Fuck your dead son. (2662 hits)
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Submitted by Andrew <downerSTAIN.at.hotmail.com> (View user info) at 2004-08-08 00:20:33 EDT
Picture it: You're a cop. You're called to a scene where a young black man is standing out in the street waving a knife, apparently a crowd has appeared. You get out and try to talk the young man down, but to no avail. You fear that if you let this get out of control, you or someone in the crowd could get hurt and you would be in a world of shit. You're standing there trying to talk him down, and he comes at you with the knife.
What do you do?
Shoot him?
That's what I would have done, and that's what the cop in this situation did. He shot him, apparently killing him. This seems rational, no? Someone's coming at you with a knife, you have a gun, so you shoot them.
Apparently, this didn't seem rational to the young man's parents. They sued the city for wrongful death and settled for $500,000 just before a jury was selected. I think this is complete bullshit and I'm sure a lot of you agree with me. It is not the policeman or the city's fault that your son was standing out in the street waving a knife around. It is not their fault he came at them and they did what they thought was best. Yes, there may have been a better solution, one that didn't result in the young man's death, but this was a split second decision a I'm sure most people would have done the exact same thing, if only because their survival instincts took over and they didn't really feel like being stabbed that day, or having someone in the crowd be stabbed and have it come down on them. So, to the family of this young man, I say fuck you and fuck your dead, idiot son.
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Submitted by AntiAmerica at 2004-09-28 23:25:57 EDT (#)
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Your nothing but a american redneck racist
Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-09-28 23:25:19 EDT (#)
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SOMEONE has skeletons in their closet!
Submitted by downerSTAIN (user info) at 2004-08-13 19:43:11 EDT (#)
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Fo shizzle.
Submitted by the_lone_stranger (user info) at 2004-08-11 12:22:53 EDT (#)
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PUMP PUMP. 2 SLUGS IN YO CHEST.
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2004-08-11 12:02:12 EDT (#)
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meh.
Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-08-11 11:58:28 EDT (#)
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heat boost.
Submitted by heater (user info) at 2004-08-11 11:44:29 EDT (#)
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Heat boost!
Submitted by Chief_Rugger (user info) at 2004-08-10 12:23:37 EDT (#)
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Pretty much all I wanted to say has been said already. The family is greedy, and they know that they can cash in on minority incidents. FUck'em. This isn't about race, it's about realy crappy parents trying to cash in on their psychotic spawn's 30 seconds of fame. The cops did what any rational person without super mojo kung fu powers would do, point and squeeze.
Submitted by triple_optics (user info) at 2004-08-10 12:08:54 EDT (#)
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Just one less black in the gene pool.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2004-08-10 08:56:25 EDT (#)
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no way he could have just shot the kid in the fucking legs instead of the face?
Submitted by Anansie (user info) at 2004-08-09 22:52:54 EDT (#)
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Wow. You know, regardless of color, any one that charges at a police officer while holding a knife is going to get shot. Isn't this something we are all taught? In fact, even if he wasn't a policeman but just some average citizen being attacked by a knife wielding psycho, it would most likely be considered self defense. If I have a gun and someone comes at me with a knife, I'm going to shoot the guy. In a situation like that, it would be difficult to think clearly enough to come up with other options. Having been in fear for my life before, I know this. My heart started beating very fast, and a panicky, twitchy haze took over my brain. It was all I could do to keep the slightest bit calm. Police officers may be trained to handle it better than the rest of us, but I don't think that means that they have an easy time handling it. I think it's human nature to panic and react on instinct when one's life is in jeapardy, no matter what the situation.
Submitted by precision (user info) at 2004-08-09 22:24:33 EDT (#)
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blacklisted - seems like I remember (from being a police officer) the closing distance is something like "if the knife wielding attacker is within 22ft, running as fast as they can, you won't have enough time to draw your weapon, aim and fire", much less use an ASP, PR-24 or pepper spray, that would vary depending on the people involved, but it is something like that anyway. As far as shooting in the leg...you NEVER want to do that anyway, it looks good on TV but in real life, THAT will get you sued and fired. Besides, if you have the kind of time it takes to aim at that small of a moving target, then you probably have time to use one of your other weapons, or at the very least, retreat to a better distance/position.
Submitted by munkeypants (user info) at 2004-08-09 21:34:14 EDT (#)
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you have a point but the title is a bit harsh.
