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Submitted by Glam Daddy (View user info) at 2004-02-11 16:22:00 EST
Why is Bush seem so immune to scandal? His administration has seen moe scandals than any other I can think of. He talks of bringing us peace and then attacks 2 countries. He talks of improving the economy and in reality there has been more job loss under him than any other president ( http://www.jordansplace.net/politics/images/sc_bushjobs.jpg )
He talks of improving economy and job creation but it is all double speak. To make up for the three million private-sector jobs that have been lost on President Bush's watch, the economy would have to create 226,000 jobs a month through the end of his term. Last month, the economy created only 1,000 new jobs. That's not good enough. ( http://www.jordansplace.net/politics/images/screwed_jobs.jpg )
He talk of our wonderful military yet mother are buying and sending troops armor vests because the military wont buy them, and he cuts troops pay as well. The white house talks of the horrors of 911 day in and day out then turns around and refuses to so-operate with the 9-11 investigation. Why? What's to hide?
The Bush administration has people giving names of CIA agents. That's treason. Yet nobody seems to care. Republicans are doing their best to implement a computer voting system that has been proven easy to hack and they refuse to make a verifiable paper trail? Bush has a teflon coated get out of jail free card.
Where do I get one?
Free SPeech Zone
http://www.jordansplace.net/politics/politics.html
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Submitted by Judoka (user info) at 2004-02-20 17:57:42 EST (#)
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loki-**Then there is this point, if someone is so irresponsible to just fuck some random dick and get pregnant then that person is the last person on earth who should be entrusted with a child.**
Quatermain-That still doesn't justify killing an innocent because you(not you-Loki, just you-in general) have poor decision making skills. You don't want it, feel like you can take care it, give it up for adoption. There is an actual black market in adoptions in this country because people who want children can't have them. I'm sure with a minimum of effort a couple could be found that would be only too happy to pay your bills for you to have this child.
Healthy white kids only. There is a surplus of black, latino, and handicapped children who are languishing in orphanages because to adopt them would be more trouble than most would be willing to deal with. When you advance this argument you look like a jackass who is just parroting the anti choice crowds worn out arguments.
Submitted by Quartermain (user info) at 2004-02-18 19:28:40 EST (#)
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**There are complexities at play here that you cannot possibly understand**
Its not complex at all. In the end, it comes down to whether you're willing to be responsible and accept the consequences of your actions or whether you're willing to let someone else die to fix your 'mistake.'
If you are unwilling or unable to face the consequences of an activity, you should refrain from participating in that activity.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-02-18 15:47:24 EST (#)
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That is a ridiculous leap in logic and you know it. People sign up for the military, I accepted this job. It was my decision to work here. It is my decision every day to come here versus making a run for it. Now if someone came to my home, dragged me out of the house and then stood over me with a gun making me work you'd be a bit closer to the idea of personal liberty.
Why don't you just make a commitment not to ever have an abortion - oh wait that's right this issue has nothing on you.
Tell ya what, you tell me from personal experience what it's like to be a college sophomore and stay up all night worrying because you think you may be pregnant and don't know what to do and I'll let you have a voice on this.
Until then, stay out of it. There are complexities at play here that you cannot possibly understand which is why this is a personal matter and should not be something decided by the courts. Note by "courts" I mean a bunch of white men with some kind of sick god complex.
Submitted by Quartermain (user info) at 2004-02-18 13:47:16 EST (#)
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**It must be nice to live in a fantasy world where no one makes any mistakes or has any problems.**
That would be nice. You find one you let me know.
**Then there is this point, if someone is so irresponsible to just fuck some random dick and get pregnant then that person is the last person on earth who should be entrusted with a child.**
That still doesn't justify killing an innocent because you(not you-Loki, just you-in general) have poor decision making skills. You don't want it, feel like you can take care it, give it up for adoption. There is an actual black market in adoptions in this country because people who want children can't have them. I'm sure with a minimum of effort a couple could be found that would be only too happy to pay your bills for you to have this child.
**you should also have total control over your own body.**
There are all kinds of people who don't have control over their own bodies. Everyone who is in the military. Or who just has a job, for instance. Loki, if you had total control over your own body, you'd be on the beach or in the mountains right now, and not in a cubicle arguing with me.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-02-18 13:29:04 EST (#)
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It must be nice to live in a fantasy world where no one makes any mistakes or has any problems. Our here in the real world, things happen and life is not so simple. Children are a gift and not a punishment. About half of the anti-choice arguments I have heard involve the argument of "this could have been prevented". Hmm, perhaps but there is rape, broken condoms, even birth control pills are reportedly 99% effective, and let's not forget alcohol or just plain ignorance. The same people who are so vehemently anti-choice also seem to be anti sex education in school and anti handing out condoms.
Then there is this point, if someone is so irresponsible to just fuck some random dick and get pregnant then that person is the last person on earth who should be entrusted with a child.
How many people walk around claiming that you should have to have a license to be a parent? Yup you should and you should also have total control over your own body. Until that fetus is able to survive on it's own it is a part of the woman's body and therefore none of your fucking business. (pardon the pun)
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-02-18 13:18:36 EST (#)
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"Abortion is not a basic human right. You want a choice? There are hundreds of choices you can make about an infinite variety of behaviours before you have to choose whether or not to kill your baby."
i used to be pro-choice, but since i've been at Ubersite, i've seen many good abortion arguments. i tend to agree with Q-man on this. it's very logical to me. if you want a choice, then choose not to get pregnant in the first place. irresponsinility is not a good enough reason to kill a baby. i do, however, still believe in extenuating circumstances, such as rape victims getting pregnant.
Submitted by Quartermain (user info) at 2004-02-18 13:15:04 EST (#)
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Once you get pregnant, it ceases to be just about you. It's not just your body you're dealing with anymore, its someone elses as well.
**that's why you have your own body to play with.**
Growing up, my family was so poor, if I hadn't been born a boy, I'd have had nothing to play with.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-02-18 13:10:04 EST (#)
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Control over one's own body is a basic human right. You don't have to approve of it, that's why you have your own body to play with.
Submitted by Quartermain (user info) at 2004-02-17 20:16:08 EST (#)
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**So essentially you were just shooting off at the mouth when you said that he was as much of a tool as people "claim" Bush is**
No, what I said was that I had neither the time nor the inclination to dig up more evidence than I already had. You asked if I had sources to support my claims that Kerry had taken special interest money and I showed that I did. You never said anything about a sliding scale of amounts.
**a bunch of radical judges hell bent on striping women of their basic human rights end up in higher courts**
No-one is talking about stripping women of their right to vote, own property, work in business, etc. Abortion is not a basic human right. You want a choice? There are hundreds of choices you can make about an infinite variety of behaviours before you have to choose whether or not to kill your baby.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-02-17 16:50:06 EST (#)
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So essentially you were just shooting off at the mouth when you said that he was as much of a tool as people "claim" Bush is. Good to know. Kerry is not the one claiming to be an outsider, that was Dean and Clark. Of course like you said, it makes no difference who the president is. What is the worst thing that could happen, a bunch of radical judges hell bent on striping women of their basic human rights end up in higher courts, more and more jobs get exported overseas while the wealthy end up with huge tax cuts and the country plummets into a bottomless pit of deficits, we declare war on a random country, and Bishop Tutu calls for us to apologize to the world for lying about WMD's, the Whitehouse engages in treasonous outing of operatives and since duck hunting buddies are on the Supreme Court, no one will even know who formulated our energy policy. Jesus christ yes that would be fucking awful.
Submitted by Quartermain (user info) at 2004-02-17 16:39:45 EST (#)
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I'm sure that Kerry has taken more than either 18,000 or 64,000. Like I said, those are just what I dug up in space of ten minutes. I have neither the time nor the inclination to try and track down every contribution or donation or what-have-you that he may have received.
All I'm saying is that he doesn't have a lot of stones to throw about contributions or who's a political insider.
Whichever one does get elected, its not going to be the end of the world. The party that loses will whine and bitch amd moan and somebody who takes all of this way too seriously will predict 'the end of America as we know it' and in another four years, the cycle will start up again and very little will have changed.
