Modern American Fascist (4710 hits)
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Submitted by The Toddfather <thetoddfather.at.hotmail.com> (View user info) at 2004-07-10 00:24:39 EDT
I have read a lot of posts by confused Americans wondering why people are linking their nation to fascism. Here is a brief explanation.
Dictionary.com defines fascism as:
Fascism
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
Presently in the US of A, all three branches of your federal government are dominated by the extreme right. The extreme left is Communism, the extreme right is Fascism. The American Democrats sit somewhere in the middle. Canada has been historically left of center. Other nations like Denmark offer Cradle to Grave medical and such.
Let's begin with Communism. Communism is the most misunderstood of all political beliefs. There has never been a Communist state. That's right. Never been a Communist state. There have been attempts, but it has never actually been put to the test. I won't go into details about what it is in this post, but essentially, everyone lives equally. Communist author Carl Marx said it could never be successful as long as there was one single capitalist system in existence because greed would topple it.
Fascism, on the other hand, has been successfully implemented, and on more than one occasion. Key ingredients of fascism are things like:
1) The nation, its leader, and its symbols (Flag) are sacred. It is important that the common people place these things up near God, or even above God. This kind of loyalty is crucial to its success, or people will begin to question the motives of their leader and nation.
2) A high degree of censorship is always present.
3) A high degree of propaganda is fed to the population.
4) A highly centralized government.
5) Fascist usually feel they, their race, or their nation is superior to everyone else. Generally, this ties in with the propaganda and censorship. You see, if you censor the realities of Islam, and force consumption of propaganda on the people, they will become brainwashed.
All of these things are present today in America.
1) Few nations on Earth do more "hero building", which is the attempt to create role models that will mold the greater population into thinking along the right path, or emphasis on symbols than America. It is quite scary when you look at it. Off the top of my head, look at film titles like: Gods and Generals which clearly places American Civil War Generals next to God. Most of their war propaganda comes out of big budget films and the media. Their whole system is geared around convincing the people that God actually supports and likes America better than the other nations on Earth. This, of course, is very dangerous because people can be easily swayed to think that their nation would never do anything "ungodly".
2) Censorship is at an all time high in America as far as I'm concerned. If it wasn't for the lack of control over the internet, Americans would have very little clue about how the world feels about them right now. I'm sure we're all aware of Michael Moore's trouble getting his film out, which had to be bailed out by a Canadian firm. Censorship is especially effective when combined with propaganda and lies. Whole networks in America, the largest and most profitable, are nothing more than Republican campaigners. Fox is the most renown for this. Fox News is an absolutely disgusting piece of work, as is CNN. For most of the world, CNN and Fox are just another National Enquirer. My personal recommendation is the BBC website for fairly balanced journalism.
3) As mentioned above, propaganda has become an art-form in the US. They have perfected it and packaged it for all to consume. The ironic thing was how many Americans were angry because Saddam Hussein practiced these barbaric tactics on his people. Utilizing the media for the purposes of keeping the population ignorant is very effective if you want to, say, send them off to a bullshit war. Now, not all of this is controlled by government. The beauty of it is that it doesn't have to be. The richest members of America are also the ones holding the control of major networks. Wealth and power corrupts as we all know.
4) As already mentioned, Bush can pretty much hammer anything he wants through the legislature right now. He owns all three branches of the American government.
So, an effective way of censoring and such is to buy up all the competition, which has happened over the last two or three decades. Very few voices get heard from the center these days, and even if they did get into power, the other branches are dominated by the right.
5) Americans need a good dose of Humble Pie. They think their nation can do no wrong. Anything not-American is wrong. Anyone who opposes their tampering with the Earth can fuck off... I am, of course, generalizing big time. There are many great Americans who cut through the shit and see truth, and that's not easy when living in that country I'm sure. American's like Michael Moore are trying to see his nation be the best it can be for everyone, not just the rich. As far as I'm concerned, he has risked his life bringing out Fahrenheit 911, and I wouldn't be shocked in the least if he isn't assassinated. Many of my personal heroes come out of America. Great human beings like Woodie Guthrie, Steve Earle and Bob Dylan. People who stand up for what was decent and right in this god-awful world of ours.
I rather liked Al Franken's description of the difference between the way a democrat looks at his country and a Republican. I am summarizing here, but the gist was that a Republican looks at his country like a six year old child looks at their mother. Everything it does is good, and no one can challenge it at all. Mommy is great! No one can tell me different. A democrat on the other hand views his nation much like a grown up adult, he loves it very much, even with the blemishes. However, he wants to help Mom be the best person she can be. They see the good and the flaws for what they are, not some delusion of grandeur.
Here is a quote to think about in closing: "America, the best democracy money can buy."
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Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-07-29 14:24:05 EDT (#)
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damn how did I miss this?
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-19 13:06:43 EDT (#)
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My last words on this post,
To the people who think that Canadians hide behind the American military:
When has Canada ever needed your help? We've never been invaded or attacked by another nation, except America. That was a long time ago.
We have not needed a large army since World War II. Although we had some highlights like the Arrow in the 50s. A fighter-interceptor that rivalled anything the world could offer at the time. Built by a nation of fewer than 30 Million.
Our contribution to WWI was enormously successful. Anyone that knows our part in this war knows we were given most of the tough jobs because we did the impossible.
We had a huge role in WWII, and were given Juno Beach in the Normandy invasion because we had done so well.
Few Americans know that we had a major role in your Civil War as well. Between 40 and 60,000 Canadians helped end slavery in the US, which was a substantial contribution for a nation like Canada. Our population was miniscule compared to yours.
In later years Canada invented peacekeeping. We have remained a peacekeeping nation ever since.
Submitted by Vomitoxin_AKA_Cyst_Master (user info) at 2004-07-16 16:59:54 EDT (#)
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I totally agree. Same thing happened here http://www.ubersite.com/m/37531 and http://www.ubersite.com/m/38008
Submitted by Bizdorph (user info) at 2004-07-16 16:26:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by smokymtcsw (user info) at 2004-07-16 15:40:09 (#)
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Bizdorph
If you think Canada is a vast melting pot as well you are an idiot. I know what homogenous means, and I was pointing out that despite having a ton of people who are all the same (which often means lower crime and less issues of inequality based on race which can lead to tensions and depress an economy) which makes you like Scandanavia sociologically, you are not doing as well economically. That is because you suck. With your resources, if you had a limited government you would be doing incredibly. Just look at the economic difference in Alberta since the conservatives took over. It has outperformed every other province. I think it is awful that I am having to debate Canadian politics with you but there you go.
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Okay. I said that teh united states was the melting pot. I said Canada was not, therefore your first argument is null and void. One of the things Canada is proud of is its multicultural society: MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLES IN ONE COUNTRY. Therefore we don't have "a ton of people who are all the same".
While I agree that our economy is a big pile of steamy dog shit, I just don't believe a conservative government would improve that. TO explain all my reasons would be tedious and not worth the time, so I'll just say this: let's agree to disagree, and leave this where it is for now, because we WON'T have a conservative government for at least four years, so I'm not going to worry about it.
Submitted by smokymtcsw (user info) at 2004-07-16 15:40:09 EDT (#)
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Bizdorph
If you think Canada is a vast melting pot as well you are an idiot. I know what homogenous means, and I was pointing out that despite having a ton of people who are all the same (which often means lower crime and less issues of inequality based on race which can lead to tensions and depress an economy) which makes you like Scandanavia sociologically, you are not doing as well economically. That is because you suck. With your resources, if you had a limited government you would be doing incredibly. Just look at the economic difference in Alberta since the conservatives took over. It has outperformed every other province. I think it is awful that I am having to debate Canadian politics with you but there you go.
Submitted by UniBrowZIT (user info) at 2004-07-16 12:27:59 EDT (#)
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Bush is Stan... that's right.. Stan
Submitted by ralphmacchio (user info) at 2004-07-16 08:03:13 EDT (#)
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not a bad article, but i'm giving you a -2 because for fuck's sake, if you're going to argue something at least get the names right. it's KARL MARX, with a K, not a C. way to make yourself look like a complete idiot.
