RE: Emo vs. Metal (and all other music) (5013 hits)
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Submitted by BleedTheSky (View user info) at 2004-05-24 22:44:30 EDT
http://www.ubersite.com/m/34003
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I was originally going to make this a comment to the post linked here, but it got too long.
Uberuser "Mike Stone" really hit upon something when he said Breaks My Heart Sucks. For those of you who don't know (probably all of you), Breaks My Heart is a stereotypical "emo" band from South-Eastern Maine. Maybe Mikey here should have used a more universally known "emo" band to prove his point, and left out 3 Days Grace, as where they are also Mallcore. They're not even mallcore. They're pussified mallcore, if that is even possible.
Anyone who said they liked all the bands mentioned in Mike's post have no right to criticize him for his musical tastes (however, feel free to criticize his inability to write). And instead of trying to one-up each other on who is REALLY metal, why not just try to list off a bunch of good bands? Testament, Morbid Angel, Slayer, Metallica, cool. Whatever. Most of the variations of Metal are pretty cool. And while emo might not exactly be my cup of tea, if anyone who likes it can prove themselves of actual musical knowledge, or at least knowing their motherfucking roots, then MAYBE they can be taken seriously. Maybe.
Don't leave messages that say "*listens to Arch Enemy/Pink Floyd/Cattle Decapitation*". This isn't a fucking musical rpg chatroom. With that said...
*BleedTheSky Goes to the bathroom*
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Submitted by A-Daamage (user info) at 2004-07-03 18:11:59 EDT (#)
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Alright, since we've had such a lengthy discussion on this post, I decided to start my own post as a sort of follow up to the discussion here:
http://www.ubersite.com/m/37426
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-06-26 02:06:37 EDT (#)
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I'm bored and semi-concious, so I'm going to aimlessly list some of my favorite albums
Old School
Death - Human (no brainer)
Death - Individual Thought patterns (Andy Larouque of King Diamond is a badass, it's got a barefoot hippie fretless bass player and Gene Hoglan on drums - what's not to like?
Death - Spiritual Healing (only because James Murphy kicks ass)
Obituary Cause of Death (again, James Murphy)
Cannibal Corpse - The Bleeding - Because I said so god dammit
Morbid Angel - Covenant - Sworn to the Black should be a staple of Death Metal fans everywhere
Deicide - Once Upon the Cross - because it's the first album where a "Deicide solo" didn't mean playing complete nonsense as fast as humany possible
Pyrexia - Sermon of Mockery (pioneers of NY style Death Metal)
Malevolent Creation - Retribution - because it was the precurser to much of the shit you hear today
Suffocation -Any and all, they rule
New School
Dying Fetus - Killing on Adrenaline -just listen to it, needs no explanation
Deeds of Flesh - Path of the Weakening -because no one else liked it, because it's not Trading Pieces or Inbreeding, and because it's their most melodic album
Lunatic Invasion - Totentanz - Weird technical death metal
Demilich - Nespithe - Most gutteral vocals ever...more so than old Disgorged
Iniquity - Seranadium -Five Across the Eyes was pretty good, but this is better
Panzerchrist - Just fucking weird brutal shit
Anata - The Infernal Depths of Hatred - Amped up At the Gates Style sound
Anasarca -God Machine - Melodic Cannibal Corpse style tremelos
Submitted by A-Daamage (user info) at 2004-06-26 01:03:59 EDT (#)
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While I concur that Ripper and Halford have power, they are also really fucking annoying. I actually preferred Barlow's vocals. I think Iced Earth now sound too derivative of other power metal bands with Ripper at the mic. Something Wicked is the only power metal I've ever heard that didn't make me cringe from the butt-clench, rod-of-dry-ice-up-the-anus vocals.
No one on Earth has more vocal power, stamina and honest passion than Devin Townsend, no one. He actually blacked out over a dozen times from screaming so hard in the recording booth. It's almost frightening to hear the towering amount of rage in his vocals on Strapping Young Lad's album City. He was so stressed out that he actually lost the hair on the front half of his head. For his Infinity album, he recorded over 200 different vocals and it took over a year to make. Sometimes it sounds like a 1000-man choir blasting through the speakers. Devin is and probably always will be the shit. The first song off the Infinity album, Truth, is the most overwhleming song I have ever heard. There is SO much going on, and yet it all works together perfectly. Since I lack a better analogy right now, the best I can describe listening to it is like trying to stare at the face of God. No, I'm not trying to push religion onto anyone. I'm just trying to illustrate how immensely powerful this song is. Anyways, I've been really sick the last couple of days, so I'm heading to bed. Later guys.
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-06-24 17:51:21 EDT (#)
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I'm guessing you've never been to the Phantasy. There's two clubs there actually, The Phantasy and the Symposium, one is upstairs, one is down, I can never remember which is which. Not a bad venue, still not the greatest place to see a show, especially if you're coming all the way from Indy.
Submitted by godking (user info) at 2004-06-24 17:21:32 EDT (#)
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I misread the dates, and bought Cleveland tickets thinking it was a Sunday. I figured it didn't matter, until a month later when Ozzfest dates were announced, and it was one day after. I should have gotten Chicago tickets, being 2 hours closer. As for operatic vocals- there's probably at least a dozen bands who've been doing it longer. Theater of Tragedy, Tristania, and Sins of Thy Beloved to name a few.
Nightwish and Lullacry in the US:
19.08.2004 TROCADERO Philadelphia USA
20.08.2004 MASS PALLADIUM Worcester USA
22.08.2004 B.B.KING´S BLUES CLUB New York USA
23.08.2004 PHANTASY THEATRE Cleveland USA
25.08.2004 HOUSE OF BLUES Chicago USA
26.08.2004 QUEST CLUB Minneapolis USA
28.08.2004 CERVANTES Denver USA
30.08.2004 CAJUN HOUSE Phoenix, Arizona USA
31.08.2004 HOUSE OF BLUES Anaheim (Disneyland) USA
02.09.2004 HOUSE OF BLUES Los Angeles USA
03.09.2004 SLIM´S San Francisco USA
05.09.2004 GRACELAND Seattle USA
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2004-06-24 17:11:26 EDT (#)
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Warrell Dane.
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-06-24 17:09:05 EDT (#)
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Nightwish is playing in Cleveland? Where? I've got some friends up there who think Evanescence is the first and only metal (witholding laughter) band to have operatic vocals. I'll have to send them.
Submitted by godking (user info) at 2004-06-24 16:52:06 EDT (#)
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Bleed the Sky: Ever heard Judas Priests "Painkiller" album? Bondage or not, that album kicks ass.
A-Damage: When you mention the most powerful vocalists, you can't forget Halford or Ripper Owens. Owens is all over the place on Iced Earth's "Glorious Burden." Of course, I wouldn't be a fan if I didn't mention Jon Oliva among great vocalists. Geoff Tate may be the best I've seen live.
This year's Ozzfest does offer their best overall lineup ever. However, if I do go, I'll miss half the show, since I'm seeing Nightwish in Cleveland the night before, and its a long drive back to Indy. Damn scheduling!
GK
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-06-23 22:21:20 EDT (#)
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Anybody like Mars Volta?
www.themarsvolta.com
Submitted by A-Daamage (user info) at 2004-06-23 03:28:30 EDT (#)
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Verbatim from the CD case:
"Darkest Hour is:
Mike Schleibaum - guitar
Paul Burnette - bass
Kris Norris - guitar
Ryan Parrish - drums
John Henry - vocals
piano performed by Kris Norris"
I'm not giving you shit, just setting the record straight. And the solos are performed by Peter Wichers of Soilwork and Marcus Sunesson of The Crown. Great fucking song. Also, I am getting sick of seeing Tomas Lindberg on every fucking new metal project that comes out. The Crown, Disfear, The Great Deceiver, Nightrage, Lock-Up and now this. He's not that great. Yes, At The Gates helped spearhead a new movement, but Slaughter Of The Soul has been outplayed by the likes of both Soilwork (The Chainheart Machine) and The Crown (Deathrace King). It's not the best metal album ever.