I don't know, maybe we should switch to a Parliamentry system.
**Oh and from what I've heard about John Wayne's personal life, he would have supported gay marriages at least.**
See, now you're just being nasty.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-02-17 11:48:55 EST (#)
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You will not find a single candidate in the country who has not taken money from somewhere. That is the evil inherent in the system. Unless you are rich as shit and using all of your own money (in which case I will not trust you anyway) you simply cannot get elected.
What I have heard Kerry say was that he had taken money from individuals but not lobbyist groups. He also said that he has never voted or granted access based on campaign contributions. I find it far more believable that he was not corrupted by that whopping $18,000 that you seem to think is a smoking gun than Bush not being corrupted by the $3.2 MILLION from big oil.
That $640,000 that here again you see as a smoking gun is a little more than what Bush got from Enron alone. Remember "Kenny Boy" who is seems has not actually faced charges? hmmm
If you don't like the fact that it takes money to run a campaign, the question I have is, what little box do you check on that tax return you submit where you have the option of earmarking $3 of your taxes towards public campaign contributions?
Oh and from what I've heard about John Wayne's personal life, he would have supported gay marriages at least.
Submitted by Quartermain (user info) at 2004-02-17 11:37:41 EST (#)
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Thats not all of it, thats just what I found in the space of ten minutes digging on Google and what I figured would get read on a dying thread. There is more, if you care to look for it.
So, much like Glam's defense of Bubba, your defense of Kerry is that he may be a bastard, but at least he's not the biggest bastard? Thats kind of weak. To be honest, the more I pay attention to politics and the more I study it, the more dissatisfied I become with both parties.
I'm tired of the 'lesser of the two evils' method. Someone should raise John Wayne from the dead and have him run. Now that would be a good President.
Submitted by xLisaCatx (user info) at 2004-02-17 11:31:43 EST (#)
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I just wish my interests were special enough to be able to lobby around money like that.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-02-17 10:52:28 EST (#)
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Wow no really that looks like thousands and thousands of dollars. Quick, get the gallows.
That's a shit load of money, except of course in comparison with Dubya's oh $3.2 MILLION from Oil & Gas, $1.4 MILLION from Drug Companies, $8 MILLION from banks and that little $600,000 from Enron. Remember Enron.
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0214c.html
Of course UNLIKE Bush, Kerry personally endorsed that message.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2004-02-17 10:21:59 EST (#)
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Politcians are all tools. End of story. I dont vote, ever. The reason-ones as bad as the other and frankly I dont care.
Submitted by Quartermain (user info) at 2004-02-16 17:44:39 EST (#)
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**Do you have any sources for this or are you just shooting off at the mouth? Prove it, when and for whom did Kerry exchange access for money? **
Kerry, a 19-year veteran of the Senate who fought and won four expensive political campaigns, has received nearly $640,000 from lobbyists, many representing telecommunications and financial companies with business before his committee, according to Federal Election Commission data compiled by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.
"I think it's harder for someone like Kerry to take on" Bush over special interests "because he's taken money . . . from a lot of the same" corporate sectors, added Larry Noble, executive director of the Center for Responsive Politics,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64727-2004Jan30.html?nav=hptop_tb
A Senate colleague was trying to close a loophole that allowed a major insurer to divert millions of federal dollars from the nation's most expensive construction project. John Kerry stepped in and blocked the legislation. Over the next two years, the insurer, American International Group, paid Kerry's way on a trip to Vermont and donated at least $30,000 to a tax-exempt group Kerry used to set up his presidential campaign. Company executives donated $18,000 to his Senate and presidential campaigns...the tale of the Massachusetts senator's 2000 intervention, detailed in documents obtained by The Associated Press...
''The idea that Kerry has not helped or benefited from a specific special interest, which he has said, is utterly absurd," said Charles Lewis, head of the Center for Public Integrity that just published a book on political donations to the presidential candidates.
http://www.salon.com/politics/wire/2004/02/04/kerry/
Yesterday, the Washington Post reported U.S. Senator Kerry has collected more money from special interest lobbyists than any other U.S. Senator in the last 15 years. Today Newsweek reports Kerry met with and personally corresponded with Johnny Chung who later pleaded guilty to illegally funneling money to Kerry's campaign.
http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/003494.html
Kerry said on Jan. 19 that he would "happily release any lobbyist meeting I've ever had," but he has yet to do so.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64727-2004Jan30.html?nav=hptop_tb
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-02-16 10:16:03 EST (#)
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**He is just as much a tool of special interests as people claim Pres. Bush is.**
Do you have any sources for this or are you just shooting off at the mouth? Prove it, when and for whom did Kerry exchange access for money? What special interest groups are involved?
I'm not saying it's not true, but from what I've heard he's taking money from individuals but not provided anything in return which proves nothing except that we need to overhaul the political system so that people can compete for office without having to accept money.
I'd just like to see one case where this has happened since it's being thrown around. Don't forget, you people may not be able to vote yea or nay on this guy in the primary but I can.
Submitted by Quartermain (user info) at 2004-02-16 01:47:45 EST (#)
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I will admit to getting completely shellacked on the whole WMD thing.
I don't know that Kerry is as great and shining a star as he is being painted by the media though. He is just as much a tool of special interests as people claim Pres. Bush is. Plus, the man has waffled so often, you'd think he was Belgian.
I think that alot of the votes he will end up getting will not so much be votes for him as votes against Pres. Bush.
Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-02-15 16:07:27 EST (#)
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Kaelic shut your fucking trap.
Kerry is a piece of shit.
If you disagree eat a dick.
Submitted by Kaelic (user info) at 2004-02-15 10:11:15 EST (#)
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Oh, by the way, fuck you, Trystan. You don't receive a purple heart for "minor wounds", you recieve one for being shot, asshole. You want the President who "flew planes around"? I want the President who did something, other than going AWOL, and coke.
There is nothing more patriotic than taking a stand against something you don't believe in, and Kerry, more than anyone, earned that right. You can be a war hero and take a stand for peace ... that shows more character than anyone I have ever seen run for president.
Submitted by Kaelic (user info) at 2004-02-15 10:00:27 EST (#)
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Thanks for that link, Loki. There's a story on that site that honestly brought tears to my eyes. This is the kind of man I want as my President:
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0117d.html
Not someone who goes AWOL for over a year. Go Kerry!
Submitted by ExplodingGopher (user info) at 2004-02-15 00:34:59 EST (#)
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B-E-A-utiful
Submitted by hinkle (user info) at 2004-02-15 00:27:06 EST (#)
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No comment needed. This post speaks for itself.
Submitted by seansdementia (user info) at 2004-02-15 00:00:18 EST (#)
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he didnt cut our(troop) pay. he gave us MANY raises
Submitted by dude5678 (user info) at 2004-02-14 14:41:33 EST (#)
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lol finally sumtin funny
Submitted by youarsoghey (user info) at 2004-02-13 23:31:06 EST (#)
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I also heard the moon landing was a fake.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-02-13 23:12:45 EST (#)
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I'll see you one veterans group and raise you another: http://www.johnkerry.com/communities/veterans/
Submitted by Trystan <Trystan_Wolf.at.msn.com> at 2004-02-13 19:00:04 EST (#)
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Just because I disagree means I follow Rush and Anne? I don't think so. I like Rush for his comedic look on political news, but I sure as hell don't take his word for anything. As for what I wrote about Kerry's silver star, I heard that from the Vietnam Veterans against Kerry, even saw it in a few news articles where his own crew stated what happened.
Why on earth would you believe a book written from his memoirs? Please, they're going to be glossy. Details that hurt Kerry's image would be left out while other details were changed to make him look good.
Here's the link to Vietnam Veterans against Kerry.
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/page2.html
I'm sure there are many veterans that went to the peace movement, but there's only 1 right now that is running for president based on him being a war hero. It's extremely hypocrital of Kerry to protest the war, then 30 years later focus on him being a war hero in the same war he renounced. He's playing both sides of the fence.