Submitted by spedmonkey (user info) at 2004-08-09 21:29:37 EDT (#)
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I have to agree. freight train, no we don't know what happened, but we are going on reports by reliable news agencies. if we can't believe that they tell the truth, what the fuck can we believe? I can't find blame on the cop's side; if i see some crazy fuck with a deadly weapon make a sudden movement at me, especially if i'm already nervous with so many potential victims around, im going to go with my first instinct which is to fire center-mass at the target. this is ingrained at police acadamies; fire center mass. a 9mm has good stopping power and a shot in the chest will halt most people. and contrary to belief, cops aren't given that great accuracy training; many ordinary officers only go to the range once a year. so given all of that, i'd have to agree: under those circumstances, suing the city for the actions of your own dumbass son is bullshit.
Submitted by calbearspolo (user info) at 2004-08-09 20:50:42 EDT (#)
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If you assault an officer with a deadly weapon, be prepared to loose your life. Period.
Call me names, but basic self preservation should teach you not to assault ANYBODY holding a gun in a manner that directly threatens their life, especially an officer. A police officer also has to act in defense of all other people present, and by law must take every precaution to keep himself from being disarmed from an attacker. If the man with the knife had struck the officer, possibly killing him, the attacker now has a knife and a GUN.
I've always been a proponent of the thinking: the moment you actively threaten the lives of others, you are thereby threatening your own as well.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2004-08-09 17:46:45 EDT (#)
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Anyone who can put a price on their child's life is a fucking disgrace as far as I'm concerned.
Submitted by Screwyouall (user info) at 2004-08-09 17:38:24 EDT (#)
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hmm, some kid waving a knife around, then he suddenly charges me? i woulve done the same as the cop. Who couldve known if the kid actually was going for the kill? its kill or be killed folks you make the desicion
Submitted by BlackListed (user info) at 2004-08-09 15:41:24 EDT (#)
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Honestly, I agree with the original post... f*ck the knife carrying prick... F*CK him. His intent was to do harm to either myself or another individual, so he's done/dead/KIA. End of story. Two to center mass to stop his forward progress and one to the head. I know, I know... shoot him in the leg, just wound him.
I am friends with several former cops, retired military personnel, etc.,... closing speed of an individual with a knife is almost NEVER taken into consideration when someone hears of 'knife vs gun' in a situation like this. If he would've shot the man in the leg, you think that's just gonna drop this guy? WHAT IF IT DIDN'T? The officer should've taken his chances and perhaps lost his own life? HELL NO! You are trained to maintain the upper hand and to NEVER surrender that to your opponent.
F*ck the guy with the knife.
F*ck his parents.
Honestly... F*ck the system for not having any common sense, too.
Submitted by WRECKER (user info) at 2004-08-09 15:20:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by reggie <reggie.at.spaceagemedia.com> at 2004-08-08 00:43:30 (#)
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He could have shot him in the leg.
Police are trained to shoot for accuracy before they can join the force
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Police are also trained to shot at center mast (i.e. the chest, where the heart is). Ask any police officer, if they have ever had to fire their gun at someone. If and I stress IF they have they will tell you, if they are going to shoot, they want to make sure that they kill their target or wound them to the point where they are only getting up with the help of medical assistance. ASSHOLE.
Submitted by lucid (user info) at 2004-08-09 14:43:15 EDT (#)
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Exactly.
$500,000 to the family is a lot less than the court costs as well as the bad press!
Moral to the story : Train your children to barrage policemen with knives, and try not to get too attached to them when they're young.
Submitted by bad_absinthe (user info) at 2004-08-09 14:06:19 EDT (#)
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Should have put two more in the fucker while he was lying on the ground just to make sure.
And if he had killed the parents, the city would still have its dinero.
Submitted by akrofiild (user info) at 2004-08-09 14:01:05 EDT (#)
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I was contemplating a -1 for mentioning that he was black but then I came to a conclusion: the fact that he is black probably helps explain the court issue. Settlement means that neither party want to go to court. It is CHEAPER to settle and that is why the family got 500,000 dollars. They could have steped in court claiming racial prejudice, that the cop could have shot him in the leg (difficult or not) ... If they went to court it would be more damaging to the police department both moneteraly and reputation wise.
Submitted by FartSmeller (user info) at 2004-08-09 13:59:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by reggie <reggie.at.spaceagemedia.com> at 2004-08-08 00:43:30 (#)
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He could have shot him in the leg.
Police are trained to shoot for accuracy before they can join the force.
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Police, as well as military (with the exception of snipers) are NOT trained to take skill shots, because of the risk of missing and hitting an innocent bystander. They are trained to aim center mass and put as many rounds in it as are necessary to stop the attacker. And someone elevating the force ladder so much as to run at you with a knife is more than enough justifiable cause to use deadly force. True statement.
Anyone who says they wouldn't have done the same thing is a fucking liar, or worse, an idiot that lacks the self-preservation requisite for survival. The kind of people that teach their kids that if someone hits them, it's okay just to take it. Tools.
