Anti-semetism (1794 hits)
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Submitted by HendrixDDT<robinson.51.at.wright.edu> (View user info) at 2004-03-01 09:59:08 EST
This is in response to a million posts. I can't cover every one of them, so I'd like to start a
new discussion on the front page. Please, I'd like to inspire some feedback and maybe some
civilized argument. Remember, just because someone disagrees with you about religion, that doesn't
mean that they are automatically wrong and you have to turn a deaf ear to what they are saying.
Now there's been a lot of talk on ubersite about the Passion, and I'm sure there is a mixed bag of
opinions. Personally, I'm not sure what to think about the film and don't really know if I care to
see such a bloody depiction. What I'm concerned about is not the film, however. I want to know
what people think about the biblical notion of the Jewish "murder" of Jesus who is called the
Christ. I was priveledged to take a course on the bible by a devout Jew, and he briefly covered
some of the biblical passages that have incited anti-semetism. He was an excellent teacher, but
there was not enough time in the quarter to fully cover every topic. Let's have a debate.
The whole basis for the anit-semetism argument is that the Jews killed Jesus:
If the Jews hadn't killed Jesus, what would Christianity be? Was it not necessary for Jesus to die
in order to fulfill his destiny?
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Submitted by backsagainstthewall (user info) at 2004-03-21 05:55:32 EST (#)
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Typical sensationalist Jew propaganda.
Submitted by Murphy1844 (user info) at 2004-03-21 05:37:44 EST (#)
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Jesus was Jewish himself. Doesn't this sort of end the whole anit-semetism debate? Jews killed a Jew. It's like black people icing black people in the hood. Are the black people who iced black people "anti-blackism"?
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2004-03-06 17:45:44 EST (#)
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who are the semetes?
Submitted by Jeriko2k3 (user info) at 2004-03-03 18:54:41 EST (#)
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Schindler's List was anti semitic.
Submitted by flux_modulator (user info) at 2004-03-03 15:44:56 EST (#)
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"If the work of God would be comprehended by reason, it would be no longer wonderful, and faith would have no merit if reason provided proof"
St. Gregory I (590-604)
They made it all up at the Council of Nicaea 325, pass the plate
Submitted by kgbpasha (user info) at 2004-03-03 02:09:50 EST (#)
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Submitted by saway99 (user info) at 2004-03-02 15:46:16 (#)
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Jesus looks aramaic in this film. not white. Most realistic looking Jesus you will find other than Him Him self.
How do you look like a language?
Submitted by toast (user info) at 2004-03-03 01:56:20 EST (#)
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Silly rabbit...
Jews don't kill Jesus, nails do!
Let there be slack.
Submitted by Kimba (user info) at 2004-03-02 23:19:25 EST (#)
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I haven't read all of the other responses beacuse there are too many and I don't feel like it.
I really don't understand why this whole "the Jews killed Jesus" thing is such an issue. Jesus was a Jew. Christianity did not come to be until after Jesus' death. How can so many people hate an entire race for killing one of their own? If Jesus hadn't been crucified, most of us would be Jewish, after all where did Christianity come from? A Jew.
I probably sound naive or ignorant, I don't care.
Submitted by hendrixjrr (user info) at 2004-03-02 22:54:19 EST (#)
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sorry for the constant misspelling. I'm an asshat
Submitted by saway99 (user info) at 2004-03-02 15:46:16 EST (#)
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Jesus looks aramaic in this film. not white. Most realistic looking Jesus you will find other than Him Him self.
Submitted by dyerbm (user info) at 2004-03-02 15:32:30 EST (#)
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There has been a lot of talk about the movie *passion of Christ* as possibly causing anti-Semitism. Not only do I not give a fuck about that outcome, but as well I think that society (the part that hate's Jews for this reason) should eat a big fat dick. The only insight I have for you Jew haters is the fact that according to Jesus himself the actions had to take place regardless of who took on the task. It was prophecy. If anything else, we owe our gratitude to the Jews for making possible our redemption.