This is the same case as people who still insist that Rain In Blood is the best metal album ever. Sorry, but dozens of bands have made much better albums since, including Slaughter Of The Soul. Tom Araya is a very mediocre vocalist. I've gotten so much shit for putting down Araya, but I don't care. He doesn't have a powerful voice. Just a lot of monotone pitch yelling with no real strength behind it. The most powerful vocalists are guys like Devin Townsend (Strapping Young Lad's album City), Mikael Åkerfeldt (Opeth's My Arms, Your Hearse), Jesse David Leach (Killswitch Engage's Alive or Just Breathing), Anders Friden (In Flames, mostly on Colony), etc. And I know I'll get shit to no end for this, but Maynard James Keenan as well. When I saw him perform with a perfect circle, he unleashed some pretty frightening screams, almost on par with Devin Townsend for sheer volume and sustain. When he wants to, Maynard can really belt it out. He let one go during The Outsider (the "coalesce" line) that floored me. I quickly looked at my watch and timed it at about 18 seconds, no shitting. And it was fucking RAW. Much more powerful than the scream he lets loose on the beginning of Ticks & Leeches on Lateralus. Ok, I'm getting too worked up again. Shit, I think this post is already close to a thousand hits thanks to us metal nerds camping out on it.
Basically, what I'm saying is that what I like most about metal is as soon as someone puts out an album that you think is the pinnacle of awesome, another metal band comes out and leaves it in the dust. I never have to worry about getting bored with metal.
Submitted by BleedTheSky (user info) at 2004-06-22 13:35:15 EDT (#)
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Hmm... The credits int he book of the Hidden Hands CD says the singer wrote the whole song. But now that you mention it, I think it does say "Keyboards doen by: 'Guitarist's Name'" or something to that effect.
Oh. And I get two see Slayer again in 2 and a half weeks. Hell yeah.
I can't seem to shake this Metalcore binge I've been on lately. I've been listening to it exclusively (with the exception of the bands Hatebreed, Darkest Hour, and Remembering Never). And that reminds me. This is the first year that Ozzfest shouldn't be pure shit. I mean, if you can deal with all those hardcore dancing faggots that will swarm the second stage. But I', lookign forward to Sabbath and Slayer, Hatebreed, Darkest Hour. Oh man. And oh yeah. Fuck Judas Priest. I hate Halford. Have you ever seen that music video he did for his solo project with dudes all in skin tight spandex? Seriously. I don't know why these fuckers don't understand that metal and bondage do not go hand in hand. And that remonds me of gothic kids. I won't even get started ib that.
Submitted by A-Daamage (user info) at 2004-06-22 11:17:35 EDT (#)
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Actually, I believe it was I who mentioned Soilent Green, not that it matters. But they are quite good. They successfully blend grind, death and southern sludge very well.
Submitted by godking (user info) at 2004-06-22 11:05:59 EDT (#)
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I love melacholy music if it's done right, and to me, Damnation is one of coolest "drive around in the rain" CD's."
Have you ever listened to Tiamat? "A Deeper Kind of Slumber" is the definition of melancholy.
GK
Submitted by godking (user info) at 2004-06-22 10:50:12 EDT (#)
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Wow...I've missed out on some stuff.
I actually like Rhapsody, just because they have a goofy style, but at least own up to it. I'm not sure they're good enough to get me to buy their music, but that's what KaZaA's for.
DMD mentioned Soilent Green. Are they worthwhile? They were supposed to open a Gwar show I went to, but were in an auto accident on the way to the show.
By the way, anyone here who hasn't seen GWAR live is missing the best show there is!
GK
Submitted by A-Daamage (user info) at 2004-06-21 17:24:46 EDT (#)
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I love melacholy music if it's done right, and to me, Damnation is one of coolest "drive around in the rain" CD's.
Dude, that last track off of Hidden Hands is amazing. That song has probably my favorite piano line ever written. It instantly sends shivers along my skin. One of the guitarists wrote/played that piano line, and from what I've read, he's really going to show off his playing ability on both guitar and piano for the next CD. I can't remember where he went to school, but I know he's been taught by some of the best musicians in this country.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2004-06-21 15:04:41 EDT (#)
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"I picture them running around on stage wearing Viking Helmets."
ahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-06-21 11:52:05 EDT (#)
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The worst example is easily Rhapsody: symphonic epic hollywood metal
Yeah, I guess I just brought that up because when I hear them I picture them running around on stage wearing Viking Helmets. They sound like Gwar if Gwar was power metal.
Submitted by BleedTheSky (user info) at 2004-06-21 11:49:03 EDT (#)
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The Amon Amarth Vs. The World CD (I think that's the cd title) owns.
And I dislike Opeth's Damnation CD not because of it lacking the elements of "metal", but because it bores the fuck out of me. I mean, look at Blackwater Park, for instance. It had acoustic elements as well, but more importantly, it had dynamics. It was fun to listen to. Damnation, to me, sounded monotonous and I quickly became bored. Considering that Deliverance and Damnation were recorded in the same session, they should have integrated the songs together to try to recreate some of the dynamics on their earlier work.
I seriously can't get enough of the band Darkest Hour. The instrumental Veritas, Aequitas is fucking badass. There are collabs from the likes of the Haunted and I think (though I'm not sure) Soilwork. It's an amazing piece of music.
I don't really give a fuck if Chimaira is a "money machine". I've always thought they were a good band from their earliest material. They were never popular up unitl last year. I don't even care if they are considered metal. It means nothing to me. I mean, I listen to a few nu-metal bands because I think they have good music. Thats what music is about. Who gives a fuck if its metal? Good music is good music. I like Spineshank, Reveille, The Union Underground, Mudvayne. Whatever. It isn't really a big deal.
On a lighter note, the Bled is awesome. But from what I hear, they've broken up. Too bad. And seriously, don't EVER buy the Freya cd. I don't give a fuck what Blistering.com says, that cd sucked nut.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2004-06-21 01:05:00 EDT (#)
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Well, that merits a neener neener neener, because I've had Borknagar's latest for about a week now. Thank you, suprnova!
Sidenote: I would buy it, but I have no money, so fuck you, elitist anti-download zealots, because money (lack thereof) should not get in the way of a music fan being exposed to music.
Bands I've discovered or been exposed to through downloading bit torrents: Amon Amarth, Darkane, Einherjer, Finntroll, Graveworm, Moonspell, Sanctuary, Soilent Green, Suffocation, Testament, Thyrfing.
Band's whose discography I've augmented or completed through downloading bit torrents: Behemoth, Borknagar, Celtic Frost, CoB, Dead Kennedys, Deicide, Dimmu Borgir (completed), Emperor (completed), Immolation, Immortal (completed), Krisiun, Morbid Angel (completed), Nevermore (completed), Nile (completed), Pink Floyd, Samael, Vintersorg.
Think they're pissed that they didn't get their 17.95 per CD or do you think they're happy they have another fan?
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Submitted by Degreeless_Capibara (user info) at 2004-06-21 00:25:24 EDT (#)
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What the hell is Emo?
Submitted by A-Daamage (user info) at 2004-06-21 00:19:31 EDT (#)
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Hahaha, yah the genre defining has started to spin out of control.
The worst example is easily Rhapsody: symphonic epic hollywood metal
Seriously, what the fuck is that? Just call it shit metal. Rhapsody is just terrible. And I think the new Borknagar comes out Tuesday, at least according to their website, if my memory serves correct.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2004-06-20 17:12:34 EDT (#)
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Bleh, Finntroll is more Tolkienesque mythology metal now that I think about it, not Nordic mythology metal. Man, does it really need to get that specific??
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2004-06-19 01:16:22 EDT (#)
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Oooh, Amon Amarth. I just starting listening to them because Martin Lopez used to be their drummer. I have The Avenger, The Crusher, and Once Sent from the Golden Hall. Pretty good stuff.
I would say Viking metal includes Thyrfing, Vintersorg, Einherjer, and Finntroll, to name the ones I have on my playlist. All of which are badass. Speaking of Vintersorg, anyone have the new Borknagar CD yet?
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-06-19 00:54:27 EDT (#)
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Would Rhapsody be considered Viking metal?
Submitted by A-Daamage (user info) at 2004-06-19 00:30:27 EDT (#)
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I have Amon Amarth's The Avenger CD. It's not bad. I've heard if you're into Viking Metal, Thyrfing are the shit, but I don't know as I have yet to hear them. I also believe that my favorite black/death band, Naglfar, took their name from Norse mythology. If I remember right, it's the ship of the dead, made from the fingernails of dead soldiers or something like that and is helmed by a giant. Mythology rules. Only in mythology can you find such fucked up stories. Mythology is like the equivalent of The Jerry Springer show for ancient races.
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-06-19 00:23:59 EDT (#)
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Ha! What would you consider Viking Metal?
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2004-06-19 00:13:36 EDT (#)
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Anyone like Viking metal?
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-06-17 15:58:03 EDT (#)
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When I say similar to Candiria, I mean without the rapping. More like old school Candiria. Typical of the Cleveland metal scene, bands like Keelhaul if anyone's ever heard of them.
