Socialist Dogma: The reason this post will get -2's! (1204 hits)
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Submitted by williamson (View user info) at 2004-10-29 05:19:44 EDT
Good day Ubersite! This is my first post (another reason i expect to be recieving dozens of -2's.. Yay).
I should probably start off with explaining the basics. My name is williamson and I am a socialist, and I'm here to tell you merry little folk about the wonderous utopia that i call Socialism.
Ever have a shit day at work. Not because something bad happened but because it was like the day before... and the day before that... and the day before that. Ever felt that no matter what you do to better your productivity at work, nothing's in it for you? Hell, if you work harder it means that the boss with fewer work hours, hotter wife and faster speed boat can make that final payment on that Lexus. What's the point?
Myth: Those who own a lot in life got there because they worked hard.
Fact: Those who own a lot in life got there because they own what YOU, the labourer created.
(Oh, by the way, i spell 'Labour' with a 'u'. I'm not a Brit, I'm an Aussie.)
Want a new TV? A new car? A new home? These things cost money. But why? Obviously there is a price involved in materials and labour to produce such items... But trust me; nothing you buy costs as little as it cost to produce. And those that own the production (hereon referred to as capitalists) make the margin that you pay extra.
Williamson's tips to understanding the markets: Profit = Demand / Supply.
Any budding mathematician will be tripping over his calculator to tell you that in order to to create a greater profit for the capitalist, the demand must rise and the supply should drop. I'm sure you've noticed how they rise demand (The average American sees something like 3000 advertisements a day). But as for the supply drop; that's more subtle.
Myth: Factories are working full out to produce for you the most products possible.
Fact: The average factory runs at 65% capacity (note: This fact comes from a rather left source. Let's raise it to 75% just cause we can't trust those commies.)
Hell, still want that TV, car and home? See the guy next door? He's budding for a new pool. And the guy across the street's aching for a stereo. And that guy down the road, he's looking for a new set of dumbells. He's a pretty buffed up guy. He can bench like... a lot! He'd be a pretty good house-builder. And would be a great labourer for making cars. A degree in electrical engineering, so skilled at making TVs. But, what's this? He's unemployed!
SHIT!
There is work to be done. Homes, cars, TVs to make. Someone needs to get this guy a job. Someone who owns a factory to make the cars, the TVs and the houses (Houses ARE made in factories damnit!). But no matter where he goes to work, he can not find a job. WHY? Because of one reason, the cornerstone of my belief in socialism..
The factory owners are not trying to optimise production. They don't care if there are enough homes being built for the poor. They don't care if enough beds are made for the needy. They optimise profit and leave production at a rate of 75% (on average).
The capitalists keep society on the brink of starvation, keeping them unfed, malnourished, while all the while holding the power to create a better land away from the people, because god-forbid, without that profit margin they couldn't pay off that Lexus.
There will be a few people who take a shot at me for this article. Some will defend the right of the capitalists by saying they are 'free to capitalise'. Western democracy began with the greeks, some 3000 odd years ago. Plato once said "Absolute Freedom is Absolute Slavery". By defending the capitalists rights, you are defending his rights to take yours away. Like it or not, you are a slave of necessity. You need the banks, the factories, the multi-million transnationals in your day to day living to survive. And by working together under the common interest of making the biggest profit and by keeping production to a minimum, they can keep you, the consumer, starved and hungry.
A thought to ponder: Cuba has a higher literacy rate than the United States of America.
Now, for the grande finale, let's do some cam-whoring!
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Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2005-08-29 17:48:50 EDT (#)
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+2 first post camwhore!
Submitted by notwelcomehurr (user info) at 2005-06-08 11:11:01 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-03-22 18:48:56 EST (#)
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Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2004-10-29 10:26:01 (#)
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From the post:
Ever felt that no matter what you do to better your productivity at work, nothing's in it for you? Hell, if you work harder it means that the boss with fewer work hours, hotter wife and faster speed boat can make that final payment on that Lexus. What's the point?
Your Comment:
(these managers would be the smart citizens, and would be paid at a higher salary accordingly, so there goes the "Why should people bother under socialism?" query.)
