Bush stole the election? (1821 hits)
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Submitted by Nobb (View user info) at 2004-11-08 00:39:20 EST
This is just something that has come to my attention and I think it's important for all of you to take a look and decide for yourselves what to make of it. I'm sure many of you have heard about the problems with the electronic voting machines, the most important being that they leave no paper trail. However I had no idea how much of an implication it ended up having. If this is true, America and most likely soon the world, no longer has democracy. Take a look.
http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_crime&Number=293078189&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part=
Also, incase you don't click on the links in the thread, this is probably the most educating of them.
http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_crime&Number=293078189&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part=
Take a look, is it truth? is it bullshit? Looks true to me, wouldn't surprise me at all either, but I think it's of interest to all.
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Submitted by fluff (user info) at 2005-12-27 08:44:06 EST (#)
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Nice retaliatory -2 by the way.
Submitted by fluff (user info) at 2005-12-13 17:30:15 EST (#)
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Now this was some educating content you presented there.
BY YOURSELF!
stupid links I can find for myself!
Submitted by knucklesnelson (user info) at 2005-09-06 21:52:58 EDT (#)
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Wow you really suck, no wonder you dont post that much.
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Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2005-03-29 23:35:34 EST (#)
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Yes, but you came onto my post -2d it for no apparent reason, on the same night i've been chain -2d on all my posts. Excuse me if I go and -2 one of your posts for no reason. Maybe I decided to check you out since you felt the need to -2 me, read your post decided I didn't like it and gave it a -2.
Submitted by Degreeless_Capibara (user info) at 2005-03-29 19:00:10 EST (#)
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In all those reviews, none have been a -2 in retaliation to a -2 on my post.
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2005-03-29 18:42:29 EST (#)
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Dunno if you realise, or if you are talking about yourself, but you've written 6000+ reviews, that's a hell of a lot more than me. You've also posted many more times than I have. You also frequent it far more often. How retarded are you to try and say I have no life outside of these forums? Jesus christ what a moron.
Submitted by Degreeless_Capibara (user info) at 2005-03-29 17:28:12 EST (#)
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Oh, excuse me. I didn't realize you're a retard incapable of achieving a social life outside this forum.
Submitted by Degreeless_Capibara (user info) at 2005-03-29 17:05:26 EST (#)
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Williamson's a cool chap, even if he does get scammed while playing AO.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-03-29 16:56:17 EST (#)
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Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2005-03-29 06:45:31 (#)
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Also, just wondering why train -2d all my posts and you were kind enough to +2 all of them?
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I myself have been -2nami'ed by two guys and an alter or two. It pissed me off to no end. I didn't deserve it and neither do you.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-03-29 00:40:34 EST (#)
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Fuck nuking, Freight.
Submitted by Freight_Train (user info) at 2005-03-29 00:18:53 EST (#)
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Submitted by nrduncan (user info) at 2005-03-25 22:34:43 EST (#)
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Submitted by Danger_Ranger (user info) at 2005-03-14 08:31:32 EST (#)
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finder's keepers.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-03-14 08:01:24 EST (#)
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fuck off and die.
Submitted by downerSTAIN (user info) at 2004-11-11 21:13:32 EST (#)
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Submitted by PissedOffRightWingerWithAGun (user info) at 2004-11-09 12:55:27 (#)
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...god, you're a fucking moron.
At first I thought all the stuff about voter fraud was just the democrats whining, but if you actually fucking READ (which you obviously can't do) into it you see that it's mostly legit complaints.
Submitted by SAECULUM.AUREUM (user info) at 2004-11-11 20:54:21 EST (#)
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In hopes that you will read this....
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2004-11-09 15:03:48 (#)
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I've been reading up on a lot of this shit lately, there's just too much to take in. Have you read about how the rothschild's have taken over money? It's fucking incredible, you have to laugh about it or you might cry.
I used to think all this shit was just bullshit conspiracy theory, but when you read it for yourself in todays society, it all just seems so obvious. People will wake up one day, their greed will be their downfall, they'll get what's coming to them. I'm sure they're all amazed they've pulled it off this long.