Submitted by Fizz (user info) at 2004-08-09 13:45:57 EDT (#)
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Good article. Everyones review misses one thing...what about the cop? What price did he have to pay being forced to off a whack job? The family gets an award?!?!?! They oughta be offed too!!!
Submitted by CountNoCount (user info) at 2004-08-09 13:39:59 EDT (#)
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Terminate with extreme prejudice.
If this is all there is to know about the situation, it's simple. If a man (white, black, yellow, green - you pick the color) runs at you (cop, butcher, baker, candlestick maker - you pick the occupation) with a knife you must take him down. In the split-second you have to do this regrettable deed, you are most likely not going to have the luxury of aiming for a leg, a wing, or a thigh and, unless you're a better shot than I, the situation dictates that you will probably miss. So, you're aiming for meat - white, dark, it doesn't matter. And if you do succeed in appeasing any inclination that you possess toward humanity - that is, if you do only clip him - who's to say that's going to stop him. A crazed man (and I'm assuming this man is craaaaazy) will most likely persist in his advances. Pretty soon, you've got a knife in your chest, and x days later we're talking about a group of victims suing The City for not exercising due force in dealing with the perp while allowing y deaths. It's a no-win scenario; somebody's gotta die.
Naysayers should stop eating the peanuts from Al Franken's shit and wake the fuck up.
+4 for your judgment
-2 for the rhetoric (Maybe I'm a bit hyporcritical here. Oh, well.)
+2
Submitted by disAbled (user info) at 2004-08-09 13:05:54 EDT (#)
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This sort of situation just happened in Yakima, WA. Is this the incident you are citing?
Submitted by wazzawazzayo (user info) at 2004-08-09 11:51:20 EDT (#)
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In most cases cops just be itchin' for a reason to shoot a muthafucka dead. That guy gave the cop an excuse.
Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2004-08-09 10:00:25 EDT (#)
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Nigger deserved to die.
No racial prejudice involced... Run at ANYONE holding a loaded weapon waving a fucking knife, and you're going to die.
YOU ARE GOING TO DIE.
And for all you people who say I can't call him a nigger, go listen to some N.W.A. or Jay Z or some other form of 'black' music. It's a recognised descriptive term, perpetuated by their own race.
Submitted by Zoidberg (user info) at 2004-08-09 07:27:51 EDT (#)
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Freight train, how can you call someone waving a knife and threatening people in public innocent? Are you fucking completely bereft of common sense?
The cop did the right thing. Yes they have beanbag rounds, in their car. Yes they might possibly have a chance to shoot to maim.
But 2 points here. Have you people ever even fired a handgun before? Being accurate with a handgun isn't like in the movies. It takes a lot of practice and concentration to hit a stationary target 20 feet away. Nevermind if that target is coming at you to kill you and you only have 1 second and probably one shot to stop him. Fuck you if you think he shouldn't take the sure shot instead of aiming for a leg and probably missing.
Also, again, he probably only had an instant to react. Unless things are different in your town and people can call "Timeout" when things escalate, I seriously doubt he had time to run back to his car and get his beanbag rounds before the guy was on him. Even then, not sure how it is in other departments, but you have to be specially trained with nonlethal rounds. Not everyone carries them
Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-08-09 07:16:48 EDT (#)
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What a load of bullshit. Bastards, they are. America, my friends, is going down the fucking shit hole-the bog.
Submitted by Walsareck (user info) at 2004-08-09 06:14:39 EDT (#)
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That sort of thing is bullshit - although the son should not have been there in the first place. I think the city should sue the parents for having such a dip-shit for a son and not spanking him more.
Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-08-09 03:11:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rpdb1111 (user info) at 2004-08-09 02:40:11 (#)
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BARELY WORTH RESPONDING TO...
People don't bother even getting upset over these ridiculous comments. Read between the lines. It's about someone attempting to get a rise out of us. Notice the key issues being repeated: "black man" "dead" "f__k you dead..." "f__k him" "f__k his parents" It's not about the law it about a white cop like me, having to pay money because someone who HAPPENED not to be white was killed. This makes people with low self esteem, bigots and people who see themselves as hopeless, ANGRY. It's THEIR PROBLEM. Learn to recognize them, arm yourselves, responsibly, with INFORMATION, distance from them, and the ability to recognize they cannot hurt you (any worse than any other crazy person. GO ON WITH LIFE. Chances are they will forfeit their own soon with their own ignorance. If they spent half the time makeing changes in their own lives as they spend spewing trash, they would be happier people and better members of anyones community.
let's move on!
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...was that english?
Submitted by Skippy (user info) at 2004-08-09 02:59:30 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by rpdb1111 (user info) at 2004-08-09 02:40:11 EDT (#)
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BARELY WORTH RESPONDING TO...
