The War in Iraq: My Personal Quandary (1268 hits)
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Submitted by tshia (View user info) at 2004-06-21 03:01:32 EDT
To truly contest with someone you must believe that you are better than your opponent. For example imagine three men, man number believes himself to be the best arm wrestler that ever lived, man number two has the same conviction, man number three though believes himself to be the worst arm wrestler who ever lived. Now what would happen if these three hypothetical men were to meet? It is my belief that the first two would arm wrestle to decide who was the greatest while the third man forfeited because he believed he would lose. I believe too that this result would occur without regard to the strength of the men, or their skill at arm wrestling, that is even if man number three was the strongest and in fact the best, he still would forfeit as believed himself to be the worst. To truly contest with someone you must believe yourself to be superior.
This attitude and the products of it have been demonstrated quite clearly by the conflict in Iraq, the United States, and its cohorts, would never have invaded Iraq had they not believed themselves to be superior to Iraq, not only ideologically superior but militarily as well.
When I first considered the war in Iraq I was in favor of it. The war would ostensibly advance American ideals and protect our country, as an American I was fully in favor of that. As the conflict progressed though many people began raising doubts, "This war is about oil" was a common complaint, yet I did not find anything wrong with that, even if this war was largely for oil where was the harm in that? Oil is an important part of the American economy furthermore even if our main reason were to take oil for ourselves the people of Iraq would gain the benefits of our occupation, of our liberation. A brutal dictator would be deposed and freedom, justice, and the American Way would be brought to Iraq. Everyone wins.
The American Civil War was not fought over the value of racial equality; it was fought because the Southern states feared the Northern states were attempting to abolish slavery. The Southerners, as a whole, did not desire to continue the practice of slaveholding for the sake of holding slaves but rather to produce cotton; they wanted to continue the enslavement of the blacks for the purposes of producing more money, and so they succeeded from the Union. The Northern states did not go to war to change the issue of slavery either, but rather to protect the sanctity of the United States. The point I am trying to make is that the Civil War was not fought for the purposes of advancing racial equality and it was not fought for the purpose of freeing the slaves, yet both of these things happened during the course of the war. I viewed the war in Iraq as possessing the same opportunities, the United States might procure a cheap source of oil, but the people of Iraq would benefit from the process immensely.
As I continue to think I become less sure of myself. Recently I was struck with a possibility that had not occurred to me before, suppose the people of Iraq did not want our intervention. Suppose moreover that not only did they not want our help but they also did not want the things we professed to bring with us. What if the Iraqis did not desire what I know as freedom or justice? Would our invasion still benefit them?
I am not an expert on Iraq and I have never personally visited the country, I have no way of knowing what its citizens want, but what I am certain of is that not all Iraqis will desire the same things. If every Iraqi desires something different then how should that effect our occupation and reformation of their country? As I consider the conflict I realize that what I say as a situation where everyone wins may actually be quite the opposite.
Certainly in Iraq there are people who are willing to give their lives to protest the involvement of the United States in their affairs, there has been enough evidence of this. Equally certain though is that there were many Native Americans who were willing to give their lives to protest the invasion of their lands. America is, it seems, a land built on the principle of might equals right. America since her foundation has relied on the strategy of taking what it wants or needs and killing anyone who disagrees.
A teacher once told me that I could not judge other cultures because there was nothing about a culture that was fundamentally right or wrong, there is nothing about a culture that is fundamentally good or evil. That raised the question can we then judge our own culture? Is the process of killing others to achieve our ends fundamentally wrong? Is the process of invading a country to impose our believes and take their natural resources wrong? These are questions to which I truly do not understand the answers.
America has been led to this war in Iraq by its belief that its own culture is inherently superior to others. The invasion of Iraq occurred because America wanted to impose its supposedly superior ideology over the people of Iraq, or because it desired to take oil from Iraq. If the former is true then who may say we were wrong to do it? Who can judge our culture for the crime of judging another culture?
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Submitted by peyotesands (user info) at 2004-06-27 10:31:40 EDT (#)
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You misused the word "effect" it should have be "affect". And the South didn't "succeed" from the Union they "seceded", which really isn't a bad idea during these days of our overly powerful and disturbingly intrusive Federal government.
Otherwise, the war in Iraq is a joke and all the lives lost have been in vain. George W Bush is a Connecticut brat who'd be sweeping floors and cleaning toilets if he hadn't been born with a silver spoon up his ass. He's that ridiculous.