Submitted by tech-junkie (user info) at 2004-07-15 22:20:06 EDT (#)
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You uneducated tool.
The Republican system of government is NOT highly centralized. It emphasizes more power to the states with a limited federal government. Re-take your American Government class in high school.
President Bush does NOT own all three branches of government. He owns one, the Executive Branch. The other two have plentily nay-sayed some of his bills, most notably being the gay marriage ban. That system of checks and balances is what keeps the president from doing what you blantantly and wantonly are accusing him of.
As far as your bullshit censorship argument, I have one word for you, INTERNET!!! That single entity alone is enough for us to say that we live in the most liberal environment in our nation's history with regards to censorship.
You are the result of morons breeding with morons.
Submitted by Bizdorph (user info) at 2004-07-15 21:42:56 EDT (#)
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Meant to say "evolution". Sorry.
Submitted by Bizdorph (user info) at 2004-07-15 21:41:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by smokymtcsw (user info) at 2004-07-15 00:37:33 (#)
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Canada also sucks, and not just because of Quebec, but because despite the massive national resources, no need for defense spending (you are welcome) and homogenous population, you have health care that is worse than ours, an economy that is completely dependent on us and a socially progressive joke of a government that is attempting to ape Scandanavia. Onward towards 30 hour work weeks, legal drugs, 80 percent taxes, and loving homosexuality! Shed this Christian foundation! Lets get moving Canada! Yuck. I wish we could annex Alberta and that is all. As someone who has visited many parts of your beautiful country I must say, America never took you over because we did not need to, but as you screw yourself and your economy with your leftist garbage, I only hope you produce a Milan Kundera or similar great writer, maybe a novel called the Nova Scotia Archipelago as the communist leftists censor and brainwash the people.
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How is America any less dependent on us? Or the rest of the world for that matter? If every country currently in trade with the United States boycotted trade agreements solely with that country, you'd be ruined, while everyone else would prosper because of interdependence. THe only thing you have going is that your dollar is the economic Plimsall line on the world market, and because the EU now dominates the world market almost as muchas America does, you're becoming obsolete.
Also, homogeneous means all the same. Ours is HETEROgeneous, meaning multi-cultural in this sense. Considering the United States has earned the monicker "The Great Melting Pot", I don't think you're in a position to judge our immigration policies.
And about "aping" Scandinavia: I don't know about you, but I'd rather pay more taxes for a better government and social infrastructure than get huge tax cuts and suffer in the long run, like America will with another Republican leader.
ANd what's so bad abut shedding a religion so neotonous that it still refuses to admit that
revolution has been proven?
Jesus. And you wonder why the world hates you...look at the diahrrea you sprayed all over this reply thread!
Submitted by Bizdorph (user info) at 2004-07-15 21:32:02 EDT (#)
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And another thing. If you don't believe in cencorship you should have watched the news when the "blacklisting frenzy" was going on in the two years following (ugh...cliché alert) 9/11. Hundreds of Hollywood stars and music artists were blacklisted and banned from some hardcore right-wing stations simply fo expressing their views on the situation.
Submitted by Bizdorph (user info) at 2004-07-15 21:29:19 EDT (#)
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You are my new god, solely because you pointed out what I've been trying to prove to everyone I know for years: there never has been a true communism, and the reason Americans (and the world) are still afraid of it is because it was misrepresented by every country that tried to implement it.
So relieving.
Submitted by smokymtcsw (user info) at 2004-07-15 21:16:59 EDT (#)
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I waited to see your response to me. You said my arguments were beneath you. I would say nice dodge, but it was not nice, it was cowardice I suppose I should have expected. Given that judiciary is my strongest area (but not by far) I would suggest you try www.oyez.com to learn more about the supreme court. You can also probably through your school get access to lexis.com Lexis will give you access to law review articles and those might be useful in attempting to gain an understanding in that area.
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-15 19:01:56 EDT (#)
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Here's one.
http://partners.is.asu.edu/~george/vacancy/justices.html
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-15 18:45:42 EDT (#)
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Actually, the Supreme Court slip up was a result of my previous post.
Think of it as really rushed @ work posts. Like this one.
As soon as I hit post, I swear there was an audible "Ahhhh", The US Supreme Court judges are appointed too.
I responded quickly so I didn't give someone like domenad fuel. My response WAS the foot in my mouth. Another stupid rushed post. I already knew the answer. I already knew I screwed up. So I posted another screw up. "Duh, are they appointed?"
Just the other day I was reading about it when digging for info on whether Bush was trying to get abortion banned.
However, the judiciary is my weakest area. That is true. Does anyone know if there is a link to a site that accurately reveals a list of who made SC appointments?
And my last post was pretty poorly written too. It was supposed to be a jokingly arrogant comment, but it turned out to just look arrogant.
Gnome, I'll go to my room now.
And the moral of the story is, don't post when you're in shit at work for wasting time.
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-15 17:54:35 EDT (#)
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I'm going to get in shit at work.... THIS TIME I MUST GO...
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-15 17:53:31 EDT (#)
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domenad,
Hey, you have your opinion; I have mine.
I'm pretty well informed on the world I live in. And when placed next to a typical American like yourself, I'd run circles around you.
See? I too can stereotype...
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-15 17:50:58 EDT (#)
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Matthew Good on US and British deceit over the invasion of Iraq..
http://www.audioblogger.com/media/28508/74927.mp3
Submitted by Gnome (user info) at 2004-07-15 17:47:54 EDT (#)
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domenad - see, i can make a weak, substanceless, stereotypical arguement too.
Submitted by Gnome (user info) at 2004-07-15 17:46:22 EDT (#)
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domenad - you're just a hoser, eh. why don't you just, like, take off eh.
but if you do come back, wanna pick up some beer?
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-07-15 17:41:50 EDT (#)
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"Are Supreme Court justices appointed in the US? The judiciary is my weakest area in the US, by far."
My friend, re-read the drivel you wrote. Your weakest area is indistinguishable from the others - you're eqally vapid in every area of American society. Typical of a Canadian, mind you, who can just sit behind the US and not have to pick up a gun to defend himself becase the US is there to cover you. The very thought of you scum makes me retch up liver bile.
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-15 16:36:59 EDT (#)
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Here is a question:
Although I admit it is somewhat loaded.
Should laws on monopolies and such be consistent throughout all industries? Or can we make a case for different levels of control over something like a computer component versus a form of cultural or artistic expression?
In other words, do you feel we should place knowledge and culture into the same, Darwinian-type, "only the strong survive" atmosphere we do other products? When dealing with culture and information, does "stronger" necessarily result in "better"?
I have to get some work done, be back later.
Submitted by Gnome (user info) at 2004-07-15 16:28:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-15 15:17:00 (#)
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Breathe Toddfather, breathe....
disAbled,
I love nitpickers. They can take someone's ideas and down them because of something as trivial as an upper-case or ......
....THERE IS NO GOVERNMENT!
Hey, look, I capitalized all those letters, you should post a response dismissing this one because that's poor usage of the English language.
BAD TODDFATHER!!
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+2 for this arguement alone.
AMEN!!
now go to your room Tad.
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-15 16:15:05 EDT (#)
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I'm 99.9999% sure they are. I just don't want to stick my foot in my mouth.
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-15 16:10:29 EDT (#)
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Are Supreme Court justices appointed in the US? The judiciary is my weakest area in the US, by far.
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-15 16:07:23 EDT (#)
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In the end, for me, both extremes are dangerous. A government to large will oppress the people. Abuse its power. A government too small will only allow others to exploit the system and oppress the people.
This shoots some holes in my argument about America. You see, on one hand I'm trying to say the American government it too powerful. To large if you will. But my real issue is with the government's willingness to allow other powers to abuse their power. Which sounds more like small government. I think in this case it boils down to leaving your friends alone (ie: the huge Corporations), and creating as large a government as possible to impose your will on your enemies.