People don't bother even getting upset over these ridiculous comments. Read between the lines. It's about someone attempting to get a rise out of us. Notice the key issues being repeated: "black man" "dead" "f__k you dead..." "f__k him" "f__k his parents" It's not about the law it about a white cop like me, having to pay money because someone who HAPPENED not to be white was killed. This makes people with low self esteem, bigots and people who see themselves as hopeless, ANGRY. It's THEIR PROBLEM. Learn to recognize them, arm yourselves, responsibly, with INFORMATION, distance from them, and the ability to recognize they cannot hurt you (any worse than any other crazy person. GO ON WITH LIFE. Chances are they will forfeit their own soon with their own ignorance. If they spent half the time makeing changes in their own lives as they spend spewing trash, they would be happier people and better members of anyones community.
let's move on!
Submitted by A-Daamage (user info) at 2004-08-09 01:32:38 EDT (#)
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I'd like to hear eye-witness accounts of this, but if the situation happened as you say it did, then yes, the cop was right in his actions.
Submitted by Ryo (user info) at 2004-08-09 01:19:38 EDT (#)
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Im amazed Im posting a plus two.
Frieghttrain, Maybe if you pulled your head out of your ass, you would realise that he isn't being racist, he just thinks that anyone being violent in a moronic manner, ergo waving a weapon around in a crowd, Should be taken down. Killed? Well, I would shoot for the head or heart. Snipers creed. Aim Small, Miss Small. Couldve it been taken care of another way? Maybe. Cant really change whats done. As for not only the parents, All assholes in general who sue people for major fuck ups on there part or there family, Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Your screwing people over because you did something retarded. You shouldn't be rewarded for being a fucktard, you should be slapped, and put in a corner. Think about what youve done. Not gonna go in the corner? Give em the dragon kick.
Submitted by Zero (user info) at 2004-08-08 23:48:08 EDT (#)
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Is it just me or is the legal system in this country gone to shit? Anyone in their right mind given a split second to decide what that cop had to decide proably would've done the same thing. Yes, a loss of a life is sad (even though he brought it upon himself) but that cop was doing his duty not only protecting himself, but also protecting those civilians around him. Kudos to the cop... screw the parents that sued the city.
Submitted by gibberish (user info) at 2004-08-08 23:32:43 EDT (#)
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"So, to the family of this young man, I say fuck you and fuck your dead, idiot son."
Indeed.
Oh, and Freight_Train can go fuck themself. Goddamn nigger fucking gook!!! I hate Bush!!!!
You said racist liberal, right?
Submitted by RyuFu (user info) at 2004-08-08 23:25:10 EDT (#)
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(crazy dude with gun coming at me with knife) + (i don't want to be stabbed) + (i have gun) = crazy dude with gun gets shot dead
Submitted by bravo_foxtrot (user info) at 2004-08-08 22:38:50 EDT (#)
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One reason they don't give warning or disabling shots is because of innocent bystanders. Most cops carry pistols that fire 9mm rounds, a 9mm has pretty good penetration properties, so if you do manage to hit that 8 inch wide profile leg of a man who is probably not standing still, chances are pretty good that the round may just blow right through the muscle maybe missing the bone and hit an innocent. Thats why they aim for center mass, alot more bone and tissue to stop the bullet.
Submitted by sg11588 (user info) at 2004-08-08 21:23:21 EDT (#)
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Fucking assholes.
Submitted by bargled (user info) at 2004-08-08 20:31:41 EDT (#)
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Let's all do the macarena and have a BBQ in the back yard.
C'mon you bitches, it's a PARTY!
Submitted by Smithstudd (user info) at 2004-08-08 20:28:54 EDT (#)
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Bang Bang
Submitted by Slovin (user info) at 2004-08-08 20:15:34 EDT (#)
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When I clicked the link I was sure this would be worthy of a -2.
Congratulations on making me agree with the words "fuck your dead son."
Submitted by Nator (user info) at 2004-08-08 19:14:37 EDT (#)
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Could have shot him in the leg, right?
"but this was a split second decision a I'm sure most people would have done the exact same thing"
He isn't 'most people' though, is he? He's a trained police officer, trained how to react in these situations. I don't think the recommended way of handling this situation is shooting him in the head. Still, sueing him for this seems wrong.
Submitted by cheruboo (user info) at 2004-08-08 17:30:18 EDT (#)
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Eat my fuck.
Submitted by sketch9 (user info) at 2004-08-08 17:27:49 EDT (#)
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i didnt even fucking read this, but +2 anyway for this not being written by fucking fetish. every god damn link in the "recently reviewed" box has been by him. even some shit he wrote about fucking bridges.
god damn people.
