To The Participants Of “RapeMadness”: A Retort. To The Few Of You Who Remain Decent And Remember The Love Of The Craft: A Plea. (3652 hits)
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Submitted by TaK (View user info) at 2004-10-11 08:24:35 EDT
If you don't know what I'm talking about in the title, go here: http://www.ubersite.com/m/47913
But be prepared to be sickened and/or delighted depending on which side of the Force you lean to.
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To The Participants Of "RapeMadness":
Come on now Über, this is just too fucking much. And yes, this is an Über post about Über, although it's really about much more.
Apparently, you sad, sick, childish motherfuckers thought it'd be funny to start something you dubbed Rape Post Sunday or RapeMadness. Yes, I know, Degreeless and Spiral started it with a blank double post entitled "rape", and though they may not have known what kind of a mess it would make, the fact that you two thought it would be humorous or "cool" to do only that says a lot about the current state of Übersite and humanity in general.
The really depressing thing is how many of you jumped on this dumbass bandwagon and posted in turn, using titles that rhyme with rape or just more posts with nothing in them entitled "Rape".
How the lot of you can be so heartless and flippant about such a brutal, disgusting, humiliating, life-hindering crime is, sad to say, not beyond me however. I understand exactly why you all participated in this thing. You come on this website and you know you're anonymous, you know you can do and say anything you want and no one can physically harm you.
You also have become so desensitized to violence and all things "dark" that you are incapable or just plain not interested in understanding or caring about the pain and life long trauma that this type of act can cause. To you, it's a word to rhyme, an act of senseless evil that has nothing to do with you personally and therefore can be made light of because you are too dimwitted and cold to know just how heavy it really is. To you it's funny how mentioning the word rape in a light manner can cause so much response.
Even what I'm saying right now is bouncing off of you. You will hit "Rate this item", you will "-2 die" me, and you will move on, back into your world where the word rape means nothing, where you can just walk away from your computer and still sleep well at night even though you know you've been irrationally cruel and glib about a subject no real man should be able to laugh or smile about.
There's so many of you here now that I can't fucking breath.
Yes, I know, if I don't like it then go away, "it's just a website", "this is what they want, to know that they've gotten to you", I know, I know, I KNOW! But I'm willing to lose a little (hell, a lot) in this battle, I'm willing to give you cold-bloods a little of what you want if it means there's even the slightest chance that some of this will get through to you and a little bit of your humanity will realize just how callous and dark you've been.
Is it really that important to you? Are you really so interested in hits and climbing that fabled "List to the Left" and riling people up that you'd use rape as a vehicle? What comes next? Is nothing sacred?
At this point I would usually tell you all to fuck yourselves, every one of you that participated in this stupid shit. I'd usually make up some creative way to tell you to go die, or insult your family or your name. But I'm not going to do that this time. I'm too tired.
All I will do is ask you to think about what you do a little more, think about how the flap of a butterfly's wings in Ohio can cause an earthquake in China and all that jazz, think of the people you may be touching, may be harming, when you have no idea you've done more than type some words on a screen.
I would also like to wish you all long and interesting lives.
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To Those Of You Who Remain Decent And Remember The Love Of The Craft:
Jesus Christ Über where did we go wrong? Was it B@W? Was it the reviews on CNN or wherever it was? Was it the Gellieman thing?
Do you remember the Uberia series? Do you remember how potent those stories seemed at the time? How they outlined exactly what was happening; the way the shitposters were taking over Uberia and we with the light of the post trying to drive them back, trying to maintain control of the land we thought beautiful?
Do you remember the beauty of the Word?
OF COURSE YOU DO. How could you forget the elegance of the written word? For those of us that make love to the English language we would sooner forget the face of our first love than lose the image of the light of the Craft.
It is like a glimpse of something greater, something bigger and holier than us, burned into our retinas. When you get that sentence right, when you put those words together and they fit like lovers spooning, when they make someone smile or laugh out loud or tear up, do you not shiver? Is the Word not capable of affirming your very existence?
I have heard it all before: "Every good writer that leaves is another win for them", "Stay and cover the shit with good writing". But friends and enemies, this has not worked! Good writing is all but slathered in the shit these fuckers spray here! And there's more and more of them every day. I don't know if it's multiple accounts, or if they're inviting their friends, or if the world is just chock full of dispassionate fools, or a little bit of each of these things, but I do know that staying here and feeding more beauty to the nasties has done nothing to solve the problem, and at this rate never will! The bridge has been breached, we are being overrun.
So here is my plea to those of you who would hear and care:
Leave.
Let's all leave. If there's none of us left for the bastards to bother and detract from then what use will they have of the site? Ignoring them has not worked, trying to override them has not worked and you know why?!? Because WE DON'T GET TO THEM THE WAY THEY GET TO US! You can't fight the devil with a hug! But if you don't get within his range he can't touch you! IF WE AREN'T HERE FOR THEM TO BOTHER, THIS SITE WILL BE USELESS TO THEM. It will eventually be just a big site full of dumbasses posting shit that gets on no ones nerves because there'd be no one here with any dignity, decency, or love for the Craft! They need us to be here so that they can get on our nerves, they feed on our agitation.
But then, of course, we lose as well. So, better yet, the few of you who have a lip to Bart's ear, suggest a new site. Kill this Übersite off and erect a new one. With sign up security. Elect admins or something. Not to peruse and police the site, Über wouldn't be Über if it were a police state, but just to make sure none of THEM get in!
Or am I wrong about this whole thing? Is this what you all wanted? To have the site overrun with idiots who couldn't care less about writing? I thought this was a writing site but maybe I was mistaken.
If aisle 13 were still up I'd just go there, but it's not, and pulsehead isn't for me either. I want somewhere where I can write and read and fraternize over the internet without having to scroll through 50 posts about rape and racism and tubgirl and har har har's.
I WANT ÜBERSITE BACK!
DON'T YOU?
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If you'd like to contact me outside of Übersite, for whatever reason, my email is:
theraininspainfallsmainlyontheplane.at.hotmail.com
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User Reviews
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-12-08 11:53:55 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Wow, you are one whiny obsessive little prima donna.
Submitted by Creepy_guy (user info) at 2005-10-09 21:11:19 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
I still don't see what's so funny about RapeMadness. Honestly, what's the fucking point?
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2005-10-09 20:47:20 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
was it coincidence that rape maddness happened at the same time of year?
Submitted by ryan5012 (user info) at 2005-10-09 20:18:59 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Rape
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2005-10-09 20:14:31 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Bitch whine and moan to some faceless, nameless people.
Go do something meaningful with your life.
Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2005-10-09 19:52:02 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Se necesita mas de la violacion sexual.
Submitted by rmuser (user info) at 2004-10-16 17:56:32 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Chill the fuck out.
Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-10-16 11:26:43 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
Have to concur, all that rape madness stuff IS a little bit tasteless. I have to agree with prof. Fuckface that some girls have a slimmer chance of getting raped than others. Extremely ugly girls for one...but that isn't really saying anything, after all, you can't (and shouldn't) make yourself ugly to avoid getting raped...well, and the boyfriend-thing...No, you cannot tell if somebody is a rapist by the look of his face. To conclude, somebody tried to rape my cousin last year. Emphasis is on TRIED. Big mistake. Being a member of the USMC she is naturally quite strong and athletic. On top of that, she is an avid kickboxer. She literally kicked the shit out of that guy and had the nerve to laugh about the whole experience afterwards...My cousin is badass. My point here: sronger girls, girls who know self defense/martial arts, etc. have a slimmer chance of getting raped, too.
Submitted by ohlookasquirrel (user info) at 2004-10-15 19:49:12 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
I missed this.
I already left, technically, long time ago. It's hard to get any attention here for anything remotely serious nowadays.
Submitted by lojope (user info) at 2004-10-15 19:17:55 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
http://www.ubersite.com/m/48582
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2004-10-15 15:16:06 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Hey, I'm sick of Lojope and her dreary life and posts too, but this professorfuckface just may be the most ignorant asshole on Planet Earth.
Almost everything he said in his last 6 responses was...