Submitted by Apples <apples.at.appletree.com> at 2004-06-27 10:17:42 EDT (#)
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Hey I'm just curious if Method, Shitfuck and Tshia are acquainted outside of this Uber universe, or if such animosity has developed online?
Submitted by tshia (user info) at 2004-06-22 18:05:38 EDT (#)
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that is very clever shitfuck, let me tell you what, as long as you keep hurling impotent and juvenille insults at me I'm going to ignore you, talking to you is like to a blank wall, only not as fun. I hope your house catches on fire killing you and any who are unfortunate to live with you. I hope I can make it to your funeral so I can piss on your grave and laugh at your next of kin.
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2004-06-22 10:06:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by <onedopedog.at.aol.com> (View user info) at 2004-03-05 01:50:51
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I think in modern culture people value work, intelligence, and success too much, I invariably fail at everything I do and I am dumb as fuck. I am only a senior in high school yet already i can see that I am doomed for the rest of my life because other people in the future will want me to do things, and I am not prepared for that at all.
I can say it much better than that, but why bother. Your comprehension skills are almost nothing.
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2004-06-22 10:00:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2004-06-22 03:27:39 EDT (#)
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tshia-I see what you are saying, and I understand it, but maybe I am not making my point clear.
I don't think that every aspect of Middle eastern society is worse than every aspect than western society. But it is a fact that they have less freedom and equality than western society(some countries more than others). Freedom is good, freedom is right I don't care what culture you come from.
If you think we should try and influence other countries to allow more freedom, and try to give everyone more equal basic rights, then you are judging other cultures. Why would you try and change something unless you thought it would make it better. If you think we should not try and encourage equality and freedom in other countries(not necessarliy with force), then that is no better than saying some people deserve to be oppressed while you deserve to be free.
Submitted by tshia (user info) at 2004-06-22 02:26:08 EDT (#)
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Cdizzle can you read?
Submitted by CDizzle (user info) at 2004-06-22 02:22:45 EDT (#)
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oh look , another post about what the war is REALLY about. Thanks for imparting your great deduction sherlock. Yeah we know, all dubya wants is publicity and the war was for oil, now shut the fuck up
Submitted by tshia (user info) at 2004-06-22 02:12:51 EDT (#)
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indoninja the major problem with your argument is that you attempt to judge a culture by its worst possible aspects. Perhaps some Middle Eastern countries do terrible things, such as the honor killings you described, but are these things a faul with their entire culture? Are these things even aspects of a culture?
If so then there are many complaints that could be made about our own society. For example American movies glorify violence and murder. Movies like the matrix portray the heroes killing dozens of policeman to acheive their ends. A common theme in American culture seems to be acheiving victory at any price.
In our culture popular athletes earn millions of dollars while teachers or soldiers earn much less for performing more integral functions. Our culture values entertainment over education and over patriotisim. We give more money to someone for throwing a ball through a hoop then we do for someone risking his or her life to protect the interests of our country.
I watch the TV show cops and it is not uncommon to hear the story of someone hired to kill another person. Often times the price for such a deal is as low as a thousand dollars, what does that say about how our society values life? Or money?
It is unfair to compare what you imagine are the worst aspects of a culture to the best aspects of the American culture. Also why do things that appear to be so obviously wrong and evil to you appear to the citizens of the offending countries the correct thing to do?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2004-06-22 02:12:38 EDT (#)
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hidden did you even read my reply? I am not saying thinking our culture was better than Iraq's was enough to justify invading them. All I am saying is that you can and should judge other cultures. Not that you should invade them and use military to force them to change.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-06-22 01:50:56 EDT (#)
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i'm sorry. i just don't agree. but go ahead and pick up a gun and go fight for the Iraqis if you wish. i don't think it's selfish to value my own life over an Iraqi life. it's easy to talk about the changes you think the US should make in Iraq when you're not even in the US military.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2004-06-22 01:15:45 EDT (#)
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Hidden-
You obviously didn't understand my argument. Maybe the Hitler analogy was off base, and I didn't explain it too well because I wrote it off the top of my head.
First off I live in Egypt now, before that I lived in Indonesia the largest muslim population in the world, I am pretty sure I know more about the middle east, and Muslims then you ever will.