Ironically, the American system was built to avoid this very thing. Checks and balances, baby. Smart.
The problem is, you've created a system where it is very difficult for a President to impose his will on the people, but the reins were effectively handed over to big business. Non-elected. Un-accountable men in suits.
So, although my article doesn't touch it, that is where my real anger comes from. The complete lack of trust in government was countered by a complete faith in the free market.
So, in my opinion, you need a government big enough to prevent others from fucking with the citizens, and small enough to not give one man total control. That is why a nation's constitution is so crutial. However, even that can be seen as a hand-off, because it usually hands power over to the judges. This is more dangerous in Canada, because our judges are appointed.
Submitted by downerSTAIN (user info) at 2004-07-15 15:42:59 EDT (#)
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I can't remember who said it, it might have been Lewis Black.
"Liberals are a group of no ideas, and Conservatives are a group of bad ideas! I can just see Congress, a Conservative stands up and says "Hey, I have a really bad idea!" and then a Liberal stands up and says "I have a way to make it even shittier!"
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-15 15:17:00 EDT (#)
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Breathe Toddfather, breathe....
disAbled,
I love nitpickers. They can take someone's ideas and down them because of something as trivial as an upper-case or lower-case letter. Do you know how stupid that is?
As far as your quotes go. Good on you! Nice work. Maybe you should re-read the line I just posted,
"Existing and fallen Communist states were, in fact, trying to become a Communist state."
This sums up the quotes you refer to. You see, as I already said, most "C"ommunist intellects knew it couldn't survive next to capitalist states. It is pretty obvious why. What's your point?
So, the "C"ommunist movement had to stop capitalism in order to survive. Once that occurred, the plan was to maintain a government as long as was necessary to create equality among classes and such, then disband it.
So, all your quotes prove is that the "C"ommunists were willing to engage in whatever was necessary to bring "C"ommunism to the world. Just as your nation is trying to bring Capitalism and Democracy to the world. That doesn't mean their government was "C"ommunist. It wasn't. Means to an end. That's all.
And just so we're all on the same page here. I, for one, don't think it was a realistic movement. I am not a "C"ommunist. I believe human beings are too flawed to ever exist under any form of equality. We have some deep-seeded mechanism that drives us to have more, and be more than the family next door. I just want people to know what it was, and is. Maybe drop some of the ongoing paranoia in America over it.
The nitpicker also wants to pick at things like the difference between a "government" and a "social system". Of course it isn't a "government" in the end. THERE IS NO GOVERNMENT!
Hey, look, I capitalized all those letters, you should post a response dismissing this one because that's poor usage of the English language.
BAD TODDFATHER!!
Submitted by Gnome (user info) at 2004-07-15 14:46:36 EDT (#)
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you're just saying that the form of government (and i'll use the capitals the way you were), Communism, and the social ideology, communism, are different.
i can't wait to read the reply to this one.
Tad, don't let me down. make it good.
Submitted by disAbled (user info) at 2004-07-15 14:32:47 EDT (#)
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Quick notes on Communism... (not communism, jackhole)
Two quotes by the most infamous active Communist and leader of the bolshevik revolution in Russia.
"First we will take Eastern Europe, then the masses of Asia. We will encircle the last bastion of capitalism, the United States of America. We will not need to fight. It will fall as a ripe fruit into our hands."
"We must practice coexistence with other nations, until we are strong enough to take over by means of world revolution.... We are not pacifists. Conflict is inevitable. Great political questions can be solved only through violence.... It is inconceivable that Communism and capitalism can exist side by side. Inevitably one must perish."
You are wrong, ToddFather. Communism does have a government, and it is a ruthless and powerful one t that. Communism does not tolerate dissention and supresses any form of rebellion. This sort of violent seizure of power and iron-fisted maintenance of it was viewed as necessary by Marx for the good of the proletariat. While you are correct in asserting that the USSR was adulterated Communism (Stalin turned it into a totalitarian dictatorship for a while), the fact is that before Stalin hi-jacked it, it was established as a Communist (not communist) state. What you have been discussing is communism (notice the lack of capitalization). This is not a government, it is a social system, and the closest thing you could find to it is the lifestyle of some hippies who lived or are living in communes.
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-15 14:02:09 EDT (#)
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smokymtcsw,
I'm not even touching most of your stuff. Most half-educated people will see right through it.
I will comment on one point, however, because most people, like you, are confused about it.
"Also your intro to poli sci 101 on communism is sad. Attempts to create communist states have all failed, but Cuba, N Korea, the USSR and China have all been closer to communism than to socialism as governmental models."
That is a typical arguement by someone that knows nothing about Communism. Places like China and the Solviet Union called their governments Communist, and were labeled that by your contry as well. The reality, however, is that they weren't even close. They were, politically speaking, simply authoritarian or even totalitarian states.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism
You could say that is what Communism evolved into. The roots of Communism beliefs are almost completely at odds with today's Communist states.
Existing and fallen Communist states were, in fact, trying to become a Communist state. The reasons why this has never happened are many and varied. Communist states have authoratative governments. We all know this. It might surprise some of you to hear that "Communism" doesn't have a government.
Submitted by DenDen (user info) at 2004-07-15 12:54:44 EDT (#)
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I'll give it a "+1" because we in America do have all of those problems. I won't give it a "+2" because you really don't take human nature and the influence of power on populations of powerful nations. If you did, you would see that America and Americans are not so unique.
Submitted by Schwarzes_Glas (user info) at 2004-07-15 12:38:01 EDT (#)
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Not terrible, but I don't agree. America will become facist ONLY if Kerry wins.
Submitted by disAbled (user info) at 2004-07-15 11:19:23 EDT (#)
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Another of George Bush's autocratic tyranny overt the US. Yesterday, his pet agenda was voted down in the Senate. That's right, kids! Old W. couldn't get congress to approve of a constitutional ammendment defining marriage to apply to only heterosexual couples. The ToddFather, light of the enslaved western hemisphere quoth, "Bush can pretty much hammer anything he wants through the legislature right now." A very insightful and valid statement. However, the Europeans agree, America is a fascist nation. Just who is controlling it then? Aha! We're back to the damn Illuminati. No wonder the Free Masons have been so popular in the US.
Submitted by Sambuca310 (user info) at 2004-07-15 11:06:24 EDT (#)
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smokeymtcsw should be shot
This post was good cept I'm a proud American - not proud of my government or anything having to do with my country - but a proud American nonetheless
Submitted by Jim at 2004-07-15 10:27:08 EDT (#)
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Weak. Repetitive. Overeducated.
Submitted by smokymtcsw (user info) at 2004-07-15 08:38:57 EDT (#)
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Moore also has not done anything for charity. He is a fat selfish bastard, if he cares so much about Flint why did he not invest in small business there? Maybe interest free loans? Because he is incredibly self absorbed. Hope you read the Hitchens article.
Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-07-15 06:53:26 EDT (#)
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"Most of their war propaganda comes out of big budget films and the media"
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this is odd considering that most of hollywood is made up of extreme leftists.
then again i always found it odd that an actor can be protesting a war one day and starring a in a big budget kill everthing that moves movie the next. Damn hypocrites. Atleast you know what the right is doing or what they are going to do. They come right out with it and there is nothing you can do to stop it...
Submitted by Zero (user info) at 2004-07-15 01:27:33 EDT (#)
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Well done! I'm glad more and mroe people are coming forward and standing up to this government that has been taking more and more control over the 'free state' of America. Bravo!
Submitted by smokymtcsw (user info) at 2004-07-15 00:37:33 EDT (#)
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Canada also sucks, and not just because of Quebec, but because despite the massive national resources, no need for defense spending (you are welcome) and homogenous population, you have health care that is worse than ours, an economy that is completely dependent on us and a socially progressive joke of a government that is attempting to ape Scandanavia. Onward towards 30 hour work weeks, legal drugs, 80 percent taxes, and loving homosexuality! Shed this Christian foundation! Lets get moving Canada! Yuck. I wish we could annex Alberta and that is all. As someone who has visited many parts of your beautiful country I must say, America never took you over because we did not need to, but as you screw yourself and your economy with your leftist garbage, I only hope you produce a Milan Kundera or similar great writer, maybe a novel called the Nova Scotia Archipelago as the communist leftists censor and brainwash the people.