1) 100% wrong
b) Funny, in a sad, pathetic kind of way.
Because it appears that he believes what he said.
How sad.
The way he talks, it's more likely that HE lives in a fucking trailer park.
Submitted by FartSmeller (user info) at 2004-10-15 14:57:59 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Tak, Ubersite is what it is what it is. Your opinion that rape is no joking matter is completely valid, and I won't trivialize it. But, changing Ubersite to disinclude people who would make those jokes would destroy the very purpose of the site. By the way, is your login name after the character in Desperation?
Bart, I like the idea that you are going to make a "yet to be unnamed" block above the original submission block for "special people" to give submissions a "special rating". Way to whore your site. Just can the whole thing, forget about charging people to put their two cents in, and make this a pay site, eh?
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2004-10-15 14:40:50 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by lojope (user info) at 2004-10-14 11:23:29 (#)
Ranking: 2
Bottom line:
There is no way ANYONE can say it can't happen to them.
Submitted by lojope (user info) at 2004-10-15 14:29:38 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Oh please, I wasn't raped by my boyfriend, Professor, so your argument holds no water at all. No matter, later tonight I will see if you can put your money where your mouth is.
Submitted by JohnGalt (user info) at 2004-10-15 13:14:27 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Oh, poor Slypher. I'm sorry for joining in without your permission. I didn't realize that without a 90-1 numbers advantage you assholes couldn't manage an argument.
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2004-10-15 12:37:47 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Lojope, you are the kind of bitch who brings their scuzzy whitetrash boyfriend around to show your friends and family, and you keep telling them how kind and loving he is on the inside, and they are all thinking: "he is a scuzzbag and probably a rapist, what is lojope THINKING?". You are an idiot, and your stupidity is only giving rape victims a bad name.
Submitted by lojope (user info) at 2004-10-15 07:52:31 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
"but if you were to pick up a bunch of mug shots of rapists and mix them up with mug shots of white collar criminals (tax fraud, embezzlement etc.) and ask me to say which are the rapists, I would be able to."
No, you wouldn't. And thinking like that actually puts people more at risk. "Oh, I don't have to be cautious about this guy, he doesn't LOOK like a rapist..." I truly hope the women you know are more educated than you are.
Submitted by Katastrofadark (user info) at 2004-10-15 02:30:32 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
I fully agree with you coyote and you lojope.
Submitted by Coyote (user info) at 2004-10-15 00:55:08 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
There've been too many comments on this post for me to imagine that I could add anything new at this point. Let the rating stand as its own comment.
Plus, you know, speaking as someone who's been booed out of a movie theater showing "Apocalypse Now" for laughing out loud when the crew of the PBR opens fire on the little Vietnamese family when the little girl runs to get her dog... the rape stuff simply wasn't funny. In the arguments over decency and freedom of speech, never forget the central issue, that those posts were retarded.
Submitted by Slypher (user info) at 2004-10-15 00:27:46 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Fucking JohnGalt. Screw you and your little fucking fan club, lojope. Not looking for sympathy? I'm not talking about this post SPECIFICALLY, assface. I was talking about countless other posts that she's written. But seriously, John Galt, if lojope wans to defend herself, please let her do it alone.
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2004-10-14 23:14:58 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
I am replying all these times in response to this:
"Your mother, your sister, your girlfriend, your wife, your daughter, your friend. Statistically, (though I truly hope you beat the odds) it will happen to one of them someday."
I am absolutely SURE it won't happen to any of the above people. While you can throw around all the statistics and bring up all the theoretical bullshit that some dyke bitch rape councillor told you about how everyone has an equal chance of getting raped, in actual practise I know it is very unlikely to occur to someone I know. Why? Because the people I know don't: go to nightclubs at night, alone, dressed like a slut. Aren't stupid enough to walk at night or in isolated areas alone. Go out with shady boyfriends.
You may think that every man has the potential to become a rapist, but if you were to pick up a bunch of mug shots of rapists and mix them up with mug shots of white collar criminals (tax fraud, embezzlement etc.) and ask me to say which are the rapists, I would be able to. Most rapists can be spotted a mile away, they are the scuzzy fuckers with sleazy eyes and whitetrash facial hair. I see girls going out with them all the time. Bad decisions increase your chances of being raped ten fold, just like bad decisions increase your chances of falling victim to any crime.
Submitted by DanielH (user info) at 2004-10-14 22:57:33 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
"Who is John Galt?" I don't know, but I do know he rules.
Submitted by Just_Joshin (user info) at 2004-10-14 22:48:41 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
I'm a noob to this uber site, and have spent days laughing at the stories. I'm an advocate of free speech and all, but i'll be damned if I have to sit here and view a horrid picture of a girl that was (apparantly) just raped. Free speech is one thing, but displays of just filth is akin to child porn. Uber lost my respect at that point.
Submitted by JohnGalt (user info) at 2004-10-14 22:37:39 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
You know what, Slypher, you SHUT THE FUCK UP! Not one word of that last reply, or any of them for that matter, was "whiny". NOT ONE FUCKING WORD!!!! And I've had enough of this shit about talking about it 24/7. Lojope did not bring up this topic, other people did. And on top of that, she never once asked for sympathy.
As for you, professorfuckface, all statistics and pointless trailer park comments aside, why do you think rape victims don't want to come forward when it happens? It's because of all the people like you who reinforce their own belief that they should have seen it coming or could have prevented it or that it was in some way their own fault. And maybe, just maybe, all the stuff that she posts here might help at least one victim see that it isn't their own fault, or maybe it will help the people who care about one of the victims. Either way, I can assure you that's her only motive. Not sympathy.
"An overwhelming majority of rape service agencies believe that public education about rape, and expanded counseling and advocacy services for rape victims, would be effective in increasing the willingness of victims to report rapes to the police. (Rape in America, 1992, National Victim Center with Crime Victims Research and Treatment Center.)"
In other words, her trying to quell your ignorance before you spread it to other people will increase the number of rapes that get reported, which would get more rapists in jail.
And to go back to your statistic, I think you need to define "income distribution" first. If they did it based on how many people made a certain amount, then your argument holds water, but I don't know that they did. And the last time I checked, 10% of the people make up the top 2/3rds of the income distribution if you divide the actual amount of income for the country and then separate it into groups. 1/3 goes to 1%, another goes to 9% and the rest of us split the remaining third of it. So if that's the case, then you have 10:1 odds if you're rich or middle class. I think. I did grow up in a trailer, so you may want to check my simpleton math.
Now, I realize that based on those odds, they probably didn't break it down like that. So you are probably right, women with less income are more likely to get raped. They're also more likely to report it if it happens according all the information I've seen on it. You know what that proves? Not one damn thing. It doesn't mean that all rape victims are poor. In fact, only about half of them are. The other half are doing quite well as far as income goes, now aren't they?
Note: It probably doesn't hurt that most of the upper two thirds probably live in nicer areas, where the cops regularly patrol more and people actually give a shit if they see someone suspicious hanging around. I live in a pretty nice neighborhood and I sure as hell wouldn't start wondering around here at night. They'd harrass the shit out of me. You could go to a poorer neighborhood and do it though. Hell, they never patrol there. And even if someone does calls the cops, no one will show up for 30 minutes. I'd imagine most rapists don't want cops and suspicious neighbors around to catch them, so it makes perfect sense for the victims to be poor, just like the victims of most crimes. Every violent criminal offense occurs more often when both the victim and the perpetrator are poor. That doesn't make rich people invincible. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that violent crimes other than rape are even more heavily weighted toward lower income groups.
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As for this part: "Do I bitch people out when they make fun of beating children? NO. Because kicking the shit out of children IS fucking hilarious."
No, kicking the shit out of children is not "fucking hilarious", and I really don't think you'd say that if you weren't just making up the part about it happening to you.
You know what the worst part of all this is? If you really did have problems because of someone beating the shit out of you as a kid, or if professorfuckface's sister, mother or girlfriend did get raped, hell, even if it was KoolMang, Lojope would still go out of her way to help you deal with it and never ask for one GOD DAMN thing in return.
