The bible is vague and open-ended, meaning you can refer to it to back up ANY argument you put forth (845 hits)
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Submitted by Pol Pot (View user info) at 2004-07-08 04:58:17 EDT
Sexual preference, alcohol/drug use & general ethics are a few of the topics religious figures of Christianity and Islam use in their sermons/teachings. So these bibles and korans must be pretty much dead set in their stances on such topics, right? Bull. Fuck.
On any of these topics you can go into the bible and find verses referring to them. Yet the Christian bible is so vague and contradictory you can choose ANY topic and use the bible to find a verse that suits your own stance.
For example; murder/capital punishment:
Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."
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Numbers 15:36 "And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."
If you were against capital punishment you could choose the top verse. If you felt the need to preach, as so many religious people do (most often when not invited), you could proudly say that killing another is unacceptable, and even THE BIBLE stands behind you in that statement. Yet if you believe capital punishment is just, you could preach THAT stance and THE BIBLE would STILL stand behind you. Very versatile this bible is.
The bible is completely irrelevent in today's living. Quote a thesis, quote a physicist or a anthropologist, but if you quote the bible all it means is you are clutching at straws and more than likely you are either incorrect, or correct but not for the right reasons.
Go ahead Fetish, this is your cue.
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Submitted by Vermin (user info) at 2004-07-16 02:39:27 EDT (#)
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Hey squattail, you haven't been banned as polpot too have you?
Submitted by Hairsphincter (user info) at 2004-07-11 20:15:56 EDT (#)
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lame
Submitted by satchel (user info) at 2004-07-08 13:44:19 EDT (#)
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NetProphet - thanks for that website. It's fascinating.
Submitted by NetProphet (user info) at 2004-07-08 12:56:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by AndraSidan (user info) at 2004-07-08 12:46:35 (#)
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"A person can make anything say anything if done correctly. I could "edit" your writings and make them say the opposite of what you said if I so desired."
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"[P]eople (on ANY issue for that matter, not just ones of religious nature) who have done virtually no in-depth study of an issue attempt to make a "qualified" statement."
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Isn't that the foundation of religion? Make a bunch of vague statements, many contradictory to each other, so that any problem can be solved by taking part of the doctrine out of its context to meet the current situation's needs? It allows for an infinite number of subchurches, each partially or wholly in contradiction with each other, so that the main religion thrives while letting each follower believe they have something "original" and "true".
And if you don't think the Bible has contradictions, please read this most excellent excerpt from one of Scott Bidstrup's many informative essays (found at bidstrup.com).
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THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS QUOTED FROM www.bidstrup.com/bible2.htm:
Of all the contradictions and inconsistencies in the Bible, few make more of a mess of things than the four accounts of the crucifixion and resurrection as given in the four gospels.
Here we have a single narrative, told by four different authors, that is so contradictory that I've never seen an explanation of it. It will be interesting to see the fundamentalists untangle this mess. For the sake of brevity, we'll just pick up the story on that first Easter Sunday:
When the sun was coming up (Matt. 28:1) while it was still dark (John 20:1), Mary Magdalene (John 20:1) or Mary Magdalene and the other Mary (Matt 28:1) or "the women" [note the plural] (Luke 24:1) went to the tomb. There was an earthquake, and an angel came down and rolled the stone away (Matt. 28:2) from the entrance of the tomb and sat on it, even though it had apparently already been rolled away when Mary Magdalene had got there (John 20:1, Mark 16:4, Luke 24:2). The reason for the visit was to anoint the body with spices (Mark 16:1, Luke 24:1) or just to look at the tomb (Matt. 28:1), take your pick.
When she or they, take your pick, arrived, she/they witnessed the earthquake and angel coming down from heaven (Matt. 28:1), or they walked into the tomb to discover a young man dressed in white sitting on the right (Mark 16:5) or two men in bright shining clothes (Luke 24:4), take your pick.
At this point, John says that Mary had run back to fetch Peter and another disciple. The other gospel writers make no mention of Mary taking leave of the tomb to go back and get any of the men at this point.
If/when she/they returned, the angel (Mark 15:6) or the angels (Luke 24:5) is/are quoted by the gospel writers as having said one of three things. Either "He is not here, he is raised, just as he said." (Matt. 28:6) or "He is not here, he has been raised." (Mark 15:6, Luke 24:6) or "Woman, why are you crying?" (John 20:13).
So the woman or women ran from the tomb to tell the disciples (Matt. 28:8) or they left, too terrified to say anything to anyone (Mark 16:8), take your pick.
Mary Magdalene saw Jesus appear to her and decided he'd been resurrected (John 20:14-18). Or the women, having left the tomb and thinking things over, were sure that Jesus' body had been stolen, so they tried to bribe the soldiers guarding the tomb to tell them where the body had been taken (Matt. 28:11-15).
I'm sorry, but at this point, the stories diverge so completely, it is not possible to correlate them any further. But that's OK, because by now, you get the point. There are just too many glaring inconsistencies here, most of which are mutually exclusive without some really implausible apologetics. So much so that it's ludicrous to claim that the four accounts are all true. As you've seen, they can't possibly be.
If you want to get a real sense of the inconsistencies in the narrative of the four gospels, start with the trial of Jesus, and compare the accounts in the gospels side by side, reading the account of each incident in the narrative in each gospel before going on to the next incident in the narrative. It will quickly become obvious just how inconsistent the Bible really is.
