FUCK the Poor. (4975 hits)
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Submitted by Anthony Locascio <judoka1978.at.hotmail.com> (View user info) at 2004-01-25 12:59:53 EST
This may be an incoherent post because I'm so pissed off, but I must vent or the vein in my head will blow. Time and time again, I pick up a newpaper, turn on the TV, flick on the radio, I hear people complaining that they don't have enough. They want more. They want more social security. They want to know why the government isn't supplying enough jobs. They want to know why Bush didn't extend unemployment benefits another 13 weeks. What about a "living wage"? What about "affordable healthcare"? What about "working families" and, oh yeah, the one I hate most of all, "the working poor."
It's time we got something straight - succeeding in this country is VERY straightforward. Note I didn't say easy. I said straightforward. It's very clear what you do and don't do to do well in the US. Get pregnant at a young age? You're screwed. Like to smoke and drink? That's gonna cost you big bucks at the doctor. Like to drive like a rabid raccoon hopped up on speed? The ticket and the insurance are going to kill your wallet. Almost every poor person you've ever met is poor because they do what they want to do, not what they should do. And yes, they expect you to pay for it.
Nobody who is of sound mind and body in this country has to be poor, end of story. With no college education, I got a job doing medical transcription, paying me a nice salary with medical, dental, and vision benefits. How did I get it? I knew how to type, something I learned IN MIDDLE SCHOOL. Now I'm an electrical engineer, and money is never an object. My father was the son of a seamstress and a truck driver - he now is an executive at IBM. Don't you ever open your mouth about being poor to him, he'll stick his fist down your throat and pull out your gall bladder.
Nobody in this country has to be poor at their outset. The sick, the infirm, and the mentally handicapped need help, and they're entitled to that, because this is America and we assist our brothers and sisters who need it. The bulk of the fools in this country holding up signs that say "Bush = no jobs" are leeches. If you went to work today, they've latched onto YOU. They're sucking the blood out of you. They've made bad choices, and now they want you to pay for them. Not me. And if you have any self-respect, not you. With 2-3 hours a day, you can go down to your local library and acquire enough skills to earn $30k a year. I know because I did it (SQL programming).
So that brings us to the question: If no one HAS to be poor, and the poor get and stay that way because of the choices they make, how can they ever not be poor? The answer is they can't. They will always be poor. It's the same reason some trailer trash who wins $3 million in the state lottery is broke 8 months later. It's a state of mind, being poor, one to which they will continually return.
They use drugs recreationally that harm their health.
They have children out of wedlock which they cannot support.
They spend rather than save.
They look to others rather than themselves.
They cultivate weakness, rather than strength.
They nurture dependence, not self-reliance.
For all these reasons, and so many, many more, given this absolutely incredible country where there are no limits except the self-imposed, I say to you all with no regret in my heart:
FUCK THE POOR.
-Look in the mirror tomorrow and look at a large-sized jerk.
--Long John Nebel
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Submitted by enraged_baboon (user info) at 2004-02-22 13:52:00 EST (#)
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you want to fuck the poor?
sicko
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2004-02-22 13:49:56 EST (#)
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Submitted by Joe Blow <bunratty.at.upyours.com> at 2004-01-31 06:50:47 EST (#)
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True indeed. You'd have to be retarded, insane, and lost to die of hunger in this country. Any poor person with more than 10 CDs or DVDs, or more than 2 pairs of nigged out shoes needs smacked the next time they bitch about social injustice. Stop buying crap you don't need plebians!
Submitted by kgbpasha (user info) at 2004-01-31 04:40:33 EST (#)
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It's simple. You either:
1-Work
2-Work it
3-Get worked
Work is a funny word.
I would prefer to "work it" but it's too much work.
So I just "work" and "get worked" in the process. But
it's better than not working and getting worked. By
"work it" i mean "work the system".
I'm working on figuring out how to "work it" without having
to work too hard at it and not get worked in the process.
Submitted by DarqV <darqvaluere.at.yahoo.com> at 2004-01-30 15:40:14 EST (#)
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True. My mother died because some stupid asshole felt like creating a defective tire. My family sued and now we're filthy rich. That fucker's poor now.
Don't do drugs, stay in school, and if you still get fucked...find God you bastard.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-30 12:15:37 EST (#)
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Firefly, when I was a newbie, I never just went on posts and replied with Fuck You, you fag, faggoty faggot, what a fag, asshole, and the like. Plus, the those two were demonstrably moronic. I can't tolerate that, I'm sorry.
Submitted by firefly (user info) at 2004-01-30 12:04:48 EST (#)
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you were a newbie once too and i am sure you would not have liked it if someone dismissed your opinion just because you were new to this website. Why do you think you are better then them? because you found ubersite first and because they disagree with your opinion. You did not call any of the other newbies scum who agreed with your opinion.
You have a problem with giving anyone respect who disagrees with your opinions. In the end it is just your opinion and you will die and so will your opinions. so why should it matter that people disagree with you? It would be awfully hard to find a person that would agree with anything you or anyone else thinks one hundred percent. There are people that i never agree with one this site or people that i know in person, but i don't hate them and i don't call them stupid. I do not think that you are stupid because you have a different opinion then me. Ignorant maybe but nort stupid.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-30 10:40:32 EST (#)
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Both of you piss off. Newbie scum.
Submitted by Hugeos (user info) at 2004-01-30 09:14:55 EST (#)
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That's the last thing I need. Some spotty little whining teenage twat moaning about poor people.
Fuck the poor?
Fuck you.
Submitted by off. post. <hobmal> at 2004-01-30 06:21:38 EST (#)
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This writing should not be placed in the category of politics... The writer´s opinion is... infant. He has obviously no educations in social matters nor in politics... his understanding of a society is non-existant. The only contribution of his sad crap is to show us the real danger of all democratic countries: people as stupid as he is actually.. exist.
Submitted by skillet <junkmail.at.travellitheband.com> at 2004-01-29 21:49:43 EST (#)
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Yup. Right on, man.
Submitted by Hafguitarist6767 <hafguitarist6767.at.hotmail.com> at 2004-01-29 20:20:09 EST (#)
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i reallyu wanted to -2 you but ive gotta admit you make a damn good case. so +1 because i cant really +2 someone who says fuck you to me haha
Submitted by chrishta (user info) at 2004-01-29 18:11:06 EST (#)
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I read your post which was complete drivel, then I read your comments which were even worse (I couldn't bring myself to read them all).
My question is: Who are you to decide who deserves help and who should rot in the gutter?
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-29 16:34:46 EST (#)
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Krystal:
I read your post more closely: You have a kid. You can't afford a kid. You shouldn't have a kid. Moron.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-29 16:33:06 EST (#)
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It means you're a loser, Krystal. Get off my post, deadbeat.
Submitted by Krystal <imyourlukeestar.at.aol.com> at 2004-01-29 16:05:26 EST (#)
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I don't come from a destitute family, my dad is a fire captain, my mom does real estate.. i moved out, i have a real job that makes more than minimum wage... yet i can't afford rent on a one bedroom apartment plus utilities and groceries and any emergency that comes up.... $10/hr times 40 hrs a week = $400 x 4 weeks is $1600 a month, minus about 22% in taxes ($352) so i get about $1248 of it.... average rent in this city is about $1000 for a one bedroom, one bath... now i'm down to $248, then car ins is $100 a month, gas is $40...now i have $108... what about bills?? electric $25, gas $20 water $30 trash $15... that's $90.. i have $18.00 left for food, groceries, education, furniture, clothes, emergencies...... good thing i live w/ my BF or i could never do it alone.....
does the fact that i'm poor mean that i'm a lazy non-do-gooder??? no, it's not my fault shit's expensive!! add a kid to that equation.... thank God for welfare for those who really need it...
Submitted by Lucifer_Industries (user info) at 2004-01-29 15:44:43 EST (#)
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I am not at all in favor of amusements for the poor. Blankets and coal are sufficient.
Malone
Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2004-01-29 13:54:12 EST (#)
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Also, I have to wonder why you are writing this.
Was it to engender discussion? Was it to make your little mark on the most heated list? Was it just to get something off your chest?
Because it seems to me that you feel that anyone who disagrees with you is an uneducated, underclassed moron. If you really feel that way, there's not much point in having a discussion with you.
Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2004-01-29 12:21:43 EST (#)
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Well, I suppose I got here rather late...
Author - You have some decent ideas but the post as a whole is so full of bullshit that the stink drives people away from looking at the things that make sense.
Have you ever taken a macroeconomics course? I find it very unlikely. If you had, you would understand that full employment is impossible in a capitalist system.
If the poor collectively pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and were suddenly competing for those jobs, do you know what would happen? Other people would lose their jobs and become the new poor.
There are not enough jobs to employ everyone. Not now, not ever. Consider the Great Depression of the 1930s... was it everyone's fault THEN that they didn't have a job?
As America continues to export lower income jobs around the world, we continue to have fewer opportunities for those without the neccessary job skills.
I wonder how your seamstress of a grandmother would have done if the textile company she worked for had packed up and moved to Taiwan while she was in her thirties. Her prospects for employment would have been grim indeed.
Does America mishandle its treatment of the poor? Damn right it does.
You also seem to think that poor people are getting proper social education. They are not.
The primary socialization agent for human beings is the nuclear family. The secondary socialization agents are community, extended family that is close, etc. School is only a tertiary socializaion agent.
If you haven't taken sociology (doesn't matter to me) what that means is that people learn from their families or communities and the people around them more than they learn from school. When a conflicting message is sent, they tend to listen to the higher tiered agent.
Therefore, if a kid is being told in school "don't have kids early" and everyone around them is having kids early, and their parents had kids early, out of wedlock, chances are they will too. It's not that they weren't educated, they were MISeducated. By the time they've really learned, it's too late, and the next generation will repeat the same mistakes.
Submitted by firefly (user info) at 2004-01-29 11:59:58 EST (#)
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i hope you end up homeless.
Submitted by RichChick <HomelessAndPoorPeople.at.suck.com> at 2004-01-29 09:52:18 EST (#)
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I'm with you on this one.
Also, fuck the homeless. Anybody can work at McDonalds and get an apartment.
Submitted by pilsbury <citizengreen.at.lycos.co.uk> at 2004-01-29 07:42:13 EST (#)
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You're totally wrong in every way.
Fair enough, in some respect everything a person does comes down to certain choices they make. What you're completely ignoring is the factors which influence those decisions.
Varying degrees of education plays a big role.
Drugs are used by all groups including the rich, but someone from a deprived background is more likely to be seeking an escape from reality.
People have often done what you've done here, and pointed to the exceptions as proof that anyone can succeed. But the fact that a minority of people who are born into poor families succeed financially doesn't take away from the fact that the majority do not. Are you suggesting that it's a coincidence that most people who are born poor also die poor? You don't think the fact that they haven't had as much opportunity as other people makes it harder for them?
People make bad decisions true, but why do they make these decisions?
Submitted by TheRef (user info) at 2004-01-29 01:51:51 EST (#)
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"If you can read this, thank a teacher;
..if you are reading it in English, thank a soldier."
this really has nothing to do with the post. i just cam across is and it sounds cool. And it is true.
Submitted by Chris <noway.at.jose.com> at 2004-01-28 23:52:18 EST (#)
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Couldn't have said it better meself!
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-28 23:30:34 EST (#)
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I'm a Libertarian, like that means ANYTHING. Democrats used to be about putting people to work, rather than paying them not to work. Political affiliation, as TheRef pointed out, means nothing on this issue.
Submitted by The_Original_Mac_Daddy_Surge (user info) at 2004-01-28 22:16:29 EST (#)
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i agree completely
Submitted by TheRef (user info) at 2004-01-28 21:41:22 EST (#)
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you don't have to be republican to think that people can help themselves.
let me guess your a democrat? how about a socialist?
because i'm christian does that make me a republican?
because i believe that a womans body is her right, does that make me a democrat?
how about this -just call me a republocrat. does that make it any easier on your fragile mind?
Submitted by Aphrodite (user info) at 2004-01-28 21:32:41 EST (#)
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Are you a Republican?
Submitted by The_Original_Mac_Daddy_Surge (user info) at 2004-01-28 21:15:43 EST (#)
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The latest news from iraq http://www.ubersite.com/m/24292
Submitted by TheRef (user info) at 2004-01-28 21:00:41 EST (#)
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who the fuck said anythign about ethipoia.
besides they are poor people recieving help from many nations because they no longer wnat to be poor. they want to live the new world dream of becoming a huge superpower and flexing your muscles at anyone or anything that stands against you.
or they just don't want to be classified as 3rd world anymore.
Submitted by mooner (user info) at 2004-01-28 19:52:26 EST (#)
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I agree. I also hate Ethiopia. They try to start an agrucultural country in the desert. they deserve to starve. its dont them and bad, and no good.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-01-28 18:45:38 EST (#)
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I would get into this if I thought you cared about it and didn't just write this to get on the most heated list. Seriously, you have to have a fragile ego if something that small gets you off.
Submitted by TheRef (user info) at 2004-01-28 18:39:39 EST (#)
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i get into your shelter!!! awesome. i want the top bunk though
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-28 17:19:43 EST (#)
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And TheRef hits it again. I can use this post to pick the people that get into my bomb shelter if the nukes get launched from Peking.
Submitted by TheRef (user info) at 2004-01-28 17:15:12 EST (#)
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Submitted by jess <yvaldivia> at 2004-01-28 02:21:09 (#)
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who fucking died and made you king of economics? both of my parents are hard working people. my father worked in the orchards for 30 some odd years. my mother, in a wearhouse for 13 years. seven years ago, my mother sister and myself moved and were forced to live on a $10000-13000 for the past several years..