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YES! My good gentlemen. It is only going to be a short period from this moment, when the currencies of the world will most likely experience a collapse of value and a new "global currency" will be issued. This is indeed no conspiracy, it is very much a fact that the currency exchanges are completely being manipulated. As of RIGHT NOW there is a major shift of capital investment occurring, as the Europeans are trying to accommodate for the US dollar. It is a fact that most of the printed money in this world is drasticly over valued. There is much to be read on this matter, and many are very blunt about there solutions...
...I hope the world wakes up from their slumber, although I would imagine that the delights of the consumer culture have made most blind. Who gives a shit about how and where their pay checks really come from? I mean, they should be grateful that they're employed. After all, they didn't really learn anything during their "public education", did they?
Submitted by UlfGabe (user info) at 2004-11-10 22:42:28 EST (#)
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+2 for me knowing whats behind the links without looking.
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Here is a prime example of an uneducated ignorant liberal democrat who has nothing better to do than insult our country and the way it is run. The people have spoken on who they want as president and they did it on a much larger scale then in the election of 2000. 40,000,000 more people voted in this election and there was an overwhelming support for bush, even in the "democratic states" Bush had a strong base of supporters. As for the claim that Bush rigged the election there is no possible way that could happen. In the current system voters each go to their voting site within a larger district, the results from that site are sent to the voting district, that districts votes are each counted and sent in to the state level, who then compiles the votes and sends the results out nationaly. To fix the election it would require tremendousmanpower that not even the president could muster. Each individual voting station would be required to be "Fixed" to give a candidate the advantage and as i previously stated this is physicaly impossible. In addition to that we had international observers watching over the election and even they said that this was a fair, DEMOCRATIC election, and that the results were completly accurate.
So quit your whining and accept the results, Americans have spoken and you were in the minority. Bush will remain in office for another four years and there is nothing that can be done about it unless he breaks the law like Nixon or that inbred hick Clinton did. You are simply mad that you did not get your way and are pouting about it like some little two year old. So go complain to your congressman or woman and see if they care anymore than I do. Look at the reality and the truth shall set you free of your ignorant democratic bonds.----
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the problem here, is not the fact that bush won, but the fact that if VOTEs are counted/manipulated in any way shape or form, then the system doesnt work.
AS A TEST FOR THE SYSTEM a recount should always be held.
NOT AS A TEST FOR WHO SHOULD 'REALLY' BE PRESIDENT,
also, to poke some holes in your arguments, some counties use central TABULATING MACHHINES which operate over the internet. (each station sends their votes to the tabluating machine, which adds them)
THE DATABASE FOR THESE tabluating machines is based on ACCESS (which is in my and many other peoples opinions, not a secure database)
there is the possibility of tampering, and people do not want to have to look at it.
in areas where Bush/Kerry difference was less than lets say . . . 2$ of the votes, check how many people were actually voting, and how many ruined, or changed votes would have made the difference.
Some states the numbers were around 10,000 votes. in 3 polling stations a crooked operator, or hack, or bad machine could have made the difference. THE KEY LOCATIONS ARE THE ONES THAT NEED TO BE HIT, like swing states, not anywhere else.
Learn about the aggressive pollsters who pounce on the other teams voters, disqualifying them.
Learn about how the punch machines, and vote recounters can swing votes as much as 40% to one side or another. Learn about how holes in the microsoft system can be used to manipulate votes.
Learn and think before you talk, you ignorant bastard.
Submitted by Durae (user info) at 2004-11-10 00:33:57 EST (#)
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Fight the good fight. =/
Submitted by CoachMagirk27 (user info) at 2004-11-09 15:14:39 EST (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/50798
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Anyone else sick of election posts?
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2004-11-09 15:05:53 EST (#)
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Please tell me someone else gets the irony of what 'rightwingerwithagun' just said. That's gotta be one of the most retarded replies i've ever seen. Considering we're talking about voting fraud, how can you try to discredit it without any evidence, against contrary evidence, by saying that more people vote for Bush and it was a fair and democratic election. Jesus man, I don't think you should be calling people ignorant if you don't even know what's going on around you.
