Election - does it really matter?? (748 hits)
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Submitted by landyuk (View user info) at 2004-11-03 09:31:04 EST
Presidential election this and presidential election that.....
who really fucking cares??
I'm English and over here we're giving it far too much airtime if you ask me. What difference is really going to make if Kerry is President? He's got 4 years to correct all of Bush's mistakes right?
Fuck no.
To do that he'd have to solve everyone's problems because one way or another they all link back to America.
What do you lot expect one man to do? Do you think Kerry is really going to do all the things he promised you in his for election?
Again, fuck no!!
Politicians tell you what you want to hear. Kerry tells you that you need to get Bush out of the White House for a better America, but he's not going to say the opposite is he...
Don't be so gullable into thinking that reelecting Bush, or Dubya as you call him, would be such a bad thing. Due to the close election, he will probably not be as insane and irratic in his decisions.
Think of it this way, at least he has four years of experience as being President, how many does John Kerry have?
If, and I reitterate IF, he gets reelected then deal with it - don't say that there'll be more terrorism and America will fall apart etc etc. It would happen if Kerry was in the White House anyway....
you're still the same country and there's more of you than him!
Now shut up!!!
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Submitted by Millie_Grace (user info) at 2004-11-03 12:34:58 EST (#)
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Stin,
I never said you were ignorant, what I said was that this post was ignorant.
I think most can agree that ranting about the election and its process in such a way
is not showing you're true intelligence. WLYI said I was intolerant, which i can agree with.
I have read some of his other posts and I agree with some of them a well, even though i think they would be much more effective with out the emotional influence, but he does know his info. I think that too many post on this issue are written without any actual knowledge on the subject. Personally, I am worried for this country with Bush remaining in office and a republican senant...especially for the women in this country and their rights. It makes me very upset how many of the voters base their decision because of their religious opinions, and not upon who would be better to keep America a free nation. Freedom to choose....freedom to speak, like we all are doing here today.
Submitted by Stin (user info) at 2004-11-03 12:17:49 EST (#)
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Millie Grace, we're not all ignorant.
I have as much right to an opinion on your election as anyone else. The only difference is that I cannot vote in it. As long as mine is an informed position, I an entitled to it whether you agree with it or not.
Your election affects my life, both directly and indirectly.
Submitted by Stin (user info) at 2004-11-03 12:15:04 EST (#)
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Sorry for the delay; unfortunately I do have to work occasionally!
I'm not exaggerating Landy.
Take as an example the European Working Time Directive, since it's one I've already mentioned. At the moment, we as individuals can chose to opt in or out. In March next year, it becomes mandatory to obey it, and it means that drivers will not be allowed, by law, to work more than 48 hours a week. Most work 60+, as the overtime bridges the pay gap between what they ear and what they need to live on. That will affect our haulage industry hugely. It means that wages will have to go up to compensate for the loss of overtime. More drivers, different shift patterns, more traffic on the roads, greater fossil fuel usage.... all implications of ONE piece of legislation, affected by our position in Europe.
With the introduction of the new constitution, our right to veto becomes much weaker.
Our position in Europe is not good at the moment anyway. We joined forces with Bush fighting a war about which there is still some debate of its legality, a war which the UN was not convinced about, and there was little European support for. Our position in Europe is fragile at the moment, and that is a direct consequence of our affiliation with George Bush.
I'm a staunch Conservative, so I'm never going to agree with you on Blair by the sounds of things. Whatever my view was on the war in Iraq before we went, we did go and we now have a duty to continue until such time that it is no longer viable. However, GW says "we need your troops in more dangerous places", and Our Tone sends them. If Bush wants to get on with his war, that's fine. I thought we were there as peacekeepers, not to send the Black Watch back up to Baghdad.
Granted, PM is not an easy job. But I don't think he's done the best job he could have done. I didn't vote for him last time, I won't be voting for him next year.
Michael Howard for PM.
Submitted by Adereterial (user info) at 2004-11-03 11:52:48 EST (#)
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You know, this has got to be one of the most ignorant things I have ever read.
The reason it matters, and the reason we should care, is because this is the most powerful and influential nations in the world, and it's electorate cannot or will not elect a man suitable to lead it. Nor will the people stand up and reject the president, his actions, and the system which allowed him the Presidency in the first place.
