Assault Weapons for everyone!!! (1465 hits)
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Submitted by Kellio (View user info) at 2004-08-24 07:56:00 EDT
This September a ban on owning military style assault weapons in the USA will be lifted. Come September 13th (I'm pretty sure that's the date, I could be wrong.) Americans 18 years and over will be able to legally purchase fully automatic rifles, which no American has been legally able to do since the Assault Weapons Act made it illegal back in 1994 for a person to manufacture, transfer or possess fulliautomatic assault weapons, such as Uzis, AK-47s, or M-16s.
However it is not just the weapons that this law applied to, as certain gun modifications were also made illegal such as flash supressors, bayonet lugs and grenade launchers. That's right, grenade launchers! It will be fully legal come September 13th to equip your assault rifle with a grenade launcher. God I'm glad to be an Australian!
When this kind of news comes around, you have to ask why? If these guns are only intended to be used for hunting animals, then what's with the overkill? If you want to go hunting deer, then surely you don't need an M-16 with grenade launcher attachment to do it. In fact if you need these kinds of weapons to hunt deer, then you are obviously totally shit at hunting and should consider trying another sport, because god knows there is nothing sporting about attacking deer with a grenade launcher. If you're an avid hunter and not just some gun nut, then you should relish the challenge of hunting using just a single shot rifle.
Basically the only concievable use I can see for these grade of guns is for hunting other humans, not animals, and even then it would only be "sporting" if the hunted was also equiped with a similiar weapon. Essentially this means that by approving the lifting of this ban, congress is essentially permitting an increase in gun-related fatalities.
So unless congress wakes up to the world of pain that it will be subjecting its constituents to and renews the ban (yeah, right!), then we'll be seeing a repeat of events such as what happened at Columbine High School a few years back. But this time with new and improved guns! Assault Weapons for everyone!!!
Just to finish things off, here's a quote by Lenny from the Simpsons, justifying his ownership of an M-16:
Lenny: Assault weapons have gotten a lot of bad press lately, but they're
manufactured for a reason: to take out today's modern super animals,
such as the flying squirrel, and the electric eel.
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Submitted by Mike Steeves <Mike_steeves.at.hotmail.com> at 2004-09-15 12:28:35 EDT (#)
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This fellow should learn not to post from ignorance. He is clueless regarding the assault weapon ban and which firearms it addressed. I'm glad he is an Australian, too. He should stick to making wallaby stew.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2004-08-24 23:08:03 EDT (#)
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Yes, you can make a semi-auto into a full auto real easy.
And while I see no reason for UZI's and MAC-10s, tec-9s, etc... I would love to have a good ole' AR15 or M-4 with me when I hike the moutains out west. Animals can kill people and that concerns me a bit. (Rocks DO NOT scare these bastards away, either).
And I think one of the major reasons the ban is ending is that it has been a proven failure to curb gun violence. What does help stop gun violence? Throwing those who commit crimes with guns into jail for a long, long, long time. (This is actually proven to work as prison populations increase crime is decreasing almost at the same rate).
Tougher laws against those who commit crimes with guns are good for everyone. (And the NRA approves of that behavior). Who doesn't approve of this? I can't get into politics. I banned myself.
Oh, and I'd much rather have someone who used a gun in a crime in jail than someone who grew a couple Marijuana plants in their basement. But ... there is no give and take with these bastards in Washington.
Submitted by Kellio (user info) at 2004-08-24 21:07:33 EDT (#)
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Ok so I made a mistake. I said fully automatic when I should have said semi automatic. My bad. However changing a semi automatic rifle into a fully automatic rifle can be done pretty damn easily, depending on the weapon of course.
Submitted by Kellio (user info) at 2004-08-24 20:50:33 EDT (#)
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"Submitted by PersonMan (user info) at 2004-08-24 18:35:05 (#)
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....Fully automatic weapons and grenades are class III weapons - as long as you have a license you can buy them, assault weapons ban or no."
I never said that grenades were now being made legal, I said that grenade launchers are. The fact that you can already buy these weapons legally proves how out of touch the second amendment is.
Submitted by Auf-Der-Maur (user info) at 2004-08-24 18:52:08 EDT (#)
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"Rome remained free for four hundred years and Sparta for eight hundred" with an armed populace, while other countries who disarmed their citizens "lost their liberties in less than forty years." (The Art of War, 18)"
I wouldnt exactly call Sparta a hot-spot for freedoms and civil liberties.