In loki's own words "I was rather interested to read in the paper this weekend that the notion of a Passion play is not new. There is some small town that, back during the plague pledged that if they would be spared from any more deaths, they would do a Passion play once every 10 years. Guess who was a big fan? Hitler. He used these plays to incite anti-Jewish sentiment"
My main point is that there is no difference between Hitler's attempts to rile up hatred, and black history month. Black history month is a month for *all* people to take some time to appreciate the many things that black people have contributed to society. As a plus *all* people have the pleasure of watching nothing but "roots" or re-runs like it for the entire month. This is because nothing else is being aired on cable out of respect for the slaves of SO LONG AGO.
But really people, what purpose does this month have? I was taught the same exact shit during black history month every year since I can remember. There has been no new information. It's just the same bullshite about how my greatest of ancestors shouldn't have been so fucked up and how now I along with anyone else white must suffer.
My question to all is, If anti-Semitism caused by this movie thanks to Hitler and Mel is such a bad thing, then why in the fuck is it alright for the *black Hitler's* to program everyone's entire month with that whiney shit regarding something they've never dealt with? Please forgive my insensitive indiscretion if you are a 50yr+ old black person. You may have actually dealt with that shit.
Last thoughts: If you hate Jews for the death of Christ, go fuck yourself. If you are black, white or any color for that matter, and you support black history month, go fuck yourself. As much as the actions of the Jews of the past don't concern the present ones, the black history being pumped into our children about what doesn't concern this generation does not mean a fucking shit either. It is however good knowledge to have, so let's just keep it taught in history class just like every other subject
Submitted by MasteroftheMelee (user info) at 2004-03-02 09:49:46 EST (#)
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The Jews DID kill Jesus. According to the bible, when the Jews had him nailed to the cross, they represented every person in exsistence. Meaning EVERYONE would have done that, and yet the Trinity forgives. I don't really think that the Jewish population really knew what was going on when they supported the crucifiction, but a few did, and each and every last one of us could find ourselves (or at least our actions) in those few.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2004-03-02 04:24:02 EST (#)
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Haven't seen the film, not gonna see the film, fed up with films where jesus is white.
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2004-03-02 00:56:25 EST (#)
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"'They'? "
They as in the majority of Isreal who vote right wing.
Submitted by Sacrew (user info) at 2004-03-02 00:25:20 EST (#)
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Christianity is a false path.
THIS is the ONE, TRUE RELIGION:
www.freewebs.com/icop/
REPENT!
Submitted by DraconianKing (user info) at 2004-03-02 00:06:59 EST (#)
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its anti-semitism, asshat
Submitted by EvilZurr (user info) at 2004-03-01 23:22:26 EST (#)
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if we could clone jesus, would the christians still be against it?
hey, im sure theyre just begging to start the rapture up earlier than planned.
Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-03-01 23:20:33 EST (#)
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I can only suggest that anyone wanting the truth about all of this should try reading a book called "The Passover Plot". Should open a lot of eyes to the truth. Not an easy read though.
Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-03-01 20:00:44 EST (#)
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"Now a days it's because they are being total shits to the Arabs."
'They'?
That is such a stupid thing to say.
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2004-03-01 15:23:12 EST (#)
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Most people over history were Anti - Semite because they were the best scape goat, they were minorities in most countries and were good with money.
Now a days it's because they are being total shits to the Arabs.
Submitted by smokymtcsw (user info) at 2004-03-01 15:05:15 EST (#)
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I have a problem with the mispelling of antisemitism.
This is for whoever said Pilate was made to seem merciful but he was not. Pilate was scared, the Jews had revolted twice and Roman authorities told him if he had one more problem he would not be a ruler anymore. Jesus had a week before entered into Jerusalem to cries of hosanna savior and had a large following. Further Pilates wife was warned in a dream not to harm the Christ. Because of this Pilate was hesitant to find Jesus guilty and have him killed. Nevertheless he ordered his execution.