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Excellent contradiction there, you're still allowing the managers, deemed to be "smarter" to capitalize on everyone else's work.
Massive social inequality there.
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I'm not calling socialism perfect, but by fucking god, a few managers with a slightly higher salary than the rest is a lot better than the current system of homeless bums and multi-billionaires.
This way, human nature can still be compensated and a strive to excel is nurtured through higher salary.
I never hope to achieve utopia. But I can see this system is much better.
PS. Expect another commy pinko post soon uber.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2005-03-19 02:58:21 EST (#)
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Shittiness: The reason this post got -2s.
I figured, I'm bored. Why not go and rank Williamson's posts? And I never read your first one.
Submitted by JoshuaW (user info) at 2005-02-15 02:46:21 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
No Comment
Submitted by TheMidnight12AM (user info) at 2005-02-15 02:21:30 EST (#)
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You want to give me 5 -2's? How's 55 -2's, bitch?
Bwahahaha. This will probably get me banned, but shit, it's the Internet. Who cares?
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2005-02-11 19:27:04 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-10-29 11:22:51 (#)
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This post sucked so bad, I mean...man does it suck. Malnourised? The premier capitalist country is fatter than hell! You're going to parrot an economic philosophy to me? Can you even draw a supply and demand curve, you moron? In your case, the demand curve should be for Clearasil, judging by your pic.
PISS.....OFF.
-2 die.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-02-11 19:24:35 EST (#)
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Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2005-02-11 19:19:07 (#)
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You look like you're wearing a lot of make up.
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A man's gotta look his best.
Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2005-02-11 19:19:07 EST (#)
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You look like you're wearing a lot of make up.
Submitted by JenBee (user info) at 2004-10-29 15:11:24 EDT (#)
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I run a coffin factory at a 78%. Plus two for figuring out my secret. Bawhahahaha
Submitted by IcyBlackHand (user info) at 2004-10-29 14:57:49 EDT (#)
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Socialism relies on people rejecting any kind of personal responsibility, and at the same time, submitting to the control of a huge, repressive government. In order to enact any type of socialist scheme, one must repress all those who want to who have any type of drive or ambition. Socialists are unable to grasp that people are different, with different talents, drives and work ethics. Anyway, things were always better for the poor in the United States than they ever were for those living under the Iron Curtain.
In short, Socialists have no idea how the real world works.
Submitted by toddska (user info) at 2004-10-29 14:56:24 EDT (#)
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A further comment.
That leftist eye of yours looks a little lazy to me. Coincidence? I think not.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2004-10-29 12:18:58 EDT (#)
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simplistic
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2004-10-29 11:50:03 EDT (#)
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Get a job, Doogie Howser.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-10-29 11:26:40 EDT (#)
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A thought to ponder: Cuba has a higher literacy rate than the United States of America.
Here's another thought to ponder: What good is literacy if someone ELSE decides what you can and can't read?
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-10-29 11:22:51 EDT (#)
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This post sucked so bad, I mean...man does it suck. Malnourised? The premier capitalist country is fatter than hell! You're going to parrot an economic philosophy to me? Can you even draw a supply and demand curve, you moron? In your case, the demand curve should be for Clearasil, judging by your pic.
PISS.....OFF.
-2 die.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2004-10-29 10:31:13 EDT (#)
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+1 for righteous social outrage.
+1 for mentioning Cuba.
Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2004-10-29 10:26:01 EDT (#)
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From the post:
Ever felt that no matter what you do to better your productivity at work, nothing's in it for you? Hell, if you work harder it means that the boss with fewer work hours, hotter wife and faster speed boat can make that final payment on that Lexus. What's the point?
Your Comment:
(these managers would be the smart citizens, and would be paid at a higher salary accordingly, so there goes the "Why should people bother under socialism?" query.)
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Excellent contradiction there, you're still allowing the managers, deemed to be "smarter" to capitalize on everyone else's work.
Massive social inequality there.