Submitted by smokymtcsw (user info) at 2004-07-15 00:25:28 EDT (#)
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The BBC is a bunch of jew hating arafat loving fops. They spread lies and then apologize when their lies are attacked with FACTS (look up Jenin if you have no idea what I am talking about). America does not have censorship. In fact even idiots like Michael Moore who create lie filled propaganda can get their crap released nationwide here. http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/ Read this piece by The Nation (leftist mag in America) piece about why Moore sucks so bad.
Also your intro to poli sci 101 on communism is sad. Attempts to create communist states have all failed, but Cuba, N Korea, the USSR and China have all been closer to communism than to socialism as governmental models.
Submitted by dreadnaught_X (user info) at 2004-07-15 00:06:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Gnome (user info) at 2004-07-14 19:20:48 EDT (#)
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good point downer, hey joe is a great song. hard to compare it's greatness to gijoe though. apples to oranges.
Submitted by downerSTAIN (user info) at 2004-07-14 19:09:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Gnome (user info) at 2004-07-14 18:59:26 (#)
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hey joe: canada rules. (so hard not to write 'yo joe' there, but then i'd break into song ending with 'and now you know, and knowing is half the battle. YO JOE!)
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Well you still could have broken into song with "Hey Joe, where you gonna go with that gun in your hand?"
And yeah, Canada does rule. I heard they have "special" coffee shops in BC.
Submitted by Gnome (user info) at 2004-07-14 18:59:26 EDT (#)
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hey joe: canada rules. (so hard not to write 'yo joe' there, but then i'd break into song ending with 'and now you know, and knowing is half the battle. YO JOE!)
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-14 17:34:56 EDT (#)
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Totally unrelated, but pure gold. I submitted it to Boredatwork.com hope they put it up. http://www.dykedolls.com/
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-14 17:26:18 EDT (#)
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I'm thinking on it. I've talked with friends and my girlfriend. They think I should stick it out and ignore the trouble. I tend to agree.
In the end, some of the nice comments put out by Uber-authors has helped. I was focusing to much on the bad. Not enough on the good.
I do think I'll back off somewhat. Post now and again. Try to keep some kind of dialogue going on them. That's what I love about this so far. I also realized, I get most of this in University too. You always have people who will disagree and get borderline violent.
I recall a Family Guy quote where Jesus came up. I don't remember the exact context, but the guy said, "Oh, gee, I guess I'll just have to develop a sense of humor." That's where I'm at right not. Laugh it off. Relax.
In the end, for me, it's all about trading perspectives and ideas.
Submitted by gibberish (user info) at 2004-07-14 17:11:47 EDT (#)
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Can't wait for your Canadian Fascist post.
Here's a +2 for "seeing beyond my borders"!
And feel free to leave the shots at me in there, I find them funny as all hell.
What happened to abandoning Ubersite anyway?
Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-07-14 16:46:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-14 13:20:24 (#)
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Without even knowing it, Gibberish, and other users who have posted on his link, have proven my point. http://www.ubersite.com/m/38295
These are the people that this post is about.
On the arrogance and superiority Americans feel, just read the lines about "no one cares about Canada".
Wrong, you don't care.
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No, really, no one cares about Canada.
Submitted by Gnome (user info) at 2004-07-14 16:42:39 EDT (#)
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your mother would <sniff> be so proud....
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-14 16:31:03 EDT (#)
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What did I do now Dad?
Submitted by Gnome (user info) at 2004-07-14 16:14:40 EDT (#)
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...Tad.....
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Submitted by Gnome (user info) at 2004-07-14 16:14:10 EDT (#)
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hi Tad.
be good or i'll tell the mrs....
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-14 16:12:14 EDT (#)
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Clarification note:
This looks bad.
"If Gibberish had half a brain, he could have pieced together a decent argument for a movement right in Canada.
Actually, that was a cheapshot, because most Canadians know about as much as Gibberish about their own system of government."
What I meant is that he knows about as much about Canada's government as Canadians do. Although we disagree on a lot, I don't think he is ignorant about his own system of govenment.
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-14 15:59:53 EDT (#)
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Gibberish, sorry about the insults. I just copied and pasted it.... I just re-read it... It was written when I thought you were serious..
THE FINAL VERSION WONT HAVE IT.
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-14 15:58:04 EDT (#)
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Gibberish, sorry if I missunderstood. Hope you can continue to make this conversation interesting.
Anyway, here is a brief version of the Fascist Canadian Post I'm putting together.
It will rule. Enjoy,
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Warning!! Reading on in this post will result in you learning something about something that goes on beyond your border. There is a good risk that you will become a Communist just by reading on. It would be un-American to proceed, please do your patriotic duty and stop now, move to the top of the page, and -2 this post. Add the comment "Who Cares About Canada?"
Now that we've gotten rid of the infants, we can move on to:
Canadian Politics 101: Fascism in Canada... (The condensed version)
If Gibberish had half a brain, he could have pieced together a decent argument for a movement right in Canada.
Actually, that was a cheapshot, because most Canadians know about as much as Gibberish about their own system of government.
Although America's system of checks and balances, in my opinion, has fallen into disrepute, when it is functioning, it is much more effective at preventing any form of dictatorship from forming. Canada's Parliamentary Democracy is one of the most centralist in the world. This of course, does not automatically mean "fascism", however, "dictatorship" is a pretty bad-ass term to throw around too.
Canada's PM has far more power than your president. Not in terms of global influence, of course, but within his own system. He IS a virtual dictator. IF HE HAS A MAJORITY. And minorities are rare in Canada.
If he has a majority, he simply forces his legislation through parliament. Very rarely will his party challenge it. So, it moves through the House of Commons without challenge. Now it moves on to the Senate.
In Canada, the Senate is mostly a symbolic house. It is a waist of money and resourses. A place where old, over paid "Senators" simply sign on the dotted line. The main reason why Canada's Senate sits on their hands is because they are not elected. They are appointed by the PM.
After it passes the Senate, it moves on to the Governor General. Who is this you ask? Another symbolic figure. Nothing more. The Governor General also signs where they are told to sign. Consider it the Queen's representative.
That's it. Done.
Only one thing effectively can stand in its way now.
The Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
I know, boring.
This is where our Judiciary enters into the equation. These guys can overturn any piece of legislation in Canada they feel runs contrary to the Charter. The government reserves the right to use the Notwithstanding Clause, but it only applies to certain sections.
So, these judges are elected, right? Wrong. Appointed by the PM. Must be nice heh?
So there you have it. Highly centralized. Nearly dictatorial. Not exactly right wing though.
The Conservative Party of Canada is our closest match to your Republicans. The Liberal Party is generally slightly left of center. Not so much anymore though. They have held office now for 11 straight years. Combine that with our Heath Care and willingness to engage in Crown Corporations, and it is difficult to claim we are fascist. Although, some of the pieces DO fit pretty nicely.
Most of Western Canada is very Conservative, I'm sorry to say. I personally have seen a pretty steady rise in the amount of conservative views coming out over the last while. They wanted to be "shoulder to shoulder" with America in the Iraq war saying we HAD to back our allies. Now, I think you should TRY to back your allies, but you don't just back them no matter what. That's just plain stupid. These guys want to spend more on building up Canada's military. ** Here is where you add your joke about our military ** And it is a joke. And that's just fine with me. What do we think we're going to do? We're a country of 30 million, our chances of being a world power are slime and none.
I, for one, have noticed a lot of cries for the privatization of Heath Care and our CBC. This is certainly a Conservative view.
Our status of information is also dreadful. Most of the sources of information are American. Nearly every one is owned by America. The CBC, and a few others are still owned by Canadians. Sad when a country begins losing its voice.
Submitted by gibberish (user info) at 2004-07-14 14:43:53 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Yes, I spelled 'hypocrite' wrong on purpose.