To whoever was being clever by pointing out the difference between Jesus Barabbas and Jesus Christ, you are silly and Jesus was a common name, which is why Jesus Christ was often referred to later as Jesus of Nazareth.
Submitted by saway99 (user info) at 2004-03-01 13:53:48 EST (#)
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If you are willing to take the time to do the research to disprove what is happened I would be interested to listen to your findings. I am not trying to preach here, everyone can justify their arguments in one way or another. If you are looking to learn more I would like to suggest a book called "The Case For Christ" by Lee Stroble. He was an atheist reporter that was on a mission to disprove and discredit the Bible and everything in it. A lot of the arguments that have been brought up are challenged in that book. It is really cheap too, right around $10 or less. Or get it for free at the public library.
On a different note, it has been good to actually have a real discussion on this site. with people who truely want to discuss issues.
Submitted by Zoidberg (user info) at 2004-03-01 13:51:37 EST (#)
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the fact that you can't even spell anti-semitism makes me question the wright.edu in your e-mail address
Submitted by hendrixjrr (user info) at 2004-03-01 13:47:02 EST (#)
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Jesus is not undeniably the son of God. People deny it all the time.
There are a lot of messienic prophecies in the old testament and Jesus really only lives up to one of those, to my knowledge - this passage in Isaiah. I'm pretty sure we could argue about this all day without one side budging. It comes down to religious beliefs, and I don't think this argument will change anyone's beliefs.
By the way, I know that Isaiah didn't write the entire book of Isaiah. In fact, we don't know who did. There are two distinct parts to the book, corresponding to what is thought to be two authors.
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2004-03-01 13:43:22 EST (#)
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For me there is more than enough evidence to prove that Jesus was the messiah and he suffered and died on the cross for me.
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4 people writing conflicting stories about what they saw years after it happened is enought evidence for you?
Well if thats the case, i have this fabolous hydrogen oxgyen substance that will do wonders for whatever ails you. I have four references if needed.
[Im not trying to start a religious debate. I just thought that quote was amusing.]
Submitted by SpikeGoddess (user info) at 2004-03-01 13:43:11 EST (#)
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"The biggest problem I have is that you can make the Bible say just about anything you want it to by taking bits and pieces of text to make it say what you want and make it be valid."
Funny, this is one of my biggest problems with the Bible too. And one of the reasons I'm not Christian anymore.
"If you read the scripture as a complete text and fully examine the meaning you will know the truth."
Except how can you read the full text? How many books were left out of the cannon? How much was lost in translation? How much political and social control was written into the books, and how much stayed there? How much was added? How much is it a culturally specific text for a culture to which most of us do not belong?
I'm not attacking your faith, personally. I'm glad you have something that works for you. This is just my opinion.
SpikeGoddess
Submitted by saway99 (user info) at 2004-03-01 13:35:28 EST (#)
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I'm not saying you are doing that with Isaiah by that artical did that a lot. Yes a lot of preachers do just take bits and pieces of the Bible to prove a point, sometimes they stay on track to the truth and sometimes they get off track. By looking at the text as a whole that is called expository teaching. This is how you will discover the truth about what the Bible says.
As far as your argument on Isaiah, I'm not convinced. First of all Isaiah didn't write that book it was king Soloman, and as far as the prophecy no it didn't say that "Jesus was going to be the Messiah" but the charactor traits discribed do point to that being Jesus. If you look at the life of Jesus with His teaching and miracles, to me he is undeniably the Son of God.
Submitted by hendrixjrr (user info) at 2004-03-01 13:25:03 EST (#)
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"The biggest problem I have is that you can make the Bible say just about anything you want it to by taking bits and pieces of text to make it say what you want and make it be valid"
We are both doing the same thing. I've sat through many sermons where the preacher did just what you've described above. What if Jesus took bits and pieces of the Old Testament to make people think he was the son of God? He seemed to quote small portions of the old testament quite frequently.