Whatever you may say about Tony Blair, he is at least intelligent, educated, and suitable for a position of such responsibility.
The rest of the world rightly takes a great deal of interest in the domestic actions of those countries known to abuse the democratic protess and human rights - however it has ignored these same abuses in America, and more. It is time that we held America to higher standards.
The election result is a disgrace. If nothing else, it proves that the American electoral system is inappropriate and far too open to abuse. I would go as far as saying that it proves that the American electorate are far too easily influenced by propaganda.
Submitted by WhoLetYouIn (user info) at 2004-11-03 11:51:39 EST (#)
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Submitted by Millie_Grace (user info) at 2004-11-03 11:44:49 (#)
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well that explains it....your only 19.
Wow. bringing age into it? PLEASE tell me why you're so much more justified in your awesomely cogent opinions. They are opinions, right? I'm dying to know why you're so much better than everyone else.
Submitted by Millie_Grace (user info) at 2004-11-03 11:44:49 EST (#)
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well that explains it....your only 19.
Submitted by WhoLetYouIn (user info) at 2004-11-03 11:38:42 EST (#)
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"Did I hit a nerve? Lemme guess....your not from a "liberal/cultured" state. And your exactly right, I AM intolerant, especially about the ignorance from brits who think they have a clue how this country runs or how important this election is to the AMERICANS who live in it. "
Actually, I'm from New York.
See <a href="http://www.ubersite.com/m/36233"></a>
I just can't stand to see jack booted jerks assume that they know things. Sniff my ass.
Submitted by Millie_Grace (user info) at 2004-11-03 11:09:45 EST (#)
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Submitted by WhoLetYouIn (user info) at 2004-11-03 09:58:26 (#)
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Submitted by Millie_Grace (user info) at 2004-11-03 09:47:58 (#)
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i can't even comment on this, it might be the
most ignorant thing i have read on uber. if you
lived in america you would probably live in one
of the midwestern states. thank god you don't.
Now, if you think because you're from one of the eastern/western coast "liberal" or "cultured" states, would you be the better person to insult where someone comes from? not too enlightened if you ask me. In fact, you sound like a damn intolerant yokel.
Did I hit a nerve? Lemme guess....your not from a "liberal/cultured" state. And your exactly right, I AM intolerant, especially about the ignorance from brits who think they have a clue how this country runs or how important this election is to the AMERICANS who live in it.
Submitted by RyuFu (user info) at 2004-11-03 10:55:50 EST (#)
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Yes, yes it does matter. Don't have time to explain all the reasons why--other responders have done an admirable job.
Oh, and an American-based website forum is more than likely going to keep discussing The Election for a while.
Submitted by landyuk (user info) at 2004-11-03 10:52:35 EST (#)
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Yes, but I think that you are exagerating...those side effects can't happen that easily...the EC have their own mind and that affects our position in Europe more than America does...and I think Brits need to give Tony Blair more credit because he's had a fucking tough job over the past year and a half or so and I think everyone is hard on him...
at the end of the day...no matter what he did...there is always someone else who claims that he did it wrong, but what would they do in his position? I believe he makes his decisions for the right reasons and I stand by him for that. He is doing the same as any other PM we've had, but the scenario has changed about, but the system hasn't.
Submitted by Stin (user info) at 2004-11-03 10:49:26 EST (#)
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Sorry, appalling typos in there.
Submitted by Stin (user info) at 2004-11-03 10:48:20 EST (#)
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Landy, it will affect me in numerous ways.
Trade laws affect the economy and therefore my wages.
I'm joining the military - it will have a large inpact on my life.
Tony Blair not wanting to upset the applecart with GW will affect our foreign policies.
Being in America's pocket affects our position in Europe, and weakens it.
That in turn means that Europe have greater powers to force on us things like the Working Time Directive. That's going to push up the price of haulage and therefore the rpice of the food on our supermarket shelves.
Little things have wide-reaching implications beyond those which are immediate, and they worry me.
Submitted by landyuk (user info) at 2004-11-03 10:43:14 EST (#)
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I see the point that you are trying to make Stin, but tell me, how is it going to affect you or ayone you knwo personally?
