What the Fuck is Wrong with Chechnya? (905 hits)
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Submitted by G $ <gramcracker888.at.hotmail.com> (View user info) at 2004-09-09 23:04:31 EDT
What the Fuck is Wrong with Chechnya?
As most intelligent people in the world now know, the hostage situation in Russia ended in complete disaster. Over 320 people were killed and more than half of them were children. How the fuck can anyone justify something like this? What did those kids every do to Chechnya? Who even care about Chechnya? What do these terrorists think this will accomplish? That everyone will feel sorry for them or something and they will get their independence?
True Story:
A mother took her two childen to school that fateful morning. After the initial attack, the terrorists let a number of people go, and she was one of them. She was told that she could only take one of her children with her. She said she couldn't choose, so they told that all three of them could stay and die then. She chose to take her youngest son. A few days later, she found her other son. He was in a body bag.
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Submitted by whiskey_jack (user info) at 2004-09-10 14:46:32 EDT (#)
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more detail next time, and lets see some prrof or evidence, you drunken slob
Submitted by Endo_Fire (user info) at 2004-09-10 09:30:35 EDT (#)
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Do your research . . . the Russians are trying to mass murder the entire nation. The Chechens are more than valid in their reasoning. You obviously are taking the spin from the media or something . . .
If you are going to write something, then be informed. Try harder next time . . .
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2004-09-10 08:00:41 EDT (#)
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Yidele is so great. Killing children is horrible, but killing muslims (or for that matter sektor) is permissible. Keep marching to the beat of the American propaganda machine, dumbass.
As for the rest of this... meh... in some countries, terrorism and war are ways of life, and most of the shit in their neck of the woods never even makes the mainstream news. Do you think that Russia's 320 dead, or America's 3,000 dead would even phase them? They sit their, doing their best to live their lives as their friends and family are slaughtered... yet when a SUPERpower like America or Russia, god forbid, is hit, the world leaders expect the entire world to drop anything they were doing and join them in their righteous crusade on terrorism... like killing MORE people and even setting up puppet governments is going to prevent terrorism.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2004-09-10 08:00:40 EDT (#)
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Yidele is so great. Killing children is horrible, but killing muslims (or for that matter sektor) is permissible. Keep marching to the beat of the American propaganda machine, dumbass.
As for the rest of this... meh... in some countries, terrorism and war are ways of life, and most of the shit in their neck of the woods never even makes the mainstream news. Do you think that Russia's 320 dead, or America's 3,000 dead would even phase them? They sit their, doing their best to live their lives as their friends and family are slaughtered... yet when a SUPERpower like America or Russia, god forbid, is hit, the world leaders expect the entire world to drop anything they were doing and join them in their righteous crusade on terrorism... like killing MORE people and even setting up puppet governments is going to prevent terrorism.
Submitted by tuesdaydelay (user info) at 2004-09-10 05:33:25 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/44509
Submitted by LexLutherin (user info) at 2004-09-10 05:20:01 EDT (#)
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Yeah, Russian have been regularly doing similarly horrible things to the Chechyians en masse for some time now. What the Chechyian did is horribly wrong, but Russia is just as bad. Probably worse just cause they did it first. Face it, if someone came into your house and raped and murded your entire family in front of you you would go insane. Unfortunately a bunch of the insane Chechyians decided to take matters into their own hands and succumb to lunacy.
Submitted by Jo_of_the_golden_P (user info) at 2004-09-10 05:14:23 EDT (#)
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and +2 for provoking thoughtful conversation
Submitted by Jo_of_the_golden_P (user info) at 2004-09-10 05:12:17 EDT (#)
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I empathize with your outrage. I really do.
Submitted by funk_boy (user info) at 2004-09-10 05:09:53 EDT (#)
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What the Fuck is Wrong with Chechnya?
1/3 of the population are now refugees, thanks to the Russians.
They're being murdered, by the Russians.
I can't be arsed to research it (I'm sure you'll understand), but that much i do know.
Submitted by Disektor (user info) at 2004-09-10 02:44:42 EDT (#)
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Apologizing? No, I was merely reiterating what you were too stupid to see when I first posted.