Submitted by PissedOffRightWingerWithAGun (user info) at 2004-11-09 12:55:27 EST (#)
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Here is a prime example of an uneducated ignorant liberal democrat who has nothing better to do than insult our country and the way it is run. The people have spoken on who they want as president and they did it on a much larger scale then in the election of 2000. 40,000,000 more people voted in this election and there was an overwhelming support for bush, even in the "democratic states" Bush had a strong base of supporters. As for the claim that Bush rigged the election there is no possible way that could happen. In the current system voters each go to their voting site within a larger district, the results from that site are sent to the voting district, that districts votes are each counted and sent in to the state level, who then compiles the votes and sends the results out nationaly. To fix the election it would require tremendousmanpower that not even the president could muster. Each individual voting station would be required to be "Fixed" to give a candidate the advantage and as i previously stated this is physicaly impossible. In addition to that we had international observers watching over the election and even they said that this was a fair, DEMOCRATIC election, and that the results were completly accurate.
So quit your whining and accept the results, Americans have spoken and you were in the minority. Bush will remain in office for another four years and there is nothing that can be done about it unless he breaks the law like Nixon or that inbred hick Clinton did. You are simply mad that you did not get your way and are pouting about it like some little two year old. So go complain to your congressman or woman and see if they care anymore than I do. Look at the reality and the truth shall set you free of your ignorant democratic bonds.
Submitted by SAECULUM.AUREUM (user info) at 2004-11-09 10:09:13 EST (#)
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Alarming
Submitted by Quasiplasmohedron (user info) at 2004-11-08 22:20:32 EST (#)
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Submitted by mikethescottish (user info) at 2004-11-08 03:08:15 (#)
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This is slightly concerning- but at the same time, there are a lot of conspiracy hypotheses abounding: fact is, three million is a fairly large number of votes to rig, and I just don't buy into it.
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No, 3 million is not a large number to rig when you are talking about central counting computers (that run Windows, by the way) which are readily accessble by phone line.
But that's not even the point. The fact that these systems allow fraud to occur and that fraud is occuring should be a huge concern to everyone, whichever party you support. In fact, anybody who stood in line to vote should be fucking pissed that their vote may well not have counted.
If the voting process consisted of telling some guy behind a curtain who you wanted to vote for and him marking the ballot for you without you being able to verify which candidate he marked, would you consider that appropriate? Computerized voting is exactly the same, except that there isn't even a paper trail.
READ THIS: http://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=950&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
Submitted by Quartermain (user info) at 2004-11-08 19:34:34 EST (#)
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**What you have, quartermain, is called a strawman argument. A strawman argument is something that people (usually republicans) use to refute a valid argument. You pick out something that is incorrect from the body of work, and claim that the whole argument is flawed because of it.**
Proper names are usually capitalised, Gig. It's not a strawman argument at all. I would think that if you are claiming to be so much more intelligent and urbane than, what was it, oh yeah, the 'stupid bastards' and 'farm fucks' who can't read, that your inability to spell even elementary words such 'vicious' would seem to belie your argument. And as such, I pointed it out.
**I'm so stupid that I got two bachelors degrees and a masters from Tufts and Uconn in just five years because I'm so dumb!**
The fact that you have college degrees says nothing about your actual intelligence. What you have, Gig, is called a 'false corollary.' A false corollary is something that people (usually bitter election losers that claim extraordinary intelligence and yet seem unable to master the finer points of the English language such as spelling or the capitalisation of proper names)use in a mistaken attempt to bolster a sagging argument. You pick out a fact, and try to use it as proof of something unrelated.
For example 'Bush won the election' therefore 'he must have cheated' is a false corollary as is 'I have college degrees' therefore I must be intelligent.
It is bullshit, and people with intelligence see through it.
Submitted by InkyFingers (user info) at 2004-11-08 17:02:17 EST (#)
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At this point I've complained about the election so much that I'm running out of things to say. I've been drained of everything but my inflections on being outraged.
Wow, I sure was angry when I found out Bush won.
Wow, I sure was shocked at how America voted.
Luckily, I won't have to worry about whether Bush won or lost for long. Because the rest of the world will surely nuke our ape-like society, then use the glowing land mass, "United Stupid", as an industrial waste dumping ground.
Serves us right.
Submitted by Zandy1123 (user info) at 2004-11-08 15:40:32 EST (#)
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Munkey - I can't seem to find the quote you're talking about. I remember someone just telling me the other day about that same quote. However, I've found numerous instances of prior Bush quotes stating similar things, but they do not single-out democrats. Most of the quotes are along the lines of "you are either with me or against me."