Submitted by PersonMan (user info) at 2004-08-24 18:35:05 EDT (#)
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-2 for bad information.
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Title XI of the Federal Violent Crime Control Act of 1994 banned the manufacture and import of a certain class of guns defined by Congress as "Assault Weapons." These firearms were categorized as such by certain identifying features, namely cosmetic and ergonomic features that present a military-like appearance, but have absolutely no effect on lethality. The act also bans so-called "high capacity" magazines. The provisions of this Act are scheduled to expire automatically on September 13th, 2004.
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Fully automatic weapons and grenades are class III weapons - as long as you have a license you can buy them, assault weapons ban or no.
That's about all the time I feel like wasting right now.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2004-08-24 18:33:08 EDT (#)
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Monarch... I take it back. Well, half of it anyway. That's what happens when you answer on the fly, thinking about some annoying little Aussie prick telling us what to do. You are correct sir.* The militias, meaning to some, the common man, were armed to keep potential govt tyranny in check AND provide for a common defence from inside OR outside the country.
*How often do you see an 'oops I fucked up' on uber? This is a rare event.
Submitted by The_Nipper (user info) at 2004-08-24 18:31:04 EDT (#)
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cunt
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2004-08-24 18:19:08 EDT (#)
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Oops. Forgot to minus two your foreign ass.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2004-08-24 18:18:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Monarch (user info) at 2004-08-24 13:40:55 (#)
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Actually, there is a good reason to get rid of the Assault Weapons Act:
</rant on> Americans were originally given the right to bear arms due to the fact that without a populace capable of a full revolution, a democratic government is impossible. In a government that is supposed to be "for the people" it is important that those people have the ability to revolt, otherwise it is nothing more than a despotism. If the citizens CAN fight back then the government will continue to act in the citizens best interests. Any and all attempts to ban guns from the American populace are just shallow attempts to consolidate power into the central government. (Either that or they are tree-hugging un-American bastards. Your choice.) </rant off>
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Your take on the 2nd amendment is one of the stranger things I have read in the last year or so. Are you a member of one of those 'we have forty thousand pounds of toilet paper and tinned beans and ten weapons apiece in anticipation of the coming race war' militia types up in Idaho or Montana?
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." (Second Amendment to the Constitution.)
The main idea behind this amendment was to empower the people against outside forces (or internal, if those militia-types ever DO try to start a final race war). Back then the USA didn't have much of an army and the government knew it would need to depend on the people as well as the army if England or France or whoever tried to invade.
Now of course, that argument no longer applies. There is no longer an outside threat on American soil, so we really don't need all these high-powered...
Osama who?
Never mind.
Submitted by Freakmagnet (user info) at 2004-08-24 18:11:44 EDT (#)
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First off, people who abide by the law have their weapons and do nothing illegal with them. If you are a criminal and they outlaw the weapons then you aren't going to turn yours in anyway. This is why gun control is pointless. Also, if you are a criminal, are you going to break into a house that has a "We suport gun control" sign in there yard, or the one next door with an NRA sign in the yard.
Submitted by disAbled (user info) at 2004-08-24 17:49:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Kellio (View user info) at 2004-08-24 07:56:00
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This September a ban on owning military style assault weapons in the USA will be lifted. Come September 13th (I'm pretty sure that's the date, I could be wrong.) Americans 18 years and over will be able to legally purchase fully automatic rifles, which no American has been legally able to do since the Assault Weapons Act made it illegal back in 1994 for a person to manufacture, transfer or possess fulliautomatic assault weapons, such as Uzis, AK-47s, or M-16s.
However it is not just the weapons that this law applied to, as certain gun modifications were also made illegal such as flash supressors, bayonet lugs and grenade launchers. That's right, grenade launchers! It will be fully legal come September 13th to equip your assault rifle with a grenade launcher. God I'm glad to be an Australian!
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This is the most ignorant post I have ever read.
1. Fully automatic rifles will not be available for sale to the general public. They were not available before the ban. Assault Rifle is defined as a compact, semi-automatic, high capacity, medium caliber rifle with a pistol grip.
2. Possession of Assault Rifles was not banned. Distribution was.
3. I am not sure about the legality of a 'grenade launcher' attachment. However, it will remain impossible to purchase explosive rounds for said attachment.