Submitted by downerSTAIN (user info) at 2004-08-08 17:19:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by screaney (user info) at 2004-08-08 16:29:37 (#)
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imagine now that you are a cop there to ameliorate the situation, and you are fully trained to quell such disturbances. however, the knife wielding terror is not a black man, but a fairly attractive caucasian (or non-black) woman. furthermore, she is a hollywood celebrity. regardless, she rushes you with knife-stabbing zeal, and you know full well, you are going to take a sharp one in the chest if left unchecked. would you still cap her? or would you try to restrain her through your hand-to-hand training course you learned back in basic 2 years ago?
its a tough call. if it was j-lo trying to stab me, i would personnally try to pop a cap in her voluptuous ass as a non-lethal alternative.
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If I have a gun, anyone lunging at me with a knife, no matter what gender, race, religion, what have you, is getting a cap in their ass.
Submitted by cheruboo (user info) at 2004-08-08 16:56:35 EDT (#)
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this is so true. Fuck the dead son. P.S. Are you referring to the incident in toronto? or just one of the many where a cracked up nigger lunges at a cop doing his duty, dies for coming after said cop with a knife, then the parents scream "DISCRIMINATION!" and how he was such a good boy and just "getting things back together" in his life?. FUCK THEM, fuck them up their stupid asses.
Submitted by BoogieFevuh (user info) at 2004-08-08 16:49:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by screaney (user info) at 2004-08-08 16:29:37 (#)
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imagine now that you are a cop there to ameliorate the situation, and you are fully trained to quell such disturbances. however, the knife wielding terror is not a black man, but a fairly attractive caucasian (or non-black) woman. furthermore, she is a hollywood celebrity. regardless, she rushes you with knife-stabbing zeal, and you know full well, you are going to take a sharp one in the chest if left unchecked. would you still cap her? or would you try to restrain her through your hand-to-hand training course you learned back in basic 2 years ago?
its a tough call. if it was j-lo trying to stab me, i would personnally try to pop a cap in her voluptuous ass as a non-lethal alternative.
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Well, making it a woman is different, because guys are naturally stronger and harder to deal with.
Submitted by screaney (user info) at 2004-08-08 16:29:37 EDT (#)
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imagine now that you are a cop there to ameliorate the situation, and you are fully trained to quell such disturbances. however, the knife wielding terror is not a black man, but a fairly attractive caucasian (or non-black) woman. furthermore, she is a hollywood celebrity. regardless, she rushes you with knife-stabbing zeal, and you know full well, you are going to take a sharp one in the chest if left unchecked. would you still cap her? or would you try to restrain her through your hand-to-hand training course you learned back in basic 2 years ago?
its a tough call. if it was j-lo trying to stab me, i would personnally try to pop a cap in her voluptuous ass as a non-lethal alternative.
Submitted by BoogieFevuh (user info) at 2004-08-08 15:56:13 EDT (#)
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Cops are trained to shoot to kill if their life is in danger. End of story! It's not a race issue. And what if the cop didn't shoot? The man with the knife would've killed him, and you idiots wouldn't have cared.
Submitted by UlfGabe (user info) at 2004-08-08 15:45:05 EDT (#)
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Cops get paid in shit, they have to kill people or take drugs to get their jollies and uppers.
Most cops are either too Young or too old, the young are impulsive, and will shoot.
Old people are not in shape enought to take down a younger knife wielding dude.
Pretty much not enought training for the cops.
-2 for cops being dumb fuckers. I've never known a good cop.
Submitted by Freight_Train (user info) at 2004-08-08 15:35:28 EDT (#)
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i cant believe you people let this have a positive rating
ubersite is full of liberal RACIST assholes. WORST FUCKING COMBINATION
YOU FUCKERS DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THERE. HOW CAN YOU ASSUME SHIT IN YOUR STUPID RETARDED HEADS.
over and out, you assholes can all fucking die
Submitted by ScoutCJustice (user info) at 2004-08-08 15:23:49 EDT (#)
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I don't know what this crap about cops shooting to incapacitate and not to kill is. If a cop is forced into a situation where he has to use his gun, he is trained to shoot center mass and keep shooting until the fucker drops. And if you rush a cop with a knife, then you've got it coming. Sure, it would be nice if there was a way to drop the guy without killing him, but I doubt the cop had any ranged non-lethal weapons on his person, and I know I wouldn't let a crazy guy coming at me with a knife close enough for pepper spray or the baton to be effective because once you get to that short distance then the knife is in range of you.
Submitted by Realist at 2004-08-08 12:59:20 EDT (#)
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I would have to agree with your comment: Fuck you, and your dead, idiot son.
Well said.
If this incident happened in China, not only would the son be dead, but a few of the family members would be as well (courtesy of the state).