Submitted by munkeypants (user info) at 2004-11-08 15:08:00 EST (#)
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I am curious. my brother told me that bush said about the democrats
"now that I have been re-elected you are either with me or I will leave you
behind"
I can't find this anywhere and i am curious if this is true.
has anyone else heard this?
Submitted by munkeypants (user info) at 2004-11-08 15:06:46 EST (#)
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Submitted by 1Point21Gigawatts (user info) at 2004-11-08 12:22:13 (#)
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Fuck Bush. Even if he didn't rig the election (which he did) he was still elected by morons. Seriously, spend some time in the rural part of this country and talk to the ignorant, racist bastards that elected him. Terrible.
Someone made a really good point - the issues that got Bush elected don't even effect the stupid bastards who voted. Gay Marriage, Abortion, Terrorism, Stem Cell Research, Healthcare, the shitty economy - these are issues we deal with everyday in the city. NYC, DC, LA, Chi-town, Boston - these are places where gay people live, terrorists bomb buildings, stem cell research is funded and studied, people have sex (and therefore need abortions), and jobs don't exist.
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yup
the last time the country was split like this we had a civil war.
Submitted by Zandy1123 (user info) at 2004-11-08 14:52:33 EST (#)
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Submitted by Trion (user info) at 2004-11-08 14:41:02 (#)
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I must agree with Monarch, the election is over, no use in complaining about it now.
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Who's complaining? I don't see any complaining.
I see questions being asked - what's the harm in that?
Submitted by Trion (user info) at 2004-11-08 14:41:02 EST (#)
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I must agree with Monarch, the election is over, no use in complaining about it now.
Submitted by Zandy1123 (user info) at 2004-11-08 14:29:32 EST (#)
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Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2004-11-08 12:53:49 (#)
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Kerry conceded.
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Submitted by Monarch (user info) at 2004-11-08 12:48:13 (#)
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Bush/Kerry + Election = -2
It's OVER. Stop writing about it.
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Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2004-11-08 12:42:06 (#)
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Get over it.
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You see...these responses get to the heart of the problem. As long as there's new information surfacing, why should WE give up? Why should WE concede? Why should we "get over it?"
You're essentially telling everyone to stop asking questions, stop searching for answers, stop seeking the truth...which is essentially the same as saying "relinquish this thing called democracy."
I will not. I refuse. I will not 'get over it' until someone proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt that foul-play wasn't involved in the election.
Just imagine for a second that this stuff is true; that Bush's brother worked out this deal to get the bid for the electronic voting machines. Imagine, just for a second, that this electronic system was INTENTIONALLY programmed to give Bush the advantage. Doesn't this possibility bother you in the least?!? Doesn't it bother you that your 'elected' leaders might be LYING to the entire U.S. population?
Don't you see the problems here? Why can't you admit that foul-play could very well be involved here?!? Some of you are just so eager to believe Bush or Cheney or news reports or whatever...rather than simply asking a question.
If you're a good American, you continue to ask questions - you continue to DEMAND answers. So many of our citizens just accept what we're fed, without question...why?
WHY? HOW? WHO? WHEN? WHERE?
KEEP ASKING!!!!!!
Submitted by 1Point21Gigawatts (user info) at 2004-11-08 14:22:37 EST (#)
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Submitted by Quartermain (user info) at 2004-11-08 14:03:56 (#)
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Way to go with your news flash election post there, pal. What's your next post going to be on, how Michael Moore is releasing this new movie that criticises the Bush administration?
**It's a viscous cycle, the republicans keep you stupid and you keep them in office. Idiots.**
If you're going to insult people's intelligence, you might want to make sure that all the words in your insult are spelled correctly. I think that the phrase you are fumbling for like a thalidomide baby with butter on his flippers trying to find a light switch in the dark is 'vicious circle.' A 'viscous cycle' is what you get when you crash a Harley into a vat of industrial lubricant.
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Oh yeah I'm real stupid! Oh I'm so uneducated! Every word needs to be spelled right or else you're a moron! I'm so stupid that I got two bachelors degrees and a masters from Tufts and Uconn in just five years because I'm so dumb! I kant spel!
