobjoe (user info) at 2003-12-21 20:44:33 EST (#)
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Cobra - Well, I did read your 'post' and it seemed to me that you were speaking in circles.
Saying that institutions can break certain comandments is a relativistic view. Are you saying
the bible supports relativism as an ethical standpoint? It doesn't seem that way to me.
If you want to get all uppity about reading 'posts' I suggest you read all my replies before
going off on what you think I'm saying. Do those passages you are referring to come from the
New of Old testament? I don't know off hand, nor will I look it up to find out. I'll guess
that they come from the old testament as they seem to be promoting war, or at least defending
it's existence as a viable tactic to getting your way. Ignore war, it happens... sounds like a
benevolent god to me.
Oh, wait, the only things in the bible that are supposedly the WORD OF GOD are the commandments
meaning that anyhting else is subject to the interpretation by man. The word of god as interpreted
by man. Man being an imperfect being, the interpretation is also imperfect.
Of course all that is only if you believe in God and christianity.
Submitted by CobraCommander (user info) at 2003-12-21 20:40:41 EST (#)
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PS, you're completely right about one thing. Religion isn't a damn pick n choose thing. If you do something, do that shit all the way.
Submitted by CobraCommander (user info) at 2003-12-21 20:39:36 EST (#)
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RB,
That entire reply was off of a christian webpage. You can see the source listed at the bottom. Obviously, since a lot of very religious people serve in the military, this is something that's been addressed to them before.
The article addresses killing when it states the 6th amendment. Way back when, there was a distinction between killing and murder.
"What God prohibits in the sixth commandment is the unlawful taking of life by an individual. In limited civil cases and for soldiers, God permitted the taking of life. Even these exceptions have limits. It is possible for soldiers to commit murder. The Bible, as well as international law, for instance, condemn the killing of prisoners."
Basically what this is saying is that killing on your own, or in an unjust matter, isn't killing, it's murder.
I thought that was pretty obvious from that source. It wasn't saying god was picking one side over another or anything. I wasn't even addressing whether or not war was right or wrong, or even if THIS particular war was right or wrong.
Submitted by Sunny (user info) at 2003-12-21 20:37:28 EST (#)
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RB --- thank you for your understanding. :-)
You have a good point. People try to get out of the military all the time for religious beliefs. I'm not sure how successful they are, but as far as I know, the role of the chaplaincy is to protect the rights of soldiers to their religious beliefs...so I imagine if your complaint is a valid one, and not "oh shit this army thing is for real i change my mind", they will accomodate you. Active Military Uberers feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I imagine people with truly pacifist beliefs...and those who hold to the Thou Shalt Not do Murder thing...don't consider the military a viable career option.
I agree with you though that religion is not a Chinese take-out menu. People should have the moral fortitude to adhere to the details of their religion, should they choose to participate in one.
Submitted by Pseudovillain (user info) at 2003-12-21 20:33:09 EST (#)
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What about "God bless Canada"?
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2003-12-21 20:32:12 EST (#)
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Cobra - Your ability to dance around a subject is uncanny. Have you every thought about a job politics?
"From early times the prophets who preceded you and me have prophesied war, disaster and plague against many countries and great kingdoms (Jeremiah 28:8). "
""You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom" (Matthew 24:6-7). "
"He will judge between many peoples and will settle disputes for strong nations far and wide. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore (Micah 4:3). "
OK these passages TALK about war. Where does it say that killing is ok? They say war will happen. They DONT say that people who act in this war are right or wrong. It makes no mention of the people or what they are suppose to do.
These passages did nothing to help your cause. Either come up with something else or bow out.
Submitted by jimbobjoe (user info) at 2003-12-21 20:31:08 EST (#)
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READ BERTRAND RUSSEL.
If you don't like heathen's who are smarter than you could ever hope to be, try Aquinas.
If you want to argue about war, you may want to read up on Just War Theory.
Submitted by CobraCommander (user info) at 2003-12-21 20:29:52 EST (#)
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Jimbo,
Read my post. I never said I agreed with the bible, i never said it was right. I didn't even bring the damn thing up in the first place. If you want to use it for your point, better make sure it actually supports what you are trying to say.
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2003-12-21 20:27:37 EST (#)
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Sunny - It happens to the best of us.
Ok, let me say one more thing. Im saying all this shit in the sense of what a pure christian (how we got to christian when i was talking about all religions is beyond me, probably my fault) would do.