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your parents had kids before they were financially set. Sure they were able to take care of you and your sis, but you weren't able to afford even some of the simple luxuries in life. Your parents seem like great people. Hopefully you can see what appears to be their one error. Don't breed till your ready, not just because your balls dropped.
Submitted by Brian Ondrusek <bondrusek.at.wooster.edu> at 2004-01-28 17:09:05 EST (#)
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I gotta admit, although there are situations to which your observations do not apply, for the most part you are absolutely right. I do know people who have simply been delt shitty cards in life, which is completely out of their hands. I also know plenty of people who are where they are completely of their own will. Getting to know which of these a person is tends to be very simple too, like you said, it is a mindset. The ones delt tough cards are usually the ones working their asses off to get out of the hole they are in, the ones described by you are the ones choosing to stand in a picket line against the government instead of working their asses off to make life better.
Kudos for your astute observation.
Submitted by The_Original_Mac_Daddy_Surge (user info) at 2004-01-28 15:50:20 EST (#)
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too long to read i cant keep http://www.ubersite.com/m/24263
Submitted by apathetic1 (user info) at 2004-01-28 12:18:02 EST (#)
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Exactly.... fuck them twice.....
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-28 11:25:10 EST (#)
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Fat Tony gives weight to my argument:
http://www.ubersite.com/m/20778
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-28 09:27:36 EST (#)
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And you see, this is what I"m talking about: "Well we just got a bad deal." THERE IS NOT DAMN DEAL. Life is what you make of it, and you can always move ahead with the right mindset. Having a job is hardly enough - there are plenty of dead end McJobs out there that will take 30 years of labor from you and give you the same paycheck every year.
Submitted by throbgod13 (user info) at 2004-01-28 06:15:39 EST (#)
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your still full of shit..
fucking imperialistic asshole..
your the kind of fuck that gets shot in your lexus, buying cheap pot in the ghetto..
i hope you get audited.. fucker..
Submitted by adept256 (user info) at 2004-01-28 06:12:54 EST (#)
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Spoken like someone who's never experienced hardship in his life. Don't say otherwise, I can read between the lines. You sound like a spoiled brat.
Let me tell you something, I was orphaned as a kid and I went through some tough shit before I got on my feet. It's not my fault though, I was a victim of circumstance. You can't blame people for getting a shitty deal out of life.
Besides, where's your compassion? Are you even human? All I see is an asshole.
Submitted by jess <yvaldivia> at 2004-01-28 02:21:09 EST (#)
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who fucking died and made you king of economics? both of my parents are hard working people. my father worked in the orchards for 30 some odd years. my mother, in a wearhouse for 13 years. seven years ago, my mother sister and myself moved and were forced to live on a $10000-13000 for the past several years. now and then we are desperately in need of assistance. so what? we do turn to welfare and other means of financial assistance. in no way shape or fucking form is my mother stupid or lazy. yes there are some who do simply live off of government aid but the way you put it seemed like you were generalizing everyone. that all those on welfare are lazy dumbasses. some things such as language barriers or having to quit your education at a early age, like at the age of 9 like my father, are obligated to ask for assistance.
you made a remark saying that the poor "rather spend than save." what sort of smart ass remark is this? some people who happen to have jobs live check to check. no how the hell are they to put some money away? some of these families in these postions only hope that their children do not follow in their footstpes and get a high school degree and yes, a college degree.
Submitted by TheRef (user info) at 2004-01-28 01:52:56 EST (#)
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no we can't get along.
now run along and die
Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-01-28 01:11:50 EST (#)
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Isn't everyone entitled to thier own opinions? I mean comon, I haven't read one article on this site without someone bashing someone elses review on the current topic. Even if a post is completely idiotic and illogical isn't it safe to say that hey if they had the balls to write what they did then they have enough issues to deal with on a day to day basis that we dont need to mentally skull fuck them with lame remarks to try and cause some further physiological damage in addition to whatever mental problems already exist every opportunity we get? As far as constructive criticism goes I think alot of you users cross the line.. fuck the line some of you go completely overboard when you mangle their intellectual integrity based on one story. Can't we all just get along? (big hug from a friendly stoner) -eric
Submitted by digsy (user info) at 2004-01-27 22:06:49 EST (#)
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the ironing is amazing
Submitted by Mothyham (user info) at 2004-01-27 20:40:55 EST (#)
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because of the later post chastizing people for giving -2's
you faggot wop
Submitted by spedmonkey (user info) at 2004-01-27 19:23:05 EST (#)
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Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-26 19:46:18 (#)
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Spedmonkey:
Because you're fucking wrong, chode-smoker. WRONG.
OK, so I guess i've really been put in my place. Why am I wrong, o genius, all-knowing master of economics and the universe?
Submitted by TheRef (user info) at 2004-01-27 17:34:53 EST (#)
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You got me there guap. Your tax dollars do pay my salary and for my booze. You think i get out of it all? I get below the U.S. minimum wage and still have to pay taxes. I pay my own fuckin salary. The only time i get out of it is when i go to a combat zone. Then you should understand why the gov doesn't want us concerned with taxes and other shit.
As for experience, I concede your point. It seems you have balls. You fucked with the nazis and seemed to get the worst of it for a while. Good for you.
I have only been to the gulf once, i'm in korea now, will be in germany in may, and back in iraq in december. I haven't had a chance to lead the american dream since i came in. Hell i haven't been in one place long enough to try. Thats the hardest part about being military. You get alot of perks but you also deal with alot more hardships. Try taking paragraph one and adding a wife and a couple kids. Then try throwing in the first sentence of this one. You get a fucked situation.
You stay on your white horse guap. The worst is behind you. I have the worst yet to come.
oh yeah- fuck the "stupid*" poor
*those who know they can do better but are comfortable getting the gov to pay for everything.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-27 17:14:11 EST (#)
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A crack addiction wouldn't put a serious dent in your economic future, Reallybored? I mean, if your poor, perhaps you shouldn't even TOUCH the booze, the rock, whatever, even if you can handle it.
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2004-01-27 12:01:24 EST (#)
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I didnt read the replies so if i repeat...blah blah.
Anyway...
"They use drugs recreationally that harm their health."
I know alot of rich people who use drugs recreationally. What the fuck does that have to do with being poor?
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-27 10:39:47 EST (#)
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Looks like I have to spell it out for mongoloids like Guapo:
You can do whateer you want, so long as you don't bother anyone else, financially or otherwise. None of this crap applies to a guy who's got some jack, because he's not asking others to pick up after him. Really Guapo, don't reply. You obviously don't understand dick, even when I lay it out for you like a freaking popup book.
Submitted by NotApologizing (user info) at 2004-01-27 10:33:09 EST (#)
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On a lighter note, I love the scene in 'Life of Brian' where the People Front of Judiah (sp?) are debating the main points of Jesus' sermon. From a historical perspective, it is pretty funny to think of christians or jews debating the points that Jesus made, since so many take them as gospel 2000 years later.
"What Jesus fails to realize is that it's the meek who are the problem!"
Submitted by anon at 2004-01-27 10:20:03 EST (#)
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ur a fucking piece of shit that lives in ur parents basement. FUCK YOU
Submitted by Tom at 2004-01-27 08:47:56 EST (#)
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You're a bit of a twat arent you mate? Get your head out your ass and take a look at the real world moron.
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2004-01-27 03:34:50 EST (#)
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""Submitted by TheRef (user info) at 2004-01-27 02:48:41 (#)
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as for combat. its the first time in combat that affects you. you either suck it up and press on or turn into one of those self-loathing zombies you see in platoon or full metal jacket.
i'm sure you have had more hazardous jobs than i. selling crack in south san antonio for instance would probaly be more hazardous than being in war. Unless your a fucking drug dealer or a postal employee or a cop, chances are you haven't the slightest clue about what it is like to be in the military. any branch of the military. sign up for the fucking coast guard. i don't care. chances are raiding drug cartel boats underway is more dangerous than the comfortable life you seem to lead.""
BZZZT!
i was shot at because at the age of 15 i had more guts than you could EVER have and testified against people i KNEW could touch me anywhere i went. you DON'T testify against members of the biggest white power movement in the south at the time and suffer zero repercussions buddy. a year later 3 of them caught me walking home from 7-11, they jumped me and kicked my fucking teeth in asshole. almost a year later, i was with a bunch of friends leaving some fast food joint late night, and those fuckers shot at us. i'm glad you feel entitled to some sort of privilege, but i don't give a fuck if you do your 2 years. i made a decision that affected almost 5 years of my life until i fucking moved, because it was RIGHT. I FOUGHT for justice motherfucker, and i paid for someone else's closure, so go fuck yourself. MY LIFE has been permanently altered because i did the right thing, so don't give me your self righteous bullshit. i don't think the military has taught you that, yet. don't get me wrong, i respect the that you are willing to do what you have to do when the time comes. but I HAVE sacrificed for my fellow american. and during that time i never fucking bowed down to those stupid fucks, never once did i back away from any one of them. i went out every night as usual, made a name for myself locally as a musician and played in two of the biggest bands around while i was in highschool. shit, i was doing tours before i was out of highschool. I was touring in 11th fucking grade! and those motherfuckers spread aroudn the US after a lot of them went down. so talk to me about balls man.
Submitted by yourafuckwad <fuckwad.at.fuckwad.com> at 2004-01-27 03:11:56 EST (#)
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Obviously you've never taken any economics classes, otherwise you'd realise how fucking stupid your arguement is.
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2004-01-27 02:53:23 EST (#)
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""TheRef is free to go out and get totally hammered, or snort coke, or do whatever he likes in that vein (I oppose the drug war, by the way). HE"S MADE HIS WAY. He's got his job. Nobody pays his way. If he wants to go out and have two or a hundred beers, I say go for it, the same as anybody else. But don't expect me to pick up after you.""
so what is the dividing line Mr. Split personality? are there certain exemptions? i especially like the way you say "Nobody pays his way". Because I do, and YOU do. THAT is where the vast majority of your tax dollars go buddy.
don't forget:
"They use drugs recreationally that harm their health."
"They spend rather than save."
don't both of those go against your manifesto? but for now this is your bud, because he suits your needs.
really which is it? where do you stand on that? is it ok for some, and not for others? i mean, our tax dollars pay his salary and healthcare.
Submitted by TheRef (user info) at 2004-01-27 02:48:41 EST (#)
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as for combat. its the first time in combat that affects you. you either suck it up and press on or turn into one of those self-loathing zombies you see in platoon or full metal jacket.
i'm sure you have had more hazardous jobs than i. selling crack in south san antonio for instance would probaly be more hazardous than being in war. Unless your a fucking drug dealer or a postal employee or a cop, chances are you haven't the slightest clue about what it is like to be in the military. any branch of the military. sign up for the fucking coast guard. i don't care. chances are raiding drug cartel boats underway is more dangerous than the comfortable life you seem to lead.
Submitted by Tristero (user info) at 2004-01-27 02:45:20 EST (#)
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Well Domenad, thanks for conceding my point. If you had titled this post "Fuck the stupid ass, bad choice making, whining and bitching poor," then I might have agreed with you. Then it would have exempted the poor who have some right to complain. Like all the poor Enron employees. They were encouraged and given incentives (matching funds) to put all their savings into Enron stock. Then they were told that they would be locked out of their 401(k)s while a new investment firm took over management of the accounts. During the lockout, execs and directors still had access and dumped their stock. Then they declared bankruptcy. Workers lost their income and 1.2 billion from their 401(k)s, while insiders walked with 1.1 billion. It's basically class warfare, and believe it or not, unless you make upwards of $300,000 a year, you ought to be siding with the poor. I don't consider myself poor at all, but it pisses me off that I pay taxes to a government that seems intent on helping the absurdly rich get richer. In 1995, 84 millionaires filed returns owing zero taxes. Nearly 14,000 returns were filed by people who earned $200,000 or more and paid less than 10%. Almost 1300 corporations with assets over $250 million paid no income tax. (Figures from the Center for Public Integrity) Those figures are from the Clinton years! before Bush created more tax breaks for the ultra rich. And that doesn't even include all of the sneaky offshore banking that our politicians turn a blind eye to. The way I see it, if the top percent or two paid the same percentage in taxes that I do, we could afford to fund some programs that might educate the dumb ass poor people and provide health care to the drug addicts and so on. There would still be enough money left to fund Wars on Terrorism, which keep Americans safe and keep Bechtel and Haliburton execs rolling in so much money that they don't mind having to actually pay taxes. The best part is that the "too stupid to not be poor" people stop complaining. Or if they don't then we can feel a little more justified in saying "Fuck the poor."
Submitted by TheRef (user info) at 2004-01-27 02:43:48 EST (#)
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"you stereotype and scapegoat people, and the sad part is that you've probably never known REAL poor people. i'm talking below poverty level. i'm talking about people in places like the appalachians who can't even afford to move to find a job. have you seen much of america? i'm not talking about tourist spots ans shit, i'm talking about REAL america? i doubt it."
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you forgot to address this waste of cyberspace guap the wop
i had an intel buddy call me from baghdad right after we got there. He had the misfortune of takin a bullet while he was on the phone with me."hey buddy, guess where i am........" thats what i heard. then the phone hit the ground and i got cutoff. go fuck yourself. Don't give me your ghetto shit. I know an army guy who knew a guy who got shot at in fallujah shit. It don't phase me, ass.
back to the point at hand. I believe that at sometime you have to cut the cord and let someone figure life out on their own. You did it. I did it. Dom did it. We all 3 have different stories but they all end up the same. we aren't filching off society. We have all proven the writer of this article right. nuff said.