What you have, quartermain, is called a strawman argument. A strawman argument is something that people (usually republicans) use to refute a valid argument. You pick out something that is incorrect from the body of work, and claim that the whole argument is flawed because of it.
It is bullshit, and people with intelligence see through it.
And I did mean to use the word "cycle." Vicious circle and vicious cycle (are you happy I spelled it right?) are interchangable.
Submitted by Quartermain (user info) at 2004-11-08 14:03:56 EST (#)
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Way to go with your news flash election post there, pal. What's your next post going to be on, how Michael Moore is releasing this new movie that criticises the Bush administration?
**It's a viscous cycle, the republicans keep you stupid and you keep them in office. Idiots.**
If you're going to insult people's intelligence, you might want to make sure that all the words in your insult are spelled correctly. I think that the phrase you are fumbling for like a thalidomide baby with butter on his flippers trying to find a light switch in the dark is 'vicious circle.' A 'viscous cycle' is what you get when you crash a Harley into a vat of industrial lubricant.
Submitted by lucid (user info) at 2004-11-08 13:42:41 EST (#)
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Just be thankful GWB doesn't have a son, endure four more years, and hope that he doesn't turn america into a police state and become a dictator.
Submitted by RyuFu (user info) at 2004-11-08 13:28:03 EST (#)
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I just shrug my shoulders at this point, dude.
Submitted by Zandy1123 (user info) at 2004-11-08 13:20:26 EST (#)
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not surprised at all if this is true
Submitted by razmataz73 (user info) at 2004-11-08 13:18:31 EST (#)
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the election was totally rigged. i am a republican, my family contains all republicans, my boss and workplace is mostly republican...and the majority of us voted for kerry. and then when i look at my liberal school mates...there is no way the election was valid.
Submitted by Kristen (user info) at 2004-11-08 12:59:25 EST (#)
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Submitted by 1Point21Gigawatts (user info) at 2004-11-08 12:22:13 (#)
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Fuck Bush. Even if he didn't rig the election (which he did) he was still elected by morons. Seriously, spend some time in the rural part of this country and talk to the ignorant, racist bastards that elected him. Terrible.
Someone made a really good point - the issues that got Bush elected don't even effect the stupid bastards who voted. Gay Marriage, Abortion, Terrorism, Stem Cell Research, Healthcare, the shitty economy - these are issues we deal with everyday in the city. NYC, DC, LA, Chi-town, Boston - these are places where gay people live, terrorists bomb buildings, stem cell research is funded and studied, people have sex (and therefore need abortions), and jobs don't exist. Out in your shitty farm in Ohio, you don't have to deal with it. Yet you're votes count, and end up fucking over the city folk. Fuck you, farm fucks. Read a book sometime. Oh sorry, most of you probably can't read, because the education system in this country sucks so much. It's a viscous cycle, the republicans keep you stupid and you keep them in office. Idiots.
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Read this: http://www.ubersite.com/m/50493
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2004-11-08 12:53:49 EST (#)
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Kerry conceded.
Submitted by Monarch (user info) at 2004-11-08 12:48:13 EST (#)
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Bush/Kerry + Election = -2
It's OVER. Stop writing about it.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2004-11-08 12:42:06 EST (#)
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Get over it.
Submitted by 1Point21Gigawatts (user info) at 2004-11-08 12:22:13 EST (#)
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Fuck Bush. Even if he didn't rig the election (which he did) he was still elected by morons. Seriously, spend some time in the rural part of this country and talk to the ignorant, racist bastards that elected him. Terrible.
Someone made a really good point - the issues that got Bush elected don't even effect the stupid bastards who voted. Gay Marriage, Abortion, Terrorism, Stem Cell Research, Healthcare, the shitty economy - these are issues we deal with everyday in the city. NYC, DC, LA, Chi-town, Boston - these are places where gay people live, terrorists bomb buildings, stem cell research is funded and studied, people have sex (and therefore need abortions), and jobs don't exist. Out in your shitty farm in Ohio, you don't have to deal with it. Yet you're votes count, and end up fucking over the city folk. Fuck you, farm fucks. Read a book sometime. Oh sorry, most of you probably can't read, because the education system in this country sucks so much. It's a viscous cycle, the republicans keep you stupid and you keep them in office. Idiots.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2004-11-08 12:04:24 EST (#)
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two words :
Exit Polls.