Now if you would be so kind to shine my shoes, I'd appreciate it. Actually, forget that, you aren't worthy of such a privilege.
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2004-09-10 02:39:42 EDT (#)
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Die, sector: don't apologize to me, you lackwit. The chechens have no excuse, Grozny et.al. is no excuse for this act. Suck it up, you worthless turd
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2004-09-10 02:32:32 EDT (#)
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USA policy on this issue is complete shit as well. They can go and bomb Afghanistan, Iraq, etc... But they complain about Russia's handling of the issue and have even granted political asylum to some of the clowns of Chechnya. Fuck that noise.
A large double standard exists...
Submitted by Disektor (user info) at 2004-09-10 02:31:45 EDT (#)
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I never said it was right, I'm just saying that when you kill 30,000 of their people you sure as hell should be expecting retaliations.
What they did wasn't smart, no. There is no better way to piss a country off then by killing women in children the way they did. I'm really not sure what they thought to accomplish by doing it.
This is just like what happened during 9/11, people will be more than willing to lose some personal freedoms and allow the government to spend billions of dollars on weapons and whatever else is needed to prepare for war because of what happened.
Also, I never implied that Jewish people did take school children hostage, I was merely using the Holocaust as an example of the fact that you can't just go in to a place and start killing people without some sort of eventual retaliation.
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2004-09-10 02:25:26 EDT (#)
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Oh, and die, sector: since you were kind enough to allude to the holocaust, let me be the first to reassure you that despite the millions of dead jewish children starved/worked/gassed to death, no jew has ever taken German schoolchildren hostage - even during the ghetto uprisings.
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2004-09-10 02:20:47 EDT (#)
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Die, sector: The terrorists purposely took school children hostage, refused negotiations, blew some of them up inside the school gymnasium and mowed them down from behind as the kids fled naked. That image will never leave my mind; ther can be no excuse for that kind of crime and IMO it will lead to further chechen deaths because the ethnic russians are not a forgiving people.
As long as chechens/arabs were blowing up soldiers, the average russian could dissociate himself from what happened. When they started to kill civilians en masse ( in the Nord-ost, apartment bombings, metro and now in a Bieslan school on opening day), they struck not at the government, which has been opressing them, but at innocent civillians not connected to their plight.
This will necessarily mean that chechen refugees living all over russia and estern/central europe will take it up the ass, even though some of them are also innocent. The russians won't be gentle & they may resort to doing what stalin did, although I think that Putin will just use this to as justification for consolidating his power and funding his military.
Submitted by Vanilla (user info) at 2004-09-10 02:10:40 EDT (#)
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I was wondering how long it would take for someone to bring this up. The thing is, it's really hard to put the blame on people who werent involved, but in truth, a lot of people, and countries and reaosns could be pinned on what happened. Bottom line... 10 of the terrorists were arabs. What does that tell you?
Submitted by Disektor (user info) at 2004-09-10 02:05:11 EDT (#)
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Yea, you are right Yidull.
I would never retaliate against someone if they killed members of my family. Hell, if I happened to be one of the Jewish people back during the time of Nazi Germany, I'd have just stood by and let them slaughter everyone I cared about. Revenge would have never crossed my mind!
Those crazy Czechyans! What were they thinking? They should have killed 30,000 Russians instead. Yea, sure women and children would have been in the mix, but it would have been much more honorable then killing the 300 they did!
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2004-09-10 02:01:52 EDT (#)
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and for those still unclear on the concept, i suggest the lecture of http://answering-islam.org.uk/Terrorism/agenda.html
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2004-09-10 01:49:46 EDT (#)
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Mang: actually, they are the very definition of caucasian. They live in the foothils of the caucassus mountains, although because of their slightly darker hue, they are called "cziornye ziopy" by russians ( cziornya ziopa = black arse).
