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Submitted by <GhostWriter> (View user info) at 2004-07-01 01:35:40 EDT
I just saw the movie today and I agree with you. Bush wasn't handed a silver platter. He was handed one of the toughest terms that a president has had to endure. He had to deal with the second attack on US soil. He had to retaliate in order to protect our country and show the world that we mean businuess. I liked Moore's prior movies, but unlike his other movies, this one was not backed behind fact. I realize that he takes a lot of things out of context in his movies, but this one takes the cake. He is out to make Bush look bad. Propoganda. He tries to link Bush with evil, and he does so by making ridiculous points and connections. When we elect a president, we trust him to make decisions that in turn will protect and better our country. How can we bash our own president like this. Other countries bash our president, and many citizens of this country do the same. How can we call ourselves Americans if we hate our country and our leaders? Why does the media constantly, like Moore, take things out of context or over-emphasize things to the point where the citizens of this country detest us (ie. POW in Iraq)?
Ofcourse, what our soldiers did was wrong...but they are chopping off the heads of our soldiers and we're still more concerned with the whole POW thing. I think that we need to realize that Bush is doing a job. He went in with the encouragement and acceptance of the majority of our nation, and now he refuses to back out solely because the people are beginning to disapprove. He is finishing the job! He is closing something that his father left wide open. When you go to get your car fixed, you don't want it to be only half completed, you want the entire car to be fixed. None of this half-ass whiny stuff anymore. Please! We elected him. He is protecting us. He is protecting our economy. ( http://www.ubersite.com/m/37202 ) He is making our nation safer.
Ofcourse, war is sad, but unfortunately it is what must be done. We have to retaliate against those that attack us, or else we become sitting ducks. Bush was not handed the term of simplicity, but rather one of complication. It is time to start supporting our president, our people, and our nation.
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Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2004-07-23 20:51:36 EDT (#)
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When we elect a president, we trust him to make decisions that in turn will protect and better our country.
You fucking moron, Bush wasn't elected, he was APPOINTED. There's a massive difference between the two.
It's sad sacks of shit like you and your family that bring the rest of the world down, Bush is a fucking idiot, he can't even speak publically without tripping over his tongue. I suggest you educate yourself before making sweeping statements such as this steaming pile of shit.
Submitted by Freight_Train (user info) at 2004-07-22 14:03:21 EDT (#)
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pride is a sin
Submitted by Adereterial (user info) at 2004-07-01 07:25:51 EDT (#)
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You didn't elect him.
And even if you did, you have the right to protest, disapprove and withdraw your support. But then, he took that away from you too, didn't he?
Submitted by fluff (user info) at 2004-07-01 07:17:00 EDT (#)
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You trust you President? Really? How stupid can one get...
Submitted by Ghostdude (user info) at 2004-07-01 04:30:14 EDT (#)
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I suspect you ripped my name off.
Submitted by Adam_Hussein (user info) at 2004-07-01 04:23:48 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Armadilo (user info) at 2004-07-01 02:51:58 EDT (#)
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Fuck you Ghostscrawl, you know diddly squat about the world, you're a wanker who lives in his own little cotton ball filled world
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-07-01 02:51:44 EDT (#)
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well, i'm off to bed. thanks for the good debate. it was refreshing after all the flame wars over this subject you see every day. i like to know what others think about this subject without the name calling. i'm willing to listen to anyone that is just as willing to listen to me.
although "i've seen better" when it comes to the actual body of the post, GhostWriter, JuevoSplash, Fabish, and Spooner deserve a +2 here.
Submitted by EndMyPain (user info) at 2004-07-01 02:48:26 EDT (#)
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fuck america. as soon as i get the money im returning to my fatherland, germany. america can suck it.
Submitted by GhostWriter (user info) at 2004-07-01 02:38:18 EDT (#)
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Well said. Very informative and insightful debate.
Submitted by JuevoSplash (user info) at 2004-07-01 02:37:45 EDT (#)
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I have an idea to make the war not seem so bad
You are out protesting the war and then some big dude just punches you in the face and you are like "ah man, the wars not so bad after a punch to the face! he just punched me in the face!"
eh, i don't think that joke worked, and i stole it from dane cook about waiting in line
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-07-01 02:35:08 EDT (#)
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i might. i'm just glad you don't think i'm coming off as a pompous asshole. a lot of people think that about me. sometimes i am an asshole, though. i know it, and i try not to be so much.
with a calm debate like this one, we can learn from each other and gain perspectives we might not have seen otherwise.