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-06-17 15:55:31 EDT (#)
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A-Daamage - No, can't say I have. The name sounds familiar.
Hey everyone, if you get a chance, check these guys out.
http://www.afewaskew.com/MP3.htm
These are some really good friends of mine that just put out their new demo. It might be a little too "hardcore" for some of you, but they're different, and I think it's some really awesome shit. Very similar to Candiria, with some occasional odd time stuff like Meshuggah. Both the tracks available for download kick some fucking ass if you're into that kind of music.
Got to pimp the underground.
Later,
Env
Submitted by A-Daamage (user info) at 2004-06-17 02:02:50 EDT (#)
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Ugh, I've been doing nothing but work for the past few days, but now I've got some free time so I'll check it out in a little bit.
Have you heard The Black Dahlia Murder? I got to meet those guys at the Minnesota Metalfest this Spring. Really cool guys and fuckin killer melodic death/thrash/grind.
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-06-15 21:02:02 EDT (#)
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Did you get a chance to check that track?
Submitted by A-Daamage (user info) at 2004-06-15 20:52:33 EDT (#)
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Hahaha, yah, I might as well follow suit. We're like those train jumpers that sometimes show up at local band shows if the venue is close enough to the tracks. Fuckin can't get rid of 'em.
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-06-14 20:00:29 EDT (#)
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Oh, and have another +2 Bleed the Sky since I'm camping on your post.
Submitted by I_Have_a_Kristen_Fetish (user info) at 2004-06-14 19:58:13 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-06-14 19:49:22 EDT (#)
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most of my anger is fueled by the constant stream of titanically stupid people I run into each and every day
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Yeah, used to get to me too, especially if I'm (ahem) unmedicated. Writing about it helps too. (See The Customer's Always Right volumes I through...)
Dennis Leary kicks ass. I was watching Suicide Kings the other day and he just cracks me up. The Ref too. And of course his wonderful song, "I'm an asshole..."
Submitted by A-Daamage (user info) at 2004-06-14 17:41:23 EDT (#)
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Cool, I'll check that out.
Yes, I've read research on mood being affected by weather, but personally, most of my anger is fueled by the constant stream of titanically stupid people I run into each and every day. But, whenever I feel I'm going to lose it after a particularly bad run-in with said stupid people, I pop in a Denis Leary stand-up album for a laugh or a Strapping Young Lad CD for a release. Of course, if I'm at home, I just plug into the 5150, crank it up to 4 and go nuts for an hour.
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-06-14 09:41:18 EDT (#)
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Yes, but I don't have any good samples up at this time, particularly not in the vein of the music being discussed. Somewhere along the line, probably not too long after moving from freary northeast Ohio to sunny NC I stopped being pissed off and wanting to kill myself, and stopped playing metal. Weather does indeed change moods. (I have no explaination for the Fla death metal scene. LA we can blame on traffic.
The best sample I could provide would be this piece of shit track I was tooling around with. It's not even a song really, just some sequencing and layering I was fucking around with. It's pretty simple shit.
www.unsoundmusic.com/Songs/NewTrackFeb28.ogg (Winamp)
Everything you hear is me. The drums are programmed, which sort of limits my ability to do anything with cool /odd time signatures like Meshuggah, etc. As far as the rest of the site, most of the links are outdated but I hope to revamp it soon and get up some new shit. I still write technical metal riffs but can't find enough people that can play them to form a band so I put out cheesey shit like the track above.
Submitted by A-Daamage (user info) at 2004-06-14 02:35:41 EDT (#)
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Envenom:
Do you have a website or demos for your projects? As for myself, I have exactly zero prospects around here. I live in the upper midwest. I mention things like Opeth, Devin Townsend, Soilwork, Type O Negative, etc. as my influences/what I listen to, and I get nothing but blank stares most of the time. If it's not on MTV or radio, almost no one has a clue. And why do they still call it MTV when it has almost nothing to do with music anymore? ::sigh::
Oh well, I just keep saving up and buying new equipment and as soon as I graduate college, I'm probably going to move out to Portland, OR. I have a few metalhead friends out there who moved there from here a few years ago and they know a bunch of people itching to start heavy projects. Alright, time to crack open a beer. Later guys.
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-06-12 15:22:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Spiral_Abraxis (user info) at 2004-06-12 03:33:30 (#)
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Haha, this has 666 hits.
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Damn, 680 now. I'm sorry I missed that.
A-Daamage
Scarve, huh? I'll have to check them out. I'm sorry to say I've been so consumed with my own projects I haven't been very up on the metal scene in the last 3 or 4 years.
Submitted by Spiral_Abraxis (user info) at 2004-06-12 03:33:30 EDT (#)
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Haha, this has 666 hits.
Submitted by A-Daamage (user info) at 2004-06-12 03:03:28 EDT (#)
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Envenom:
I compare them because I'm pretty sure they're both considered technical death metal, although Cryptopsy is more rooted in old-school, brutal death metal, ala Deicide and Entombed while Theory In Practice are more rooted in the Dream Theater-on-PCP meets Meshuggah sound. They're both blazing with talent, but Theory seems more interested in obliterating boundries than obliterating your speakers.
A newer band that is taking the Theory sound and refining it through the Darkane/Strapping Young Lad filter is Scarve. Their drummer really impressed me. They still need time to focus on finding their sound, but Irradiant is still quite cool. Of course, no drummer can touch Peter Wildoer of Darkane, but that's another subject. Seriously, listen to his fills on Rusted Angel, especially A Wisdom's Breed and Frenetic Visions. He throws some of the craziest cymbal fills I've ever heard in between the tom/snare fills. And he's so daam PRECISE. The first time I heard the album, I thought it was a drum machine. And that album is by far the best drum sound Dan Bergstrand has ever recorded. Crisp, crystal clear, every part of the set shines through the mix. Just amazing. I would kill to see Darkane live.
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-06-11 10:46:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by A-Daamage (user info) at 2004-06-11 02:25:54 (#)
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DMD, if you're into grind/death like Suffocation, you have to get Dying Fetus's Destroy The Opposition
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Killing on Adrenaline is much better than Destroy the Opposition.
Cephalic Carnage is awesome too.
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-06-11 10:45:35 EDT (#)
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Interesting comparing Theory in Practice to Cryptopsy. I don't really see it but they're both great bands. Whisper Supremacy is an awesome album.
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-06-11 10:44:36 EDT (#)
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Breeding the Spawn is nice. Suffo is/was the shit.
Submitted by godking (user info) at 2004-06-11 10:33:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by A-Daamage :
"Best In Flames: Colony. And My Sweet Shadow rocks anything off of Reroute. The rest of Soundtrack is pretty mediocre. I will never understand the insane hype about Clayman. Swim was awesome, but that's about it. Colony and Jester Race are their best. Embody The Invisible makes me want to rip my room apart."
Colony and Jester Race are both every bit as good as Clayman. Pinball Map, though, may be In Flames best song- at least in my opinion. Hopefully I'm wrong, but In Flames may have peaked with those 3 albums and Soundtrack to Your Escape may be the beginning of the end for them.
GK
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2004-06-11 03:10:30 EDT (#)
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Yeah, I've determined that Suffocation is awesome.
Submitted by dakingisdead (user info) at 2004-06-11 02:39:06 EDT (#)
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WOW there has been so much shit written on this post.
Guess what none of it means a fucking thing apart from the fact that you all have opinions.
Nice.
Submitted by A-Daamage (user info) at 2004-06-11 02:28:12 EDT (#)
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Oh, and Funeral Inception off of Despise The Sun is a great Suffocation tune if you want to check that out.
Submitted by A-Daamage (user info) at 2004-06-11 02:25:54 EDT (#)
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DMD, if you're into grind/death like Suffocation, you have to get Dying Fetus's Destroy The Opposition, Soilent Green's Sewn Mouth Secrets, Cephalic Carnage's Lucid Interval, or just sift through 80% of Relapse's catalog.
Other noteworthy mentions: Origin - Informas, Infinitas, Inhumanitas (note - insane drumming); Nasum - Helvete (note - epitome of grind); Mastodon - Remission (note - band name says it all; lumbering, heavier-than-lead dark/ambient metal)
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2004-06-11 02:16:33 EDT (#)
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'Souls to Deny' and 'Breeding the Spawn' are now in progress. Any good?
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2004-06-11 02:11:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by BleedTheSky (user info) at 2004-06-10 01:15:14 (#)
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Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2004-05-25 01:17:43 (#)
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Point taken.........contemplated.................disregarded.
Tool isn't metal, guy who said Tool is metal. They're pseudo-intellectual prog/hard rock for goths and Starbucks-going poet rebels.