Submitted by Jungle_Jimanee (user info) at 2004-11-08 11:59:55 EST (#)
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Do you want a real good voting machine? Have a ballot that gets saved and gives the user a receipt with a # on it. (The # cannot be traced other than simply to that ballot). Then that user can go on the internet, input the # and see what came up on the ballot. (Random number, not numerical order of any kind). Then someone will know their vote COUNTED.
That's good, I like the idea of a properly complicated form (with watermarks, magnetic strip, thumbprint, blood and semen sample, etc), that will be "torn" in a unique way and will register your vote (possibly witnessed by someone), the voting people get the other half.
You get your number to check on how you voted and you have half a form that definitely and provably belongs to you, to prove that you voted that way.
Any other way of voting without a record, in a sense, proves that it is a sham.
Have a read of this on Muslimedia:
http://www.muslimedia.com/editor179b.htm Facade democracies
http://www.muslimedia.com/us-electflawed.htm the rigged election
Submitted by runninginplace (user info) at 2004-11-08 10:34:12 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Wiggles (user info) at 2004-11-08 09:08:59 EST (#)
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One thing we have to learn is that a democracy doesn't necesarilly equate to a utopia. The majority of people can be just as corrupt and evil as any tin pot dictator.
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Well said, Icarus!
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2004-11-08 08:44:46 EST (#)
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The article is, to put it lightly, biased, but it's not terribly far-fetched... I mean, Senator's Wellstone's convenient plane crash, the convenient 2001 catastrophe that made a retarted failure of a leader look like a national hero, a contrived war, this "support our troops" = send them without body armor to die nonsense... the problem here isn't the symptoms; it's the complacency of the American chattle. In the '60's, there would have been rallies and protests on every campus in America. In the '90's, when they threatened to impeach a president because he got a little BJ, Bush would have been tied to a stake. Now, as long as they're being fed plenty of slogans and sound bites, the American people are more than happy to put more importance on what reality TV show they're watching, or what tattoos they want to put on their ass, than their national, environmental, and international policy. I mean fuck, a war's going on, idiot senators are spouting off about the terrorist bogeyman, the economy's still in the toilet... and what are the morons at the polls most concerned about? The sanctity of marriage. Family values. Tripe and sound bites from the inbred bible belt.
One thing we have to learn is that a democracy doesn't necesarilly equate to a utopia. The majority of people can be just as corrupt and evil as any tin pot dictator.
Submitted by cleanfornow (user info) at 2004-11-08 08:10:10 EST (#)
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Nobb, I have some prime real estate in Florida for sale, interested?
Submitted by lojope (user info) at 2004-11-08 07:46:07 EST (#)
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Submitted by mikethescottish (user info) at 2004-11-08 03:08:15 (#)
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This is slightly concerning- but at the same time, there are a lot of conspiracy hypotheses abounding: fact is, three million is a fairly large number of votes to rig, and I just don't buy into it.
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Agreed, though I'd use the word VERY concerning.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-11-08 07:35:47 EST (#)
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Unfortunately for the whining losers in this country, the number of votes in question never even approached the margins of victory Bush won by. Sorry assholes, he's your president. MOVE ON.
Submitted by mikethescottish (user info) at 2004-11-08 03:08:15 EST (#)
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This is slightly concerning- but at the same time, there are a lot of conspiracy hypotheses abounding: fact is, three million is a fairly large number of votes to rig, and I just don't buy into it.
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2004-11-08 02:52:50 EST (#)
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Hence why I added the question mark.
Also, from what it seems, if this is true, which as I said i'm not sure it is, Kerry could have won. He was WINNING many states on exit polls, not just little towns, if that's true, why the fuck would anyone just 'get over it'? And the explanation that more evangelicals got out and voted this time doesn't stack up, they've always voted everytime. The increased amount of total votes would have almost all been Democrats voting simply to remove Bush.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2004-11-08 02:49:24 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
See what Bart had to say? If you said it you would get a +2. If you want to make an issue out of the voting machines, I agree 100%. If you want to make it an issue that Bush "stole" the election, I have to go with the -2.
