If D-Day failed? (1151 hits)
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Submitted by Scotsman (View user info) at 2004-06-07 06:05:34 EDT
London, 6th June 1944, D-Day.
Churchill sat brooding in his leather cabinet chair. Every few minutes he would bark out to his staff "any news?!" The reply was always "nothing as of yet". He could take no more and slammed his had into the desk. "what the devil is happening out there!" He did not expect an answer and none was forthcoming however unbeknownst to him the news was grave, very grave!
"Sir!" puffed a young intern clutching a communiqué in his fist. Reports are finally coming in. Churchill grabbed it out of his hand and as he was reading it a low moan escaped his lips "Is this accurate?" he quietly asked. "I am afraid so" came the sombre reply. "What has happened?" one of his cabinet members asked. "According to this" said Churchill waving the bit of paper "the beaches were far better defended than we thought possible. All five beaches have been a massacre. Latest count is 100,000 dead, wounded or captured. Operation Overlord has been a failure and the weather is turning for the worse. The greatest invasion the world has ever seen has floundered in the surf of the Normandy coast"
November 1944.
The fallout from the Normandy debacle cost the political career of Roosevelt and Churchill. Peace makers came to the fore and a few short, harrowing months later a peace accord was signed with the Nazi government. The war was over in the West. Hitler turned his troops East and the crumbling Eastern front was shored up. Aid for Stalinist Russia was ended as part of the peace deal. As a result the Germans rapidly made up the ground which had been lost since Stalingrad. The Summer of 1945 sawthe fall of Moscow and the public hanging on Stalin. The war was over and Hitlers empire stretched from the Atlantic to the Urals.
I would like to see some constructive critisism on this please. I have been banging this out at work so apologies if it looks rushed (cos it is) Anyway flame away people but please keep it constructive
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Submitted by Avals (user info) at 2004-06-08 06:17:27 EDT (#)
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Well, part I of my crack at the idea is up. Take a look and let me know what you think:
http://www.ubersite.com/cgi-bin/message_get.cgi?message=108668960235968864
Cheers.
Submitted by Scotsman (user info) at 2004-06-08 03:41:21 EDT (#)
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Avals Aka Random,
Yeah I saw that challenge as well. I reckon we should all get at it as I love these things. Didn't get a chance last night as gf was round.
Submitted by exkaleeburr (user info) at 2004-06-07 23:11:03 EDT (#)
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One hell of an imagination there dude... but seriously, get the story right man.
I say Godzilla showed up and killed all the Germans right after all the Americans died. Then the Vikings arose from their hidden caves in the ice caps of Norway and went over and attacked Russia. The Godzilla got some wings and ate Japan. The US lost all its friends and investment in the rest of the world, so Roosevelt ordered a mass suicide, and the US killed themselves. Then Canada took over the world.
Yeh, so my story sucks... but D-Day didn't fail. So your story is as stupid as mine, cause it isn't what really happen.
But props to the creativeness of it all.
Submitted by Donitsu2002 (user info) at 2004-06-07 21:46:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JayDeath (user info) at 2004-06-07 08:09:40 (#)
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Yeah, I don't think the US would have any peace treaty. I think they would have tried to use their nuclear capabilities on Germany in 1945.
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That would've been even worse, in fact the Germans almost had a prototype nuclear weapon built at the end of WWII when the rest of their experimental weapons started coming out *I swear Hitler sold his soul to the devil for technological advancements, too little too late*
Anyways, scotsman, write an expanded version i'd very much like to read that.
Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-06-07 16:29:01 EDT (#)
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You haven't said anything.
Submitted by Spiral_Abraxis (user info) at 2004-06-07 16:25:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JayDeath (user info) at 2004-06-07 08:09:40 (#)
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Yeah, I don't think the US would have any peace treaty. I think they would have tried to use their nuclear capabilities on Germany in 1945.
Mm hmm, there's no way we would have given up so easily.
Submitted by Avals (user info) at 2004-06-07 16:16:56 EDT (#)
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Incidentally, since the whole "What If?" topic seems to be a challenge on Uber right now (I noticed in a review for another post on this topic someone said he wanted people to do something interesting with this. whewwww... Wasn't that the longest sentence you've ever read in parenthesis?), I'm gonna give it a whirl and see what I can come up with. Hope you don't mind mate. :)
Submitted by youarsoghey (user info) at 2004-06-07 13:31:24 EDT (#)
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I'm not a huge fan of lines like these in anything other than a documentary: "The greatest invasion the world has ever seen has floundered in the surf of the Normandy coast."
But things like this are always interesting ideas. Expansion perhaps?
Submitted by Scotsman (user info) at 2004-06-07 11:47:03 EDT (#)
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Thanks to the reasonably favourable reviews I'll make an attempt to expand on this. Be patient with me as I have not attempted to write a story since High School. It was intended to be a Prologue of sorts.
Submitted by DarthAwesome (user info) at 2004-06-07 11:42:59 EDT (#)
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I see other people agree with me.
Submitted by DarthAwesome (user info) at 2004-06-07 11:39:56 EDT (#)
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I doubt Russia would loose. Every would be conquerer has failed.