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Seems ironic that you're still commenting (not that I have a problem with it or anything).
I think I may have misread the post because looking back i don't see why I would have -2ed it. This'll even it out.
Anyway, I have to say The Drapery Falls is my favorite Opeth song. The Leper Affinity, When, Advent, and Forest of October are up there too.
Damnation had to grow on me a bit, but I still think it's a fine effort. The vocals are beautiful, and the melancholic atmosphere (mellotrons) is nice to listen to. I do get a little bored with the similar picked-chord riffs (verse riff of Windowpane and first riff of Hope Leaves are almost exactly the same in different keys).
Envenom:
My internet thing wasn't fucked up, I was just visiting a friend and not bringing my computer. Either way, I'm now leaving school for summer vacation tomorrow morning and thus goes my T1 line. I think I'll go look for some Suffo bit torrents right now.
Submitted by A-Daamage (user info) at 2004-06-11 01:48:40 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
Best In Flames: Colony. And My Sweet Shadow rocks anything off of Reroute. The rest of Soundtrack is pretty mediocre. I will never understand the insane hype about Clayman. Swim was awesome, but that's about it. Colony and Jester Race are their best. Embody The Invisible makes me want to rip my room apart.
Why do so many people hate Damnation? It's amazing. "It's not metal so it sucks." Fuckin A people, open up a little. Some of Mike's best singing, outside of MAYH and Blackwater.
Diecast kicks ass but hardcore gets boring real fast. How many "jump-da-fuck-up" riffs can you write? I actually used to like Hatebreed before every jock in the world found out about them through Headbanger's Ball and now I can't go to a metal show without a bunch of meatheads trying to cram "Hatebreed rules, yo!" down my throat. Ugh.
Theory In Practice is NUTS. They blow Cryptopsy out of the water. Armageddon Theories destroys.
Soilwork is supposedly writing their next album. They had the drummer from Scarve playing live, but I don't know if they have a replacement for Henry yet. I don't count the guy from Ebony Tears who left to join the money-machine, Chimaira. Fuck Chimaira. Fuck them and their stupid butt-metal choreography.
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-06-10 18:38:57 EDT (#)
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Envenom: I've heard Meshuggah was lighter on earlier albums. A band that starts light and gets heavier.....doing it backwards I guess.
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I don't know that lighter is quite the way to put it, just less melodic. The vocals have definitely progressed though. He used to sound like a bad impression of James Hetfield. At least now he's got his own style. I used to hate the vocs but they've really grown on me over the years.
Submitted by BleedTheSky (user info) at 2004-06-10 01:15:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2004-05-25 01:17:43 (#)
Ranking: -2
Point taken.........contemplated.................disregarded.
Tool isn't metal, guy who said Tool is metal. They're pseudo-intellectual prog/hard rock for goths and Starbucks-going poet rebels.
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Seems ironic that you're still commenting (not that I have a problem with it or anything).
Anyone heard of Anterrabae? I saw them live with Atreyu and the looked like they had the potential to rock the house.
Don't ever see Eighteen Visions. I don't care what their albums sound like. Their onstage flagrant homosexuality is only a knotch below a Halford video. Seriously.
Side note: is it immoral that I wear a stolen Linkin Park tshirt beneath my work shirt at Wendy's so I don't get (visible) pit stains? I mean, I didn't exactly BUY it, and there ARE holes in it. Just wondering...
Submitted by godking (user info) at 2004-06-09 16:41:10 EDT (#)
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DMD: The age thing sucks. I missed a chance to see Criss Oliva with Savatage because I wasn't 21, and he was killed a few months later. The Drapery Falls is my favorite Opeth so far.
Bleed: I liked the new Arch Enemy. I also like In Flames "Reroute to Remain" as controversial as it is. Then again, I think Clayman is their masterpiece. I bought "Soundtrack to your Escape" and it sucks ass. Not one song stands out. Its all filler. I dl'ed a Diecast song and liked what I heard with them. DT story was funny.
Envenom: I've heard Meshuggah was lighter on earlier albums. A band that starts light and gets heavier.....doing it backwards I guess.
I saw Lacuna Coil Friday with POD, Hazen Street, and Blindside. LC played first, with only six songs and a bassed up soundsystem that wrecked the first 3 before it was corrected. I'd never heard of Hazen ST. who was mediocre, or BLindside who was the third worst band I have ever seen. POD was better than the last time I saw them on Ozzfest 2000, but that's not saying much. LC was much better with Opeth. LC shouldn't tour with crap like these other bands.
GK
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-06-09 15:27:54 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by BleedTheSky (user info) at 2004-06-07 22:53:05 (#)
Ranking: 0
And maybe I'm hostile towards Dream Theatre because I was at this show one time where Audioblack played. I don't know if you've ever heard Audioblack, but they are pure shit. Some kid wearing a Dream Theatre shirt told me I was an idiot for not liking Audioblack, so I cracked him an elbow in the face when the next band (whom I don't remember) started playing.
True story.
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Awesome
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-06-09 15:27:13 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Also, anyone who likes technical music should check out the following:
www.spasticink.com
www.coinmonster.com
Theory in Practice is another band that (at least on their older shit, before the lineup changes) takes flavors of Meshuggah, Cynic and Death. (And maybe a little bit of Carnal Forge -what we in the metal industry like to call "music to chop wood by")
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-06-09 15:24:59 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
DMD, if I ever get my internet up and running again at home I'm going to have to upload some Suffocation. I know your internet access is limited, so I don't know if you'll be able to download it, but there is absolutely no excuse for a death metal fan not to have heard Suffocation, especially on who calls himself Death Metal Dude. Most followers like Effogy, but I personally like Pierced From Within. They're like a coked up Cannibal Corpse who play melodic Death-like solos. Terrance is a badass.
Godking, Meshuggah used to be more melodic prior to Chaosphere. If you like DT you would probably like Destroy Erase Improve. They seem hellbent on writing riffs with as little notes as possible these days.
Submitted by BleedTheSky (user info) at 2004-06-07 22:53:05 EDT (#)
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And maybe I'm hostile towards Dream Theatre because I was at this show one time where Audioblack played. I don't know if you've ever heard Audioblack, but they are pure shit. Some kid wearing a Dream Theatre shirt told me I was an idiot for not liking Audioblack, so I cracked him an elbow in the face when the next band (whom I don't remember) started playing.
True story.
Submitted by BleedTheSky (user info) at 2004-06-07 22:47:29 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
I forgot I wrote this shit. Seriously. I was just checking my user stats and I thought "last review 4 days ago? What the fuck?" Seriously, though. I'll try to catch up.
Fuck Porcupine Tree. Well, I just don't like them. The first Opeth song I ever heard was "In the Mist She Was Standing". My favorite Opeth CD is Blackwater Park and my least favorite is Damnation. And by the way, ever noticed how the piano part at the end of "Leper Affinitiy" sounds exactly like a piano part in the Playstation game Final Fantasy 7? And Drapery Falls is their best song. Fuck All Y'all.
I get to see Slayer in a month. It will be the second time in an eight month period. God Forbid, too. My only qualms about the show is that I'll miss Darkest Hour, which for some reason is the SAME FUCKING DAY. Good god.
I had my girlfriend buy Freya to see if they were ok. Let me just say that I'm glad I didn't buy it. And I'm getting pretty into metalcore. As I Lay Daying has some incredible orgasm inducing breakdowns. And I just rediscovered Diecast and Remembering Never. Hardcore at its finest.
And what the fuck is with In Flames and Arch Enemy these days? And is Soilwork still alive or what? I know they lost a drummer to Chimaira, but was he replaced. Hey... I like Chimaira. But yeah. This comment is almos tlonger than my original post, I bet, so I'm out.
Submitted by A-Daamage (user info) at 2004-06-03 19:58:19 EDT (#)
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The top 5 Opeth songs, in descending order from pinnacle of awesomeness to not-quite-as-awesome-but-pretty-daam-close:
1. When
2. Bleak
3. The Drapery Falls
4. Deliverance
5. To Bid You Farewell
2 through 5 are constantly shifting, usually with Demon Of The Fall and Hope Leaves popping up somewhere. It's so fucking hard to say which Opeth songs are better than others because they can't write a bad song. But, so far they have never topped When. The funniest thing to do with that song is play it for your parents, specifically your mother. "Oh, that's so pret.... OH MY GOD." Hehehe.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2004-06-03 19:09:53 EDT (#)
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I was going to see Opeth with Porcupine Tree but the show was 18 and over, and at the time, I was 17 and 11 months. Bitches. I was going to see Opeth on the Lamentations tour too, but I had no transportation. And now I'm moving to a little town in Nor Cal, hours away from San Francisco and hours away from L.A. I hope I don't miss too many shows.