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2004-01-27 02:25:22 EST (#)
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""Submitted by TheRef (user info) at 2004-01-27 00:44:37 (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/9328
http://www.ubersite.com/m/22882
http://www.ubersite.com/m/9562
these are the only ones i could find on me drinking. but since i do drink at least once a week. And get drunk at least once every 2 weeks, your right. I am a social parasite. but since i do have a steady job. I do work more than just about anyone out there. I am subject to many more hazards than just about any civilian. I think i have the ability..no..the right to knock backa few every now and then. It doesn't diminish my ability to get the job done. It doesn't keep me from getting a job, since i am guarranteed one for at least the next 3 years. so you can go fuck yourself like captain kangaroo.
you can drink and do drugs and be merry all you want as long as you are responsible about it. i thought someone who has been on this site arguing this post for awhile now would see that point. Maybe i should write it on my dick and personally place it across your face. maybe then you'll see it.""
i've had tougher jobs than what you do. and made more doing it. and don't try and bullshit me buddy, i have more friends that have been in the military than you have friends. i have friends that spent more time in the military IN COMBAT than you have been in the army, and i'm talking about people i've been friends with for over half of my life. and they would agree with me whole heartedly. hell, i'd bet I have been shot at more times than you and you're in the fucking army! so dont' try and act all alpha-male with your "Maybe i should write it on my dick and personally place it across your face. " bullshit. and, hey i saw that point, i'm not the person agreeing with someone i disagree with.
"I know you would Guapo, because you're basically still sucking on the teat like so many others."
and what teat am i sucking on dickhead? i didn't take out loans for college, sucker. YOU are probably still sucking on one teat or another, meanwhile i haven't a penny of debt. i don't owe any person or corporation a single fucking penny. and the only grant i ever received was a state grant, haha. it wasn't even your tax dollars asshole!
oh, but this is classic:
"Except for Guapo, who gets the coffee."
nice try, but seriously, quit with the assumptions asshole. i'm starting to think YOU get the coffee where you work. i'm in charge of 20 people, and you know what? if i'm getting coffe, i'll get anyone else coffee or whatever the hell else they want from the breakroom. so i guess sometimes i DO get the coffee. but since you're the one getting your boss coffe like a bitch and not being the cool boss, you wouldn't know what it's like.
Submitted by TheRef (user info) at 2004-01-27 01:40:49 EST (#)
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read the rest of the post dude
i only lived in the area till i was 2
i went to high school in ft. myers.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-27 01:19:42 EST (#)
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HOLY SHIT! REF, I'm from Dunedin, too! You gotta be shitting me! We probably went to the same High School (Dunedin High)!
Submitted by tech-junkie (user info) at 2004-01-27 01:08:23 EST (#)
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Guapo is talking out of the wrong sphincter... don't mind him
Submitted by TheRef (user info) at 2004-01-27 01:00:25 EST (#)
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where are you guap? i have to go home soon and i want to hear your comeback. you've got nothing on me so far and you still look like a dumbass. bring it on bitch.
Submitted by TheRef (user info) at 2004-01-27 00:49:53 EST (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/23973
read the 3rd line guapo. i did grow up in west virginia. or should i say real america. i was on welfare and all those other programs. do some research on me before you try to dis me.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-27 00:47:07 EST (#)
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And tech-junkie FUCKING SCORES. That's the sort of person I'm talking about folks - pays dues, starts at the bottom with an eye for the top. Every person, sound of mind and body, can do it. Except for Guapo, who gets the coffee.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-27 00:45:44 EST (#)
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Guapo, how your overburdened cortex keeps you breathing while you sleep, I'll never know. You can't make an argument against anything I've said because you don't get anything I've said, because you're a troglodyte in men's shoes.
TheRef is free to go out and get totally hammered, or snort coke, or do whatever he likes in that vein (I oppose the drug war, by the way). HE"S MADE HIS WAY. He's got his job. Nobody pays his way. If he wants to go out and have two or a hundred beers, I say go for it, the same as anybody else. But don't expect me to pick up after you. I know you would Guapo, because you're basically still sucking on the teat like so many others. And that's fine - you can do whatever you want, too. Just don't get pissed at me because I'm not standing there like a sap next to you, dumbass.
Submitted by TheRef (user info) at 2004-01-27 00:44:37 EST (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/9328
http://www.ubersite.com/m/22882
http://www.ubersite.com/m/9562
these are the only ones i could find on me drinking. but since i do drink at least once a week. And get drunk at least once every 2 weeks, your right. I am a social parasite. but since i do have a steady job. I do work more than just about anyone out there. I am subject to many more hazards than just about any civilian. I think i have the ability..no..the right to knock backa few every now and then. It doesn't diminish my ability to get the job done. It doesn't keep me from getting a job, since i am guarranteed one for at least the next 3 years. so you can go fuck yourself like captain kangaroo.
you can drink and do drugs and be merry all you want as long as you are responsible about it. i thought someone who has been on this site arguing this post for awhile now would see that point. Maybe i should write it on my dick and personally place it across your face. maybe then you'll see it.
Submitted by tech-junkie (user info) at 2004-01-27 00:43:40 EST (#)
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Here, man... have a +2!
The well-off deserve to have influence in this country. Why, you ask? THEY WORKED THEIR ASSES OFF TO GET WHERE THEY ARE! I'm not talking about the top 1% that inherited billions just for being born... I'm talking about the third shift warehouse supervisor that worked up to line supervisor, then department manager, then plant manager, then asst. VP of operations, then executive VP (i.e. my dad). Sure, we're all humans and on the basic level no one human is better than the other, but in the financial world, things are different. The point of working in a democracy is to work harder and better than my neighbor, so I can be successful. Anything different, and your looking at communism and socialism. If some poor guy intentionally jacked up his life, its not the government's resposibility to burden the taxpayers to provide for him. So, in essence... the man is correct. Poor people do need to quit their bitching.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-27 00:42:09 EST (#)
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WEll you're certainly right about that, Tristero. I didn't do a whole lot of research, didn't hit the library or anything. This is all anecdotal, but then I've met a fair number of people who went on to be very successful and came from poor backgrounds. The American dream has basically been pissed on, when in reality it's very much alive. I mean, you have dumbasses like Guapo who pay for the mistakes of others, thereby perpetuating the behavior. Not me. I'll help anyone who's got a plan. But a mere handout? Forget it. Nowadays, that means you're an asshole. So be it.
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2004-01-27 00:16:36 EST (#)
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""Submitted by TheRef (user info) at 2004-01-26 17:50:26 (#)
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i have trouble seeing where anyone could disagree with you on this point. This is the land of oppertunity. Hard, smart work pays off. I say smart because you have to try something else other than bagging groceries""
see the whole problem with yours and his arguments is statements that essentially boil down to:
"Poor people are all lazy."
"All poor people use drugs."
those are so ridiculously mistaken it's sad. sure, there certainly are lazy people that are poor. sure, there are people that abuse the system. but not all poor people are lazy, and not all people on welfare are abusing it. nobody is arguing about that, but you use examples of a minority to represent the whole, which makes it sound like you are merely spouting rhetoric that you heard from some sensationalist shithead like Michael Savage. you couldn't even tell me how much money the US gov spent on social programs without having to Google it. people like you couldn't possibly relate to another on any level, because you've never formed your own fucking ideas. and just stop with this "bagging groceries" bullshit, that guy brings home more than you. you're in the fucking army.
how many posts have you had on here talking about geting drunk, MR. Ref?
should i quote your buddy? i think i shall.
"They use drugs recreationally that harm their health."
ouch, that's gotta hurt. not only do you make less than the guy bagging groceries, you're also a burden on our horribly taxed social care system! MY tax dollars are going to repair YOUR liver when you've destroyed it! FUCK YOU! MY tax dollars pay YOUR paycheck! isn't that a fucking bummer?
actually, i don't care. do whatever the fuck you want, i'll help foot the bill. we are ALL americans, and just because one person fucks me over i'm never gonna let the other two down that are good for it. when you generalize you do more harm than good. with an attitude like that, i only see a person that could never be a true friend to anyone, because they don't understand sacrifice. are you the kind of guy that would go drive 30 minutes out of the blue to go rescue a buddy with a flat/pick him up from the airport/bail him out of jail/generic major favor? if so, how many times have you done something like that, and it turns out that person wasn't worth it? would that stop you the next time from helping a friend? Poor people aren't the problem, it's bad legislation and bad administration. i'm all for policing abuse of the system, but that would require a short term investment in a long term goal. unfortunately, politics in america don't work that way, partly due to idiots like you and the author who scream for a bandaid when surgery is what is needed, you stereotype and scapegoat people, and the sad part is that you've probably never known REAL poor people. i'm talking below poverty level. i'm talking about the 60 year olds out there that have been working hard their whole fucking lives and don't have shit to show for it. i'm talking about people in places like the appalachians who can't even afford to move to find a job. have you seen much of america? i'm not talking about tourist spots ans shit, i'm talking about REAL america? i doubt it.
Submitted by Tristero (user info) at 2004-01-27 00:01:34 EST (#)
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It's pretty obvious that you came to all of these conclusions based solely on your own experiences. I notice that you don't even bother to find any facts or figures to support your claims. Sure there are some people who are fuck-ups and can't be helped, but it's thoughtless and self righteous babbling to say that everyone who is poor, or even most of them, are so because they've made poor choices. For every example of self inflicted poverty there are certainly examples of honest, hard working people living below the poverty line despite making, what you consider, the "right" choices. There are also people who make all the wrong choices, again by your standards, and get to be president. Your opinion is based on narrow minded speculation.
Submitted by fr33d0mrulz (user info) at 2004-01-26 23:51:04 EST (#)
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True bro true
But how about those people who have no choice as kids, they cant
do anything until they're old enough. They wont go to college
They need to make money for their families,
thereby going to earn minimum w
i understand about ur father, but today kids, maybe from my stereotype,
dont really care until its too late
it may not be their dault
just the way they were raised, so shouldn't it be their
[arent's or some other relative's fault?
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Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-26 22:36:48 EST (#)
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some real wisdom. Thank you, sin
Submitted by sinwithin (user info) at 2004-01-26 20:57:54 EST (#)
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"Lazy hands make a man poor, but diligent hands bring wealth."
-Proverbs 10:4
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"Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, 'Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.'"
-Hebrews 13:5
Submitted by TheRef (user info) at 2004-01-26 20:03:10 EST (#)
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dude, monkey - you are an idiot.
Bagging groceries is for teens. Do you expect someone to do it all their lives? if they are happy doing it and don't want to filch off society, then more power to them. But if you 25 and still bagging groceries while collecting a welfare check just because you are too lazy to , like dom said it, go to the library and learn somehting useful, then you should just die and erase yourself from the genepool.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-26 19:46:18 EST (#)
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Spedmonkey:
Because you're fucking wrong, chode-smoker. WRONG.
Submitted by spedmonkey (user info) at 2004-01-26 19:20:57 EST (#)
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While my friends and I have joked about just fucking the poor over, I can't actually say that I agree with that sentiment. While it's true that, percentage-wise, a lucky few can overcome their situation to become wealthy, most can't rise above it. You point to a handful who have accomplished that, and yet the vast majority of the country is still in blue-collar jobs, or worse. While I agree that extraordinarily poor choices can and will affect your social standing, most of those not lucky enough to be a part of the middle-to-upper class have not made any such choices. They simply did not a get a chance as many others did. I am the son of two lawyers, and never had to worry about getting anything in life. Most of my relatives are part of the working-class. The only difference between them and me is that they never had the opportunities I had growing up. Had we switched places at birth, they likely would be where I am now, as a programmer at a prestigious software company, and I would probably be doing the same menial jobs they do now. The blue-collar people make this country, and most countries, work. There are simply not enough high-level, coddling jobs for everyone. Someone DOES have to bag your groceries, or pump your gas, or paint your house, whether you like it or not. So why don't you stop sucking your dad's dick, get off your knees, and look around long enough to realize that that's just the way the world works?
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-26 19:08:49 EST (#)
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The Ref nails it squarely. Good for you, friend. Yes, everyone needs a helping hand here and there, and that's just fine. But some people think they're like baby bald eagles - they exist to open their yaps and be FED. Uh uh, my friend.
Submitted by TheRef (user info) at 2004-01-26 17:50:26 EST (#)
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i have trouble seeing where anyone could disagree with you on this point. This is the land of oppertunity. Hard, smart work pays off. I say smart because you have to try something else other than bagging groceries. I have no problem helping those who want to get better.
To answer other concers. I am a straight, white american male. I am military so i have all the benefits that say the canadien citizens have (free medicare.,etc..) at around $12,000 annually. Aat one point in my life when my mother was going to night school, we (mother,brother,and I) lived in a one bedroom, $2 a month rent. yes $2 rent. We were on every social program known to man in the mid to late 80's. my mother used that money to support her kids and better herself by going to nightschool. now she is ranked as one of the top 50 trauma nurses in the country and runs her own trauma center in lee county florida. rags to riches, no. Rags to something better, yes.
hard and smart work is the key. try to find ways to better your situation.
As for the white collar work, people lose their jobs when smarter more productive people arrive. It's not downsizing, its money making. You don't get to be ceo without knowing how business works.
Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-01-26 17:45:54 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2004-01-26 17:35:50 EST (#)
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whatever man, you say in your post "FUCK THE POOR"
I'm gonna drop it now.
Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2004-01-26 17:33:59 EST (#)
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Here's the way the replies to this post should have gone:
"Oh yeah, people who don't want to work, fuck 'em. Here's your +2, +1, -2, whatever. Fag."
Instead, I've got people claiming I want people to die in the streets and rot, and this piece of crap post has gone to #1 most heated. You mean to tell me we can't agree that people who sit on their dead asses can go straight to the living hell? Good WORD. I need a beer.
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Thats what you should expect when presenting an opinion... to defend it against those who disagree. If you can't, well, I would think you were just getting up on a soapbox and pushing your beliefs on people.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-26 17:31:17 EST (#)
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Well what do you want me to do, Percy? For crying out loud, we're at 125+ posts, and it doesn't look like anyone spent 30 seconds THINKING about what I wrote. I'm at the end of my rope by now. I have dumbasses like "U R A FAG" and such. The title of the post is not the body, any more than the title of a book is the literary work.
Submitted by shhhush <ilovepoorpeople.at.aol.com> at 2004-01-26 17:30:30 EST (#)
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you r so right. you have opened my eyes...its all my fault. I'm flushing my smack and my baby down the toilet just for you and i'm gonna take that job cleaning up people's runny, soul-retching shit. i'm gonna quit my damn whining, thank you for your wisdom and be on my way to the American dream and beyond...
you should write a book.
Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2004-01-26 17:26:18 EST (#)
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Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-26 16:41:01 (#)
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Percy: You should be lambasting those who refuse to earn their own keep when they are perfectly able to.
THAT'S THE PEOPLE I'M TALKING ABOUT, YOU POMPOUS STUCKUP GIANT TWERP, SCUMBAG FUCKFACE DICKHEAD ASSHOLE!!! IT'S WHAT THE WHOLE ARTICLE IS ABOUT! Get back to your popup books if you can't rise to the the comprehension, for crying out loud!
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Well, to quote yourself "FUCK THE POOR". This does NOT state "FUCK THOSE WHO REFUSE TO WORK AND INSTEAD CHOOSE TO LEACH OFF OF ME AND OTHER SELF TAUGHT HARDWORKING RED BLOODED AMERICANS". Although I agree that the second statement is closer to the underlying message of your post, you chose to communicate the first numerous times throughout your post.
Two thumbs up for insulting me AOL style, by the way. All because I gave you a slightly thought out retort of my own opinion. No, don't try to convince me otherwise, just call me a scumbag fuckface, that will prove your point.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-26 16:54:06 EST (#)
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Here's the way the replies to this post should have gone:
"Oh yeah, people who don't want to work, fuck 'em. Here's your +2, +1, -2, whatever. Fag."
Instead, I've got people claiming I want people to die in the streets and rot, and this piece of crap post has gone to #1 most heated. You mean to tell me we can't agree that people who sit on their dead asses can go straight to the living hell? Good WORD. I need a beer.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-26 16:41:01 EST (#)
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Percy: You should be lambasting those who refuse to earn their own keep when they are perfectly able to.
THAT'S THE PEOPLE I'M TALKING ABOUT, YOU POMPOUS STUCKUP GIANT TWERP, SCUMBAG FUCKFACE DICKHEAD ASSHOLE!!! IT'S WHAT THE WHOLE ARTICLE IS ABOUT! Get back to your popup books if you can't rise to the the comprehension, for crying out loud!
And why the hell is this post #1 for heat? People really, go do something else!
Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2004-01-26 16:25:47 EST (#)
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Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-26 15:04:50 (#)
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How am I PUSHING my beliefs on anyone? If stating my opinions/beliefs is PUSHING my beliefs, than anyone who has ever written a book, filmed a movie, written an editorial, a newpaper column, or the like is the scourge of society as well. You've got me in with Mark Twain, Dickens, and Chaucer. Quite a compliment, if I do say so myself.
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I hardly expect that the only time you bring this 'opinion' out of the deep recesses of your mind is when you post on Ubersite.
Do you have kids? Will you raise them to believe the same bullshit your father taught you?
What happens when a bum comes up and asks you for change? You're probably the type of asshole that screams to him "Get a job, you filth!" without giving a second to think about the circumstances that placed and continue to keep him there.
You write with a conviction that goes beyond a mere "thought sharing", I believe this opinion surfaces in many aspects of your life. Thus, leading you to force this BS on others.
Comparing yourself to those great authors is just as pompous as proclaiming your opinion on this issue as the only one that should count.
Your post just really makes me think that you are defending the image of your hard working father and not thinking for yourself. To categorize "the poor" in the manner as you (and ultimately, your father) have is really quite ignorant, and quite frankly, incorrect. You should be lambasting those who refuse to earn their own keep when they are perfectly able to. You seem to ignore the fact that people sometimes need to rely on others to get by, and not always themselves. Not everyone is capable of that feat.
I really wish you the best of luck when your own strength falters at an inopportune moment and you might need to ask someone for a hand you selfish, ignorant fuck.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-26 15:45:05 EST (#)
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45116-2004Jan24.html
This is the sort of dumbassery I'm talking about people, the ones who disgrace achievement.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-26 15:27:30 EST (#)
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I'll be sure to put my foot right on your tender ballbag, Random.
Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-01-26 15:21:40 EST (#)
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Rise to the top and don't forget to step on everyone you can on the way up. Thank daddy for supporting your ass along the way, you lying piece of shit.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-26 15:04:50 EST (#)
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How am I PUSHING my beliefs on anyone? If stating my opinions/beliefs is PUSHING my beliefs, than anyone who has ever written a book, filmed a movie, written an editorial, a newpaper column, or the like is the scourge of society as well. You've got me in with Mark Twain, Dickens, and Chaucer. Quite a compliment, if I do say so myself.
Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2004-01-26 14:48:17 EST (#)
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Wah! Wah! I wish I was as cool and strong willed as my daddy!
People who push their beliefs on others are the scourge of society, not the poor.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-26 14:37:09 EST (#)
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By the way folks........this post has hit #1 on MOST HEATED.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF UBERSITE, I HAVE ARRIVED!
Thanks for everything Bart. Heineken's are on me if I ever see you.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-26 14:31:33 EST (#)
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Adereterial : Sigh. Tell me, then, where your national health service is, and whether every single American citizen can go to the doctor or the hospital and get medical attention when they need it, not when they can afford it? I can do that. Can you?
Of course, Adereterial. They can go to the emergency room of any public hospital in the nation. If they are sick or injured, the MUST be treated. To refuse them is illegal. If they must phone an ambulance and a private hospital responds, they are obligated to complete a transfer for the patient, regardless of ability to pay.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-26 14:29:05 EST (#)
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WHAM! And NotApologizing hits it dead on! And has some good suggestions how to deal with it to boot! I knew once I cleared out the deadwood like Someone and Guapo I'd hit paydirt.
Loki: I don't know about that. If a person refuses to work, to contribute their efforts, perhaps they should starve. I think of it in the same terms as that one guy, Captain....uh....Asshole, I forget the name. "He who does not work will not eat." And there you go.
Submitted by Adereterial (user info) at 2004-01-26 14:22:31 EST (#)
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'The sick, the infirm, and the mentally handicapped need help, and they're entitled to that, because this is America and we assist our brothers and sisters who need it.'
Sigh. Tell me, then, where your national health service is, and whether every single American citizen can go to the doctor or the hospital and get medical attention when they need it, not when they can afford it? I can do that. Can you?
Tell me how much you pay for prescription drugs, and tell me if it's at all conceivable that the lowest paid people don't take the medication they need because they cannot afford it. Tell me if you'd rather pay the full cost of each drug, or a set standard charge for each item?
Tell me that people who work their arses off to make money for their families are paid enough to live on.
Tell me that those who cannot work or who losr their jobs for damn fault of their own are provided for by the state to whom they paid taxes and social security payments, for the rest of their lives. I am entitled to that. Are you?
Now then, tell me honestly, are your brothers and sisters assisted when they need it, or are they really left to struggle through it alone?
Submitted by NotApologizing (user info) at 2004-01-26 13:35:18 EST (#)
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I'll say it a little differently. The poor are fucking themselves and the rest of us are paying for the abortion.
It's called socialism. It's what the democrats overtly seek. And it's also what the republicans crave, albeit to apply only to the more productive of Americans.
It is almost second nature for this nation's poor to view democrats as the answer. Why? Because they support GIVING things to the poor. What the democrats never say between sentences advocating big government and gifts is anything about turning the poor into the not-poor.
Attention Poor People: You don't need the democrats because you're poor! If you elect them, they will ensure that you remain poor; poor and convinced to keep voting for them.
You don't need to fear republicans either! Do you think our economy grew so fast because of Clinton's great economic leadership? Hell no! He rode the momentum created by Reagan (well, his cabinet anyways) and was lucky enough to be in office when the internet became a legitimate source of American jobs.
I am not telling anyone to vote one way or another. I hate both parties equally. But I ask that the poor and blue-collar workers STOP defaulting to the democrat party. Choose your candidate based on what you know and what they stand for.
My idea: third/independent party for local elections and democrat for state and national. Eventually, the newer parties will filter up to the top. Too many knee-jerk american voters that give their vote to one party or the other. Fucking wake up and stop it.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-01-26 13:02:26 EST (#)
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I think there should be a minimum lifestyle for people who work full time. It saddens me to think that there are people out there who work most likely much harder than I do, but make minimum wage and don't have enough money for proper healthcare and other necessities.
It also saddens me to read about the plant closings that go on here in NC. There are people who have worked for the plants for 30 some years and just like that, they are out of work with no job prospects since the entire town revolves around that one factory - or others that have also closed. I blame NAFTA and all the greedy bastards who close these plants to move them to countries without environmental, worker safety, and labor laws. Not that these are glamour jobs, but good honest work should be rewarded and not just kicked to the curb when it's inconvenient.
I just have to feel good about the fact that the basketball that I bounce off my own damn foot out of bounds at the Y was stitched together by a 7-year-old kid somewhere.
I'm sure there are people out there who abuse the system, the cycle of poverty is a tough one to break out of. Most people only know what they see. I don't think the answer is to just call it Darwinism and let them starve to death.
Besides, we do not need a caste system in this country.
I have not read the replies. We're having an ice storm and being sent home. Ah a hard day of work from 10:30 - 1:00 now THAT's the American way.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-26 12:45:54 EST (#)
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I'm not really bitter, Loki, but I certainly am angry. When I think of the number of men who died to keep this country on the absolute vanguard of freedom and then I see people bitching about how little they have, I really supernova. We ought to demand these people work, even if it means returning to the FDR days of government-based public work projects that will hire anyone who wants a job. That was an absolutely halcyon day for the democrats, a day when they truly deserved to run this country. Nowadays, we have little but schemes to buy votes from both parties, and the money comes out of the pockets of the most productive. Anybody who put in 40 or more hours last week ought to be VERY VERY pissed.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-01-26 12:22:34 EST (#)
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I feel sorry for you. You live in an angry, bitter world.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-26 12:08:53 EST (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2004-01-26 08:34:28 (#)
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Your father got lucky,
Piss off you rat fuck. My father worked his whole life and made it through his own efforts to better himself. For the rest of you who think that putting in 16 hour days at Kroger's bagging groceries like Someone does is proof that work doesn't get you ahead, I got news for you: you're wrong. Go pickup your check you half-a-fag.
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2004-01-26 11:11:50 EST (#)
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""Submitted by SammySam (user info) at 2004-01-26 01:26:41 (#)
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Anybody who disagrees with you is one of these people:
"They use drugs recreationally that harm their health.
They have children out of wedlock which they cannot support.
They spend rather than save.
They look to others rather than themselves.
They cultivate weakness, rather than strength.
They nurture dependence, not self-reliance.""
i drink a lot, don't have children, i do have savings and manage to have plenty of money for entertainment. i've been supporting myself for over 10 years, and in fact supported someone else for most of 5 years. and i'm not poor. i disagree with him, so i guess that makes you WRONG ahhahahaha.
Submitted by whataefag (user info) at 2004-01-26 11:01:36 EST (#)
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What's the difference between FUCK the poor and fuck the poor? Oh yah, one moron who's probably never been poor. Souchbag.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2004-01-26 08:34:28 EST (#)
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"My father was the son of a seamstress and a truck driver - he now is an executive at IBM."
Oh, you've obviously had first hand experiance of poverty or coming from a disadvantaged background don't you. You really know what the fuck you are talking about.
Your father got lucky, I'm sure he worked hard to get where he is, but there are plenty of people who work hard, and they ain't all rich like your pa, I'm not saying the majority of the poor are hard workers but if you think every 'poor person' is there through fault of there own, then you can just go and not care what I think because I'm just another sponging poor person aren't I, well piss off you arragont americanised shit.
Submitted by seanfogy (user info) at 2004-01-26 07:19:50 EST (#)
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Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 23:49:34 (#)
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Yes, Zeccs, not everyone can be RICH, but (with the exceptions I've noted) everyone can have a very fine standard of living, better than just about anywhere in the world.
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Man, I wish I would have kept up with this post earlier.
I just found this kinda funny, because in order to have a better standard of living than most people in the world, all you need is a small house (maybe even a 1 bedroom apt.) and some clothes on your back. Maybe some extra socks. I dont want to sound like I'm slamming America, because I love this country, but even those under the poverty line here in the USA are super rich in comparison to most of the world.