Oh, and for a bit more shameless hit whoring: Modern Candian Fascist!
http://www.ubersite.com/m/38295
Submitted by Gnome (user info) at 2004-07-14 14:42:27 EDT (#)
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...Tad....take a breath Tad....
(sorry again kid, another inside joke)
Submitted by gibberish (user info) at 2004-07-14 14:40:41 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Wow, thanks for posting a link to my article.
My JOKE article.
Feel free to drive up the hit count even further.
Maybe I'm the only one who gets hangover humor, but then again, who cares?
I was just screwing around, no need to go all "OMG! I CANT BELIEVE YOU JUST SAID SUMTHIN ABOUT CANADA!!! FASCIST!!! OMG!!! UR A HYPOCIRTE!!! AHHHHH MY TAMPON IS TOO SMALL!!!!"
Relax. Never take anything I say seriously ever again.
Goddamn fascist Canucks....
Submitted by Gnome (user info) at 2004-07-14 14:01:55 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
hey Tad.
now got to your room!!
(sorry kids, inside joke)
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-14 13:20:24 EDT (#)
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Without even knowing it, Gibberish, and other users who have posted on his link, have proven my point. http://www.ubersite.com/m/38295
These are the people that this post is about.
On the arrogance and superiority Americans feel, just read the lines about "no one cares about Canada".
Wrong, you don't care.
The fascist tactics came in his attempt to silence this post. I don't care if the post dies off. It is great that it generated some great discussion. Some people feel I'm wrong, others think I'm right.
You'll never get everyone to agree with your stance on anything.
I urge you to visit his page and read his plea to stop reading or posting here. He has offered to pay you. Perhaps you should seize the opportunity. This is an attempt at censorship if I've ever seen it. I also urge you to take note of the people who gave +2s on his post.
Some of it is funny. Good stuff. However, the call to silence this post is dead serious. No less than two people on that page have also offered to pay you to help stop it from reaching its audience.
It is a great irony that it is precisely what I'm writing about.
I have also met with more than one person who is angry and tired of these types of posts being put up. A lot of people are consumed with anger when anyone posts a redundant post. DON'T READ IT!
Many people DO enjoy this post. And are GLAD they read it. He would like to prevent such people from reaching it.
He also takes more credit for the fact that this page made it to #2 heat factor. There is no doubt he was part of its success. However, it undermines the other people who have constantly contributed to the post.
It does appear this post will die off. It is inevitable that we will run out of stuff to say. I really don't care if it goes. Great. Thank-you to the people who made educated contributions, whether I agree with them or not. It was fun....
Submitted by JimRants (user info) at 2004-07-14 05:08:02 EDT (#)
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very good points here. Also very scary because so much is true.
Submitted by Gnome (user info) at 2004-07-13 21:41:42 EDT (#)
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a quote many people on this particular page need to read. i think the comment applies quite well.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/38275#651220
Submitted by regulate <regulate85.at.hotmail.com> at 2004-07-13 16:27:27 EDT (#)
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Its Heating up!
Submitted by gibberish (user info) at 2004-07-13 16:14:11 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/38295
Go there. Read. Leave.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2004-07-13 14:34:35 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/38297
Here is my new and improved response to this and ALL posts...ever.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2004-07-13 13:01:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Quasiplasmohedron (user info) at 2004-07-10 23:33:05 (#)
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Very good post.
If you go far enough to the right after fascism you reach communism - it goes around in a ring. I don't know where I would put anarchy in that.
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Anarchy is unique in that it is the absence of ANY structure of political philosophy. It would be the absence of the the circle.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2004-07-13 12:24:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by gibberish (user info) at 2004-07-10 22:56:50 (#)
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I'm back bitches!!!!
Good job on getting to the most heated, thought you gotta admit, without my ass-kicking annoyingness, this post would have gone nowhere.
Here's to TheToddfather and electrictoothsyndrome, we did it!!!
Fuck off cuberat.
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Cheers to gibberish and toddfather...glad to see this post has kept going! Also, here's to most heated with a + feedback average!
After finally joining the rest of civilized/infomed/history-participating society and seeing Fahrenheit 9/11, one line I think sums up the US military role in the world...
"Pushing little children with their fully automatics, they like to push the weak around!!!" - System of a Down
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-13 12:22:18 EDT (#)
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Good point... We made #2 on the most heated list...
I'm just enjoying reading the debate.
Submitted by Arsenal (user info) at 2004-07-13 12:05:40 EDT (#)
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Read '1984', take notes, compare to Bush administration.
Submitted by disAbled (user info) at 2004-07-13 11:54:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2004-07-13 04:54:06 (#)
Ranking: -2
[Rancorous, misdirected diatribe proceeds] For one to arugue with me that this person is better to have existed on earth rather then been aborted will be comical, because they are bad...
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So abortion is justifiable because it is a viable method of moral control in our population. Or, more simply, kill 'em off before they go bad? Man, you do massive injustice to your political causes.
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Stabkill-
[More pointless haranguing verbiage] I guess commies don't like DVD...
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You really can't hope to be taken seriously...
Submitted by Jesus Tymofie at 2004-07-13 11:49:36 EDT (#)
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I love it.
Submitted by kgbpasha (user info) at 2004-07-13 05:15:29 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
I read it. It's got its moments.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2004-07-13 04:54:06 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
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Submitted by disAbled (user info) at 2004-07-13 02:31:59 (#)
Ranking: 0
Are you thereby implying that anyone who is adopted immediately has no value to society, and in fact it would be better for the world if they didn't exist?
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In Asia orphans are scum of the earth. An adopted child has little chance of living a good life. Of course, that's over there and that's probably why they sent over to America.
I only said I knew of specific people that are completely worthless human beings. IF their mother, in particular, had an abortion the world would be a better place. If you want I can give you an example of someone I know. For one to arugue with me that this person is better to have existed on earth rather then been aborted will be comical, because they are bad. Real bad. Not HITLER bad, but I can use Hitler in saying this: If Hitler's mother had an abortion, would the world be a better place? I'm guessing a few million jews would think so.
If somehow you went back in time and you were standing over Hitler's crib when he was a child, could you kill him knowing what he will become? I always love that question.
As for Colorflux, you said it all right there on your last post. You're from San Francisco. Also a "VCR" hooked up to your TV? What the fuck, man?? GET A DVD PLAYER ALREADY you cheap bastard. I bought a nice Samsung for $50 NEW and it plays mp3 format. I guess commies don't like DVD.
Because of people like you, Colorflux, who takes the word of a Canadian who doesn't know the 3 systems in US goverment. People of people who believe Micheal Moore's movie wasn't propaganda and a real documentary. (Liberals who dislike what Micheal Moore does are nearly ALWAYS good people.) But I know how commie Californians can be. After destroying their own state, they want to make sure the rest of America follows their lead. And who is putting the pieces back together? Fucking Arnold? Un-fucking-believable.
Submitted by disAbled (user info) at 2004-07-13 02:31:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2004-07-12 21:46:15 (#)
Ranking: -2
Blah, Blah, Blah...I've seen to many nut-jobs that were adopted and I often wished their mother had an abortion to spare the world the pain inflicted by these pricks.
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Are you thereby implying that anyone who is adopted immediately has no value to society, and in fact it would be better for the world if they didn't exist?
Submitted by redheaded at 2004-07-13 01:17:42 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
im not sure if this has already been brought up because im to lazy to read all of the reviews but i would just like to point out that communisim is not a form of government its an economy. see american uses capitalism and the USSR used communism. i just wanted to point this out to show that u are well a complete dumbass -2 for not knowing what your talking about. u know that dictionary u had look up the words before u use them
Submitted by Gnome (user info) at 2004-07-12 23:29:42 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by I_Have_a_Kristen_Fetish (user info) at 2004-07-12 21:51:24 (#)
Ranking: -2
Thanks to the fact that the following users -2's, ZaToddfather, BanFetish, ZeToddfather, all created by you, are still on the following posts, (Let's not forget the 30 some -2's from "TheToddfather" on the other posts) you will have problems:
http://www.ubersite.com/m/38117
http://www.ubersite.com/m/38046
http://www.ubersite.com/m/37958
http://www.ubersite.com/m/37840
http://www.ubersite.com/m/37800
http://www.ubersite.com/m/37647
http://www.ubersite.com/m/35629
http://www.ubersite.com/m/35536
http://www.ubersite.com/m/34955
http://www.ubersite.com/m/31932
Eat a dick, champion of cockmasters.