Borknagar is awesome, and so is Vintersorg for that matter. He shows a great capacity for songwriting on Empricism.
Till Fjälls!
What do you think the most perfect Opeth song is?
Submitted by A-Daamage (user info) at 2004-06-03 02:21:23 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
Shit, I forgot to mention Mattias "IA" Eklundh. Freak Kitchen is absolutely NUTS. If you're familiar with Soilwork, you'll know about his freakish solo in Machinegun Majesty. I still can't believe it sometimes when I hear that solo. He also has a solo CD called Freak Guitar that is WAY out there. My favorite trick he uses: Applying a small vibrator over the pickups of his guitar for some weirdass sound effects.
Submitted by A-Daamage (user info) at 2004-06-03 02:15:03 EDT (#)
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Daamit, you guys keep making my metal nerdity come out.
For Porcupine Tree, just buy their most recent album, In Absentia. The dynamics are incredible. Their older stuff is harder for me to get into because just lately they've started to get a little heavier, which Steven has said was pretty much influenced by hearing Opeth and Meshuggah for the first time. Their older material is more soundscape/Floydian atmosphere music than straightforward songs.
Spiral Architect are really talented, but have one of the most annoying vocalists EVER. Asgeir Mickelson is an insane drummer. He can't touch Peter Wildoer, but Asgeir kicks ass nonetheless. He's also in Borknagar, who pretty much define majestic, organic black metal. I can't wait to hear Epic. I wonder if they'll change vocalists since it seems to be a trend with them to get a new vocalist every two records. Garm, Simon, and now Vintersorg.
Symphony X is another band that is oozing with talent but get old real fast with the instrumental wankery. The only band I really like in that genre of music is Andromeda because not only are they more talented than 95% of the bands out there, they write SONGS, not just spew out instrumental masturbation for 75 minutes. Johan Reinholdz is the shit. He's only 21 ot 22 (not sure when his b-day is) and he's already a better guitarist than most anyone else you'll hear, save Yngwie, Satrianni and Vai.
Submitted by godking (user info) at 2004-06-02 11:27:25 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Catching up:
Demon of the fall was the first Opeth song I heard, so when I went to the show with LAcuna Coil, I was surprised to hear their range.
I found it hard to get into Meshuggah. I bought Chaosphere based on the praise the band had received and it took many listens before I began to enjoy it.
It appears I'm the one diehard Dream Theater supporter here. I believe its not fair to say they add solos on for the sake of the solo, but more they add the vocals on for the sake of lyrics. DT is primarily instrumental with vocals added. It seems they are often accused of being pretentious, but that is actually the nature of prog in general, and Tool and Opeth are also capable of that. All that pretense by DT delivers live though- a 3 hour live show to be precise. Aside from the 2 1/2 that Metallica and Savatage have delivered, no other band I've seen has come close. In addition, I've seen DT twice and they did not play one single repeated song. I know Opeth also played 2 entirely different sets with their last 2 US tours. That's a sizable advantage prog bands have over the average band- the ability to know all their songs and mix up the sets.
When Opeth said they were touring with Porcupine Tree, I downloaded a few PT songs, but just couldn't get into them. I have heard a lot of good things about Spiral Architect, but haven't heard a song by them yet.
Anybody familiar with Symphony X?
GK
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2004-06-01 16:37:52 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
MAYH was the first Opeth album I ever bought. Absolutely amazing. In fact, Demon of the Fall was the first death metal song I ever heard (downloaded it, then immediately went out and found the album). MAYH is full of moments that send shivers down my spine, i.e. the acoustic segment in When from 2:56 to 3:27, the ending to When that you mentioned, the effect put on the vocals of the first 'verse' of Demon, all of Credence. Very few songs have ever blown me away, out of all the music I listen to, and that single album has 3 or 4 of them (others include 'Wish You Were Here' by Pink Floyd, 'Ballad of a Thin Man' by Bob Dylan, 'Il Diavolo In Me' by Kataklysm [how is it possible to strike the snare that hard and still maintain absolutely ridiculous blast speed??], 'The River Dragon has Come' by Nevermore, a few by Led Zeppelin, and a couple others by Opeth).
My favorite Nevermore tracks are River Dragon, Matricide, and Deconstruction.
Submitted by A-Daamage (user info) at 2004-05-29 18:18:07 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
Yah, Laiho and Warman are insane. I was supposed to see COB in Minneapolis but they canceled. I did get a chance to see the Blackwater Park tour, though with Opeth, Nevermore, God Forbid and some shitty power metal band (Angel Dust or Jag Panzer, I can't remember). Jeff Loomis is fucking crazy. He was doing some of the oddest arpeggio sweeps. I love Nevermore, but Warrel's vocals do get on my nerves sometimes. Dreaming Neon Black, The River Dragon and their cover of Sounds of Silence are my fave tunes of theirs. God Forbid also destroys live. Do I even need to say anything about Opeth? I don't think it's possible for them to put on a bad show or release a bad album. I'm still waiting for them to top MAYH. "When" has the best ending to any song, EVER. My dream is to sing harmony with Mike on that song on stage before I die.
While I'm dreaming, I also want my own studio in my basement, 2 Jackson Kellys, 2 ESP Explorers (all four with EMG 81's), 5150 EVH full stack, Roland GP-100, Shure Beta SM58, Tama Star Classic set....
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2004-05-29 04:08:50 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
In an unexpected turn of events, DMD has internet access for another few hours!
Anyway, yeah, I know Wilson started with Blackwater Park. He did quite a good job with it too. He will produce the next album too (can't fucking wait). Although I think sometimes he overexerts his influence (the painfully long intro to A Fair Judgement), he is definitely a postive element. I love his parts in Bleak, and those mellotrons from Damnation are very fitting to the music.
Also, CoB is awesome. Leiho is quite unbelievable with his sweep picking WHILE SINGING. I like the little 'duel' they have between guitar and keyboard in the last third of "Kissing the Shadows." Saw them live, they didn't miss a note. Also 'note'worthy was the fact that at that same show, Nevermore came up and played after CoB, and their guitarist was even more stellar.
I can play both Deliverance solos! Hooray for me.
I'm not a huge Slayer fan. But I do appreciate the awesome riffage they've come up with.
Submitted by intellismartness (user info) at 2004-05-29 01:18:04 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Normally I'd negative 2 a post like this, but I am intrigued by the discussion to the point where a 0 seems justified.
Submitted by A-Daamage (user info) at 2004-05-28 21:15:09 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
- Metal nerd alert warning -
Actually, Steven only has production credits for the last three Opeth albums and in that respect he actually only helped to produce as well as play some instruments, and as you say, lay down some vocals. The main producer for most of their albums has been Frederick Nordstrom at Fredman Studios.
I do laugh pretty hard at Steven's vocal take on the DVD for Master's Apprentices. Like you said, it's pretty terrible, which is even more odd due to the fact that he is such a good vocalist. And yes, he is a little snobbish, but he almost has a right to be since he's so damn talented.
From my own experience and hanging out/playing with/talking to other guitarists, the most important thing to learn from a teacher is the basics: scales, chords, proper picking, etc. The rest is better learned on your own. Dimebag Darrel is almost completely self-taught. Myself, I focus mainly on song-structure and rhythm guitar, as I feel the majority of solos are mainly filler material and/or instrumental masturbation. There are songs where the solos are needed, ie. Nothing Else Matters, Deliverance (Opeth), Cemetary Gates, the end to Hatebreeder (COB), etc. Generally though, as in the case of Dream Theater, Slayer (I can't wait to hear the bashing I get from saying that) etc., solos are just stuck on to the song for their own sake, which I get bored with VERY fast.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2004-05-28 19:42:31 EDT (#)
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Last reply til Monday, I promise.
I haven't heard much of Porcupine Tree's stuff, but I do know this: Steven Wilson is a snob. I have the Opeth DVD and in the documentary section they have an interview with Wilson (for those who don't know, he's Opeth's producer). The guy has elitism flowing from his pores. It's really funny to hear him go into the recording booth to lay down some vocals without warming up, and he does absolutely terrible. I do like his voice when he's not fucking up though, and he does contribute a lot to Opeth's atmosphere.
I'm a very intermediate-skilled guitarist. I really really need to go back and take some lessons. I haven't written anything of my own, but I can play moderately complicated things by other bands. I don't know any theory, I don't know my scales, but I have a good ear and I want to build off of that. Bleh, someday...