Those voting machines suck ass.
Do you want a real good voting machine? Have a ballot that gets saved and gives the user a receipt with a # on it. (The # cannot be traced other than simply to that ballot). Then that user can go on the internet, input the # and see what came up on the ballot. (Random number, not numerical order of any kind). Then someone will know their vote COUNTED.
Blame the states, they are the ones who decide the machines.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2004-11-08 02:22:02 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
My electronic voting machine printed up a paper copy that I could review before casting the vote. This is in Nevada, which had a fairly close race.
Submitted by tech-junkie (user info) at 2004-11-08 02:14:51 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
It was the Democratic party that lobbied to get electronic voting machines in Florida. Kerry lost, get over it
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2004-11-08 02:10:17 EST (#)
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Shit, this just gets worse, honestly, go into the thread and read it.
The exit polls were accurate in every state other than those with electronic voting machines. It's just so fucking obvious.
If Bush won fairly, i'd be upset but i'd get over it. The election from what i've seen, was rigged, and i'm not talking a couple thousand votes, possibly millions.
http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_crime&Number=293078189&page=&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part=5&vc=1&t=0
Read this page if you're only going to read one.
Submitted by Fish3000 (user info) at 2004-11-08 01:31:15 EST (#)
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I have an obligation to +2 everything i do this off of.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/50873
Submitted by Wiggles (user info) at 2004-11-08 01:30:04 EST (#)
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I doubt that Bush would've lost, but the number of "faulty machines" that have spitted out extra votes for Bush is alarming.
There is so much wrong with the voting system we have, and the lack of a paper trail is only a small part of it.
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2004-11-08 01:14:12 EST (#)
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I fucked up the second link.
http://www.senderberl.com/
Read it.
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One of the points is that Bush needed an opponent who wouldn't make an issue of any possibly rigging of the election. He got that and much more in Kerry, who also ran a less than average campaign, destroying Bush should have been as easy as shooting fish in a barrel.
Even if only one vote was rigged, what's to say they can't rig a thousand here, a thousand there, a million in a key state if they need too.
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2004-11-08 01:03:09 EST (#)
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The biggest problem with this is that nobody in the government cares if the machines are accurate. They've consistently shot down any attempts to guarantee the results with a voter verifiable paper trail. They continue to do business with Diebold which is known to have released buggy machines and attempted to hide the errors.
Of course, none of that means the election would have turned out differently if the counts were actually accurate. The three companies that make all the voting machines are headed by supporters of the Republican party, so if there was a systematic bias, it would guaranteed swing that way.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2004-11-08 00:56:37 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Shit, please. It could have been 30K votes and still been not close. Get over it. Nobody cares about it except you and a couple other sore losers.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2004-11-08 00:55:50 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2004-11-08 00:55:33 EST (#)
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It was a lot more than 3000 votes, there were many cases where Bush/Cheney got more votes than there were voters in areas. Also the fact that it went their way every single time.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2004-11-08 00:51:54 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
It is old news, man. 3000 some votes, so what? They figured out the mistake. Earlier in the day there was a mistake that took votes away from Bush. So what?
Touch screens are shit without a physical ballot for accountability. You have to bitch at the state for having those machines and bitch at the federal government for not standardizing all the voting machines (which then will require funding if they get involved and everyone's taxes go up and people bitch too. You just can't win.)
Bush won by alot more than 3K votes so it is pointless. Shit, this was covered days ago.
Submitted by fucktard (user info) at 2004-11-08 00:51:40 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2004-11-08 00:50:32 EST (#)
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What does this have to do with the southern hemisphere? Nothing.
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2004-11-08 00:48:49 EST (#)
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Yes I would have. Why give it up? I don't give a shit who won. This is important.
Submitted by Disektor (user info) at 2004-11-08 00:48:46 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
No Comment
Submitted by youarsoghey (user info) at 2004-11-08 00:48:39 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Sad because nobody cares about the southern hemisphere?
Submitted by SundanceKid (user info) at 2004-11-08 00:44:28 EST (#)
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Kerry conceded, which means:
IT'S FUCKING OVER!
Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2004-11-08 00:44:24 EST (#)
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I wonder if you would've said this if kerry won...
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2004-11-08 00:41:43 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Give it up, man.