So, you too are a Greek hater? (1332 hits)
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Submitted by David Jones <davjones.at.iastate.edu> (View user info) at 2004-05-13 01:12:10 EDT
So, you too are a Greek hater?
Fuck you.
That's right, I said it. I am simply sick of reading about how people hate fraternities, or how frat guys are prep rich kid bitches, or they buy their friends. You uneducated bitches can shut the fuck up starting now.
I am going to break the stereotype down for you.
"Frat guys are rich preppy bastards who buy their friends."
Did you know it actually costs less to live in any fraternity on my campus than to live in the dorms? No? It actually saves me 40% to live at Pi Kappa Phi. 40% is a good chunk of money wouldn't you say? Not only that, but instead of shitty cafeteria food, I get to eat food cooked by a professional cook. Wow, sounds like a good deal doesn't it? If you could lower your rent by 40% and improve your food by 100%, would you? So uh...let me get this straight. It's cheaper, so we must be rich, we often have formal events where we dress classy, so we must be preppy, and we all pay to live in the same house, so we buy our friends...Right.
"Frat guys are drunken date rape artists."
I see. So, let me ask you then, did you ever drink in college? No? Well, simply put, I don't believe your lying ass. The vast majority of college students are drinking. Straight up, if you don't believe me take your head out of your ass. Did you know that the number of filed rapes inside fraternities on my campus is actually lower then the number from apartments, and dorms? There has never been a rape in my house, ever. We have only ever had 2 rape charges brought up. One was completely disproved by sober witnesses who weren't even members of the house; the other one had the charges dropped. Even so, in both cases, we immediately disbanded all ties with the 2 members in question. So prone to people pointing the finger and saying 'We told you so' we went out of our way to keep a clean record, at the cost of ourselves.
"Frat guys bring down communities with their low brow parties."
I see. I am sorry you believe we are bringing down communities...being that it is a college community having legal parties where under age drinking is chronic is tragic I know. While we are busy ruining communities with our events we are on the side, raising money. You see, most of these low brow parties are actually fund raisers. Take for example my fraternities jello wrestling fund raiser that got shut down (http://www.ubersite.com/m/31080) I suppose this event was horrible, because to attend you would have to pay, and thus, buy your friends right? So we bought our friends and happened to slip 1000 dollars to help disadvantaged children. Damn. Fuck us.
"Frat guys are stupid, and take bullshit classes to party more."
The average graduating GPA of Greeks, at Iowa State University School of Science and technology is .4 HIGHER then the average of the rest. .4...that's quite a bit higher, would you not agree? Greek at Iowa State also graduate at a higher rate. So while we are likely having more fun than you; we are also turning out more graduates, and our graduates on average are higher quality. The average rate of employment non Greek vs. Greek is also clearly in favor of Greek graduates. Good call.
I really need to get back to work, so I will wrap things up. Fraternities are not anything like the stereotypes, and I know I can't really change the opinions of most of you, especially the guys who didn't go Greek because they weren't invited, or anyone who had a rough experience. Honestly, if you are going to base everything on one experience, or what you have read about, heard about, saw on TV then you really aren't someone whose opinion I give a fuck about. This is honestly akin to racism. One time you had a bad experience with a Jewish person who haggled you out of some cash, on TV Jewish people are always rich, so now you hate the money grubbing Jews. Bullshit, take your head out of your ass.
My fraternal experience is one of learning to express myself positively. Learning to dress nice, attend formal dinners, take care of business first, and then retire to some pleasure. While being in my fraternity I learned about time management, commitments, and professionalism. A lot of fun can be had when you go Greek, but the biggest part of this is getting your shit done first. You will not find a place full or more positive peer pressure than a fraternity. Never have I seen 60 people cheer someone on to meet their goals, whatever they may be; to sacrifice themselves in order to help another, simply because they are their brother. Never have I seen such a large group of individuals learn to be themselves and grow into success. Never have I experienced a better group of people, and I am sorry that you will never have these joys.
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Submitted by mystiamoon (user info) at 2004-06-06 00:22:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by youarsoghey (user info) at 2004-06-06 00:16:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by PennyZcooL (user info) at 2004-06-06 00:07:57 (#)
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GREEKS FUKN RULE!!! half the words in the dictionary r greek re!!!