Submitted by A-Daamage (user info) at 2004-05-28 18:17:24 EDT (#)
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Porcupine Tree doesn't sound like Opeth or Tool (well the beginning of Blackest Eyes actually reminds me a lot of Opeth, but anyway), but I suggest people who are into progressive music like Opeth and Tool would dig Porcupine Tree. Steven Wilson is a genius. It's a stretch, but the same people might also dig Andromeda. Johan Reinholdz is my favorite guitarist. Extension Of The Wish has some of the craziest riffing I've ever heard, and Johan was only 20 when he wrote that album. People compare them to Dream Theater, which I suppose I can understand, but Andromeda makes DT look silly. Every musician in Andromeda is top-notch. Best songs on the album: The Words Unspoken (which has one of my all-time favorite opening riffs), The Deepest of Waters (there are time-signatures in this song that I still can't figure out), Carnival Chameleon (instrumental insanity), Star Shooter Supreme (anyone into Spiritual Beggars will really get into this song) and the title track, where Lawrence Mackrory sounds eeriely like the Radiohead vocalist. Ok, I better stop typing or I'll go on forever about kickass metal.
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-05-28 18:05:33 EDT (#)
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Porcupine Tree isn't bad, although I don't find them to be reminiscent of Opeth or Tool.
Submitted by WiKi (user info) at 2004-05-28 17:59:05 EDT (#)
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I hate music posts like this. That being said, this
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Submitted by hamilton (user info) at 2004-05-27 17:11:12 (#)
It doesn't matter what music you like. It's like trying to order a pizza with ten people. Everyone will disagree unless you're robots. Each topping tastes incredible to certain people, and tastes like shit to others.
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is one of the best replies I've read on Uber relating to this shiz.
Submitted by A-Daamage (user info) at 2004-05-28 17:56:29 EDT (#)
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Mikael Åkerfeldt is my vocal role model. No one can touch his death screams and his clean voice may just be the best ever. BUT, when it comes to pure, raw anger, no one on the planet can sound angrier than Devin Townsend. Don't believe me? Listen to Strapping Young Lad's All Hail The New Flesh and Oh My Fucking God.
Oh, and I hate Dream Theater and love Tool. James LaBrie may have good range, but I can't stand that fucking vibrato. Yes, I know Devin does it occasionally on his solo stuff, but when I hear vibrato I want to tear my hair out. Tool are good SONGWRITERS which is very hard to come by. And I would also classify them as prog/dark rock, not metal. For those into Tool and Opeth, check out Porcupine Tree. I saw the Meshuggah/Tool tour and it was funny watching people try to headbang to Meshuggah. Chaosphere fucking kills.
Anyone who hasn't heard Peter Wildoer's drumming in Darkane should drop what they're doing and go buy Rusted Angel or Insanity. It's so damn precise you'd swear it was a machine. Seriously, Peter destroys ANY metal drummer, including Lombardo, Bostaph, and even Hellhammer and Hoglan. While I have huge respect for those other drummers, Wildoer is the MAN.
Best band ever:
Drums - Peter Wildoer (Darkane)
Main vocals - Devin Townsend (Strapping Young Lad, Devin Townsend Band)
Death/Clean vocals/guitar - Mikael Åkerfeldt (Opeth, Bloodbath)
Rhythm/Lead guitar - Peter Wichers (Soilwork)
Lead/Rhythm guitar - Johan Reinholdz (Andromeda, Nonexist)
Bass/subsonic vocals - Peter Steele (Type O Negative, ex-Carnivore)
Keyboards - Stian Arstad (ex-Dimmu Borgir)
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-05-28 17:53:50 EDT (#)
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Glad to hear you like Meshuggah. Most of the metal heads I know don't get into them, because they're too groovy or too broken. THey like the straight forward stuff, but stupidly fast and melodic. Theory in Practice is badass (totally different from album to album because of lineup changes)and has elements of both DT and Meshuggah if you've never heard them. (Although some of their newer stuff sounds more like Anata)
I play guitar as well and used to write all kinds of alternate picking crazy rhythm shit like something in between Death, Suffo, DT and Meshuggah. I could never get enough people together to play it as a band though. I'm going to start going through my old riffs and recording them with a drum machine though. (Although I hate programming drums, especially for metal)
You probably wouldn't dig the shit my band plays if you don't like Tool. I play bass in it and do all this crazy slap tap Claypool/Wooten/Mudvayne style shit, but a lot of it is simplistic. I hooked up with a drummer when I moved here who is 10 years older than me and got me out of my super technical/fill in every whole phase, and is always preaching less is more. He's a big Tool fan as I'm sure you can imagine, and is every bit as good as Carey. I've slowly begun to agree with him to an extent - there's lots of (complicated)riffs that I can play without having to think about them, it's just reflex. But if I try to play those same riffs slow and controlled I start fucking up because I have to really think about it. He always says it takes more skill to play slow and controlled than it does to play fast. I don't agree with that, but I think it takes every bit as much.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2004-05-28 17:40:25 EDT (#)
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And I play guitar.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2004-05-28 17:39:43 EDT (#)
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Yes, I love the double bass. I've not listened to Suffocation or Dying Fetus yet, but I plan to. Limbonic Art is very good. I heard a Sprial Architect song once on one of those digital cable music channels, and I was digging it until the vocals came in. Didn't really seem to fit the music. I love Death, and therefore Sean Reinert. Bands whose double bass I really enjoy are Morbid Angel (duh), Meshuggah, Dimmu Borgir (although I think he's more creative in Old Man's Child), Nile, Kataklysm, Krisiun, and Mayhem (Hellhammer kicks ass).
I'll return to this in about 3 days when i have computer access again.
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-05-28 17:31:54 EDT (#)
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DMD, do you play? From your last comment there I assume you must.
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-05-28 17:26:27 EDT (#)
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Or Gene Hoglan
Shawn Reinert of Death/Cynic/Gordion Knot fame is kickass too.
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-05-28 17:24:30 EDT (#)
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I gather you're a fan of double bass.
Suffo?
Fetus?
Goregasm?
Odious Sanction?
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-05-28 17:23:11 EDT (#)
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I agree that Adam Jones is a very simplistic guitar player, but I think that's by design. Their bass player (that played on the last 2 albums though) is definitely very skilled and talented. He added a whole new dimension to the band.
What about Thought Industry? Sprial Architect Limbonic Art?
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2004-05-28 17:17:29 EDT (#)
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"What I do not understand is how you can even appreciate Dream Theatre and think Tool sucks. Tool has exactly what Dream Theatre is lacking, feel and dynamics. They may not be as notey, but that's because it's more about the band, not just individuals playing "Look at me, look what I can do" self indulgent bullshit. (Although I tend to dabble in that area myself from time to time"
Ah, but Tool lacks what Dream Theater has, i.e. talent. Granted, Carey is a good drummer, but the rest is waaayy too mellow and boring. Not only are they not very "notey," they aren't very "good" either. I like a balance of excellent musical proficiency blended with emotive and emotional lyrics, and an overall feeling that the music can breathe. To further exploit that analogy, I feel that DT's music chokes and hyperventilates, while Tool's music hibernates. That's why I fucking love Opeth. Lopez is a great complement to Åkerfeldt's style of guitar, whether it be calm acoustic passages or blasted metallic destruction, Lopez plays exactly what the music needs. He doesn't overplay, and he doesn't underplay.
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-05-28 17:04:52 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Oh my god, you took the words right out of my mouth DMD.
I very much like Petrucci's guitar work. But Dream Theater to me is just a instrumental masturbatory session. Everything is too pretentious and comes off as linear diarrhea. They are all extremely talented, but it lacks a certain aspect of soul and emotion. I also find the lyrics somewhat concrete and occassionally contrived.
That is EXACTLY why I favor Liquid Tension experiment, even though it's still along the same lines and is way to 80's for me, at least it has a little bit more feel.
I fully agree with your assessment of Portnoy as well. One word, overrated.
What I do not understand is how you can even appreciate Dream Theatre and think Tool sucks. Tool has exactly what Dream Theatre is lacking, feel and dynamics. They may not be as notey, but that's because it's more about the band, not just individuals playing "Look at me, look what I can do" self indulgent bullshit. (Although I tend to dabble in that area myself from time to time
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2004-05-28 16:44:33 EDT (#)
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I very much like Petrucci's guitar work. But Dream Theater to me is just a instrumental masturbatory session. Everything is too pretentious and comes off as linear diarrhea. They are all extremely talented, but it lacks a certain aspect of soul and emotion. I also find the lyrics somewhat concrete and occassionally contrived.