Not meaning to change the subject here or anything, but when it comes to most of the world... those who have shit are super fucking rich, and those who are poor are dirt, mud and shit poor. Like a buddy of mine who just came back from Quatar said that you'd see Lamborghinis sitting on the side of the road, abandoned just because a light would come on in the dashboard. Right next to it, would be some fucking homeless guy trying to bum some food.
We got it good in America. The majority of the "poor" really arent that poor. Theyre still alive. They just cant buy shit. Rarely do you see someone die of starvation or dehydration.
Submitted by usa suck <usa.at.sucks.com> at 2004-01-26 03:58:14 EST (#)
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America sucks shit
Submitted by TheRef (user info) at 2004-01-26 01:55:02 EST (#)
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Submitted by Murphy1844 (user info) at 2004-01-25 23:11:25 (#)
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Most homeless people have a mental disorder of some kind. OHHHHHHH but I don't expect you to take the EFFORT to put yourself in someone else's shoes. You see, you were able to write this post and communicate with people-- I'm sure you, as well as most of us, take that for granted and just assume the rest of the world is like that. Sad news: It's not.
This is the kind of one-sided bullshit that really pisses me off. Let me guess: You're a straight white middle-income male?
AM I RIGHT?
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"Nobody who is of sound mind and body in this country has to be poor, end of story"
i believe he addressed the issue you are trying to bring up murph. Try to actually read the whole post, contemplate, then read again. He made it clear that retards need help.
what the fuck does he being straight or not have to do with anything? Are you putting your loose ass up on a pedestal? Also if you read any of the reviews which have alot more interesting stuff than the actual post, he goes on to explain that he is a middle income male.
I understand that this site is all about speaking your mind, but save the stupid shit for shitpost friday. This is actually a well written and intelligent post (wether you agree with it or not) and it deserves a better reply than the crap you just came up with.
Submitted by SammySam (user info) at 2004-01-26 01:26:41 EST (#)
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Anybody who disagrees with you is one of these people:
"They use drugs recreationally that harm their health.
They have children out of wedlock which they cannot support.
They spend rather than save.
They look to others rather than themselves.
They cultivate weakness, rather than strength.
They nurture dependence, not self-reliance.
For all these reasons, and so many, many more, given this absolutely incredible country where there are no limits except the self-imposed, I say to you all with no regret in my heart: "
And they are mad because you pointed out WHY they are poor and they are not secure enough with themselves to admit that they are lazy fucks. I've been workin my ass off since I was 14 years old and I still haven't got the job I've been working towards. But the money that I've made along the stepping stones of my journey reflects the amount of hard work and dedication that I've put into it. Within the next 9 months to a year I'll be making 6 figures have some of the best benefits in the country and be able to retire at 95% when I'm 55 (probably 50 when that time comes), all while only working 10 days a month. You know why? because I work like a fuckin dog, I train like a fuckin athlete, and I learn like a fuckin scholar. While not my ultimate goal, I've already got the possition to prove it.
Submitted by Rokinroj (user info) at 2004-01-26 01:23:34 EST (#)
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For the people who choose laziness, drugs, etc, and blow off opportunity, ya you're right fuck them!
But if you can't see that success is the child of opportunity than you are far more retarded than you have portrayed yourself here.
Rokinroj
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 23:49:34 EST (#)
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Yes, Zeccs, not everyone can be RICH, but (with the exceptions I've noted) everyone can have a very fine standard of living, better than just about anywhere in the world.
Submitted by Zeccs (user info) at 2004-01-25 23:46:56 EST (#)
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Great for your daddy, but it's impossible for everyone to be rich, you realize that right? Our country couldn't support itself if were all CEOs and doctors.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 23:40:26 EST (#)
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You forgot one thing Someone: NOT bagging groceries. Double paper please.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 23:39:28 EST (#)
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Murphy: What does straight or white have to do with it? I suppose I'm technically UPPER middle income (roughly $70k). Among my friends are Hispanics and a Lebanese immigrant, all of which make even more than I do (the bastards). I'll never deny that racism is certainly a factor, and that it must be actively battled. About 80% of the problems in the black community though are due to a destruction of the black family, not racism. When you count that 2 in 3 of black children are born out of wedlock, you have a fine recipe for rampant poverty.
The thrust of this entire thread has been basically this: Walk the straight and narrow and you will drastically increase your chances for success. For those upon whom catastrophe falls, we will lend a helping hand. All others will have to bear the consequences of bad choices, black, white, or otherwise.
Submitted by someone (user info) at 2004-01-25 23:36:41 EST (#)
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"You're a straight white middle-income male?"-Murphy
Twenty bucks says this statement is true.
Submitted by brad <genocide98.at.hotmail.com> at 2004-01-25 23:21:01 EST (#)
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Man you hit the nail right on the head. People are fucked because they fuck themselves. Fucking brilliant.
Submitted by Murphy1844 (user info) at 2004-01-25 23:11:25 EST (#)
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Most homeless people have a mental disorder of some kind. OHHHHHHH but I don't expect you to take the EFFORT to put yourself in someone else's shoes. You see, you were able to write this post and communicate with people-- I'm sure you, as well as most of us, take that for granted and just assume the rest of the world is like that. Sad news: It's not.
This is the kind of one-sided bullshit that really pisses me off. Let me guess: You're a straight white middle-income male?
AM I RIGHT?
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2004-01-25 23:09:48 EST (#)
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""Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 22:58:53 (#)
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Whew, thank Christ, finally some intelligence in the replies. I realize that everything is not as cut and dried, black and white as: the people who work and the lazy bastards. But if everyone who actually was capable did more than just collect their checks each month, we'd have nearly perpetual full employment, a lot more productivity, and a lot less whining. Thanks for contributing!""
what fucking fantasy world do you live in? most people who are poor ARE employed jackass. and there will never be any such thing as "nearly perpetual full employment". do you even fucking understand economics?
and make that 32 of 95 now. good job buddy!
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2004-01-25 23:06:27 EST (#)
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""Submitted by Teddy at 2004-01-25 21:41:28 (#)
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Guapo, you're a moron. "Not everyone can go to college." Ever heard of community colleges, pell grants, and/or Affirmative Action? And the guy isn't saying that all people that use drugs are poor, he's saying that all the poor use drugs, there's a difference. If any of those drunken bums decided they wanted to get an apartment and a job they could.""
ahahahah, ALL poor people use drugs? every single one of them? and you know this for a fact?!?! ahahahahahah!!!! that was so fucking idiotic i think i lost an IQ point from reading it! and i tried to get grants and scholarships, but couldn't. i could have taken out loans but i paid out of pocket instead.
""They could go to a shelter til they got back on their feet. They could get a job at McDonald's til they saved enough money for a Section 8 apartment. They could keep on working their way up the ladder. You, sir, are ignorant to say that the homeless aren't where they are because they choose to be, obviously you've lived in your sub-urbs 3rd person view for too long.""
well, you are obviously a complete idiot because we aren't talking about homeless people we're talking about the guy flippin burgers and McDonald's. and i don't live in the suburbs you dipshit.
""Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 19:40:07 (#)
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throbgod13: This reply was a riot! I enjoy nothing more than you and guys like Guapo:
"U r an assholl n i hate u n ur stupid famlee."
You, Someone, and Guapo can shove it sideways, because I'm still right. Now what do you yellow sons of bitches think about that? Oh, let me guess, I'm an asshole? Hee hee! Keep it coming, but don't forget to change your droolpan.""
claiming you;re right and proving you're right are two different things. of course, you're only doing this for attention anyway. 31 of 93 replies, all from you.........
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 22:58:53 EST (#)
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Whew, thank Christ, finally some intelligence in the replies. I realize that everything is not as cut and dried, black and white as: the people who work and the lazy bastards. But if everyone who actually was capable did more than just collect their checks each month, we'd have nearly perpetual full employment, a lot more productivity, and a lot less whining. Thanks for contributing!
Submitted by seanfogy (user info) at 2004-01-25 22:12:53 EST (#)
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Although you make some good points, the world isnt as black and white as you think. Different people have different situations. Granted, some people are juts fucking lazy and dont give a shit, but its not easy to dig out of a rut.
You have the people who get laid off, and get nothing in return. Take my dad for instance. He worked for an airline for 29 years. Got laid off with no pension, no health insurance, no nothing.
You have kids who were birthed by a mother who couldnt afford to take care of them. As soon as theyre of age to work, they have to quit school, and do just work. Some are forced to give all their money to their family just to stay alive.
The different situations are endless.
I didnt read through the replies because there are almost 100 of them, and I dont know how this post has evolved, so this is just in reply to the original post.
Submitted by virgil (user info) at 2004-01-25 22:07:37 EST (#)
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wow this thread got fun. Jumping right back in...
And the US workers thing- everyone's sort of right. Americans work more than any other country that I can think of, and are more productive on a, say, yearly basis. However, they are not nearly as productive on an hourly\wagerate basis.
And I think you know what we have to blame for that... *cough* boredatwork *cough*
Submitted by Teddy at 2004-01-25 21:41:28 EST (#)
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Guapo, you're a moron. "Not everyone can go to college." Ever heard of community colleges, pell grants, and/or Affirmative Action? And the guy isn't saying that all people that use drugs are poor, he's saying that all the poor use drugs, there's a difference. If any of those drunken bums decided they wanted to get an apartment and a job they could.
They could go to a shelter til they got back on their feet. They could get a job at McDonald's til they saved enough money for a Section 8 apartment. They could keep on working their way up the ladder. You, sir, are ignorant to say that the homeless aren't where they are because they choose to be, obviously you've lived in your sub-urbs 3rd person view for too long.
Submitted by Murphy1844 (user info) at 2004-01-25 21:00:00 EST (#)
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Oh god, and people like you vote.
Submitted by critical_condition (user info) at 2004-01-25 20:28:04 EST (#)
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I agree.
Now I'm going to go fucking kick a puppy and murder a homeless man.
Dipshit.
Submitted by MystiKasT (user info) at 2004-01-25 20:11:09 EST (#)
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the poor are poor because they dont want to do shit
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 19:43:32 EST (#)
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That should read "belief". Another opportunity to tell Guapo he's wrong, I'm right.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 19:42:17 EST (#)
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Of course I don't think that, Death_metal. Let's be very clear about something - I have every believe in helping those who cannot help themselves, who are sick and cannot afford healthcare, or suffer an extended illness, or perhaps have mental problems such as depression. I'm talking about the people who are perfect able and unwilling. And I know that you know the type of people I'm talking about.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 19:40:07 EST (#)
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throbgod13: This reply was a riot! I enjoy nothing more than you and guys like Guapo:
"U r an assholl n i hate u n ur stupid famlee."
You, Someone, and Guapo can shove it sideways, because I'm still right. Now what do you yellow sons of bitches think about that? Oh, let me guess, I'm an asshole? Hee hee! Keep it coming, but don't forget to change your droolpan.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2004-01-25 19:38:00 EST (#)
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HAHAHAHAHAA you just got owned domenad
Are you the same kind of person who thinks people choose to go without healthcare?
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 19:37:45 EST (#)
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Hee hee! Boy have I brought every grocery bagger and Starbucks latte-maker out of the woodwork! This is as entertaining as all get-out, to coin a country phrase! Now I'd just like to make like Vlad Tepes and burn the house down with you in it!
Antluvdog: I am truly sorry about your parents. They are the sort of people that I mentioned, that deserve our support. Everyone knows that an extended illness such as cancer can drain even the most robust savings account. Don't take offense.
Submitted by throbgod13 (user info) at 2004-01-25 19:18:03 EST (#)
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what tripe..
well.. change the laws, and when you are on the shitty end of the stick, we'll see who got their fucking hand out screaming that there isn't any jobs to be had..
and what fucking bullshit that you went to the "library" and gained a job at 33K/year.. i'd be more likely to believe it if you lied your ass off on your resume..
and another complete fucking load of shit, "electrical engineer"..
fuck you and the assholes that "think" that they have risen-above the dirty masses..
your not even an actual elitist..
your the kind of fuckhead that votes republican, because you think that your status will rise with the asswipes in your little circle of people.. i hate the republican ideal, but i do respect the actual republican who really is one..
the most irritating thing is a broke-dick fucking wannabe elitist republican..
it's *almost* as bad as a Black Gay Republican.. what total fucking morons..
Submitted by antluvdog (user info) at 2004-01-25 19:08:45 EST (#)
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My mom and dad: very frugal.
Saved all their money.
Didn't have to pay my tuition (scholarship). No other kids.
Bought a house.
Got lucky in the stock market. Paid off the house.
Getting ready to retire.
Mom got sick. Dad got sick.
Both have healthcare. Had it for years. Never missed a payment. Never missed a payment on ANYTHING.
Their healthcare will run out soon. They're getting ready to lose everything they've ever saved just to buy care and drugs to stay alive. Then they'll probably end up at the vet hospital unless I find a way to grow $100,000 a year out of my ass.
My mom and dad. 64 and 71. Did everything right all their lives. They'll be poor.
Fuck the poor, huh? Fuck my mom and dad? What did they do wrong?
There's nothing I hate more than self-righteous pricks like yourself. My only relief from anger is in knowing that in ten years I'll be watching you wipe off my Porsche at the local car wash.
Do me and everyone else on this site a huge favor: GO FUCK YOURSELF, YOU RAT BASTARD SON OF A BITCH.
And tell your dad to do the same thing.