And just to prove my point:
lojope: it makes him sleep better at night
lojope: if he needs to think I did something wrong so that he feels safe about his mother/sister/girlfriend, that's ok with me
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2004-10-14 21:28:08 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
"About half of all rape victims are in the lowest third of income distribution; half are in the upper two-thirds. (Violence against Women, Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Dept. of Justice, 1994.)"
To explain it to a simpleton: if you are poor, you are TWICE as likely to get raped than a person of middle or high income. And you still say lifestyle has nothing to do with your chances?
Submitted by lojope (user info) at 2004-10-14 21:23:07 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
I SO wish I actually lived in a trailer.
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2004-10-14 21:21:39 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Yeah, you could go on about the psychology of the matter, but the truth is you don't know shit about anything and it would seem right now you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. I would say go back to your trailer park but you are probably in your trailer right now.
Submitted by lojope (user info) at 2004-10-14 21:19:17 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Um, slypher... I haven't been talking about me or my experiences at all. I didn't even write this post. I am discussing some things with the professor here, so unless you want to join the conversation like an adult, I suggest you take your own advice.
Submitted by Slypher (user info) at 2004-10-14 21:12:08 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Jesus fucking Christ, lojope, I am so sick of your whiny shit. Yeah, whoopdefuckingdoo, you got raped. I got the shit kicked out of me as a kid, do I talk abut it 24/7? Do I bitch people out when they make fun of beating children? NO. Because kicking the shit out of children IS fucking hilarious. Albeit, not a GOOD thing, but fuck, neither is making fun of fat people. But it's fucking hilarious. So, to summarize.
SHUT
THE
FUCK
UP.
Submitted by lojope (user info) at 2004-10-14 21:09:56 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
First of all, "someone they know" does not necesarily mean "someone they are friends with, someone they date, someone they spend time with". It just means it wasn't some stranger off the street that they never saw before. If a woman has met her attacker just once, the rape falls under the category of "aquaintance rape" for statistical purposes, even though the attacker is really more of a stranger.
Second of all, the reason a woman who has been victimized once is more likely to be victimized again has nothing to do with the people she hangs out with. It is because of the psychological destruction that rape has on a person:
1. Women who are victimized once quickly take the blame and shame for the event on themselves. They think they deserve it. They are therefore more likely to just give up when an assailant starts to attack them or pressure them or starts to do thing that make them uncomfortable. They don't fight back as hard as someone who has never been victimized.
2. Most rape victims develop Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, which causes them to freeze up and have flashback when something (called a trigger) reminds them of the trauma. This mean, were a woman with PTSD to be assaulted again, there is a very real possiblity that she literally COULDN'T fight back, because her body and mind would be frozen in the past and unable to respond to the present.
3. Along with the shame and blame rape victims experience comes a really big issues with self-esteem and also a tremendous amount of fear. Would-be rapists are kings at picking that out, just like sharks smelling blood in water. Women who are targets once, are often targeted again and again because the rapist can smell the blood.
I could go on and on about the psychology here, but some of it gets rather technical and can therefore be rather tiresome for someone who is not particularly interested/well versed in psyche, so I don't want to lose you. Those are the three simplest explainations.
Again, they have nothing to do with who the woman hangs out with, dates, where she spends her time, how she dresses... etc etc etc.
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2004-10-14 14:36:03 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
"In a 1999 longitudinal study of 3,000 women, researchers found women who had been victimized before were seven times more likely to be raped again."
Seems as though if they are much more likely to be raped if they have been raped before, then it would make sense that these women had a higher probability of being raped the first time. Social circles and lifestyle of the victim will affect their odds of being raped that first time. If all rape victims were jumped in the street then I would believe that everyone has an equal chance of falling prey, but since most of the time the attacker is somebody the victim knows, it comes down to the kind of people the victim hangs around with. Rape is like any other assault, it is part of some people's behavior, and most men will not just suddenly decide to rape someone like a dog decides to bite someone.
Submitted by lojope (user info) at 2004-10-14 11:23:29 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
See? that's what I mean by ignorance. You are showing it more and more. It makes me really sad to hear that so many misconceptions are accepted by the public as a whole. It makes the fight that mich harder to win.
None of those things make you more or less likely to be raped. In fact, there are NO statistics that show that there is a "sort" of girl who is more likely to get raped than another "sort". Rich, poor, black, white, strong, weak, big, small, sluts, prudes, dressed sexy, dressed in sweatpants, pretty, ugly, famous people, nobodies, young old, single, married, gay, straight... they are all equally at risk. People from every category have been raped, and that will continue to be the case.
Bottom line:
There is no way ANYONE can say it can't happen to them.
Another note, there are no statistics that prove that a "sort" of guy is likely to be a rapist. Rapists can be athletes, businessmen, drug dealers, factory workers, homeless, wealthy, black, white, handsome, ugly... etc etc etc... There are NO common denominators between convicted rapists that can be seen on the outside. None.
Bottom line:
You cannot tell who is a rapist and who is not, so there is no way to avoid them.
I suggest you attend a "Take Back The Night" ceremony (they are being held all over the country this month, I'm sure you could find one) and see how well your stereotypes hold up.
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2004-10-14 09:35:57 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
You are an idiot. Here's a few tips to avoid the dreaded rape:
*Move out of your trailer park.
*Find a boyfriend at: a college or place of employment (NOT if you work at McDonald's etc.). NOT: redneck bar, swinger's club or other scuzzy places.
*Don't hang around scummy places or dress like a scuzzbag. These aren't excuses for rape, I don't imagine there are any, but for fuck's sake, it's common sense.
*Nobody, except maybe your psyche or whatever, wants to hear about it.
Submitted by lojope (user info) at 2004-10-14 09:03:34 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Plus, if you founf the same statistic I did, how is it shady?
Submitted by lojope (user info) at 2004-10-14 09:02:57 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
The ignorance in that paragraph you just wrote is staggering.
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2004-10-14 08:47:20 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
1/4? Stop throwing around shady statistics.
"In a study of 6,000 students at 32 colleges in the US, 1 in 4 women had been the victims of rape or attempted rape. (Warshaw 1994)"
77% of rapes are committed by someone known to the person raped. (Bureau of Justice Statistics 1997)
And there you have it. Rapists are generally scummy people. Does my family hang around trashy types? No. Therefore, lowering the risk SIGNIFICANTLY. Also, my family members aren't rapists themselves, which is another big factor. All in all, despite that one statistic you keep throwing around, the chances of MY family members being raped is almost zero. Women dressing slutty may not be an excuse for rape, in fact: it definitely isn't. Women who go out looking for one-night stands who end up getting raped when they change their mind may not be an excuse either. Yet dressing like a slut and flirting at bars with strangers is probably one of the last things a woman should do to avoid being raped. It may be chance, but if you eliminated all the women from those 6000 that had: gone to nightclubs with the intention of a one-night stand, hang around scuzzy male friends, or had rapists in their families, the rate would drop to less than 5%. Despite what you may believe, your chances of being raped increase like the chances of falling victim to any crime if you hang around the wrong type of people, or live in the wrong place. I don't feel sorry for you, because I don't agree with the way you whored your 'experience' out for sympathy hits, or the way you keep bringing it up.
Submitted by lojope (user info) at 2004-10-14 08:22:05 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2004-10-14 03:36:24 (#)
Ranking: 0
Stuff like RapeMadness is what gives the site its own personality. Rape is something to joke about, and you know why I can say that? I've never been raped.
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One in four women are raped in their lifetime. Odds are it will touch your life eventually. Your mother, your sister, your girlfriend, your wife, your daughter, your friend. Statistically, (though I truly hope you beat the odds) it will happen to one of them someday. Be careful what you say now, because when that day comes, there will be someone like you around to say the same to you.
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2004-10-14 03:36:24 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Stuff like RapeMadness is what gives the site its own personality. Rape is something to joke about, and you know why I can say that? I've never been raped.
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2004-10-13 12:44:55 EDT (#)
Ranking: -1
So, giving them MORE attention by making a big to-do about the situation is going to help.... how?