Obviously a person does what they have to. I agree with that and i understand. All im saying is that if your gonna commit to a religion, follow what it says. Dont pick and choose. If you want to pick and choose thats great, but dont call yourself a christian or whatever the religion is. Just say your spiritual or something.
Either do, or dont do. There is no try. - Yoda
Submitted by CobraCommander (user info) at 2003-12-21 20:27:11 EST (#)
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FOR YOUR READING PLEASURE
What about the sixth commandment, "Thou shalt not kill"? Clearly, this is not a universal command against all killing. God also prescribed death by stoning for several offenses against society. Bible scholars concur the best translation of the words "not kill" is "not murder." The New International Version records the verse this way:
You shall not murder (Exodus 20:13).
What God prohibits in the sixth commandment is the unlawful taking of life by an individual. In limited civil cases and for soldiers, God permitted the taking of life. Even these exceptions have limits. It is possible for soldiers to commit murder. The Bible, as well as international law, for instance, condemn the killing of prisoners.
What does the Bible say specifically about war? It is clear from the entire Bible that warfare is an enduring feature of life on earth. It has existed, it will continue for a time, and then there will be an end to warfare.
War exists
From early times the prophets who preceded you and me have prophesied war, disaster and plague against many countries and great kingdoms (Jeremiah 28:8).
War will continue
"You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom" (Matthew 24:6-7).
War will cease
He will judge between many peoples and will settle disputes for strong nations far and wide. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore (Micah 4:3).
http://www.christiansonline.com.au/articles/articleDetails.asp?articleID=356&searchType=
You asked for sources, here they are.
Submitted by jimbobjoe (user info) at 2003-12-21 20:25:40 EST (#)
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I love this part from Cobra
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If you read what I said, I was talking about the INSTITUTIONS of the church and civil government. This does not apply to individuals. In terms of soldiers, they are carrying out the express written orders of the government.
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Especially the part where he says this does not apply to individuals.
Next time, when you're trying to argue about something, you may want to think about what you are saying as it may contradict itself.
If something does not apply to individuals, then it does not apply to individual soldiers, and how
may I ask would an institution go to hell? What if the orders of the gov't are not written? Does it
still count?
Submitted by Sunny (user info) at 2003-12-21 20:25:01 EST (#)
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*groan*
Ignore my last reply. I went temporarily insane and was not responsible for my own stupidity.
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2003-12-21 20:22:36 EST (#)
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"If you read what I said, I was talking about the INSTITUTIONS of the church and civil government. This does not apply to individuals. In terms of soldiers, they are carrying out the express written orders of the government. "
So the Ten commandments have no bearing on the average christian? Well fuck, i didnt know this. It has been awhile since i went to Sunday school. Anyway i did alittle google action and this is what i pulled off a christian website dealing with the 10 commandments.
"Although God gave the 10 Commandments to the Israelites, they do not apply to Jews alone. The 10 Commandments reflect God's standard of holiness for everyone. Since God is the universal authority of moral conduct, all of humanity is subject to His standards. According to the Bible, no one is exempt from God's Law. Some say that the 10 Commandments do not apply to them, since they did not grow up with "religion." However, the scriptures reveal that the requirements of the Law are written on our hearts (Romans 2:25), and thus, our conscience ultimately confirms our guilt. Wait a minute. Since most of us, to some degree, have tried to live good lives, contributing positive things to our families and communities, how can God fault us if we have tried our best? Based on God's standard of holiness, "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). In addition, God is not only concerned with our actions, but also the condition of our hearts. In the New Testament, Jesus referred to the Law when He emphasized that hatred is tantamount to murder and lust is tantamount to adultery. We have all had these thoughts. Indeed, we have all sinned according to God's standard."
....sounds like they apply to everybody.
"Let's look at that last sentence. No, You fucked up and YOUR gonna pay the price. Call me stupid, but that seems as though you are saying "If you are a soldier and you've had to kill somebody, you are going to hell". That seems pretty fuckin derogatory to me. That and your statement about "peace and nonviolence" implicates soldiers as being unholy. So it seems that you may be full of shit. "
Since our earlier point is still in dispute (how i have no idea) this point will continue to be as well. But for arguments sake, say im right and a christian has to follow the 10 commandments. Now if a christian goes and becomes a solider and kills someone he will break one of the commandments. Thats what im getting at.
Therefore any truely religious soldier will have one hell of a moral delimma on their hands.