He wants to run on his war record. From what I see of his record, he gets a few bruises then switches sides. Not a quality I want from a president. His record isn't much better than Bush's.
Submitted by glam_daddy (user info) at 2004-02-13 18:05:29 EST (#)
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ok that link judoka posted threw me for a loop.
that is funny shit.
that must really piss the whitehouse off...
Submitted by Judoka (user info) at 2004-02-13 17:53:25 EST (#)
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http://www.whitehouse.org/news/2004/021104.asp
Submitted by glam_daddy (user info) at 2004-02-13 17:40:30 EST (#)
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Doesnt he still have a criminal record? The DUI?
I find it suspicious that GWBush refused a medical exam in the national guard. Those were his coke years.
gotta love bush.
Give me back my pot smokin blojob totin president~!
Submitted by Gent (user info) at 2004-02-13 17:29:27 EST (#)
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One more thing.... George Bush officially had his license number changed in 1995 to 000000005... because in Texas, your criminal record is attached to your drivers license number. But I'm sure he's not trying to hide anything.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-02-13 16:28:23 EST (#)
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You know this AWOL thing sort of explains all of that vacation time he's taken since he became president.
Submitted by Gent (user info) at 2004-02-13 16:21:29 EST (#)
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Oh yeah... the one journalist who was trying to connect the dots with the Bushs and the Bin Ladens (not to mention Bush's arrests and his AWOL from the TANG among all the other Bush family transgresssions) James Hatfield was found dead in his hotel room in 2002.
Submitted by Gent (user info) at 2004-02-13 16:16:26 EST (#)
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I don't think the AWOL case is going away this time. I don't think this would be as big an issue if Bush had not, throughout his tenure, described himself as the "War President". And he also donned the Flyboy Suit... let's not forget that. And the fact that he ran his campaign based on bringing morality back to the White House. But here's an interesting story...
Check out this document released by the White House last week concerning Bush's suspension from the TANG:
http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/grounded.gif
Check out the name under Bush's... James R. Bath. Bath is the guy that was arrested with Bush for cocaine posession back in the 70's. Notice that here, around the same time, they were both grounded for missing their physical. Did they miss it or were they advised to not attend since they would've been caught with their noses in the cockie jar? Interestingly enough, Bath reappears a few years later, when he introduces Bush to the Bin Laden family, who invested in Bush's oil company, Arbusto. Here's a pre-9/11 story... and I think time ran a story about Bath back in 1991. It makes you wonder why the media will file millions of stories about blowjobs and exposed titties, but don't put in the work to connect the dots in matters of National Security:
See: http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Hatfield-R-091901/hatfield-r-091901.html
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-02-13 16:01:00 EST (#)
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HO-LY SHIT
uhhm by "thirty years ago" I meant "seven".
Submitted by seanster (user info) at 2004-02-13 15:44:39 EST (#)
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I get so sick of politics and morons in the news reporting on it. Job loss, blame the president. wars, blame the president. good economy, blame the president.
the fact is that americans can't keep their money in their pockets or at home. Gotta have that new toyota. gotta have that new sony television. send your money outside this country boys, and guess where the jobs go? Companies are seeing competition oversees where skilled labor is cheap, and if they do not harness it, they will lose market share. No market share, no sales, no jobs, anywhere in that company. Sucks, but that is the way it is.
that is a rather shallow assessment, but in all truth, if you can buy something cheaper when comparing two products, which one do you choose? Same goes for business. spend 60K per year on 1 engineer, or for 5 engineers in India. Look at Toyota, they build shit in Texas now since the japanese have done the same with their economy that we do with ours. where do you think all this job loss comes from. It started long before W was at the helm. Was it his fault the economy took a turn for the worse. I think not as it was headed that way when he stepped in. His team has turned it around in record time. let it be. You may hate the deficit, and the fall of the dollar, but bottom line, the so-called surplus in the clinton years was based solely on "capital gains" from markets. Lose the economy, as he did, and you lose the income. But that is all right, the next president can take the blame. Happened to George Sr., and by the time things started turning around, Cigar boy got to drive the wagon.
Vote Kerry in and the economy gets better. Why not give him credit for it. Even though he had nothing to do with it. Keep GW in there, the economy gets better. Bite your lip, but you will have to blame him for it. The blame for the job loss in the US has little to do with the Prez that you elect and more to do with what you spend your money on.
think about it.
Submitted by glam_daddy (user info) at 2004-02-13 14:06:27 EST (#)
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The AWOL issue just took an interesting turn:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4262831
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-02-13 13:21:57 EST (#)
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I've been following this whole AWOL thing with some passing interest and the whole thing seems really bizarre. They put some dental records out there to prove that he was on base. What is that supposed to do really? There are dental records out there that prove that I was in Chapel Hill. So what, it doesn't prove that I went to class. You have to get transcripts for that OR you could just hunt down any one of the countless people who remember me from class, maybe even find a professor or two who could vouch for my presence. I can't believe that they can't find someone who would lie and say they remember him - idiots.
Oh and then they have this payroll record that they are so proud of. So fucking what, he got paid. Here again it still doesn't mean that he was physically there. If anything it sounds even worse that he was on the payroll and didn't show up. There are "jobs" out there like that for college athletes. You hear about them on the news with captions like "X University football program banned from all post season games..."
I think the he used his daddy's influence to get that National Guard duty and then when he was in Alabama working on a political campaign for a buddy of his dad's, strings were pulled and rich boy didn't have to do anything.
I saw some crap on the news last night where some assclown from the Whitehouse, you know the one that was supposed to return credibility back to the office, claim that it would be too vast of a conspiracy to fake those records because there are archives. Hello, dumbfuck, if those records were faked, it happened 30 years ago not last week. Christ are these people really this goddamn stupid?
that was rhetorical
It reminds me of that little survey they did right before the war on Iraq that revealed that no one single member of Congress had a son or daughter serving in the enlisted ranks of any branch of the military.
Oh and Trystan what in the hell is wrong with you? Do you have any idea how many VietNam vets served and then came back and protested the war? It happened all the time, that fucking war is what turned my zoomie father into a hippie. He was against the war because he saw it first hand and knew what it was about. To slight someone's military record because you don't happen to like his politics is bullshit. I don't agree with a great deal that comes out of John McCain but jesus christ on a stick those stories about his life as a POW are chilling. To think that he made it through all of that and was able to put his life back together is impressive no matter what his politics are like.
Submitted by glam_daddy (user info) at 2004-02-13 12:50:47 EST (#)
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dont even get me started on the AWOL issue. Bush is screwed on that one. They are spinning like mad and dodging questions. They can easily clear this up but they dont seem to want to....
heres some good reads:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/02/06/drugs/index_np.html
http://www.calpundit.com/
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/7926412.htm
http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=1254
plenty more here:
http://www.jordansplace.net/politics/politics.html
Submitted by Gent (user info) at 2004-02-13 09:51:42 EST (#)
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Trystan, you are a fool. Instead of believing what Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh tell you about something, do some research for yourself. Read the Atlantic Monthly article that excerpts "Tour of Duty", the book that was compiled using Kerry's journals and letters while serving in Vietnam. Better yet, read the book. The man served as courageously as anyone, more so than most. He was a Yale student when he went to Vietnam... how many Ivy Leaguers volunteered their services during that time... he was unique and brave, unlike our current President, who didn't even have the brains to conscientiously object. Kerry fought bravely even though when he was in Vietnam, he realized the foolishness and useless nature of the conflict. He had every right to object... he saw the attrocities that were taking place... he saw his friends blown apart in front of his eyes. Yet, despite his misgivings, he fought. And then he returned home and, like so many other soldiers, he told the world how terrrible this conflict was... something he had a unique perspective on. To even insinuate that this man served this country with anything but bravery and gallantry, does a disservice to the US armed forces. Don't write your drivel unless you know what you're talking about. I'm not even a Kerry fan, but I know how ignorant your commment is.