Submitted by GhostWriter (user info) at 2004-07-01 02:30:52 EDT (#)
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Haha, email me your aim and we can debate sometime, hidden.
Submitted by GhostWriter (user info) at 2004-07-01 02:29:51 EDT (#)
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I completely agree hidden.
Try making a bit of snese next time please, Amridilo.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-07-01 02:29:48 EDT (#)
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on a side note, this is the most pleasant and constructive debate i've had about this issue.
besides the occasional asshole's reply, this seems to be a rational and couth debate.
Submitted by JuevoSplash (user info) at 2004-07-01 02:29:25 EDT (#)
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I think you have a good perspective on things hidden
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-07-01 02:27:58 EDT (#)
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just remember, this country was still mad as hell when the Iraq invasion was proposed. of course most of America supported it. we were still out for blood. the twin towers were gone and 3,000 people were dead.
i did not support the Iraq invasion. others did, blinded by hate and anger. Iraq never attacked us or threatened us. just because there are America haters there doesn't mean a damn thing. those people are all over the world.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-07-01 02:24:58 EDT (#)
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true. i can't say i wanted it, though. i was all for going into Afghanistan. dead civilians or not- we knew Osama was there and the Taliban wouldn't give them up. it's their job to protect their citizens and since they didn't want to give up Osama, they were basically saying that their civilians were expendable to protect Osama because they knew we'd start bombing the shit out of them if they didn't give him up. that's quite dishonorable and it showed their hate for us by their support for Osama.
Submitted by Armadilo (user info) at 2004-07-01 02:20:56 EDT (#)
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Handed a sack of shit, what from Clinton??? You need to get you're fucking head examined if you actually believe the shit you just posted. Fuck off and die, or at least come to the Middle East and get some first hand perspectives.
Submitted by GhostWriter (user info) at 2004-07-01 02:19:27 EDT (#)
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I agree, but I'm just saying that the majority of the country wanted this war to start with. If you're going to do a job, you better finish it, hopefully preventing the situation from occuring again.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-07-01 02:13:24 EDT (#)
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"It is definitely a disgusting and tragic thing...but this is war. War is not a pretty thing."
you can't just say "that's war" when something terrible happens. it's a cop-out. try instead to say "maybe war isn't the answer. look at the terrible things it is causing." unless you're all for war. i'm not. one time someone i knew did a terrible thing to me. i could have killed him in retaliation, and he knew it. he said to me, "do it if you must." i thought about it and realized how completely unnecessary it was. i turned the other cheek, life went on, and it's all in the past.
war is not always the answer. it only makes the other side angrier and it perpetuates. war begets war.
it is sad that so many lives were lost on 9/11, but killing more people won't do anything but perpetuate the hate.
Submitted by JuevoSplash (user info) at 2004-07-01 02:13:19 EDT (#)
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"Of course, war is sad, but unfortunately it is what must be done. We have to retaliate against those that attack us, or else we become sitting ducks."
It is that kind of thinking that is a danger to this world. Iraq never attacked us, but we invaded their country and killed thousands and thousands of civilians. For what? Unfortunately the ends do not justify the means here.
Submitted by busy (user info) at 2004-07-01 02:09:02 EDT (#)
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I think you are misinformed. Or malinformed.
I picked this whole thing apart, sentance-by-sentance, but then cut it all down to just this.
"It is time to start supporting our president, our people, and our nation."
You can support a nation without supporting its president.
Submitted by GhostWriter (user info) at 2004-07-01 02:08:35 EDT (#)
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I am aware of the possibility that he may be looking out for his best interests, but the fact remains that he is our president...the majority of the country approved of going into the war, and now everyone wants to back out. He is finishing the job that he started.
Submitted by GhostWriter (user info) at 2004-07-01 02:06:06 EDT (#)
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I'm just saying that the media focuses so much on what our president does wrong that any good he does gets shun out. Approval ratings dropped drastically when the POW abuse was discovered. The media focused so much and so heavily on this issue. It is definitely a disgusting and tragic thing...but this is war. War is not a pretty thing.
Also, Michael Moore had footage of the POW abuse 6 months before the media discovered the abuse and released it to the public. Moore hid vital footage from the government and more importantly the public...and for what? So he could suprise and impact more people. This movie presented many things that we already knew, just compiled and added dramatic music, some clips taken out of context, distrubing images, and some pointless connections.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-07-01 02:03:56 EDT (#)
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i love Fabish.