As for drumming, Portnoy is a pompous douchebag. I've talked with a few drummers who say that Portnoy's stuff is easy to play, and they're right. If I may quote from a forum in which the two drummers were compared (spelling and grammatical errors corrected by me):
"[Portnoy] just uses combinations of twos and fours around a kit like this:
[L=left, R=right, *=cymbal]
L R L R
L R
L R L R
L R
And he's a shitty double pedal player, and he has a stupid kit. There is no way Portnoy could play in Opeth; it would sound hideous. Every single fill he plays robotically screams 'Look what I can do' as if no one had the balls to point out that doing left right left right left right left right around the kit possibly isn't the best way to go about things.
Martin Lopez would play something like:
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L
RLLRRL*
R
llRllR*
rrLrllRR
And then go back to rolling double pedal. Which Portnoy can't do."
Submitted by godking (user info) at 2004-05-28 11:22:05 EDT (#)
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Death Metal Dude was exactly who I figured would put Opeth and Dream Theater head to head. I've been a DT fan for a long time, but my first experience with Opeth was last year when they toured with Lacuna Coil. That being said, I can't compare drummers straight up since I'm not familiar enough with Opeth yet, but Mike Portnoy may be in the top 5 drummers EVER. However, its John Petrucci who is the real star of DT to me. As awesome as Portnoy is live, its hard to take your eyes off of Petrucci's playing.
As far as LC and bands with 2 singers- I like the style. Beseech, Theater of Tragedy, Tristania, Sins of Thy Beloved, etc. Then again, GWAR is one of my favorites, and half the people on stage aren't playing instruments.
GK
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2004-05-27 17:49:28 EDT (#)
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How's this for a show:
Behemoth
Nile
Lacuna Coil
Opeth
Superjoint Ritual
Danzig
Saw this lineup a little over a year ago.
First, I don't much like Lacuna Coil. Somehow I just don't like two singers who don't play instruments. Also, I find the drumming too neglectful in double bass. But they played very well live. Evanescence is shitty. It's some sort of nu-metal/goth/emo shitfest and I can't say it's my cup of tea.
Nile is awesome. They've had some of the most amazingly fast drummers, including one of my favorites Derek Roddy. And they hit every single note and beat live.
Opeth is my favorite band. Un-fucking-believable. Mikael Åkerfeldt is one of the most rangy guitarists AND singers I've ever heard. I can't even describe how fucking great his music is. All the 'wrong' notes and dissonant chords and harmonies, plus the impeccable acoustic passages; it blows me away. The drummer Martin Lopez is arguably better than Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater. Portnoy's stuff is great, but very straightforward and fundamentally simple. Lopez is excellent on albums, but live he goes nuts; he does a lot of complicated fills that Portnoy couldn't think up. Superb use of cymbals during fills. Lopez could do Dream Theater songs, but I doubt Portnoy could do Opeth songs (I doubt he can do the 'rolling' double bass).
Meshuggah is fucking sick. Tomas Haake is mind-bogglingly talented. And Danny Carey can't touch him.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/29987#472891
I like this discussion. Carry on.
Submitted by hamilton (user info) at 2004-05-27 17:11:12 EDT (#)
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since this is quickly turning into a metal orgy, i will list the contents of my CD wallet
four green day CD's
three blink 182 CD's
one metallica CD
three offspring CD's
one simple plan CD (even i'm ashamed of that)
one sum 41 CD
One tool CD
one MXPX CD
two NOFX CD's
one merle haggard cd
two madonna cd's
one slipknot CD
one Lacuna Coil CD
one Godspeed, ye black emperor (i think) CD
One Dashboard confessional CD
It doesn't matter what music you like. It's like trying to order a pizza with ten people. Everyone will disagree unless you're robots. Each topping tastes incredible to certain people, and tastes like shit to others.
Submitted by BoogieFevuh (user info) at 2004-05-27 17:03:03 EDT (#)
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there's no point arguing any of this. music is like pizza toppings: its a matter of taste that no one can ever agree on.
Submitted by emoves (user info) at 2004-05-27 16:49:47 EDT (#)
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- 28 year old Emo Man/Kid
I have nothing against Metal...tool is one of my favorites...im not a big classic metal fan..but i respect it. I would rather lsten to sad/depressing with a little rage here and there...but in general hard core metal is a little too rage..and i might end up killing someone if i listened to that fulltime.But my rule of thumb is that mainstream music sucks...especially emo. I like groups like "Appleseed Cast" "At the drive in" "Moneen" "texas is the reaso" and indie rock like "built to spill" "modest mouse" "death cab for cutie" or underground hip hop like "living legends" "visionaries" ...or classic rock like "genesis" "the cars" "van halen" "joy division" "steely dan" 80's soul,70's & 80's stadium rock,80's hip hop....it all comes down to good music and fake crap like "good charolette","50 cent","all modern pop music""all rap on the radio"
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-05-25 14:04:13 EDT (#)
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Lamb of God rocks.
Submitted by BleedTheSky (user info) at 2004-05-25 13:56:52 EDT (#)
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I wasn't trying to imply I didn't like Lacuna Coil. "Heaven's a Lie" doesn't best exemplify their potential, though. I bought the New England Hardcore and Metalfest DVD partly because they were on there. And also partly because of Opeth, Atreyu, Lamb of God and Darkest Hour. But hey, whatever. Maybe you're right in sayign that Evanescence helped open the doors to bands like LC, even if LC WAS there first.
Submitted by godking (user info) at 2004-05-25 13:50:22 EDT (#)
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Its rare, but as a metal fan, I don't entirely hate Evanescence.
As far as the Lacuna Coil comparison, its been going on since Evanescence first broke onto the radio. Evanescence has been accused of ripping off Lacuna Coil, which I suppose could be valid. LC has been around nearly twice as long. However, LC is coming to Indiana 2 times this summer, with POD and then Ozzfest- a minor miracle for a rock starved state. The Gathering and Nightwish are also touring the US. Evanescence may be the bastard child of these bands, but they have helped open the doors a small bit. LC actually gets played on a lot of American Radio now. LC has never made any accusations themselves, and why should they? Its only helped their record sales.
Besides, once anyone sees LC live, they forget about Evanescence.
GK
Submitted by BleedTheSky (user info) at 2004-05-25 13:48:20 EDT (#)
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And thanks.
Submitted by BleedTheSky (user info) at 2004-05-25 13:47:44 EDT (#)
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Speaking of Trivium and musical genious, have you heard anything about them? Their knowledge of musical theory is obviously flawless. I think their CD was out on Century for a couple months before Roadrunner, for some reason, picked them up. I didn't really think they had a trendy sound, even though I liked it. They don't do bad at all considering the average age of the members of the band is 18.
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-05-25 13:45:06 EDT (#)
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And have a +2 for conversation about music!
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-05-25 13:42:14 EDT (#)
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And isn't tool citing Meshuggah as being "fucking brilliant", now? Well, I concur.
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Yes. They had a personal invite to open from Danny Carey on their last tour, before going back into the studio and being replaced with Fantomas.
Nile's OK. The dude whose band I was in that spawned the username Envenom was in a band with John Viscano, who is now in Nile. (Dark Moon) I still see those dudes on occasion. I like Nile better with their original drummer.
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-05-25 13:38:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by godking (user info) at 2004-05-25 13:33:24 (#)
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Egads!! Shoot James Labrie? Have you heard Dream Theater's newest album, Train of Thought? He actually was very good on that album, his finest effort to date.
GK
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No, I stopped listening after their concept album. Scenes from a memory?
Submitted by BleedTheSky (user info) at 2004-05-25 13:36:31 EDT (#)
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Is it ok for me to hate Dream Theater, yet still love Opeth and Tool? And I thought that Mudvayne was considered math metal, despite being nu-metal. And isn't tool citing Meshuggah as being "fucking brilliant", now? Well, I concur.
And there's no such thing as goth metal. Cradle of Filth try like a motherfucker, but still suck at the end of the day. They are like a wannabe death metal version of AFI. And isn't Lacuna Coil just like one step up from Evanescence? They seems alike to me, at least.
Even so, everytime someone asks me what kind of music I like, I usually say "metal" or "hardcore" and never "melodic death metal" or "grindcore". So Mexhrdlr was kidna right when he asked the question "why do we need all of the titles of genres of rock?"
My answer is because theere is a difference betweenbands like Lacuna Coil and Nile. Between Nile and Nirvana. Between Nirvana and Avenged Sevendfold. If you ask someone what they listen to and get the answer "rock", are you supposed to just assume they lsiten to Blink 182, or might they listen to Trivium? Do you see what I mean?