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aren't you done whining yet?
Submitted by I_Have_a_Kristen_Fetish (user info) at 2004-07-12 21:51:24 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Thanks to the fact that the following users -2's, ZaToddfather, BanFetish, ZeToddfather, all created by you, are still on the following posts, (Let's not forget the 30 some -2's from "TheToddfather" on the other posts) you will have problems:
http://www.ubersite.com/m/38117
http://www.ubersite.com/m/38046
http://www.ubersite.com/m/37958
http://www.ubersite.com/m/37840
http://www.ubersite.com/m/37800
http://www.ubersite.com/m/37647
http://www.ubersite.com/m/35629
http://www.ubersite.com/m/35536
http://www.ubersite.com/m/34955
http://www.ubersite.com/m/31932
Eat a dick, champion of cockmasters.
Submitted by colorflux <coonen> at 2004-07-12 21:49:51 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
2 things:
1. StabKill, shut the hell up, you sound like a stubborn idiot do your self a favor and stop while you're ahead.
2. TheToddFather, thank you for responding to me and not just snubbing me, but I have a query with one of your statements. I almost never watch TV, I have one but only because it is hooked up to a VCR, when 9/11 happened I think I watched more New in a four-day span than I have from then till now. All over TV were people crying and making fools of them selves for the camera. Because I live in San Francisco, I was not affected by 9/11 in the slightest. Nor were my friends and family. I do think that Americans need to get over them selves, but I don't think that 9/11 helped to achieve that, it just made it worse.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2004-07-12 21:46:15 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
I can chill a bit, but I personally feel offended by poor judgement over things.
The courts are merely part of the judicial system, and if it goes to the supreme court that law will surely get knocked back down as Clinton appointed judges that were clearly pro-choice.
On a side-note, I do not agree with abortion personally but I would never ever take that right away. It is for a woman to decide.
I've seen to many nut-jobs that were adopted and I often wished their mother had an abortion to spare the world the pain inflicted by these pricks.
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-12 21:35:43 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Fetish,
I don't want problems with you. The whole thing was stupid. I didn't know it reached Bart. I know you pretty much hate every word I write. Keep posting "god you suck as a writer" stuff. I think you're a funny guy after reading your stuff. I don't see why you can't just see this whole thing as a big mix up.... I'm a rookie... Didn't get the "Fetish" thing... Maybe Bart will kill all the posts in his good time..
I look forward to reading your future posts. Even if you give me -2s. Take care. I need a break. Back in a day or two
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-12 21:27:50 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
First off. Let's take this down a notch.
True. Those are the three branches. I've been going at this keyboard for three days straight. I need a break and I'm dangerously close to getting dumped because of Uber.
I will say, the link I posted was stopped by A court. It is not yet known what the US highest court will say.
we can only wait and see.
Sorry I can't write more. I am finished for a day or two.
Your last post was correct though. However, it doesn't prove the judiciary isn't in Bush's pocket. The case will more than likely end up in the SCs lap. My point was mainly that Bush is working on it. These things take time. If he gets in next term I wouldn't be surprised if abortion isn't substantially withdrawn.
You have to admit, the man has more control than a president has had in a while. That can only come from control of most, if not all, branches of gov.
Submitted by I_Have_a_Kristen_Fetish (user info) at 2004-07-12 21:22:20 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
I guess you won. Bart removed all my ratings and left the ones from the 4 users you made.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2004-07-12 21:09:59 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
You said:
Presently in the US of A, all three branches of your federal government are dominated by the
extreme right.
I say:
The three branches of government are: Executive (President), Legislative (House of Representatives & Senate), and Judicial (Courts).
Before you go bashing a nation you should learn about what you are talking about first.
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-12 20:54:21 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
It was stopped by a court.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2004-07-12 20:52:59 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
You fucking moron! I FUCKING KNOW BUSH WANTS ABORTION STOPPED.
But you claim the whole government is in the "conservative" pocket. This is WRONG.
Poof. Talking to you is like talking to a fucking brick.
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-12 20:48:25 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Oh dear God...
If you would have read my link, you might have come accross a line that said.
"with Conservatism, theocracy, or Fascism ("the right") on one end, and Socialism or Communism ("the left") on the other"
Hmmm, so what are you proving again?
I thought so...
The link on abortion shows how hard your leader is trying to get abortion stopped.
Do me a favor.
Read just a sample of the posts I've made. I am tired of answering the same shit.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2004-07-12 20:41:57 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
You call me a "sad little man" and then give me ammo to use against you? THANKS, DUDE!!!
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0602-06.htm
That shows exactly that there is something wrong with your post. The FEDERAL JUDGE SHOOTS DOWN BUSH'S LAW (Partial Birth Abortion). Hmmmm. Now if the courts were on the "extreme right", why would he do that?
Thanks for proving me right.
Then this link:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum#Left_and_Right
Communism is the opposite side of the spectrum to Fascism. And you're a fool for not thinking so. You're also one of those idiots that thinks debating is about nit-picking every little miniscule detail.
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I respond with a link from the same site.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Practice_of_fascism
Why is the USA not listed in their definition? You are so smart, why haven't others included it?
It says right in that definition that the term is used by the left to describe people of the far right. It doesn't say it is LEGITIMATE and that the far right is indeed fascist.
This is complicated, obviously because North Korea could be viewed as fascist but instead they are viewed as practicing "totalitarianism".
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On Michael Moore. Find one place I said Moore's film was censored by government.
I said, conveniently, they don't have to. In fact, indirectly, THEY FUCKING DID! It is well known that Eisner did what he did to prevent losing his tax cuts in Florida where good old Jeb resides.
My God, they just keep coming.
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The government DID not censor him, did not request he be censored, and since the movie is actually out...in fact he wasn't censored at ALL. So your arguement falls pretty flat. If DISNEY did not want it released in the USA, they didn't have to sign over the distribution rights to a different company. They did. And it wasn't because of massive demonstrations and protest. It was business.
You are right about that Eisner and Jeb Bush are obvious allies, so that's the reason about the whole thing.
You see: Facts are facts. When you can support your views with facts instead of rhetoric, it is much better. Quoting people like Micheal Moore or Al Franken merely makes you out to be more stupid than you are.
There are many problems in the United States and I can go on and on about them. The behavior of the people (especially the young) is horrid.
Fascist they are not. Conservative Capitolists, on the most part yes. And that is obvious in opposition to Canada in some ways.
But, look, I do not defend this administration because I like them. I am only trying to say what is REAL and not the BS you see on the F911 type movies that are sure to incite some muslim to kill more Americans.
Problems exist. This administrations sucks, and the next one will suck too. Supporting Israel seems to be a common trait among democrats and republicans so the terrorism will continue.
You could walk down the streets in America with a big sign saying "BUSH IS A SCUMBAG" and maybe someone will assault you, and that's about it. And this isn't GOVERNMENT having you assaulted, it would be an individual. Try doing that shit in Iran right now about their leader. Or better yet... North Korea.
Do you think that shit was tolerated in any TRUE Fascist nation? Give me a break with your bullshit already.
Submitted by whataefag (user info) at 2004-07-12 20:36:59 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
I don't know why I missed this post for however long it's been up.
Well said.
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-12 20:08:55 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
No life...
Submitted by I_Have_a_Kristen_Fetish (user info) at 2004-07-12 20:07:27 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
God you're dumbass.
You want to go -2 my posts again?
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-12 19:46:55 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Stabkill,
You are one sad little man.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0602-06.htm
You are right about one thing. Anarchy is the farthest left, though I didn't include it because it is generally not accepted as a realistic Political belief.