Your whole post is ignorant. It isn't really worth commenting on. Let me pose you a quick question. If it is legal for me to purchase an SKS battle rifle and an aftermarket 100 round drum magazine, why should it be illegal to puchase an AK-47 with a 10 round magazine. Both firearms fire a 7.62x39mm shell.
Furthermore, there are many weapons for legal sale in the US which are deadlier than an Assault weapon under certain situations. Automatic shotguns, .50 caliber sniper rifles, snub-nose high caliber revolvers, pocket or palm sized small caliber automatic pistols; all of these are legal. Consider this. Most police departments are equipped with 9 mm pistols. Any citizen of 21 years with a clean record can purchase a .50 cal Desert Eagle action express. In most states the citizen can conceal it on his person. Furthermore, the vast, vast majority of deaths caused by firearms are caused by pistols. Gun violence did not decrease significantly during the assualt weaons ban. My question, then, is, what is the purpose of the ban. Also, why do you even feel the need to put your ignorant, short-sighted nose into an issue that does not affect your country at all?
Submitted by vajokki (user info) at 2004-08-24 17:10:51 EDT (#)
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I don't like the sound of this.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2004-08-24 16:59:02 EDT (#)
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Americans were originally given the right to bear arms due to the fact that without a populace capable of a full revolution, a democratic government is impossible. In a government that is supposed to be "for the people" it is important that those people have the ability to revolt, otherwise it is nothing more than a despotism. If the citizens CAN fight back then the government will continue to act in the citizens best interests.
Any and all attempts to ban guns from the American populace are just shallow attempts to consolidate power into the central government. (Either that or they are tree-hugging un-American bastards. Your choice.)
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I see merit in both sides of the argument, but this is a very valid point. I don't want a police state. I don't want some George Bush coming into my home years from now telling me what to do without having the means to fight back. Also, as unlikely as it is that America would come under a full scale invasion, (being landlocked), I would rather be prepared to defend my home than not.
Plus, I want to see a deer blown up with a grenade.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2004-08-24 16:05:05 EDT (#)
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Handguns kill more people than assault weapons do. The ratio is insane... but why did they outlaw assault weapons?
It's called "people crying" about it. The people see someone with an assault weapon shoot down a few people at columbine or some other school and there is a knee-jerk reaction. What can we do to placate these people? Oh! We pass a law banning the sale of assault weapons. Now, this is ignorant to the fact that both shotguns and handguns kill more people in a year than assault weapons do but it makes the normal idiot of America happy.
The fact is, I will buy a civilian version of the M-4 without question if this ban is lifted. I can't wait.
I stole this from a website:
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Assault weapons were used to kill one out of five law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty from 1998 through 2001, according to FBI data.
Assault weapons have been used in some of the most notorious mass shootings since the ban was enacted in 1994, including: the 1997 shooting at the Caltrans Maintenance Yard in Orange, California, where four were killed and two were wounded (AK-47 assault rifle), the Columbine High School massacre in 1999 that left 13 dead and 23 wounded (TEC-DC9 assault pistol and Hi-Point Carbine), the 2000 shooting at the Edgewater Technology office in Wakefield, Massachusetts, that left seven dead (AK-47 assault rifle) and, the 2001 shooting at Navistar International Corporation that took four lives and wounded four (SKS assault rifle)."
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This site is for extending the ban on these weapons. But if "1 out of 5 law enforcement officers" are killed by assault weapons...then ask yourself, what causes the other 4 deaths that makes those weapons any safer?
Submitted by Timmah (user info) at 2004-08-24 16:00:07 EDT (#)
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I always thought an uzi was a sub machine gun or machine pistol not an assault rifle.
Submitted by LadyPlural (user info) at 2004-08-24 15:48:09 EDT (#)
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I'm almost tempted to get ahold of some assault rifles and go chlorinate the gene pool, Columbine-style. All of this would be for the sole purpose of pointing out to Congress why assault weapons are a bad idea.
Note: I AM SO KIDDING! Please do not surveil me, oh FBI, NSA, or anyone else. PLEASE! I promise never to even contemplate the possibility of thinking about such an action ever again. *whimpers*
Submitted by youarsoghey (user info) at 2004-08-24 15:45:18 EDT (#)
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Great Lenny quote.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-08-24 15:37:59 EDT (#)
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i'm getting a fully automatic M4 with an M203 40mm grenade launcher mounted. if you break into my house, i will take you out Scarface style.