Also, I don't see how I'm taking the book of Isaiah in bits and pieces. Actually, I've taken the suffering servant song: part 4 and contextualized it with the other three songs in the series along with the rest of the book. I've also compared this messienic prophecy with others of the old testament. You've given me a quote of a section and asked me to define a meaning.
Submitted by saway99 (user info) at 2004-03-01 13:19:17 EST (#)
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Thats not true. Matthew, Mark and Luke were written between 55 and 60 AD and John was written in 85 AD. According to my elementary math skills that is not 200 years.
Submitted by chillypepper12 (user info) at 2004-03-01 13:09:45 EST (#)
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does anyone ever think about the fact that the gospels were written 200 years after jesus' death?
just a thought.
Submitted by saway99 (user info) at 2004-03-01 12:57:06 EST (#)
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I realize you don't care anymore, but though your artical was interesting I find some flaws in it. The biggest problem I have is that you can make the Bible say just about anything you want it to by taking bits and pieces of text to make it say what you want and make it be valid. If you read the scripture as a complete text and fully examine the meaning you will know the truth. For me there is more than enough evidence to prove that Jesus was the messiah and he suffered and died on the cross for me.
"I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life. John 5:24
One last thing, The book of John talks about the disbeliefe for the Jews and Jewish leaders. Read through it, you might find it interesting.
Submitted by hendrixjrr (user info) at 2004-03-01 12:36:09 EST (#)
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I don't think I care any more either.
Submitted by reallybored (user info) at 2004-03-01 12:28:34 EST (#)
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Am i the only person who doesnt give a shit about any of this? The only thing that died for ME was my dad's spermies that didnt make it.
Sorry boys.
[not back to you regularly scheduled discussion]
Submitted by hendrixjrr (user info) at 2004-03-01 12:22:41 EST (#)
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http://www.messiahtruth.com/isaiah53a.html
Here is a website about messianic prophecy of the old testament. This article talks about Isaiah 53 in particular.
Submitted by hendrixjrr (user info) at 2004-03-01 12:19:03 EST (#)
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http://www.holysmoke.org/sdhok/isaiah-p.htm
Ok, I read it. It's long. Please suffer through the reading. It explains the song verse by verse. I was wrong earlier in saying that it isn't a prophesy. It is a prophesy (when attached with its beginning Isaiah 52:12-15), but it's not a prophesy of Jesus as the Messiah.
This article I'm posting gives a very thorough examination, with plenty of references. I want you to pay close attention to the last couple of paragraphs. Not even Jesus' desciples associated this writing with the Messiah.
Furthermore, this prophesy is not inline with any other of the eschatological prophesies in the old testament. They all talk of peace and harmony, but never the sacrifice of the Messiah.
Submitted by Eversor (user info) at 2004-03-01 12:15:37 EST (#)
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Yes, it was necessary for him to die, but it really doesn't matter what religion the people were that were screaming for his execution. It wasn't the Jews, that screamed for his death. It was Jewish people. Modern day Jew have nothing to do with what happened so long ago. Its like going to a church and shooting everyone because of the crusades. And on top of all this, the idea is that while some Jews wanted him dead, its all of humanities fault that he had to die. (You know, sacrificing himself for ALL of us, because we are bad, yadda-yadda...) I hope this makes sense.
Submitted by hendrixjrr (user info) at 2004-03-01 12:09:03 EST (#)
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I've found an interesting article about this subject, Saway. I'm reading it. If I think it's relevent, I'll post a link.
Submitted by saway99 (user info) at 2004-03-01 12:01:55 EST (#)
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prove to me it is not true.