It seems odd to me that most people who say we cannot judge the middle east because it is a different culture have no problem judging extreme christians who hate gays, and pre marital sex? How can we judge one and not the other? Most people that are extreme christians probably grew up with different beliefs than you, even if it is in America, they came from a different culture. Why is it okay to call them ignorant or backwards and hate mongers?
As for some of the specific things you mentioned in your reply.
""There are evil things that go on in the world, you can either say it is ok it is their culture, or you can try and stop it."
oh, you mean like how they flew some planes into buildings here to try and stop what they believed to be an "evil culture"? "
I said several times in my reply that thinking our culture is superior to theirs is not a justification for war, and that we should not invade them to spread our way of life. I am not some crazy zealot who thinks we should invade every middle eastern country, put up McDonalds, broadcast MTV, and make people shop at malls. Look at china. In the past 15 years there has been an enormous increase in freedom there. This is in part due to western influence, and pressure for increased freedoms.
How many people form the middle east do you know? I am friends with a few Egyptians, a lot of Iranians, and I used to go drinking with an Iraq. Guess what they all wish that their country was a little more like America. They don't want to be exactly the same, but they do recognize that America has more freedom, more opportunities for hard working people, and more equality. I did not pull this belief out of my ass that America's culture is better, I am not some ignorant kid, I have lived outside of America, outside of military bases with people from other countries in their homeland, can you say the same?
Some things are intrinsically wrong, lack of freedom, honor killings and inequality. There were times in America when the south was much more racist (some would say it is still like that), well the south had a different culture than the north, but people still judged it and tried to change it. This is the same thing in a bigger scale. Can you tell me the difference between the two other than one group of people lives closer to you? Just because someone lives a thousand miles away doesn't make it any more right that they are oppressed.
Changing other cultures isn't something that I think can happen overnight, but it is something we should constantly try and influence. If you can't argue that one culture is better than another, than you have no reason to try and influence another culture. Can you tell me that we should not try and encourage other cultures to allow more freedom, and equality to people?
Submitted by mapleburner21 (user info) at 2004-06-22 01:14:08 EDT (#)
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+1
I reward well written points of view even if I do not fully agree. I wish ubersite would rate on quality, not agreeing or disagreeing. First, we Americans, I anyway, do not believe we are inherently better, that would be racist, or nationalist... But, we believe that because we have a more peaceful and more prosperous society, ours would better suit one that has become a threat. Good job, keep posting.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2004-06-22 01:06:55 EDT (#)
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I know, I'm such a hunk. And you're still a twat. Go figure.
Submitted by tshia (user info) at 2004-06-22 01:03:18 EDT (#)
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Method your wit is like a fine wine, it keeps getting better with time. At first you started by calling me stupid, you rapidly upgraded to thief, and then twat and now you have reached your climax of cleverness. By implying that I am wealthy. No man on Earth is your equal in the field of insults.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2004-06-22 00:58:46 EDT (#)
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Don't forget to wipe the tears away with your monogrammed hanky, you uppity cunt.
Submitted by tshia (user info) at 2004-06-22 00:51:21 EDT (#)
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method for every time you said cunt and twat I will spend an hour in my room crying
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2004-06-22 00:49:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by tshia (user info) at 2004-06-22 00:44:06 EDT (#)
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good work, you caught a few typos, I type fairly fast and when I'm writing the ratings I don't take time to check my spelling. But catching those typos clearly indicates you are a better writer, oh no wait it doesn't. But posting your statistics proves it. Oh no wait that doesn't either. Quality is an opinion, and in my opinion you are the worst write ever.
I am throughly unimpressed by your lackluster attempts at insulting me, do you remember when you said you would never come to my post again? Why don't you get to work on that, it would be the most productive thing you have ever done.
Oh yeah keep calling me a daddy's girl or whatever, that really hurts, and making up things about me makes you seem cool. Oh no, it doesn't. But at least it compensates for your being slaughtered verbally by me. Oh no, it doesn't. I can say with all certainty that you are not smart enough to argue with me, you simply aren't. You resort to repeating a limited range of childish insults over and over.
So please take your own advice and ignore my posts, and then take my advice and suck on the barrel of a gun.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2004-06-22 00:37:34 EDT (#)
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I would like to take this time to say that tshitia is a twat. Thank you, and have a good night.