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2004-01-25 18:50:26 EST (#)
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don't put words in my mouth, dickhole.
i said "by not electing leaders that will make sure they're buddies make more moeny at the expense of everyone else."
that is not a statement about Bush, nor is it an edorsement of any political party. it is a comment that ALL politicians are that way, as far as i've seen.
i didn't vote for Bush.
i didn't vote for Gore.
I only voted for Clinton once when I was 18.
so shut up asshole and don't assume that you can read minds from a few lines of text. and learn how to log in goddammit.
Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-01-25 18:45:01 EST (#)
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Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2004-01-25 18:42:08 (#)
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"by electing leaders that aren't going to ensure that they're buddies aren't making even more money at the expense of everyone else? and fyi, you don't live in a true free market economy. sucks, huh? with that said, our "free-market" economy is much closer to the paper ideal than most other systems. sucks, huh?"
It's technically a mixed economy, yes, I don't see your point. And so your idea of changing the system is getting rid of Bush? Wow, deep. I almost hope he's re-elected.
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2004-01-25 18:42:08 EST (#)
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"Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-01-25 18:19:01 (#)
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Change the system how? The free-market system is the most efficient system we've come across. I rather like how the "Invisible Hand" has been taking care of business."
by electing leaders that aren't going to ensure that they're buddies aren't making even more money at the expense of everyone else? and fyi, you don't live in a true free market economy. sucks, huh? with that said, our "free-market" economy is much closer to the paper ideal than most other systems. sucks, huh?
Submitted by TMA at 2004-01-25 18:30:01 EST (#)
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Virgil?
Frictional unemployment.... what is this Econ-101? i have an MA in Economics dumbass! I realize there is a difference in the living wage and min wage. that's the point of this whole diatribe. Contrary to popular belief, the minimum wage is sufficient as a standard of living. however, Americans, particularly poor Americans, live above their means by engaging in expensive behavior as noted earlier: drinking, drugging, speeding-tickets, producing babies. I for one would be considered poor by most Americans; but I've spent time in 3rd world countries where I learned what it really means to live in poverty ("poor"). The point is that there is nothing wrong with being poor, but we must realize that most poor people remain poor by choice, not because society has made them that way!
Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-01-25 18:19:01 EST (#)
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Change the system how? The free-market system is the most efficient system we've come across. I rather like how the "Invisible Hand" has been taking care of business.
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2004-01-25 18:14:41 EST (#)
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Most of this was utter bullshit, but it was at least an attempt at supporting a claim. I don't have the time, the energy, or the desire to debate my opinion on this matter, so I'll just leave my -1 and go on about my business.
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2004-01-25 18:14:12 EST (#)
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""Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-01-25 18:05:38 (#)
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I don't understand how some people can be so fatalistic about life. If the poor can never, ever, ever improve their economic situation, what do you propose to do about it?""
change the system we live in? that might work huh? ya think? don't forget, there can't be rich if there are no poor. otherwise we'd all be middle class. but don't worry, after another century or so, we'll whittle that pesky middle class down to nothing as we have been doing slowly but surely
Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-01-25 18:05:38 EST (#)
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I liked this post. Maybe it's not all 100% accurate, but life choices do determine your overall socio-economic status. I read a statistic that something like 50% of sons rise one socio-economic class better than their father. Something like one third maintain the same class, and one sixth drop a class.
I'm sure many Uber-Users here grew up fairly well off in middle to upper-middle class families and communities. I have met many people with nearly identical financial situations to mine that have fucked up their own lives through their own stupidity and laziness. Drug use, lack of attention to school work, and shitty attitudes are responsible for poverty, not just economic inequality.
I don't understand how some people can be so fatalistic about life. If the poor can never, ever, ever improve their economic situation, what do you propose to do about it?
Submitted by someone (user info) at 2004-01-25 16:57:32 EST (#)
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"i'd give you credit for even knowing that word, but it's probably sitting there staring at you from your word-of-the-day calendar."
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I'm sorry, I hate to keep building up el_guapo, but that line was about a thousand times
better than "I have a brick wall in the backyard that cares........yadada". Again:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2004-01-25 16:47:09 EST (#)
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"Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 16:14:02 (#)
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Someone: You had SO much to do that you went to do it and came RIGHT BACK here to post when you said you wouldn't anymore. Maybe controlling was the wrong word. Predictable, that's it. Like a friggin' clock, you people. I'm done with you and your sycophantic friend, Guapo."
don't use words when you don't know what they mean.
syc·o·phant ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sk-fnt, sk-)
n.
A servile self-seeker who attempts to win favor by flattering influential people.
and whom am I attempting to curry favor with, O Enlightened One? everything I've commented has thus far been directed at you, and as we can all see none of it was flattery.
i'd give you credit for even knowing that word, but it's probably sitting there staring at you from your word-of-the-day calendar.
Submitted by your a FOOL at 2004-01-25 16:30:38 EST (#)
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your a prime candidate for manditory sterilisation based on IQ
Submitted by Ingsoc (user info) at 2004-01-25 16:30:08 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2004-01-25 16:20:18 EST (#)
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at least you read the first sentence of my comment, haha.
context, context, context son.
you must have accidentally only copied the first sentence and missed the rest of that comment. what i was getting at is that insults without any facts or real opinion for your side is childish. yes, i called you an idiot, and I went on to point out WHY you are an idiot. you just spew insults when people disagree with you, instead of actually supporting your position.
you are a waste of space, but at least you're entertaining me while i'm bored haha.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 16:14:02 EST (#)
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Someone: You had SO much to do that you went to do it and came RIGHT BACK here to post when you said you wouldn't anymore. Maybe controlling was the wrong word. Predictable, that's it. Like a friggin' clock, you people. I'm done with you and your sycophantic friend, Guapo.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 16:12:25 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Guapo: 3. attempting to belittle someone as "beneath you" does not equate to a good argument. if your argument had a leg to stand on, you wouldn't need to try childish antics like that. try and stick with facts, and aside from that, think about what the fuck you're talking about before you post. there are plenty of people on here with opinions and ideals diametrically opposed to mine, but we can still have a GROWN UP discussion without resorting to insults. so leave the kiddie pool mentality behind if you want to play with the big kids."
Guapo, here's the VERY first thing you posted as a reply:
"You idiot."
Boy is that an argument! I can have a grown up discussion with that all day! I mean, I hear on on the McLaughlin group constantly:
"Well I just think Israel has to depose Arafat before the Oslo Accords are implemented."
"You idiot."
Get the hell out of here you pseudo-intellectual.
Submitted by LacyFace16 (user info) at 2004-01-25 16:07:45 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
i'm just gonna but in here in the midst of this highly entertaining argument to say this...
in response to your comment:
"Nothing could be further from the truth Guapo. On the contrary, Americans work more hours than ANYONE ON THE GLOBE. The American worker is the most productive worker in the world, producing more in a year than anyone else."
how can Americans be the most hardworking productive human beings when we (myself included) are sitting in front of our computers while AT WORK...not working by the way....so we can read and rant on this website?!?
as for the rest of your post, i truly found it worth reading which is why i gave you a 0, but you are bitching at people for disagreeing with you. Everyone is entitled to an opinion...much like you gave yours in this post
Submitted by someone (user info) at 2004-01-25 15:57:16 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
"Controlling you myrmidons is just too easy"
Umm, controlling? This is a web site dude, if you want to sit behind your chair
fantasing about "controlling" us and forcing us to do your will, then go for it.
I give this website as much time as a casual activity, if you consider that controlling
then congrads, you have redefined the word.
Submitted by someone (user info) at 2004-01-25 15:54:18 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
"1. insults do not equal facts. if you resort to insults instead of backing up your argument with fact, you look like an idiot. you're quite comfortable with this it appears.
2. claiming repeatedly that you don't care what someone thinks yet constantly reply to them shows that you DO, in fact, care.
3. attempting to belittle someone as "beneath you" does not equate to a good argument. if your argument had a leg to stand on, you wouldn't need to try childish antics like that. try and stick with facts, and aside from that, think about what the fuck you're talking about before you post. there are plenty of people on here with opinions and ideals diametrically opposed to mine, but we can still have a GROWN UP discussion without resorting to insults. so leave the kiddie pool mentality behind if you want to play with the big kids."
Exactly, and by the way domenad, i wasn't "lurking" on this shit post. I actually had other
things to do, im sorry that my undivided attention wasnt focused on you.
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2004-01-25 15:51:35 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
i'm ashamed that i had a part in putting this post on the most heated.
congratulations, that's what you wanted anyway.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 15:51:08 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Someone: I'm not interested in the opinions of dumbasses. Reading the way Guapo reviewed some other posts showed me he's a little punk. Same as you have. I've no interest in dealing with half-asses such as you or Guapo except for when I need my groceries bagged or my coffee brewed.
Hehehe, you were sitting there reading it all, getting pissed, and finally you're back. You can't resist it. Controlling you myrmidons is just too easy. YOu might as well have an ON/OFF switch.
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2004-01-25 15:47:50 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
""Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 15:31:43 (#)
Ranking: 0
God you're so dumb I don't know how you figured out how to breathe.
You see that little series that says "per person"? That means we're not talking about sheer numbers. American workers do not produce as much per hour as some other countries due to diminishing marginal utility (look that up). ""
that's what i just said you fucking idiot. i'm sorry you couldn't figure out what those words mean, but that isn't my fault.
"How can you be so dumb that you can't even read an article and then write what it says? If you INSIST on being a moron, please, don't bother talking to me anymore. You don't like me and think I'm a dumbass, gotcha. When it comes to debunking any argument that I make, you're out of your league, coffee boy.""
i pasted right from the article chump. and quit trying to insinuate what others do for a living, i'd bet most people with a less that 3000 user ID have far more interesting jobs than you do. here's a few tips, fuckface.
1. insults do not equal facts. if you resort to insults instead of backing up your argument with fact, you look like an idiot. you're quite comfortable with this it appears.
2. claiming repeatedly that you don't care what someone thinks yet constantly reply to them shows that you DO, in fact, care.
3. attempting to belittle someone as "beneath you" does not equate to a good argument. if your argument had a leg to stand on, you wouldn't need to try childish antics like that. try and stick with facts, and aside from that, think about what the fuck you're talking about before you post. there are plenty of people on here with opinions and ideals diametrically opposed to mine, but we can still have a GROWN UP discussion without resorting to insults. so leave the kiddie pool mentality behind if you want to play with the big kids.
Submitted by someone (user info) at 2004-01-25 15:44:31 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
I wasn't going to reply to this trash anymore, but after seeing this line:
"Jesus, I just read some of your other reviews.
Don't EVER talk to me again. My writings are not
for they of the open head-wound, such as yourself."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
How fucking stupid are you? I mean really. This has got to be the most childish
line i've ever read in my brief history of ubersite. Also, i've never read any of
your other posts, just looked at average reviews, so i wasnt kissing your ass, bitch.
Every reply you make makes you look more stupid and more ignorant of the facts around
you.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 15:44:27 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Very true, bargled my friend. Virgil had a few ideas put out there. But nobody will address this problem - it's too hot politically. Same goes with illegal immigration - nobody can touch it for fear they'll get burned.
Submitted by bargled (user info) at 2004-01-25 15:41:16 EST (#)
Ranking: 1
+1 for the entertainment.
But seriously, what we need to do is stop complaining and get a solution to the problem - as in a hand up, not a hand out.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 15:33:55 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Jesus, I just read some of your other reviews. Don't EVER talk to me again. My writings are not for they of the open head-wound, such as yourself.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 15:31:43 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
God you're so dumb I don't know how you figured out how to breathe.
You see that little series that says "per person"? That means we're not talking about sheer numbers. American workers do not produce as much per hour as some other countries due to diminishing marginal utility (look that up). How can you be so dumb that you can't even read an article and then write what it says? If you INSIST on being a moron, please, don't bother talking to me anymore. You don't like me and think I'm a dumbass, gotcha. When it comes to debunking any argument that I make, you're out of your league, coffee boy.
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2004-01-25 15:25:37 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
you see son, there's this thing called context......quoting the one line that supports the crap coming from your keyboard is called "out of context".
then they continue:
""But we're not the most efficient, when you compare it per hour, looking at the Belgians and the French."
It seems almost cruel to mention this to our Stateside readers on Labor Day weekend, but Johnson says the Europeans' comparatively long vacations -- four to six weeks per worker -- may have something to do with this. "Maybe they're not so stressed" as American workers, who on the average may get two weeks' vacation."
ok, so we are "more productive" because of sheer numbers. which would you rather, if you had two choices for the engine in your car? both engines have roughly the same performance, but one of the two gets worse gas mileage? which one do you pick?
what they're saying, since you missed it, is that american workers are so inefficient that we need to make them work more hours to compete. and they're right on the money there too. i bet if we worked less and had more time off, we probably would be more efficient and things would relatively be the same. imagine that.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 15:19:27 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
"Key Indicators of the Labor Market 2001-2002" study -- also says American workers are, per person, more productive than their counterparts in other countries"
In your face Guapo, Digsy. Thanks for demonstrating the caliber of dumbasses I'm dealing with.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 15:17:48 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Check the links below Guapo. When you're done feeling stupid, give me a call.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 15:17:15 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Really Digsy? What do you disagree with? I didn't get this out of my anal bookstore:
http://physicsweb.org/article/news/2/1/19
http://www.cnn.com/2001/CAREER/trends/08/30/ilo.study/
Americans work more than any other country and are the most productive. Their average productivity is somewhat lower due to diminishing marginal utility, but they are nevertheless the most productive per person.