Submitted by TaK (user info) at 2004-10-13 06:11:48 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
You know, I have to say that each and every reply below this one has made me look at this whole situation and Ubersite itself in a brand new light.
In the end, this place is a sliver of each user blended together to make...
Whatever the hell this is.
I love Ubersite, I love writing and reading, and I love each and every user on this site, regardless of our standpoints, views, or opinions.
Submitted by sketch9 (user info) at 2004-10-12 21:26:33 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
man.... just dont read it. we dont need to keep this place clean. In the end, its still just some losers posting a picture to a small group of people. and a lot of the time, things like that just go unnoticed.
Submitted by AlwaysAnEagle (user info) at 2004-10-12 17:21:28 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
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Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-10-11 10:05:12 (#)
Ranking: 2
I go out of town for one weekend and this is what happens?
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Well written, and while I don't wholly agree, I kinda do. Don't leave, just soldier on.
Shitheads are everywhere, love.
Submitted by SimianSidestep (user info) at 2004-10-12 13:17:36 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Kudos to you TaK for standing up for what you believe in. I've been camping out around here for almost a year now and only recently ante'd up to post. In the past year I've watched user id's rocket up an order of magnitude, I've seen the creation of UberMadness. While I am not surprised that you and Method came to some consensus on this, it does surprise me that no one has addressed the underlying issue at work here:
When people think that they're anonymous, they believe that they can get away with anything.
Whether its as subtle as sexual innuendo or as serious as a racial slur, the lack of consequences makes this feel like a lawless town in the old west. On the other hand if I started publishing so-called 'offenders' personal bank account numbers and medical records in a post then I will have gone too far. And that's not right either.
A balance has to be struck where people feel like they will be held accountible for what they post and how they comment. If I knew how to go about doing that, I would have put in a vote of 'no confidence' in bart.
Submitted by Stin (user info) at 2004-10-12 11:14:06 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Fine, great, some well made points.
What concerns me is this "I only read the authors that I know", thing. If nobody took chances on new authors, people like Silvr who write very well would never have got their foot in the door.
I think what happened the that childish string of posts was abhorent, but you can't take away peoples right to do it. As Lojo said, with freedom comes responsibility. It would be nice to see a little more old-fashioned courtesy from some users, but yes, others need to lighten up. Myself included at times.
My post was pushed off the front page by a whole load of crap, and yes it pissed me off - but it's not the be-all and end-all. My life will still go on. To the hitwhores who did it in the first place, maybe you need to step outside, taste the fresh air, see the sunshine and remember what life is all about.
Let's accept that we all have our funny five minutes from time to time, and take uber forward by not running it into the ground.
Submitted by Bigmike (user info) at 2004-10-12 10:45:10 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
I remember, and I agree with you.
Submitted by Random B at 2004-10-12 09:25:41 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Well put!
Submitted by Teephphah (user info) at 2004-10-12 08:23:59 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Well, there's always pulseHead. You can follow the lead of the mighty apollo and go to a place where shit posters are run out of town on their asses, never to be heard from again, and where serious attempts at the literary arts are received and reviewed as such.
Starting to have some appeal now, isn't it?
Submitted by Flying_buttmonkey (user info) at 2004-10-12 07:55:09 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
I'm in no way a noob around here, but it's unlikey you've ever noticed me around. I lurk. Not very contributory I know but I'm on here just about every lunchtime without fail to skim the cream off the top of that day's posts (since my internet habits are now being monitored at work. Ghey) Anything with the word 'rape' 'lol' 'lmao' or your/you're used out of place are instantly dismissed which means I mainly stay away from the grebs of society that have taken to posting their scarcely literate dribblings recently.
Due to my lurking habits I know who I class as the uber 'elite', not necessarily the older users as there are a number of fine writers only just arrived. TaK and Method, who I class as worth reading both have good points but I can't seem to resolve in my head who I agree with the most. Freedom of speech against good old fashioned manners.
I have a friend who decided that she would head up a scheme by which she would rid the world of all offensive words, thereby all offence simply by using them so much that people became desensitised to them. Good intentions, but as a result my mother wouldn't let her in the house and became classed as a foul mouthed chavvy.
I very much doubt anyone will ever resolve this, but good luck.
Submitted by DavyJones (user info) at 2004-10-12 06:00:36 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Nothing really to say here that hasn't been said in past reviews...
Submitted by Kristen (user info) at 2004-10-12 04:04:50 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Just so it's clear, I played along with that little rhyming game. Only I thought words were supposed to rhyme with "ape". I didn't read back far enough to know otherwise.
Submitted by Katastrofadark (user info) at 2004-10-12 03:58:23 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
I totally agree with you Tak. There is no respect anymore. I wrote a post, my first post, on this subject last night. I got slammed for it too. http://www.ubersite.com/m/47930
Submitted by Pringles4eva (user info) at 2004-10-12 03:51:38 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
bart, if you do that i'd buy a subscription and put every post onto the "special" section.
fuck you. money shouldn't be a factor on ubersite.
Submitted by TheMidnight12AM (user info) at 2004-10-12 02:20:33 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
So that's what this was about? I thought it was words that rhymed with tape at first.
Submitted by blissfully_ignorant (user info) at 2004-10-12 01:08:50 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Silent salute to this Tak guy. Highest of praises to you, my friend.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2004-10-12 00:59:18 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
polyamorousguyaj: die
UberMethod: i take offense to you telling me to die, my grandfather died 10 years ago, how could you be so insensitive?
polyamorousguyaj: my dad died two years ago
polyamorousguyaj: you're more insensitive for reminding me of that
UberMethod: how could you be so insensitive to yourself
UberMethod: bastard
polyamorousguyaj: I should go hang myself
polyamorousguyaj: but wait
polyamorousguyaj: my cat hung himself
polyamorousguyaj: how could I be so insensitive to my cat?
polyamorousguyaj: I'm going to go shave my balls in shame
polyamorousguyaj: Shit, German pornstars shave their balls in shame
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2004-10-12 00:57:25 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Ignoring people works.
I don't read hardly any shitposts.
The wave of retards is kind of peripheral for me. I only read stuff by my favorite authors.
It's not difficult.
The repetitive structure of these sentences is getting annoying.
Submitted by kai070169 (user info) at 2004-10-12 00:37:04 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
You need a big cup of STFU and here's why -----> http://www.ubersite.com/m/48081
Submitted by SpikeGoddess (user info) at 2004-10-11 20:32:31 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Tak, I love you. You should write some plays! Then maybe I could act in them!
I don't really think that leaving is the answer, but I have to say that I am so fucking glad that SOMEBODY had the decency to stand up for some kind of moral standard. Does seeing the word "rape" with nothing written under it drive a knife into the chest of every person who's been vicitmized in the past? No. But that's not the point. The point is that it's base and disrespectful. It accomplishes nothing. It's not even funny! It's just disrespectful to what that word means.
I've gone around this mulberry bush one too many times and I'm tired of people saying to me, "I'm sorry you were raped, but get over it." It's not about "getting over it". I'm about as "over it" as anybody ever gets. It's the fact that RAPE and being BANNED FROM A WEBSITE are FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT IN EVERY CONCEIVABLE WAY and no reasonable, empathetic human being would even DARE to draw such a comparison. Get some perspective, people. Go make some friends in real life, or something. Hell, 75% of television is more moral than you are. That's saying something.
For the people who hate the shit posts, the solution is to have other creative and social outlets in addition to Uber. If this is your primary creative community you will take it all to heart way too much. If you love creation and writing and exchange of ideas this is a great supplement or stepping stone, but don't stagnate here. TaK, you and I have talked about that before. Now that I'm back doing the creative work that I'm meant to do, all the petty stuff here doesn't get to me.
Creators need the space they create in to be sacred. That's why we all get so worked up over the shit here---we're using it as sacred space for our writing. Well, there are a lot of shitheads pissing in the temple---and that's their right. So we need to have other temples where we can feel that there's some kind of respect for the endeavor of writing.