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2004-06-22 00:32:56 EDT (#)
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One more for the road:
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Suck a dick, get AIDS and die a horrible painful death you fucking twat.
And you can tell your daddy I said that.
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2004-06-22 00:29:32 EDT (#)
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Hey everyone, it's writer's circle with your host tshitishia!
When in doubt, follow tshitsia's advice:
1) Correct spelling is for nerds and guys who think books are cool.
Submitted by tshia (user info) at 2004-06-21 19:49:43 (#)
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shitfuck:
You are stupid, you have no knowledge, you know absolutely nothing about grammar, you are the worst writter in history
*Now what kind of self respecting 'writter' would bother to spell the word 'writer' correctly in the first place? NOT TSHITSIA
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Submitted by tshia (user info) at 2004-06-21 19:49:43 (#)
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It is grammatically acceptable and even if it weren't I wouldn't have changed that sentence you mentioned. Why? I like the way it sounds, that sentance was added for the purposes of style, another technique that is perfectly acceptable in writing.
*If you spell a word correctly once in a sentence, there' s no need to spell it correctly the next time it appears in a 'sentance'.
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2) Grammar is what I call my mommies mommy
Submitted by tshia (user info) at 2004-06-21 19:49:43 (#)
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Next time why don't you give your grammar lesson to some dolt like method who is too stupid to realize that you know absolutely nothing about grammar.
*Um--have you even read Method ?(and don't you fucking think for one second that some pre-menstrating cunt like you can come around here and NOT capitalize a name like Method's) And by the way--it's TOO not to. But with as many errors as you throw out in a typical 'sentance' why bother counting, right?
Submitted by tshia (user info) at 2004-06-21 19:49:43 (#)
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Using a split infinitive is a perfectly acceptable method of writing
* Submit that idea to an editor and see how fast they decide to publish your first book about how great it is to hang out in malls and go shopping all day. FUN FUN FUN!
Submitted by tshia (user info) at 2004-06-21 19:49:43 (#)
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You arent smart.
*Neither are people that can't understand apostrophes.
Obviously, I could go on. So put 'em up there saggy tits. What do you have for a come back?
My daddy will sue you?
Go fucking die.
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2004-06-22 00:10:43 EDT (#)
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Hey there Brittney,
storey
Story \Sto"ry\, n.; pl. Stories. [OF. estor['e], estor['e]e, built, erected, p. p. of estorer to build, restore, to store. See Store, v. t.] A set of rooms on the same floor or level; a floor, or the space between two floors. Also, a horizontal division of a building's exterior considered architecturally, which need not correspond exactly with the stories within. [Written also storey.]
Note: A story comprehends the distance from one floor to another; as, a story of nine or ten feet elevation. The spaces between floors are numbered in order, from below upward; as, the lower, second, or third story; a house of one story, of two stories, of five stories.
That's just for the reply you left on my far superior post.
So next time you want to edit my work, maybe you should think about going and fucking yourself with a dictionary first.
There's more coming...
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-06-21 20:47:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JChristian1965 (user info) at 2004-06-21 13:11:58 (#)
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hidden- Well, how about this, then: Originally it was up to the United Nations to ensure that Middle Eastern countries and European countries played by the "rules" and pitched in for the the greater global good. Ever since the first Desert Storm, it has been a complete pain in the ass to get weapons inspectors in Iraq. Everyone else played ball, but Saddam didn't. They sanctioned Iraq, fine. That didn't work. While the UN wanted to keep stalling and stalling, finally the US decided to do something about it.
The question is, when a country decides to play the rogue and tells everyone else to fuck off, who's going to do something about it? I personally don't think we should have just told the UN to get out of the way, but that doesn't change the fact that Saddam was making his citizens pay for his stubborness. The citizens were the ones paying the price for the sanctions the UN put on Iraq, and yet no one was willing to do anything about it except for the US.
How long were the Iraqi people supposed to live in poverty because Saddam didn't want to listen to the UN? Now we got him out of power with the intention of a more compassionate replacement. It probably won't work, but it's worth the effort.
To me it's understandable that we have constant uprisings in Iraq, because if someone came into our country we'd be doing the same thing. But, many times the ends justify the means, and if the end in this case is a better situation for the Iraqi people (by Iraq finally being able to join the rest of the world in economic trade and a type of democracy), then there has been a victory of sorts. It's not about us spreading American culture. Europe runs with a democracy. So does almost every country in the American continent. Most Muslim countries use democracy. To label it as strictly "American culture" is ignorant.