Submitted by Kon at 2004-10-29 10:15:47 EDT (#)
Ranking: -1
If there is no extra profit, a surgeon would make as much as a gardener? I'd rather work 3 hours a day handing books to youngsters in the library than do backbreaking, mindnumbing, unhealthy work for 8 hours a day.
Submitted by runninginplace (user info) at 2004-10-29 09:52:13 EDT (#)
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Your full of it, but since you tried I 'll give you -1 instead of -2.
Submitted by Teephphah (user info) at 2004-10-29 09:02:27 EDT (#)
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Yeah, this was okay. As someone mentioned before, you did a lot of finger-pointing about what was bad about capitalism, but you didn't then move on to offer the socialist alternative.
Then there's the fact that altruism doesn't jive with human nature, and socialism depends on a spirit of altruism, but you're still young, you probably haven't figured that out yet. Been suckling at the teat of people who just magically want to give you things for no reason (your parents) for too long. Give it time, lad, someday you too will learn the value of property ownership.
Submitted by Shay (user info) at 2004-10-29 08:56:46 EDT (#)
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Doogie Howser.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2004-10-29 08:42:22 EDT (#)
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ICO, in response to your question, socialism makes your question obsolete. You ask how the producer lives without a profit? Simple. There is no longer a producer. Sure, there are still managers, who look after the production process (these managers would be the smart citizens, and would be paid at a higher salary accordingly, so there goes the "Why should people bother under socialism?" query.)
There are no producers. No companies. All is owned by the people, and the government is managing it all. And unlike Stalinist Russia, socialism doesn't neccesarily mean a dictatorship. Democratic socialism is what I hope for. For the people, by the people.
Note: I have a feeling this review will be picked apart when i said Stalinist "socialism". Many will say it was communism, and others will agree it was socialism. I have met many who call themselves socialists and many who call themselves communists. It's my opinion that it's essentially the same thing. The two beliefs interwieve to the point where it's just easier to think "Commies are really left, Socialists not so much". Trying to categorise government under umbrellas is a pointless task. Let's just accept that Stalin was sort of socialist, sort of communist and quite a prick.
Submitted by ICO (user info) at 2004-10-29 08:27:04 EDT (#)
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Errm, if no producer ever added to the price of the product they created, how would they survive?
Submitted by FATMANTPK (user info) at 2004-10-29 08:07:29 EDT (#)
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Good first post. Solid and well written.
You forgot to take into account the cost of research for any new goods that are on the market. Manufacturing and labor are a small part of the cost of something. Its the 4 guys in a lab coming up with Plasma TV technology that cost a lot more.
Socialism doesn't work as it offers no reward for performing above the average worker.
Capitilism rewards the greedy and ambitious (And sometimes the lucky).
Neither system is perfect, but I would rather have the chance to be rewarded based on my performance, rather than be treated the same as someone less skilled or less motivated.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2004-10-29 08:01:22 EDT (#)
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My first +2 downerSTAIN... I feel honoured.
I seriously cried laughing when i heard I "seem to at least not be a retard.". That's one of the sweetest things anyone has said to me in a long time.
Also, i forgot to put this on my post but i wanted to say Sideburns rules!
Submitted by Avals (user info) at 2004-10-29 07:59:03 EDT (#)
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Actually, Profit = (Price - Cost) * Units Sold.
This was a nice article and all that, but you failed to mention one thing ... WHAT THE FUCK IS THE ALTERNATIVE YOU'RE SUGGESTING?! Socialism? Didn't they try that one already?
Submitted by downerSTAIN (user info) at 2004-10-29 07:55:43 EDT (#)
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Socialism sounds like a cheap cop out from capitalism to me. "Oh, all the rich people have everything, they just fuck me and I don't get anything!" Boo hoo, just because you're mediocre doesn't mean the system is wrong.
But this looks like it took some effort, and you seem to at least not be a retard. So +2.
Submitted by toddska (user info) at 2004-10-29 07:20:35 EDT (#)
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Stin. Will be Manchester which can be a whole weekend of fun and no sleep. I thoroughly recommend it as the place to party. Leave your brain cells at home with the Ten Commandments...go forth and be hedonistic.