Pooz: It was inevitable that some cum drunk fairy was going to bring the jew in me into a discussion that has to date had no jewish references. Yeas, Pooz, its the jew in me that opposes Islamic murderers,and its also the jew in me who knows that the doctrine of abrogation, which declares that subsequent verses in the quoran abrogate earlier ones, and its the Jew in me which made me read the koran, and the jew in me which can quote you chapter and verse from it. to wit:
9:5 "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."
for more clarification of the same, see http://answering-islam.org.uk/Index/S/sword_verse.html
Submitted by Pooz (user info) at 2004-09-10 01:12:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2004-09-10 00:51:17 (#)
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Islam is not a religion of peace which "some assholes misinterpret". Islam is a religion which mandates world conquest and makes Jihad, the struggle against all things non-muslim MANDATORY.
I don't understand how you come off so intelligent usually, then you say something like this. Guess the Jew in you has to come out somewhere.
Submitted by KoolMang (user info) at 2004-09-10 01:04:50 EDT (#)
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I'm not saying I like sand niggers, realize that.
In Chechnya, are they sand niggers? Or snow niggers?
Submitted by KoolMang (user info) at 2004-09-10 01:04:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2004-09-10 00:51:17 (#)
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Islam is not a religion of peace which "some assholes misinterpret". Islam is a religion which mandates world conquest and makes Jihad, the struggle against all things non-muslim MANDATORY.
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I suppose so, I'll take your word for it. I haven't ever read the Qur'an, but I'm pretty sure that it IS possible for a true Muslim to exist and worship without imposing his values onto others. If that wasn't the case, then how come the entire Muslim world isn't attacking us? BLASPHEMERS!
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2004-09-10 00:51:17 EDT (#)
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Islam is not a religion of peace which "some assholes misinterpret". Islam is a religion which mandates world conquest and makes Jihad, the struggle against all things non-muslim MANDATORY.
Submitted by KoolMang (user info) at 2004-09-10 00:42:21 EDT (#)
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There is a difference between Buddhism and Islam. The Tibetans have always followed a peaceful worship of Buddha. No extremists, what's the point? The most they could ever have is a country of their own, which was taken by China, and they use non-violent protest STILL!
Islam, on the other hand, attracts the assholes. It, to true definition, is peaceful. However, some assholes misinterpret it, and blow shit up. They start to whip people. They torture them. They murder them. They rape goats. Is this a good religion? Discrimination against a religion based on whether half the population enforces it violently IS a good defense against these sand niggers!
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2004-09-10 00:39:54 EDT (#)
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hey, if that works maybe i could just get Chase Manhattan to free their money under my glorious leadership? I mean, they have enough monye anyway and if it stops me murdering innocent people isn't it worth it?
Submitted by vajokki (user info) at 2004-09-10 00:35:40 EDT (#)
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Just free fucking Chechnya and get it over with. Let them have their own Islamic country. Russia has enough land and people..psh it can give up a little bit. Maybe it would stop the terrorism?
(I'm not too much involved in the Chechnya issue so I don't know anything but the skin)
and while those bastards are at it, free fucking Tibet already.
Submitted by KoolMang (user info) at 2004-09-10 00:29:44 EDT (#)
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It's been a couple of years since I read this book, I highly recommend that people buy it, it's quite intelligent.
Boris Yeltsin: Midnight Diaries.
Submitted by KoolMang (user info) at 2004-09-10 00:27:39 EDT (#)
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For the Islam references, page 341:
"The rebels challenge not only Russia but all of humankind. Or at least all of Europe. And no one should be distracted by the green Islamic flags of the terrorists or their quotations from the Qur'an or the white garments of the Wahhabi teaching. They have no teaching, no flag, no right to quote from sacred books. They are monsters. They have thrown civilization back at least several hundred years. Even people in the farthest corners of Russia fear being kidnapped. The brutal Chechen slave trade has entered mass consciousness as a real threat."
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2004-09-10 00:23:17 EDT (#)
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*I* did not bring islam into this. The chechen mullahs did that. The war in chechnya ( and ingushetia, dagestan, osetia to a lesser extent) is all about the conflict between an unreligious state ( russia) and religious extremists whose logistic support and much of the manpower is provided by arab mercenaries. The Chechen insurgents are not fighting for freedom as you or I understand it, but for a right o make chechenya ( and most of the trans-caucassus a wahabbi religious islamic theocracy ruled by sharia law. This by definition means :
1) the legalization of slavery ( something that is an every day reality in the trans-caucassus states
2) denial of basic human rights for anyone not male and muslim
which makes calling chechens "freedom fighters" about as accurate as calling russia a democratic country ruled by an elected government.