One last thing - You stated (or somebody else, i cant remember) times in the old testament when God commaned people to fight. If we were to completely throw out the 10 commandments there would also be the problem that last time i checked the Joint Chiefs and Bush are not God.
Submitted by Sunny (user info) at 2003-12-21 20:09:56 EST (#)
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Yo, RB:
Cobra was refering to what scaryaaron said, not your post. I don't know if that changes what would had to say to him, but I got the idea you thought he was writing to you.
I think "intent" is important to consider when thinking about the 10 commandments. I don't think a soldier who does his duty in war is condemned to hell, even though he technically broke a commandment. I also don't think a mother who kills to defend her child is condemned. Of course, I don't believe in eternal damnation ANYWAY...so perhaps I'm biased.
Nothing is black and white.
But we're getting off topic, aren't we? People say a lot of stupid shit, and unfortunately we have that whole free speech clause in the Bill of Rights, so I guess they're allowed to do so. I still maintain that saying "God Bless ____" is not necessarily an act of arrogance, but opinions are like assholes and everybody has one, yaddah yaddah.
Submitted by CobraCommander (user info) at 2003-12-21 20:07:32 EST (#)
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If you read what I said, I was talking about the INSTITUTIONS of the church and civil government. This does not apply to individuals. In terms of soldiers, they are carrying out the express written orders of the government.
In terms of the church, I don't particularly agree with it. After all, look at the Inquisition. But no, it doesn't apply to individuals, it applies to the institution.
I'll have those passages for you later, because I just got back from dinner.
"The worst of this has to do with soldiers. All the time I hear, God bless our troops. Guess what assholes, ever fucking major religion teaches peace and nonviolence. Unless God has updated the bible to version 2.0, you're fucked. The minute you kill one person, you're fucked. Game over, end of story. The 6th commandment is pretty fucking clear on that. Thou shall not murder. Not really too much lost in the translation on that one. There's no asterisk next to it with a statement "Unless in the event your commander orders you to, then it's a-ok." No, you fucked up and YOUR gonna pay the price."
Let's look at that last sentence. No, You fucked up and YOUR gonna pay the price. Call me stupid, but that seems as though you are saying "If you are a soldier and you've had to kill somebody, you are going to hell". That seems pretty fuckin derogatory to me. That and your statement about "peace and nonviolence" implicates soldiers as being unholy. So it seems that you may be full of shit.
Submitted by TheRef (user info) at 2003-12-21 19:58:39 EST (#)
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What about "God save the queen"?
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2003-12-21 19:23:55 EST (#)
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PAS im saving myself for you.
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2003-12-21 19:22:51 EST (#)
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the_seeker - Read what i said earlier to scaryaaron.
CobraCommander - What a poor lost soul you are. Another person who doesnt actually read what i write, but makes it up as he goes along. OK kido, listen up. Did i say anything deragtory towards our soldiers? Nope i didnt. I didnt mention anything like that at all. I didnt say fuck them, i didnt say i wasnt proud of the sarcrafice that they, and the ones 200+ years ago made. Im actually very proud and i do support them. How you pulled that from what i said is a testament to the stupidy of man.
"Yes, the 6th commandment is "Thou shalt not do murder". Read the Bible more closely, and you will see that the only institutions that are permitted to kill without breaking that commandment are the church and the civil government"
Really? So the ten commandments only apply to Civil government and the church itself, then christians as people not binded to follow those ten? I really would love for you to point out the passages that say this. I really think it would revolutionize christian doctrine. Another question, you said church, well wouldnt a christian be considered part of the church? One of its members? And if so, wouldnt they have to follow that commandments laid forth.
Cobra one last thing. You truely have no idea what your talking about or what im talking about. I think it best if you stay out of the dicussion.
Spite - Its really sad you believe that.
Submitted by PeopleAreStrange (user info) at 2003-12-21 19:22:00 EST (#)
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I agree.
So...get any tail recently?
Submitted by Chris at 2003-12-21 19:09:57 EST (#)
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Your an idiot
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2003-12-21 18:28:40 EST (#)
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Yeah. I have no input on this topic, because I've learned to tune out that sort of thing.
Submitted by Spite (user info) at 2003-12-21 18:15:10 EST (#)
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I hate it too, but we live in a Christian nation, get used to it.