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This person obviously has no fucking clue what he's talking about. Moron.
Submitted by PennyZcooL (user info) at 2004-06-06 00:07:57 EDT (#)
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GREEKS FUKN RULE!!! half the words in the dictionary r greek re!!!
Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-05-22 15:09:25 EDT (#)
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Don't go flying off the handle when one of your inebriated "brothers" date rapes your drunken little sister.
Submitted by DenDen (user info) at 2004-05-14 07:46:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Zoidberg (user info) at 2004-05-14 06:41:13 EDT (#)
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wow, sounds like my type of school sarah
Submitted by kireisarah (user info) at 2004-05-14 01:57:02 EDT (#)
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Hah, Zoidberg--
My favorite description of frat boy sexuality I ever heard was regarding one particular frat on campus that has a surprising rate of gay/bi guys for not being really known as a "gay frat." I was talking about it with a good friend of mine and she said: "Oh, they're not really gay. They're just lazy and the guys are all right there. They'd have to get up for girls." Sadly, I think she was right. She had a story to back it up.
Submitted by DavyJones (user info) at 2004-05-14 00:35:15 EDT (#)
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ISU isn't the standard for academics? Fucking check yourself moron, better than 75% of schools out there easy. Top 5% engineering program, top vet school in the nation, many, many other things that are among the best.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-05-13 19:39:35 EDT (#)
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being in a fraternity doesn't make you cool. no one cares. you know what the great thing about stereotypes are? they are usually true.
Submitted by Spiral_Abraxis (user info) at 2004-05-13 19:28:54 EDT (#)
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I have mixed opinions on this.
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2004-05-13 19:24:04 EDT (#)
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ISU isnt the standard for academics.
Submitted by WiKi (user info) at 2004-05-13 19:13:41 EDT (#)
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+2 cuz i'm going to a frat party tonight.
soooo fun..
Submitted by Zoidberg (user info) at 2004-05-13 18:23:38 EDT (#)
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2.greeks are gay...
you're thinking of the ancient greek civilization. when people say "fraternity guys are gay" it's the same as when people say "cops were beat up as kids". it's a lame argument stated by an idiot, plain and simple. and it's always said by someone who just got their ass kicked by a cop. ironic...
Heh, they really are. I've messed around with SAE's, Kappa Sigs, hell. Had chances to mess around with a lot more, but skipped it, trying to be a good boy and all.
And this isn't San Francisco. I go to a Big 12 university in the south.
Something about the fraternity system just draws the boys with the freaky freaky in them, all that close male bonding I guess
Submitted by DavyJones (user info) at 2004-05-13 13:35:53 EDT (#)
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"It seems you're taking the 'best defense is a good offense' approach. I don't like the technique, and you need to realize that you eliminate a large group of potential supporters who were neither Greek, nor have a problem with Greeks. "
Appreciate the input NA, I think you are correct, but it't not something you think about at midnight ranting about something that has been building up for awhile. Everyone else who claimed I need to take a debate class, or learn to argue got pretty much brushed aside as a waste of space, because simply saying something without any bearing is weak. Thank you for making a real point.
and Loki, bitch please, you are a drugged up hippy buddist accountant, spare me the holier than thou "this explains a lot about you."
Submitted by bluerampage2 (user info) at 2004-05-13 11:42:15 EDT (#)
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I don't think I'd ever join a fraternity, but you make some really good points and it's all very well worded. Kudos.
Submitted by circle_of_willis (user info) at 2004-05-13 11:27:22 EDT (#)
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damn right.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-05-13 10:37:37 EDT (#)
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this explains a lot about you
good to know
Submitted by slowlyrotting (user info) at 2004-05-13 09:38:56 EDT (#)
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today is happy thursday so im not arguing with anyone. i'll say my piece then move on.
1.greeks major in easy courses...
nope, sorry. try cognitive science, architecture, literature, statistics, biology, nursing, etc.
2.greeks are gay...
you're thinking of the ancient greek civilization. when people say "fraternity guys are gay" it's the same as when people say "cops were beat up as kids". it's a lame argument stated by an idiot, plain and simple. and it's always said by someone who just got their ass kicked by a cop. ironic...