TaK, whatever you do, let me know where I can find your work. It has always been of value to me.
Submitted by mockidol (user info) at 2004-10-11 19:52:28 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
+2 for good bart review.
one of the few no one can really argue with
Submitted by Spiral_Abraxis (user info) at 2004-10-11 19:46:22 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
The movement has already begun. Ubersite is undergoing a time of protest. The shitpost revolution is approaching, and I'm glad to be a forerunner of it. And yes, joking about rape is worth doing to get on the MVA.
rape rape rape rape rape.
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2004-10-11 19:42:52 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
"We had to destroy the village to save it."
I think that what you're describing is the side effect of a pseudo democratic system. Democracy would be a great thing if everyone else wasn't such a fucking idiot. Roughly 50% of voting Americans will vote for George W. Bush next month. If that doesn't demonstrate the failure of democracy, I don't know what could.
The idea of Ubersite is that there is no idea for Ubersite. It is what you make out of it. If you want to use it to read stupid things, you can do that. If you want to find slightly longer well written pieces, you can do that. If you want to talk about politics, sex, drugs, or anything else, you can do that.
In a sense, it is a jack of all trades and master of them all as well. No matter what kind of thing you're looking for, there are really good examples of those things here on Ubersite. Yes, there are thousands of examples of dumb things. The problem is that there is too much to sift through to find the particular things that interest you. Everybody has different tastes, so the more people who are here, the more likely it is that one individual's tastes differ from yours.
What's missing isn't a moderation scheme. Creating multiple adminstrators would destroy Ubersite. There are a million moderated message boards out there on the internet. With the prevalence of all those, why does anyone choose to spend time on this one?
There is something that I'd like to put in place, but I haven't ironed out all the details quite yet. It depends on a couple of other real world dependencies though: (a) I need a new home computer (b) I need a new server.
The idea is that everything will work exactly the same. Then, on top of the "Original Submissions" block, there will be another as-of-yet-unnamed block that lists those messages that meet a certain standard. The standard will be set by a group of special users. Special users will be special because they have decided to spend some small amount of money to become special. For that money, they get to make the site a better place to do whatever it is they want to do. The money coming in would then go to cover (a) transaction fees (b) server / maintenance fees and (c) paying people for submitting good stuff.
The overriding concept is to use the money angle as a motivating factor for those who wish to do good things and as a demotivating factor for those who wish to do bad things. I haven't quite worked out all the kinks, and I certainly haven't had any time to actualy do any of this yet, but a guy's got to have goals.
Submitted by gain (user info) at 2004-10-11 19:10:23 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
we can't kill them and get away with it.
I'd be willing to sacrifice myself to the greater good
Submitted by gain (user info) at 2004-10-11 19:05:00 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
come to pulsehead...
Submitted by TaK (user info) at 2004-10-11 19:00:00 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Strict morals? I hardly think believing that using the act of rape for a laugh is wrong is an example of strict morals.
You're name is shitfuck. Look at what you've posted here. Don't talk to me about morals.
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2004-10-11 18:30:19 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Hey I got an idea, why don't you chatroom your own gay ass post and try to ruin everyone's good time. Then make an appeal to all the writers that didn't participate in Rape Post Sunday like writing is only for noble people with strict morals.
Get over yourself. Your posts suck anyway.
Submitted by Spooner (user info) at 2004-10-11 18:26:52 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
My crepe post was funny because it was the first rape-related non-rape post. It kinda started the "rhymes with rape" thing, but I still think "crepe" is best because it still has the word "rape" in it and is a delicious snack when filled with pudding.
//comedy analysis.
Submitted by Degreeless_Capibara (user info) at 2004-10-11 18:15:15 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
You know, I just remembered some of those things I said which Lojope pointed out, and I really regret saying them. In fact, I made a catchphrase out of "Rape is a laughing matter. Banning is not."
However, I would not go back and change anything I've done. I may regret it, but I'm sort of glad it happened.
Submitted by TaK (user info) at 2004-10-11 18:06:32 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
I'm getting drunk, so I should probably stay off of Über.
Submitted by TaK (user info) at 2004-10-11 18:04:52 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
AJ, I see you saved that little tidbit eh? After you IM'ed all your buddies and said "Hey guys, TaK's makin' fun o' me again! HELP! Go -2 him quick!!"
Our rivalry will go down in history Roly. Only...in a history that noone cares about...
Submitted by TaK (user info) at 2004-10-11 17:48:37 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Poly, I'm not quite sure what it is that I dislike about you except for the fact that you seem fabricated and full of shit.
Submitted by lojope (user info) at 2004-10-11 17:14:07 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by Spooner (user info) at 2004-10-11 15:41:16 (#)
Ranking: 0
My only regret is that my long planned and well thought out post about my favorite breakfast treat, crepe, was posted at such an inopportune time.
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Agreed. That comment was pretty fucking funny.
Submitted by Nator (user info) at 2004-10-11 17:08:37 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
"RapeMadness". Heh.
Submitted by cozmikgirl (user info) at 2004-10-11 17:04:46 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
If you want to read something worthwhile go and read something written by a professional. There are many excellent books, magazines and newspapers out there worth reading. However, if you want to read something amateur then continue with this site. Don't get me wrong, some of this stuff deserves to be published, but most of it is in dire need of a decent editor or should be scrapped altogether. The best thing about this site is that almost anyone can post anything and that's just something you have to suck up and deal with.
Submitted by BoogieFevuh (user info) at 2004-10-11 16:50:10 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by Spooner (user info) at 2004-10-11 15:41:16 (#)
Ranking: 0
My only regret is that my long planned and well thought out post about my favorite breakfast treat, crepe, was posted at such an inopportune time.
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Hahaha this is the funniest review I've ever seen. Most of the rape stuff was just dumb, but the crepe had me laughing.
As for the problem with stupid people, just ignore them. It's that easy. Only click on posts by authors that you know, and don't trust whitey.
Submitted by OneCheapGeek (user info) at 2004-10-11 16:41:05 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-10-11 16:28:27 (#)
Ranking: 2
+2 for hostile egotism
No I have not taken my Adderall today. Why is everyone asking me that. Also, my boss walked off with my purple pencil so I'm not working until she brings it back.
AND no one noticed that I have on new shoes today, not even anyone on uber noticed. To think that you people claim to be my friends and yet no one had shit to say about my new shoes.
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There, there dear. Why don't we just fluff up your pillow and have you lie down. Now, close your eyes and imagine yourself as a happy, medicated loki. That's a good girl. After all, we don't want anyone getting hurt.....
Submitted by Spooner (user info) at 2004-10-11 16:31:15 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by Durae (user info) at 2004-10-11 15:50:41 (#)
Ranking: 2
Since when is rhyming with a four letter word clever or funny? Elementary school?
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Looney Tunes started to get funny around Elementary School, and we all know how much Looney Tunes rules still.
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-10-11 16:28:27 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
+2 for hostile egotism
No I have not taken my Adderall today. Why is everyone asking me that. Also, my boss walked off with my purple pencil so I'm not working until she brings it back.
AND no one noticed that I have on new shoes today, not even anyone on uber noticed. To think that you people claim to be my friends and yet no one had shit to say about my new shoes.
Submitted by icarus9mm (user info) at 2004-10-11 16:16:27 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
here's the thing: rape is a lot like eating meat.
some people will judge you and say things like, "but those animals had feelings!"
exactly. feelings. that what makes animals so tasty.
same with rape. women are animals with feelings. tasty.
Submitted by Tigre (user info) at 2004-10-11 16:11:18 EDT (#)
Ranking: -1
I dunno. It's not a bad post.. Just.. I don't like to hear bitching that much. :Y
Submitted by Vermin (user info) at 2004-10-11 15:55:13 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2004-10-10 13:54:49 (#)
Ranking: 2
Rape: The victimless crime.
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Holy fuck what a fucking funny comment! Thank you for bringing that to my attention lojope!
Submitted by Durae (user info) at 2004-10-11 15:50:41 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Since when is rhyming with a four letter word clever or funny? Elementary school?