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2004-01-25 15:16:22 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
""Submitted by digsy (user info) at 2004-01-25 15:11:56 (#)
Ranking: -1
I sort of agreed with you until I saw this:
"Nothing could be further from the truth Guapo. On the contrary, Americans work more hours than ANYONE ON THE GLOBE. The American worker is the most productive worker in the world, producing more in a year than anyone else."
Really, just stop."""
hahahah, what's even funnier is that despite the longer hours and such, there's no concrete evidence that the american worker is more productive. in fact, there is a lot to say that we are no more productive than many europeans who never work overtime, take two hour lunches, and get 4 weeks of vacation a year. wonk wonk.
Submitted by loki at 2004-01-25 15:12:34 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
I'm poor do you want to fuck me? I'm a cheap whore and I need the money.
Submitted by digsy (user info) at 2004-01-25 15:11:56 EST (#)
Ranking: -1
I sort of agreed with you until I saw this:
"Nothing could be further from the truth Guapo. On the contrary, Americans work more hours than ANYONE ON THE GLOBE. The American worker is the most productive worker in the world, producing more in a year than anyone else."
Really, just stop.
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2004-01-25 15:05:31 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
"With reasonably good choices, every physically and mentally whole person in America can:
1. Work in the field they want to work in (except perhaps the porn industry)
2. Have a decent standard of living
3. Have a decent retirement
I'm fine with helping along those who want to do better (which is why I give to the Salvation Army). I'm not fine with those who use government to insulate themselves from bad decisions. Boy does that make me a dick, right?"
1. no, they can't. not everyone can have a career in what they really want to do, period. not everyone can even be employed.
2. no, they can't. there aren't enough decent paying jobs out there, there will always be poor people, and there will always be those who live in poverty. you cannot have rich without poor.
3. if you call social security a decent retirement then you're an idiot. that is what most poor americans have in store, a few hundred bucks a month once they're of retirement age.
and since the government is the reason these situations exist, then it is the government's responsibility to make sure every american is provided for. giving to the salvation army doesn't mean shit, aside from the fact that you are slightly more conscientious than the average american. go volunteer your time helping restore houses in poor areas if you want to brag about helping the poor.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 14:48:51 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Wait a minute, you hate me more than any other UberUser, but you read all my posts and like all the others? This is too rich! Owned by a half-ass like you? I think not ace. You have to do better than "Well your a dumbass and you're mean" to own me.
Submitted by someone (user info) at 2004-01-25 14:47:22 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
no thanks, i'm done making you look like a fool. With the help of El_guapo
i think you have been officially owned. No one agrees with you, everyone realizes this
is a poorly done rant with an awful thesis. Except these facts and move on, im done with
you. Also, you've written better stuff in the past, realize this is not one of those posts.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 14:41:18 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Someone: wow, thats original, i bet you stayed up all night jacking off to kiddy porn and thinking
of a shity post and a witty line to say to educated people when they bash your misguided
rants.
Hee hee! Boy does that line show how educated you are! Come on Someone, keep it coming!
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 14:39:44 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Now we're getting somewhere. There's community college. There's below half-time enrollments. There are Pell Grants for the really low income. If you stripped me of every dime and my diploma right now, in less than five years I'd be better than I am now, with a new degree. There's only two possible explanations, and they are mutually exclusive: I'm better than those don't succeed and therefore will always perform better, or they're dropping the ball with poor decisions. Don't denigrate the hard work you've done by embracing these people! You hurt yourself, and you hurt them by coddling their fecklessness! I know your type - you came up hard, you worked hard, and now you want to give something back, and remember where you came from, right? Nobody ever gave you anything. Nobody handed anything to you. I'm not talking about the people who need a hand, who want to work and want to make something of themselves. I support them all the way, with my money as well as my words. But the self-entitled scum in this fabulous country who think they can sit on their dead asses and collect checks, FORGET IT. They can rot.
Submitted by someone (user info) at 2004-01-25 14:38:35 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
"there's a brick wall behind my house that cares more about what you think than I do"
wow, thats original, i bet you stayed up all night jacking off to kiddy porn and thinking
of a shity post and a witty line to say to educated people when they bash your misguided
rants.
"(thats why i give to the Salvation Army)"
Wow, you are such a kind person! In fact, everything i've said thus far has been wrong
about you. You obviously a kind person who cares about bettering society. I apologize.
Fuck that.
Bitch.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 14:32:10 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Nothing could be further from the truth Guapo. On the contrary, Americans work more hours than ANYONE ON THE GLOBE. The American worker is the most productive worker in the world, producing more in a year than anyone else. They're the people I want working for me more than anyone. I'm referring to a segment of the population that takes far more than it gives, consumes more than it produces, leans on the structure of American economic society rather than supporting it. It's precisely because these people are every bit as good as I am that I have such disdain for them. I look down on them because they are equals, in a sense. Do you get it now? Like I said before, ANYONE in this country can get it together and do well for themselves. You don't have to be a millionaire, of course not. I've never suggested that. With reasonably good choices, every physically and mentally whole person in America can:
1. Work in the field they want to work in (except perhaps the porn industry)
2. Have a decent standard of living
3. Have a decent retirement
I'm fine with helping along those who want to do better (which is why I give to the Salvation Army). I'm not fine with those who use government to insulate themselves from bad decisions. Boy does that make me a dick, right?
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2004-01-25 14:32:06 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
"" And if I did it AND you did it (as you've said), you're telling me nobody else can? The ones that can't are unable because they've made bad choices.""
considering that college tuitions are rising far faster than inflation, the fact that the Gov. has slashed financial aid for needy students, it is not easy and may soon acutally become unattainable. working my ass off in college was hard, I almost couldn't do it. i never had money, in fact half the time my bills were late waiting for another paycheck. and i was lucky, i had a somewhat marketable workskill and made decent money, at least decent enough to get by only working 35 hours a week. and the only reason i got that far was because i waited a year after high-school saving money as a cushion for when i started school. a lot of people don't have those opportunities man, that's what I'm saying.
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2004-01-25 14:27:17 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
oh my god i missed a fucking comma! CALL THE FUCKING GRAMMAR POLICE.
get a life. good for you, you're stupid and turned down parental support for college to do it on your own. i didn't have the option of a free ride, buddy. i had the option of going to school and paying out of my pocket, or indebting myself greatly to do so, or just not going to college. my parents didn't have the money to give me. in fact, my parent's have never really had much more moeny than what it took to feed us and put a roof over our heads, and save for their retirement. everything i've ever had since i was 15 years old was provide almost entirely by me. my first car, my clothes, my education. you may pride yourself in turning down money from your folks, but really, that's just stupid.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 14:24:46 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Someone: You are officialy my least favorite uberuser, and you suck at life.
Hahahahah! YEAH! Like I told Guapo, there's a brick wall behind my house that cares more about what you think than I do.
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2004-01-25 14:22:31 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
wow, you act like every poor person in america is on welfare.
you're so heinously wrong it is saddening.
and i don't care if you have 1,000 examples, that still amounts to a miniscule percentage of the american workforce dickhead. you ARE aware that there are nearly 300 MILLION americans, roughly half of which are of age for the workforce, right? i think one of your major malfunctions is that you have no perspective. that and you like regurgitating the same right-wing bullshit fallacies that everyone else does.
Submitted by someone (user info) at 2004-01-25 14:22:26 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
el_guapo: "i don't really care what your life has been like, even if it was rough, you obviously didn't learn anything constructive from it. sounds like all you learned is how to be ignorant and hate blindly."
so true man, this guy is such a typical retard. I can spot a person like this miles away.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 14:22:07 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
as far as your comments about unplanned children.....what do you want, a fucking cookie? a medal? as if people dont know that. my problem is that you make generalizations without really understanding the subject.
That's what I'm talking about - people do know that, and they do it anyway, and expect everyone else to rescue them.
Guapo:get your story straight pal. was it you, your father, or your grandma that managed to beat the system and rise significantly past their parents' socio-economic class? one, two or three? i don't see how you needed scholarships and loans then
You are as poor at understanding as you are at punctuation. I didn't take any money from my family for college - I went out and did it myself. And if I did it AND you did it (as you've said), you're telling me nobody else can? The ones that can't are unable because they've made bad choices. You really aren't offering any argument. All you've said so far is that you don't like me. I have a brick wall behind my house that cares more about what you think than I do.
Submitted by someone (user info) at 2004-01-25 14:20:08 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
"I did it, my father did it, so THEREFORE everyone else can do it"
That is a fallacy "sport" wake the fuck up and realize no one agrees with you.
By the way, i DO work part time at a grocery store, while i finish up my degree with
a MASTERS in business and a MAJOR in english. Two years from now ill make three times
the amount of money you make and you know what ill do with it? Give most of it away
to people who need it, because life is to short to become a money hoarding bitch who thinks
nothing besides material things, apparently you are still in that adolescent stage. Go ahead
make fun of the JOB i have, because that really matters in the grand scheme of life. You are
officialy my least favorite uberuser, and you suck at life.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 14:17:25 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
The first point you've made. True enough, but I'll keep doing my damndest to dodge it as best I can. One day, most certainly not in my lifetime, the people in this country that actually produce will be tired of supporting those who don't. Want to know what will happen then? Read Atlas Shrugged.
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2004-01-25 14:15:52 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
""Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 13:55:52 (#)
Ranking: 0
That's fine Guapo. Never mind that I put MYSELF through college via scholarships and later loans. I'm just a spoiled little rich punk, right? I mean, if I do for myself and want others to do the same, it's because I was always rich and never knew what hardship was, right? Wrong.
As far as being poor and having kids goes, lets make something very clear,something any economist or social scientist will vouch for: Nothing is more likely to condemn a person to povery than a unplanned-for child. Something else of note: higher income demographics have fewer children than lower income demographics. Could it be that they plan their children more carefully, and recognize the sacrifices and costs of raising a child? Oh wait, they probably just want to hoard their millions and not lavish it on some brat, right.
Go get bent Guapo. I'll put my life up against yours any day. What a waste of carbon atoms you are.""
get your story straight pal. was it you, your father, or your grandma that managed to beat the system and rise significantly past their parents' socio-economic class? one, two or three? i don't see how you needed scholarships and loans then. by the way fuckface, i paid for college out of my pocket. imagine how fun that was financially when you bring home roughly $1000/month , paying for books, $1000+ a SEMESTER for tuition, rent, car insurance, etc....
as far as your comments about unplanned children.....what do you want, a fucking cookie? a medal? as if people dont know that. my problem is that you make generalizations without really understanding the subject.
i don't really care what your life has been like, even if it was rough, you obviously didn't learn anything constructive from it. sounds like all you learned is how to be ignorant and hate blindly.
Submitted by someone (user info) at 2004-01-25 14:13:40 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
"IN YOUR OWN SELF INTEREST YOU SELF-RIGHTEOUS FUCK! DO WHAT'S GOOD FOR YOURSELF! YOU IDIOT! HOW HAVE YOU LIVED THIS LONG WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THIS! Five kids on $15k a year is a bad idea! You pile of jelly-like mung masquerading as a human! And you're right, though, you can do whatever you like, you can have 20 kids. BUT DON"T EXPECT ME TO PAY FOR IT, and don't come crying to me, whiny bitch. Get out of the boxcar."
Umm i dont even know what the fuck you are saying in this piss poor rant, but i will say this:
"And you're right, though, you can do whatever you like, you can have 20 kids. BUT DON"T EXPECT ME TO PAY FOR IT"
I'll keep that in mind that you WILL be paying for it, which is the beauty of our government.
Way to show that you know nothing. Ever hear of welfare for people like this, you
dumb shit? You DO pay for it, whether you like to or not.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 14:12:21 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Someone: You ever study logic "sport"? Because this is such a fallacy when you compare it to the rest of your article.
If you knew anything about logic, you'd know that you POINT OUT a fallacy in an argument, which you didn't. Dumbass. Get back to bagging groceries.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 14:10:42 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2004-01-25 13:56:42 (#)
Ranking: -2
Oh yeah a seamstress, boy is that solidly middle class, man oh man. We used to wipe with 1$ bills - it's what the middle class do when they don't have $100 bills. And my father, working for UPS, boy, he was hauling in the dough hand over fist, let me tell you. What a peon you are. I urinate on something more useful than you. I only gave you one example? Okay, here's a few more people who had DICK and spun gold:
Larry Ellison - No college education - CEO Oracle Corporation, 2nd richest man in the world
Michael Dell - founder Dell computer corp - multibillionaire, self-made
Janice Rogers Brown - Daughter of a sharecropper - California apellate court judge
Bill Gates - You know him, you love him, no college degree - richest scumbag anywhere
Bob Diaz - relative of mine by marriage, Cuban immigrant, now multimillionaire
How many more do you want there Guapo? I can do this all day.
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p.s. - i work in an office, dipshit.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 14:04:00 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
To make this brief, who the fuck are you, or the government, to define what exactly we
SHOULD DO??
IN YOUR OWN SELF INTEREST YOU SELF-RIGHTEOUS FUCK! DO WHAT'S GOOD FOR YOURSELF! YOU IDIOT! HOW HAVE YOU LIVED THIS LONG WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THIS! Five kids on $15k a year is a bad idea! You pile of jelly-like mung masquerading as a human! And you're right, though, you can do whatever you like, you can have 20 kids. BUT DON"T EXPECT ME TO PAY FOR IT, and don't come crying to me, whiny bitch. Get out of the boxcar.