Obviously, the fucking moron was about to do bad, what the cop did was completely correct. I am sure that if the roles were reversed, that family would have supported their son killing the aggressor to save himself and those around him. Regardless of how far away the idiot was, he was still trying to do bad.
I am more mad at our judicial system that allows cases like this to happen. Fuck those fucking handout-monkeys, I hope they end up dead like their worthless son.
Unless we stop enabling these handout monkeys, there will always be handout-monkeys.
Submitted by Original_Aboriginal (user info) at 2004-08-08 12:47:50 EDT (#)
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Death is funny.
Submitted by StonedSilly (user info) at 2004-08-08 12:41:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by I_Have_a_Kristen_Fetish (user info) at 2004-08-08 12:08:05 (#)
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Submitted by StonedSilly (user info) at 2004-08-08 00:49:17 (#)
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I've been sprayed with pepper spray.
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You need to trying feel up geriatric women.
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Fagish, are you still obsessing over me?
Oh, and you just showed us what your english is like when you don't use spell and grammar check.
"You need to trying feel up geriatric women."
Actually, it was a cop that sprayed me.
Go back to school, learn English again, and then learn how to be a decent fucking person.
Submitted by MisterCeltic (user info) at 2004-08-08 12:29:21 EDT (#)
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If more cops shot more dirtbags in the face, well, there would be less dirtbags, right?
Submitted by Ingsoc (user info) at 2004-08-08 12:10:59 EDT (#)
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Because I'm heartless.
Submitted by I_Have_a_Kristen_Fetish (user info) at 2004-08-08 12:08:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by StonedSilly (user info) at 2004-08-08 00:49:17 (#)
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I've been sprayed with pepper spray.
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You need to trying feel up geriatric women.
Submitted by littledan (user info) at 2004-08-08 11:30:39 EDT (#)
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I probably would have done the same thing as the cop did, it would be my first instinct of defense as some one came at me with a knife.
"Submitted by Freight_Train (user info) at 2004-08-08 01:55:38 (#)
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You fucking biggot asshole
First you say that the guy was black, then you say FUCK YOU to his family you dumb piece of shit
That donut eating cop assfuck could not handle the situation, which resulted in an innocent death."
Innocent death? You're talking out of your ass. He was waving a knife at a crowd and a cop. He was not innocent. It has nothing to do with the fact that he was black. He could have been from Denmark and it wouldn't have made a difference. What this guy did was wrong, and the cop had to make a choice. You're a fucking moron. Couldn't handle it? What would you have done? Shit your pants and cried for mommy? Let the cop do his job, ass.
Submitted by RideJohnnyRide (user info) at 2004-08-08 11:11:40 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
When someone comes at you with a fucking knife you are not going to shoot him in the leg, you are going to shoot him in the face. Dont even think about saying you wouldnt.
Submitted by I_Have_a_Kristen_Fetish (user info) at 2004-08-08 07:18:13 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
No Comment
Submitted by Caldur (user info) at 2004-08-08 05:09:13 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2004-08-08 03:42:11 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Guns aren't playthings, and if you're shooting an assailant, you should always shoot to end the threat. The most effective & reliable way of doing this is to put at least one round through his center of mass, likely killing him in the process. Shooting to incapacitate is fine if you have 1) the eqpt. 2) a backup in case the non-lethal weapon fails 3) a reasonable certainty that the non-lethal weapon won't allow him to hurt someone ( you ) before it incapacitates him.
Submitted by BoogieFevuh (user info) at 2004-08-08 03:25:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by GhostWriter (user info) at 2004-08-08 03:06:46 (#)
Ranking: -1
Now I don't know the details to this story, but cops are trained not to shoot to kill.
And that last line was just a little fucked up I thought.
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This isnt true. I'm a criminal justice major, and last semester I had class with a cop. He says if an officer shoots, it's only to kill. They aren't allowed to 'shoot to maim' anymore, as too many criminals sued the city afterward. Some help that was, though.
Submitted by GhostWriter (user info) at 2004-08-08 03:06:46 EDT (#)
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Now I don't know the details to this story, but cops are trained not to shoot to kill.
And that last line was just a little fucked up I thought.
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2004-08-08 03:04:04 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
That's a great title for a song.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2004-08-08 02:55:42 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
If the situation is as described, then yes I would have shot the fucker! And then I would have secretly hoped he bled to death on his way to the hospital.
On the flip side:
The cops do have to be held accountable for their actions, to prevent the total disentigration of what little freedom we have left into the police state the USA is destined to become eventually. The purpose of any inquiry into matters such as these should be to determine whether that officer should be fired or jailed for his action, not for monetary recompense. Because mainly, if the department itself is sued, then it's the taxpayers who suffer.