Submitted by Can_Always_Trust_A_Liar (user info) at 2004-06-07 11:29:23 EDT (#)
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Good, if you plan to continue it nd expand on it. This is a good set up, a nice prologue, but if it was meant to be a stand alone story then it was too fast and short and rushed. I liked it.
Submitted by Fabish (user info) at 2004-06-07 10:06:06 EDT (#)
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Q: If D-Day failed?
A: I'd be wearing lederhosen and eating veiner schnitzels right now.
Submitted by mikethescottish (user info) at 2004-06-07 10:02:56 EDT (#)
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As has already been said, this idea has potential, and I think that with a bit more detail, a few authentic-sounding battle reports and suchike, this could be quite good.
Submitted by Scotsman (user info) at 2004-06-07 10:00:39 EDT (#)
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Cheers Avals aka Random Joe.
I would love to be doing it now but my Nazi general of a boss is making me work ...damn him to hell :)
Submitted by Avals (user info) at 2004-06-07 09:52:46 EDT (#)
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What Scotsman said.
Denmark was too far away to invade by sea. Landing in France only required crossing the relatively short distance of the English channel. Transporting a large number of troops a long way by sea is not only difficult, but leaves them much more vulnerable to air attack. Not exactly a pleasent prospect. Not to mention the immense difficulty that would arise from attempting to establish air superiority over Denmark.
In any case, I doubt conscripting German troops would work out well at all. These still fighting by that time were mostly fanatically devoted to Hitler. Not to mention that since German industry was pounded into rubble by the Allies, they would have to carry the burden of equipping these extra troops.
And a war with the Soviet Union probably wasn't high on anyone's priorities as well. I think the Russians proved themselves a fearsome enough enemy during WWII that anyone would think twice before engaging them in conventional warfare.
Avals, formerly known as Random Joe... :)
I'm still waiting for your longer version by the way Scotsman. Now get cracking! ;)
Submitted by squattail (user info) at 2004-06-07 09:26:39 EDT (#)
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Nah. I heard a pretty interesting FACT the other day. When the D-Day invasion happened the only person in charge of decent reserves within range was Hitler, who was asleep. None of the advisors had the balls to wake him up so the reserves were never called upon until he woke up.
Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-06-07 09:19:52 EDT (#)
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Constructive criticism on what? There's nothing here to criticize.
D-Day failed. Hitler won.
That's not good.
Submitted by Scotsman (user info) at 2004-06-07 08:15:50 EDT (#)
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The problem with landing in Denmark would have been a lot less aircover and it is a hellava long way to travel in those landing craft.
Submitted by JayDeath (user info) at 2004-06-07 08:09:40 EDT (#)
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Yeah, I don't think the US would have any peace treaty. I think they would have tried to use their nuclear capabilities on Germany in 1945.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2004-06-07 08:09:00 EDT (#)
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Very creative idea.
In my humble opinion, D-Day should have been in Denmark. It would have been a very short march south into Berlin, rather than fight through the bocage country and the Ardennes. Take Berlin, conscript Hitler's army, push the red army back to Russia.
Submitted by Scotsman (user info) at 2004-06-07 06:40:15 EDT (#)
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Thanks Random. I'll see if I get time and flesh it out.
Submitted by Random Joe <random.at.joe.com> at 2004-06-07 06:38:07 EDT (#)
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I understand.
Anyway, this idea has very good potential if it's fully developed - make your post longer, describe what happened differently and why in detail. Hypothetical history can be fun! :)
Just remember - the difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense.
So if you're going to say Germany won the war, you'll have to explain why.
Submitted by Scotsman (user info) at 2004-06-07 06:21:04 EDT (#)
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Random Joe. Cheers for those comments. I agree it is very short and yeah I am aware of the historical innacuracies. I considered sticking something in about Stalingrad being a victory for the Germans and the D-day landings being the final chance to stop Hitler but as I am at work I left it.
Cheers though :)
Submitted by hairycoo (user info) at 2004-06-07 06:17:25 EDT (#)
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"public hanging of Stalin"
we can only dream of such a world
Submitted by Random Joe <random.at.joe.com> at 2004-06-07 06:17:00 EDT (#)
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Two things:
First, this is extremely short. Not that I have anything against short posts mind you, but a topic like this pretty much screams for more detail.
Second, and most importantly, I believe your historical vision is flawed. The Soviet Union wasn't counting on her Western allies to win the war, and she certainly wasn't counting on lend lease to equip her army. By that time, Soviet industry was churning out first-rate equipment much faster than that of Germany. The tide in the east had turned long before the invasion, despite the fact that most of Germany's resources were commited to that front.
The main purpose of the invasion was to prevent the Soviet Union from conquering the whole of Europe. (A goal at which it succeeded quite well.)
With that in mind, I don't think the Western allies would have signed a peace treaty, even if the invasion had failed.
But hey, I'm just a random Joe, so don't mind me too much.
Submitted by Scotsman (user info) at 2004-06-07 06:06:45 EDT (#)
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