Submitted by Kristen (user info) at 2003-12-21 17:10:50 EST (#)
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Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2003-12-21 16:35:50 (#)
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I just what i wrote and it came off kind dick Kris and i apologise.
Im not trying to be mean. I just found out i got a fucking flat and now i got to order a new tire from fucking WISCONSIN! So im cranky.
Stupid tires.
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Yeah, well I took out months of pent up religion post frustration on you. That's not too fair, either. Plus I'm going through my own shit and am probably lacking a certain amount of objectivity at the moment.
+2 and naked bear hug.
Submitted by louis at 2003-12-21 17:06:52 EST (#)
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'The reason i focused on America saying it, is because thats what i hear everyday. If i lived in another country and heard them saying it i would think its dumb as well. Any person that says it for any country is retarded.'
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I never hear anyone say 'God bless Australia', especially as part of a christmas greeting.
Submitted by CobraCommander (user info) at 2003-12-21 16:55:57 EST (#)
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Wisconsin huh? never thought of that place as the tire capitol of the world.
Submitted by CobraCommander (user info) at 2003-12-21 16:50:54 EST (#)
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Aight...
I don't give a shit about what you said about the religion thing, people can believe what the hell they want to believe, but it's obvious from your little remark about soldiers that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
First off, you're a hypocrite to be talkin shit about them, because if it wasn't for a lot of soldiers that died on a field, frightened, hungry, probably cold, undoubtedly wishing that he was at home, 225 years ago, you wouldn't be a goddamn american, and these rights that you have, namely the one to say what you want and make a total ass out of yourself, wouldn't exist. The fact that you made that post is owed to soldiers. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
Second off, do some more research. No, the bible didn't upgrade to 2.0, but if you got some facts straight you'd see that your argument that all soldiers are fucked is irrelevant. Yes, the 6th commandment is "Thou shalt not do murder". Read the Bible more closely, and you will see that the only institutions that are permitted to kill without breaking that commandment are the church and the civil government. What this means, because I'm not going to chance that you are reading in between the lines here, when killing is done by the civil government, it isn't murder.
Therefore, what you said about soldiers is crap, and shame on you, they've done nothing wrong but show a larger sense of civic duty and responsibility for their fellow countrymen than you ever have. You enjoy your rights without thought or care to where they truly come from.
Oh yes, and if you're thinking about saying that the Bible isn't the ultimate word on whether or not or soldiers are fucked because thats only one religion, don't try it. You are the one who brought the bible up SPECIFICALLY in the first place, so your argument would be self defeating.
Have a nice day
Submitted by The_Seeker (user info) at 2003-12-21 16:44:56 EST (#)
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unless god updated the bible to version 2.0, your'e fucked. Hmmmmmm..........in the bible version 1.0, The Old Testament, God didn't have a problem with sending the Isrealite's into Canan an putting everyone to the sword. Now there was a God you could root for. "Submit to me an my homies, or I'll kick the shit out of you AND your family". The New Testament is basically God, after he jound Jesus.
God Bless!
Submitted by Sunny (user info) at 2003-12-21 16:38:11 EST (#)
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I understand where you're coming from, but I don't agree with you, RB.
I don't think when someone says, "God bless _____" they're telling God to fuck everyone else. I think it's more of a "hey big guy, can you look out for me" thing. One of your definitions for the word "bless" is to protect, correct? If I heard someone say God Bless America, I'd assume they were asking for protection, not favor. Of course, I may be giving people way too much credit.
Religion should be an intensely private thing...between you and your particular version of the Divine. It burns my biscuits when people get up in your face about your actions, when judgement is supposed to be something reserved for the Almighty. Before attending to the mote in they neighbor's eye, tend to the beam in thine own, etc etc. I'm not Christian myself, but I can get behind that sentiment.
Loki -- Technically I'm supposed to spit on Tar Heels when I see them, but I was rooting for the boys in baby blue yesterday as well. I'm glad to see they're actually good this year...it'll make watching Duke spank their tails in Cameron that much more satisfying. ;-)
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2003-12-21 16:35:50 EST (#)
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I just what i wrote and it came off kind dick Kris and i apologise.
Im not trying to be mean. I just found out i got a fucking flat and now i got to order a new tire from fucking WISCONSIN! So im cranky.
Stupid tires.
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2003-12-21 16:30:51 EST (#)
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Of course, the irony here is that God could be on both sides, or neither.
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Dead on balls right!