Submitted by Dead_0hi0_Sky (user info) at 2004-07-08 12:56:10 EDT (#)
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you stole my picture. which, i just so happened to steal myself the first time i posted it. man, you're a thief.
Submitted by NetProphet (user info) at 2004-07-08 12:47:33 EDT (#)
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Submitted by itchy (user info) at 2004-07-08 09:37:29 (#)
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You have shaken my faith to its very core. Your insights are as profound as they are original.
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Itchy's first sentence might have been facetious, but the second couldn't be more true...
Submitted by AndraSidan (user info) at 2004-07-08 12:46:35 EDT (#)
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If you had done any objective study of the Bible at all, you'd know how ridiculous your statements really are. Who did you steal your example from? Since when does two versus make a book with thousands false?
Next, have you even read the surrounding passages? The only way to "prove" that the Bible is vague and contradictory is to take isolated versus out of context. A person can make anything say anything if done correctly. I could "edit" your writings and make them say the opposite of what you said if I so desired. I've seen people take a verse, or part of a verse, couple it with some other minute passage and claim that the Bible says things like "Satan and Jesus are brothers" or "Jesus slept with Mary."
I'm not saying the Bible is clear on every issue; what bothers me is when people (on ANY issue for that matter, not just ones of religious nature) who have done virtually no in-depth study of an issue attempt to make a "qualified" statement. Your pathetic arguments have been said time and time again, and are just a ridiculous every time. I HAVE done an in-depth study of the Bible, and I have not found it to be "vague and contradictory." In fact many of the so-call contradictions actually compliment each other when one reads them in context. Whether I believe the Bible or not is irrelevant; you, good sir, have no foundation to back up what you said and obviously very little education in the issue you are attempting to make a point in. Come back when you have something real to say.
Submitted by DarkTemplarDM (user info) at 2004-07-08 10:59:54 EDT (#)
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I agree with you. The bible sucks and so does god.
Submitted by Chief_Rugger (user info) at 2004-07-08 10:19:33 EDT (#)
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I'm calling shenanigans, no one can be this big an ass, probably just trying to get his hit rating up. ever notice how all his posts are all incredibly smallminded about religion?
Submitted by itchy (user info) at 2004-07-08 09:37:29 EDT (#)
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You have shaken my faith to its very core. Your insights are as profound as they are original.
Submitted by AlahAckbar (user info) at 2004-07-08 08:10:04 EDT (#)
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To even think that humans have the right to decide who lives and who dies is retarded.
I love it when christians support the death penelty: I.e. Oh he was evil, so we can kill him because it's justice.
OK douche: You claim that it is justice, right? Now, if the man was declared guilty, and given the chair, then after he was executed it was proven that he was innocent, that would be MURDER.
The bible contridicts itself almost every other word.
alahackbarians; 4:20: "And verily, Jesus went into the city of Nazarath, or maybe he didn't, I think he did, but I'm positive he didn't, and he said 'verily, I say unto yee, go forth and multiply, and produce many children, but stay virigins! Then take a left at 57th st, and verily thoust wilst comst to a diner named "big willy's pancake house" and stopth there, and tryth the pancakes, for I have seenth they are the bomb. Amen."
SHUT THE FUCK UP. I get enough of this crap at family gatherings.
My sister is catholic
My OTHER sister is born again
My parents are mormon.
I'm a Taoist.
Fun times had by all.
Submitted by Chief_Rugger (user info) at 2004-07-08 08:04:00 EDT (#)
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-2 cause I hate you.
Submitted by JeremiahC (user info) at 2004-07-08 07:45:09 EDT (#)
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This is stupid. These two verses do not conradict one another. The commandment "Thou shall not kill" refers to murder. Numbers 15:36 describes an act of justice. The man is stoned as punishment for breaking the law. This is not murder!
Submitted by Martyn_Steiner (user info) at 2004-07-08 07:06:04 EDT (#)
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I agree with the statement that the bible is contradictory. But, in ancient times people saw things as acts of God and thus it is perfectly plausable that things which were not divinely inspired at all got into the bible. After, it is written by humans. Also, contradictions between the old and new testaments can, I think, often be explained by the 'new way' brought by Jesus. He said the most important things were to love God and love your neighbour - surely these are good things to try and do?
It also often happens that a biblical verse is taken out of context and thus its meaning is changed. This is quite a bad example, but people talk about how the the exodus pharaoh was asked "let my people go" by moses. And then he's made out to have gone back on his word when he chased them when they ran off. But, they actually asked "let my people go on a three day trip into the desert so that they may worship our God". Pharaoh agreed and they buggered off. I don't know about you, but I'd be pissed if half my work force ran off without my permission...
Testicles.
Submitted by I_Have_a_Kristen_Fetish (user info) at 2004-07-08 06:55:40 EDT (#)
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Nice of you to -2 everyone of my old posts.
It's on. Bitch.
Submitted by February_baf (user info) at 2004-07-08 06:51:44 EDT (#)
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Religioon is for fags. Real fags. I used the bible once to wipe my ass. I couldnt find any newspapers. Yo know this pain brother??
Submitted by I_Have_a_Kristen_Fetish (user info) at 2004-07-08 06:50:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2004-07-08 06:32:13 EDT (#)
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ah, you are anti bible.
my apologies.
+2.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2004-07-08 06:13:40 EDT (#)
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bible = auto -2.
plus you have been a cock recently.
Submitted by vex (user info) at 2004-07-08 05:59:15 EDT (#)
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One example does not a post make.
Submitted by Fleadh (user info) at 2004-07-08 05:55:50 EDT (#)
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You've done better......