There are cases in which there should be some financial compensation, and it is when the victim is the provider for the family bringing forth the lawsuit.
Submitted by coley <notloggedin> at 2004-08-08 02:49:58 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Ya know, I don't believe I've ever left a
"-2 DIE!"
I don't think so..definitely some -2s but not many "DIE"s
I think I will leave one to myself on the post I just made, though, cause it sucked. Something about posting late at night..every time I do that it really sucks. Maybe it's just me.
Submitted by downerSTAIN (user info) at 2004-08-08 02:36:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by coley (user info) at 2004-08-08 02:26:11 (#)
Ranking: -1
Submitted by downerSTAIN (user info) at 2004-08-08 01:04:58 (#)
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Submitted by coley (user info) at 2004-08-08 01:02:30 (#)
Ranking: -1
I'm going to call heated, maybe..
I'd say (without knowing the details) that unless the man with the knife had a hostage that it was unneccessary to shoot him. I understand he was a serious threat to the people around him, probably including the cop, but a knife can't stab someone twenty feet away. A gun can. The cop had the upper hand and I don't personally believe it was neccessary.
So yeah, I logged in for the first time in a while just to say that.
Oh well.
By the way this post wasn't very good, sorry.
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I didn't write this post to get great reviews or get most heated, I just wanted to hear other people's opinion's on the matter and get it off my chest.
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Right on, I think it was with good intentions and could be a very debate-inciting post but I'm handed the ability to rate and so thought I'd explain myself. (My posts aren't very good so I'm not bein a snob er nuthin).
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Yeah, I totally understand. It's cool when people actually give reasons for their ratings instead of just "die". Unless it's obvious why the post sucks so much.
Submitted by dwr_budr (user info) at 2004-08-08 02:26:29 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
If this thread were any shittier it would be japanese porn.
Submitted by coley (user info) at 2004-08-08 02:26:11 EDT (#)
Ranking: -1
Submitted by downerSTAIN (user info) at 2004-08-08 01:04:58 (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by coley (user info) at 2004-08-08 01:02:30 (#)
Ranking: -1
I'm going to call heated, maybe..
I'd say (without knowing the details) that unless the man with the knife had a hostage that it was unneccessary to shoot him. I understand he was a serious threat to the people around him, probably including the cop, but a knife can't stab someone twenty feet away. A gun can. The cop had the upper hand and I don't personally believe it was neccessary.
So yeah, I logged in for the first time in a while just to say that.
Oh well.
By the way this post wasn't very good, sorry.
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I didn't write this post to get great reviews or get most heated, I just wanted to hear other people's opinion's on the matter and get it off my chest.
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Right on, I think it was with good intentions and could be a very debate-inciting post but I'm handed the ability to rate and so thought I'd explain myself. (My posts aren't very good so I'm not bein a snob er nuthin).
Submitted by downerSTAIN (user info) at 2004-08-08 02:10:23 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by Freight_Train (user info) at 2004-08-08 01:55:38 (#)
Ranking: -2
You fucking biggot asshole
First you say that the guy was black, then you say FUCK YOU to his family you dumb piece of shit
That donut eating cop assfuck could not handle the situation, which resulted in an innocent death.
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First of all, I don't give a shit if he's white, black, mexican, chinese, whatever the fuck you throw out, if someone's coming at me with a knife and I have a gun, I'm going to shoot them. Of course I'm going to say fuck you to the family, they're pissed because their stupid son went and stood out in the middle of the street with a knife and got shot.
Submitted by KoolMang (user info) at 2004-08-08 02:08:18 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Freight_Train LOVES niggers!
Submitted by Freight_Train (user info) at 2004-08-08 01:59:26 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
First go and find the facts, then come back here and make a statement. You want my opinion? My opinion is that you fucking think before you post.
Black male, white male. FUCK YOUR FAMILY! FUCK YOUR MOM for saying yes to your dad
Submitted by Freight_Train (user info) at 2004-08-08 01:57:09 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THERE ASSFUCK
you give me some random ass facts, and then tell me, "you would have done the same thing"
I WAS NOT THERE FAGGOT. YOu dont even know the whole story. So why dont you shut your fucking biggot mouth. The cop could not handle the situation, plus YOU DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
I cant believe you assholes are supporting this ass fuck.
Submitted by Freight_Train (user info) at 2004-08-08 01:55:38 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
You fucking biggot asshole
First you say that the guy was black, then you say FUCK YOU to his family you dumb piece of shit
That donut eating cop assfuck could not handle the situation, which resulted in an innocent death.
Submitted by lux78 (user info) at 2004-08-08 01:27:44 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
I liked it, but it's news.