"So then, you don't advocate ANY country blessing themselves. A Chinese man can't say, "God bless China", a Canadian woman cannot say, "God bless Canada," etc? Or are you only focusing on requests for America's blessings? Also, are you anti-ANY religion requesting blessings from their God or only the Judeo-Christian God? Because if you want to go the hypocrite route...you know. "
The reason i focused on America saying it, is because thats what i hear everyday. If i lived in another country and heard them saying it i would think its dumb as well. Any person that says it for any country is retarded.
You fail to see what im saying. If a religious person says God Bless Me thats fine. You are saying that you are worthy enought to recieve the blessing of God. Thats cool with me. But im against people doing it for an entire country. That is just silly.
I believe that IF there is a God, and Tt does judge people It does it on a person by person basis. So lets stick with that.
Submitted by Kristen (user info) at 2003-12-21 16:24:17 EST (#)
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So then, you don't advocate ANY country blessing themselves. A Chinese man can't say, "God bless China", a Canadian woman cannot say, "God bless Canada," etc? Or are you only focusing on requests for America's blessings? Also, are you anti-ANY religion requesting blessings from their God or only the Judeo-Christian God? Because if you want to go the hypocrite route...you know.
Submitted by Korik (user info) at 2003-12-21 16:24:09 EST (#)
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"Now I'm thinking the meaning people are trying to go for in this situation is probably number 3. So by saying God Bless America, we are really saying hey God watch out for America."
Interesting... I was thinking most people would think it was number 5 - to confer prosperity or happiness on.
Let's face it, every army that's ever gone into battle has done so hoping they had the blessing of their god. Take the Middle East nations (Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan) for instance. Those religous idiots actually believe that God (yes the same God that we invoke in this country) is on THEIR side. They consider any war against us a "holy war". Of course, they are dillusional because as any sane person knows God is on OUR side. (And always has been.)
Of course, the irony here is that God could be on both sides, or neither. And that is contingent on the fact that He even exists, which more and more in this country don't believe.
Submitted by Tom (user info) at 2003-12-21 16:19:24 EST (#)
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My prayer before bed:
And God bless Loki and God bless Reallybored and God bless Insanethemind and God bless Apollo and God bless Rizzo and God bless Negative2man and God bless Bargled and God bless Jinky and God bless Bozz and God bless Loren1 and God bless......
I do this for about an hour. GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shiny happy people holding hands......
-Tom
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2003-12-21 16:16:06 EST (#)
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""Submitted by jimbobjoe (user info) at 2003-12-21 15:57:35 (#)
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And oh yeah, nice small wooden box on your coffee table there.... is there something
good inside it? ""
hahaha, looks like someone has a dugout on the coffee table! +2 for the dugout, since you either don't care or didn't notice.
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2003-12-21 16:14:10 EST (#)
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Some good discussion. I like it!
El Guapo - I understand. I didnt mean this to be a God post. I HATE god posts. This is more of a stupid phrase post. But i apologise. I will go back to talk about hurting young children and drinking in future posts. PROMISE!
jimbobjoe - Some kid i met one night just gave it to me. It was full then. Its empty now. HEHE!
mox9 - Two totally different things. I think people say God Bless you out of habit. God bless america is more of actual meaning.
kristen - This isnt a PC article or bashing God article at all. Your policeman analagy is completely off. To make it similar you would have to say, "Policeman - Protect White people." Or to be more accurate, "Policeman - Protect Americans." By saying God Bless AMERICA, your telling God to say fuck off to everybody else. Otherwise you would say God Bless EVERYBODY. Another thing im saying is that if your going to call yourself a member of a certain religion (ie christian, jewish, muslim, etc) you HAVE to follow the fucking rules. If you dont, your a fucking hypocrit. Its just not open to discussion.
Scaryaaron - Do The 10 commandments are the fucking cornerstone of Christian Doctrine. You cant sit here and tell me to overlook then and look at other times events in christian history. We cannot pick and choose what to follow and when to follow it. Remember the 10 commandments (according to Christians) are the fucking word of God. The testaments are written by Man through divine inspriation. If i were a believeing catholic i would pick God's words over inspired man.
Submitted by jimbobjoe (user info) at 2003-12-21 15:57:35 EST (#)
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And oh yeah, nice small wooden box on your coffee table there.... is there something
good inside it?
Submitted by jimbobjoe (user info) at 2003-12-21 15:55:43 EST (#)
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God bless you really bored. :) As far as the new and old testament go, they seem to
contain different gods. One vengeful and violent, the other forgiving and benevolent.