Nuff said.
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no, it's not "Nuff said". i never said democracy was "strictly American culture". there's a lot of people out there that have the same attitude as you. "you can't make an omlette without breaking a few eggs", right? personally, i find that rather insulting. why? because i'm in the US military. that means you're suggesting it's ok that i could possibly die so the Iraqis MIGHT have it better.
"Now we got him out of power with the intention of a more compassionate replacement. It probably won't work, but it's worth the effort."
oh, it's probably won't work, but what the hell, it's worth a shot. why don't i go over there and risk my life to see if it will work? sure thing, why not? if you're not in the military, it's pretty easy to say that, huh? i took an oath to *DEFEND* this country, but i guess it's ok for me to die for political agenda, too, right? listen to me- I DON'T GIVE A *FUCK* ABOUT IRAQ. i want to see the billions of American's tax dollars working for *ME*, not for Iraq. i want better schools for my future children, i want Bush to start some environmental programs to fix the damage he caused, i want A FUCKING JOB when i get out of the military next month. i don't WORK MY ASS OFF for the government's measly paycheck so that my tax dollars can go to Iraq. i might as well go work over there, right? sure, the only thing i'd have to worry about is getting beheaded. no big deal.
Submitted by tshia (user info) at 2004-06-21 20:10:53 EDT (#)
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method, you have no arguments, you have no points, why don't you piss off? I am sorry I hurt your feelings earlier (http://www.ubersite.com/m/35271) by calling you names ok? Now be a good little boy and don't come back.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2004-06-21 19:53:31 EDT (#)
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shutup, thief.
Submitted by tshia (user info) at 2004-06-21 19:52:40 EDT (#)
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polyamorousaj you are a lot like method, read my reply to him about the same issue. What if I accused you of plagurising on every post? You have no proof, why? Because there is none, I wrote this article myself although I am flattered you think so highly of it.
Submitted by tshia (user info) at 2004-06-21 19:49:43 EDT (#)
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shitfuck:
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Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2004-06-09 12:03:08 (#)
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Goddamn, you are one stupid fucking bitch.
I don't mind poetry, but this ain't poetry, it's trivial shit.
In fact, most of your posts are a fucking joke. Don't bother with a comeback, I won't be reading any of your useless shit ever again--
I AVOID YOUR POSTS LIKE THE PLAGUE [emphasis added]
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listen up dim wit, you need this advice desperately. You are stupid, you have no knowledge, you know absolutely nothing about grammar, you are the worst writter in history, you are a disgusting and pathetic individual.
"I can't stand split infinitives" Guess what? I couldn't care less what you like or dislike. Using a split infinitive is a perfectly acceptable method of writing. It is grammatically acceptable and even if it weren't I wouldn't have changed that sentence you mentioned. Why? I like the way it sounds, that sentance was added for the purposes of style, another technique that is perfectly acceptable in writing.
Next time why don't you give your grammar lesson to some dolt like method who is too stupid to realize that you know absolutely nothing about grammar. Then you could pretend you are a genius and I won't have to listen to you. That would be great.
"Let me help--writer's don't come from privilaged, sheltered Valley girl lives such as yours"
After reading this I have to wonder, how can anyone so stupid possibly operate a keyboard? Writters come from a variety of backgrounds, I won't pretend I have led a difficult or tortured life, I haven't and I am not ashamed of that. I still intend to write though, if every writer came from your background (which was difficult and tortured I guess?) then ubersite would be filled with posts that glorify rape, posts composed almost entirely by curse words, and awful pictures edited in MS paint.
You arent smart. You aren't clever. Your writing makes me literally ill, so why don't you do what you promised and start avoiding my posts? I genuinely dislike you.
Submitted by polyamorousaj (user info) at 2004-06-21 19:29:52 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/36241#603534
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2004-06-21 19:05:39 EDT (#)
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I love you, shitfuck.
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2004-06-21 19:01:51 EDT (#)
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Ok--now I have read it.
See my replies below, except SHOUT THEM AT MAXIMUM VOLUME TO YOURSELF.
Your personal wish to be a writer--that's why you're doing this?
Let me help--writer's don't come from privilaged, sheltered Valley girl lives such as yours.