Submitted by VanillaKid (user info) at 2004-03-01 11:55:57 EST (#)
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yes, saway99 but just cos its written in a daft old book, oesn't mean its true...
dont live your life by these bumbled nonsensical writings
Submitted by saway99 (user info) at 2004-03-01 11:27:59 EST (#)
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How does Isaiah 53 not a prophecy? It discribes Christ in His appearence, talks about His rejection, says He was burried like a criminal. There is nothing but prophecy in Isaiah 53. Read it again.
1 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by men,
a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering.
Like one from whom men hide their faces
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4 Surely he took up our infirmities
and carried our sorrows,
yet we considered him stricken by God,
smitten by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to his own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before her shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression [1] and judgment he was taken away.
And who can speak of his descendants?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was stricken. [2]
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes [3] his life a guilt offering,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
11 After the suffering of his soul,
he will see the light of life [4] and be satisfied [5] ;
by his knowledge [6] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, [7]
and he will divide the spoils with the strong, [8]
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.
Submitted by hendrixjrr (user info) at 2004-03-01 11:20:51 EST (#)
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Thank you.
Submitted by LacyFace16 (user info) at 2004-03-01 11:03:06 EST (#)
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hendrix
you're right. i must have been taking my frustration with all these *passion* posts out on you.
my apologies.
-Michelle
Submitted by VanillaKid (user info) at 2004-03-01 10:54:31 EST (#)
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the thing is, is that it motivates people to go on about this subject, because if they didn't have this in their lives they would look inwardly and realise that their beloved religions are actually worthless and meaningless unless they argue about some fictitious book written centuries ago as a form of social control by some bigots who needed an answer to the eternal question.
I was born Jewish and for most of my childhood i was brought up as a Jew, but as i reached maturity i realised that God can't possibly exist, for anyone...its just pure nonsense!
Wars are fought and lost, land is stolen, people crash aeroplanes into buildings and it will go on like this forever, there is no debate!
Submitted by hendrixjrr (user info) at 2004-03-01 10:50:35 EST (#)
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THIS IS NOT ABOUT A DAMN MOVIE!!!!!!!
Submitted by LacyFace16 (user info) at 2004-03-01 10:47:51 EST (#)
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first, i am soooo tired (just as everyone else is) of these posts. But i'm not going to give you a negative rating for it because i chose to read this anyway.
my biggest question is *what does it matter who killed Jesus???* It's a movie. Made for your entertainment. It doesn't mean that it is the exact replica of that time period and the incident involving Jesus's death. Why do we have to rip everything apart? Why can't you just take it for what it is and enjoy it. In *you*, I mean that in a general term.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2004-03-01 10:41:22 EST (#)
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MothyHam, I tend to agree. See my view on them: http://www.ubersite.com/m/24860
I'm tired of hearing jews pissing and moaning about how this or that might fuel anti-semitism. I'm tired of them constantly playing the victim card.
Submitted by hendrixjrr (user info) at 2004-03-01 10:36:07 EST (#)
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Saway99:
What questions will I have?
I'm very familiar with the Suffering Servant song of Isaiah 52-53. So familiar with it, in fact, that I've actually looked at it in full context and realized that its original intent is to describe the plight of Israel up to the point of Isaiah's writing. There are quite a few clues that would lead one to say it is a prophesy, however, it doesn't fit the form of a prophesy in many ways.
Caulaincourt:
I don't give a fuck what Mel Gibson says about the bible. I haven't seen this movie, and I don't care about Hollywood being rational. This has been an issue since far before this movie came out. My post is not about a movie, my post is about reasonable discussion. Thank you for doing your part in ruining any chance for the latter.
Submitted by Mothyham (user info) at 2004-03-01 10:35:06 EST (#)
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Jews are a fucking drag. Just about every jew I have ever dealt with has tried to fuck me over somehow and make me think I am his friend while doing it.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2004-03-01 10:30:34 EST (#)
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This movie was crap and didn't potrayed Pilate correctly. He was in no way as merciful as the movie depicted him. In fact, he was rather drastic with trouble makers so the whole "Jews are entirely responsible for Jesus' death because Mel Gibson says so" debate is entirely useless.