Submitted by KoolMang (user info) at 2004-09-10 00:20:34 EDT (#)
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I happen to own Boris Yeltsin's book "Midnight Diaries", and it is one of my favorites, he speaks from the heart, and he was one of the most unique and influential political figures of our time. Here's what he had to say on the 2nd Chechen War (pg. 340):
"When I hear about the 'war crimes' of the Russian army, I would like to ask about other 'war crimes.' Isn't it a 'war crime' that the bandits' main source of subsistence is the income from ransoms and the sale of people into slavery? In Chechnya there are at least 2,000 slave hostages. The number is constantly growing, and not just because of the increase in Russian military personnel (though some would very much like to represent the matter in this way). Foreigners have also been taken hostage. For example, two British citizens from a humanitarian mission, a man and a woman, were subjected to torture and rape for several months until a ransom was received for them. The hostage takers also demanded ransom from the British telecommunications company that was installing satellite connections for Maskhadov and other rebel leaders.
Even tiny children have been abducted into Chechnya. An Israeli boy, Adi Sharon, was kidnapped in the center of Moscow, right around the time of the two apartment explosions. The kidnappers, among them several Chechens and Russians, took Adi to Penza, a city southeast of Moscow. They demanded ransom. They tortured him and cut off his fingers. What did they have against this young Israeli?
This mind-boggling terrorism has become a mass phenomenon."
Submitted by euripidestrousers (user info) at 2004-09-10 00:08:39 EDT (#)
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I keep seeing this popping up all over the web, and I agree with the previous respondents. I haven't seen any wailing or hand-wringing re: Darfur; has the CNN coverage been lacking thereabouts?
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2004-09-09 23:53:21 EDT (#)
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Not sure why you had to bring Islam into this Yidele. I do agree with the poster though, but Russia has killed thousands of Cyszionaelfians or however you spell it. This was not the way to go about it though. This will just wipe out any sympathy they had in the first place.
Submitted by yidele (user info) at 2004-09-09 23:42:37 EDT (#)
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Amazing how ignorant some people can be. Especially trolls like DieSector, who seems to excuse the hostage taking and murder of school children.
To put things in a sort of perspective, chechenya is the first among soviet territories to declare sharia law, which together with attempted brakeaway precipitated the russian offensive. There is no room in europe for these people and frankly, the Bieslan hostage taking isn't the first incidence of terror ( these nice folks took a whole hospital hostage some while ago). As stated earlier, any vestige of sympathy I may have had for chechens as people is unfortunately gone & I do not doubt but that the russian army will do what has to be done to eliminate scum like Shamil Basayev, if the supposedly "peace loving" inhabitants of trans-caucassus cannot.
Poland has been one of the countries which accepts chechen refugees and you can be sure that I will ALWAYS vote against any initiative helping or supporting the cause of these murdering Islamic swine for the simple reason that chechenya, the illegitimate bastard of wahabbi islam, has stooped to murdering children and bargaining with their lives for imprisoned murderers in a clear bid to start a regional war. Fuck'em. Fuck'em with a steam shovel.
Submitted by youarsoghey (user info) at 2004-09-09 23:33:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Disektor (user info) at 2004-09-09 23:19:43 EDT (#)
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Yea, it's horrible what happened. But that news report didn't mention how Russia slaughted 30,000+ citizens from Czechnya. Go figure.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2004-09-09 23:10:55 EDT (#)
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first, you don't have to be the most intelligent people in the world to read the news.
second, here's a picture of Grozny (the Chechenya's capital) http://www.rnw.nl/ranesi/assets/images/grozny.jpg Make a Google Image search on Grozny, the whole city is pretty much like that.
That pretty much explains why some chechens have turned into murdering bastards. And these recent events will pretty much turn more russians into murdering bastards. And so on.