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2004-08-24 15:37:44 EDT (#)
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hahahaha
+2 for smart and funny
-1 beacause lenny is right about the super animals.
THE SUPER ANIMALS ARE COMING!!
Submitted by Vermin (user info) at 2004-08-24 15:29:24 EDT (#)
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Of course Assault weapons are for hunting people you nincompoop. It's a great past time. Don't tell me you have something against hunting people do you? You sicken me you fucking bleeding heart liberal.
Submitted by Monarch (user info) at 2004-08-24 13:40:55 EDT (#)
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Actually, there is a good reason to get rid of the Assault Weapons Act:
</rant on>
Americans were originally given the right to bear arms due to the fact that without a populace capable of a full revolution, a democratic government is impossible. In a government that is supposed to be "for the people" it is important that those people have the ability to revolt, otherwise it is nothing more than a despotism. If the citizens CAN fight back then the government will continue to act in the citizens best interests.
Any and all attempts to ban guns from the American populace are just shallow attempts to consolidate power into the central government. (Either that or they are tree-hugging un-American bastards. Your choice.)
</rant off>
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-08-24 10:04:10 EDT (#)
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The CDC did a study during that spanned from the beginning of the assault weapons "ban" to the present. Their conclusion - there was NO reduction in gun violence during that period. Somehow, I'm not worried. And I intend to buy a nice M-4 when I get the chance.
Submitted by Kellio (user info) at 2004-08-24 08:52:34 EDT (#)
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"Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2004-08-24 08:46:42 (#)
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Fully automatic weapons are still illegal in all 50 states, and will be after the ban expires. The ban was for weapons that had an appearance of military type weapons."
While the ban will be lifted on semiautomatic weapons, fact is that the AK-47 etc... are fulli-automatic rifles with a modification. It wouldn't take much to change these semis back to fullis.
"None of the weapons used at Colubine were fully automatic"
I know that. This is why I made the "new and improved" comment.
Submitted by SAECULUM.AUREUM (user info) at 2004-08-24 08:47:17 EDT (#)
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GodChicken --- Gotta love a Machiavelli reference
Mao Tse Tung, the communist revelutionary in China, was quoted as saying: "all political power comes out of the barrel of a gun". After having said this, the first thing his regime did as they came to power was to make all fire arms illegal. I think there is a reality here that should be appreciated...in at least as a symbolic gesture.
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2004-08-24 08:46:42 EDT (#)
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Fully automatic weapons are still illegal in all 50 states, and will be after the ban expires. The ban was for weapons that had an appearance of military type weapons.
In most states, big game hunting cannot be done with an M-16, as the caliber is not large enough. They can be used for varmint hunting (coyotes).
None of the weapons used at Colubine were fully automatic. If they had no firearms, they were still well evrsed in homemade bombs (Fortunately most failed). But given the obstacle of no available firearms, more bombs woul dhave been better prepared and probably a bigger loss of life would have occured
Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2004-08-24 08:44:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by retarded_ape123 (user info) at 2004-08-24 08:42:14 (#)
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mm guns..
now i can play matrix for real and pack all kinds of guns in my pockets
*imagines shooting people with m16*
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People like this are why the background checks should be far more extensive. I'll agree with that.
Submitted by dickhead (user info) at 2004-08-24 08:43:34 EDT (#)
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Fucking right! The more guns those dumb fuckers have the more they are likely to use them and the more they use them the less Americans there are in the world!
Submitted by retarded_ape123 (user info) at 2004-08-24 08:42:14 EDT (#)
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mm guns..
now i can play matrix for real and pack all kinds of guns in my pockets
*imagines shooting people with m16*
Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2004-08-24 08:29:45 EDT (#)
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Machiavelli notes that:
"Rome remained free for four hundred years and Sparta for eight hundred" with an armed populace, while other countries who disarmed their citizens "lost their liberties in less than forty years." (The Art of War, 18)
There are so many arguements for and against. Shooting and training in the use of arms is not just a sport, but many would relegate it to such a pasttime.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2004-08-24 08:04:53 EDT (#)
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Kellio, you manage to take an utterly boring topic, and make it absolutely abominable.
Submitted by Krautski (user info) at 2004-08-24 08:01:17 EDT (#)
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I haf 3 mashine gun in mein bedsleep!