Culture of Death (834 hits)
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Submitted by <e.h.graham.at.gmail.com> (View user info) at 2004-10-21 20:56:32 EDT
I'm a pro-choicer. I am actually disgusted by pro-lifers, not because of their belief that abortion is wrong, but because they think that MY choice is THEIR choice. There is only one person who can make a choice about my body, and that is myself. Unfortunatly, in the world we live in, many people feel that they have a "social consicous". That the world's decision rests on their shoulders. It doesn't. I have a mind, I make my own decisions. I do not make yours, you should not make mine.
Pro-lifers have always been far too extremist. All I have to cite is the numerous deaths of alive human beings. To pro-lifers, the potential aspect of a potential human being is more important than an actual human being living out his/her potential. Does that make sense? Does it make sense to kill a working functioning, breathing human in favour of keeping "alive" an embryonic mass of cells which may be severly retarded, unwanted, or miscarry anyway.
What people do not understand is that abortions are given to stop unwanted pregnancies. A baby born to a mother or a famliy unwillingly on the case of the parents will more likely be abused, sexually assaulted, or abandoned (Alan Guttamacher Institute). And then go on to commit heinous crimes themselves. Why is this "phenomenon" true? Because unwanted children grow up knowing they are unwated, feeling they are unwanted. Children know this. But, when the issue of unwanted children has been addressed, and abortion is a choice for everyone, not only do the side affects of abuse go down, but so do the numbers of children in adoption centers.
Pro-choice is not forcing people to have abortions, it is the choice between abortion or birth. Pro-lifers want to force everyone to bring pregnancies to full-term and have the woman give birth.
Apparently I am part of the "Culture of Death" (Human Life International). That's right, the "Culture of Death". Why am I part of the culture of death? Because my choice includes terminating a group of cells which arent even ALIVE yet. An embryo does not become a human until the heart begines to beat (7 weeks) and brain waves are detected (20 weeks). Abortion is not wrong. It is not immoral. It is MY decision.
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Submitted by OnlyBigbear (user info) at 2005-01-09 18:16:04 EST (#)
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Ok, here's how it looks to me:
All the Pro-choicers are voicing opinions and beliefs based upon an individuals rights (in this case the mother) and logic. The Pro-lifers are simply bashing the pro-choicers for their beliefs, and using buzz words like "legalized murder".
This shows a few things: Pro-choicers are apparently open to other people opinions (hence the name pro-CHOICE), and are able to back up their opinion. Pro-lifers are portraying themselves as closed minded bigots who love to pass judgment on others. Believe it or not, people have different values and different belief systems. If you choose to believe that abortion is wrong, then good for you, I applaud your choice, and if/when it comes to that choice for you, go with your belief. If you choose to believe that abortion is no more wrong than other forms of contraception, then good for you, I applaud your choice, and if/when it comes to that choice for you, go with your belief... I think that by definition, that makes me a pro-choicer.
It's actually funny how many hardcore 'pro-lifers', Christians, Relgious zealots change their tune when it happens to them. If you choose to engage in unprotected sex, OR if you are that unlucky 0.1% of people for whom responsible contraception is unsuccessful, and you/your partner winds up pregnant, then abortion is a viable option. If you disagree, don't choose it. But in this day and age, nobody has the right to impose their belifs on others. When you start believing that your opinion or belief is more important than somone elses, that's when you get tossed into the same classification as people such as Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Lenin. Were they really bad people? They had their beliefs, they convinced some to share it, and they imposed it on others. (Note for you dumbasses who are reading this thinking I'm defending those men. I'm not, I'm making an analogy you morons)
I hear sob stories from people about abortions gone wrong that result in mental anguish/trauma, or who realize afterwards that they made the wrong choice. Not to sound inconsiderate, but tough. Abortion is not an easy process, it is usually a long drawn out process of waiting for an appointment, going through councilling, and then actually having the procedure. If in that time, you haven't prepared yourself fully for the consequences, then you can always change your mind. Right up until the moment they begin the procedure.
To sum it all up; You have the right to choose what YOU believe, not what others should believe. You also have EVERY right to question another persons beliefs, discuss them, attempt to change their mind, or even dislike them, HOWEVER, you ONLY have the right to choose for yourself. That is the definition of pro-choice. If you find any way to disagree with that, you are not only showing yourself to be closed minded and a bigot, but you're also paving the way for something akin to the fourth reich. Not a pretty picture my friends. I personally wouldn't want to live in a world where the choices someone makes are handed to them by others. I know that happens right now in some matters, however, nobody ever said the world was perfect.
Submitted by Katastrofadark (user info) at 2004-11-10 05:12:43 EST (#)
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Pro-Choice
Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-10-22 21:00:04 EDT (#)
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I am pro-life (except in cases of rape or if having the baby could put the mother's life at risk). The reasons for this being:
1. It promotes irresponsibilty to let people get abortions whenever they want. I know someone who has had 4 abortions because she doesn't want to buy condoms. What the hell is wrong with that picture? If a condom breaks or something to this affect....get the morning after pill.