....in a gay way.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-07-01 02:03:17 EDT (#)
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"He tried to make our president look like Satan."
that is because Moore believes Bush may be using his power for personal gain. i'm not saying i agree, but it is most certainly a possibility. it would be quite niave to say it's not possibly. let's not forget Bush had always been a businessman out to make money, and lots of it. that's why he got his hand into the oil business. it's big money. i'm sorry, but it really does make me wonder if he's looking out for America's best interests or his own.
greed is evil, there's no doubt about that. that's where the satan reference comes in.
Submitted by Fabish (user info) at 2004-07-01 02:02:03 EDT (#)
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One comment about the beheadings - They truly show the despicable atrocity of humanity, but in the Middle East, beheadings are like hangings used to be in the U.S. It's not all so uncommon, but I still despise it.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-07-01 01:58:27 EDT (#)
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"Ofcourse, what our soldiers did was wrong...but they are chopping off the heads of our soldiers and we're still more concerned with the whole POW thing."
beheadings do not justify POW abuse. if we want to look like the just ones here, we must follow the Geneva Conventions terms we agreed to and are legally bound to. it's not about severity. it's about principle.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-07-01 01:55:20 EDT (#)
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"I liked Moore's prior movies, but unlike his other movies, this one was not backed behind fact."
you might wanna back that up with something specific. Moore let a lot of footage do the talking this time. sure, he took some things out of context. sure, he made some smartass comments. but you cannot deny some of the footage. like the CIA agents giving their testimonials. there's some really good stuff in this film, unlike his other ones.
"Michael Moore didn't do ANYTHING useful in this movie to change something that he dislike about this country."
ummm... that was kinda the point of THE ENTIRE MOVIE. he's trying to make CHANGE with this movie.
"Gay Marriage: Gather petitions, get signatures, call a Senator, a Congressman."
oh trust me, the gays are fighting harder than you think, and i commend them. the problem is, it's hard for them to make progress when the people in charge are so closed-minded.
Submitted by Vermin (user info) at 2004-07-01 01:52:37 EDT (#)
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Fuck Ya! Read my diatribe againts M.M. http://www.ubersite.com/m/37041
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-07-01 01:48:22 EDT (#)
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"When we elect a president, we trust him to make decisions that in turn will protect and better our country. How can we bash our own president like this. Other countries bash our president, and many citizens of this country do the same. How can we call ourselves Americans if we hate our country and our leaders?"
just because someone is President, it doesn't automatically make him trustworthy. don't be so niave. and you might call it "bashing", but i think it is much more unAmerican to keep your mouth shut if you believe something is wrong than blind patriotism. afterall, our government is one based on a system of checks and balances. thankfully we have freedom of speech (let's not forget the Patriot Act is taking rights away from us). i don't hate this country, but i don't have to like the leader of it. i didn't elect him, and i believe he is doing terrible harm with his power.
you don't seem to understand.
"Ofcourse, war is sad, but unfortunately it is what must be done. We have to retaliate against those that attack us, or else we become sitting ducks."
i don't believe war is the answer. war is terrible. how can you say it must be done, as if there was no other option? and Iraq never attacked us.
Submitted by GhostWriter (user info) at 2004-07-01 01:47:13 EDT (#)
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Well then...
1) Move to Canada
2) Do something useful to change the things you don't like in this country
Michael Moore didn't do ANYTHING useful in this movie to change something that he dislike about this country. He tried to make our president look like Satan.
Gay Marriage: Gather petitions, get signatures, call a Senator, a Congressman.
-What the Mayor in SF did wrong was that he went about it the wrong way. He did what HE thought was right. How can we have a leader that doesn't even follow the rules of our own government. He did not have the power or authority to do what he did. Even though it may be the right thing to do, he is a politcal leader in this country, and he should follow the rules, as all do. He went about it the wrong way, he should have consulted those with the authority to change this law. Taking matters into his own hands was probably not the best way to go.
Submitted by KoolMang (user info) at 2004-07-01 01:45:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Spooner (user info) at 2004-07-01 01:40:11 EDT (#)
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I wanna know something...
Why should I be proud of my country? Because I was born here? What if I was born in France?
Alos, is there a good reason why Bush trumpets the freedoms of America, then tries to limit them with things like the Patriot Act and restrictions on Gay marriage? Hmm?
Canada has more freedom than us.
Submitted by youarsoghey (user info) at 2004-07-01 01:39:28 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/24173
Submitted by atz (user info) at 2004-07-01 01:38:28 EDT (#)
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"I liked Moore's prior movies, but unlike his other movies, this one was not backed behind fact."
What?