Submitted by Stin (user info) at 2004-11-03 10:27:39 (#)
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Landy, US politics does not just affect the US. Unfortunately the choice of president has rather a large impact of a large proportion of the world. Which means that those of us who are fortunate enough (yes, that's right - fortunate) not to be American have every right to an informed opinion.
I can't tell the US how to vote in their own elections, but I am entitled to be concerned about the results of that same election because of how they will affect not only my country, but the wider social and political climate of the world.
The best thing we can do, as Brits, is vote out Blair so that we don't become a satellite state. I think you're naive if you don't think that this election has an impact on us here in the UK.
Submitted by DJMattB241 (user info) at 2004-11-03 10:41:52 EST (#)
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Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2004-11-03 10:39:11 (#)
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So do you actually think about what your writing, or is this just another form of diahrrea of the mouth?
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i think this is the first time adamdidit and i have ever agreed on anything.
you are a fucktard.
Adam, want a beer?
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2004-11-03 10:40:13 EST (#)
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I take it thinking isn't your strong suit?
Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2004-11-03 10:39:11 EST (#)
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So do you actually think about what your writing, or is this just another form of diahrrea of the mouth?
Submitted by Stin (user info) at 2004-11-03 10:27:39 EST (#)
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Landy, US politics does not just affect the US. Unfortunately the choice of president has rather a large impact of a large proportion of the world. Which means that those of us who are fortunate enough (yes, that's right - fortunate) not to be American have every right to an informed opinion.
I can't tell the US how to vote in their own elections, but I am entitled to be concerned about the results of that same election because of how they will affect not only my country, but the wider social and political climate of the world.
The best thing we can do, as Brits, is vote out Blair so that we don't become a satellite state. I think you're naive if you don't think that this election has an impact on us here in the UK.
Submitted by rhi at 2004-11-03 10:21:04 EST (#)
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Just for the record, the first Random Joe is me, I don't have an account.
The one who called you a Brit fagboy is not me. I'd have come up with a much more imaginative insult than that.
Submitted by landyuk (user info) at 2004-11-03 10:13:37 EST (#)
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Listen 'Random I'm too scared to sign in Joe', don't even begin to start the whole America is better than England debate bcos we'll get nowhere....you are the ones who have (most likely) reelected a person you hate so don't look to us to take out your frustrations!
Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-11-03 10:07:13 EST (#)
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Fuck you, you rotten toothed Brit fagboy.
Submitted by WhoLetYouIn (user info) at 2004-11-03 10:01:54 EST (#)
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"Did I say anything about a draft? I said "suckers." "
Well, I feel if you decide to major in finance or marketing you're a sucker. different sides of the same coin. Didn't read into your comment, my bad.
Submitted by landyuk (user info) at 2004-11-03 10:01:40 EST (#)
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I couldn't agree with this more - my cousin went out to Iraq 3 weeks ago because he signed up for the army about a year ago now....when I asked him if he was scared he said no because he's trained to do it and people who join the army do so because they WANT to fight - you don't join the army if you think war is wrong.
What the fuck do you think an army is for?flower arranging????
Submitted by WhoLetYouIn (user info) at 2004-11-03 09:56:37 (#)
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Listen. there was no draft. People that were "sent out" did so because it's their JOB.
they voluntarily signed up for the military. Jeez. Now, if bushs' daughters don't have guts, that's their problem. they have to sleep with that at night. However, don't fucking slam down soldiers for fighting if fighting is their job. Reagrdless of the battles, it is their job...
*shrug*
Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-11-03 10:00:11 EST (#)
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Submitted by WhoLetYouIn:
Listen. there was no draft. People that were "sent out" did so because it's their JOB.
Did I say anything about a draft? I said "suckers."
Submitted by WhoLetYouIn (user info) at 2004-11-03 09:58:26 EST (#)
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Submitted by Millie_Grace (user info) at 2004-11-03 09:47:58 (#)
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i can't even comment on this, it might be the
most ignorant thing i have read on uber. if you
lived in america you would probably live in one
of the midwestern states. thank god you don't.