3.greeks buy their friends...
you make friends before you join the fraternity. if you dont fit in, you dont get initiated. that also goes the other way, if you dont like the group you dont have to join. but many more people are cut than quit on their own. and dues for most fraternities are much less than the cost of a single good party, so thats another ignorant argument.
4.greeks are pussies...
see #2 - here is one thing i've learned: people who call someone a "pussy" over the internet without being provoked to do so, are in fact, pussies themselves. i've never been called a pussy to my face in all my life. if you ever run into me in person you are more than welcome to call me a pussy. just don't be surprised when you get your ass kicked. then you can come back here and write a post about it!
Submitted by lawryde (user info) at 2004-05-13 09:22:48 EDT (#)
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It's cool you had a good experience in a frat, but I think the whole concept of fraternities is fucked up. It breaks down to little kids forming a tree house club and only inviting the people they want to it. Why does everyone have to be a member of something? People are so damn scared to be individuals and just hang out with whomever. I don't define myself by the institutions I've been or am a part of. Camaraderie is great, but when it becomes more about the entity than the person, that's fucked up.
Submitted by NotApologizing (user info) at 2004-05-13 08:51:30 EDT (#)
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It seems you're taking the 'best defense is a good offense' approach. I don't like the technique, and you need to realize that you eliminate a large group of potential supporters who were neither Greek, nor have a problem with Greeks.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2004-05-13 08:36:33 EDT (#)
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Yeah, those damn sweaty humus eating letches, what did they ever do for us except encourage homosexuality...wait, you mean something else dont you...never mind.
"Let us cavort like the ancient Greeks...you know the ones I mean"
HedonismBot, Futurama
Submitted by Bellebrown (user info) at 2004-05-13 06:22:41 EDT (#)
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Hey Hair! Im a classy chick - ask anyone who's seen my flyers in the phonebox.
As for you and your arguments Mr Pi Kappa Phi... the picture you paint is not one of high jinx and tom foolery that I have seen on my tv screens. I was led to believe that you are all jocks and you date the cheerleadering sorority where all the best looking girls are sisters.
Your post makes no mention of japes including covering people in tar and feathers, and stripping your brothers naked and leaving them in the street for all to see.
Instead you dirty your imagine in my mind by including date rapes, and how you instantly abandon your brother even though he is wrongly accused (great mates YOU lot are!). The only other thing that is of interest to me is the food... but you have a cook, which strikes me as an odd way to live away from your parents and learn about the real world.
So, for future reference, only post good things that do not upset my vision of the Frat houses... keep your posts to cross dressing, sheep fucking and sexy results.
Submitted by Hairsphincter (user info) at 2004-05-13 03:54:51 EDT (#)
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Nator, same-same, or so I hear.
We don't have them in Australia.
Submitted by Nator (user info) at 2004-05-13 03:44:46 EDT (#)
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What the hell is frat? That means 'wart' in Dutch, you know.
Submitted by Hairsphincter (user info) at 2004-05-13 03:36:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DavyJones (user info) at 2004-05-13 02:58:10 (#)
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"Do you know what is said of people who use the word "classy"?
They ain't got none. "
Interesting how my use of classy removes my class and in the same breath you finish out with "They ain't got none." Very intelligent statement.
Irony is lost on you, isn't it?
Submitted by Domochevsky (user info) at 2004-05-13 03:27:59 EDT (#)
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You backed up your points with data, as requested. The scope of that data is somewhat limited due to its inherent bias, but it supports your claims nonetheless. I may disagree with you, but your opinions are not why I rated this post in the first place, so have a +1 for supporting yourself.
Submitted by kireisarah (user info) at 2004-05-13 03:14:28 EDT (#)
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I may be biased, since I go to one of the most Greek-heavy schools in the Mid-Atlantic/New England area (Dartmouth College), but I generally agree with what you're saying. I'm not sure the way you're saying it is really convincing, but that's a different story.
The truth is, some frats have a bad rap and they totally deserve it. One frat on this campus (GDX) has a terrible reputation for being a place girls "go to get date-raped" and multiple others are currently on probation or have even been derecognized. We also proudly host the fraternity that Animal House was _based_ off of -- that's right, the frat the writer belonged to (AD).