Sorry scaryaaron and anyone else who disagrees with me, try reading some Bertrand Russel,
specifically "Why I am Not a Christian". It would do some good to read the work.
Submitted by Kristen (user info) at 2003-12-21 15:52:19 EST (#)
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Hey, the lost shaker of salt is on your coffee table.
Anyway, I'm Christian and I'm able to look at both sides of the coin. I understand how annoying it would be for a non-Christian to hear a person that is imperfect as well criticize every choice and action they do with, "You're going to go to hell for that." So I don't do it. (Ok, I think it, but I don't say it. Which is nicer than a lot of people who both think and say I'm a "fucking sheep" for following my personal religious beliefs.) I don't try and make people come to church with me. I don't try and force people to read the Bible. My religion is something I do for me and me alone. However, when I sit back and read post after post bitching about religion or God or what's p.c. and what's not, it reiterates to me that no matter how out of your face with my religion I may be, you will always be in mine about what you believe. It's damn frustrating. All of you whine and moan, "Oh, live and let live." Well, start fucking *doing* it instead of *saying* it in one sentence and turning around and doing otherwise in the next. There's a word for that, you know.
This isn't directed at you in particular, RB, just every stinking person that cries all the livelong day about God this, God that.
Submitted by FrancescBlandino (user info) at 2003-12-21 15:50:49 EST (#)
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Right !!
At least some US-american with intelligence.
And for everything else: God bless Costa Rica !!
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2003-12-21 15:37:01 EST (#)
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+2 for good beer
-1 for the word "God" appearing in your title
-1 for the word "America" appearing in the same sentence as "God"
and +1 because I know your next post will probably be much better.
Submitted by scaryaaron (user info) at 2003-12-21 15:35:58 EST (#)
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The worst of this has to do with soldiers. All the time I hear, God bless our troops. Guess what
assholes, ever fucking major religion teaches peace and nonviolence. Unless God has updated the
bible to version 2.0, you're fucked. The minute you kill one person, you're fucked. Game over, end of
story. The 6th commandment is pretty fucking clear on that. Thou shall not murder. Not really too
much lost in the translation on that one. There's no asterisk next to it with a statement "Unless in the
event your commander orders you to, then it's a-ok." No, you fucked up and YOUR gonna pay the
price.
What about all the times that God (yes God) sent the nation of Isreal into battle? What about David slaying
Goliath? Ok. Forget all that. Now put yourself in a soldiers boots for a minute. Would you stand there and
be killed? It becomes self defense and preservation. If the soldier is there wrongly then it becomes the
responsibilty of the leader that placed him or her there. Would it not? I know what the commandments say.
But before you write something like this, maybe you should do some homework and read the old testament.
Submitted by Magno (user info) at 2003-12-21 15:27:57 EST (#)
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I'm with Loki on this one.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2003-12-21 15:19:13 EST (#)
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I don't like being told to have a "blessed day". It seems to be a black thing. I don't get it and it irritates me. It also irritates me that for some fucking reason every ballgame I've been to since 9/11 has someone sing God Bless America along with the National Anthem. That makes me nuts. I don't hate it as much as losing to Wake in triple over time - but I hate it anyway.
Submitted by Kristen (user info) at 2003-12-21 15:14:45 EST (#)
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Now my question is, at what point did American become so arrogant that we feel God should protect us?
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How is that arrogant? If you are getting mugged on the street and yell out to a cop, "Policeman, protect me!" would that make you arrogant? To assume you need the protection more than any other person on the street at that time? No. It wouldn't. (which, since you're a man's man and all, I know you wouldn't do-you would kick the mugger's pansy ass, but bear with me here.)
The fact of the matter is, every country blesses itself. Get over it.
Submitted by mox9 (user info) at 2003-12-21 15:13:46 EST (#)
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'Now I'm thinking the meaning people are trying to go for in this situation is probably number 3. So by saying God Bless America, we are really saying hey God watch out for America. Protect us, shield us from evil, and keep us safe blah blah blah. Now my question is, at what point did American become so arrogant that we feel God should protect us?'
-If you were to sneeze and I were to say 'God bless you.' It does not mean God only bless you and damn everyone else.
Submitted by Fartman (user info) at 2003-12-21 15:09:07 EST (#)
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"Because the country I live in, has God on it's side."-Bob Dylan