Now, if you think because you're from one of the eastern/western coast "liberal" or "cultured" states, would you be the better person to insult where someone comes from? not too enlightened if you ask me. In fact, you sound like a damn intolerant yokel.
Submitted by WhoLetYouIn (user info) at 2004-11-03 09:56:37 EST (#)
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Listen. there was no draft. People that were "sent out" did so because it's their JOB.
they voluntarily signed up for the military. Jeez. Now, if bushs' daughters don't have guts, that's their problem. they have to sleep with that at night. However, don't fucking slam down soldiers for fighting if fighting is their job. Reagrdless of the battles, it is their job...
*shrug*
Submitted by rhi at 2004-11-03 09:53:54 EST (#)
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Submitted by landyuk:
at the end of the day I quite like Bush...
why can't you be proud to have a leader who is prepared to take action even if he gets shot down for it
Shot down? If Bush was actually in danger instead of the young dumb suckers he sends out, this comment might have some merit. Maybe we should vote to send his daughters to Iraq to man the fuel tanks or drop the missiles. I bet he'll sing a different tune then.
Submitted by landyuk (user info) at 2004-11-03 09:50:36 EST (#)
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at the end of the day I quite like Bush...
why can't you be proud to have a leader who is prepared to take action even if he gets shot down for it - who else caught Saddam Hussein??
He rescued Pakis when he didnt need to....what kind natured man I say!
Submitted by Millie_Grace (user info) at 2004-11-03 09:47:58 EST (#)
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i can't even comment on this, it might be the
most ignorant thing i have read on uber. if you
lived in america you would probably live in one
of the midwestern states. thank god you don't.
Submitted by WhoLetYouIn (user info) at 2004-11-03 09:46:33 EST (#)
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It's a team effort. Get upset if you were supporting Kerry but get the fuck over it. I DOUBT Kerry will give a shit about his constituents more than the bigwigs heading the democrats...
I'm on a reviewing spree. whee
Submitted by JohnnyACDC (user info) at 2004-11-03 09:46:12 EST (#)
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"THeres more of you than him!"
wow...yes...but those "You's" don't control the senate and the whitehouse, and the army....
congratulations...youve said the stupidest thing I've read today
Submitted by AlwaysAnEagle (user info) at 2004-11-03 09:45:41 EST (#)
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Submitted by rhi at 2004-11-03 09:36:31 (#)
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It's not that I actually think there would be a practical difference between Kerry and Bush. I would have voted for Nader if I didn't live in a swing state. It's that I am sick and tired of being represented to the world by a retarded cowboy wannabe figurehead, and foreigners like you talking to me like I am personally responsible for him.
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Submitted by rhi at 2004-11-03 09:43:40 EST (#)
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Submitted by landyuk:
I'm not on about online....how many people have you seen on t.v. saying they support bush compared to the amount for Kerry...it doesn't make sense
I've seen way more Bush supporters on TV than Kerry supporters.
Submitted by landyuk (user info) at 2004-11-03 09:41:32 EST (#)
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I'm not on about online....how many people have you seen on t.v. saying they support bush compared to the amount for Kerry...it doesn't make sense
Submitted by rhi at 2004-11-03 09:39:20 EST (#)
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Submitted by landyuk:
Practically every American seems to hate bush...hmmmm..then why is he doing so well?
People online say that a lot. What they're forgetting is that a lot of Americans don't spend a lot of time online chatting about politics. You're only getting the educated, middle- to upper-class end of the scale.
Submitted by JMG114 (user info) at 2004-11-03 09:38:15 EST (#)
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"Due to the close election, he will probably not be as insane and irratic in his decisions."
Just like last time...
Submitted by landyuk (user info) at 2004-11-03 09:37:27 EST (#)
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Practically every American seems to hate bush...hmmmm..then why is he doing so well?
Submitted by rhi at 2004-11-03 09:36:31 EST (#)
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It's not that I actually think there would be a practical difference between Kerry and Bush. I would have voted for Nader if I didn't live in a swing state. It's that I am sick and tired of being represented to the world by a retarded cowboy wannabe figurehead, and foreigners like you talking to me like I am personally responsible for him.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2004-11-03 09:32:55 EST (#)
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A pity +2. You're going to get shelled.