Most of the people who jumped on this joke are kind individuals, so I really don't believe it was meant to be malicious. Stupid, absolutely... Mean-spirited, not so much.
The disgusting comments were just a sad tribute to the general lack of compassion we see every day on the news, etc. And everyone is right, there's nothing anyone can do about it except suck it up or ignore it.
Bombing people is okay, torturing people is okay, letting people starve is okay, and a handful of people on this site think raping people is okay.
The world is a disgusting place and this is why I'm never having children.
Submitted by Spooner (user info) at 2004-10-11 15:41:16 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
My only regret is that my long planned and well thought out post about my favorite breakfast treat, crepe, was posted at such an inopportune time.
But that Pepé Le Pew post was all about the inferred cartoon rape. Sorry. My bad.
But c'mon, he had the cat in fucking chains! CHAINS!!!
Submitted by lojope (user info) at 2004-10-11 15:18:06 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Haha, aw, man.... touche!
Submitted by polyamorousaj (user info) at 2004-10-11 15:16:51 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
I never was one to play nice, Dori.
Neither is Tak.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/45034#801492
Submitted by cshape (user info) at 2004-10-11 15:14:15 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Give me a break, is your post's position on the most recently reviewed list that important?
Submitted by lojope (user info) at 2004-10-11 15:11:42 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
AJ, Play nice. :o)
Submitted by polyamorousaj (user info) at 2004-10-11 15:10:55 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Oh, I forgot the, "die, you piss soaked urinal cake."
Because God knows that's still funny after the millionth time.
Submitted by polyamorousaj (user info) at 2004-10-11 15:03:41 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
:'(
Submitted by TaK (user info) at 2004-10-11 14:57:44 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
CATAL: Peace be between us then. I understand, you understand, let's go dance in the field and put flowers in our hair! Seriously, it's all good, no hard feelings, just venting here as well.
Poly: Why am I a whiny bitch? I don't know, why are you such a cocksucking fake?
Submitted by polyamorousaj (user info) at 2004-10-11 14:49:24 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
I can agree with you for alot of this but I do have one question.
Why are you such a hostile, easy-to-anger, whiny bitch?
You're a good writer, shut up and write.
Submitted by lojope (user info) at 2004-10-11 14:44:41 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
What people seem to be missing here, is that it's not just about the posts, persay. 11 posts entitled "rape" with no content all showing up at once, would hardly offend anyone. It's just stupid. It's a word. 4 letters.
What's offensive and disturbing, at least to me, are the comments these posts inspired. And not just those that were specifically directed at me, though understandably, they certainly shook me up. But those are not the only ones.
Comments like:
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2004-10-10 13:54:49 (#)
Ranking: 2
Rape: The victimless crime.
Submitted by Degreeless_Capibara (user info) at 2004-10-10 14:20:18 (#)
Ranking: -2
Rape can be fun.
Submitted by tuesdaydelay (user info) at 2004-10-10 15:54:59 (#)
Ranking: 2
http://www.ubersite.com/m/47782
Woo! More rape!
Etc, Etc, Etc. I could list about a million of them. THOSE are what is disturbing, because they are the part that is desensitizing and dehumanizing and rude and mean and a whole big list of other things.
Submitted by Can_Always_Trust_A_Liar (user info) at 2004-10-11 14:40:53 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
The first bit was just me venting. Honestly I don't rememeber ever being particularly venomous to you, but if I have let me explain.
My first memory of you on Ubersite was you being a good-writer (which I still believe you are), and I remember you challenging Razor over the whole Uberia/Uber Pulp thing. That didn't bother me. But as time progresses you seemed egotistical and hostile at times so that is why I may have seemed standoffish towards you.
The reason I came off so belligerent in that review was because I was offended by the accusations you seemed to make. I abhore and loathe rape, I consider it to be one of the lowest and filthiest crimes (if not the worst). But, the way I looked at it, these posts had nothing to do with it. They jusr rhymed with it. The word rape itself has too much power. While the act is a terrible terrible thing, the word itself should not have such a great effect. By making the ryhming jokes you are lessing the power of it in a sense. this is a poor explanation, but this is how I see it to a certain degree.
I just thought it was being silly and goofy, I never dreamed what I did would offend anyone, and still doubt I did. I realize it wasn't what I did specifically did that offended you, but rather the collective effort of everyone involved. Hinestly, if this could all be undone, I'd do it. Lojope was obviously hurt through these events and it seems you were offended.
I apologize.
For the most part, I stand by what I stated earlier, but I do apologize for being rather agressive and malicious towards you.
The second bit was just how I see Uber and how I saw the problems and all that. take that however you want.
TaK, you don't seem like such a bad guy. As it seems we both are a bit annoyed with each other, I'm willing to let bygone sbe bygones. I'm not 100% on how the animosity bewteen us started (or even to what extent), but I'm over whatever got me turned against you in the first place.
Submitted by TaK (user info) at 2004-10-11 14:29:56 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
I hear everything you're saying Filthy.
Read the replies, you'll find that I agree with a lot of what you think.
One thing though: My foundation this is not.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2004-10-11 14:26:21 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
I havent read the reviews yet so you'll have to forgive me if I cover old ground.
While I applaud the call for a little compassion, I have to say I think anyone who was seriously offended by multiple postings of the word rape needs to sit down and take a look at themself, rather than calling for the immediate demonisation of the participants in what was nothing more than a childish joke.
It's a word. Nothing more, nothing less - and it carries as much or as little significance as you let it. This hypersensitivity to a collection of letters is a reactionary farce.
I don't think rape is at all funny and 'rapemadness' left a bad taste in my mouth, but for christ's sake - how is anyone going to get through life if they reach for the piano wire every time someone mentions 'a bad word'.
There are those who have been raped who choose not to let the incredible trauma, pain and hatrid become all that they are - people who sat back yesterday and thought "hah, what a bunch of twats" and moved on to something they considered more worthwhile.
When the posting of one word on a website shakes you to your foundation, there is something wrong with you - something that you personally need to address for the sake of your own sanity and happiness.
Yesterday was stupid, and the participants weren't particularly thoughtful, but that is as far as it goes. Are we going to censor everything that someone somewhere could possibly find offensive?
Fuck that.
Submitted by TaK (user info) at 2004-10-11 14:24:14 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
cexshun: that's cool man, no hard feelings. You have as much a right to your voice as I.
Submitted by TaK (user info) at 2004-10-11 14:23:10 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
And what the fuck difference does it make if no one else was offended? I was, and that's all I was trying to say here.
Submitted by TaK (user info) at 2004-10-11 14:22:15 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Which is what I plan to do from now on electrictooth.
CATAL, what is your problem with me? You always seem so venomous when my name is on a post, especially one where I'm voicing an opinion. As a matter of fact, I've never seen your name on my posts except for ones where I'm voicing an opinion either in the subject matter or in replies.
I've said this already several times but I'll say it again I guess:
This is my opinion. It's how I feel. If you don't, cool. I'm only using my ability to say what I have to say the same as assholes who make fun of rape.
I don't expect anyone to leave, I don't expect anything to change. I only felt like voicing my opinion, which I did.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2004-10-11 14:18:18 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Yea, I participated....I don't feel bad about it. I feel bad that some used it as a licence to get rude with Lojo. Hell, I didn't even know what the fuck was going on. I logged in after it was all pretty much over and saw about 2 pages worth of drape, rape ape, scrape posts, and some people saying they'd exhausted all the rhymes...I just wanted to prove them wrong with the classics LAPE and trape, which they had forgotten, so it could be construed that my posts were actually of the educational variety.
I am with Loki on this. There are those who post nothing but shit, so you know who to avoid and who might post something worth reading/looking at from time to time.
Submitted by Can_Always_Trust_A_Liar (user info) at 2004-10-11 14:14:04 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Whatever.
Who was offended by the rape post? Other than you that is. I know lojope was deeply offended and that pissed me off, but it wasn't from Spiral's or Degreeless's posts, it was some cruel, insensitive replies to the posts by KoolMang directed at her specifically. She did not say whether she was offended by the posts rape or not.