Submitted by Trystan (user info) at 2004-02-13 01:31:17 EST (#)
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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/09/international/middleeast/09INTE.html
There is a strong possibility that Al Qaeda was working in Iraq, whether it was known to Saddam or not, there's no concrete proof. The above link is to a NYtimes article saying that they captured a Al Qaeda messenger with a letter from someone suspected of operating in Iraq before the war.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20040210-082910-8424r.htm
As to Bush's service in the National Guard, I think people are being too critical. I read the transcript of the press meeting when the White House released the payroll records, someone mentioned the evasive answers that were given. I think the reporters were just stupid. Some of the questions they were asking were answered, but they kept asking them anyhow since they didn't like the answer.
The above op-ed is from someone who served the National Guard in that timeframe. It does give some insight to it. I have nothing against Bush for the way I see things.
Kerry is playing both sides of the Vietnam War. He pretends to be a war hero, yet as soon as he got back, he flipped and joined the peace movement. There he claimed to have witness many acts of atrocities. Which makes me wonder how many of those he or his crew committed. Afterall, they were on a boat.
His silver star was earned by beaching his boat, the gunner unloading 50 rounds from his gun. Kerry then jumped out of the boat and finished the man off. Doesn't sound like a big hero thing to me. Kerry got transfered out of Vietnam after he received his third purple heart for minor wounds.
In my opinion, I would rather take the guy who risked his life flying airplanes in the National Guard than someone who high-tailed it out of Vietnam under shaky conditions then slandered all of the soldiers he left behind.
Submitted by LexLutherin (user info) at 2004-02-12 23:24:55 EST (#)
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Didn't anyone tell you that saying you disagree with Bush makes you a terrorist?
Submitted by Captain Foamy at 2004-02-12 23:19:38 EST (#)
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Bush also is involved in a fart huffing scandal! He huffs more dude ass than Pee Wee Herman. He also eats M and M's and throws away the brown ones cause he hates niggers. He also has erectile disfunction and blames it on the Arabs. Hitler has erectile disfuction he blamed it on the Jews. Except when hitler killed people he created Jobs! Bush also fucks little kid ass not unlike Michael Jackson. Except when he does it he doesn't give them a lolli pop at the end. Booooooooo Bush. http://www.geocities.com/captain_foamy
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-02-12 17:39:15 EST (#)
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That was from an old post of mine that I didn't feel like linking. Maybe he didn't cut pay, but he cut a lot of programs that were in place for the benefit of the military.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-02-12 17:38:01 EST (#)
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Here is the scenario, you are George W. Bush. You have to make a choice. On the one hand you can restore $1.5 million in budget cuts to military housing, child care centers, and schools. The other option is to reduce the average tax cut to the good citizens on this country who have personal assets in excess of $1 million from $88,326 to $83,546 per year.
What do you do? Here is the military, you've been giving a lot of lip service to the military. They have to date overthrown two countries on your orders and let you do that nifty landing on the USS Abraham Lincoln. You have publicly criticized your predecessor for what you claim was inadequate funding but oh boy on the other hand there are your buddies. Your core nucleus of support, the very people who will write the $2,000 checks to stand around sipping spiked cool-aid and eating hotdogs. What do you do?
Well? Want to hazard a guess? Yes correct, you give your buddies the big tax cut. Yet again, the wealthy friends of Dubbya get the BIG bonus, I get my usual poker hand of 8-9-10-jack-squat, and military families gets LESS money for housing and child care.
Someone please tell me that I'm missing something and that this is a bad dream.
Sources:
http://www.house.gov/budget/milconapprops03.pdf
http://www.house.gov/appropriations_democrats/ImpactAid.pdf
Submitted by glam_daddy (user info) at 2004-02-12 17:30:50 EST (#)
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"**I think Bush and Kay have proved that just fine**
Yeah, I'm going to need more than one sentence and a vague allegation. Support your arguments with actual facts, or did they not teach you that in the Michael Moore School of Deceive, Inveigle, and Obfuscate."
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Dude you pick some strange fights. Are you going to tell me they did find WMD? Do you read the paper? Do you watch the news? Are you even awake? Last I cheked the official WMD search the whitehouse sent out CAME UP EMPTY.
Arms Hunter Kay Says No Stockpiles in Iraq - " I don't think they ever existed" <-- that from the guy BUSH appointed to the task!
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=578&u=/nm/20040123/ts_nm/iraq_usa_weapons_kay_dc&printer=1
More on NO WMD from CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/01/08/sprj.nirq.wmd.report/index.html
Last I checked Saddam did NOT have any connections to Osama. In fact Saddam Osama called Saddam an 'infidel'
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0211-11.htm
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles/Al-Atraqchi_Osama-Saddam.htm
http://www.newsreview.com/issues/sacto/2003-03-13/editorial.asp
In fact officials knew before the war that there was no threat
Senior American officials concluded at the beginning of last May that there were no weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in Iraq.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4849218-110878,00.html
and I am sure you will call all those links crap. bust i picked them from a list of severall hundred. Just do a google on it. When Osama said that it was all over the news, so saying it a lie will make you look stupid. (too late?)
And Powell and Bush BOTH have now admited that there is no Saddam-alqueda link. This also was in the news, which I guess you, in an attempt to emulate bush, dont pay attention to.
9/11 Report: No Iraq Link to al-Qaida
The report of the joint congressional inquiry into the suicide hijackings on Sept. 11, 2001, to be published Thursday, reveals U.S. intelligence had no evidence that the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein was involved in the attacks, or that it had supported al-Qaida, United Press International has learned.
"The report shows there is no link between Iraq and al-Qaida," said a government official who has seen the report.
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030723-064812-9491r
Powell Admits No Hard Proof in Linking Iraq to Al Qaeda
"I have not seen smoking-gun, concrete evidence about the connection," Mr. Powell said, in response to a question at a news conference. "But I think the possibility of such connections did exist, and it was prudent to consider them at the time that we did."
http://www.pipeline.com/~rgibson/powelladmits.html
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Man I almost feel sorry for you quarter. Almost.... You should know I have facts. You asking me to come up with them only makes you look ignorant for not knowing these things. Bush has admited there were no WMD. NO al queda connection. Pay attention. There is still hope for you.
And if you dont like the links I used there are literally thousands more where those came form. Thats because this is common knowledge now. Unless you name is quarterman.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-02-12 17:27:59 EST (#)
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If you are going to go to war, you are the one with the burden of proof. It is not my responsibilty to prove that he did not have WMD, it is Bush's responsibilty to prove that he did.
Prove that Britian does not have WMD's, or Switzerland, or Belieze for that matter.
I volunteer to head down to Belieze and check things out there.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-02-12 17:19:22 EST (#)
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Bush gave me a couple good raises. my military pay is pretty high now. that doesn't mean, however, i think it's a good thing. i was living just fine on the pay i had already. i much rather would have seen that money go to education programs in public schools instead of in my pocket. Presidents need to do what they feel is right to make this country better, not what helps themselves out the most by making the right people happy.
Submitted by Gent (user info) at 2004-02-12 17:01:40 EST (#)
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He didn't cut pay, but he sure as shit did cut out benefits.
http://www.townonline.com/allston/news/local_regional/ab_covabvets04112003.htm
And that is from a conservative newspaper.
He also cut funding on military housing and education on military bases. But let's be honest... what else do you expect from a man that went AWOL during Vietnam. He has no respect for the military. The GOP is actually nervous this time around about a military vote for the Democrats.
Submitted by drink_DDT (user info) at 2004-02-12 16:50:13 EST (#)
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Bush didn't cut troops pay.
Submitted by Quartermain (user info) at 2004-02-12 16:24:46 EST (#)
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**I think Bush and Kay have proved that just fine**
Yeah, I'm going to need more than one sentence and a vague allegation. Support your arguments with actual facts, or did they not teach you that in the Michael Moore School of Deceive, Inveigle, and Obfuscate.
And I believe you were charged to prove three things, not just one.
Submitted by glam_daddy (user info) at 2004-02-12 16:02:45 EST (#)
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"Prove that Sadam didn't have WMD, prove that he was not harboring terrorists, prove that he was not manufacturing biological agents."
