rebuplicans vs. logic part 2 (875 hits)
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Submitted by DS<Jeriko2k3.at.yahoo.com> (View user info) at 2004-11-09 04:06:12 EST
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Well you have many facts completely wrong. Number 1 we were attacked on 9/11, which gives us a very real and noble reason to do what we as a country are doing. I'm not going to argue about the screw-ups in Iraq. I know they are there. Yet had we known about what Hitler was going to do beforehand, wouldn't it have been justified to go in before he could do anything. The fact is on this issue, the world as a whole is a better place with out Saddam. George Bush has done a fantastic job with protecting us. He may be a bit bull headed, but you have to be.
John Kerry didn't have it within him to stand for what he believes. Throughout his senate history he has repeatedly been on the wrong side of history. He has no core values to which he stands on. Anyone that watched the last year without bias, (and I say that meaning people who didn't have blind hatred towards Bush) could see that Kerry constantly changed his mind depending on what was going on in the world and whom he was speaking to. Not the kind of leader I want representing us. I wish the Democratic Party had chosen Leberman. Even though he is a bit boring to listen to. He has core unshakable values, and I believe that he would have beaten Bush.
So before you say unsatisfactory performances from Bush. Find one thing that Kerry did that has benefited you and me as Americans. Good luck with that.
I know you would like to blame Christians, as a whole for saying gay marriage is immoral. The debate whether or not someone is "born gay" is still unproven. I firmly believe that yes even though environmental elements can possibly cause someone to become something. I also believe that people who chose that lifestyle usually are looking for some form of acceptance from the same sex that they didn't get. I know there are people that like to experiment just to see. And then there are those who are just mentally disturbed (and that goes for all people.)
If you noticed, all the states that had voted on gay marriage. Every state voted that marriage should be defined as being man and a woman. Do you truly believe that it was only Christians that voted against it? If so you are greatly mistaken. Truth be known, probably only 2% of the entire country hates gays. Yes there are some extremist and of course they are the ones that get the most press sadly. But check your facts. In California, gay marriage is illegal. The people voted on it, and a mayor decides it's his duty to break the law and force upon the people of California his personal belief. How would you fill if the government all of a sudden forced you to believe in one faith, or that you can only do one thing? That my friend is not a democracy. Now next time the law is challenged and it will be, the people will vote on it again.
I want you to know, that is, if you're still reading, that I am not against gay unions. It's the same thing. Oh no you don't have the title "marriage". Last I checked though homosexuality does not benefit society as a whole. You can't continue the species with man/man, woman/woman. And don't say artificial insemination. That's cheating. There is no way that two from the same sex can ever create new life. God, nature, Allah, whatever didn't make it that way.
And continuing with Gay marriage on the whole, if it gets passed, where does it end. I may be going to the extreme here but if we make gay marriage acceptable, then what is to stop men and woman from having multiple marriage partners. But then again that's not to far off. What's to stop people from doing this, in a country that believes in of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Are you going to deny them the right to marry their horse or dog? Are you going to tell them it's immoral? If so isn't that a bit hypocritical of you.
So why am I uneducated because I choose to believe that same sex marriage is wrong. Because I think in the extreme worse case situation. I don't see how you can say that gays aren't getting the same rights as everyone else in the country. Gays get to vote, have to right to work, have the right of freedom of speech. It is quite sad that gays need to add the word marriage to their lifestyle to fill excepted.
User Reviews
Submitted by Jeriko2k3 (user info) at 2004-11-11 20:45:53 EST (#)
Ranking: -1
I'm giving myself a -1 because I mispelled republicans. Steve thanks for reading and giving a positive 1, I really needed it. My beliefs about gay people are not based on supersition, I have no problems with their lifestyle. I'm just sick of people trying to make excuses for the way they are. Somewhere in the last 50 years we lost personal responsiblitiy and choose to blame someone else or something else for what we believe and choose to do. I know why I believe what I believe and I will back up my beliefs if I need to. Whether I'm right or wrong. If I'm wrong I will admit it. But I do not respect people who can't make up their own minds or take responsiblity for their actions.