Hollywood IS NOT rational.
Shhhhh now.
Submitted by saway99 (user info) at 2004-03-01 10:23:05 EST (#)
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The movie is not anti semitic. The Jews are no more responsible for killing Christ than you and I are. If you look back in the old testement in Isaiah 53 it prophisised the death of Christ. This was something that was going to happen regardless.
This movie is very powerful and moving. I highly recomend that you go and see it with an open mind and an open heart. You will have questions when it is over with. Ask them, find someone you can discuss this with.
God Bless
Submitted by SpikeGoddess (user info) at 2004-03-01 10:21:42 EST (#)
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Ok, I'm not trying to deprive you of rational argument.
Jesus's death was needed for the salvation of all. Therefore it doesn't matter who physically killed him. We all killed him by our sinful nature. We are all equally responsible for his death.
(That's the Christian response, anyway.)
SpikeGoddess
Submitted by hendrixjrr (user info) at 2004-03-01 10:18:01 EST (#)
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Loki, thanks for being rational. I think some "Christians" feel sorry for Jews because one guy in the bible took blame for killing Jesus and said let the guilt be on our children's shoulders (paraphrase).
Anyway, how can a Christian explain what Christianity would be without the crucifiction.
Submitted by hendrixjrr (user info) at 2004-03-01 10:15:25 EST (#)
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It seems as though I'm not going to get the logical argument I'd hoped for. My question is that if the Jews hadn't killed Jesus, then Jesus would have just been another man (though his mother was a virgin, I've known a few girls in high school who got pregnant and didn't have a clue how).
I'm discussing the current impact of these 2000 year old myths/stories/whatever. Even though I don't quite believe that Pilate gave the people a choice between "Jesus that is called the Christ" and "Jesus Son of the father" (Jesus Barabbas) - perhaps it was the authors fear of Roman authority that led them to lay blame on Jews - and even if he did, he gave them a choice between two people that sound pretty similar to me. I just want to know where people get their motivation.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-03-01 10:08:25 EST (#)
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Jason, you damn hippie. Stop trying to stop the arguments, it's fun to crap in your hand and throw it, have you tried it?
I was rather interested to read in the paper this weekend that the notion of a Passion play is not new. There is some small town that, back during the plague pledged that if they would be spared from any more deaths, they would do a Passion play once every 10 years. Guess who was a big fan? Hitler. He used these plays to incite anti-Jewish sentiment.
I've heard some pretty scary stuff from the religious folk in this area. Someone was on a call in show on the radio saying that they are not angry at the Jews for killing Jesus, instead they feel sorry for the Jewish people for having to carry the guilt that they killed the Messiah. I was struck by the fact that this person did not seem to understand that regardless of how they personally feel towards the Jews on this issue, they are in fact blaming them for it. Odd that no mention is made of the enormous guilt the Christians should be carrying around over the Inquisition and the Crusades. Hey turnabout is fair play.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2004-03-01 10:05:35 EST (#)
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2000 years old story/myth. Who gives a shit -- except you ?
Submitted by SpikeGoddess (user info) at 2004-03-01 10:03:39 EST (#)
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I'm sick of talking about this movie, and I'm even sicker of people who hate Jews for the deatht of Jesus.
JESUS WAS A JEW (maybe a 'marginal' one, as one book on the subject suggests and as I believe Yidele would concur, but he was still culturally and religiously Jewish)!!!!!!! DOESN'T ANYBODY REMEMBER THAT?!?!?!??!!? WHERE HAVE PEOPLE'S MINDS GONE?!?!?!
I ask you: if you're going to hate Jews for killing your Godhead, then you should ask yourself why your Godhead still practiced the Jewish religion.
Everyone's got their heads so far up their ass looking for someone to hate. It's just preposterous.
SpikeGoddess