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I think Bush and Kay have proved that just fine.
......next?
Submitted by glam_daddy (user info) at 2004-02-12 16:00:54 EST (#)
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Dlove
"Where in all of that was a solution."
OK. My soultion is simply that I honestly believe that if more people were getting certain information in the news that this country would be different. Recently when the white house spokesperson was showing the documents regarding the AWOL issues, the reporters were all over his ass. he kept talking circles, dodging questions and doublespeaking and the reporters werent having it. This is so rare i was so excited to see a small portion of balls returning to these people.
So me getting information out *IS* part of the solution. Ignorant people are more likeley to vote Bush than people who have the facts,
good times...
Submitted by Quartermain (user info) at 2004-02-12 15:53:51 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Yeah, I pointed out your typos. That is because you set yourself up as the one person in America who knows the truth and is doing all he can to thanklessly spread it to the ignorant masses and yet still managed to post something that looks like you typed it with your knuckles.
I also pointed the flaws(and there were many)in your post, but you weren't so quick to jump all over that because the only answer you could muster was 'Well Clinton was bad, but Bush is worse.' Man, I hope you never become a lawyer. I can imagine your defense. 'Your Honour, my client shouldn't be found guilty of rape because the next case on your docket is a murderer.' All you can do is squeal like Ned Beatty in 'Deliverance' about how I'm picking on poor widdle you.
As for your 'quotes', prove it. Prove that Sadam didn't have WMD, prove that he was not harboring terrorists, prove that he was not manufacturing biological agents. Anybody can post accusations on a half-assed website. I could make a website and accuse you of molesting, killing and eating small children, but without proof thats all it is, is accusations.
Hurts don't it...tell your friends.
Submitted by Dlove (user info) at 2004-02-12 15:52:28 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Glam,
Granted, you're putting forth a good effort on getting information out. But you're still not seeing my point. Where in all of that was a solution. Who's your solution to all this? I quickly perused your site, which by the way is a pretty good site. Publishing your truth is always a good thing. But like I was saying, what good is it doing to talk shit about the president and not providing the answer to those problems. Dean? Kerry? Edwards?
You only responded to the first sentence on my response, so how about responding to the rest. Who is your solution? Instead of telling me why Bush is so bad, take some time telling me who is so good?
I don't know about yourself, but negative campaigning pisses me off. I'm open minded most of the time, but when I see negative campaigning to try and make someone else look better I quit listening.
"So the question is not what can I do for my country.... But what are YOU doing?"
I vote every time I get the chance and I'm not complaining about the state of things, so I don't need to spend time researching and bashing democratic candidates.
So not just you glam, but ALL of the people that spend their posts bitching about Bush. It's easy to point the finger and say what's wrong. Any monkey can do that. Prove to everyone else who's RIGHT. Don't point out all the problems and walk away. If you feel so strongly about the state of things and giving people the TRUTH, then offer them salvation from the woeful times.
Submitted by glam_daddy (user info) at 2004-02-12 15:35:32 EST (#)
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"You know, for a change I'd like to see one of the liberal views here post a POSITIVE to try and make a difference. BITCHING about something you can't change at the moment is a great way to go about things, I promise."
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Good point. I am a web designer and graphic designer. I dont just BITCH, I try to spread knowledge. So many ignorant people who arent getting the news right thanks to our chicken shit media. 60% of people polled thought it was saddam who was behind 9-11. The bush administration is DIRECTLY responsible for this.
Back to the point. I AM doing something. I run my own political web page
http://www.jordansplace.net/politics/politics.html
I get maybe 40 hits a day. Not much but i have gotten a about 500 hits since I made the page.
I create graphics for other political web pages such as this one:
http://www.thiscenturysucks.com/
scroll down they are using my bush image and I am making a Tshirt for them as well.
They get about 70 hits a day. More people.....
CLick on my user name. See all those red flags? Those are politics posts. Most of them had time on most heated. 14 political posts. all but one have a positive rating. I would guess from stats that I have about 15,000 hits on the political posts combined. That is getting the message out.
I create graphics likle the one in this post as well as others:
http://www.jordansplace.net/politics/images/yourduty.jpg
More people ....
This help spread a message. To more people.... Other web pages use them. Further spreading the message.
I post political posts on 4 different political message bourds/groups. That reaches several thousand more poeple.......
And yes I vote. As well as provide links on my web page for regestering to vote and contacting local politicians in your area.
So the question is not what can I do for my country.... But what are YOU doing?
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2004-02-12 15:10:52 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
I love this post!
Submitted by Gent (user info) at 2004-02-12 14:54:10 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
http://www.drudgereport.com/mattjk1.htm
Looks like Rove and friends are pulling out their bag o' tricks from '92... it didn't work with Gennifer Flowers and it won't work now. But they had to try something to take some heat away from the AWOLgate that is looming over Bush. They should've researched that story back in 2000, and then maybe we wouldn't be in this mess. And now, as reactionary republican (and homosexual, strangely enough) webmaster Matt Drudge posts his latest just-shy-of-libel story, and the press jumps on board as quickly as another story about Janet Jackson's titties, the following story goes relatively unnoticed... the exposure of Deep Cover CIA operative Valerie Plame. She loses everything and our national security is damaged because her husband was sent to Niger and, in doing what was asked of him, found out that Hussein never purchased enriched uranium. Amazing.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-02-12 14:33:34 EST (#)
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Hey look, this is on the most heated list. Who would have thought that would happen? OH yea, ME.
That is a lovely picture there Glam.
Submitted by glam_daddy (user info) at 2004-02-12 14:08:02 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
quarter -
"See, I can admit when I'm wrong. For a small fee, I can teach the left how to do it too. Of course, first I'll have to teach them the difference between right and wrong, something they seem to have lost track of in their desire to wallow in moral relativism. "
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better yet. teach bush and cheney and ashcroft and powell how to ADMIT WHEN THEY ARE WRONG.
""no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised." - Bush
""We know he's got ties with al Qaeda." - Bush
"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent. " - Bush
"Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons." - Bush
ouch!
Submitted by glam_daddy (user info) at 2004-02-12 14:04:03 EST (#)
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""You know, if someone goes onto Maddox's site and lifts his material, reprinting it here, we flame the living crap out of them. Glam lifts a bunch of propaganda from another website and reprints it and you laud him like he's a saint. He's a plagiarizer without an original thought in his head. Why is it when Republicans parrot a party line, they're sheep, but Dems do it and call themselvs free-thinking? Pah. ""
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what a load of shit. if you did a google search on this post I wrote you would indeed find the same content on another web page. and guess what fucknut? I own that web page. jessus christ!
And do I use content from other pages sometimes? Yes. I quote bush and put links to the source so it can be verified. Doing research and linking to proof is not the same as stealing from maddox. If I made the accusations I make and didnt back them up you would be calling me a lyer. Guess I just cant win....
Submitted by glam_daddy (user info) at 2004-02-12 14:00:17 EST (#)
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quarterofaman -
I see how you want to work this. I will see you and raise you. Here is something for you to work with since it is clear you dont feel like addressing issues:
i speel reel gud. sotimees wehn i rite a spost i wrte it quik and neverdont check fort tyops becuz i am a lazy fat hippie whos doesnnot vote. the fact tyhat i dedicates hours everyday to my political web page meansd nothing because i am a bran.. braneless fucktard... thnaks
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Have a ball with that one. The rest of us will discuss this over in this corner.
Submitted by glam_daddy (user info) at 2004-02-12 13:57:09 EST (#)
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"Kerry doesn't have a prayer, and I've got 50 fish says so"
how do you figure? Bush has said he will run on his foreign policy 'experience' and if that is the case then he is in serious trouble. Kerry as I am sure you know does more than play dress up on a carrier. He has been in war. He was a decorated war hero. So if he wants to try to stack up his experience to that of kerry well as kerry said: "bring....it....on"
Submitted by Gent (user info) at 2004-02-12 10:33:22 EST (#)
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http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/webfeatures_snapshots
Submitted by Dlove (user info) at 2004-02-12 08:57:51 EST (#)
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You know, for a change I'd like to see one of the liberal views here post a POSITIVE to try and make a difference. BITCHING about something you can't change at the moment is a great way to go about things, I promise.