Personally, I thought all the rape posts were stupid, then people started doing the ryhming posts which were (for lack of a a better word) "clever." They were kind of funny, and more kept coming. At that point I started to think of one that hadn't been done. "Escape!" So I typed it into the google image search and found a great picture. And you know what? I posted it.
"I understand exactly why you all participated in this thing. You come on this website and you know you're anonymous, you know you can do and say anything you want and no one can physically harm you."
Fuck you. That's a pretty broad statement. That's not even the reason Spiral and Degreeless posted it. Know why I posted? Cause I felt like it. I hardly ever post, and never on a whim. I just wanted to pos something silly for no point. I never do that.
I don't give a shit about hits. If I wanted to be on the MVA I would be there by now. I'd have more than 55 some posts in the year and a half I've been on Uber, longer than the majority of you. So don't start telling me why I post things or why I do anything.
The majority of the things posted were just for the sake of bein silly and stupid. No offense was intended and I didn't see anyone taking offense. The overall sentiment I received was that it was stupid and pushing posts off the front page (the latter was regrettable, but deal with it). But a lot of people knew it was all in good fun, so just shut up you douche.
Okay, well doucheness aside, I agree with your sentiment. I understand where you are coming from, but I didn't see anyone being offended and if anyone was offended by my "Escape" post with a Zebra on a motorcycle ecaping a lion, then I would apologize.
*****
Now the second part of your post is just totally crazy. Yeah things are different and in some ways worse.
THINGS WILL NEVER REVERT TO HOW THEY WERE.
THE ASSHOLES WILL NEVER LEAVE.
There is no need to change uber in any extreme way. Telling people to leave is horrible advice I hope no one listens to you.
I think all these problems with "shitposters," "trolls," "spamming," and whatever ele problems you people seem to have are all in your guys's fucking head. I rarely see anything that bad. Just ignore the posts you know will be shit. It's not hard. Ignore the stupid comments. And by ignore I don't mean miracuously forget and remove them from your knowledge the moment you see them, I mean, DON'T FUCKING RESPOND! It seems everyone has to have the last word or has to respond, well whoopty-fucking-doo! There, you can have answer them, but they'll answer back.
I never see any huge problems with shitposters, it may be worse or different from how it was, but just live with it. It's like wishing you were a little kid again, it will never be the same.
For those of you that want only serious writing attempts, go to pulseHEAD. I do on occassion. But pulseHEAD is too strict. There's no silliness (like yesterday, not to mention many other things) there. I plan on joining pulseHEAD and frequenting both.
Just that these problems seem invented and exaggerrated, and that the things people want are impossible. So I have no answer, because there isn't one.
Just enjoy uber, if you can't, then do something about it. Leave, go to pulseHEAD, make posts like this one, make a silly post, make any post! Do something! Just try and get the best out of Uber and enjoy yourself. Otherwise, what are you doing here?
Submitted by cexshun (user info) at 2004-10-11 14:10:34 EDT (#)
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Hey TaK. I wasn't responding 100% about this post, but about this post, the comments it has received, and the comments on all the rape posts. This post seems to have become the center table for discussion on the topic, though.
Nothing personal bro. I may disagree with you, but you're cool in my book. Just as these people have the right to post about rape, you have the right to post this. I was merely questioning the sudden onset of "That's not appropriate" that has never been a part of uber before. And i believe I've traced it back to the person I spoke of earlier.
Submitted by GodLovesALittleLovin (user info) at 2004-10-11 14:08:28 EDT (#)
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I totally agree. I know which topics to stay away from and rape is definitely one of them. If it involves an animal though it's hilarious.
Submitted by TaK (user info) at 2004-10-11 14:00:42 EDT (#)
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My post here hardly constitutes the vast span of Uber Morals or lack thereof.
I myself have always had morals, and I'm not clicking on that link because I'm done giving these fuckers the attention they so desperately crave.
As far as you talking about someone else, sorry about that, I assumed you meant me.
Submitted by Dead_0hi0_Sky (user info) at 2004-10-11 13:58:37 EDT (#)
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not a bad idea for the original gangsta uber users.
lets start over, wash away all the shit.
Submitted by cexshun (user info) at 2004-10-11 13:57:31 EDT (#)
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You mean like this one posted yesterday?
http://www.ubersite.com/m/47836
A search would turn up several like it, also. And I never said anything about a guy not being able to be raped. Not sure where you go that from. I spoke about a veteran uber woman, and you assumed I was talking about you. And since you are neither, I'm pointing out I am obviously talking about someone else. This person threw a fit and took offense. Now, all of a sudden, uber has morals. Go figure.
Submitted by TaK (user info) at 2004-10-11 13:53:45 EDT (#)
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So you're saying guys can't be raped?
I've always felt this way about posts like this, it's just this time it was a pack mentality thing. Too much of it for me to just ignore. Plus, I've never seen a child molestation post or I would have jihad'd that motherfucker too.
Submitted by cexshun (user info) at 2004-10-11 13:48:39 EDT (#)
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TaK, since you're a guy and not a veteran user, then perhaps I was not talking about you?
And I'm referring to the sudden onset of uber morality due to a handful of posts titled "rape". Not 1 person led a holy war when posts about raping children have been made.
Submitted by TaK (user info) at 2004-10-11 13:44:49 EDT (#)
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Not that it matters, but I'm a guy cexshun.
And I'm not a "veteran user".
I would act this same way if it were molestation, especially children, or racism or whatever.
Submitted by cexshun (user info) at 2004-10-11 13:30:14 EDT (#)
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I guess I just don't get the whole situation. I'm sure there are several uber people out there who were molested as children. Yet, they are not leading a witch hunt against people who post tasteless molestation jokes. You know why? Because they probably received professional help and are over it and have dealt with it. Now, this rape thing happens, a veteran user gets offended and throws a bitch fit, and the lemmings rally behind her with a war cry. I just don't get it. Am I missing something?
Submitted by spider (user info) at 2004-10-11 13:23:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by lojope (user info) at 2004-10-11 12:08:39 (#)
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It is their right to do something like that. What's unfortunate is that they felt the need to act on their rights in that manner.
I posted in fury yesterday, and was accused of being egotistical, thinking that all those posts were a jab at me. This was ludicrous of course, because my post was directed at a user who used my name specifically. Not much ego there, those comments WERE about me. And they hurt very much. They should never have been said.
The point is, do they have a right to do that? Technically yes. Should they do it? No. With freedom comes responsibility. Without the responsibility, all that freedom becomes is a ticket to become comfortable with evil.
Making light of something that it evil, may not mean that they are condoning the evil act, but they are certainly working to desensitize themselves and others to it. And when people become desensitized to evil, they stop viewing it as evil. And if they don't view it as evil anymore, they will no longer take steps to stop it.
And that is where the issue lies.
Evil things should cause fury in anyone who hears about them. Whether it be rape, or incest, or abuse, or mistreatment of children, or any of the other things that are morally degrading and horrible that people do to each other.
The word Rape may just be four letters strung together. That's true. The word itself doesn't hurt anybody. But the word has a meaning. And that meaning should infurriate people.
When people take a word like that, and strip it of it's meaning, they do an injustace to not only victims of the crime, but to humanity as a whole, because as they strip away its meaning and laugh and joke, they peel away the fury that word should invoke.
Without the fury, no action will be taken.
And the greatest evil is when good people take no action against evil.
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IT WAS A FUCKING JOKE, and a damn funny one at that. And it gets funny the more of you that bitch about it.
Submitted by CoachMagirk27 (user info) at 2004-10-11 12:29:04 EDT (#)
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The rapemadness thing was retarded. I wasn't offened, just pissed off that there was nothing but shit posts.
Submitted by kai070169 (user info) at 2004-10-11 12:29:02 EDT (#)
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a funny rapemadness post ----> http://www.ubersite.com/m/47909
1.09 on 25 reviews - the people have spoken.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2004-10-11 12:20:31 EDT (#)
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But "jokes" are suppposed to be "funny".