There are false idols to be worshipped everywhere you look in dirty old Manc....and im off to hell when the body can take no more.
Submitted by Stin (user info) at 2004-10-29 07:14:02 EDT (#)
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Exceptionally filthy capitalist Toddska. I believe that if you want money you should pissing well get off your backside and earn it.
I'm also a fairly filthy person, but that's for another post!
Shame you can't make it this weekend, have fun getting pissed somwehere else :o)
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2004-10-29 07:10:28 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/49615
-2die. If you are 20 and not a liberal, you are heartless. If you are 40 and not a conservative, you are brainless.
Submitted by toddska (user info) at 2004-10-29 07:08:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Stin (user info) at 2004-10-29 06:57:39 (#)
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GodChicken, as ever, hits the nail on the head. "I'm a filthy capitalist"...
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Really? How filthy Stin? Tell dr toddska all about it....
I cant come to Ubercon UK unfortuantely which is an arse but cant be helped. Im leaving the country soon and every weekend is taken up with drunken frolics saying goodbye to various peops in the UK.
Have a great weekend though.
Submitted by Stin (user info) at 2004-10-29 06:57:39 EDT (#)
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GodChicken, as ever, hits the nail on the head. I'm a filthy capitalist so I don't agree with you in the least, but it was a well written piece.
You could have done more with it, I was just getting onto it when you kinda stopped. However, it was a pretty damn square first post.
Welcome to Uber!
Submitted by toddska (user info) at 2004-10-29 06:55:35 EDT (#)
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Most people when young and at the distinct ends of the political spectrum eventually end up in the centre with a mortgage and that Lexus you were on about.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2004-10-29 06:49:02 EDT (#)
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Holy shit. Someone gave me a positive rating. I rule!
Submitted by toddska (user info) at 2004-10-29 06:45:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2004-10-29 05:54:56 (#)
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Nice advertising attempt, but you really didn't go into a lot of the base principles of socialism, just a lot of finger pointing.
Socialism doesn't work on a large scale basis, too many influences on the economic stability of the group. Inequality will naturally appear, a cold spell kills a crop, and suddenly a section of society no longer has access to what they need.
10,000 years of evolution and greed and envy will still destroy your happy little idea.
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Godchicken is right...political systems and their survival have to be looked at in terms of human evolution. What tickles me though is that one of the most capitalist dog-eat-dog societies around, believing in the business ideal of survival of the fittest, is also probably the most Creationist Christian. How can that be reconciled I wonder. Answer? the christianity is merely a tool to motivate the masses and they have lapped it up like every other societal belief.
I wish George Orwell were around today....although in saying that he would most likely be assassinated.
Submitted by hairycoo (user info) at 2004-10-29 06:07:14 EDT (#)
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BOLLOX
Submitted by Wiggles (user info) at 2004-10-29 06:03:25 EDT (#)
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+2, because people don't realize that socialism isn't as evil as they think.
-2, because it can't work with a large population, and TOTAL elimination of the free market is counterproductive.
Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2004-10-29 05:54:56 EDT (#)
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Nice advertising attempt, but you really didn't go into a lot of the base principles of socialism, just a lot of finger pointing.
Socialism doesn't work on a large scale basis, too many influences on the economic stability of the group. Inequality will naturally appear, a cold spell kills a crop, and suddenly a section of society no longer has access to what they need.
10,000 years of evolution and greed and envy will still destroy your happy little idea.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2004-10-29 05:39:37 EDT (#)
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DeathJester. She's Korean, and yes she's sucking my nipple cause thats the way I like it!
Submitted by funk_boy (user info) at 2004-10-29 05:36:12 EDT (#)
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I quit my wanky job on Monday.
Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2004-10-29 05:34:47 EDT (#)
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Is that some gook whore sucking on your nipple or something? The jet-black straight hair gives it away.
ME SUCKY SUCKY!
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2004-10-29 05:22:15 EDT (#)
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fuckface just made me shoot Nozz-a-la out of my nose
They're like long lost brothers or something
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2004-10-29 05:20:41 EDT (#)
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