Submitted by godking (user info) at 2004-05-25 13:33:24 EDT (#)
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Egads!! Shoot James Labrie? Have you heard Dream Theater's newest album, Train of Thought? He actually was very good on that album, his finest effort to date.
GK
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-05-25 13:14:44 EDT (#)
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Oh yes, and also Spastic Ink
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-05-25 13:14:22 EDT (#)
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From a purely technical standpoint, Dream Theater may be unequalled
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Theory in Practice has some pretty nice stuff too.
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-05-25 13:05:46 EDT (#)
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Math Metal? I think the band that fits that most would be Meshuggah. They constantly load their music with strange and often changing time signatures. Math metal is is really nothing more than another way to say prog, though.
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Exactly. Meshuggah is the shit. Well old Meshuggah anyway and also Frederik Thordendal's Special Defects.
I agree with your assesment of Nighwish as power metal, but they also have a symphonic sound and a bit of the math/prog rock edge that Dream Theatre does at times. Dream Theatre's singer should be shot. Because of him I can only recommend Metropolis Part III. I like Liquid Tension Experiment better since it's all instrumental, but the music (although it has more feel) is not quite Dream Theatre.
Dillenger escape plan is also math metal, along with Cephalic Carnage to an extent. Not sure what the hell to call Candiria, bu they also rule.
Submitted by godking (user info) at 2004-05-25 12:43:48 EDT (#)
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Nightwish takes standard Power Metal and throws in the twist by adding what well may be the MOST powerful voice you can have- a legit opera singer. I finally get to see this band live in August.
Math Metal? I think the band that fits that most would be Meshuggah. They constantly load their music with strange and often changing time signatures. Math metal is is really nothing more than another way to say prog, though.
As far as classical goes- Great Cat? Therion and Haggard also fit. Savatage's alter ego, Trans Siberian Orchestra, though even Savatage themselves have a classical edge.
All Tool fans should give Opeth and Dream Theater a try.
GK
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-05-25 12:20:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2004-05-25 10:52:10 (#)
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Tool is my god damn favourite band... They fall into a category called Math Metal, for some stupid reason. Personally I think it should be considered "Classical" Metal.
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That tag would belong more to bands like Death and At the Gates, even some Morbid Angel. Throw Nightwish in there too.
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-05-25 12:19:05 EDT (#)
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Godking mentioned Nightwish, great band, and the precurser to shit like Evanescence.
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-05-25 12:17:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2004-05-25 10:52:10 (#)
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Tool is my god damn favourite band... They fall into a category called Math Metal, for some stupid reason.
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No no no! As Death Metal Dude said, Tool is not metal. Great band, just not metal. Like he said, prog rock is probably the most accurate. They're not really notey enough to be considered mathrock. Most of their technical edge comes from rhythms, not melody.
Vivaldi is the shit. Four seasons, summer.
Submitted by godking (user info) at 2004-05-25 12:08:32 EDT (#)
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Emo, to me, seems like Punk infected by "my dawg dun died" country. To each their own I suppose. I listen to all ends of the metal spectrum, though I prefer prog and bands who experiment with their style.
Nobody can load emotion into music like Savatage, my all time favorite, yet they maintain their metal edge. From a purely technical standpoint, Dream Theater may be unequalled (though at least one person here might cite Opeth among the prog leaders). Therion offers a very unique metal experience.
I'm not the biggest Death Metal fan, but I like what In Flames has done (except their newest). Deicide and Morbid Angel are also pretty good. Pure Black Metal is hard for me to listen too, mainly because of the high pitched screeching of some singers. Instrumentally, they tend to be quite good. The more "atmospheric black" or "black-metal-lite" Like Dimmu Borgir and Cradle of Filth are a good way to introduce yourself to black metal.
I don't mind Numetal. There are a few bands that are ok- Slipknot, Static X, Union Underground. I have to say though, I though Korn's first album kicked a whole lot of ass.
I'd eat up a lot of bandwith to try and name every band worth a mention, but here's a few I like that you won't hear on the radio:
Circle II Circle, Nightwish, Lacuna Coil, GWAR, Beyond the Embrace, Paradise Lost, Helloween
GK
Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2004-05-25 11:34:27 EDT (#)
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I don't really think anyone has "roots" as such, as your taste in music tends to change over the years as your personality developes. People do tend to stick with a certain genre though be it bands or rap or whatever.
I've always liked bands, but the type of band has changed from heavier rock to more mellow stuff and back again countless times. Then again other bands have rarely left my CD player, The Smashing Pumpkins, The Cure, The Lemonheads, Counting Crows and Metallica are always guaranteed airtime.
So basically what I'm saying it's pointless discussing/arguing about what style of music is the best as it's down to personal preference and your own preference may well change.
Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2004-05-25 10:52:10 EDT (#)
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Tool is my god damn favourite band... They fall into a category called Math Metal, for some stupid reason. Personally I think it should be considered "Classical" Metal. Maynard, being a clasically trained composer, typically writes his songs in different movements, much like a classical composition by your traditional Bach, Mozart, or Vivaldi. It's not the homogenised "Intro, Verse, Chorus, Verse, Chorus, Interlude, Verse, Chorus till fade". "Pushit" is an excellent example.
Anyway, that's beside the point. As someone who listens to metal (Maiden), goth (Lacuna Coil), indie (incubus), reggae (Bob Marley), rap (NWA), music from almost every genre (excluding r&b, new cheesy pop like spice girls et al, and ska) I'd say that to compare them to each other is like comparing chalk and cheese, apple's and oranges, crack and weed. They ALL have their merits, they ALL have their place, and they ALL require considerable talent to compose and become successful.
Besides that, it's personal preference.
Submitted by Envenom (user info) at 2004-05-25 10:30:57 EDT (#)
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I don't hate emo. There are some decent bands out there, just as with any category of music. I like the old emo, like HUM, but there are a few other bands like Thursday and LEO that have some decent tracks as well. Glassjaw has nice emocore quality and some interesting moments. It's all about what you're into. There's not much emotion in most death metal. (Aside from anger, although more often than not it has a humorous gore quality, i.e Hammer Smashed Face or any Malevolent Creation song) Black metal is more emotional, but bores me musically. Different people listen to music for different reasons. I don't think it's fair to say that one is truely any better than the other.
Submitted by Big_Poppa_Tom (user info) at 2004-05-25 10:15:41 EDT (#)
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I'm telling you guys Jump Punk is the greatest
Submitted by cat_head (user info) at 2004-05-25 05:37:47 EDT (#)
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Mallcore! That cracked me up.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2004-05-25 01:17:43 EDT (#)
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Point taken.........contemplated.................disregarded.
Tool isn't metal, guy who said Tool is metal. They're pseudo-intellectual prog/hard rock for goths and Starbucks-going poet rebels.
Submitted by BleedTheSky (user info) at 2004-05-25 00:06:42 EDT (#)
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Because the comments to his post pissed me off.
Submitted by Socialist_Joe (user info) at 2004-05-24 23:48:45 EDT (#)
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why didnt you just hit the rate this button over his post to respond to his post instead of making a whole new post
that was the closest to making sense i've ever come
Submitted by BleedTheSky (user info) at 2004-05-24 23:14:46 EDT (#)
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If you don't understand what I'm talkign about, then read the link I posted along with the comments on that post. Problem solved there (providing the person with the problem is literate, and if he/she isn't, then he/she has more than one problem).
The purpose of this post was to spark some discussion on music, and maybe open some people up to some new things. I guess you can -2 all you want. I don't really give a fuck.
And if your friends are so "well-versed in music", then they should reply to my post, shouldn't they? Otherwise, I don't give a fuck who your friends are.
And I thought Tool was like some weird mix of hard and prog rock. I might be wrong...
Submitted by Socialist_Joe (user info) at 2004-05-24 23:06:46 EDT (#)
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i was going to give you a minus 2 but music posts dont deserve a minus 2
like music becuase its music just ignore what you dont like and dont make posts about music expecialy rap punk emo and rock it wont do good
emo came and died right after grunge
and for the guy below dashboard isnt emo caraba is to much a pussy for even emo
Submitted by DJMattB241 (user info) at 2004-05-24 23:04:41 EDT (#)
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i[m drunk and in no condition to vote. however, two thoughts.
1) Tool. best metal ever.
2) i have friends that are into Dashboard Confessional (ick), and are very versed in music. theres some emo for you.
Submitted by dakingisdead (user info) at 2004-05-24 23:00:50 EDT (#)
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Maybe I flushed my brain but I just don't understand what the fuck you are going on about here.
Call me stupid. I don't care.
Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-05-24 22:51:11 EDT (#)
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*listens to pink floyd*
sorry what were you saying?