You are an idiot my friend, and you need to do more research before talking like you're top shit on the intillectual block.
The whole thing is a complex slew of ideologies. Generally speaking, people place the ideologies on a single line. It doesn't have to be that way however. There are several ways to look at them. A box is also commonly used. There isn't a correct way to place them. it all depends on what you're comparing.
Here is a link to start you down the intillectual path of enlightenment... In your case I wont hold my breath.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum#Left_and_Right
Communism is the opposite side of the spectrum to Fascism. And you're a fool for not thinking so. You're also one of those idiots that thinks debating is about nit-picking every little miniscule detail.
On Michael Moore. Find one place I said Moore's film was censored by government.
I said, conveniently, they don't have to. In fact, indirectly, THEY FUCKING DID! It is well known that Eisner did what he did to prevent losing his tax cuts in Florida where good old Jeb resides.
My God, they just keep coming.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2004-07-12 19:08:36 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
I would like to thank you for pussying out and not answering my post. Because you know that I am better than you and will crush you in a debate.
You provided absolutely no FACT to back up your arguement. NONE at all. And yet people are stupid enough to believe you.
I have proved you wrong ONCE on the fact that if the right is so overpowerful, why is abortion still legal? That is one of their issues they are VERY serious about.
So I win once.
Now another thing I will insult you for:
You do not understand politics. If communism is "LEFT" then it is capitalism that is "RIGHT", not facism. This shows you are an idiot, once again. You are really talking out of your ass.
The opposite of Fascism is ANARCISM.
Come on and insult my intelligence, you blundering moron. I've proved you wrong twice. Now start spewing out facts over censorship.
(I know the TRUTH, not the bullshit you will try to feed people. The FCC is clamping down because of the JANET JACKSON incident and they're taking it out on radio & television stations. The whole Micheal Moore incident you mentioned was not government-controlled censorship. You fell into that trap to believe it was. YOU ARE AN IDIOT. Miramax owned the distribution rights, Miramax is owned by Disney. Disney has ownership that is Bush-friendly, so they didn't care to be part of it. They told him that ONE YEAR before he tried to release the video.... MOORE KNEW THIS. He milked it out for publicity. This is not censorship, moron.)
Come on, prick. Let's see what you can come up with to answer me. Nah...Just SHUT THE FUCK UP.
You cannot win.
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-12 18:15:59 EDT (#)
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Colorflux,
+2 for your post.
Thanks for your post. And I agree with more than you might think.
This post does oversimplify and generalize. Absolutely. No one on Earth could sum such thing up perfectly.
Ya. The Humble Pie bit will make many angry. As I said in my post, I was generalizing. There are many humble Americans. I only ask you, are there more humble Americans after, say, 911?
The thing is, if someone said to me, "Canadians need a slice of Humble Pie", I'd probably shake their hand and agree. One of the things I've noticed about my country is the relatively new theme of using Canada as some shining light in the sea of bullshit. Sorry, it just isn't the case.
Canada has a long and sad treatment of minority groups and aboriginals. We have been on the recieving end of Amnesty and the UN for such things. We almost elected a conservative government just to pay back a corrupt Liberal one. I could go on, but I'm saving it...
I plan on making a post about it when this one dies down.
I don't think you're a Fascist state either. I felt writing an article titled America's movement to the right, I would have lost many viewers. And it would seem I was right. This page has caused quite a bit of excitment.
The themes I pointed out do scare me though, and it would seem too few Americans are alarmed by it. They seem to vent more anger at people like Franken and Moore than they do at Bush.
Your censorship point is a good one too. As far as I know, every nation in history has censored to some degree. I'm not in favor of total exposure. When it comes to political issues and beliefs, I think they should be as even, fair and balanced as possible.
That is not to say that the news can't take a side or position. Only that the right has infinately more resourses to get it's message heard, and it is using those resources, much to the detriment of the free press and free speech. I happen to think it is deliberate. I could be wrong. This could all boil down to profit. The more news agencies you own, the more money you make. It doesn't really matter why. It is happening. And it is effecting what you as an American see on your news networks.
Submitted by Colorflux (user info) at 2004-07-12 17:36:39 EDT (#)
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I agree with what you are saying, but I think you over simplify a bit. It is easy to make straw men than knock them down. I live in America, so I might be biased, but I don't think we are quite a fascist state yet. Although I agree with ALL of your points, you are oversimplify much of it and don't look at the entire picture.
News stops being news once it starts hosting advertising. Once that happens, the people in charge no longer care about informing the masses, just getting as many viewers as possible to make more $$$. So it is a little unfair to judge the American networks, but at the same time they really should get there shit together. Censorship is a tricky thing on American TV because it can mean many different things. All American TV is censored at some level, but so is all TV because it only shows what the advertisers want it to show. I don't know about European TV, but I can bet that it is about making money not informing the people about what they need to know.
But saying things like Americans need a slice of humble pie is just going to piss of the largest group of computer users on the net. Any why, I liked your post but the whole thing is to complex to have any one definite answer.
-Winston Smith
Submitted by gibberish (user info) at 2004-07-12 17:30:14 EDT (#)
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Nah, my mind is plenty rational.
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-12 17:15:41 EDT (#)
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Gibberish...
How far we've come.
Sad I couldn't turn your mind of mush into a rational one.
Submitted by K.M (user info) at 2004-07-12 17:10:48 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by gibberish (user info) at 2004-07-12 16:57:59 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
AHHHHH!!!!
I've created a monster!!! THIS POST WON'T DIE!!!!
Hey TheToddfather,
I can't believe we ever pulled off getting this shit on the most heated... Though I think this article is pure grade-A bullshit, and you think my brain is made up of grade-A bullshit, I think we can both remember those good times when I said:
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Submitted by gibberish (user info) at 2004-07-10 14:34:25 (#)
Ranking: -2
With a little work we can get this on the list..
I'll pick a topic.
Let the flames fly.
Whats your stance on abortion?
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I look foward to more pointless political debates with an ignorant canuck ass like yourself...
---dAn
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-12 16:43:34 EDT (#)
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To show I'm fair and balanced, I offer a link to a pro-Bush campaign add..
http://www.crocuta.net/bush_fake_ad.mov
Hahahahahaha..
Submitted by dolfin (user info) at 2004-07-12 16:38:30 EDT (#)
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Great post, I agree. Someone had to say it, and should have long ago.
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-12 16:32:49 EDT (#)
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Your intelligence level is revealed in your post. There is no need for me to reply.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2004-07-12 16:29:45 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Your a socialist, I assume.
I'd kill you in real life the day people like you took over the government. And I'm not even kidding about that.
First of all, you have little understanding of the government.
I can shoot down your post immediately with one fact alone: Abortion.
If the "extreme right" had control of everything, wouldn't abortion be illegal? Now SHUT THE FUCK UP before I slash your throat wide open and leave you laying a pool of RED (since you like red so much).
Anyone who agrees with this prick needs to be hauled off and gunned down like a dog, too. Why? Because the clown gets his ideas from people like Michael Moore and Al Franken.
This assclown has no intelligence within himself so he latches onto words of others.
I'm sure the "dictatorship" America has become is very horrible, isn't it? Only when Bush is out of office in either 6 months or 4 years & 6 months all that rhetoric can stop, too.
(By the way, I'm libertarian not republican so you can take some cheap shots back at me and I guarantee they don't apply.)
Submitted by Arsenal (user info) at 2004-07-12 16:19:17 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-12 16:01:52 EDT (#)
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I don't exactly reach a lot of people, but I thought I should put this up.
Tom Mauser, whose 15 year old son Daniel was killed at Columbine High School, has created a petition for Americans to send a message to Bush stating that they want a Ban on Assault Weapons in America.
There isn't much I can do as a Canadian, however, if your American who opposes this form of weapon in your Country, here is a means of being heard.