2. Who are we to decide when a fetus is living? Aren't there studies that say your child is aware of things going on outside the womb? This means that the child is in fact alive...killing something that is living is called murder.
3. My mother had a abortion before she had me. It went wrong and the child was a stillborn. The emotional stress that put her through was overwhelming. She is still affected by this sometimes.
4. People say that it is their body. If you think that try commiting suicide and they will arrest you.
I'm sure that there will be some dumb answers to this reply but instead of that...why not try to convince me of your side of the issue?
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2004-10-22 20:37:04 EDT (#)
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this is only "about" freedom of choice from one side of the fence; from the other, it's about the legalization of murder. that's why the debate never has gone, nor will go, anywhere; the two sides are not debating over the same issue, and any mediation between the two is simply not possible.
Submitted by random jane at 2004-10-22 20:16:31 EDT (#)
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u r killing innosent babies. how can u! u should go 2 hell!!! they did nuthin 2 u! u slore
Submitted by mikethescottish (user info) at 2004-10-22 11:07:55 EDT (#)
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Pro-choice all the way, baby.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2004-10-22 10:56:42 EDT (#)
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Politics asside, it's a solid argument that uses substantiated fact. Politics considered, pro-lifers generally belong to the larger category of primitive religious-right morons who seem to think they have the prestigious honor of determining how the rest of the world should think and behave, all based off the scrawlings of a bunch of dead people.
Submitted by WhatTheHell (user info) at 2004-10-22 09:07:02 EDT (#)
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I'm a PRO "FUCK-YOU"er ...
SO......
FUCK YOU!
Submitted by Feijuada (user info) at 2004-10-22 07:58:45 EDT (#)
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ABORT ALL MINORITIES
Submitted by Sade (user info) at 2004-10-22 01:06:12 EDT (#)
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Oh Jesus, fuck your Us Vs. Them whine fest.
And by the way it's not "your" body. Your body belongs to the government and they will do whatever they want to with it. It's on this note that I say that child bearing shouldn't be a right; it should be a licensed activity.
Submitted by TheMidnight12AM (user info) at 2004-10-22 00:53:16 EDT (#)
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I'm pro life, and I've seen better arguments for pro-choice than this.
Submitted by lizzard (user info) at 2004-10-22 00:49:17 EDT (#)
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point is that you do not have the right to choose for me, dimwits. the RIGHT to CHOSE.
i could care less where you stand on this topic.
How would you like it if the law said you had to plant geraniums in your garden? and not anything else? this is about freedom of choice.
Submitted by Wiggles (user info) at 2004-10-22 00:14:13 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Bush supports a "culture of life", but executed mentally retarded inmates in Texas without any moral concerns. Makes no sense.
Submitted by Jesus_Christ <pieeatingpirate.at.hotmail.com> at 2004-10-21 22:49:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by icyshelf <icyshelf.at.netscape.net> at 2004-10-21 21:26:27 (#)
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If this happened against your will or the embryo must be terminated to save your life, fine.
But if you're enough of a whore to get yourself into a situation where you'd need an abortion for anything other than medical reasons in the first place, you don't deserve one. Accept your responsibilities as a parent. If you can't support the baby, you should've thought of that in the first place.
Why should a random child be punished because of some slutbag's dumb actions...
Submitted by Jarvis (user info) at 2004-10-21 22:19:31 EDT (#)
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As far as I'm concerned, a baby, until it's born, is a parasite using the mother as a host. That woman has every single right to have that thing removed from her and this is why I'm a Libertarian.
Submitted by great_angst (user info) at 2004-10-21 21:39:49 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by icyshelf <icyshelf.at.netscape.net> at 2004-10-21 21:26:27 EDT (#)
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If this happened against your will or the embryo must be terminated to save your life, fine.
But if you're enough of a whore to get yourself into a situation where you'd need an abortion for anything other than medical reasons in the first place, you don't deserve one. Accept your responsibilities as a parent. If you can't support the baby, you should've thought of that in the first place.
Submitted by Samer (user info) at 2004-10-21 21:20:16 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Tom (user info) at 2004-10-21 21:09:26 EDT (#)
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Bravo
Submitted by RandomJane <I.am.at.nobody.com> at 2004-10-21 21:02:49 EDT (#)
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Finally someone with the balls to say it out loud.
Good job, kid
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2004-10-21 21:01:03 EDT (#)
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I'm not pro-choice or pro-life. In fact, I'm anti-choice and anti-life, women will have abortions whether they want to or not, and old people will be with be euthenased even if it comes down to me visiting nursing homes and suffocating them while they sleep.