If Bush sucks so much ass, why don't you try and tell the conservative war mongers who is the better candidate in 2004? Instead of bitching and moaning (which, by the way I must +2 you all on. You do a great job of continuous bitching about the presidency, among other things). Instead of being so REactive towards our political state, how about be PROactive and tell us what bleeding heart liberal is going to save the day?
I'm not a die hard republican, I voted to Clinton. Bob Dole was a fuckchop. Clinton was the better candidate. I never vote a straight ticket, I'm objective. So for all those in Uber who are tired of hearing the bitching, let's hear who's the man for the job. From what I see, the only democratic candidate that had a chance of getting my vote pussed out and dropped from the race.
Submitted by Dlove (user info) at 2004-02-12 08:39:33 EST (#)
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loki - that wasn't a "you" in my review directed at glam. I FIGURED he votes. It was directed at anyone making comments on his post that doesn't.
While I respect your opinions and thoughts and think you've got good comments a good bit of the time, this one threw me and definitely takes the cake:
"Sorry to break it to you, but there is no after life, once you die you are dead. Accept that and you will see why this war is such a useless tragedy."
Didn't know that YOU were actually the one that could answer the question of afterlife. What a load that is lifted off my back now! Loki has been there and back! She knows! Hallelujah!
All of you that are pinning all of this shit on Bush are just fucking retarded. When I last looked, this was a DEMOCRACY, and not a KINGDOM. Look at the fuckwads you send to congress, the senate and the house. THEY make more decisions and have more power than Bush does. You are doing exactly what your senators, congressmen and house representatives want you to do. Blame all the shit on Bush because he is the perfect scapegoat.
How many of you wrote glowing posts for ol Billy when times were "good"? If so, then show me! I'll gladly read them, in fact WANT to read them. Herpes, you ask "Has half of your family lost their ass in the stock market since 2000, while the other half have lost their job?" If you're speaking about yourself, maybe it has hit home to you. But aren't you the fucking high and mighty one to bitch because it's hitting close to you. Do you think that EVERYONE had a job when Bill Clinton was in office? Do you think things were hunky dory then? NO. And it NEVER WILL BE. Don't play the martyr if the role doesn't fucking fit man. Some people don't have the luxury to play the stock market, some people didn't have jobs when Clinton was in office and STILL don't have jobs with Bush in office. Times will always be shitty for someone, but just because it may happen to be you, don't cry that a great injustice has been done, because that makes YOU the fucking hypocrite.
Submitted by Herpes (user info) at 2004-02-12 06:34:26 EST (#)
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All you people who think Bush is doing anything right are bastards. You're either too dumb to notice what the hell is going on in America, or none of the bullshit has hit you close to home. Did those who signed up in the military do so to fight another peoples revolutionary war? At the whim of our leader, and not one of their own? Has half of your family lost their ass in the stock market since 2000, while the other half have lost their job?
I honestly can't think of one person that I know who is in a better position now, than they were before cowboy cockface took that oath. I'm sure the rich people love it. Damn, I knew I should have been born into a politicians family. Or maybe if I didn't live in a state that is dependant on manufacturing, I would be able to look at the nice refreshing glass of urine he has set on everyone's table and say "Ooo look, it's half full!".
And for all the Clinton bashers, what does bringing up his old bitches prove? That he's a heterosexual? Nice argument. Let's not judge a president based on what he did for the country while he was president, let's instead judge him on wether or not he likes blowjobs. With all the immoral things bush has done in his life, bringing up moral and ethical arguments bashing Clinton is ludicrous. Clinton lied about getting a blowjob and got impeached. bush lied about WMD in Iraq and what is he going to get? If you fucks think little bush shouldn't be impeached to, you are the biggest type of jackass...
the hypocritical one.
Now good night.
Submitted by Quartermain (user info) at 2004-02-12 01:20:33 EST (#)
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Damnit, those little asterisks aren't supposed to be on that last comment.
Submitted by Quartermain (user info) at 2004-02-12 01:19:16 EST (#)
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**Quartermain - Back to slamming somone's typos when you lack an argument I see.**
I didn't know it was a typo. I just figured that someone who is such a endless font of intelligence and political savvy that they always know just the right thing to do at all times and can have boundless contempt for someone who flubs a few words while addressing 265 million people live on national television would never be guilty of something so plebian as a mere misspelling. I thought it was just a clever Three Stooges reference.
Whoops.
See, I can admit when I'm wrong. For a small fee, I can teach the left how to do it too. Of course, first I'll have to teach them the difference between right and wrong, something they seem to have lost track of in their desire to wallow in moral relativism.
**which obviously it is not or there would be some convictions out there**
There were convictions, and people did go to jail, otherwise Bubba wouldn't have needed to issue all those pardons right before he left office.
**Sorry to break it to you, but there is no after life, once you die you are dead.**
Heh. I guess we'll see won't we? I imagine one of us will be mightily surprised.
**As for the war being a useless tragedy, I'm sure the Iraqi people just hate all that inconvenient freedom and democracy cluttering up the place.**
Submitted by j_ghost (user info) at 2004-02-12 00:38:24 EST (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/25307
Main point everyone is trying to say :
Everybody knows politicians are dirty scumbags, the best any nation can hope for is an administration that can do a DECENT job. Decent meaning that if you add up all the inevitable blunders with the positive impacts of the administration, the nation as a whole is in exactly the same position as it was since the previous administration...without too many scandals, in other words - breaking even. A GOOD job would be when the nation as a whole ends up in the black. Right now it seems America is so deep in the red with regard to National security, the economy and international relations I'd say your current administration has done a fucking craptacular job.
Submitted by AnnabelLee (user info) at 2004-02-11 23:30:05 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-02-11 22:36:38 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
You know, if someone goes onto Maddox's site and lifts his material, reprinting it here, we flame the living crap out of them. Glam lifts a bunch of propaganda from another website and reprints it and you laud him like he's a saint. He's a plagiarizer without an original thought in his head. Why is it when Republicans parrot a party line, they're sheep, but Dems do it and call themselvs free-thinking? Pah.
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2004-02-11 22:36:07 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
No Comment
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-02-11 22:27:55 EST (#)
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This sort of post is BORING and has been done to death. I got it - Few people on this site like President Bush, me included. I wonder how you will feel when he gets re-elected? Kerry doesn't have a prayer, and I've got 50 fish says so. How many times does this have to get posted? For crying out loud, at least rip on something NEW, or be funny or SOMETHING. This is a whole new strata of boring. It's not funny, it's not topical, it's not interesting.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-02-11 22:00:19 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Dlove - I promise you, glam votes.
Quartermain - Back to slamming somone's typos when you lack an argument I see. That impeachment you are so proud of was nothing more than political grandstanding, it was illegal and you know it. He lied about sex, no body died, no I'm sorry he did not kill Vince Foster. Even if that little litany you cited there is 100% true, which obviously it is not or there would be some convictions out there, that whole laundry list of stuff is not even a fraction as fucked up as what Bush has done to the country.
Maybe the problem is that someone like Bush who is such a right wing religious wacko convinced that he's going to the great here after places no real value on human life. Sorry to break it to you, but there is no after life, once you die you are dead. Accept that and you will see why this war is such a useless tragedy.
Submitted by Dlove (user info) at 2004-02-11 21:14:35 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Alright glam, I'll give you props where props are deserved.
The photoshopping kicks ass. I'll +2 you for that at least.
As for the war and what we're doing over there...unless any of you are actually over there fighting for this country, I don't think any of us really have a firsthand view of what the thoughts are over there. Reading a NYT article written by a desk-jockey doesn't make one a foremost expert on why we are at war. We sit here and talk about how many soldiers have died. To some of you their death may seem meaningless, but not to them. They DIED doing what they chose to do and knowing the consequences. Their memory should be honored and not treated as a meaningless death. If you think the cause is meaningless, at least have the fucking RESPECT to honor the fact those men and women died not necessarily doing what they thought was right, but what the lawmakers of their country asked them to do for America. They didn't sign up for ice cream and puppy dogs. You sign up the military to prepare for WAR. To fight for the causes our country asks them to do.
amusediniraq....comments????