The word "rape" in itself isn't funny...and to all the adolescent dipshits who enjoy throwing that word around...just pray we never run into each other and I hear you joking about rape, you fucktards.
PS. The same goes for Jew, Nigger, and whatever other racist bullshit the dipshits like to spew in here from the safety of their shithole apartment and keyboard.
It was stupid...and never funny.
Submitted by cigar (user info) at 2004-10-11 12:15:55 EDT (#)
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It was a joke, you silly stupid fuck. several shitty posts, which are now simply gone.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-10-11 12:15:10 EDT (#)
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ignoring people really does work around here. you never see any posts about me anymore because i just ignore people for the most part. trust me, they just want attention because their lives are so vapid and meaningless and lonely. if they don't get it here, they will look for it somewhere else.
Submitted by kai070169 (user info) at 2004-10-11 12:10:39 EDT (#)
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Lighten the fuck up. There's way worse things in this world worse than repeating a flashword like "rape". Bart caused this shit by half - banning Koolmang and now all the retards are having a freak out party. You're outnumbered, deal with it.
I don't entirely disagree with your post, but we live in a world with Koolmangs and Cigars and Degreeles' and Tuesdaydelays & Bushes & Kerry's & you & me. SOme people piss you of,some people piss you off a lot. Liberal femenist hype about how the fucking WORD rape as bad does not impress me nor does it strike fear in my heart; it's just a fucking word, it's individuals like YOU who give it power, therefore YOU are the one with the problem. I didn't even bother reading any rape posts by people I didn't recognize - did you? If so, YOU'RE definitely the problem!
In cyberspace, my junk e mail box, I get spam inviting me to pay sites including rape porn sites. If you're serious about this complaint, maybe I should foreward these to you for further investigation.
How do rapists keep it up anyway? I can't think of a more "uninspiring" activity, for discuission or otherwise.....
Submitted by lojope (user info) at 2004-10-11 12:08:39 EDT (#)
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It is their right to do something like that. What's unfortunate is that they felt the need to act on their rights in that manner.
I posted in fury yesterday, and was accused of being egotistical, thinking that all those posts were a jab at me. This was ludicrous of course, because my post was directed at a user who used my name specifically. Not much ego there, those comments WERE about me. And they hurt very much. They should never have been said.
The point is, do they have a right to do that? Technically yes. Should they do it? No. With freedom comes responsibility. Without the responsibility, all that freedom becomes is a ticket to become comfortable with evil.
Making light of something that it evil, may not mean that they are condoning the evil act, but they are certainly working to desensitize themselves and others to it. And when people become desensitized to evil, they stop viewing it as evil. And if they don't view it as evil anymore, they will no longer take steps to stop it.
And that is where the issue lies.
Evil things should cause fury in anyone who hears about them. Whether it be rape, or incest, or abuse, or mistreatment of children, or any of the other things that are morally degrading and horrible that people do to each other.
The word Rape may just be four letters strung together. That's true. The word itself doesn't hurt anybody. But the word has a meaning. And that meaning should infurriate people.
When people take a word like that, and strip it of it's meaning, they do an injustace to not only victims of the crime, but to humanity as a whole, because as they strip away its meaning and laugh and joke, they peel away the fury that word should invoke.
Without the fury, no action will be taken.
And the greatest evil is when good people take no action against evil.
Submitted by cexshun (user info) at 2004-10-11 12:04:37 EDT (#)
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But posts about child molestation and the annhilation of Jews are just fine? A lot of shitty stuff goes on at uber, and I'm surprised you picked rape to be the one you hate. Strange.
Submitted by Vermin (user info) at 2004-10-11 11:46:06 EDT (#)
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I agree. Anyone who writes posts about rape is an asshole.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2004-10-11 11:43:42 EDT (#)
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I guarantee that those Uberidiots who thought "Rape Post Sunday" was funny, have IQ'
s that match my middle finger.
It was stupid. They are stupid. Everybody's stupid.
Submitted by tinactin (user info) at 2004-10-11 11:36:00 EDT (#)
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Well articulated, although I am in complete disagreement on many of your points. Unfortunately I dont have time to argue them right now.
Submitted by TaK (user info) at 2004-10-11 11:31:47 EDT (#)
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And that's cool bob. Once again, I'm not saying anything other than be aware of what words can do.
Submitted by I_Have_a_Kristen_Fetish (user info) at 2004-10-11 11:27:33 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-10-11 11:25:24 EDT (#)
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I agree with what JMG said about ignoring them working. There are a few people on here who post nothing but crap. I know that so I don't bother clicking on anything they post. It may not stop the flood of idiocy, but it keeps me sheltered from it.
Submitted by brokenlizard534 (user info) at 2004-10-11 11:22:22 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2004-10-11 11:18:47 EDT (#)
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oh come on tak, lighten up.
i rather enjoyed "rapemaddness". it was just a time, that i doubt will be repeated that everyone was laughing. no one was seriously offended, and if some were, they did not voice it. I mean come on, we had people laughing with shitfuck and others who might normally recieve auto -2s. I thought that this wont become anything normal, but rather it was just one instance that was rather enjoyable.
Submitted by TaK (user info) at 2004-10-11 11:17:42 EDT (#)
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It's a perspective thing I suppose. To each his own. And I mean that in every use of the phrase. Say what you want, do what you want, and it will all be taken by people how they want.
I understand now that no one meant harm, and as Method put it so correctly below, I am arguing the moral basis of using rape for humor, not the right to do so.
One rape victim (your girlfriend for instance) may not take offense, while another (me for example) may incur plenty. This doesn't mean you must stop doing or hinder what you do. I only wanted everyone to understand what harm words may cause, not to limit the use of the words. I, nor anyone else, can be the judge of what is right or wrong. It's only an opinion.
Submitted by icarus9mm (user info) at 2004-10-11 11:17:27 EDT (#)
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+1 for effort.
But, the fact of the matter is this: One should never take ANYTHING too seriously. The ability to laugh at everything, no matter how horrid or unthinkable, especially based on personal experience; that's the greatest thing in the world.
For some of us, that's what keeps our sanity just this side of the abyss.
Submitted by RateBot (user info) at 2004-10-11 11:16:06 EDT (#)
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People have done worse shit on this site.What about all the hate mongering and nigger hating?
Submitted by SilvrWolf (user info) at 2004-10-11 11:09:12 EDT (#)
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Now normally, I tend to stay on the conservative side of the fence, but after seeing the fiasco last night, I can almost sympathize with those (and I did bow to that level, too) responsible for this. I felt bad about it as soon as I woke up this morning, though, so I brought an expert in on the matter.
My gf has suffered through rape not only by her ex-husband and his drug dealers, but also by her own miserable father. I had her look at the posts (including mine) and she took absolutely no offense. She thought it was infantile and boorish, yes, but merely a futile attempt to get some attention. And it worked. Granted, there are many victims who would be aghast at these events, and as for my own actions, I apologize sincerely. This event has even inspired her to become a member here (I know. I know. I TRIED to warn her.) and start posting.
However, if someone equates a shit post about the french Miracle Drape or Gilbert Grape to condoning rape, just how jaded have we become in our political correctness? What I mean is, are we supposed to stop using words that rhyme with 'kill', 'die', or 'steal', too? After my dubious actions last night (drunk or not), I agree that there should be a line. The problem is in where should the line be and by whom should it be drawn? I choose to not do anything like that again, but I'll not sacrifice words from my vernacular simply because they rhyme with a "taboo" word or subject.
Other than KoolMang's comments (which he apologized for), there was never anything personal about any of the onslaught of rape (and its rhymed cousins) posts yesterday and last night. I could understand if I had posted "I raped Bart's mom" (just an example, PLEASE don't crucify me, Uber), but that was never the case. The point is if a genuine rape victim (granted, each case is unique) doesn't find this offensive, why do you?
Submitted by zxcvvcxz (user info) at 2004-10-11 11:07:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Creepy_guy (user info) at 2004-10-11 10:54:05 EDT (#)
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Or am I wrong about this whole thing? Is this what you all wanted? To have the site overrun with idiots who couldn't care less about writing