But other frats are absolutely fantastic. The Greek scene makes up a huge part of life here and for a lot of people, without the frats, there would be absolutely NOTHING to do on the weekends. Some frats host, like David said, fundraisers or other special charity or awareness events (one fraternity, to make up for a gay-verbal-bashing incident, began hosting an annual gay awareness program called "Don't Yell Faggot From The Porch"); others just throw great parties, not all of which even involve drinking.
Having said that, in my opinion, the three best frats we have are the ones which have gone co-ed. But that is definitely my own personal opinion, as those three tend to get regarded as the "geeky" frats some of the time. However, they also have a much better relationship with the college, an incredibly low incidence of arrests/recorded crime, and a generally more satisfied (and smarter!) brother/sisterhood... all while cheerfully serving the finest drinks this side of New York and throwing some of the most ass-kicking parties on campus.
GO FRATS WOO!
Submitted by Zoidberg (user info) at 2004-05-13 03:03:16 EDT (#)
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I like frat guys. Yall are great in bed, and so many of you are into other guys :D
Its grrrrrrrrrrrrrreat!
Submitted by DavyJones (user info) at 2004-05-13 03:01:11 EDT (#)
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"Doesn't that strike you as unfair on the members? Especially the one whose case was completely disproved"
Yes Falconer, I believe this is horribly unjust. Unfortunately public opinion is so low that even 1 time happenings can shut down a house, we could not take the heat throughout the court preceding, and had to do it.
Submitted by DavyJones (user info) at 2004-05-13 02:59:29 EDT (#)
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Worm, I can respect you not believing this post is worth your time, especially when you didn't just rate is poorly because I am pro Greek.
Submitted by Falconer (user info) at 2004-05-13 02:59:08 EDT (#)
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'Even so, in both cases, we immediately disbanded all ties with the 2 members in question.'
Doesn't that strike you as unfair on the members? Especially the one whose case was completely disproved.
Submitted by DavyJones (user info) at 2004-05-13 02:58:10 EDT (#)
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"Do you know what is said of people who use the word "classy"?
They ain't got none. "
Interesting how my use of classy removes my class and in the same breath you finish out with "They ain't got none." Very intelligent statement.
Submitted by DavyJones (user info) at 2004-05-13 02:56:01 EDT (#)
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"You tell people not to base their opinions on one experience, and then you base yours on your own subjective viewpoint. WTF? Your sampling method is flawed, and your argument is pointless drivel that every frat boy will regurgitate to justify their brotherhood. "
I base my argument on not only my experiences, but also statistics. You can't show me a statistic that says "frat boys are 30% more likely to be a jackass."
"I'm not against fraternities, I'm against idiots. Many frats/sororities [at my school] have a large amount of them, so indirectly you could say I hate the Greek system here. I don't have any experience with the system outside of my university; so to say I hate them all is a broad stroke.
What I do hate are people who will mindlessly try to rationalize the negative behavior of other groups like themselves. So your frat helped the community; great, have a cookie from your professional chef. "
While some see jello wrestling as a negative, I certainly would not.
"As to a +.4 GPA for Greek students; you didn't support this claim with any data. You could be taking Math 101 and pass with an A, while a Calc. student passes with a C and you'd still be better of in the GPA calculation, without any additional knowledge or skills. You're obviously not passing debate class. "
Interestingly enough Computer Engineers don't have to take debate classes, but this isn't a debate, this is me ranting about generic hatred towards the Greek community. As for backing my claims up...
http://www.greek.iastate.edu/Resources/FAQ/faqframe.htm
The 4th link down on this will clearly show its cheaper to live Greek than on campus.
Then if you go recources -> annual reports -> academic report -> you can see clearly year by year how Greek consistently out performs non Greek.
"Could that be because of the slanted hiring practices afforded to some Greek students in the job market due to connections made during their <stereotyping> binge-drinking, date-raping 4 years taking remedial earth science 1a </stereotyping>? "
Well, it could be, but doubtful because that would be bad business. We are both unable to prove much on this point, but speculatively, maybe people hire Greek because in the past their Greek employees have done well?
"Basically the gist of your post is that Greek = GOOD. Stereotyping = BAD, and then you go ahead and stereotype those who oppose your claim. Idiot.