Submitted by Kristen (user info) at 2004-11-11 07:11:34 EST (#)
Ranking: -1
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2004-11-09 20:34:27 (#)
Ranking: -2
"Find one thing that Kerry did that has benefited you and me as Americans."
He didn't start a holy war in the Middle East and ruin the nation's economy.
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Hmmm...must have been a Kerry imposter that voted yes on authorizing use of military force against Iraq back in October of 2002.
Submitted by UlfGabe (user info) at 2004-11-10 22:50:07 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2004-11-09 20:34:27 (#)
Ranking: -2
"Find one thing that Kerry did that has benefited you and me as Americans."
He didn't start a holy war in the Middle East and ruin the nation's economy.
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+2 on bart
Submitted by dethcow (user info) at 2004-11-10 00:36:35 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
"And don't say artificial insemination. That's cheating."
Gotta love that one. I'm glad you have deduced that being gay is a choice, and that (as you so eloquently pointed out) most people look down upon gays. It therefore logically follows that any sane person would of course choose to be homosexual... after all, being ostracized and socially outcast is just so enviable!
As always, the Christian right is wrong. If you truly want to debate the issue based on logic, first use it to validate your superstitious beliefs, and afterwords I'll be more than happy to listen.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-11-09 23:08:06 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
"All men are created equal."
unless you are gay.
actually, there are plenty of groups that feel disenfranchised, despite that line in the Declaration of Independence, which i believe is the greatest idea mankind has ever produced.
if you think the American Revolution ended back in 1784, you are wrong. there's still plenty of unfinished business and here's a little bit of it, arguing that when a country declares all men are created equal, they had better mean it- http://www.nps.gov/revwar/unfinished_revolution/01_all_men_are_created_equal.html
getting married legally in America is a right, is it not? so if we as human beings living in the United States of America really do believe that we each deserve certain unalienable rights as stated in our Declaration of Independence from a tyranny we disagreed with, denying two males or two females the right to marry nullifies that document. i'm straight, but i do not feel threatened in any way by two members of the same sex being married. when you marry someone, you do it because you love them and want to spend the rest of your life with them, correct? is it impossible for a man or woman to find another man or woman that they love and want to spend the rest of their life with in a legally binding relationship? maybe if you can't possibly wrap your myopic mind around the concept....
Submitted by 10c7c (user info) at 2004-11-09 22:29:21 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
So keep those -2's coming, but please have something intelligent to say back to me.
your too fucking dumb to understand intelligent arguments, despite what you think.
see, we can see through your stupidity, you are like some sort of pathetic animal to us.
put yourself out of your misery with a gun, it is your only hope.
(oh, point it at your head, and make sure the safety is off)
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2004-11-09 20:34:27 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
"Find one thing that Kerry did that has benefited you and me as Americans."
He didn't start a holy war in the Middle East and ruin the nation's economy.
Submitted by stevorino00 (user info) at 2004-11-09 20:29:20 EST (#)
Ranking: 1
shit I had not read it yet when I gave that -2. i will give a 1, because that is probably the most reasonable rebuttle that I have seen so far. but no +2 because i still think im right. It was worth my time reading.
Submitted by stevorino00 (user info) at 2004-11-09 20:25:54 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
well man. since you have received no "-2"s so far, i will give you one right here.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-11-09 19:08:42 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2004-11-09 08:14:15 (#)
Ranking: 1
Ehhh...
As far as the gay marriage issue is concerned, the people have spoken. They can always try to get it back on the ballot again if they think that things have changed any.
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the only positive rating here....
Bob, this time i don't think it's a matter of everyone else being wrong...... sorry.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2004-11-09 18:53:12 EST (#)
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The mayor in question is Gavin Newsom, the mayor of SAN FRANCISCO.
Anybody with any complaints about the gay lifestyle moved away years ago...