Writers are the ones getting into the dirt of everything--getting to the darkest, most unknown corners of existence. You'll never understand what kind of courage that takes--what kind of lonliness a life like that implicates.
Stay at home with your leather couch, your purse-dog and your bald headed "I'll do anything for my little Princess" father, you ignorant, useless cunt.
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2004-06-21 18:57:42 EDT (#)
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Have another because I seriously CAN'T STAND you as a member of humanity. You single handedly pull down the collective IQ by at least ten points. You should be shot and raped by a bunch of Mexicans dressed up like N' Synce, sipping on some McDonald's Coke and looking for porn on AOL.
Fucking twat.
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2004-06-21 18:55:58 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
To truly contest with someone you must believe that you are better than your opponent.
That's as far as I got...
You stupid bitch. I can't stand split infinitives--you think you're sounding all intelligent, but really you're just making yourself out to be an even bigger fucking moron than ever. THAN EVAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG roll on floor One !!!!!!!!.
Why don't you get a weblog and SHUT THE FUCK UP.
To truly contest=split infinitive
To boldly go=split infinitive
To contest truly=awkward, but accurate
Do you fucking get it?
You're welcome for your fucking grammar lesson you spoiled little wanna be. Maybe you should just stick to listening to Brittney, mimicing the Olson twins and making fun of fat chicks--ok?
Great, now die.
Submitted by dohnuts (user info) at 2004-06-21 17:10:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-06-21 03:54:38 (#)
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Not a bad writing. I don't mean to sound arrogant, but there's really no question that the US is "better" than Iraq. I don't really see how anyone could think otherwise - no women in bags, no dictators raping and murdering, no gassing of dissident factions
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Yes, and that is the Iraq that America helped create by propping up Saddam, arming him, and then leaving him to do as he wished...right up until the time he decided to bite the hand that fed him.
Submitted by Ghostdude (user info) at 2004-06-21 17:03:45 EDT (#)
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I would pay you a quater to read that out to me.
Submitted by Oleannder (user info) at 2004-06-21 16:57:45 EDT (#)
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I think this was well written & thought provoking. Good job.
Submitted by tshia (user info) at 2004-06-21 16:44:44 EDT (#)
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Method, while you are certainly an impartial and immensely qualified judge of my writing talents I am afraid that in this case you are mistaken though, I did not plagurize this post. I am sure that individuals such as yourself have a fun time taking the work of other people, or your parents, I am not one of them. I write on ubersite to fulfil my own desire to write, not to try and earn a high rating or the respect of other uber users, thus plagarizim would be meaningless for me.
There is a thing though called presumption of innocence, in effect it means that everyone is innocent until proven guilty, otherwise everyone would be guilty until proven innocent. If you accuse of me of commiting plagarisum you should try to employ some evidence to back up your wild allegations, your personal judgement of my post means absolutely nothing as you are a highly biased and amazingly incompetant individual. I encourage you to search the internet or anything or anywhere else in an effort to prove my guilt, for I know such a search would prove my innocence. I did not plagurize this post.
You don't think this post is similar to my others? What about http://www.ubersite.com/m/32901 or http://www.ubersite.com/m/27815 not all of my posts are poems about bugs. Even if they were I will post what I feel like writing, a radical change in my subject does not mean I am now stealing the work of others.
Still I must say that your misguided and improper use of the word "plagiarism" is in a way a higher compliment than the one payed to me by hidden101, that you think this post is so good that I could not have possibly written it. Like I said earlier though you are wrong, I wrote this myself after reading http://www.ubersite.com/m/36091.
Sometimes I go outside and watch the bug zapper on my porch method, little insects keep flying into it and killing themselves. I once thought that their stupidity was fascinating to watch, then I discovered you, and suddenly the bugs were simply outclassed. You are dull witted and inarticulate, I have thrown things away that were worth more than you. In the future you would be well advised to base your accusations off of proof, evidence, or something else than your immature jealous immagination. I would also appreciate it if you could die. Think you could get to work on that? Okay.
Submitted by JChristian1965 (user info) at 2004-06-21 13:11:58 EDT (#)
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hidden- Well, how about this, then: Originally it was up to the United Nations to ensure that Middle Eastern countries and European countries played by the "rules" and pitched in for the the greater global good. Ever since the first Desert Storm, it has been a complete pain in the ass to get weapons inspectors in Iraq. Everyone else played ball, but Saddam didn't. They sanctioned Iraq, fine. That didn't work. While the UN wanted to keep stalling and stalling, finally the US decided to do something about it.