I'm not commenting on this. If you want information on Tom's plea, please click the link below.
http://www.tomspetition.org/blog_alert.php
Submitted by Degreeless_Capibara (user info) at 2004-07-12 15:41:23 EDT (#)
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This was actually a really informative post, unlike most posts with the words "Michael Moore" or "fascism" in it.
Heil Mousillini!
Submitted by Socialist_Joe (user info) at 2004-07-12 15:39:57 EDT (#)
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I'm all for a -2 on my posts. I am deliberately extreme. I like pushing things
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you are not extreme you aint pushing anything
all your doing is repeating things i've seen before, just in so many more words
im no saying your wrong im not saying your right
i realy dont give a shit
and its not like im pro-bush im a fucking socialist
Submitted by TheToddfather (user info) at 2004-07-12 15:17:12 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
It was a size issue.
Apparently my post was too big.
Sorry, but there was a lot to cover.
Submitted by Toddfather1 (user info) at 2004-07-12 15:16:02 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Domenad,
Oh, where to begin...
How about your point on Impeachment, because it is about all I haven't covered already.
Here's a question.
How the hell is it possible that we were forced to go through months of impeachment hearings over Clinton getting a blowjob, and Bush can lie at will, and send his nation off to war based on lies and propaganda without any cost? Hmmmm?
I'm not suggesting Clinton shouldn't have gone through what he did, although I do think it was overkill. My point is that your country has ONE BIG FUCKING DOUBLE STANDARD. We'll impeach this guy cause, hey, he got sucked off, then he lied about it. Bush commits crimes that rank him with Nixon and Americans defend it. There can be "calls" for impeachment till the cows come home buddy, but where IS the impeachment hearing? He should have been in there a long time ago.
The FACT is, he made every effort to ensure you didn't know the things you know today. If he had it his way, Americans would ONLY know what HE tells them. And his efforts WORKED until leaks began to occur.
AMERICA BELIEVED SADDAM HAD TIES TO AL QUIEDA AND BIN LADEN.
You were pretty much the only western nation to believe such a pile of bullshit. Why is that??
As for your "Realities of Islam" comment, I don't think any nation should "support" any nation that engages in atrocities to anyone, whether that be women or men. This is another example of your countries great ability to keep a DOUBLE STANDARD.
You have a long history of being in bed with Saddam and other ruthless dictators. You are still in bed with ruthless dictators. Your country doesn't have an opinion, as far as I'm concerned, until you treat all Islamic fundamentalist equally. Bush didn't invade Iraq to free its people. If he did, then he must have a plan for Saudi Arabia, right? No, he doesn't. Does he have one for Mugabe in Zimbabwe? No, no he doesn't. Why? Saudis support him and his cronies, and Mugabe has no oil, or anything else of value. So, other nations suffer under ruthless regimes while your president is on a crusade for more wealth under the guise of liberating the people of oppressive regimes.
There are dozens of dictators who are just fine provided they remain loyal to your country. Bin Laden was a Saudi. They may have even partly funded the attack on your country. Bush supports them. Since Bush said "you're even with us or against us." And the recent labelling of anyone who doesn't back Bush and his agenda as un-American. Your view on Islamic extremists makes YOU un-American.
Submitted by Toddfather1 (user info) at 2004-07-12 15:15:38 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
I think the people calling for me to "die" should sum up pretty nicely what the level of Free Speech is in America.
Yes, the title is extreme, but if you read the article, I doubt you would see it the same way.
In any event, wanting someone dead is a new one for me. I come from a Country where you don't have to live in fear for expressing your opinions. I guess America doesn't believe in such things. If someone disagrees with you, "DIE".
I'm all for a -2 on my posts. I am deliberately extreme. I like pushing things. If you don't like it, don't read it. If you hate it, put a -2 with a comment why you think I'm wrong, or no comment at all. I don't see the point in resorting to "die" comments. It makes you look like those American Apes that can't stand any form of dissent or expression against anything American.
In Bill Maher's book, When You Ride Alone You Ride With Bin Laden, he talks about morons like you. After 911 occurred, there was a huge flag craze. Some would call it another opportunity for corporations to make piles of money. Anyway, according to Maher, it became a big patriotic statement to have American flags on your vehicle. Anyway, some Ape with 5 flags on his truck yelled at another proud American who had 4 flags on his truck, "Go back to Afghanistan!"
This is the epitome of Ape-like retardedness. These "die" comments aren't too far behind though.
AlahAckbar,
Where to begin. We'll start with Bush. If you can find one post of mine that says Americans "Worship" Bush, I'd like to see it. I think half of all Americans HATE Bush. It's the fact that half still like him that scares me. READ BEFORE POSTING.
I also posted saying, if Americans vote him back in, I will have lost all hope for them to do what is right. I still believe that. Sometimes you have to vote AGAINST a political leader, in order to elect what can only be described as the lesser of two evils.
I realize there are Americans who simply vote Republican no matter what. Well, even they have a line, and we need to ask ourselves WHY hasn't that line been reached? Clearly, if a Nazi lunatic made it to the top of the Republican party, even die-hard Reps would vote Democrat. So, they have a line. Even if 40% of America still supports Bush, that is just too many. This guy should be at 10% with only the most fanatical right-wingers supporting him. That isn't the case.
On movies: My example stands. Your excuse for placing American Generals next to God is "AMERICAN MOVIES ARE MADE FOR AMERICANS, THEREFORE GEARED TOWARDS AMERICANS." I'm afraid that is no excuse. For all you know, God hated every one of your Generals. We don't know, if there is a God, what he thinks about America or Americans. Are your Generals Gods? No. They died just like everyone else.
It would be like me making a film, God Loves Canada More than you. "Oh, I made it geared toward Canadians."
Sad.
On hating Americans:
As much as it may appear, I don't hate America or Americans. I hate repeating myself, so if you re-read my other posts you will notice that I've travelled a lot in America, and enjoyed the country and the people immensely. The purpose of this post is to point out a transition in American thought that scares me. I feel propaganda and censorship IS getting worse every year. I feel there is a lot of evidence to back this up. YES, books are still coming out. And yes, some people are still bringing the left and center views forward. My point is, fewer and fewer are every year. This has been the case for a good thirty years. One can conclude by this theme that fewer and fewer will come out in the future.
Ideas should never be silenced, unless they call for the death or injury of innocent people. The fact is, there are forces at work in America that are succeeding in silencing views other than the right. This, in turn, is preventing Americans from being exposed to alternative ideas. It is called brainwashing.
Even the Americans who fundamentally disagree with this post have agreed that people are lazy. That their downfall is only due to their laziness. In part, I agree. However, why should Americans have to DIG for center and left views while being bombarded by the right 80% of the time.
In the end, I don't care if Americans wake up to this or not. Provided they leave my country alone. After all, if America fixed the issues pressing it right now, I think I would have to attempt to get my citizenship there. And I really don't feel like moving again.
Submitted by Toddfather1 (user info) at 2004-07-12 15:13:43 EDT (#)
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I should comment on the Spam Issue as well. The matter should be cleared up. I hope. The sad thing is, it was all over a stupid misinterpretation on my part. A misinterpretation of a stupid comment on my Fetus for Food Program post. It was simply "Ban Fetish". I saw that and though, "WTF? He didn't even read the post! He thinks this article is Fetish? How sick is this guy?" So I went to his first post, didn't read it, and posted one "Ban Fetish" on his.
I'm new to Uber. So, many of you are probably laughing at the sad fact that I didn't realize "Fetish" was a user. Not my brightest moment, I assure you. So, the Fetish user saw it, and got pretty insulted, and so would I.
I don't care what my rating is on my posts. I pretty much expect a lot of people to hate them. And they do. Others don't. That's what it's all about for me. However, I had just posted my first personal work, which was important to me.
One thing that I was blown away by was the fact that the very first review of my House of Cards short story was by a person who appears to have the same illness. The story makes no mention of what the main character has. Zero. Yet she was the first to find it.
I have read a few of her posts. They are Bar None the best writing I have found yet on Uber. Go and read them.
Anyway. All was well, until, Fetish saw I h