Submitted by downerSTAIN (user info) at 2004-08-08 01:04:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by coley (user info) at 2004-08-08 01:02:30 (#)
Ranking: -1
I'm going to call heated, maybe..
I'd say (without knowing the details) that unless the man with the knife had a hostage that it was unneccessary to shoot him. I understand he was a serious threat to the people around him, probably including the cop, but a knife can't stab someone twenty feet away. A gun can. The cop had the upper hand and I don't personally believe it was neccessary.
So yeah, I logged in for the first time in a while just to say that.
Oh well.
By the way this post wasn't very good, sorry.
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I didn't write this post to get great reviews or get most heated, I just wanted to hear other people's opinion's on the matter and get it off my chest.
Submitted by coley (user info) at 2004-08-08 01:02:30 EDT (#)
Ranking: -1
I'm going to call heated, maybe..
I'd say (without knowing the details) that unless the man with the knife had a hostage that it was unneccessary to shoot him. I understand he was a serious threat to the people around him, probably including the cop, but a knife can't stab someone twenty feet away. A gun can. The cop had the upper hand and I don't personally believe it was neccessary.
So yeah, I logged in for the first time in a while just to say that.
Oh well.
By the way this post wasn't very good, sorry.
Submitted by Smithstudd (user info) at 2004-08-08 00:56:14 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
I would have fired my warning shot bettween his eyes too.The world is now a better place for it.How come you yanks sue each other so much its sad that your justice system is set up like that.
Submitted by StonedSilly (user info) at 2004-08-08 00:49:17 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
I've been sprayed with pepper spray.
Even if you were able to resist the extreme pain forcing you to fall and flail around on the ground, you still wouldn't be able to see anything or breathe very well.
Therefore, you start swinging and everyone just backs up, or even better yet a cop pulls out his asp and smacks you a few times across the arm.
Submitted by downerSTAIN (user info) at 2004-08-08 00:46:44 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Spray - Pepper Spray can stop most people dead in their tracks
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Someone said in an interview for the show that in situations like this, pepper spray just aggravates the situation. I know if I had a knife in my hand and was sprayed with pepper spray, I would start fucking swinging.
Submitted by downerSTAIN (user info) at 2004-08-08 00:44:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by reggie <reggie.at.spaceagemedia.com> at 2004-08-08 00:43:30 (#)
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He could have shot him in the leg.
Police are trained to shoot for accuracy before they can join the force.
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As I said, there may have been better ways to handle it, but he had a split second to make a decision.
Submitted by StonedSilly (user info) at 2004-08-08 00:44:32 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Most cops, in that situation, would have used one of two other tools at their immediate disposal.
Asp - a telescoping steel rod that has a heavy steel ball at the end, used to hit the person with and leave welts.
Spray - Pepper Spray can stop most people dead in their tracks.
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Also, most police cruisers have a non-lethal gun. A beanbag shotgun. It leaves a welt and can break or fracture a bone.
The cop was in the wrong, no doubt about it. The family had no right to sue, though, as the officer did the first thing that came to mind.
Submitted by reggie <reggie.at.spaceagemedia.com> at 2004-08-08 00:43:30 EDT (#)
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He could have shot him in the leg.
Police are trained to shoot for accuracy before they can join the force.
Submitted by downerSTAIN (user info) at 2004-08-08 00:42:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Freight_Train (user info) at 2004-08-08 00:35:54 (#)
Ranking: -2
police need to be kept in hand asshole
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Don't even think about telling me you wouldn't have done the same thing. That is complete and utter bullshit.
Submitted by downerSTAIN (user info) at 2004-08-08 00:41:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Circe (user info) at 2004-08-08 00:36:54 (#)
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It interests me that you felt it was important to let us know that he was black.
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Well, that can play a big role in something like this, especially if it was a white cop. It wasn't, but it still could have played a huge role. If it had been a white cop and he shot him, he would have been in so much shit his relatives would stink.
Submitted by Circe (user info) at 2004-08-08 00:36:54 EDT (#)
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It interests me that you felt it was important to let us know that he was black.
Submitted by Freight_Train (user info) at 2004-08-08 00:35:54 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
police need to be kept in hand asshole
Submitted by KoolMang (user info) at 2004-08-08 00:35:33 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
His parents were niggers, so that explains it.
DAMN THE URBAN LEAGUE! DAMN JESSE JACKSON! DAMN AL SHARPTON!
Submitted by downerSTAIN (user info) at 2004-08-08 00:33:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2004-08-08 00:28:59 (#)
Ranking: 0
Is this the Denver incident?
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Might be, I was watching MSNBC and this was on some show, I got so pissed off I just remember the basic details.
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2004-08-08 00:28:59 EDT (#)
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Is this the Denver incident?