The question is, when a country decides to play the rogue and tells everyone else to fuck off, who's going to do something about it? I personally don't think we should have just told the UN to get out of the way, but that doesn't change the fact that Saddam was making his citizens pay for his stubborness. The citizens were the ones paying the price for the sanctions the UN put on Iraq, and yet no one was willing to do anything about it except for the US.
How long were the Iraqi people supposed to live in poverty because Saddam didn't want to listen to the UN? Now we got him out of power with the intention of a more compassionate replacement. It probably won't work, but it's worth the effort.
To me it's understandable that we have constant uprisings in Iraq, because if someone came into our country we'd be doing the same thing. But, many times the ends justify the means, and if the end in this case is a better situation for the Iraqi people (by Iraq finally being able to join the rest of the world in economic trade and a type of democracy), then there has been a victory of sorts. It's not about us spreading American culture. Europe runs with a democracy. So does almost every country in the American continent. Most Muslim countries use democracy. To label it as strictly "American culture" is ignorant.
Nuff said.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-06-21 11:45:41 EDT (#)
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indoninja- how old are you? that was the dumbest thing i've read on Ubersite in a long time, and that's saying a lot. what i was talking about has nothing to do with being "PC". i'm with Mick- that analogy was so far off base, it's unbelievable. re-read what the fuck you just wrote, son-
"Some cultures are better than others."
uh... ok. if that's what you want to believe. forget about that little thing called "circumstance". it has nothing to do with anything. you were meant to be born into the superior culture, right Hitler?
"I am not saying Americas is the best, but it is better than anything in the middle east"
you're telling the wrong person. tell them. oh wait... that wouldn't be a good idea. they might want to send some terrorists after a person that said something that ignorant.
"There are evil things that go on in the world, you can either say it is ok it is their culture, or you can try and stop it."
oh, you mean like how they flew some planes into buildings here to try and stop what they believed to be an "evil culture"?
"We shouldn't invade everyone with different cultures than US but we should try and change them."
wow, you're a real intellectual giant, aren't you? so it's ok for the US to spread it's "superiority"? how would you like it if China disagreed with our culture and decided to come in and change it? you wouldn't like that very much, would you? who are they to judge us, right? now flip the script. are you getting it yet? just because America has all the bombs doesn't mean they have the right to say how other people should be living. if you think the US is bringing a happy democracy to Iraq, you have another thing coming.
here's a better analogy than the crap one you gave-
you grow up in America, and most likely you are taught a Christian religion, and that's what you believe to be right. what if you were born in a place where Buddhism was the only religion? you'd have a shaved head and be wearing an orange robe.
everyone thinks they are right, but the morality you know is not international code. i know it's hard to imagine people being different when you never come out of your little box or take off your blinders.
Submitted by MickGinny (user info) at 2004-06-21 09:18:34 EDT (#)
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that analogy made me want to tap my head with a hammer.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2004-06-21 07:54:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-06-21 04:13:01 (#)
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"Can you not say to me, clearly and without doubt, that this is an evil tradition?"
it depends on your perspective. i don't expect you to understand, but seriously, try to open your eyes a little more. i'm not saying i possess an unfathomable amount of wisdom, but like i said, it depends on your perspective. you didn't grow up there. i know you haven't forgotten that a lot of cultures think your culture is evil, too.