But getting down the essence of presidency, do any of you seriously think that ANYONE goes into office trying to screw the country? They go off of the information they have and the advisors that they have to make the decision they deem best. Yeah, everyone makes mistakes. Bush has made them, every president we have has made them. No one here has walked a mile in the commander-in-chief's shoes. It's easy to be a backseat driver. You think you know it all. No one other than the people that sit in that oval office (with the exception of those performing acts of an oral nature) can really sit here and preach. By all means do so though, if you can provide a thoughtful argument for your side.
And if you're trying to make arguments on ANYTHING political and you haven't voted? Then you just need to shut the hell up, because you haven't done anything to better your situation.
Submitted by Quartermain (user info) at 2004-02-11 21:04:40 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
**quarterofaman - first of all as far as clinton goes, the blowjob was indeed a scandal.**
Oh oh an insulting misspelling of my screen name, its almost like you're my daddy, except not.
The blowjob is only the tip(heh)of the iceberg. Don't forget the AK state troopers who testified that they were his procurers when he was governor, Watergate, Hillary's cattle futures, the Rose Law Firm Files, Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey(who contended that she did not seek his attentions in any way) the fact that he was the first president in a hundred-odd years to be impeached, and the 'suicide' of Vince Foster(where were you on that one, conspiracy boy?) Shall I continue?
**over 500 americans died for a crap war based on lies. No wars were started that lined the pockets of political friends.**
No, but he did bomb Iraq just to try and divert attention from his legal troubles. I'm sure a couple of Iraqis died in that. But I guess that doesn't count.
**No 9-11 happened unber Clinton**
What, did you all of a sudden switch to speaking some kind of German in the middle of that sentence?
So now the fact that Islamic militants hate our way of life and regard this country as the Great Satan is is soley and wholly Pres. Bush's fault? Much like Michael Moore's 'documentaries', thats not even based in reality.
**In fact tell me one good thing Bush has done for that matter.**
How about you travel over to Iraq and ask the Iraqi people whether they prefer living under Sadamm or with the chance of a democratically elected government come June 30th?
**His administration has seen moe scandals**
I hate it when an administration sees moe scandals. Those are even worse than larry scandals or curly scandals. And of course no-one likes shemp scandals.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-02-11 20:44:28 EST (#)
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You know, here is the thing about Bush (was that a sweeping enough statement?), how about here my thing about Bush, he is an extremist who is too simple minded to compromise. He has a very narrow vision of how he sees the world and he surrounds himself with people who merely reinforce that notion then everybody acts shock when the inevitable disaster occurs.
Case in point: WMD - remember THE reason we went to the WAR that has to date killed over 500 US servicemen and Allah only knows how many Iraqis, allies, and other unwilling participants.
A lot is being made about how he had the same 'intelligence' that Clinton did. Ok, let's just suppose that this is 100% true. So tell me why exactly you can have two men looking at the same identical reports and one of them sees it as undisputable reason to go to war and do so immediately and the other one sees it as a threat sure, no doubt, something to monitor closely, hell if I were him I'd go so far as to draw up plans for war just in case it becomes necessary but stop short of declaring war.
Could it be that it's because one of them is a scholar and the other one is a wanna be cowboy?
and now where are we...
Well, we at war and stuck here who are we kidding. We cannot leave now and just let those people fend for themselves or there will be far more terrorists attacks. Haven't we already left them high and dry once during all of this mess.
The economy is fucked, no I'm sorry it is fucked and it will be for years to come. This idiot president has such a thin grasp of economics that he believes in that same old trickle down theory that was a disaster once before. If anything it's even less likely to have a real effect on the economy because we are more of a global economy today than we ever have been.
The answer is jobs and not just number of jobs, but quality jobs with benefits and paid vacation - in short the middle class. The middle class is shrinking thanks to the walmartization of the country.
At the core of it despite any ideological difference that we all know that I have with out esteemed leader, he just does not give me a reason to believe that there is an adult making grown-up decisions running the country. That dear in the headlights look and the way he stumbles over his own mother tongue scream out that he is a total idiot. I don't want someone this fucking stupid working on my car much less making decisions for the single remaining super power in the world.
get it now?
I seriously have got to get some away from the computer time now.
peace
Submitted by glam_daddy (user info) at 2004-02-11 20:40:19 EST (#)
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and if the post seems rushed it was because I really just wanted to show off the kick ass photoshop of bush with the card. that is 4 different photos combined to get that. one of them was jim carrey in ace ventura. how much ass do i kick?
Submitted by glam_daddy (user info) at 2004-02-11 20:15:57 EST (#)
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quarterofaman -
first of all as far as clinton goes, the blowjob was indeed a scandal. but nobody died. over 500 americans died for a crap war based on lies. No wars were started that ;lined the pockets of political friends. No 9-11 happened unber Clinton. In fact Clinton warned Bush about Osama. Remember that? Clinton never ousted a CIA agent for revenge... Clinton had a great economy. Bush,... well the economy sucks. Tell me one thing clinton did that was worse than the things Bush is doing. In fact tell me one good thing Bush has done for that matter.
You call my post crap. But all I did was post some facts based on the economy. That pretty much how I usually do it. I post the facts and watch the Bush apologists squirm...
just as you are squirming now... Not addressing the content of the post, just spinning in circles unable to prove me wrong. True to form quarter, so true to form...
squirm baby.
squirm....
Submitted by ess2s2 (user info) at 2004-02-11 20:10:08 EST (#)
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George W. Bush as well as about the last three presidents before him were all figureheads.
If you look at a president's power, it is nothing more than a pretty face to link to all the problems of the country. A president does nothing without consulting his cabinet, his chiefs of staff and his personal aids, all of whom have their own stake in how this country is politically and financially divided.
The real power to change the way this country operates lies in the Senate, a building full of rich, white, old men who have more financial ties then we could ever count. If you take a look at a typical bill that gets run through the Senate and the House, you will see that it is vastly different when it comes out as a law than when it went in. Both branches will turn over and amend that particular bill until it is as self serving to all parties as it can be.
Bills that go in as an environmental protection initiative will come out with as many as a hundred, totally unrelated amendments ranging from loosening chemical plant inspections to approving unbacked research. All these amendments will somehow pad someone's pockets and influence their voting hands.
If you listen to some of G.W.B's press confrences, you will see that he is an idiot, groomed for office by his father, and no more capable of steering this country than I am.
The president is one man with all his power in his smile. The other branches of government are the ones to be wary of.
Submitted by Quartermain (user info) at 2004-02-11 19:49:13 EST (#)
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**His administration has seen moe scandals than any other I can think of.**
You must not be thinking very hard then. All you have to do is cast your mind back a minimum of five years to the previous President who was dealing with scandals before he was ever even President in the first place.
On a related note, your posts are usually better than this. If I didn't know steps had been taken to weed out that sort of thing, I'd think someone was trying to sabotage you by posting crap under your name.
Submitted by Dlove (user info) at 2004-02-11 19:45:48 EST (#)
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I didn't really care about arguing his main point. MY point was that if you plan to convey a convincing argument, then BE convincing. Don't you live in the US Herpes? Doesn't that make GW "your" president as well?
However, of all the points made on this post, NotApologizing makes the best one. To pin all the woes on one man is a bit much. If everything fell on his shoulders, we wouldn't be in a democracy, we'd have a king or an emperor.
Do you think GW woke up one morning and said "aww shit, I'm gonna cut troop pay today." No, I don't think so. We have a senate, house and congress that decide most of the decisions that effect our lives.
Do you think there's any president the US has had that hasn't been grossly criticized by opponents? I guarantee you there is not. Everyone likes to look for a scapegoat when they are having a shitty time and the president, ANY president, fits that role well. No money? Damn president. No jobs? Damn president.
Instead of pointing out all the problems, present a solution. Then maybe I'll listen.