Virgil: You made the real point when you asked what to do with people like that. THAT'S how society gets stratified the way it is - if you let the poor suffer the consequences of their actions, then you get a layer at the top of people who work, produce, and make good choices. At the bottom are guys like Guapo. Then you get people complaining about that stratification, as though it were implemented rather than a naturally occurring equilibrium.
Submitted by someone (user info) at 2004-01-25 14:02:45 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
domenad:
"Um, WRONG. My father did it and I did it. My grandmother was a seamstress who now owns two houses and travels the world."
You ever study logic "sport"? Because this is such a fallacy when you compare it to the rest
of your article. Oh man, you cant even argue well, what are you good at?
Submitted by someone (user info) at 2004-01-25 13:57:09 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
"Fuck them hundred_reasons. They don't scare me. They think they're the only ones who can open their mouths and shout loud. They're wrong. There are no heavyweights here or anywhere else that scare me."
Another minus 2 for you after reading this. You really are an ignorant bastard..
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2004-01-25 13:56:42 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
""Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 13:38:28 (#)
Ranking: 0
Jeez Guapo, you got EVERYTHING you wrote wrong. Not just one or two or most, but ALL of them. The most telling of all was this line:
"actually, most people will stay at roughly the same soci-economic class as their parents. why? because that's the way life ACTUALLY works in America"
Um, WRONG. My father did it and I did it. My grandmother was a seamstress who now owns two houses and travels the world. ARe you saying I'm better than everyone else? Maybe better looking, but not plain better. Put down the spatula and the paper hat and go get a real job there, sport.""
hah, i got EVERYTHING wrong yet you have ONE example.....nice. i guess that's a prime example of your amazing work ethic that makes everything possible! So, you did it, and your father did it....and your gramma went from seamstress to dual-household owning, world traveller. so i guess you are a billionaire! i mean, since that sounds pretty upper middle class to begin with (starting with Grandma), then your father must easily have moved into the highest tax bracket....so Mr. Gates can I borrow a few bucks? at the very least you should be a millionaire.........and by no means that being the exception to the rule makes you better, it just makes you lucky. lose the haughty attitude, schmuck, it just makes you look like an asshole that would rather talk shit than be correct........
p.s. - i work in an office, dipshit.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 13:55:52 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
That's fine Guapo. Never mind that I put MYSELF through college via scholarships and later loans. I'm just a spoiled little rich punk, right? I mean, if I do for myself and want others to do the same, it's because I was always rich and never knew what hardship was, right? Wrong.
As far as being poor and having kids goes, lets make something very clear,something any economist or social scientist will vouch for: Nothing is more likely to condemn a person to povery than a unplanned-for child. Something else of note: higher income demographics have fewer children than lower income demographics. Could it be that they plan their children more carefully, and recognize the sacrifices and costs of raising a child? Oh wait, they probably just want to hoard their millions and not lavish it on some brat, right.
Go get bent Guapo. I'll put my life up against yours any day. What a waste of carbon atoms you are.
Submitted by virgil (user info) at 2004-01-25 13:55:42 EST (#)
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Someone below posted better counterpoints than I will, but...
Wrong, TMA, there aren't jobs for all that will pay a 'living wage' (which, no matter what you think, is a lot different than a minimum wage). First, there is always frictional unemployment, in every country- i.e. people who 'want' to work, but cannot find a job (this refers to people that are regularly applying for jobs and are not getting any; additionally, they are filing for unemployment benifits, which means the real unemployment is somewhat higher). It's true that many people are their own problem (i.e. they goof off and don't do work, or are just idiots, etc) but capatalism inherently causes some people to have some serious problems with money because of little fault to themselves. Now, that said, capatalism works much better than socialism in practical terms, but its flaws are the reason that social programs exist.
Now, I think the biggest question is: if some welfare drug addict has 5 kids, what do we as a society do then? Do we let them live in squalor, take them away, pay more welfare, or sterilize her? I don't know the answer to that, although I lean toward the latter.
Submitted by someone (user info) at 2004-01-25 13:54:34 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
i just read el_guapo's replies, and i must say he pretty much summed it all up.
Again, you are a moron(again), money is probably the LEAST important thing in life any
way.
Submitted by someone (user info) at 2004-01-25 13:51:47 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
I'm sure you had at least ONE stable statement in this post, but i stopped reading
after this:
"because they do what they want to do, not what they should do"
To make this brief, who the fuck are you, or the government, to define what exactly we
SHOULD DO?? Are you another brainwashed moron, or have you actually taken the time out
of your life to sit down, look at EVERY persons situation, and then say it is there fault
they are poor? I am extremely confident you are without a doubt a moron, thanks for proving
this.
Also, i am not poor, nor is anyone close to me. However, i have seen much poverty firsthand
through traveling and in some American cities, and i must say, you obviously either dont get
out much or you are oblivious to your surroundings.
My suggestion? Do a little research before you post bullshit like this.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 13:48:46 EST (#)
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Live_for_the_breakdown: WRONG! Not social Darwinism! That would mean that the ones who CAN"T compete got shut out and eliminated. The people I refer to are the ones that DON'T compete. And Darwinism really doesn't apply to economic theory as well as people would think. In a confined ecology, an animal unable to adapt to a selective pressure usually cannot opt to move to one where that pressure becomes an advantage. In the US economic landscape, a laborer can move to any economic "ecology" that suits him/her best. This is not about abandoning those who can't. It's about cutting the dead weight of those who won't.
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2004-01-25 13:48:02 EST (#)
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"1. there aren't enough jobs out there for EVERYONE to not be poor you fucking idiot.
WRONG: there arent enough jobs that people are willing to take out there! --> lazyness and pride
2. not everyone has a chance to go to college.
WRONG: it's called loans and sacrifice. --> be it hard, but not impossible
3. not everyone has skills that will make them more desirable in the work place, nor do they have the chance to learn valuable work skills.
Exactly: drinking and drug use are not skills. --> put down the beer and learn a new skill
4. hard work and frugal spending don't mean shit when your paychecks barely cover food and a roof over your head.
Exactly: dont have kids first of all if you cant afford them. i have lived very happy on mimimum wage for the last 6 years. my apartment costs me 495 a month plus 100 in bills. i dont have kids nor a wife. i also have a decent car and pay insurance. i eat good and i afford entertainment."
dumbass. actually, there aren't even enough jobs for all able bodied people to TAKE, let alone well paying ones.
not everyone can get a loan for college, and getting student loans are NOT necessarily a sounds economic decision. most people i know who have student loans will be paying them off long after I pay off the new car i'm going to buy in a couple months. and they've been paying on them for years now. one of my friend's GF has $90k in student loans. NINETY-FUCKING-THOUSAND DOLLARS. my parent's house didn't even cost that much.
you're answer to #3 was just idiotic, i refuse to dignify it with a response.
as for your comments on #4, why do you assume someone has kids just because they are poor? and this guy's comments were about how everyone can escape being poor via his fantasy world, not whether you can be happy living on minimum wage. with that said, i haven't worked for minimum wage since i was in high school. shit, not even in college.
you all sound like a bunch of spoiled little rich kids who've never had to endure hardship.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 13:45:18 EST (#)
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Virgil: I don't know what lack of economic knowledge you're referring to. I have indeed had to support myself, but never for minimum wage - I developed skills in middle and high school such that I never had to work for minimum wage, so you're correct about that.
Submitted by Live_for_the_breakdown (user info) at 2004-01-25 13:43:47 EST (#)
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Social Darwinism!
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 13:38:28 EST (#)
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Jeez Guapo, you got EVERYTHING you wrote wrong. Not just one or two or most, but ALL of them. The most telling of all was this line:
"actually, most people will stay at roughly the same soci-economic class as their parents. why? because that's the way life ACTUALLY works in America"
Um, WRONG. My father did it and I did it. My grandmother was a seamstress who now owns two houses and travels the world. ARe you saying I'm better than everyone else? Maybe better looking, but not plain better. Put down the spatula and the paper hat and go get a real job there, sport.
Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-01-25 13:37:59 EST (#)
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wait a minute... i'm TMA. i'm supposed to say stupid/funny/retarded shit.
hey Guapo, how bout sucking on my left testi?
Submitted by The.Masked.Assailant (user info) at 2004-01-25 13:34:45 EST (#)
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1. there aren't enough jobs out there for EVERYONE to not be poor you fucking idiot.
WRONG: there arent enough jobs that people are willing to take out there! --> lazyness and pride
2. not everyone has a chance to go to college.
WRONG: it's called loans and sacrifice. --> be it hard, but not impossible
3. not everyone has skills that will make them more desirable in the work place, nor do they have the chance to learn valuable work skills.
Exactly: drinking and drug use are not skills. --> put down the beer and learn a new skill
4. hard work and frugal spending don't mean shit when your paychecks barely cover food and a roof over your head.
Exactly: dont have kids first of all if you cant afford them. i have lived very happy on mimimum wage for the last 6 years. my apartment costs me 495 a month plus 100 in bills. i dont have kids nor a wife. i also have a decent car and pay insurance. i eat good and i afford entertainment.
5. Not everyone has a "shot". Most people have little chance of advancing their positions in life. the ideal that you can become anything you want is more or less a fantasy. sure there are a few examples, but those are certainly the rarity. don't believe me? ok, let me know when you become a billionaire. oh, c'mon, ANYONE CAN BECOME A BILLIONAIRE IF THEY REALLY WANT TO. JUST DON'T BE LAZY AND DON'T DO DRUGS LOLOLOLOL!!!11!1. actually, most people will stay at roughly the same soci-economic class as their parents. why? because that's the way life ACTUALLY works in America.
Okay: i sort of agree with you on this one. BUT this only validates the argument that there are poor people and they are stuck because of their actions and the actions they have learned; not because they try to further themselves.
Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-01-25 13:27:43 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
right again
Submitted by virgil (user info) at 2004-01-25 13:26:28 EST (#)
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I found myself agreeing with some of your points, but your lack of economic knowledge is astounding.
(somehow I doubt you've ever had to work for minimum wage, affording your own room and board, because you've not got the money for college.)
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2004-01-25 13:24:29 EST (#)
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""Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 13:10:13 (#)
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Wrong Guapo - you make your claim financially in this world, you can do whatever you want (within the bounds of the law, of course). You can spend, you can save, you can be a schmuck, whatever, that's up to you, so long as the rest of the guys trying to make a few bucks and have few laughs don't have to pay for it. There's a lot of injustice out there in the world, but here in the US, economic inequality is not one of them - everybody has a shot. You may have to work longer and harder than the next guy, but you'll make out if you make the right decisions. When you get a job, you might realize this.""
heh, i've been employed far longer than you son. maybe when you move outta Mom's house you'll see how life really works. let's list the major fallacies in your comments:
1. there aren't enough jobs out there for EVERYONE to not be poor you fucking idiot.
2. not everyone has a chance to go to college.
3. not everyone has skills that will make them more desirable in the work place, nor do they have the chance to learn valuable work skills.
4. hard work and frugal spending don't mean shit when your paychecks barely cover food and a roof over your head.
5. Not everyone has a "shot". Most people have little chance of advancing their positions in life. the ideal that you can become anything you want is more or less a fantasy. sure there are a few examples, but those are certainly the rarity. don't believe me? ok, let me know when you become a billionaire. oh, c'mon, ANYONE CAN BECOME A BILLIONAIRE IF THEY REALLY WANT TO. JUST DON'T BE LAZY AND DON'T DO DRUGS LOLOLOLOL!!!11!1. actually, most people will stay at roughly the same soci-economic class as their parents. why? because that's the way life ACTUALLY works in America.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 13:19:37 EST (#)
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Submitted by TiTan182 (user info) at 2004-01-25 13:17:46 (#)
Ranking: -2
u are a asshole
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Thank you very much.
Submitted by el_chriso (user info) at 2004-01-25 13:18:17 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Fuck the poor right in the god damn ear.
Submitted by TiTan182 (user info) at 2004-01-25 13:17:46 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
u are a asshole
Submitted by Gillespie (user info) at 2004-01-25 13:14:26 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 13:13:27 EST (#)
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Fuck them hundred_reasons. They don't scare me. They think they're the only ones who can open their mouths and shout loud. They're wrong. There are no heavyweights here or anywhere else that scare me.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-01-25 13:10:13 EST (#)
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Wrong Guapo - you make your claim financially in this world, you can do whatever you want (within the bounds of the law, of course). You can spend, you can save, you can be a schmuck, whatever, that's up to you, so long as the rest of the guys trying to make a few bucks and have few laughs don't have to pay for it. There's a lot of injustice out there in the world, but here in the US, economic inequality is not one of them - everybody has a shot. You may have to work longer and harder than the next guy, but you'll make out if you make the right decisions. When you get a job, you might realize this.
Submitted by UberUser (user info) at 2004-01-25 13:10:05 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
FUCK the poor
Submitted by hundred_reasons (user info) at 2004-01-25 13:06:01 EST (#)
Ranking: 1
I'm sure there is loads of places that you can go to, and say that and never come back out.
Brave for saying your mind, stupid to include your email address.
Submitted by El_Guapo (user info) at 2004-01-25 13:04:50 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
you idiot
"They use drugs recreationally that harm their health.
They have children out of wedlock which they cannot support.
They spend rather than save.
They look to others rather than themselves.
They cultivate weakness, rather than strength.
They nurture dependence, not self-reliance."
these traits show in many people, regardless of socio-economic class, dumbfuck. the rest of your rambling was pretty much just as retarded, but that was the icing on the cake.