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This is bullshit. Right and wrong does not change when you enter a different country. Some things are fundamentally wrong. Using your argument then we should not judge Nazi's in WWII, the Nazi's had a different culture, it was ok for them to try and exterminate the Jews. They were wrong, and Saddam was wrong. I am not the US saying invading was the best idea, but to say we cannot hold people to any type of moral standard because they come from a different culture is bullshit. This is why I hate PC horseshot, it has people so afraid to insult other cultures, or be branded ignorant, that they are afraid to even consider that something another culture accepts must be wrong. Some cultures are better than others. I am not saying Americas is the best, but it is better than anything in the middle east, and I am not saying that justifies going into Iraq. It would be nice to float through life and think that every culture is beautiful, pure, innocent and right in its own way, but that is an incredably naive point of view that does not work in the real world. There are evil things that go on in the world, you can either say it is ok it is their culture, or you can try and stop it. If everyone accepts other cultures like that this world will never become a better place. We shouldn't invade everyone with different cultures than US but we should try and change them.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2004-06-21 07:24:00 EDT (#)
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If he/she did write this, I will gladly aqcuiesce and shut my mouth. My bullshit detector, however, is going all sorts of apeshit over this one.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-06-21 06:56:42 EDT (#)
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Method- i thought the same thing, considering her previous posts, but i believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt. it's up to her to admit it if she didn't really write it.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2004-06-21 06:16:52 EDT (#)
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You didn't write this. I can guarantee it. How do I know this? Your writing thus far has been on par with a mentally handicapped third grader. You are not capable of writing this. You most likely plagiarized this from someone. Maybe you got your daddy or mommy to write this, but it is most definitely not your own work. I'm sorry, but there is no way you can produce tons of garbage, and then write like this. There's no fucking way.
Don't believe me? Look through her previous posts, and then tell me that tshia is capable of writing this. This is worse than when someone hands in a term paper that they bought from an internet site. It's so obvious, it's scary.
I'm glad you're making a concerted effort in improving your posts, but next time, use your own work. This is blatant plagiarism. It's a wonder you got through high school.
Submitted by mikethescottish (user info) at 2004-06-21 05:59:00 EDT (#)
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An intelligent, reasoned argument. I tip my hat in your general direction.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-06-21 04:16:39 EDT (#)
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if you think i sound like an idiot, imagine me as an old manchurian man. those guys always sound like they know what they are talking about in movies.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-06-21 04:13:01 EDT (#)
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"Can you not say to me, clearly and without doubt, that this is an evil tradition?"
it depends on your perspective. i don't expect you to understand, but seriously, try to open your eyes a little more. i'm not saying i possess an unfathomable amount of wisdom, but like i said, it depends on your perspective. you didn't grow up there. i know you haven't forgotten that a lot of cultures think your culture is evil, too.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-06-21 04:04:13 EDT (#)
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Hidden, don't ever listen to that dumbass teacher again. That's the sort of bullcrap that breeds a person with no moral compass. Many Muslim countries have "honor killings", where a woman who has somehow damaged the family's honor (sometimes by being raped or refusing an arranged marriage) is killed. The more brutal the killing, the more they are absolved of shame. Can you not say to me, clearly and without doubt, that this is an evil tradition?
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-06-21 03:58:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-06-21 03:54:38 (#)
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Not a bad writing. I don't mean to sound arrogant, but there's really no question that the US is "better" than Iraq. I don't really see how anyone could think otherwise - no women in bags, no dictators raping and murdering, no gassing of dissident factions (at least not anymore). I'm certain some smartass will say "George Bush", but any normal person knows there's no real comparison.
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what's considered "normal"? i think you need to read this quote again-
"A teacher once told me that I could not judge other cultures because there was nothing about a culture that was fundamentally right or wrong, there is nothing about a culture that is fundamentally good or evil."
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-06-21 03:54:38 EDT (#)
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Not a bad writing. I don't mean to sound arrogant, but there's really no question that the US is "better" than Iraq. I don't really see how anyone could think otherwise - no women in bags, no dictators raping and murdering, no gassing of dissident factions (at least not anymore). I'm certain some smartass will say "George Bush", but any normal person knows there's no real comparison.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-06-21 03:45:33 EDT (#)
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you have earned my respect tonight. i'm awestruck by the immense logic and reason contained within this post. i only wish i could rate this higher.
two great quotes here-
"This attitude and the products of it have been demonstrated quite clearly by the conflict in Iraq, the United States, and its cohorts, would never have invaded Iraq had they not believed themselves to be superior to Iraq, not only ideologically superior but militarily as well."
"A teacher once told me that I could not judge other cultures because there was nothing about a culture that was fundamentally right or wrong, there is nothing about a culture that is fundamentally good or evil."
pertaining to the second quote- people can argue until they are blue in the face that common morality would suggest that America is right, but for those of my friends that have been to Iraq and seen it firsthand, they know better. it is ignorant for the common American to believe that benevolent America is doing right. there are facets to the situation in the Middle East that the majority of Americans can never comprehend. America helped make Iraq what it is today and war doesn't seem to be the way to rectify that to me.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2004-06-21 03:42:20 EDT (#)
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shutup, stupid.