Submitted by Jeriko2k3 (user info) at 2004-11-09 15:01:33 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Well thanks for not offering any true arguements out there. I see that since I missuse I word like (fill/feel) or whatever it means that justifies a -2. I don't see how saying gays can't marry is a form of discrimination. Yes I know that gays have fought a hard battle to become excepted and have won. But forcing it down the throat like the Cali Mayor did, and deciding for everyone in his city that it's ok was not democratic. You may say he is a hero, that is your right. Yet what he did was completly illegal. Sorry, there is no way around that. What he should have done was become a champion for it, he should have been out there promoting it through the legislation in order to get things changed. That is how Americans do things. We the people vote and decided. The majority not the minority. Clearly at this the the majority does not want gay marriage. So wait 4 years and try to get it changed again. Peoples mind and opionions do change with time.
As far as Bush goes, I don't believe he lied to us. He and everyone else in the world had the same evidence to look at and all agreed that Saddam was a threat. Now not all acted on it which was their right. When I compared Saddam to Hitler I wasn't saying they were the same persona. Hitler was far crueler. He started a genocide that killed thousands of his own people because of their belief. He wanted to conquer the world. Saddam luckily only killed thousands of his own people and was stopped from doing anything else. My point with that was had we known and acted on attacking Hitler before he did anything wouldn't that be justified. I know that is a shaky arguement. The facts are here, had Saddam been left alone he would have started up his programs again. His country was, and yes still is, a haven for terrorists. He might not have had anything to do personally with 9/11 but his allowing terrorists to train in his country makes him just as guilty. We are far better off without him than with him in power.
Oh to all you wrestling fans out there, I don't watch and Jeriko has nothing to do with Chris Jericho (sp on that) My handle comes from a book I read as a teenager and I've used it for many years. I'm going to assume that most of you think I am a Christian and a Republican. Well on that your right on one of them.
So keep those -2's coming, but please have something intelligent to say back to me.
Submitted by Demolocke (user info) at 2004-11-09 14:42:38 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
No Comment
Submitted by cuberat (user info) at 2004-11-09 14:33:04 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Typical Republican.
By denying homoosexuals the right to be "married" you are basically legalizing discrimination. It is equivalent to the old view that women were the property of their husband, or that they didn't need to vote because they "voted indirectly through their husband".
Now as far as forcing their religion on people, you bring the point that "people other than christians voted against gay marriage". But let's look at the issue of separation of church and state for a moment, shall we?
The views against gay marriage are rooted in religious doctrine. The same goes for the views against abortion. The separation of church and state was instituted in this country so that everyone could practice whatever religion they believe in (within reason). By passing laws against gay marriage, or outlawing abortion, you are legislating a particular view rooted in religious doctrine. The Democrats have expressed the belief that if we hold to the constitution and keep these things legal, then each individual can decide on these on their own, thereby allowing each indivudual to pursue "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".
Additionally, without the anti-Bush sentiment I feel, I truly thought Kerry is a better leader. You cite his change in position as weakness, however, a country as complex as America needs a president who is not afraid to admit he is wrong, and not afraid to change to better do his job. You yourself said Bush is bull-headed. He refuses to admit he is wrong and insted lies to the people to cover his ass. At least Sen. Kerry is man enough to change his mind and not lie about it.
Submitted by dawItsPete (user info) at 2004-11-09 10:20:28 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Conservatives are proving to the world that democracy no longer guarantees freedom.
Submitted by SAECULUM.AUREUM (user info) at 2004-11-09 10:16:06 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
lol
Submitted by Zandy1123 (user info) at 2004-11-09 09:03:49 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
I can only hope this was shenanigans
please...?
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2004-11-09 08:14:15 EST (#)
Ranking: 1
Ehhh...
As far as the gay marriage issue is concerned, the people have spoken. They can always try to get it back on the ballot again if they think that things have changed any.
Submitted by CookieLass (user info) at 2004-11-09 07:13:14 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
-2 based solely on the fact that this fucker can't spell. And we ain't talkin' typos, brotha! Christ on a cracker, Darling... it's "feel," not "fill." Honestly.
Submitted by 10c7c (user info) at 2004-11-09 06:48:44 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
huh? its not real?
Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2004-11-09 06:42:11 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by 10c7c (user info) at 2004-11-09 05:37:37 (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2004-11-09 04:48:29 (#)
Ranking: -2
Jeriko2k3.at.yahoo.com
Like wrestling, eh? I knew there HAD to be a reason you would be this short sighted...
hey dont diss wrestling fans, we aint all this retarded
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My apologies, 10c7c, it was a gross stereotypical generalisation. I was assuming this would be a person who believes it to be real, as he obviously believes all the other tripe forced through his eyes every day anyway.
Submitted by Fr057m0urn3 (user info) at 2004-11-09 06:16:29 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
I'm sick of the whole Saddam-Hitler comparison.
By 1939, Germany was one of the strongest (if not the strongest) powers in Europe. The Wehrmarcht overran France, captured an amazing number of Russians in Barbarossa, and only got its first taste of defeat by the RAF. It required the combined effort of the whole of Europe and America to finally take Hitler out.
By 2003, Saddam had a ragtag army, armed with AK-47s and RPGs, a couple of T-72s, a miserable airforce which never even fought anyway, a economy destroyed by years of sanctions and a populace that hates him more than Bush does. How the hell can this guy even be in the same league as Hitler? I got it, that's because he had WMDs... Oh wait...
Submitted by funk_boy (user info) at 2004-11-09 05:56:08 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Too many wrong, stupid, ignorant opinions in there. Too many people here who are able do a very good job of ripping this apart, mean i can't be arsed. For godsake man, do yourself a favour, and shut the fuck up.
Submitted by 10c7c (user info) at 2004-11-09 05:37:37 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2004-11-09 04:48:29 (#)
Ranking: -2
Jeriko2k3.at.yahoo.com
Like wrestling, eh? I knew there HAD to be a reason you would be this short sighted...
hey dont diss wrestling fans, we aint all this retarded
Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-11-09 05:31:08 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
DS vs. spelling
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-11-09 05:23:26 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
"FUCKIN' FASCIST!"
-The Dude
Submitted by 10c7c (user info) at 2004-11-09 05:21:58 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
i read the opening two lines of this.
if it was a joke or satire, i apologise
otherwise eat a dick you piece of shit
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2004-11-09 05:13:27 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
You deserved another
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2004-11-09 05:13:10 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
As to your beliefs on gays.
If the majority voted to not represent a minority, then that's ok? Push that up a notch. What if people voted in a government and the majority wanted that minority persecuted, is that ok? Another step, what if it became law under the will of the majority to destroy this minority, is this ok?
Maybe we should round up all gays and put them in a gas room in central Austria. Does that sound good to you, Hitler?
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2004-11-09 04:57:47 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-11-09 04:49:22 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
hey, i'm still thinking for myself. i can't help that. i can't just take the red pill. it's not that simple.
but i can still pretend to be a drone.
Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2004-11-09 04:48:29 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Jeriko2k3.at.yahoo.com
Like wrestling, eh? I knew there HAD to be a reason you would be this short sighted...
Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2004-11-09 04:43:00 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Best ghost ever
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2004-11-09 04:26:56 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Hidden, the thought police are starting to suspect you're starting to think for yourself again.
Submitted by coley (user info) at 2004-11-09 04:26:35 EST (#)
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hidden: HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2004-11-09 04:23:48 EST (#)
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and the Merriam-Webster Word Of The Day for today is "myopic".
Submitted by X-File (user info) at 2004-11-09 04:21:39 EST (#)
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To top the Hitler and pre-emptive strike argument off: while Hitler was Blitzkrieging his way through Europe, the United States waited until they were attacked before they send in any troops. Even though they could see what was happening overseas. Nice comparison, asshat.
Submitted by coley (user info) at 2004-11-09 04:16:49 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
P.S. I hope you aren't of voting age.
Submitted by coley (user info) at 2004-11-09 04:16:30 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
You, sir, are a moron.
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2004-11-09 04:09:20 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Saddam does not equal Hitler. Sorry but had to -2 because i'm so sick of that comparisson.