Submitted by Herpes (user info) at 2004-02-11 18:30:51 EST (#)
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Can't argue against his main point, so you argue a few ...'s? Yes he looked like an idiot when he did that, even after fucking up the first link. How about arguing the actual point. Yes, glam may have been a moron a couple of times today, but if you look at the bright side, that's probably fewer times than your president has. And glam doesn't hold the highest political position in his country.
Submitted by glam_daddy (user info) at 2004-02-11 18:30:18 EST (#)
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then you should stand corrected since the link with the ... works fine.
is that all you got?
Submitted by Dlove (user info) at 2004-02-11 18:15:31 EST (#)
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If you're going to take the time to create a shortcut for someone,
take away the (...)
If you're telling me you can click a link ending in 3 periods and it takes you to the website, then I stand corrected.
Submitted by glam_daddy (user info) at 2004-02-11 17:51:18 EST (#)
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ok this graph explains it all
;-)
http://www.jordansplace.net/politics/images/rumsfeld_saddam.jpg
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-02-11 17:42:39 EST (#)
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I got this to work fine: http://www.jobwatch.org
?
Besides, the thing about 1,000 jobs in December has been all over the news.
one and done
like father like son
Submitted by glam_daddy (user info) at 2004-02-11 17:29:34 EST (#)
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"http://www.jobwatch.org...
doesn't seem to be a website either."
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huh? its not a link? is that why it takes me directly to the web page when you click on it? want to refrase that?
how about this. show me a graph that gives a job growthn instead of loss. I have shown several but you dont seem to like them even though they are from various sources and all confirm bush sucks ass....
Submitted by Dlove (user info) at 2004-02-11 17:16:51 EST (#)
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http://www.jobwatch.org...
doesn't seem to be a website either. You need to get a few lessons on hyperlinks first. I like also how you write your response like I was the one who fucked up and wrote that everyone should go to www.watch.com instead of www.jobwatch.org.
"look if you want to know where i got the images rub your 2 brain cells together, click on the image and look where it has the source printed on it. theres no place like home. theres no place like home.... Ill save you the time its http://www.jobwatch.org/ ( not .com"
If you're trying to create an argument on why Bush sucks so bad, why the fuck should I have to do research to see YOUR point? Glad you're not a lawyer.
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I don't need to argue why my client is innocent. Do the fucking research yourself. Defence rests.
And it's you'RE welcome. Not your welcome.
Submitted by glam_daddy (user info) at 2004-02-11 17:10:16 EST (#)
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notapologising
i agree with most of what you say. I am sure if kerry is elected everything wont turn into sunshine and peaches. Kerry has big business and big money issues i worry about. politicians in general tend to suck dick much like a 2 bit whore who practices by sucking golf balls through 50 foot lengths of garden hose. which is to say they all suck. but some suck more than others...
paz
Submitted by NotApologizing (user info) at 2004-02-11 16:59:32 EST (#)
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You cannot, by default, blame a president for the economy. Just like you wouldn't give them the credit for it going well. Do any of us think Clinton had much of a hand in the dot com boom of the late nineties? hell no. But new jobs were created nonetheless.
Kodak recently laid off a shitload of people. Why? Because the expansion of digital versus film photography has rendered those employees (most of whom were in the film photography segment) uneccessary. That is the beauty and difficulty with capitalism.
Unless you're talking Warren Buffet or George Soros, it's very hard for an individual to affect the economy the way you're claiming.
As far as the underhanded relations with our 'evil' enemies. It seems to be a troubling pattern among recent presidents. Clinton had his oil money and a lot of love for China as well. I think Bush is a horrible president and basically a big joke. But I promise I'll continue laughing no matter who we elect this year. They're all basically the same interchangeable pandering bag of political lies and failures. Goddamn it's time for a fucking revolution.
Submitted by Gent (user info) at 2004-02-11 16:57:21 EST (#)
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Domenad doesn't have to worry about the job market... he will always find employment as the circus fat man.
Submitted by glam_daddy (user info) at 2004-02-11 16:54:05 EST (#)
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"Way to back up your graphs with that shitty website. "
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the web site is http://www.jobwatch.org... not watch.com
your welcome
Submitted by glam_daddy (user info) at 2004-02-11 16:52:09 EST (#)
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look if you want to know where i got the images rub your 2 brain cells together, click on the image and look where it has the source printed on it. theres no place like home. theres no place like home.... Ill save you the time its http://www.jobwatch.org/ ( not .com)
or do the fucking research yourself. you will get the same results
here are a few more from other pages (some are local job growth so they may have a diffferent outlook, but none of them have a good outlook)
http://www.uh.edu/irf/images/jobgrowth2.jpg
http://money.cnn.com/2003/09/04/news/economy/jobs_walkup/the_worst_labor_market2.gif
http://www.ibew103.com/images/jobgrowth.gif
http://www.idahoatwork.org/chart_jobgrowth.gif
so if you dont like the ones i posted click any of those links. see how they show the same thing? see how bush sucks ass?
i thought so.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-02-11 16:47:40 EST (#)
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Trite and uninteresting. Par for the course where Glam_daddy is concerned.
Submitted by Dlove (user info) at 2004-02-11 16:39:41 EST (#)
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www.watch.com?
Am I the only one that gets a website where you search for WATCHES???
I didn't know "official government agencies" were trying to sell me a Tag Heuer. Damn GW and his chronographs!!!
Way to back up your graphs with that shitty website.
Submitted by glam_daddy (user info) at 2004-02-11 16:37:27 EST (#)
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shadow-
so true about the saudi connection. he must be afreaid of that comming out big time..
Submitted by Dlove (user info) at 2004-02-11 16:36:48 EST (#)
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Oh my god! http://www.theonion.com/4006/news3.html Can you believe that shit?
I believe everything I read on the INTERNET, because it is FACTUAL INFORMATION with no bias whatsoever!
Submitted by glam_daddy (user info) at 2004-02-11 16:35:51 EST (#)
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"Your sources are unreliable"
actually the graphs are from The economy policy institute analysis for job http://www.watch.com
you will get the same facts on any graph you find. Those numbers are from official government agencies.
nice try though
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-02-11 16:35:40 EST (#)
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Does anyone want to place a wager on how long until this hits most heated, 'cause I'm just guessing that's where it's headin'.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-02-11 16:31:35 EST (#)
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BLITZKREIG_BOB - <sigh> that's HIS website, not his news source. I could see where it might take you about 10 seconds to figure that out.
Submitted by shadow (user info) at 2004-02-11 16:30:05 EST (#)
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Bush has his panties in a bunch about the 9/11 attacks because bin Laden is related to the Saudi Arabian Royal family, who were BUISNESS PARTNERS with both W. and his dad.
After the 9/11 attacks, 24 members of bin Laden's extended family were flown by private jet (curtousey of US taxpayers) out of the country within 18 hours during the no-fly period. Why? Because W has to protect his interests... he'd love to blame the whole thing on Osama bin Laden, as long as you don't mention who his family sleeps with financialy or the fact that the Saudi Arabian government might be invovled.
Submitted by AlwaysAnEagle (user info) at 2004-02-11 16:28:49 EST (#)
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Plus two because in my senior year my Dad bought ad space in the yearbook for the purpose of putting a "Get Out Of Jail Free" card in it. I had to take in the ad - and when I say "ad" I mean "card swiped out of the Monopoly box by my Dad" - in to the yearbook advisor, who looked at me with this "There has to be some kind of hidden meaning to this" expression before saying ok in that tone of voice you use with kids who are grinning evilly and hiding things behind their backs. The rationale that my Dad gave me for his ad? "Every senior needs this."
My Dad rocks.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2004-02-11 16:27:23 EST (#)
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You base your arguments on information that you got off of www.jordansplace.com ....If I manufacture a couple of cheezy graphs that say you lure children into your gingerbread house, would you take it as gospel? Your sources are unreliable (and kinda gay looking too).
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2004-02-11 16:26:48 EST (#)
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Presenting distorted information to Congress is a felony. Impeach this fuck!