-2 for being completely unable to support your argument with anything that isn't mindless subjective conjecture. Back yourself up with some objective analysis next time. That .4 extra GPA didn't come from basic expository writing, did it? "
Your linked proof is above, I consider myself backed up.
Submitted by SPE (user info) at 2004-05-13 02:49:17 EDT (#)
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hooah
Submitted by DavyJones (user info) at 2004-05-13 02:36:16 EDT (#)
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No Domo, it came from hardcore engineering courses. Expository writing would be a breeze in comparison.
Submitted by Hairsphincter (user info) at 2004-05-13 02:34:40 EDT (#)
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"...we often have formal events where we dress classy..."
Do you know what is said of people who use the word "classy"?
They ain't got none.
Submitted by Domochevsky (user info) at 2004-05-13 02:29:40 EDT (#)
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"Honestly, if you are going to base everything on one experience, or what you have read about, heard about, saw on TV then you really aren't someone whose opinion I give a fuck about. This is honestly akin to racism."
You tell people not to base their opinions on one experience, and then you base yours on your own subjective viewpoint. WTF? Your sampling method is flawed, and your argument is pointless drivel that every frat boy will regurgitate to justify their brotherhood.
I'm not against fraternities, I'm against idiots. Many frats/sororities [at my school] have a large amount of them, so indirectly you could say I hate the Greek system here. I don't have any experience with the system outside of my university; so to say I hate them all is a broad stroke.
What I do hate are people who will mindlessly try to rationalize the negative behavior of other groups like themselves. So your frat helped the community; great, have a cookie from your professional chef.
As to a +.4 GPA for Greek students; you didn't support this claim with any data. You could be taking Math 101 and pass with an A, while a Calc. student passes with a C and you'd still be better of in the GPA calculation, without any additional knowledge or skills. You're obviously not passing debate class.
And "The average rate of employment non Greek vs. Greek is also clearly in favor of Greek graduates."
Could that be because of the slanted hiring practices afforded to some Greek students in the job market due to connections made during their <stereotyping> binge-drinking, date-raping 4 years taking remedial earth science 1a </stereotyping>?
Basically the gist of your post is that Greek = GOOD. Stereotyping = BAD, and then you go ahead and stereotype those who oppose your claim. Idiot.
-2 for being completely unable to support your argument with anything that isn't mindless subjective conjecture. Back yourself up with some objective analysis next time. That .4 extra GPA didn't come from basic expository writing, did it?
Submitted by Worm (user info) at 2004-05-13 02:25:42 EDT (#)
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As stated in the "inspired by" article, frat boys tend to be in bullshit majors. Maybe their boosted GPA is due to the fact that many of their classes require little more than a pulse to do well in.
As much as I'd like to point out the obvious some more, judging by the other reviews, your arguments sucked and are not worth my reading, much less my responding.
nighty night.
-Wo|2M
Submitted by Worm (user info) at 2004-05-13 02:21:04 EDT (#)
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Homer: I suppose you want to probe me. Well, you might as well get
it over with.
Kang: Stop! We have reached the limits of what rectal probing can
teach us.
Treehouse of Horror VII
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Maybe Kang never got around to telling the frat boys.
-Wo|2M
Submitted by Disektor (user info) at 2004-05-13 02:05:21 EDT (#)
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Why don't those stupid idiots let me in their crappy club for jerks?
-- Homer Simpson
Homer the Great
Ah the Simpsons.. how I love thee..
Submitted by Falco (user info) at 2004-05-13 01:59:31 EDT (#)
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Frats are gay. Sorry but they are, they are a bunch of fucking pussies.
Submitted by YourDadGuido (user info) at 2004-05-13 01:58:58 EDT (#)
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Take a debate class, Frat Kid.
Your arguments are about as strong as Scientology's.
Submitted by KoolMang (user info) at 2004-05-13 01:49:47 EDT (#)
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I hate Greeks, and I hate you.
Fraternities, especially. Abandon the caste system!
Submitted by Optimus_Prime (user info) at 2004-05-13 01:18:07 EDT (#)
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Mmmm. Gyros.
Submitted by DavyJones (user info) at 2004-05-13 01:13:48 EDT (#)
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Directly inspired by slowlyrotting's post, as well as the reviews.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/32848